subject:"Advice Needed"

I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it  
was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150  ml) 
and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was  105.6.  I 
am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or  not.  At what point 
do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? 
 
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Leslie Lawther


*Personally, I think I would take her to the ER.  My Sarah ended up with
vision problems from a fever that high.  99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal
range.*
*Leslie =^..^=*


On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and
it was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids
(150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was
105.6.  I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not.
At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her?

Thanks,
Michelle





--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Susan Hoffman

Take her to the ER.  That's too high and it could get even higher as the night 
wears on.

Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Personally, I think I would take 
her to the ER.  My Sarah ended up with vision problems from a fever that high.  
99.5 - 102.5 are considered normal range.
  Leslie =^..^=

 
  On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I got home and 
Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and it was 105.7.  I gave 
her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice 
under her paws. I took her temp again and it was 105.6.  I am trying to figure 
out whether to take her to the ER or not.  At what point do fevers get 
dangerous? Should I take her? 
   
  Thanks,
  Michelle





-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, 
or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one 
life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Leslie Lawther


*Michelle, I looked up a few things and found this on *
http://cats.about.com/library/howto/httaketemp.htm:
*Tips:*

  1. This project will be much easier if you have someone to hold the
  cat and pet it while you lift her tail and insert the thermometer.
  2. A temperature of 105°F is a dangerous level and your cat should be
  seen by a veterinarian immediately. If it's between 103°F and 104.5°F,
  you should call your veterinarian for advice.
  3. A digital thermometer will be easier to read, and will beep when
  ready to be read.




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 I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and
it was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids
(150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it was
105.6.  I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or not.
At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her?

Thanks,
Michelle





--
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That
only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3  in  about half 
an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin.  I have been  prepared to 
take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work to go  with me (he 
is 
on way). Now that it is going down some on its own and fluids  probably have 
not really started absorbing, do you think I can wait and monitor  and see if 
it keeps going down?  Or do you think that I should go  immediately, still?
 
thanks,
Michelle

RE: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

I don't PERSONALLY  worry too much unless fever last more than a couple
of days - if the temp is below normal - it's an urgent situation and you
need to do everything you can to bring it up.. but when a temp is high,
the body is trying to fight something against and it's not necessarily a
BAD thing (in alternative medicine thinking anyway) - I have had several
cats who has had a temp over 106.5 (yes scary) - but I gave a sub q
fluid and put a cold towel around the body ---to bring it down --- there
is non steroid antinflamatory to bring the fever down.. 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leslie Lawther
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 

Personally, I think I would take her to the ER.  My Sarah ended up with
vision problems from a fever that high.  99.5 - 102.5 are considered
normal range.

Leslie =^..^=

 

On 1/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago and
it was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) and fluids
(150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp again and it
was 105.6.  I am trying to figure out whether to take her to the ER or
not.  At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should I take her? 

 

Thanks,

Michelle




-- 
Leslie =^..^=

To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden
patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.
That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. 
---Ralph Waldo Emerson

RE: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

Michelle - I say wait - there really isn't anything they can do to cure
the problem - give some time as it often times goes down.. keep her cool
--- but wait you don't want to stress her too much ..

 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 

I just took her temp again and it is down from 105.7 to 105.3  in about
half an hour. I also just gave her 1/4 baby aspirin.  I have been
prepared to take her to the ER, waiting for Gray to get home from work
to go with me (he is on way). Now that it is going down some on its own
and fluids probably have not really started absorbing, do you think I
can wait and monitor and see if it keeps going down?  Or do you think
that I should go immediately, still?

 

thanks,

Michelle

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 
I took her temp again and it is down to 105.0 (was 105.7, then 105.3) and  
she fought me this time, then ate some of her raw food afterwards (I brought it 
 
to her, she still is just laying curled up).  At this point I am going to  
wait a half hour and take it again and see if it is down more.  Over 105 is  
dangerous according to info I found on the internet, and below 104.5 can wait  
for a regular vet appointment. If it goes down below 104.5 in the next hour or  
so I think I will wait and take her to the regular vet tomorrow (monitoring 
her  temp through the night of course). If it doesn't I will take her to the 
ER. 
The  ER is 45 minutes away, though, and they always insist on keeping them 
overnight,  and she gets really stressed.  I think the plusses of going to the 
ER are  1) they can do IV fluids which are faster than sub-q, and 2) they can 
give a dex  shot, which can help bring it down fast. Everything else they would 
do I am  doing, and the sub q fluids should start absorbing.  Thank you 
everyone for  advice, and please offer more if you have it-- and tell me if you 
think I am  doing the wrong thing, please.  I am totally stressed out right 
now.  
 I am glad I did not take her to the ER right away because 1) I would still 
be in  the car and her fever would not be being treated and probably would not 
have  come down, 2) stress can actually increase fever in a cat, and 3) I am 
way to  stressed and fatigued to drive all that way at night with her screaming 
next to  me without risking an accident.  At least if her fever is not down 
in an  hour or so Gray should be home and can drive us.
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/16/2007 7:26:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle – I say wait  – there really isn’t anything they can do to cure the 
problem – give some time  as it often times goes down.. keep her cool --- but 
wait you don’t want to  stress her too much ..

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Kelly L


At 03:57 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:



Cats can easily go up to 106.5 their normal is much higher than ours, 
I do the fluids it helps so muchBe careful about  the 
Asprin..there are other meds to reduce the fever should it be 
necessary , Fluids as you have been doing are the best, The fever is 
only secondary to the other issues which are more important, Eating,, 
Peeing general lethargypain  ..those are all more critical, If it 
does not go up higher and it starts to come down I might hold off if 
there are no other symptoms. the cool wraps suggested by Hideyo are 
good also, Stress also raises the temp so be aware of putting hard 
objects in soft bottoms,, too often

Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com


Kelly

I got home and Lucy felt warm. I took her temp about 20 minutes ago 
and it was 105.7.  I gave her doxicycline (she has been on amoxi) 
and fluids (150 ml) and put some ice under her paws. I took her temp 
again and it was 105.6.  I am trying to figure out whether to take 
her to the ER or not.  At what point do fevers get dangerous? Should 
I take her?


Thanks,
Michelle
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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Do you have a home sub-q fluids set up? If so, some cool fluids might help
bring it down more. You can also wipe the foot pads with rubbing alcohol and
blow on them, the evaporation lowers the body temperature (rinse them well
with cold water after you're done, as the alcohol shouldn't be ingested). If
you have a soft ice pack, you can lay it under her body.

Personally, since she's been ill with URI, I would take her in tonight. They
could put her on IV fluids, which should help both her fever and her nasal
discharge (more fluids thins the secretions and eases congestion). Lemme
see... high fever plus UR symptoms, plus eye discharge that would lean
towards Herpes or Calici, the high fever eliminates just about everything
uncommon. Did you look in her mouth for ulcers?

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 
I gave her fluids about an hour ago and assume that is part of what is  
bringing it down.  I also have had an ice pack under her (she is on a  sleeping 
bag 
and I have it under the sleeping bag under her) for the last hour  or so.  I 
have not tried the alcohol yet.
 
How is calici treated?  
 
In a message dated 1/16/2007 8:10:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Do you have a home sub-q fluids set  up? If so, some cool fluids might help 
bring it down more. You can also wipe  the foot pads with rubbing alcohol and 
blow on them, the evaporation lowers  the body temperature (rinse them well 
with cold water after you're done, as  the alcohol shouldn't be ingested). If 
you 
have a soft ice pack, you can lay  it under her body. 
 
Personally, since she's been ill with  URI, I would take her in tonight. They 
could put her on IV fluids, which  should help both her fever and her nasal 
discharge (more fluids thins the  secretions and eases congestion). Lemme 
see... high fever plus UR symptoms,  plus eye discharge that would lean 
towards 
Herpes or Calici, the high  fever eliminates just about everything 
uncommon. Did you look in her mouth  for ulcers?

Phaewryn

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Her fever is now down to 104.5, and I realized that the ice was not cold  
through the sleeping bag so moved it above the sleeping bag next to her wrapped 
 
in a t-shirt. She ate more and seems more alert.  I am actually surprised  how 
alert she is given that her temp is still so high, though she is still  
laying in the same spot and has not moved other than to sit in a sphinx 
position  
from curled up (not a sick cat position, it's a normal position).  She  purred 
when I pet her, and when I moved the ice closer to her.  I am still  a stress 
basket, but am going to retemp her in an hour and see if it is still  going 
down steadily.  I called the ER and they said to do that and if it  stops going 
down to bring her in.
 
