Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis...

[Margo]

Try some of the veterinary "recovery" foods. Hill's a/d .is the same texture as baby food, but made to get in as much nutrition as possible with the least volume. There used to be an Iams/Eukanuba formula, but it seems to have been discontinued. There's even a complete liquid diet (CliniCare), but that's very expensive. Your Vet may have more suggestions. And while you're there, see if they will give you Buprenex for the pain. It's easy to give because it just has to get in the side of his mouth, and is absorbed thru the mucous membranes. You may find he eats more if it doesn't hurt so much. All the best,Margo-Original Message-
From: Maribel Piloto <pilo...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Apr 24, 2018 3:49 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis...

Thank you Bob.  I'm definitely gonna get him the Depo this weekend.  It's just terrible to see him wanting to eat more and not being able to.I feed colony cats and had one Leuk+ guy at one of my colonies who lived 8 yrs after first testing positive and he was always in good health until the last few months.  Interestingly enough - he lived with other cats at the colony and none of the others I've tested from there ever got it.I'm hoping I can give Spencer at least some good years.Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-Mohandas Ghandi   From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis...   Maribel...So sorry to hear the little spencer is FeLV...    On the plus side... He's made it to 2 yrs old and in my ( not extensive but growing) experience... if they don't die in the first year they often can last several...and...yes...  it appears that full mouth extraction is the "gold standard" for Stomatitis.. it has always bothered me that they still have not come up with something that can address this damnable infection without costing Kitties ALL their  teeth Again, on the " bright" side... cats do remarkably well without teeth.   I'm surprised that Spencer isn't eating more of the baby food as it takes very little mouth pressure to get it down...  I've fed cats a diet of almost total Baby food ... both syringe and freely taken and think it is just great.  If I were going to do it long term I'd look for a Taurine supplement as I doubt that Baby food has sufficient Taurine for optimal Kitty Health.    ** I'd definitely go with the Depo injection...   or , secondarily  Prednisolone... both will help with inflammation ( and therefore pain) with the side benefit of increase in appetite.   Your devotion to this Kitty is obvious in your post and I wish you and the little guy all the best I'd love to see you and he have more comfortable years together..Bob> -->> Message: 1> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:27:23 +0000 (UTC)> From: Maribel Piloto> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis > and FeLV cats> Message-ID: <588427514.399000.1524594443...@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8">> Hi all,> I have a very sweet indoor-only?gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 > yrs of age sadly tested positive for FeLV.?? Spencer has developed > stomatitis which makes it very hard for him to eat.? He had always > enjoyed his food but in the last few months it's gotten to the point > where he only gets in one or two licks before he yelps and runs away > in pain.? He's lost weight as a result.? I know that for stomatitis, > the long-term solution is usually a full-mouth extraction of all > teeth.?? In May I will be getting a bonus at work and plan on taking > him to a dentist I've used many times before to get him evaluated for > the procedure and probably have it done.???In the meantime, I've been > giving him a powder called Plaque Off which is supposed to help with > stomatitis.? I can get Spencer to eat the baby food that comes in > these tiny jars and is just chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix > the powder with that.? So far, it hasn't been doing much.?? In the > past, when I've had otherwise healthy c>  ats with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every > other month or a couple of times a year and this has cleared the > swelling.? Depo is a steroid which reduces inflammation but also, > suppresses the immune system.> For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in > FeLV...> do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go??? Do you > think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo to > alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction > in May??? Spencer 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats

[Sandy]

I have a cat - not FeLV - but never-the-less - who had all but the front teeth 
removed due to Stomatitis - after healing he does eat Royal Canin Mother/Baby 
cat kibble and wet food


Sandy W

> On April 24, 2018 at 2:27 PM Maribel Piloto  wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a very sweet indoor-only gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 
> yrs of age sadly tested positive for FeLV.   Spencer has developed stomatitis 
> which makes it very hard for him to eat.  He had always enjoyed his food but 
> in the last few months it's gotten to the point where he only gets in one or 
> two licks before he yelps and runs away in pain.  He's lost weight as a 
> result.  I know that for stomatitis, the long-term solution is usually a 
> full-mouth extraction of all teeth.   In May I will be getting a bonus at 
> work and plan on taking him to a dentist I've used many times before to get 
> him evaluated for the procedure and probably have it done.   In the meantime, 
> I've been giving him a powder called Plaque Off which is supposed to help 
> with stomatitis.  I can get Spencer to eat the baby food that comes in these 
> tiny jars and is just chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix the powder 
> with that.  So far, it hasn't been doing much.   In the past, when I've had 
> otherwise hea
 lthy cats with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every other 
month or a couple of times a year and this has cleared the swelling.  Depo is a 
steroid which reduces inflammation but also, suppresses the immune system.
> 
> For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in FeLV...
> 
> do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go?  
> 
> Do you think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo 
> to alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction in 
> May?  
> 
> Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they don't have all 
> the nutrition a cat needs.  Any supplements you can recommend that I could 
> add to those - giving him something by mouth is impossible.
> 
> Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.
> 
> Maribel & Spencer
> 
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
> treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
> 
> 


 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis...

[Maribel Piloto]

Thank you Bob.  I'm definitely gonna get him the Depo this weekend.  It's just 
terrible to see him wanting to eat more and not being able to.
I feed colony cats and had one Leuk+ guy at one of my colonies who lived 8 yrs 
after first testing positive and he was always in good health until the last 
few months.  Interestingly enough - he lived with other cats at the colony and 
none of the others I've tested from there ever got it.
I'm hoping I can give Spencer at least some good years.
Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

  From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 3:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis...
   
Maribel...
So sorry to hear the little spencer is FeLV...    On the plus side... 
He's made it to 2 yrs old and in my ( not extensive but growing) 
experience... if they don't die in the first year they often can last 
several...
and...yes...  it appears that full mouth extraction is the "gold 
standard" for Stomatitis.. it has always bothered me that they still 
have not come up with something that can address this damnable infection 
without costing Kitties ALL their  teeth Again, on the " bright" 
side... cats do remarkably well without teeth.   I'm surprised that 
Spencer isn't eating more of the baby food as it takes very little mouth 
pressure to get it down...  I've fed cats a diet of almost total Baby 
food ... both syringe and freely taken and think it is just great.  
If I were going to do it long term I'd look for a Taurine supplement as 
I doubt that Baby food has sufficient Taurine for optimal Kitty 
Health.    ** I'd definitely go with the Depo injection...   or 
, secondarily  Prednisolone... both will help with inflammation ( and 
therefore pain) with the side benefit of increase in appetite.   
Your devotion to this Kitty is obvious in your post and I wish you and 
the little guy all the best I'd love to see you and he have more 
comfortable years together..

Bob
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:27:23 + (UTC)
> From: Maribel Piloto

> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis 
> and FeLV cats
> Message-ID: <588427514.399000.1524594443...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi all,
> I have a very sweet indoor-only?gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 
> yrs of age sadly tested positive for FeLV.?? Spencer has developed 
> stomatitis which makes it very hard for him to eat.? He had always 
> enjoyed his food but in the last few months it's gotten to the point 
> where he only gets in one or two licks before he yelps and runs away 
> in pain.? He's lost weight as a result.? I know that for stomatitis, 
> the long-term solution is usually a full-mouth extraction of all 
> teeth.?? In May I will be getting a bonus at work and plan on taking 
> him to a dentist I've used many times before to get him evaluated for 
> the procedure and probably have it done.???In the meantime, I've been 
> giving him a powder called Plaque Off which is supposed to help with 
> stomatitis.? I can get Spencer to eat the baby food that comes in 
> these tiny jars and is just chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix 
> the powder with that.? So far, it hasn't been doing much.?? In the 
> past, when I've had otherwise healthy c
>  ats with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every 
> other month or a couple of times a year and this has cleared the 
> swelling.? Depo is a steroid which reduces inflammation but also, 
> suppresses the immune system.
> For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in 
> FeLV...
> do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go??? Do you 
> think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo to 
> alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction 
> in May??? Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they 
> don't have all the nutrition a cat needs.? Any supplements you can 
> recommend that I could add to those - giving him something by mouth is 
> impossible.
> Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.
> Maribel & Spencer
> "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
> treated."
> -Mohandas Ghandi
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats
> Message-

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Maribel...
So sorry to hear the little spencer is FeLV...    On the plus side... 
He's made it to 2 yrs old and in my ( not extensive but growing) 
experience... if they don't die in the first year they often can last 
several...
and...yes...  it appears that full mouth extraction is the "gold 
standard" for Stomatitis.. it has always bothered me that they still 
have not come up with something that can address this damnable infection 
without costing Kitties ALL their  teeth Again, on the " bright" 
side... cats do remarkably well without teeth.   I'm surprised that 
Spencer isn't eating more of the baby food as it takes very little mouth 
pressure to get it down...  I've fed cats a diet of almost total Baby 
food ... both syringe and freely taken and think it is just great.  
If I were going to do it long term I'd look for a Taurine supplement as 
I doubt that Baby food has sufficient Taurine for optimal Kitty 
Health.    ** I'd definitely go with the Depo injection...   or 
, secondarily  Prednisolone... both will help with inflammation ( and 
therefore pain) with the side benefit of increase in appetite.   
Your devotion to this Kitty is obvious in your post and I wish you and 
the little guy all the best I'd love to see you and he have more 
comfortable years together..