Michelle

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Usually just by antibiotics to kill secondary bacterial infections and any
number of things for the oral ulcers... it's the lesser of the two main
causes of URI. It usually doesn't have life-long respiratory effects like
Herpes often does. Like I said, if you can get the Feline Interferon OMEGA
(Virbagen), that's ideal, and it's been shown to resolve Stomatitis and
Calici oral ulcers completely. The worst part of the calici is the oral
ulcers, it's basically just like stomatitis, often the diagnosis is confused
between the two. If all cats that had Stomatitis were DNA tested for calici,
it's thought that upwards of 85% would be Calici positive. I'd go so far as
to say, Calici is the #2 cause of Stomatitis, behind FIV (though a majority
of FIV related Stomatitis may also be due to Calici, no studies done there
yet, I don't believe).

I'd add some extra Vitamin A into her diet, if her digestive system can
handle it. It can't hurt anything.

I have those FIV/Stomatitis Interferon Omega studies, if you're interested:
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng (slow
loading)
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng

Here's one about Calici:
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng

Here's one that's very promising, an elderly cat with FIV and Uvetis
(doesn't someone here have a cat fighting uvetis?):
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng

Here's the index of all Omega studies:
http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng
(it's even cured a case of WET FIP!)

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Yeah, you can actually put the ice right under her chest/belly, with only a
hand towel or a sweatshirt between her and the ice. I once brought a kitten
back from unconsciousness from a high fever by putting him DIRECTLY on a bag
of frozen peas. (I rotated him often though)

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 
Thanks. I don't want to stress her by looking in her mouth right now (am  
already taking temps hourly, has been half hourly), but she has not had any  
discomfort eating so I don't think she has oral ulcers. I hope not,  anyway!
 
She is having a slightly odd other symptom, though, and I can't find  
anything about it online.  Her pupils seem to be dilating and contracting  ever 
so 
slightly with each breath or heart beat, I can't tell which.  Gray  noticed it; 
it is so slight that I am not sure I would have noticed if he had  not pointed 
it out.  We can't get the other cats to hold our gaze long  enough to tell if 
theirs do it, but we don't think so.  She is not acting  like her eyes are 
bothering her. Any ideas?
 
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/16/2007 9:18:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Usually just by antibiotics to kill  secondary bacterial infections and any 
number of things for the oral ulcers...  it's the lesser of the two main causes 
of URI. It usually doesn't have  life-long respiratory effects like Herpes 
often does. Like I said, if you can  get the Feline Interferon OMEGA 
(Virbagen), 
that's ideal, and it's been shown  to resolve Stomatitis and Calici oral 
ulcers completely. The worst part of the  calici is the oral ulcers, it's 
basically just like stomatitis, often the  diagnosis is confused between the 
two. If 
all cats that had Stomatitis were  DNA tested for calici, it's thought that 
upwards of 85% would be Calici  positive. I'd go so far as to say, Calici is 
the 
#2 cause of Stomatitis,  behind FIV (though a majority of FIV related 
Stomatitis may also be due to  Calici, no studies done there yet, I don't 
believe).
 
I'd add some extra Vitamin A into her  diet, if her digestive system can 
handle it. It can't hurt  anything.
 
I have those FIV/Stomatitis Interferon  Omega studies, if you're interested:
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=99lang=eng)  (slow 
 
loading)
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=189lang=eng)  
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=96lang=eng) 
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=97lang=eng) 
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=93lang=eng) 
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=141lang=eng) 
 
Here's one about Calici:
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=188lang=eng)  
 
Here's one that's very promising, an  elderly cat with FIV and Uvetis 
(doesn't someone here have a cat fighting  uvetis?):
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=140lang=eng)  
 
Here's the index of all Omega  studies:
_http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng_ 
(http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/reports.php?site=interferonlang=eng) 
 
(it's even cured a case of WET  FIP!)

Phaewryn

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

pupils contracting with heartbeat? humm... well, glaucoma comes to mind, and
high blood pressure. But that's just my first thoughts, not based on
anything I've heard of specifically.. let me see what I can come up with...
I went to take a shower, that's why I was gone for a while..

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her head  
against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her nose is cold an 
wet,  
and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the other ear, oddly enough, is 
still  very hot.  not sure what is going on, but am relieved she is improving,  
knock on wood.
 
Thanks for all your support,
Michelle

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone that has an eye has
it to an extent. The are conditions where it's off balance or too fast or
too slow... here's what I found online:

A good understanding of what affects pupil size is important in those
unusual cases. First, the pupil is not a thing. It is an empty hole in
the center of the iris. The iris, which forms the pupil, consists of a layer
of cells containing the pigment melanin, which blocks the light, and two
sets of muscles. A ring shaped muscle called the sphincter closes the pupil,
and a radial set of muscle fibers called the dilator opens it. Primary input
to the sphincter is from the parasympathetic (relaxing) branch of the
autonomic nervous system, whereas the dilator is controlled by the
sympathetic branch (fighting). Pupil size is primarily determined by the
balance between actions of the two branches of the autonomic nervous system.
The most important factor that affects pupil size is light. When light is
detected by the photoreceptors in the eyes, information is sent via the
optic nerve and tract to nuclei in the mid-brain and then on to the
Edinger-Wesphal nucleus. Signals to the dilator and sphincter muscles are
generated as a result to activity in this nucleus, but other sources of
neural innervation beyond those produced by light can also alter activity in
this nucleus.

Because the coordination required to keep the two systems in balance is not
perfect, the pupil is in a constant state of unrest. This is called hippus
or pupillary athetosis. Normal hippus is difficult to detect, but
exaggerated hippus can result from various pathological states including
drug intoxication. It is well known that cocaine affects the sympathetic
nervous system and causes dilation, whereas the narcotic analgesics affect
the parasympathetic system and cause constriction.

Rhythmic pupillary dilation coincident with the pulse suggests aortic
insufficiency (Landolfi's sign).

LANDOLFI'S SIGN: in aortic regurgitation, systolic contraction and diastolic
dilation of the pupil



The only reference to hippus in felines I could find is that it's often a
result of epilepsy and seizure... and high fevers can cause seizure...

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Kelly L


At 07:26 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:


great...great..remember that a fever is natures way of killing 
unwanted guests, Certain bacteria and virus's have a narrow temp 
range so was the body heats up many little bugs die, Fevers in them 
selves are not dangerous unless they are outrageously high.
Fluids are always my stand by for a cat that will not eat, a cat with 
a URI...loosens secretions and keeps the rest of the body functioning 
well and great for general comfort,,Good kidney function, flushes 
toxins,,etc

So good to hear
Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com





Well, her temp just read 102.5, and she ate more and is rubbing her 
head against me and purring, got up and used the litter box. her 
nose is cold an wet, and one ear has cooled down to normal, but the 
other ear, oddly enough, is still very hot.  not sure what is going 
on, but am relieved she is improving, knock on wood.


Thanks for all your support,
Michelle
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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Good, glad she is better! High fevers can be really miserable! Especially
when you feel bad to begin with!

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Thanks, Phaerwyn. That sounds scary. I am not sure what to think. It is not
very exaggerated, but it does seem to happen with her pulse.

In a message dated 1/16/2007 10:34:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Rhythmic pupil dilation is called hippus, and everyone that has an eye has
it to an extent. The are conditions where it's off balance or too fast or too
slow... here's what I found online:

A good understanding of what affects pupil size is important in those
unusual cases. First, the pupil is not a thing. It is an empty hole in the
center of the iris. The iris, which forms the pupil, consists of a layer of
cells
containing the pigment melanin, which blocks the light, and two sets of
muscles. A ring shaped muscle called the sphincter closes the pupil, and a
radial
set of muscle fibers called the dilator opens it. Primary input to the
sphincter is from the parasympathetic (relaxing) branch of the autonomic
nervous
system, whereas the dilator is controlled by the sympathetic branch
(fighting). Pupil size is primarily

determined by the balance between actions of the two branches of the
autonomic nervous system.

The most important factor that affects pupil size is light. When light is
detected by the photoreceptors in the eyes, information is sent via the optic
nerve and tract to nuclei in the mid-brain and then on to the Edinger-Wesphal
nucleus. Signals to the dilator and sphincter muscles are generated as a
result to activity in this nucleus, but other sources of neural innervation
beyond those produced by light can also alter activity in this nucleus.
Because the coordination required to keep the two systems in balance is not
perfect, the pupil is in a constant state of unrest. This is called hippus or
_pupillary athetosis_
(http://www.mercksource.com/pp/us/cns/cns_hl_dorlands.jspzQzpgzEzzSzppdocszSzuszSzcommonzSzdorlandszSzdorlandzSzdmd_a_70zPzhtm#1216690
9) . Normal hippus is difficult to detect, but exaggerated hippus can result
from various pathological states including drug intoxication. It is well
known that cocaine affects the sympathetic nervous system and causes dilation,
whereas the narcotic analgesics affect the parasympathetic system and cause
constriction.
Rhythmic pupillary dilation coincident with the pulse suggests aortic
insufficiency (Landolfi's sign).

LANDOLFI'S SIGN: in aortic regurgitation, systolic contraction and diastolic
dilation of the pupil

The only reference to hippus in felines I could find is that it's often a
result of epilepsy and seizure... and high fevers can cause seizure...

Phaewryn

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Kelly is absolutely right, you should see her body's temperature as a sign
that her body is functioning as designed, as we were just discussing the
possibility of secondary bacterial infections... perhaps she just killed it
all herself! The only bad thing about fever is when it gets too high, it can
cause seizures and organ failure. Plus, it makes them feel bad, and they
will go off their food, and not drink enough. But no, a fever in itself is
not a bad thing, as Kelly pointed out; in fact, it's probably EXACTLY what
her body needed to kill off those secondary bacteria from her URI.

Thanks for pointing that out Kelly, you are absolutely right! (and it had
not occurred to me)

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Phaerwyn, given what you found about rhythmic pupil dilation, do you think  I 
should be worried about that? If her fever is down in the morning do you 
think  I should take her in to the vet to check that out?

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye
to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a
problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time.

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Anna

is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
  Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

  Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye to 
have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a problem, 
you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. 

  Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Anna

well guess what ?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anna 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM
  Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


  is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an eye 
to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a 
problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. 

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Anna

god bye.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anna 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM
  Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


  well guess what ?
- Original Message - 
From: Anna 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
  Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed


  Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with an 
eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of whack that it's a 
problem, you may just be noticing her normal hippus for the first time. 

  Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Gloria Lane

Anna, you had several very nice replies to your question, which and  
some good suggestions...  You have to look at the subject of the  
message, and follow that thread, to see your replies.  Hope your  
kitty is doing better, we all understand and sympathize.


Gloria



On Jan 16, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Anna wrote:


god bye.
- Original Message -
From: Anna
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

well guess what ?
- Original Message -
From: Anna
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

is my email/replies getting to this email/group 
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

Well, some of the websites I read say it's normal for everyone with  
an eye to have some degree of hippus, it's when it goes out of  
whack that it's a problem, you may just be noticing her normal  
hippus for the first time.


Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

No, I don't think it's anything to worry about. Just watch her for other
signs of seizures, or for other eye symptoms. Sorry I disappeared again, was
doing dishes. Try touching the outside of her eyelid, just put your thumb
over it and put a very light pressure on her eyeball through her eyelid (she
should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light pressure gets a pain
response (screams, swats at you, growls, hisses), then I'd take her in, if
she just pulls back annoyed, I wouldn't worry. Just watch for pain and signs
of her losing her vision. Like, for example if she doesn't close her eye as
your thumb approaches... she might not be seeing it. But, you might want to
take her in anyways, if you need antibiotics for the URI. I'd probably take
the wait and see approach though, if she's not improving by Friday, take her
in before the weekend. Do you have more than one ice pack? If so, I'd leave
one out for her as an option to lay on if she wants to. When that one
defrosts, replace it with another, and put that one in the freezer, you
know? Cats will seek out what feels good to them, if her fever comes back
while you are asleep, if she has a cold place to lay down, she probably will
lay there.

Phaewryn

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Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

 
Thanks everyone.  I think I did not have the thermometer in far enough  the 
last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems better not worse, so  I 
think the lower reading was wrong. But she is acting almost normal now. ate a 
 lot, came to lay with me, purring etc.  Sorry for all the emails. I  
appreciate the support and advice.
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/16/2007 11:53:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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eyelid (she should close her eye as your thumb approaches. If light  pressure 
gets a pain response

Re: urgent-- fever advice needed

2007-01-16 Thread Kelly L


At 09:21 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:

Be nice...give her a break from temps. We only take patients temps 
every 4 hours at the most.
Look at the kitty...not the numbers.. Sort of like we say at work, 
Look at the patient not the machines,

So glad she is feeling better, Eating is a much better indication,
Kelly


Thanks everyone.  I think I did not have the thermometer in far 
enough the last time, because her temp is now 103.6, and she seems 
better not worse, so I think the lower reading was wrong. But she is 
acting almost normal now. ate a lot, came to lay with me, purring 
etc.  Sorry for all the emails. I appreciate the support and advice.

Michelle

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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-07-01 Thread catatonya

Good news that your father is handling this well and the other problems are working out. Plumbing, etc... problems always come at the most inoportune times.Tell your day you spell it tires now with no y since you're in the u.s. lol.tKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks so much Tonya! (tried to email you directly as sooo o/t but non possibile--apologies to all) My dad is just extraordinary---he has been diagnosed as having stage 4 cancer (terminal; no treatment) but he's carrying on with a more or less normal life...a friend who called me while I was in Scotland to ask how he was was as amazed
by my reply asI was after I popped my head out the door: "Well, right now, he's changing tractor tyres"! He's never once complained (and in fact his standard reply when anyone asks how he is, is what it's pretty well been all his life: "no complaints"!). But he's not in denial--he knows exactly the score: he floored me (and I'm sure all of us around the table) when he commented matter-of-factly last week "while I'm still able to eat, I'd really like to taste a lobster". Needless to say my sisters are now all scrabbling to organise a lobster feast. Thanks for the good Danny advice--I hadn't thought of crate--will pass to B. Plumbing pretty well resolved, tho found (in time) another potentially ghastly leak today--fortunately there was already a container in place. Teeth also fixed so I don't scare the horses any more. Well, maybe I do, but not for that reason.
Thanks again for your good wishes Tonya! hugs, Kerry- Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:49 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice neededGosh Kerry! How is your father on top of everything else? I think of you often.As far as the cat spraying, I would
recommend she start over and crate the cat for a while so the 2 can get used to each other more gradually. Then let it have a small room like a bathroom, etc. If it sprays it goes back into the crate.. etc Is the cat neutered?Also I'd try the feliway dispensers. And if none of that shows promise I'd try the kitty prozac ( I don't remember what it's called.)Good luck with everything. Plumbing problems suck. I had that blue poly that was recalled at my old house and had several major floods until I replumbed the entire house. tonya

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-27 Thread Marylyn




Any type saw will work with a blade for 
plastic. The hole may not be pretty but it works/worked fine for my girls 
and guy. Re the bed -- try spraying the bed with Feliway. Originally 
it was advertised to stop such behavior. 






 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:57 
AM
  Subject: Re: o/t advice needed
  
  My vet uses a dremel to cut the openings. I've tried and I'm not 
  too good with a dremel. lol. But since we moved I haven't had any 
  problems with spraying. I guess because there's more 
  room. Sneaker still pees on the bed and sofa 
  though.. ugh.
  tMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Try 
the 18 quart Rubber maid box or a knock off. They are so high the cat 
can't overspray. you may need to cut out a small piece for a "doorway" 
but cut it high to help with the kicking out of litter. They work and, 
at $4 or so, are a lot cheaper than most litter boxes. The bottoms are 
not flat but I have no problem cleaning them with a metal 
scope.If you have men who will exclude any 
of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you will 
have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. 
Francis- Original Message - From: "Kerry MacKenzie" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, 
June 21, 2006 11:38 PMSubject: Re: o/t advice needed 
You're right--great value. I bought one of these for Tiger but it was 
no good for him--he just went to the end and continued to pee over 
the side! Now, for him, I use the highest regular litter box I can 
get, with lid (never been able to find *long* one with lid). 
- Original Message - From: "Nina" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice 
needed Kerry, It sounds like space 
is an issue for your friend, but I've bought those big tubs they 
sell at Home Depot for mixing small batches of cement to use as 
litterboxes when aversion is a problem. They're really cheap and 
most cats like the added space they afford. 
Nina Marylyn 
wrote:  Please tell her the Rubbermaid or 
generic is a lot less expensive than  regular litter 
boxes. 
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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-26 Thread Belinda

  Also I'd try the feliway dispensers.  And if none of that shows 
promise I'd try the kitty prozac ( I don't remember what it's called.)  