Bob

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:27:23 + (UTC)
From: Maribel Piloto


To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis 
and FeLV cats

Message-ID: <588427514.399000.1524594443...@mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi all,
I have a very sweet indoor-only?gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 
yrs of age sadly tested positive for FeLV.?? Spencer has developed 
stomatitis which makes it very hard for him to eat.? He had always 
enjoyed his food but in the last few months it's gotten to the point 
where he only gets in one or two licks before he yelps and runs away 
in pain.? He's lost weight as a result.? I know that for stomatitis, 
the long-term solution is usually a full-mouth extraction of all 
teeth.?? In May I will be getting a bonus at work and plan on taking 
him to a dentist I've used many times before to get him evaluated for 
the procedure and probably have it done.???In the meantime, I've been 
giving him a powder called Plaque Off which is supposed to help with 
stomatitis.? I can get Spencer to eat the baby food that comes in 
these tiny jars and is just chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix 
the powder with that.? So far, it hasn't been doing much.?? In the 
past, when I've had otherwise healthy c
 ats with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every 
other month or a couple of times a year and this has cleared the 
swelling.? Depo is a steroid which reduces inflammation but also, 
suppresses the immune system.
For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in 
FeLV...
do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go??? Do you 
think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo to 
alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction 
in May??? Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they 
don't have all the nutrition a cat needs.? Any supplements you can 
recommend that I could add to those - giving him something by mouth is 
impossible.

Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.
Maribel & Spencer
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are 
treated."

-Mohandas Ghandi
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    "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats
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Hi Maribel

Probably removing the teeth is the way to go. I don?t think it would 
hurt to have the Depo shot. Obviously, there is an infection and 
anything which might help to clear up the infection or reduce the 
swelling from the infection, would be beneficial.


One other thing to suggest is use of Prednisolone 5 mg a day, which 
will also help reduce swelling and therefore pain.


Regarding the baby food, on the contrary, it is an ideal food for 
cats. It has a lot of vitamins, fat, protein, etc. I have saved more 
than my fair share of cats by feeding them strictly baby food by 
syringe until they were healthy enough to eat on their own. If he 
takes the baby food on his own, great. If not, see how many 
syringe-fulls you can get in. Also consider using the ?juice? from a 
can of tuna, and/or puree the tuna with some water and syringe that 
up, if he will not eat it on his own.


With cats, I have always found that the trick is to get enough food 
into

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats

[mirna m]

Hi Maribel!I am in a process of getting Lactoferrin for my foster FelV cat and 
came across a lot of studies that show how lactoferrin is helpfull with gum 
problems in FIV cats.I also read a lot of message boards and experiences on 
that subject.Just google Lactoferrin cat stomatitis! Re: Stomatitis and FeLV 
catsat

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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:27:23 + (UTC)
From: Maribel Piloto <pilo...@bellsouth.net>
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats
Message-ID: <588427514.399000.1524594443...@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi all,
I have a very sweet indoor-only?gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 yrs of 
age sadly tested positive for FeLV.?? Spencer has developed stomatitis which 
makes it very hard for him to eat.? He had always enjoyed his food but in the 
last few months it's gotten to the point where he only gets in one or two licks 
before he yelps and runs away in pain.? He's lost weight as a result.? I know 
that for stomatitis, the long-term solution is usually a full-mouth extraction 
of all teeth.?? In May I will be getting a bonus at work and plan on taking him 
to a dentist I've used many times before to get him evaluated for the procedure 
and probably have it done.???In the meantime, I've been giving him a powder 
called Plaque Off which is supposed to help with stomatitis.? I can get Spencer 
to eat the baby food that comes in these tiny jars and is just 
chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix the powder with that.? So far, it 
hasn't been doing much.?? In the past, when I've had otherwise healthy c
 ats with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every other month 
or a couple of times a year and this has cleared the swelling.? Depo is a 
steroid which reduces inflammation but also, suppresses the immune system.
For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in FeLV...
do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go??? 
Do you think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo to 
alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction in 
May??? 
Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they don't have all the 
nutrition a cat needs.? Any supplements you can recommend that I could add to 
those - giving him something by mouth is impossible.
Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.
Maribel & Spencer
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi
 
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From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
To: Maribel Piloto <pilo...@bellsouth.net>,
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Hi Maribel

Probably removing the teeth is the way to go. I don?t think it would hurt to 
have the Depo shot. Obviously, there is an infection and anything which might 
help to clear up the infection or reduce the swelling from the infection, would 
be beneficial.

One other thing to suggest is use of Prednisolone 5 mg a day, which will also 
help reduce swelling and therefore pain.

Regarding the baby food, on the contrary, it is an ideal food for cats. It has 
a lot of vitamins, fat, protein, etc. I have saved more than my fair share of 
cats by feeding them strictly baby food by syringe until they were healthy 
enough to eat on their own. If he takes the baby food on his own, great. If 
not, see how many syringe-fulls you can get in. Also consider using the ?juice? 
from a can of tuna, and/or puree the tuna with some water and syringe that

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Maribel

Probably removing the teeth is the way to go. I don’t think it would hurt to 
have the Depo shot. Obviously, there is an infection and anything which might 
help to clear up the infection or reduce the swelling from the infection, would 
be beneficial.

One other thing to suggest is use of Prednisolone 5 mg a day, which will also 
help reduce swelling and therefore pain.

Regarding the baby food, on the contrary, it is an ideal food for cats. It has 
a lot of vitamins, fat, protein, etc. I have saved more than my fair share of 
cats by feeding them strictly baby food by syringe until they were healthy 
enough to eat on their own. If he takes the baby food on his own, great. If 
not, see how many syringe-fulls you can get in. Also consider using the “juice” 
from a can of tuna, and/or puree the tuna with some water and syringe that up, 
if he will not eat it on his own.

With cats, I have always found that the trick is to get enough food into them 
to allow their bodies to start to heal. If they won’t eat sufficient food on 
their own, I will syringe-feed them with some intensity, since there is a 
saw-off point when they begin to feel better and their appetite increases, thus 
requiring less of the syringe-feeding.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Maribel Piloto
Sent: April-24-18 2:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats

Hi all,

I have a very sweet indoor-only gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 yrs of 
age sadly tested positive for FeLV.   Spencer has developed stomatitis which 
makes it very hard for him to eat.  He had always enjoyed his food but in the 
last few months it's gotten to the point where he only gets in one or two licks 
before he yelps and runs away in pain.  He's lost weight as a result.  I know 
that for stomatitis, the long-term solution is usually a full-mouth extraction 
of all teeth.   In May I will be getting a bonus at work and plan on taking him 
to a dentist I've used many times before to get him evaluated for the procedure 
and probably have it done.   In the meantime, I've been giving him a powder 
called Plaque Off which is supposed to help with stomatitis.  I can get Spencer 
to eat the baby food that comes in these tiny jars and is just 
chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix the powder with that.  So far, it 
hasn't been doing much.   In the past, when I've had otherwise healthy cats 
with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every other month or a 
couple of times a year and this has cleared the swelling.  Depo is a steroid 
which reduces inflammation but also, suppresses the immune system.

For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in FeLV...

do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go?

Do you think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo to 
alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction in May?

Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they don't have all the 
nutrition a cat needs.  Any supplements you can recommend that I could add to 
those - giving him something by mouth is impossible.

Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.

Maribel & Spencer

"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis and FeLV cats

[Maribel Piloto]

Hi all,
I have a very sweet indoor-only gray tabby named Spencer who at only 2 yrs of 
age sadly tested positive for FeLV.   Spencer has developed stomatitis which 
makes it very hard for him to eat.  He had always enjoyed his food but in the 
last few months it's gotten to the point where he only gets in one or two licks 
before he yelps and runs away in pain.  He's lost weight as a result.  I know 
that for stomatitis, the long-term solution is usually a full-mouth extraction 
of all teeth.   In May I will be getting a bonus at work and plan on taking him 
to a dentist I've used many times before to get him evaluated for the procedure 
and probably have it done.   In the meantime, I've been giving him a powder 
called Plaque Off which is supposed to help with stomatitis.  I can get Spencer 
to eat the baby food that comes in these tiny jars and is just 
chicken/turkey/ham and cornstarch so I mix the powder with that.  So far, it 
hasn't been doing much.   In the past, when I've had otherwise healthy cats 
with stomatitis, I've gotten them shots of Depo Medrol every other month or a 
couple of times a year and this has cleared the swelling.  Depo is a steroid 
which reduces inflammation but also, suppresses the immune system.
For those of you who may be familiar with stomatitis and Depo in FeLV...
do you think the full-mouth extraction is the way to go?   
Do you think it would be ok to get Spencer at least one shot of the Depo to 
alleviate the stomatitis until I can get him the full-mouth extraction in May?  
 
Spencer likes those jars of baby food but I'm sure they don't have all the 
nutrition a cat needs.  Any supplements you can recommend that I could add to 
those - giving him something by mouth is impossible.
Would appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share.
Maribel & Spencer
"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-Mohandas Ghandi
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Lee Evans]

The problem could be that an infected tooth broke off at the root, covered with 
overgrown gum and is festering inside, causing jaw and lymph problems. She 
definitely needs an antibiotic shot, maybe the Convenia since it would be 
difficult to pill her.

I have older cats with stomatitis but I have never seen them have difficulty 
yawning. Mostly, they drool or have their tongue sticking out a bit. They also 
may shake their head like they have a toothache or paw at their cheek on the 
affected side. 

Has she been checked for salivary gland tumor, ear infection on the side that 
bothers her, thyroid growths? When did you first notice the symptoms and what 
was happening to her or to the environment at the time? Was she fed fresh fish, 
maybe with a stray fish bone? Cooked chicken maybe with a chicken bone splinter?

It has been my experience that some vets just randomly pick the closest and 
quickest matching diagnosis they can find and throw it at you as they take your 
money. Even physicians for humans tend to do this at times if they are puzzled 
and then your cat or you get treated for the absolutely wrong thing while the 
actual situation worsens with time.





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On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen

Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
be her teeth at all.