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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-25 Thread ETrent





What an incredible man your father is! I really admire his courage 
and character.

elizabeth

In a message dated 6/25/2006 12:05:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Thanks so much Tonya!
  (tried to email you directly as sooo o/t but non 
  possibile--apologies to all)
  My dad is just extraordinary---he has been diagnosed as 
  having stage 4 cancer (terminal; no treatment) but he's carrying on with a 
  more or less normal life...a friend who called me while I was in Scotland to 
  ask how he was was as amazed by my reply asI was after I popped my head 
  out the door: "Well, right now, he's changing tractor tyres"! He's never once 
  complained (and in fact his standard reply when anyone asks how he is, is what 
  it's pretty well been all his life: "no complaints"!). But he's not in 
  denial--he knows exactly the score: he floored me (and I'm sure all of us 
  around the table) when he commented matter-of-factly last week "while I'm 
  still able to eat, I'd really like to taste a lobster".
  Needless to say my sisters are now all scrabbling to 
  organise a lobster feast.
  Thanks for the good Danny advice--I hadn't thought of 
  crate--will pass to B. 
  Plumbing pretty well resolved, tho found (in time) another 
  potentially ghastly leak today--fortunately there was already a container in 
  place. Teeth also fixed so I don't scare the horses any more. Well, maybe I 
  do, but not for that reason.
  Thanks again for your good wishes Tonya!
  hugs, Kerry
  
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
catatonya 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:49 
PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

Gosh Kerry! How is your father on top of everything else? I 
think of you often.

As far as the cat spraying, I would recommend she start over and 
crate the cat for a while so the 2 can get used to each other more 
gradually. Then let it have a small room like a bathroom, etc. If 
it sprays it goes back into the crate.. etc Is the cat neutered?

Also I'd try the feliway dispensers. And if none of that shows 
promise I'd try the kitty prozac ( I don't remember what it's called.)

Good luck with everything. Plumbing problems suck. I had that 
blue poly that was recalled at my old house and had several major floods 
until I replumbed the entire house.
tonya

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-25 Thread catatonya

My vet uses a dremel to cut the openings. I've tried and I'm not too good with a dremel. lol. But since we moved I haven't had any problems with spraying. I guess because there's more room. Sneaker still pees on the bed and sofa though.. ugh. tMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try the 18 quart Rubber maid box or a knock off. They are so high the cat can't overspray. you may need to cut out a small piece for a "doorway" but cut it high to help with the kicking out of litter. They work and, at $4 or so, are a lot cheaper than most litter boxes. The bottoms are not flat but I have no problem cleaning them with a metal scope.If you have men who will exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and
pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "Kerry MacKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:38 PMSubject: Re: o/t advice needed You're right--great value. I bought one of these for Tiger but it was no good for him--he just went to the end and continued to pee over the side! Now, for him, I use the highest regular litter box I can get, with lid (never been able to find *long* one with lid). - Original Message - From: "Nina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: o/t advice needed Kerry, It sounds like space is an issue for your friend, but I've bought those big tubs they sell at Home Depot for mixing small
batches of cement to use as litterboxes when aversion is a problem. They're really cheap and most cats like the added space they afford. Nina Marylyn wrote: Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than regular litter boxes. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-24 Thread catatonya

Gosh Kerry! How is your father on top of everything else? I think of you often.As far as the cat spraying, I would recommend she start over and crate the cat for a while so the 2 can get used to each other more gradually. Then let it have a small room like a bathroom, etc. If it sprays it goes back into the crate.. etc Is the cat neutered?Also I'd try the feliway dispensers. And if none of that shows promise I'd try the kitty prozac ( I don't remember what it's called.)Good luck with everything. Plumbing problems suck. I had that blue poly that was recalled at my old house and had several major floods until I replumbed the entire house. tonyaKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi
allI'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again mycondolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along with myheartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.I've come back to discover a friend, B, throwing her hands up in despairover her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his guardian, aneighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that she'shad for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would getalong. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly sothey were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and sprayingeverywhere it seems.Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what she'ssaid that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very gratefulfor any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my ownresearch but I've come back to a
plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear maybe on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.)Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-24 Thread Kerry MacKenzie




Thanks so much Tonya!
(tried to email you directly as sooo o/t but non 
possibile--apologies to all)
My dad is just extraordinary---he has been diagnosed as having 
stage 4 cancer (terminal; no treatment) but he's carrying on with a more or less 
normal life...a friend who called me while I was in Scotland to ask how he was 
was as amazed by my reply asI was after I popped my head out the door: 
"Well, right now, he's changing tractor tyres"! He's never once complained (and 
in fact his standard reply when anyone asks how he is, is what it's pretty well 
been all his life: "no complaints"!). But he's not in denial--he knows exactly 
the score: he floored me (and I'm sure all of us around the table) when he 
commented matter-of-factly last week "while I'm still able to eat, I'd really 
like to taste a lobster".
Needless to say my sisters are now all scrabbling to organise 
a lobster feast.
Thanks for the good Danny advice--I hadn't thought of 
crate--will pass to B. 
Plumbing pretty well resolved, tho found (in time) another 
potentially ghastly leak today--fortunately there was already a container in 
place. Teeth also fixed so I don't scare the horses any more. Well, maybe I do, 
but not for that reason.
Thanks again for your good wishes Tonya!
hugs, Kerry

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  catatonya 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:49 
  PM
  Subject: Re: o/t advice needed
  
  Gosh Kerry! How is your father on top of everything else? I 
  think of you often.
  
  As far as the cat spraying, I would recommend she start over and 
  crate the cat for a while so the 2 can get used to each other more gradually. 
  Then let it have a small room like a bathroom, etc. If it sprays it 
  goes back into the crate.. etc Is the cat neutered?
  
  Also I'd try the feliway dispensers. And if none of that shows 
  promise I'd try the kitty prozac ( I don't remember what it's called.)
  
  Good luck with everything. Plumbing problems suck. I had that blue 
  poly that was recalled at my old house and had several major floods until I 
  replumbed the entire house.
  tonya

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-23 Thread Kerry MacKenzie

wow, great, novel idea--thanks Kiley!
- Original Message -
From: Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

 Kerry,
 I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful as
my
 younger kitties, but it's worth a try.  When I was introducing my two
 kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied together with a
 ribbon.  I put the ribbon under a shut door with one cat in each room and
 one toy on each side.  Every time one kitty would grab a mouse it would
make
 the other mouse move.  It really helped my cats get used to eachother,
 without the intimidation of being face to face.  If your friend has a toy
 that she knows kitty really likes, it might be enough to entice her to
play
 and it sounds like Danny is desperate for some feline comanionship.
 Kiley

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-23 Thread Marylyn

Even if that doesn't work, you might consider putting out some good quality 
(not the Wal-Mart type that has been around forever) catnip for both cats. 
It might mellow them out.   Mime have always liked the plants (readily 
available in the herb sections of most garden centers).  You can clip the 
leaves and dry them too. Places that have bulk herbs usually have catnip 
too.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kiley Dozier-Bosanko [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Kerry,
I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful as 
my younger kitties, but it's worth a try.  When I was introducing my two 
kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied together with a 
ribbon.  I put the ribbon under a shut door with one cat in each room and 
one toy on each side.  Every time one kitty would grab a mouse it would 
make the other mouse move.  It really helped my cats get used to 
eachother, without the intimidation of being face to face.  If your friend 
has a toy that she knows kitty really likes, it might be enough to entice 
her to play and it sounds like Danny is desperate for some feline 
comanionship.

Kiley


From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:33:04 -0500

Thanks Nina!--that's what i wanted to hear before I give B my 2 cents 
worth

(re the boxes). Yes, she has always been very dedicated to Kitty, so i
really hope she perseveres with Danny. It was her mention of giving it a
month that sent shivers down my spine when i got back.  And lost me no 
time
in directing the prob to the wonderful list. I hope now that she feels 
she's
getting all this wonderful info and support she'll keep ploughing on. 
Kerry

- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


 Hey Kerry,
 Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound
 like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and
 Kitty in making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's
 still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes
 though!  I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't
 have to be nervous about using her litterbox).  I've been known to
 strewn them all over the house.  I've found that if someone is having
 accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near
 the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her
 to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of
 events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened
 to her before she adjusted to her new brother.
 Hugs,
 Nina

 Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

 A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.
 
 








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Re: o/t advice needed (catnip, and other good all natural cat products)

2006-06-23 Thread felv

I sell GOOD organic catnip... if anyone needs any. It's a good sized bag.. I 
usually
sell them for $5.00 each ($5.50 if paying by paypal, to cover the fees) shipping
included. All profits go to my rescue efforts. I also sell Beastie Bands cat
collars,the safest, most comfortable cat collars on earth.
http://ucat.us/beastiebands/shop.html

I hope my posting that isn't against list rules...