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[trustinhim13]

Pookie had his mouth sore on the side down next to his tongue. The vet 
saw it. I didn't. They won't let you look becasue it hurts for them to 
open the



On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jill Eisenbraun wrote:

Hi Jen, stomatitis isn't limited to older cats at all! It can have 
many causes, but cause can be hard to pin down. It's an immune problem 
and also is more common in FIV+ cats. However, other cats can and do 
get it. Some vets feel that it may be caused by calici virus.I have 
one who had severe stomatitis and did end up having a full mouth 
extraction done by a veterinary dental specialist. Very expensive, 
over $4,000 and believe me I am going to be paying for that for a very 
long time! The bad smelling breath is one sign. It's really bad, too! 
Try looking in the mouth, if it is stomatitis you will see really 
angry red inflammation, sometimes it's worse in the throat area.
Also wanted to add my two cents on the small pupil thing. Sounds a lot 
like Horners Syndrome, which is usually linked to an ear problem. The 
very same cat of mine that had the stomatits also had Horners last 
summer. It really isn't harmful and usually clears on its own in a few 
weeks. I treated Stacy's ear infection with OTC medicine and it went 
away.


Jill and kitties

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Lorrie]

Read below...


On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen
 
Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
be her teeth at all.

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Jennifer Lewis]

Thanks Lorrie!
On Dec 21, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Lorrie wrote:

 Read below...
 
 
 On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen
 
 Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
 Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
 it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
 and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
 be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
 jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
 be her teeth at all.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
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[KG BarnCats]

Just a note on dental extractions... Helping Hands in Richmond is a great
surgical/dental specialty clinic.  They have pre set prices like $175 for
any dental -- no matter what is needed.  That includes a full mouth
extraction.  Meds are included. Blood work is like $45. This is a top
quality clinic which I have used many, many times over the last few years.
 Was just there again 2 weeks ago with one for chin tumor removal and one
for dental.  Went great.They are against economic euthanasia and have been
on Good Morning America etc.  At their prices, you can travel a long way
and still save a lot of money.  They say if you can get here, we will help
your pet.

Kg



On Saturday, December 21, 2013, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 Read below...


 On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 Hi all,

 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.

 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help,
we're
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.

 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.

 Please help!
 Jen

 Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
 Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
 it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
 and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
 be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
 jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
 be her teeth at all.

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[dot winkler]

A few people in this group recommended Coptis Purge fire for the stomatitis.  
As well as CoQ10.  



 From: Mary Lou jerseydevil1...@yahoo.com
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:44 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
 
If your cat hs stomatitis, there is a yahoo group for discussing that problem.  
The group has long discussed a liquid stomatitis syrup that comes from a group 
in Dallas.  Your vet has to get involved with the project and contact the group 
in Dallas.  I can honestly say that I had very serious doubts about the syrup, 
but it works.  My Abbey is FIV+ and orginally tested Felv+, but negative the 
2nd and 3rd tests.  She had a bad case of stomatitis and is in remission.  I do 
not work for the group, just let people know to check it out with an open mind. 
 I really does work. Mary Lou

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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[dot winkler]

Hi Kathryn:  Can you give me the recipe for homeopathic remedy/diet for feline 
stomatitis.  I had it printed out but in the disuption of the hurricane, I 
misplaced it.  I do remember Oxyfresh in the water.  Do you mean, Oxiwash  that 
we use in our laundry to help whiten it?  How much?  Is it safe?  How often?  
I am giving Tiger CoQ10 as well as Vit C and L-Lysine daily.  Thanks, Dot 
(Freehold, NJ)



 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
 

Note that one can transition kits to the much healthier wet food (and then 
healthy wet food, as opposed to Friskies, which is great for getting cats to 
eat anything) by adding in a little of the desired stuff at a time while 
subtracting the old stuff.   Cats are instinctually fussy about food for a good 
evolutionary reason.   You can also putting really smelly bonito flakes or tuna 
water on things they may otherwise not eat.   I also use freeze-dried liver or 
salmon or chicken or beef (from save sources, not China), because it smells so 
strong.   The nose is the gateway to a cat's stomach.

Is there a way the vet can detect these possible lesions mentioned by digegg? 


The other Kathryn (call me Kathy).



On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

THANK YOU!  I will bring that possibility up w/the vet.  In talking to
him on the phone he has come up with a few possibilities but I will
see what he thinks.  I also notice that Oz is VERY leery of brooms.
Will even stop eating his morning canned food and run for shelter if I
start sweeping around his litter pan on the far side of the room.  And
unlike Miss Kitty, Oz LOVES his canned food treat.   I have to wonder
if he hasn't been clobbered/chased with a broom more than a few times.

Kat


dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


RE:  Oz and his rear end.  I had a stray that never wanted his rear
end touched.  He died from urinary tract obstruction.  The vet was
upset that he could not find anything to cause it so he did an
autopsy.  He found adhesions all over inside his body, the kind that
come from being kicked across a room, very hard.  He was a beautiful
champagne color Persian with the most loving personality.  Maybe Oz
has some adhesions ?
 Chris ti...@mindspring.com wrote:

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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

No Oxyfresh is a dental thing you put in pets' water:
http://www.oxyfresh.com/pet/petoralhygiene.asp

(Sent the protocol directly to her.)

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:03 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi Kathryn:  Can you give me the recipe for homeopathic remedy/diet for
 feline stomatitis.  I had it printed out but in the disuption of the
 hurricane, I misplaced it.  I do remember Oxyfresh in the water.  Do you
 mean, Oxiwash  that we use in our laundry to help whiten it?  How much?  Is
 it safe?  How often?
 I am giving Tiger CoQ10 as well as Vit C and L-Lysine daily.  Thanks, Dot
 (Freehold, NJ)



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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.
http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar)

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
http://vimeo.com/48445902



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[dot winkler]

Hi  Can you all tell me what the stomatitis thing is. I have been reading some 
of your mail.  My felv pos cat has been finicky the past month.  Is this one of 
the symptoms of the disease progressing?  Asked one vet and he said he didn't 
think so.  This was a travelling vet I had to use recently for one of my other 
cats who I could not get in the carrying case.  Sorry for sounding nieve about 
this but it is all new to me.  Chlor felv is a year and a half and a little on 
the small side and looks thin to me lately.  Dotty


 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 

Holistic Stomatitis Protocol

Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones.   These the 
supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't optional.  What 
seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics along with Coptis 
Purge Fire.  You may have to continue with Coptis Purge Fire forever.   We've 
just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have not tried stopping the 
supplements.   It's better than extractions, which some say only work 50% of 
the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.


Supplements
Health Concerns  Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)
CoQ10  30mg (Dr. Clark)
Vitamin A  25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)
Vitamin E (dry, no soy)  200 IU (may be optional)
Lysine  500mg
Standard Process Whole Body Support  1/2 to 1 tablet
Standard Process Immune Support  1 tablet
Tumeric  450mg   1/2 capsule  

Can also try:
Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)


Palliative Homeopathy
(as opposed to Classical---not really recommended, but here for completeness)
Mercurius 30C


Meds
Antibiotics if really, really bad infections.  Can do it once to get things to 
a level at which the cat can recover with supplements.  Use probiotics 
separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.


Cleanings
Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean.  In Los Angeles, Kim Haba is 
an excellent dental tech (see below) who can do such cleanings.  Don't feed 
ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use calcium 
carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about 1400 mg per 
pound of ground meat).


Topical
Oxyfresh in the water.


Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture (the 
alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums once or 
twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too sensitive for 
this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.


Diet
Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org   My recipe with local suppliers 
available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com    



Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle http://holisticanimaldoctor.com  
and the forum folks on http://holisticat.com


Dental cleanings in the Los Angeles area:
Four Paws Dental Care
Anesthesia Free Teeth Cleaning for Dogs and Cats
Kim Haba
310-699.0036
k...@fourpawsdentalcare.com





On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

Kathryn,
I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.
I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  
However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on 
them?Natalie  =^..^=
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/WHAT IS STOMATITIS? MY FELV CAT IS FINICKY

[Beth]

Check the mouth for sores. Usually cats will spit out there food or run away 
after trying to eat because it it painful. If she is looking thin I'd look at 
her gums to make sure they are pink. Most of mine have died from anemia, which 
is common in FeLV cats. If any of my cats start not acting right I take them in 
for bloodwork. There is so much they can tell that way.

Beth


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 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/WHAT IS STOMATITIS? MY FELV CAT IS FINICKY
 



Hi  Can you all tell me what the stomatitis thing is. I have been reading some 
of your mail.  My felv pos cat has been finicky the past month.  Is this one of 
the symptoms of the disease progressing?  Asked one vet and he said he didn't 
think so.  This was a travelling vet I had to use recently for one of my other 
cats who I could not get in the carrying case.  Sorry for sounding nieve about 
this but it is all new to me.  Chlor felv is a year and a half and a little on 
the small side and looks thin to me lately.  Dotty

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[Beth]

Wow. I love holistic approaches, but I'd be afraid my cats would die from 
stress related illness before the stomatitis was cured. I have to wrap them in 
a towel to get meds in them. Do you mix it in their food?

I have heard great things about the laser procedure.

Beth

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 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 

Thank you – looking at it, I honestly don’t believe that I would be able to 
manage giving it all to the 2 very skittish FIV+ cats, maybe one day…
But I will file it away to use on cats who would allow me to do this!
Natalie  =^..^=
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 
Holistic Stomatitis Protocol

Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones.   These the 
supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't optional.  What 
seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics along with Coptis 
Purge Fire.  You may have to continue with Coptis Purge Fire forever.   We've 
just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have not tried stopping the 
supplements.   It's better than extractions, which some say only work 50% of 
the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.


Supplements
Health Concerns  Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)
CoQ10  30mg (Dr. Clark)
Vitamin A  25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)
Vitamin E (dry, no soy)  200 IU (may be optional)
Lysine  500mg
Standard Process Whole Body Support  1/2 to 1 tablet
Standard Process Immune Support  1 tablet
Tumeric  450mg   1/2 capsule  

Can also try:
Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)


Palliative Homeopathy
(as opposed to Classical---not really recommended, but here for completeness)
Mercurius 30C


Meds
Antibiotics if really, really bad infections.  Can do it once to get things to 
a level at which the cat can recover with supplements.  Use probiotics 
separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.


Cleanings
Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean.  In Los Angeles, Kim Haba is 
an excellent dental tech (see below) who can do such cleanings.  Don't feed 
ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use calcium 
carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about 1400 mg per 
pound of ground meat).


Topical
Oxyfresh in the water.


Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture (the 
alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums once or 
twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too sensitive for 
this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.


Diet
Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org   My recipe with local suppliers 
available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com    



Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle http://holisticanimaldoctor.com  
and the forum folks on http://holisticat.com


Dental cleanings in the Los Angeles area:
Four Paws Dental Care
Anesthesia Free Teeth Cleaning for Dogs and Cats
Kim Haba
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k...@fourpawsdentalcare.com




On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
Kathryn,
I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.
I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  
However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?
Natalie  =^..^=

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.
 

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
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http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

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[Lee Evans]

Many of the cats I have had drooled after eating or slapped at the side of 
their mouth with their paw.  The gum on the side that has stomatitis is usually 
bright red, inflamed looking and the cat does not like his whisker pad or that 
side of his face touched.  In the beginning cases, they may be what looks like 
finicky because they are trying to avoid pain and the food they usually eats 
seems, to them, to be the culprit, so even when hungry, they will avoid that 
food. Stomatitis is not just for FIV+ or FeLv+ cats.  It knows no boundaries 
unfortunately and perfectly healthy young cats can get it.  Older cats with a 
history of no dental exams are, of course, more at risk.  Stomatitis can also 
lead to kidney problems because of the bacterial build up in the mouth so you 
need to take at-risk cats to have them checked.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/WHAT IS STOMATITIS? MY FELV CAT IS FINICKY
 

Check the mouth for sores. Usually cats will spit out there food or run away 
after trying to eat because it it painful. If she is looking thin I'd look at 
her gums to make sure they are pink. Most of mine have died from anemia, which 
is common in FeLV cats. If any of my cats start not acting right I take them in 
for bloodwork. There is so much they can tell that way.

Beth


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/WHAT IS STOMATITIS? MY FELV CAT IS FINICKY
 



Hi  Can you all tell me what the stomatitis thing is. I have been reading some 
of your mail.  My felv pos cat has been finicky the past month.  Is this one of 
the symptoms of the disease progressing?  Asked one vet and he said he didn't 
think so.  This was a travelling vet I had to use recently for one of my other 
cats who I could not get in the carrying case.  Sorry for sounding nieve about 
this but it is all new to me.  Chlor felv is a year and a half and a little on 
the small side and looks thin to me lately.  Dotty





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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[tamara stickler]

Sounds like my 9lb. teenage calico!  The vet techs break into tears  break out 
the raccoon handling gloves whenever we get to the office.   (this from a LAP 
CAT - unless of course you try to administer to her!)

They REALLY make it difficult to help them sometimes don't they!

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From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:07 PM




I'm filing it in my Important Mail folder.  I think Romeo would kill me half 
way through the protocol though.  But I could try.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Yes, you can put it in food.  Often putting herbs in cats' food, however,
will cause anorexia, so if that occurs, start with a small amount and add
more each day.  You can also put tuna juice or some other bribe food on
top, so they won't smell the herbs.

Try just the Coptis Purge Fire.  If that doesn't work alone, try one course
of Clavamox, which will help for a month or so anyways.  If you see
improvement beyond that, then the Coptis Purge Fire is working.  If not,
then try adding some of the other supplements.   I'd feed the good food no
matter what.


I didn't try the laser for stomatitis, but did try the K Laser on another
cat's ear, for an infection.  It didn't work, but it did work marvelously
for cat bites (on me).   I don't see any reason not to try it.   You have
to protect the cat's eyes (and your own) during treatment.


On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Wow. I love holistic approaches, but I'd be afraid my cats would die from
 stress related illness before the stomatitis was cured. I have to wrap them
 in a towel to get meds in them. Do you mix it in their food?
 I have heard great things about the laser procedure.

 Beth
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 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:17 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 *Thank you – looking at it, I honestly don’t believe that I would be able
 to manage giving it all to the 2 very skittish FIV+ cats, maybe one day…*
 *But I will file it away to use on cats who would allow me to do this!*
 *Natalie  =^..^=*
 *  *
 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 Holistic Stomatitis Protocol

 Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones.   These
 the supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't
 optional.  What seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics
 along with Coptis Purge Fire.  You may have to continue with Coptis Purge
 Fire forever.   We've just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have
 not tried stopping the supplements.   It's better than extractions, which
 some say only work 50% of the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.


 Supplements
 Health Concerns  Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)
 CoQ10  30mg (Dr. Clark)
 Vitamin A  25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)
 Vitamin E (dry, no soy)  200 IU (may be optional)
 Lysine  500mg
 Standard Process Whole Body Support  1/2 to 1 tablet
 Standard Process Immune Support  1 tablet
 Tumeric  450mg   1/2 capsule

 Can also try:
 Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)


 Palliative Homeopathy
 (as opposed to Classical---not really recommended, but here for
 completeness)
 Mercurius 30C


 Meds
 Antibiotics if really, really bad infections.  Can do it once to get
 things to a level at which the cat can recover with supplements.  Use
 probiotics separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.


 Cleanings
 Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean.  In Los Angeles, Kim
 Haba is an excellent dental tech (see below) who can do such cleanings.
 Don't feed ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use
 calcium carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about
 1400 mg per pound of ground meat).


 Topical
 Oxyfresh in the water.


 Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture
 (the alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums
 once or twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too
 sensitive for this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.


 Diet
 Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org   My recipe with local suppliers
 available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com



 Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle
 http://holisticanimaldoctor.com  and the forum folks on
 http://holisticat.com


 Dental cleanings in the Los Angeles area:
 Four Paws Dental Care
 Anesthesia Free Teeth Cleaning for Dogs and Cats
 Kim Haba
 310-699.0036
 k...@fourpawsdentalcare.com



 On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Kathryn,
 I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I
 thought that I saved it, but can’t find it.
 I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis –
 one case is severe, one just a little.
 However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on
 them?
 Natalie  =^..^=

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[tamara stickler]

Natalie,
 
This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.
 
Check into it!
 
T

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM







Kathryn,
I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.
I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  
However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?
Natalie  =^..^=
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[GRAS]

I will, thank you!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 


Natalie,

 

This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.

 

Check into it!

 

T

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM

Kathryn,

I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.

I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  

However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?

Natalie  =^..^=


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[Susan Hoffman]

Also not holistic but effective...
 
I have a foster who had stomatitis and regenerative tissue gingivitis.  
Removing the teeth did not help.  Her gums were purple and she could not eat.  
She had two sessions with a laser, under anesthesia, and weeks of buprenex, 
prednisone and clindamycin, but she's been off all meds for a couple of months 
now and it seems that she really is OK now.



From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

I will, thank you!
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 
Natalie,
 
This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.
 
Check into it!
 
T

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM
Kathryn,
I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.
I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  
However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?
Natalie  =^..^=

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[Beth]

I had great luck with L-lysine


Beth 

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 From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 

Also not holistic but effective...
 
I have a foster who had stomatitis and regenerative tissue gingivitis.  
Removing the teeth did not help.  Her gums were purple and she could not eat.  
She had two sessions with a laser, under anesthesia, and weeks of buprenex, 
prednisone and clindamycin, but she's been off all meds for a couple of months 
now and it seems that she really is OK now.

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 
I will, thank you!
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 
Natalie,
 
This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.
 
Check into it!
 
T

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM
Kathryn,
I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.
I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  
However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?
Natalie  =^..^=

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[GRAS]

I also know someone who had the cat’s teeth extracted – it didn’t work, and she 
wished that she hadn’t done it.  However, I also know someone whose cat was 
helped with teeth extraction!  I’m not willing to take that chance because 
there’s even less guarantee with FIV+ cats!

 

Now I really have to look into the cold laser treatment!  FIV+ Sox is really 
miserable, and gets a prednisone injection every three months!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 

Also not holistic but effective...

 

I have a foster who had stomatitis and regenerative tissue gingivitis.  
Removing the teeth did not help.  Her gums were purple and she could not eat.  
She had two sessions with a laser, under anesthesia, and weeks of buprenex, 
prednisone and clindamycin, but she's been off all meds for a couple of months 
now and it seems that she really is OK now.

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

I will, thank you!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 


Natalie,

 

This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.

 

Check into it!

 

T

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM

Kathryn,

I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.

I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  

However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?

Natalie  =^..^=


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[Natalie]

I can try that, too!  I would have to mix it into the food for the 5 FIV+ cats!

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 

I had great luck with L-lysine

 

Beth 

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http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 

Also not holistic but effective...

 

I have a foster who had stomatitis and regenerative tissue gingivitis.  
Removing the teeth did not help.  Her gums were purple and she could not eat.  
She had two sessions with a laser, under anesthesia, and weeks of buprenex, 
prednisone and clindamycin, but she's been off all meds for a couple of months 
now and it seems that she really is OK now.

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

I will, thank you!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 


Natalie,

 

This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.

 

Check into it!

 

T

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM

Kathryn,

I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.