If anyone knows of any GOOD quality organic and/or all natural cat products, 
like
homeopathies, supplements, etc, that might sale to a buyer wholesale (or at 
least
give me a rescue price break), please let me know, as my friend Janet is 
re-opening
her shop (a fire destroyed her entire business over a year ago) and she's 
allowing me
a space to sell cat stuff to profit my rescue. She only wants good, natural 
stuff,
that is really something she can stand behind.

Phaewryn

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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-22 Thread Marylyn

I may have misread but I thought I saw that a litter box and food was in the 
same room for Kitty.  In either case, cats don't like to eat too close to a 
litter box (would you want to eat close to an outhouse??)


My Kitty had to adjust when Dixie Louise moved in.  They work it out. 
Luckily both of them have excellent manners.


I agree with the post using containers for mixing cement or anything that 
adds space to a litter box.  That is why I use the Rubber Maid boxes (plus 
the height which is very helpful with older or male cats).  I haven't seen 
the cement boxes but will check them out.






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exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
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Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



thank you thank you again Marylyn. A Q--


Kitty may not like her litter box in the same area as her litter box

unless this
has always been the setup

did you mean as Danny's litter box (Danny only arived a couple of weeks
ago)---just want to clarify before I fwd to B! thanks, Kerry




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From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



I would put the litter boxes as far away from each other as possible.

Kitty
may not like her litter box in the same area as her litter box unless 
this

has always been the setup.  I strongly urge the use of Feliway.  Some of

the

larger stores carry it and a lot of vets do.  I have never had any luck

with

the kind you plug in, just the spray on.








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From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.
 Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest

tips

 from you wonderful people).
 D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a 
 different

 room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.)
 Many thanks to everyone again.
 Kerry


 Hi Kerry,

 Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good
 advice?!
 This is wonderful.

 So far I've done
 Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw;

15

 minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or

watching

 TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name.  He also knows

when

 he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on

the

 dining table.  Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark,
 quiet
 corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where

he

 can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every

inch

 of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and

watch

 the birds.  He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for

food

 when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the
 living
 room in the morning (this time is just for him).  Meowing for treats 
 and

 food when I get home from work.

 Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to
 her
 as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as

possible.

 She get holistic animal medical drops Jealousy in her water. She has
 retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring

her

 into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with
 her.
 She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near

her

 (she has never allowed any other cat near her).  If Danny comes near,

she
 gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching. 
 Danny

 is
 confused by this.  He wants to make contact and, I think, play.  She is
 afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around.  I will not put 
 her

 litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate
 everything!  Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she 
 constantly

 tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants.
 Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny.

 I will use the other tips

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-22 Thread Marylyn

You can put the lids on but no cat I have had liked having an enclosed 
litter box.  Keeps the odors in and I think makes them feel trapped (many of 
my cats started life on the streets and that may influence their feelings).







If you have men who will 
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from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Are these lid-less, Marylyn? (She may feel safer with lids)
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From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than
regular litter boxes.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis
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From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


 Hey Kerry,
 Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound

like

 his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty

in

 making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being
 stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though!  I'd go
 out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be

nervous
 about using her litterbox).  I've been known to strewn them all over 
 the

 house.  I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially
 motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up

using

 it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty
 very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she 
 dashed

 out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her

new

 brother.
 Hugs,
 Nina

 Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.






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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-22 Thread Marylyn

Try the 18 quart Rubber maid box or a knock off.  They are so high the cat 
can't overspray.  you may need to cut out a small piece for a doorway but 
cut it high to help with the kicking out of litter.  They work and, at $4 or 
so, are a lot cheaper than most litter boxes.  The bottoms are not flat but 
I have no problem cleaning them with a metal scope.







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from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
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From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



You're right--great value. I bought one of these for Tiger but it was no
good for him--he just went to the end and continued to pee over the side!
Now, for him, I use the highest regular litter box I can get, with lid
(never been able to find *long* one with lid).
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Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Kerry,
It sounds like space is an issue for your friend, but I've bought those
big tubs they sell at Home Depot for mixing small batches of cement to
use as litterboxes when aversion is a problem.  They're really cheap and
most cats like the added space they afford.
Nina


Marylyn wrote:

 Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than
 regular litter boxes.









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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-22 Thread gwork

Yes, I have experienced this (not liking an enclosed box) some, too.  Not 
all of my cats, but particularly Spaz.  For me, having the high walls also 
encouraged them (the males) to go on ahead and spray even more.  My cats 
have been FAR less likely to spray (except for the Spaz issue) if the box is 
not near any wall of any kind (hard to do sometimes, for sure!).

Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
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From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


You can put the lids on but no cat I have had liked having an enclosed 
litter box.  Keeps the odors in and I think makes them feel trapped (many 
of my cats started life on the streets and that may influence their 
feelings).







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
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From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Are these lid-less, Marylyn? (She may feel safer with lids)
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than
regular litter boxes.






 If you have men who 
will

exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis
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From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


 Hey Kerry,
 Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound

like

 his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty

in

 making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being
 stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though!  I'd 
 go

 out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be

nervous
 about using her litterbox).  I've been known to strewn them all over 
 the

 house.  I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially
 motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up

using
 it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her to watch her geriatric 
 Kitty
 very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she 
 dashed

 out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her

new

 brother.
 Hugs,
 Nina

 Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.






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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-22 Thread Kiley Dozier-Bosanko


Kerry,
I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful as my 
younger kitties, but it's worth a try.  When I was introducing my two 
kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied together with a 
ribbon.  I put the ribbon under a shut door with one cat in each room and 
one toy on each side.  Every time one kitty would grab a mouse it would make 
the other mouse move.  It really helped my cats get used to eachother, 
without the intimidation of being face to face.  If your friend has a toy 
that she knows kitty really likes, it might be enough to entice her to play 
and it sounds like Danny is desperate for some feline comanionship.

Kiley


From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:33:04 -0500

Thanks Nina!--that's what i wanted to hear before I give B my 2 cents worth
(re the boxes). Yes, she has always been very dedicated to Kitty, so i
really hope she perseveres with Danny. It was her mention of giving it a
month that sent shivers down my spine when i got back.  And lost me no time
in directing the prob to the wonderful list. I hope now that she feels she's
getting all this wonderful info and support she'll keep ploughing on. Kerry
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From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


 Hey Kerry,
 Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound
 like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and
 Kitty in making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's
 still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes
 though!  I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't
 have to be nervous about using her litterbox).  I've been known to
 strewn them all over the house.  I've found that if someone is having
 accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near
 the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her
 to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of
 events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened
 to her before she adjusted to her new brother.
 Hugs,
 Nina

 Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

 A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-22 Thread Nina


Kiley!  What a great idea!  Thanks I'll be using that one for sure.
Nina

Kiley Dozier-Bosanko wrote:


Kerry,
I'm not sure if this will work because Kitty probably isn't as playful 
as my younger kitties, but it's worth a try.  When I was introducing 
my two kitties I made a toy out of two catnip scented mice tied 
together with a ribbon.  I put the ribbon under a shut door with one 
cat in each room and one toy on each side.  Every time one kitty would 
grab a mouse it would make the other mouse move.  It really helped my 
cats get used to eachother, without the intimidation of being face to 
face.  If your friend has a toy that she knows kitty really likes, it 
might be enough to entice her to play and it sounds like Danny is 
desperate for some feline comanionship.

Kiley

Re: o/t advice needed

Thank you Moonvine---have fwded on. I hadn't thought about the box numbers.
You guys are great!
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

 She needs to have one litterbox per cat, plus one, which would be 3
 for 2 cats.  Basically she may have to wait since she could not do a
 slow introduction.

 I know some of my friends who do fostering have cats who are on meds
 for anxiety, which seems to help with this issue.  I have mixed
 feelings about cats being on anxiety meds.

 - Original Message -
 From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:08 pm
 Subject: o/t advice needed
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  Hi all
  I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once
  again my
  condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids,
  along with my
  heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.
  I've come back to discover a friend, B,  throwing her hands up in
  despairover her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as
  his guardian, a
  neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat
  that she's
  had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two
  would get
  along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced
  slowly so
  they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and
  sprayingeverywhere it seems.
  Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from
  what she's
  said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very
  gratefulfor any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the
  archives and do my own
  research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I
  fear may
  be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.)
  Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry

Re: o/t advice needed

Thanks Marylyn. Have passed on all yr great advice. Will let you all know
how things go. Yes, both cats are very very confused right now. But I feel
most for poor Danny.
It makes me so mad that nursing homes don't take pets. (I believe a rare few
do.)
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From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

 My first thought is to try Feliway spray.  It helps a lot.  Then put
Rescue
 Remedy in their water.  Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo Ban.
 He is just trying to claim some space for himself.  Can you imagine how
 awful and abandoned he feels?  How very alone?  He doesn't understand what
 has happened to his person and why he is in  this situation and whether it
 is a home for life or he will be thrown out again
He
 is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product I
 have found that really works on cat urine.  Make sure there are at least
two
 litter boxes.  Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon
 Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a doorway in it so Danny has plenty of high
 walls to spray.  Don't put the lid on it though.  Make sure each cat is
 getting attention separately and has his own food bowl.  Given the stress
 this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should
 seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it
that
 helps.  Danny needs a special place of his own to hide.  Again, if there
is
 little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it.
Cut
 a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high.  The objective is
to
 give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible.  By
 cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize
 that space.  Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in
 and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway).  Other
 ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as
a
 regular vet.