I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  

However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?

Natalie  =^..^=


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[Beth]

You can get it in a syringe so it is pre-measured. There is a powder you can 
put in the food, but I haven't had good luck getting them to eat it in wet food.

 
Beth

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 

I can try that, too!  I would have to mix it into the food for the 5 FIV+ cats!
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I had great luck with L-lysine
 
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[Natalie]

 

The problem is that some of the FIV+ boys would be hard to medicate..they're
still very skittish unless I want to have a big fight every day by
restraining them!

 

I'll have to taste it to see if they would eat the food with it.I wonder
which tastes better, liquid or powder?

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 

You can get it in a syringe so it is pre-measured. There is a powder you can
put in the food, but I haven't had good luck getting them to eat it in wet
food.

 
Beth

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 

I can try that, too!  I would have to mix it into the food for the 5 FIV+
cats!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 

I had great luck with L-lysine

 

Beth 

 

 

 

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[Beth]

I think the powder comes fish flavored, not that that made any difference to my cats.BethDon't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis   The problem is that some of the FIV+ boys would be hard to medicate….they’re still very skittish unless I want to have a big fight every day by restraining them! I’ll have to taste it to see if they would eat the food with it…I wonder which tastes better, liquid or powder?From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of BethSent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 3:44 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis You can get it in a syringe so it is pre-measured. There is a powder you can put in the food, but I haven't had good luck getting them to eat it in wet food.BethDon't Litter, Fix Your Critter!www.Furkids.org From: Natalie at...@optonline.netTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:12 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis I can try that, too! I would have to mix it into the food for the 5 FIV+ cats!From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of BethSent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] StomatitisI had great luck with L-lysineBeth___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

Holistic Stomatitis Protocol

Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones.   These
the supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't
optional.  What seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics
along with Coptis Purge Fire.  You may have to continue with Coptis Purge
Fire forever.   We've just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have
not tried stopping the supplements.   It's better than extractions, which
some say only work 50% of the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.


Supplements
Health Concerns  Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)
CoQ10  30mg (Dr. Clark)
Vitamin A  25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)
Vitamin E (dry, no soy)  200 IU (may be optional)
Lysine  500mg
Standard Process Whole Body Support  1/2 to 1 tablet
Standard Process Immune Support  1 tablet
Tumeric  450mg   1/2 capsule

Can also try:
Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)


Palliative Homeopathy
(as opposed to Classical---not really recommended, but here for
completeness)
Mercurius 30C


Meds
Antibiotics if really, really bad infections.  Can do it once to get things
to a level at which the cat can recover with supplements.  Use probiotics
separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.


Cleanings
Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean.  In Los Angeles, Kim
Haba is an excellent dental tech (see below) who can do such cleanings.
Don't feed ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use
calcium carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about
1400 mg per pound of ground meat).


Topical
Oxyfresh in the water.


Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture
(the alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums
once or twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too
sensitive for this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.


Diet
Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org   My recipe with local suppliers
available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com



Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle
http://holisticanimaldoctor.com  and the forum folks on
http://holisticat.com


Dental cleanings in the Los Angeles area:
Four Paws Dental Care
Anesthesia Free Teeth Cleaning for Dogs and Cats
Kim Haba
310-699.0036
k...@fourpawsdentalcare.com




On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Kathryn,

 I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I
 thought that I saved it, but can’t find it.

 I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis –
 one case is severe, one just a little.  

 However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on
 them?

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Natalie]

Thank you – looking at it, I honestly don’t believe that I would be able to 
manage giving it all to the 2 very skittish FIV+ cats, maybe one day…

But I will file it away to use on cats who would allow me to do this!

Natalie  =^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 

Holistic Stomatitis Protocol

Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones.   These the 
supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't optional.  What 
seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics along with Coptis 
Purge Fire.  You may have to continue with Coptis Purge Fire forever.   We've 
just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have not tried stopping the 
supplements.   It's better than extractions, which some say only work 50% of 
the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.


Supplements
Health Concerns  Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)
CoQ10  30mg (Dr. Clark)
Vitamin A  25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)
Vitamin E (dry, no soy)  200 IU (may be optional)
Lysine  500mg
Standard Process Whole Body Support  1/2 to 1 tablet
Standard Process Immune Support  1 tablet
Tumeric  450mg   1/2 capsule  

Can also try:
Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)


Palliative Homeopathy
(as opposed to Classical---not really recommended, but here for completeness)
Mercurius 30C


Meds
Antibiotics if really, really bad infections.  Can do it once to get things to 
a level at which the cat can recover with supplements.  Use probiotics 
separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.


Cleanings
Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean.  In Los Angeles, Kim Haba is 
an excellent dental tech (see below) who can do such cleanings.  Don't feed 
ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use calcium 
carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about 1400 mg per 
pound of ground meat).


Topical
Oxyfresh in the water.


Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture (the 
alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums once or 
twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too sensitive for 
this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.


Diet
Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org   My recipe with local suppliers 
available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com



Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle http://holisticanimaldoctor.com  
and the forum folks on http://holisticat.com


Dental cleanings in the Los Angeles area:
Four Paws Dental Care
Anesthesia Free Teeth Cleaning for Dogs and Cats
Kim Haba
310-699.0036
k...@fourpawsdentalcare.com





On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

Kathryn,

I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.

I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  

However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?

Natalie  =^..^=


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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 

 

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

 


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ 

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

As I wrote at the top, you can try just the abx just once and then Coptis
Purge Fire.   We really didn't know what had helped, but things started
getting better when we did those two.  The Coptis Purge Fire can go into
food, especially if you introduce it slowly, just a pinch to begin with.
You can crush the tablet or use a mortar and pestle.


On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 *Thank you – looking at it, I honestly don’t believe that I would be able
 to manage giving it all to the 2 very skittish FIV+ cats, maybe one day…*

 *But I will file it away to use on cats who would allow me to do this!*

 *Natalie  =^..^=*

 * *

 *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM

 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 ** **

 Holistic Stomatitis Protocol


 Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones.   These
 the supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't
 optional.  What seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics
 along with Coptis Purge Fire.  You may have to continue with Coptis Purge
 Fire forever.   We've just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have
 not tried stopping the supplements.   It's better than extractions, which
 some say only work 50% of the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.


 Supplements
 Health Concerns  Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)
 CoQ10  30mg (Dr. Clark)
 Vitamin A  25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)
 Vitamin E (dry, no soy)  200 IU (may be optional)
 Lysine  500mg
 Standard Process Whole Body Support  1/2 to 1 tablet
 Standard Process Immune Support  1 tablet
 Tumeric  450mg   1/2 capsule

 Can also try:
 Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)


 Palliative Homeopathy
 (as opposed to Classical---not really recommended, but here for
 completeness)
 Mercurius 30C


 Meds
 Antibiotics if really, really bad infections.  Can do it once to get
 things to a level at which the cat can recover with supplements.  Use
 probiotics separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.


 Cleanings
 Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean.  In Los Angeles, Kim
 Haba is an excellent dental tech (see below) who can do such cleanings.
 Don't feed ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use
 calcium carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about
 1400 mg per pound of ground meat).


 Topical
 Oxyfresh in the water.


 Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture
 (the alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums
 once or twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too
 sensitive for this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.


 Diet
 Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org   My recipe with local suppliers
 available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com



 Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle
 http://holisticanimaldoctor.com  and the forum folks on
 http://holisticat.com


 Dental cleanings in the Los Angeles area:
 Four Paws Dental Care
 Anesthesia Free Teeth Cleaning for Dogs and Cats
 Kim Haba
 310-699.0036
 k...@fourpawsdentalcare.com



 

 On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Kathryn,

 I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I
 thought that I saved it, but can’t find it.

 I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis –
 one case is severe, one just a little.  

 However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on
 them?

 Natalie  =^..^=


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 ** **

 If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save
 their life.  Contact your local pound for information. 

 ** **

 If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
 to free up cage space.

 ** **


 Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
 implementing the No Kill Equation:
 http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

 Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
 http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

 Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

 More fun reading:
 http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

 More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Lee Evans]

I'm filing it in my Important Mail folder.  I think Romeo would kill me half 
way through the protocol though.  But I could try.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 

Thank you – looking at it, I honestly don’t believe that I would be able to 
manage giving it all to the 2 very skittish FIV+ cats, maybe one day…
But I will file it away to use on cats who would allow me to do this!
Natalie  =^..^=
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 
Holistic Stomatitis Protocol

Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones.   These the 
supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't optional.  What 
seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics along with Coptis 
Purge Fire.  You may have to continue with Coptis Purge Fire forever.   We've 
just gotten rid of the stomatitis symptoms and have not tried stopping the 
supplements.   It's better than extractions, which some say only work 50% of 
the time, and are expensive and invasive to boot.


Supplements
Health Concerns  Coptis Purge Fire (2 tablets if 1 doesn't work)
CoQ10  30mg (Dr. Clark)
Vitamin A  25000 IU (Metagenics Mycelized Drops)
Vitamin E (dry, no soy)  200 IU (may be optional)
Lysine  500mg
Standard Process Whole Body Support  1/2 to 1 tablet
Standard Process Immune Support  1 tablet
Tumeric  450mg   1/2 capsule  

Can also try:
Colostrum 100mg / Lactoferrin 10mg (separate from food)


Palliative Homeopathy
(as opposed to Classical---not really recommended, but here for completeness)
Mercurius 30C


Meds
Antibiotics if really, really bad infections.  Can do it once to get things to 
a level at which the cat can recover with supplements.  Use probiotics 
separately (that is, at least an hour apart) for stomach flora.


Cleanings
Non-anesthetic sonic cleanings to keep gums clean.  In Los Angeles, Kim Haba is 
an excellent dental tech (see below) who can do such cleanings.  Don't feed 
ground bones if they are getting caught in any gum pockets; use calcium 
carbonate supplments instead to balance the Ca:Phos ratio (about 1400 mg per 
pound of ground meat).


Topical
Oxyfresh in the water.


Pus in gums: Myrhh. Make a dilution by adding 1 teaspoon of the tincture (the 
alcoholic extract) to a cup of water. Gently apply this to the gums once or 
twice a day. Either use a soft toothbrush or, if the gums are too sensitive for 
this, flush the gums with this solution using a syringe.


Diet
Raw diet, per http://catnutrition.org   My recipe with local suppliers 
available on request from khargrea...@gmail.com    



Developed with the help of Dr. Audra MacCorkle http://holisticanimaldoctor.com  
and the forum folks on http://holisticat.com


Dental cleanings in the Los Angeles area:
Four Paws Dental Care
Anesthesia Free Teeth Cleaning for Dogs and Cats
Kim Haba
310-699.0036
k...@fourpawsdentalcare.com




On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
Kathryn,
I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.
I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  
However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?
Natalie  =^..^=

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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 
 
If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.
 

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

[czadna sacarawicz]

THANK YOU FOR THIS FASCINATING DISCUSSION.
 
I want to come at this from a different viewpoint - -related to intestinal 
issues
 
You have all read about Yahmuna here (FIV+)  with chronic respiratory issues.  
Yes, she has gingivitis.  Yes, most recently she was on a  2 week course of 
doxycycline (that was in Jan - - nothing since).
 
When she came to my patio Nov 2010 she looked pregnant.  She had tape worm, . . 
.
 
The week following my adopting her back from the SPCA (Jan 2012) she was wormed 
with a topical wormer with amazing results.  I came back with strongid.  My 
assessment is that she still has worms.
 
any comments re:  stomatitis/gingivitis and worms?
 
any advise?
 
Thanks
 
cz
 

 

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[GRAS]

Thank you so much!  FIV+ Sox is actually the first one I ever had to suffer
from stomatitis.  I will definitely have him checked for bartonella - it's
great to have all these great  thinking minds in one group! Natalie =^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kat Parker
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 4:07 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

 

This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have an
FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of
mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis.   Don't know if this will help
anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have problems
with stomatitis:

Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to
Bartonella.  In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a
sentence saying that they have now found a connection between
Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats.  A lot of cats carry Bartonella
(also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)!
So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her
teeth.  The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin.  Since
discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis
test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro.
I found a few links and pasted below.
Julia

http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html

 

 


An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a
specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of
cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for
this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on
Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin
that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms
of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are
strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70%
responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a
causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats
do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but
the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated
have improved substantially.



Love and Katnip,   
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

[Lee Evans]

I have had a couple of cats who were suspected of having Bartonella but the vet 
gave them doxycycline. It seemed to have cleared up the Bartonella.  I 
currently have one cat with stomatitis, not an FIV cat and another negative cat 
who seems to be getting stomatitis.  Romeo, who has it,  is on a steroid shot 
whenever I see that it's getting too serious.  He also got the long acting 
antibiotic convenia.  It really seemed to help him.  I wish some researcher who 
cares about cats did serious studies of what is causing stomatitis.  It is so 
painful for the cats and expensive to keep under control.




 From: Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 3:06 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment
 

This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have an 
FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of 
mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis.   Don't know if this will help 
anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have problems 
with stomatitis:

Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to
Bartonella.  In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a
sentence saying that they have now found a connection between
Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats.  A lot of cats carry Bartonella
(also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)!
So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her
teeth.  The treatment is just a
 round of Azithromycin.  Since
discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis
test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro.
I found a few links and pasted below.
Julia

http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html
 
 
An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a
specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of
cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for
this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on
Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin
that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms
of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are
strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than
 70%
responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a
causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats
do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but
the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated
have improved substantially.



Love and Katnip,               
              ~Kat~    =^,,^=


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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

[Kathryn Hargreaves]

The Chinese Medicine theory my holistic vet had was that if abx helped
(which they seemed to with my cats, and apparently with others'), then that
was cooling the fire coming from the stomach.   So, that's why the Coptis
Purge Fire helped, after initially getting the heat coming from the stomach
down to a level that the herbs could handle.   Note that with my cats,
things did not clear completely until several months after the initial abx
followed by being on the Coptis Purge Fire.


On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have had a couple of cats who were suspected of having Bartonella but
 the vet gave them doxycycline. It seemed to have cleared up the
 Bartonella.  I currently have one cat with stomatitis, not an FIV cat and
 another negative cat who seems to be getting stomatitis.  Romeo, who has
 it,  is on a steroid shot whenever I see that it's getting too serious.  He
 also got the long acting antibiotic convenia.  It really seemed to help
 him.  I wish some researcher who cares about cats did serious studies of
 what is causing stomatitis.  It is so painful for the cats and expensive to
 keep under control.

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 *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2012 3:06 AM

 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

 *This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have
 an FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of
 mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis.   Don't know if this will
 help anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have
 problems with stomatitis:

 *Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to
 Bartonella.  In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a
 sentence saying that they have now found a connection between
 Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats.  A lot of cats carry Bartonella
 (also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)!
 So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her
 teeth.  The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin.  Since
 discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis
 test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro.
 I found a few links and pasted below.
 Julia

 http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html



 An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a
 specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of
 cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for
 this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on
 Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin
 that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms
 of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are
 strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70%
 responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a
 causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats
 do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but
 the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated
 have improved substantially.

 *

 Love and Katnip,
   ~Kat~ =^,,^=
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

[Laurieskatz]

I agree with Sharyl. Go to a specialist.
Several of my cats (feLV-) have gingivitis. They need dental cleanings every
18 -24 months. There are usually teeth extracted. My 13 year old Coco has
only 9 teeth and 3 canines left. In the past my cats have had eating issues
and other problems after their dentals. We found a dental specialist in the
next city and have had much better results. He uses a mild sedative rather
than the heavy anesthesia the other vets used. He has an xray machine to
look at the roots of the teeth.
Btw, if your kitty has stomatitis there are options other than extractions
for that disease.
Good luck!
laurie
 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

Thank you, Sharyl - it's not what I wanted to hear, but it's what I needed 
to hear if that makes any sense. I left the appointment yesterday with more 
questions than I had going into it. I love Tommy's holistic vet, but 
dentistry isn't her specialty, and I feel that I owe it to him to take him 
to a dental specialist. I have located a clinic relatively close to me that 
has a veterinary dentist on staff.

Thank you so much for your reply.

Lisa

--
From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

 Lisa, I know you don't want to hear this but dental prob;ems can lead to a

 whole bunch of other issues if not addressed.  Tommy needs to be examined 
 by a vet familiar with dental issues.

 He may have periodontal disease (inflamed gums) which can lead to heart 
 and kidney issues.  Treatment could be as simple as an antibiotic.  FORLs 
 is another issue which is very painful.  Dental issues can be very painful

 and affect his willingness to eat.  The longer you wait the worse the 
 problem will get.

 I know dental surgery can be scary but with the proper precautions should 
 not be that dangerous.  Here is a link to info from a CRF website on 
 precautions to be used during the surgery.
 http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#dental_precautions

 I would make sure your vet followed these precautions.
 Hugs to Tommy
 Sharyl

 --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net wrote:

 From: Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 6:28 AM
 This past week, my one year old FeLV+
 kitty (Tommy) started pawing at the left side of his face. I
 suspected an ear infection, so I took him to his holistic
 vet. His ears were clean and had no inflammation. The ONLY
 thing she saw was some inflammation around one of his back
 teeth where some enamel was rubbing off. She told me this
 was common, and the only way to fix it is to have the tooth
 removed. My first reaction was, I don't want to put him
 under anesthesia. But he seems so withdrawn and depressed,
 like he's in pain. I just don't know what to do. I did
 notice redness along his gum line on both sides of his mouth
 as we were looking at his teeth yesterday.

 Any advice or words of wisdom would be appreciated.

 Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

[Lisa Borden]

Thank you, Laurie - we have an appointment for Saturday with a dental 
specialist.


Lisa

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?


I agree with Sharyl. Go to a specialist.
Several of my cats (feLV-) have gingivitis. They need dental cleanings 
every

18 -24 months. There are usually teeth extracted. My 13 year old Coco has
only 9 teeth and 3 canines left. In the past my cats have had eating 
issues
and other problems after their dentals. We found a dental specialist in 
the

next city and have had much better results. He uses a mild sedative rather
than the heavy anesthesia the other vets used. He has an xray machine to
look at the roots of the teeth.
Btw, if your kitty has stomatitis there are options other than extractions
for that disease.
Good luck!
laurie


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

Thank you, Sharyl - it's not what I wanted to hear, but it's what I needed
to hear if that makes any sense. I left the appointment yesterday with 
more

questions than I had going into it. I love Tommy's holistic vet, but
dentistry isn't her specialty, and I feel that I owe it to him to take him
to a dental specialist. I have located a clinic relatively close to me 
that

has a veterinary dentist on staff.

Thank you so much for your reply.

Lisa

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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

Lisa, I know you don't want to hear this but dental prob;ems can lead to 
a



whole bunch of other issues if not addressed.  Tommy needs to be examined
by a vet familiar with dental issues.

He may have periodontal disease (inflamed gums) which can lead to heart
and kidney issues.  Treatment could be as simple as an antibiotic.  FORLs
is another issue which is very painful.  Dental issues can be very 
painful



and affect his willingness to eat.  The longer you wait the worse the
problem will get.