 It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI.
A
 vet checkup is not a bad idea.

 Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat
is
 under too.  Some of the above may help it.

 Good luck.  It sounds like you can use some.

  If you have men who will
 exclude any of God's creatures
  from the shelter of
 compassion and pity, you will have men who
  will deal likewise with
 their fellow man.
   St.
 Francis
 - Original Message -
 From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM
 Subject: o/t advice needed

  Hi all
  I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my
  condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along with
  my
  heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.
  I've come back to discover a friend, B,  throwing her hands up in
despair
  over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his guardian,
a
  neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that
she's
  had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get
  along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly
so
  they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and
spraying
  everywhere it seems.
  Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what
she's
  said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very
grateful
  for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my
  own
  research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear
  may
  be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.)
  Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry

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Re: o/t advice needed

Thanks Phaewryn--
The tooth was already a temporary one (put in 4 years ago) that had
decided to choose this weekend to make a break for it. The nerve had been
taken out 20 years ago so fortunately no pain. So plenty of empathy to spare
for poor Danny--it's time that's been the problem. Dentist did another temp
fix last night and further work tomorrow. Taking more time off work just
what I need (not) after 5 weeks off already!
 Yikes! Sounds like more than I could handle all own it's own, without
trying to help
 the neighbor's cat! Is the tooth falling out painful, and can it be
re-attached
 tomorrow at the dentists?

 Ever consider maybe your teeth are falling out from all the STRESS in your
daily life
 Kerry? ;-)


 Phaewryn

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Re: o/t advice needed

Another excellent idea that I'd not thought of. Thanks Kris!
- Original Message -
From: gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

 I agree also, especially about the stress on the cat and his need for
 attention and space of his own.  If it is possible, sometimes it helps to
 have the litter boxes separate from each other, so that one cat can more
so
 have his own box.

 Kris
 http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:14 AM
 Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

  Hi Kerry,

  I agree with the advice from Marylyn, but want to add -
  If there is any way to get some of the bedding or clothes
  from Danny's original owner to put in the dark cubby, that
  may help him adjust and settle in too.

  Kat (Mew Jersey)

  PS
  I'm keeping you in my prayers too, and
  sending gentle, soothing, stress-free vibes.

  On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Marylyn wrote:

  Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:47:32 -0500
  From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

  My first thought is to try Feliway spray.  It helps a lot.  Then put
  Rescue
  Remedy in their water.  Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo
  Ban.
  He is just trying to claim some space for himself.  Can you imagine how
  awful and abandoned he feels?  How very alone?  He doesn't understand
  what
  has happened to his person and why he is in  this situation and whether
  it
  is a home for life or he will be thrown out again
  He
  is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only
product
  I
  have found that really works on cat urine.  Make sure there are at
least
  two
  litter boxes.  Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18
gallon
  Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a doorway in it so Danny has plenty of
  high
  walls to spray.  Don't put the lid on it though.  Make sure each cat is
  getting attention separately and has his own food bowl.  Given the
stress
  this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should
  seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it
  that
  helps.  Danny needs a special place of his own to hide.  Again, if
there
  is
  little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it.
  Cut
  a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high.  The objective
is
  to
  give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible.  By
  cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you
maximize
  that space.  Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury
in
  and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway).
Other
  ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well
as
  a
  regular vet.

  It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a
UTI.
  A
  vet checkup is not a bad idea.

  Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that
cat
  is
  under too.  Some of the above may help it.

  Good luck.  It sounds like you can use some.

   If you have men who
will
  exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of
  compassion and pity, you will have men who
   will deal likewise
with
  their fellow man.
St.
  Francis
  - Original Message -
  From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM
  Subject: o/t advice needed

   Hi all
   I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again
my
   condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along
   with
   my
   heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.
   I've come back to discover a friend, B,  throwing her hands up in
   despair
   over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his
   guardian, a
   neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that
   she's
   had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would
   get
   along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced
slowly
   so
   they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and
   spraying
   everywhere it seems.
   Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what
   she's
   said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very
   grateful
   for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do
my
   own
   research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I
fear
   may
   be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.)
   Thanks

Re: o/t advice needed




Thanks for that Nina. I really hope she does/tries this. Will 
keep you all posted. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:05 
  PM
  Subject: Re: o/t advice needed
  Kerry,However small B's, dwelling space is, she 
  should have a bathroom. Tell her to make it comfortable for Danny's in 
  there, (the suggestion of a piece of clothing belonging to his former mistress 
  as bedding is a very good one). Keep food and water down, (as far away 
  from the litter box as she can). If she can rig the "high walled" litter 
  box, he might prefer it. She needs to give him a space of his own until 
  he can adjust to his new circumstances. She should visit him in there, 
  but not be pushy with him. Just go in with a book and sit on the floor 
  and read near him. Talk softly and convince him that he is welcome and 
  that none of this is his fault. He'll be much more likely to use the 
  litterbox, (and get used to using the litter box) if he feels safe and it's 
  convenient. Not to mention, it will be the most desirable place for him 
  to go in a small space. Lastly, she should reassure "her" cat that this 
  will in no way infringe on how she treats or feels about him. When 
  things calm down, she should shut her cat in the bedroom and allow Danny, 
  under supervision to make excursions into the rest of her apt. He may 
  not want to venture out at first, that's okay, just leave the door open for 
  him and let him take his time. After a while, put Danny back in the 
  bathroom with a treat and cuddle time, (if he wants it), and release the other 
  cat. She can also switch Danny to the bedroom and allow her other cat to 
  explore Danny's bathroom, (when he's not in it). This way they can get 
  used to each other's scent's and territory. I understand that some 
  people think this sort of thing is a bother, but it's so much better than 
  having your apt sprayed with urine, or having to find another home for poor 
  Danny. It won't go on forever and she'll be doing everyone a tremendous 
  favor by letting them take things in their own time and pace. Wish her 
  luck from me and tell her thank you for taking Danny in.I'll talk to 
  you soon about your hectic life! Nina B already has one 
  cat that she's had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two 
  would get along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced 
  slowly so they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and 
  spraying everywhere it seems.

Re: o/t advice needed

Wonderful idea Kat-thankyou!
- Original Message -
From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

 Hi Kerry,

 I agree with the advice from Marylyn, but want to add -
 If there is any way to get some of the bedding or clothes
 from Danny's original owner to put in the dark cubby, that
 may help him adjust and settle in too.

 Kat (Mew Jersey)

 PS
 I'm keeping you in my prayers too, and
 sending gentle, soothing, stress-free vibes.

 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Marylyn wrote:

  Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:47:32 -0500
  From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

  My first thought is to try Feliway spray.  It helps a lot.  Then put
Rescue
  Remedy in their water.  Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo
Ban.
  He is just trying to claim some space for himself.  Can you imagine how
  awful and abandoned he feels?  How very alone?  He doesn't understand
what
  has happened to his person and why he is in  this situation and whether
it
  is a home for life or he will be thrown out again
He
  is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product
I
  have found that really works on cat urine.  Make sure there are at least
two
  litter boxes.  Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon
  Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a doorway in it so Danny has plenty of
high
  walls to spray.  Don't put the lid on it though.  Make sure each cat is
  getting attention separately and has his own food bowl.  Given the
stress
  this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should
  seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it
that
  helps.  Danny needs a special place of his own to hide.  Again, if there
is
  little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it.
Cut
  a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high.  The objective
is to
  give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible.  By
  cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize
  that space.  Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury
in
  and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway).  Other
  ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well
as a
  regular vet.

  It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI.
A
  vet checkup is not a bad idea.

  Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat
is
  under too.  Some of the above may help it.

  Good luck.  It sounds like you can use some.

   If you have men who
will
  exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of
  compassion and pity, you will have men who
   will deal likewise with
  their fellow man.
St.
  Francis
  - Original Message -
  From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM
  Subject: o/t advice needed

   Hi all
   I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again
my
   condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along
with
   my
   heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.
   I've come back to discover a friend, B,  throwing her hands up in
despair
   over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his
guardian, a
   neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that
she's
   had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would
get
   along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly
so
   they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and
spraying
   everywhere it seems.
   Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what
she's
   said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very
grateful
   for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do
my
   own
   research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I
fear
   may
   be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.)
   Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry

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Re: o/t advice needed




Again thanks Nina---I wonder if she even has 2 water bowls. 
I'll mention this too.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:43 
PM
  Subject: Re: o/t advice needed
  Good idea Marylyn. I wonder if the flower essences we 
  were discussing on the list would help too. I would try the RR, 
  "Emergency" and "Relationship". She could add them to the water, (use 
  either the RR or the "Emergency"), or dab a bit on the inside tip of Danny's 
  ears, (if he doesn't mind her touching him). Darla says that cats who 
  don't respond to one will sometimes respond to the other. I sent a link 
  for the Australian FEs to the list a while you were gone, if you can't find 
  it, I'll send it again. It's worth a try. I'd put the Relationship 
  in both the cat's water bowls.NinaMarylyn wrote:
  


Additional idea that has worked for me: 
Spray Feliway on her hands and clothes before she visits Danny. He 
will feel so much more at home with 
her.

Re: o/t advice needed

Another great idea--thank you, thank you Marylyn!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:36 
PM
  Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

  Additional idea that has worked for me: 
  Spray Feliway on her hands and clothes before she visits Danny. He will 
  feel so much more at home with her.

  If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
  creatures 
  from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 

  will deal likewise with their fellow 
  man. 
  St. Francis

- Original Message - 
From: 
Nina 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:05 
PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed
Kerry,However small B's, dwelling space is, she 
should have a bathroom. Tell her to make it comfortable for Danny's in 
there, (the suggestion of a piece of clothing belonging to his former 
mistress as bedding is a very good one). Keep food and water down, (as 
far away from the litter box as she can). If she can rig the "high 
walled" litter box, he might prefer it. She needs to give him a space 
of his own until he can adjust to his new circumstances. She should 
visit him in there, but not be pushy with him. Just go in with a book 
and sit on the floor and read near him. Talk softly and convince him 
that he is welcome and that none of this is his fault. He'll be much 
more likely to use the litterbox, (and get used to using the litter box) if 
he feels safe and it's convenient. Not to mention, it will be the most 
desirable place for him to go in a small space. Lastly, she should 
reassure "her" cat that this will in no way infringe on how she treats or 
feels about him. When things calm down, she should shut her cat in the 
bedroom and allow Danny, under supervision to make excursions into the rest 
of her apt. He may not want to venture out at first, that's okay, just 
leave the door open for him and let him take his time. After a while, 
put Danny back in the bathroom with a treat and cuddle time, (if he wants 
it), and release the other cat. She can also switch Danny to the 
bedroom and allow her other cat to explore Danny's bathroom, (when he's not 
in it). This way they can get used to each other's scent's and 
territory. I understand that some people think this sort of thing is a 
bother, but it's so much better than having your apt sprayed with urine, or 
having to find another home for poor Danny. It won't go on forever and 
she'll be doing everyone a tremendous favor by letting them take things in 
their own time and pace. Wish her luck from me and tell her thank you 
for taking Danny in.I'll talk to you soon about your hectic 
life! Nina B already has one cat that she's had for 15 
years and she was quite concerned about how the two would get along. B does 
not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly so they were 
basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and spraying everywhere 
it seems. 

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Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-21 Thread Marylyn

Amen to that.  I remember an old lady who called me in tears.  She had been 
a crime victim times several and her family decided she had to move into an 
old folks home.  She had just killed her little dog.  She was very old, 
blind etc and no one in the family would take her.  I was able to catch a 
couple of the semi-ferals she fed and take them to a farm but the true 
ferals were on their own.  I really don't know how long the lady lived after 
all this happened.  I would not have been around long.  I hope some of the 
assisted living places start accepting pets.  That would help.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



Thanks Marylyn. Have passed on all yr great advice. Will let you all know
how things go. Yes, both cats are very very confused right now. But I feel
most for poor Danny.
It makes me so mad that nursing homes don't take pets. (I believe a rare 
few

do.)
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



My first thought is to try Feliway spray.  It helps a lot.  Then put

Rescue
Remedy in their water.  Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo 
Ban.

He is just trying to claim some space for himself.  Can you imagine how
awful and abandoned he feels?  How very alone?  He doesn't understand 
what
has happened to his person and why he is in  this situation and whether 
it

is a home for life or he will be thrown out again

He
is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product 
I

have found that really works on cat urine.  Make sure there are at least

two

litter boxes.  Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon
Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a doorway in it so Danny has plenty of 
high

walls to spray.  Don't put the lid on it though.  Make sure each cat is
getting attention separately and has his own food bowl.  Given the stress
this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should
seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it

that

helps.  Danny needs a special place of his own to hide.  Again, if there

is

little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it.

Cut

a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high.  The objective is

to

give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible.  By
cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize
that space.  Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in
and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway).  Other
ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as

a

regular vet.

It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI.

A

vet checkup is not a bad idea.

Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat

is

under too.  Some of the above may help it.

Good luck.  It sounds like you can use some.






 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: o/t advice needed


 Hi all
 I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my
 condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along 
 with

 my
 heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.
 I've come back to discover a friend, B,  throwing her hands up in

despair
 over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his 
 guardian,

a

 neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that

she's
 had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would 
 get

 along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly

so

 they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and

spraying

 everywhere it seems.
 Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what

she's

 said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very

grateful

 for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-21 Thread gwork

I wish the nursing homes could take pets, too, but it all comes down to 
money, unfortunately.

Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

Thanks Marylyn. Have passed on all yr great advice. Will let you all know
how things go. Yes, both cats are very very confused right now. But I feel
most for poor Danny.
It makes me so mad that nursing homes don't take pets. (I believe a rare 
few

do.)
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

My first thought is to try Feliway spray.  It helps a lot.  Then put

Rescue
Remedy in their water.  Wash down every place Danny has peed with Odo 
Ban.

He is just trying to claim some space for himself.  Can you imagine how
awful and abandoned he feels?  How very alone?  He doesn't understand 
what
has happened to his person and why he is in  this situation and whether 
it

is a home for life or he will be thrown out again

He
is very confused and very frightened.The Odo Ban is the only product 
I

have found that really works on cat urine.  Make sure there are at least

two

litter boxes.  Since Danny is spraying I would suggest getting 18 gallon
Rubbermaid boxes and cutting a doorway in it so Danny has plenty of 
high

walls to spray.  Don't put the lid on it though.  Make sure each cat is
getting attention separately and has his own food bowl.  Given the stress
this has to be putting on your friend and Danny's predicament I should
seriously consider getting some valium from my vet for Danny and see it

that

helps.  Danny needs a special place of his own to hide.  Again, if there

is

little space, try a Rubbermaid container, this time with the lid on it.

Cut

a cat size hole near the end of one long side and high.  The objective is

to

give the cat as much dark, safe space inside the box as possible.  By
cutting the hole about midway up the box and toward the end you maximize
that space.  Put in hay, shredded newspaper...something Danny can bury in
and feel safe in (again spray the box and contents with Feliway).  Other
ideas are to consult an Animal Communicator and a holistic vet as well as

a

regular vet.

It is possible that all the stress Danny is under may have led to a UTI.

A

vet checkup is not a bad idea.

Make sure your friend remembers her original cat and the stress that cat

is

under too.  Some of the above may help it.

Good luck.  It sounds like you can use some.

 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:55 PM
Subject: o/t advice needed

 Hi all
 I'm just back in the country again after 5 weeks FML, and once again my
 condolences go to those of you who have lost beloved furkids, along 
 with

 my
 heartfelt wishes to all the sick kitties for a speedy recovery.
 I've come back to discover a friend, B,  throwing her hands up in

despair
 over her new kitty Danny. (Danny had to find a new home as his 
 guardian,

a

 neighbor of B's, entered a nursing home.) B already has one cat that

she's
 had for 15 years and she was quite concerned about how the two would 
 get

 along. B does not have the space to allow them to be introduced slowly

so

 they were basically thrown together, and now Danny is peeing and

spraying

 everywhere it seems.
 Any tips/advice, you wonderful people? I'm very concerned from what

she's

 said that Danny will soon become homeless again, so I'll be very

grateful

 for any advice I can fwd to her. (I would get on the archives and do my
 own
 research but I've come back to a plumbing disaster, a friend who I fear
 may
 be on the brink of suicide and now my front tooth has fallen out.)
 Thanks for all/any help. Love you all. hugs, Kerry

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Re: o/t advice needed

A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.
Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest tips
from you wonderful people).
D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a different
room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.)
Many thanks to everyone again.
Kerry


Hi Kerry,

Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good advice?!
This is wonderful.