I know dental surgery can be scary but with the proper precautions should
not be that dangerous.  Here is a link to info from a CRF website on
precautions to be used during the surgery.
http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#dental_precautions

I would make sure your vet followed these precautions.
Hugs to Tommy
Sharyl

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wrote:



From: Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 6:28 AM
This past week, my one year old FeLV+
kitty (Tommy) started pawing at the left side of his face. I
suspected an ear infection, so I took him to his holistic
vet. His ears were clean and had no inflammation. The ONLY
thing she saw was some inflammation around one of his back
teeth where some enamel was rubbing off. She told me this
was common, and the only way to fix it is to have the tooth
removed. My first reaction was, I don't want to put him
under anesthesia. But he seems so withdrawn and depressed,
like he's in pain. I just don't know what to do. I did
notice redness along his gum line on both sides of his mouth
as we were looking at his teeth yesterday.

Any advice or words of wisdom would be appreciated.

Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

[Laurieskatz]

LTCI is one treatment vets are looking at and there is a cat I know who gets
a medication the first five days of each month. She has had some extractions
but not her entire mouth like some do. The entire mouth extraction, I am
told, works in about 60% of the cases. If you check archives on LTCI you
will find some info on it there. I believe using it for stomatitis is new.
Actually, our internal medicine vet here is getting a report from a
veterinary dentist who presented a talk on LTCI for stomatitis. I hope to
have more info about this soon that I can share.
Laurie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Shrout
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

Laurie, you said there are options other than extractions -- what are they?
I have a cat (not a positive) who supposedly has stomatitis. She had not
been eating well for awhile, and I noticed while she was eating she would
kind of sniffle and breathe hard through her nose.  So I took her to the
vet, had blood work done, and stomatitis was the diagnosis -- he said she
was inflamed around the gums and there was a red line evident.
They suggested a teeth cleaning and possible extractions. I have heard so
many nightmare stories aboout the anesthesia (causing death), and he even
said he would not recommend it at her age. She's about 12 -- not sure, she
was a stray. So I got antibiotics, did not get the steroid shot he
recommended (which was pending the blood test), and they also recommended
C.E.T drinking water additive. She did not like the CET, nor did my other
cats.

I decided to give her Petzlife Oral Gel to see how that might work. I think
it has made a difference, although I don't know how much yet. She will not
let me look in her mouth (she's very fiesty!). I used that product on
another cat I have (a positive with terrible breath and mouth) after my vet
recommended a cleaning.  After about 3 months the vet told me her mouth
looked good. I couldn't believe that it could work that well. But I would be
very interested in any other advice for stomatitis, as everyone has said
that it is very painful.
Thanks for any advice,
Tracey

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 I agree with Sharyl. Go to a specialist.
 Several of my cats (feLV-) have gingivitis. They need dental cleanings
 every
 18 -24 months. There are usually teeth extracted. My 13 year old Coco has
 only 9 teeth and 3 canines left. In the past my cats have had eating
issues
 and other problems after their dentals. We found a dental specialist in
the
 next city and have had much better results. He uses a mild sedative rather
 than the heavy anesthesia the other vets used. He has an xray machine to
 look at the roots of the teeth.
 Btw, if your kitty has stomatitis there are options other than extractions
 for that disease.
 Good luck!
 laurie


 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden
 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:45 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

 Thank you, Sharyl - it's not what I wanted to hear, but it's what I needed
 to hear if that makes any sense. I left the appointment yesterday with
more
 questions than I had going into it. I love Tommy's holistic vet, but
 dentistry isn't her specialty, and I feel that I owe it to him to take him
 to a dental specialist. I have located a clinic relatively close to me
that
 has a veterinary dentist on staff.

 Thank you so much for your reply.

 Lisa

 --
 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:20 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

  Lisa, I know you don't want to hear this but dental prob;ems can lead to
 a

  whole bunch of other issues if not addressed.  Tommy needs to be
examined
  by a vet familiar with dental issues.
 
  He may have periodontal disease (inflamed gums) which can lead to heart
  and kidney issues.  Treatment could be as simple as an antibiotic.
FORLs
  is another issue which is very painful.  Dental issues can be very
 painful

  and affect his willingness to eat.  The longer you wait the worse the
  problem will get.
 
  I know dental surgery can be scary but with the proper precautions
should
  not be that dangerous.  Here is a link to info from a CRF website on
  precautions to be used during the surgery.
  http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#dental_precautions
 
  I would make sure your vet followed these precautions.
  Hugs to Tommy
  Sharyl
 
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 wrote:
 
  From: Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday

Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Alice hanson]

vitamin E 200 I.u.'s human dose, once a week. if your cat doesn''t like it 
(mine chews it up and swallows it willingly, the only med that she will take 
without a fight and she is missing 8 teeth), you can cut it and squeeze the goo 
onto the affected area. This clears it up all the time for my cat. OR, there is 
this expensive ointment that is usually used for dogs, that my vet gives me. 
Mupirocin Ointment, 2 % 22gm. that works too. IT also lasts a LONG time.  My 
cat eats both dry and wet,and prefers the dry. I grind up the grilled or sliced 
varieties of fancy feast wet to tiny morsel size, and they will eat it that 
way. It makes the tiny cans last longer and they still have the texture that 
they perfer. Hope this helps. You guys don't hear from me much because one of 
your members got mean to me and smeared my name and ruined my reputation on 
this site. But I am overlooking this because I DO know what helps the kitty in 
this instance. I wish you and your kitty well,
alice
  From: lernermiche...@aol.commailto:lernermiche...@aol.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:54 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis


  Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had 
his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics 
post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 
pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all 
gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched to 
clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then went to a potential 
adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us to get him 
back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, 
and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet 
food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. 
I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For those 
of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend?

  thanks,
  Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Heather]

We had a rescue this year with stomatitis, his mouth was in terrible shape
and he had to have all but his canines extracted.   He was treated for
Bartonella as well which may or may not have (controversial--everything
related to bartonella seems to be controversial) related to the stomatitis,
and was also put on Atopica.   He did AMAZINGLY and went from daily Atopica
to every other day and now has been weaned from it, is up to 15 lbs and
eating like a champ.

My understanding is that Atopica is safer than the steriods but not sure if
it depends on the situation as to what is best.

My vet also mentioned Bovine Lactoferrin as a supplement to try if he didn't
respond to the Atopica but we didn't since he did so well.  You can buy it
on Amazone (the bovine lactoferrin).

Good luck to you  your kitty!

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We
 had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of
 antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot
 more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the
 redness was all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin
 then switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then went
 to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called
 for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He
 is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he
 eats and can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His
 gums are very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none
 had stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it,
 what do you recommend?

 thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Debbie Bates]

Just wondering...when my sister's cat was having a flair up, they put him on 
steroids...is this not done any longer?

Debbie (COL)
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:26 -0500
 From: lernermiche...@aol.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis
 
 Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had 
 his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics 
 post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 
 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was 
 all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then 
 switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a 
 potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us 
 to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back 
 on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and 
 can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are 
 very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had 
 stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do 
 you recommend?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Gloria Lane]

Yes that's one standard way that vets treat it.  But when it gets bad  
you can't just increase steroid dosage without some other risks.


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Just wondering...when my sister's cat was having a flair up, they  
put him on steroids...is this not done any longer?


Debbie (COL)
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:54:26 -0500
From: lernermiche...@aol.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We  
stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched  
to clavamox) and he remained ok for a few days. He then went to a  
potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she  
called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really  
bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but  
is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up  
into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6  
FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For  
those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend?


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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Cougar Clan]

She used lasers, flower essences, and some compounds I don't  
remember.  She uses Standard Process produces and probiotics.  Her  
name is Betty Boswell (E. A. Boswell) and can be reached at  
502.499.9663. I believe she does telephone consultations.  If you  
decide to call her (and if you like) you may tell her Marylyn referred  
you and that she is free to talk about Dixie Louise Doodle's case.

On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:56 PM, Gloria Lane wrote:


What treatment did your alternative vet use?

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On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com  
wrote:


I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with  
numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+.  She  
was fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too,  
believe the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more  
peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please  
try her.

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote:

Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis.  I'd never seen a  
huge, emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and  
screaming and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him!   
Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of  
FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to  
try steroid.  I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did  
very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a  
raw diet.  He was actually physically and mentally excellent until  
we noticed a swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his  
ending was helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the  
few days before we opted to have him eithanized.


Janine





From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made  
my kitty cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent,  
kitty comes down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as  
needed (worked pretty well)


There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the  
name right now, have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure  
there are some other options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be  
called by several different things...


Best of luck,

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone.  
We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then  
switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then  
went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week  
later she called for us to get him back, largely because his  
mouth got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been  
for a few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet  
food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very  
inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had  
stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had  
it, what do you recommend?


thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Gloria B. Lane]

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made my  
kitty cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent,  
kitty comes down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as needed  
(worked pretty well)


There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the name  
right now, have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure there  
are some other options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be called by  
several different things...


Best of luck,

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We  
stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched to  
clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then went to a  
potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she  
called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really  
bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but  
is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up  
into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6  
FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For  
those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend?


thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[janine paton]

Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis.  I'd never seen a huge, emaciated 
cat try to eat but run backwards growling and screaming and pawing at his face, 
and boy, was I afraid of him!  Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use 
steroid because of FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet 
wanted to try steroid.  I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did 
very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a raw diet.  
He was actually physically and mentally excellent until we noticed a swelling 
that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his ending was helped with the 
homeopathy and he did well until the few days before we opted to have him 
eithanized.  

Janine





From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made my kitty 
cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent, kitty comes 
down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as needed (worked 
pretty well)

There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the name right now, 
have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure there are some other 
options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be called by several different 
things...

Best of luck,

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad stomatitis. We had 
 his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and after a few weeks of antibiotics 
 post-dental surgery he was doing much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 
 3 pounds in 3 weeks, not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was 
 all gone. We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then 
 switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then went to a 
 potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she called for us 
 to get him back, largely because his mouth got really bad again. He is back 
 on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but is growling when he eats and 
 can only eat wet food that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are 
 very inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had 
 stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do 
 you recommend?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Cougar Clan]

I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with  
numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+.  She was  
fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too, believe  
the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more  
peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please try  
her.

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote:

Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis.  I'd never seen a huge,  
emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and screaming  
and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him!  Vet pulled  
teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of FIV status  
but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to try steroid.   
I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did very well for 2  
years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a raw diet.  He was  
actually physically and mentally excellent until we noticed a  
swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his ending was  
helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the few days before  
we opted to have him eithanized.


Janine





From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made my  
kitty cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent,  
kitty comes down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as needed  
(worked pretty well)


There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the name  
right now, have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure there  
are some other options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be called  
by several different things...


Best of luck,

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone. We  
stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then switched  
to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then went to a  
potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week later she  
called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth got really  
bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a few days, but  
is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food that we break up  
into very small pieces. His gums are very inflamed again. I had 6  
FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had stomatitis like this. For  
those of you whose cats have it or had it, what do you recommend?


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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Gloria Lane]

What treatment did your alternative vet use?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com  
wrote:


I can't say enough for the alternative vet who has helped me with  
numerous four-legged friends including Dixie who was FeLV+.  She was  
fine until a few days before she left this world and I, too, believe  
the alternative treatment helped her leave this world more  
peacefully. If you have an alternative vet in the area, please  
try her.

On Dec 13, 2009, at 5:03 PM, janine paton wrote:

Took in an FIV cat with very bad stomatitis.  I'd never seen a  
huge, emaciated cat try to eat but run backwards growling and  
screaming and pawing at his face, and boy, was I afraid of him!   
Vet pulled teeth, was reluctant at first to use steroid because of  
FIV status but after a month, very bad flare-up so vet wanted to  
try steroid.  I found an excellent homeopath instead and Kohl did  
very well for 2 years with this (rather intensive treatment) and a  
raw diet.  He was actually physically and mentally excellent until  
we noticed a swelling that was dx as an oral cancer, but even his  
ending was helped with the homeopathy and he did well until the few  
days before we opted to have him eithanized.


Janine





From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

I'll have to think - for Stomatitis/gingivitis, I've used
1) pulling the teeth (seems to work well)
2) Oral dexamethasone (some folks have good luck with that - made  
my kitty cough a little but helped somewhat)
3) Monthly Demo (steroid) shot - nice but if it gets too frequent,  
kitty comes down with other things
4) Convenia antibiotic shot, followed by oral Axithromycin as  
needed (worked pretty well)


There's another oral med that I've tried but can't remember the  
name right now, have to look it up.  It was pretty good.  I'm sure  
there are some other options.  As I understand, Stomatitis can be  
called by several different things...


Best of luck,

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 3:54 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

Hi. I'm fostering an FIV+ cat right now who has pretty bad  
stomatitis. We had his teeth cleaned and 6 of them removed, and  
after a few weeks of antibiotics post-dental surgery he was doing  
much much better-- eating a lot more, gained 3 pounds in 3 weeks,  
not seeming to have any mouth pain and the redness was all gone.  
We stopped the antibiotics (which had been clindamycin then  
switched to clavamox) and he remained ok for  a few days. He then  
went to a potential adoptive home with another FIV+ cat. A week  
later she called for us to get him back, largely because his mouth  
got really bad again. He is back on Clavamox, and has been for a  
few days, but is growling when he eats and can only eat wet food  
that we break up into very small pieces. His gums are very  
inflamed again. I had 6 FeLV+ cats, but was lucky that none had  
stomatitis like this. For those of you whose cats have it or had  
it, what do you recommend?


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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[S. Jewell]

Michelle, 

No amount of antibiotics will do for your cat's stomatitis
what ascorbic acid will do.  See
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int
_assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htmstomatit for an idea of how
much to use for different similar conditions in animals.  I
would put the cat on oral vitamin C or subcutaneous or
intramuscular injections of sodium ascorbate.  Better yet
would be asking your vet to put the cat on intravenous
vitamin C (in a sodium chloride drip) from McGuff -
http://www.mcguffpharmaceuticals.com/ascor_l_NC.htm.  I can
give you the protocol for your vet if you would like to have
it.  The key is dosage - using enough vitamin C for long
enough to clear the infection and inflammation (again, see
the general guidelines in the Belfield paper).  Vitamin C
used in any of these forms is safe, nontoxic and highly
therapeutic for a myriad of conditions in animals when given
in sufficient doses.  



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[S. Jewell]

Michelle, 

No amount of antibiotics will do for your cat's stomatitis
what ascorbic acid will do.  See
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int
_assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htmstomatit for an idea of how
much to use for different similar conditions in animals.  I
would put the cat on oral vitamin C or subcutaneous or
intramuscular injections of sodium ascorbate.  Better yet
would be asking your vet to put the cat on intravenous
vitamin C (in a sodium chloride drip) from McGuff -
http://www.mcguffpharmaceuticals.com/ascor_l_NC.htm.  I can
give you the protocol for your vet if you would like to have
it.  The key is dosage - using enough vitamin C for long
enough to clear the infection and inflammation (again, see
the general guidelines in the Belfield paper).  Vitamin C
used in any of these forms is safe, nontoxic and highly
therapeutic for a myriad of conditions in animals when given
in sufficient doses.  



Sally Snyder Jewell
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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[Gloria B. Lane]

That's interesting  I'll start that (orally) with a cat I have.

Gloria



On Dec 13, 2009, at 9:55 PM, S. Jewell wrote:


Michelle,

No amount of antibiotics will do for your cat's stomatitis
what ascorbic acid will do.  See
http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int
_assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htmstomatit for an idea of how
much to use for different similar conditions in animals.  I
would put the cat on oral vitamin C or subcutaneous or
intramuscular injections of sodium ascorbate.  Better yet
would be asking your vet to put the cat on intravenous
vitamin C (in a sodium chloride drip) from McGuff -
http://www.mcguffpharmaceuticals.com/ascor_l_NC.htm.  I can
give you the protocol for your vet if you would like to have
it.  The key is dosage - using enough vitamin C for long
enough to clear the infection and inflammation (again, see
the general guidelines in the Belfield paper).  Vitamin C
used in any of these forms is safe, nontoxic and highly
therapeutic for a myriad of conditions in animals when given
in sufficient doses.



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[S. Jewell]

Don't be afraid to push the cat to bowel tolerance if giving
vitamin C orally.  The best type of vitamin C for pushing to
bowel tolerance would be a pure sodium ascorbate powder (no
other vitamins) mixed into the cat's wet food with liver
powder to help flavor it.  Increase the amount daily until
the cat has loose stool, then back down and try again until
the cat consistently has diarrhea at a certain level.  Just
below that level would be bowel tolerance.  

For those of you who may be concerned about all the negative
propaganda surrounding the use of high levels of vitamin C,
don't be.  It is completely and totally benign and nontoxic
at any level and will not harm your cat.  Cats (and dogs)
make only 40 mg per kilogram of body weight per day, whereas
a mouse makes 275.  Based on this it is easy to see why cats
and dogs succumb to so much viral disease, infection and
cancer and other animals do not.  The difference in the
amount they make is likely due to the high level of
domestication of cats and dogs compared to their wild
ancestors and also the poor quality of food that they are
reduced to eating.  

Remember to try to spread the dosing out to a couple of
times a day, as animals usually make vitamin C 24/7 in the
liver.  Again, do not be afraid to give your cat vitamin C
to bowel tolerance, for you will see the most benefit and
healing at the highest possible dosing.  Intravenous is
best, followed by subcutaneous or intramuscular injections,
followed by oral.  The Injections sting a little and the
cats are not crazy about them but faster healing will be
seen with this administration over the oral dosing.
However, however you can get it into the cat, the key is
using enough, starting immediately, and being consistent.  


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Re: [Felvtalk] stomatitis

[S. Jewell]

Don't be afraid to push the cat to bowel tolerance if giving
vitamin C orally.  The best type of vitamin C for pushing to
bowel tolerance would be a pure sodium ascorbate powder (no
other vitamins) mixed into the cat's wet food with liver
powder to help flavor it.  Increase the amount daily until
the cat has loose stool, then back down and try again until
the cat consistently has diarrhea at a certain level.  Just
below that level would be bowel tolerance.  

For those of you who may be concerned about all the negative
propaganda surrounding the use of high levels of vitamin C,
don't be.  It is completely and totally benign and nontoxic
at any level and will not harm your cat.  Cats (and dogs)
make only 40 mg per kilogram of body weight per day, whereas
a mouse makes 275.  Based on this it is easy to see why cats
and dogs succumb to so much viral disease, infection and
cancer and other animals do not.  The difference in the
amount they make is likely due to the high level of
domestication of cats and dogs compared to their wild
ancestors and also the poor quality of food that they are
reduced to eating.  

Remember to try to spread the dosing out to a couple of
times a day, as animals usually make vitamin C 24/7 in the
liver.  Again, do not be afraid to give your cat vitamin C
to bowel tolerance, for you will see the most benefit and
healing at the highest possible dosing.  Intravenous is
best, followed by subcutaneous or intramuscular injections,
followed by oral.  The Injections sting a little and the
cats are not crazy about them but faster healing will be
seen with this administration over the oral dosing.
However, however you can get it into the cat, the key is
using enough, starting immediately, and being consistent.  


Sally Snyder Jewell
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