So far I've done
Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw; 15
minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or watching
TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name.  He also knows when
he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on the
dining table.  Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark, quiet
corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where he
can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every inch
of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and watch
the birds.  He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for food
when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the living
room in the morning (this time is just for him).  Meowing for treats and
food when I get home from work.

Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to her
as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as possible.
She get holistic animal medical drops Jealousy in her water. She has
retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring her
into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with her.
She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near her
(she has never allowed any other cat near her).  If Danny comes near, she
gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching.  Danny is
confused by this.  He wants to make contact and, I think, play.  She is
afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around.  I will not put her
litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate
everything!  Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she constantly
tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants.
Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny.

I will use the other tips and hope Danny will stop peeing and spraying.  He
also started to pee in the bathroom and now on the kitchen floor (just found
it yesterday).

Keep my fingers crossed that it will get better soon!
B

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-21 Thread Nina


Hey Kerry,
Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound 
like his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and 
Kitty in making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's 
still being stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes 
though!  I'd go out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't 
have to be nervous about using her litterbox).  I've been known to 
strewn them all over the house.  I've found that if someone is having 
accidents, (territorially motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near 
the mishap, they end up using it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her 
to watch her geriatric Kitty very closely, what a terrible turn of 
events that would be if she dashed out the door and something happened 
to her before she adjusted to her new brother.

Hugs,
Nina

Kerry MacKenzie wrote:


A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.

Re: o/t advice needed

2006-06-21 Thread gwork

My house is divided into two parts because I have two cats that just will 
not get along.  To make a long story short, I finally realized that whenever 
the other 4 cats were in our bedroom sleeping and I let Spaz or Gizmo into 
the other part of the house, Spaz was using their litter boxes.  Every 
single time this would happen, it would initiate a round of spraying from 
one or two of the others.  However, they did mostly limit their spraying to 
the litter box area, so Danny's sounds different, but my opinion is it 
couldn't hurt, at least for the time being.  They can feel threatened if 
they have to share, especially when Kitty is reacting this way to Danny.  If 
she was more accepting, none of this would probably be happening.  It is 
very similar to what I went through with Gizmo and Motley. Oh, also, when we 
were still trying to get those two to get along, it got so bad that Gizmo 
was terrified to go anywhere at all in the house, and would stay on top of 
the cupboard until she simply couldn't stand it any longer, go to the 
nearest rug, and relieve herself of diarrhea from waiting so long.  It took 
me a little bit to figure out what was going on (I thought Spaz was having 
bowel problems at first), but obviously, after that, I knew I had to 
separate them.  At that time, though, I did not know about all these other 
helpful products, so that could've made a difference.  Anyway, I give your 
friend much credit for making this much of an effort and trying.  I hope it 
will settle down soon.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed



A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.
Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest tips
from you wonderful people).
D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a different
room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.)
Many thanks to everyone again.
Kerry


Hi Kerry,

Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good 
advice?!

This is wonderful.

So far I've done
Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw; 15
minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or watching
TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name.  He also knows when
he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on the
dining table.  Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark, 
quiet

corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where he
can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every inch
of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and watch
the birds.  He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for food
when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the 
living

room in the morning (this time is just for him).  Meowing for treats and
food when I get home from work.

Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to 
her

as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as possible.
She get holistic animal medical drops Jealousy in her water. She has
retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring her
into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with 
her.

She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near her
(she has never allowed any other cat near her).  If Danny comes near, she
gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching.  Danny 
is

confused by this.  He wants to make contact and, I think, play.  She is
afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around.  I will not put her
litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate
everything!  Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she constantly
tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants.
Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny.

I will use the other tips and hope Danny will stop peeing and spraying. 
He
also started to pee in the bathroom and now on the kitchen floor (just 
found

it yesterday).

Keep my fingers crossed that it will get better soon!
B

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Yes, my mother has also had good experience with placing a litter box near 
the mishap, as well.

Kris
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Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:22 PM
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Hey Kerry,
Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound like 
his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty in 
making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being 
stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though!  I'd go 
out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be nervous 
about using her litterbox).  I've been known to strewn them all over the 
house.  I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially 
motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up using 
it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty 
very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed 
out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her new 
brother.

Hugs,
Nina

Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.

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Are these lid-less, Marylyn? (She may feel safer with lids)
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From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

 Please tell her the Rubbermaid or generic is a lot less expensive than
 regular litter boxes.

  If you have men who will
 exclude any of God's creatures
  from the shelter of
 compassion and pity, you will have men who
  will deal likewise with
 their fellow man.
   St.
 Francis
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 From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:22 PM
 Subject: Re: o/t advice needed

  Hey Kerry,
  Thank you for keeping us posted on Danny's progress.   It does sound
like
  his new momma is a kind woman and willing to work with him and Kitty
in
  making the transition.  I think she's a bit crazy if she's still being
  stubborn about not wanting to separate the litter boxes though!  I'd go
  out and buy three more, (poor Miss Kitty, she shouldn't have to be
nervous
  about using her litterbox).  I've been known to strewn them all over the
  house.  I've found that if someone is having accidents, (territorially
  motivated or not), if I put a litterbox near the mishap, they end up
using
  it instead of the floor or wall.  Tell her to watch her geriatric Kitty
  very closely, what a terrible turn of events that would be if she dashed
  out the door and something happened to her before she adjusted to her
new
  brother.
  Hugs,
  Nina

  Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

 A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.

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thank you thank you again Marylyn. A Q--

Kitty may not like her litter box in the same area as her litter box
unless this
has always been the setup

did you mean as Danny's litter box (Danny only arived a couple of weeks
ago)---just want to clarify before I fwd to B! thanks, Kerry




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From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


 I would put the litter boxes as far away from each other as possible.
Kitty
 may not like her litter box in the same area as her litter box unless this
 has always been the setup.  I strongly urge the use of Feliway.  Some of
the
 larger stores carry it and a lot of vets do.  I have never had any luck
with
 the kind you plug in, just the spray on.








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 exclude any of God's creatures
  from the shelter of
 compassion and pity, you will have men who
  will deal likewise with
 their fellow man.
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 From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:41 PM
 Subject: Re: o/t advice needed


 A big thankyou from my friend re Danny ( Kitty)follows below.
  Also a rundown of what she's now doing (but before she got the latest
tips
  from you wonderful people).
  D'you think she really *should* be putting each litterbox in a different
  room. (It also sounds like she still has just the 2 boxes.)
  Many thanks to everyone again.
  Kerry
 
 
  Hi Kerry,
 
  Would you please send everyone my heartfelt THANKS for all the good
  advice?!
  This is wonderful.
 
  So far I've done
  Separate litterboxes; Rescue Remedy in his water and a drop on his paw;
15
  minutes of play time every night; sitting with him and reading or
watching
  TV; he is starting to respond to my calling his name.  He also knows
when
  he's NOT supposed to do something when I say his name, like jumping on
the
  dining table.  Danny has claimed the living room and has his own dark,
  quiet
  corner between the couch and book shelf, lined with a catnip mat, where
he
  can cuddle and feel safe; he's VERY curious and has checked out every
inch
  of my apartment so far, likes to sit in the living room windows and
watch
  the birds.  He is starting to get a hang of our routine - meowing for
food
  when I get up in the morning, petting time when I do exercise in the
  living
  room in the morning (this time is just for him).  Meowing for treats and
  food when I get home from work.
 
  Kitty gets lots of attention, sleeps with me and I make sure to talk to
  her
  as much as possible. I try to keep as much of our old routine as
possible.
  She get holistic animal medical drops Jealousy in her water. She has
  retreated into the bedroom 90% of the time and I make a point to bring
her
  into the kitchen with me for interaction, so I can spend more time with
  her.
  She is very nervous and anxious and will absolutely not let Danny near
her
  (she has never allowed any other cat near her).  If Danny comes near,
she
  gets very aggressive, growls and the chases him away, screeching.  Danny
  is
  confused by this.  He wants to make contact and, I think, play.  She is
  afraid to use her litterbox because Danny is around.  I will not put her
  litterbox and food in the bedroom because I don't want to separate
  everything!  Kitty has NEVER wanted to go outside and now she constantly
  tries to run out the back door when I'm going out to water the plants.
  Seems like she does not want to be in the same place as Danny.
 
  I will use the other tips and hope Danny will stop peeing and spraying.
  He
  also started to pee in the bathroom and now on the kitchen floor (just
  found
  it yesterday).
 
  Keep my fingers crossed that it will get better soon!
  B
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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