subject:"fleas"

I would be very surprised if fleas could transmit FeLv.  If that were true, 
most of my cats would have it.  I have had lots of experience with leukemia 
cats.  My last two were living in a room separate from the regular group of 
negative cats but the room was adjacent to the negative group and fleas are 
notorious for their ability to move from place to place on shoes, under doors, 
on clothes and just plain hopping around until they reach a nice warm cat.  No 
one in the regular room contracted FeLv.  I have even had two FeLv+ cats living 
with a group of FeLv- cats some years ago and no one in the healthy group 
contracted leukemia.  The two cats who had it were old and in addition to 
kidney failure, they went symptomatic with leukemia.  They had tested negative 
most of their lives so I assume the disease was hiding in the bone marrow and 
surfaced when their general health broke down from age.  I'm not sure that 
asking a veterinarian would clarify
 this issue for you since I have come across vets who were so ignorant that 
they thought FeLv and FIV in cats could be transmitted to humans.  When it 
comes to cats, we seem to still be living in the Dark Ages of witch hunts and 
superstition.

 
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 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 

Hi, Kathy,
Welcome – I’m sure that those with more experience with FeLV will respond in 
more detail.
My exposure to FeLV has been limited – only 1 kitten years ago, and 2 adult 
cats very recently.
I’d be surprised if the kittens of a FeLV positive mother would be FeLV 
negative.
I don’t know about fleas transmitting FeLV to other cats; it could be like the 
mistaken idea years ago of HIV being transmitted by mosquitoes.
In addition to the flea treatment, get a flea comb, fill a small bowl with 
water and add a few drops of dishwashing liquid or other soap.  When you comb 
kittens or your cats, dip comb into the water, and with your fingers remove any 
fur with fleas under the water.  Fleas will drown because the soap removes 
their waxy covering, otherwise they would float on top of the water and jump 
off.
When kittens are too small, I always use this method, and spot-check all the 
other cats this way.  
Buy a flea collar, cut off a small piece activate by pulling it, and place it 
inside your vacuum OR immediately dispose of the vacuum bag or empty the vacuum 
if it’s the bag-less type.
Natalie =^..^=
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Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 
I'm new to this group  to FeLV.  2 kittens showed up at my house about a 3 
weeks ago, I took them inside, bathed good  put in separate room away from my 
2 other cats.  I just found out that the mother cat has FeLV so have been told 
that the kittens probably do as well.  I found a few fleas on one of the 
kittens last night so immediately bathed both of them again  vacuumed the room 
really good.  I've been so careful to keep them away from my other 2 cats  now 
am a bit concerned that a few fleas could transmit if they got on my cats.  Any 
advice that can be offered is appreciate.  I researched briefly online  saw 
that it was a possibility so am concerned.  I also treated the kittens (a 
little over 8 weeks) w/a flea spot treatment about an hour after their 
bath………..it was specifically for any kitten or cat 8 weeks  older.  Was a 
milder treatment I could tell b/c it doesn't kill flea eggs.
K-
Kathy Wood
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Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

It's not a certainty that the kittens would be positive for FeLv if the mom 
was. You need to test each kitten separately when they are about 12 weeks old.  
Even if they test positive, don't have them killed.  FeLv can sometimes be 
overcome in kittens and in cats.  I have a cat who was positive but turned 
negative after 2 months quarantined in a room.  That was about 7 years ago.  He 
is now with my regulars and still healthy.  This has happened to another cat 
recently although he was positive for FIV.  With FIV they rarely turn after 
they are adults but kittens do turn negative for FIV because they really only 
have the antibodies left over from the birth mom.  Once they are on their own 
and making their own blood, they turn negative for FIV.  However, FeLv is 
tricky and sometimes does not turn in kittens who are born to a positive mom.  
As for fleas, I doubt it.  Fleas can transmit flea tape worm and possibly 
toxoplasmosis but I have never been
 told by a vet that FeLv can be transmitted by fleas. 

 
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too!





 From: Kathy klovel...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 

I'm new to this group  to FeLV.  2 kittens showed up at my house about a 3 
weeks ago, I took them inside, bathed good  put in separate room away from my 
2 other cats.  I just found out that the mother cat has FeLV so have been told 
that the kittens probably do as well.  I found a few fleas on one of the 
kittens last night so immediately bathed both of them again  vacuumed the room 
really good.  I've been so careful to keep them away from my other 2 cats  now 
am a bit concerned that a few fleas could transmit if they got on my cats.  Any 
advice that can be offered is appreciate.  I researched briefly online  saw 
that it was a possibility so am concerned.  I also treated the kittens (a 
little over 8 weeks) w/a flea spot treatment about an hour after their 
bath………..it was specifically for any kitten or cat 8 weeks  older.  Was a 
milder treatment I could tell b/c it doesn't kill flea eggs.
K-
Kathy Wood
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Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

2012-07-18 Thread Beth

I wouldn't think it could be transmitted that way. It's transmitted in the 
saliva.

 
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 From: Kathy klovel...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:05 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 

I'm new to this group  to FeLV.  2 kittens showed up at my house about a 3 
weeks ago, I took them inside, bathed good  put in separate room away from my 
2 other cats.  I just found out that the mother cat has FeLV so have been told 
that the kittens probably do as well.  I found a few fleas on one of the 
kittens last night so immediately bathed both of them again  vacuumed the room 
really good.  I've been so careful to keep them away from my other 2 cats  now 
am a bit concerned that a few fleas could transmit if they got on my cats.  Any 
advice that can be offered is appreciate.  I researched briefly online  saw 
that it was a possibility so am concerned.  I also treated the kittens (a 
little over 8 weeks) w/a flea spot treatment about an hour after their 
bath………..it was specifically for any kitten or cat 8 weeks  older.  Was a 
milder treatment I could tell b/c it doesn't kill flea eggs.
K-
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Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

2012-07-18 Thread GRAS

In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single 
kitten EVER was FIV+!  And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of 
it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. 
They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop.

I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

 

It's not a certainty that the kittens would be positive for FeLv if the mom 
was. You need to test each kitten separately when they are about 12 weeks old.  
Even if they test positive, don't have them killed.  FeLv can sometimes be 
overcome in kittens and in cats.  I have a cat who was positive but turned 
negative after 2 months quarantined in a room.  That was about 7 years ago.  He 
is now with my regulars and still healthy.  This has happened to another cat 
recently although he was positive for FIV.  With FIV they rarely turn after 
they are adults but kittens do turn negative for FIV because they really only 
have the antibodies left over from the birth mom.  Once they are on their own 
and making their own blood, they turn negative for FIV.  However, FeLv is 
tricky and sometimes does not turn in kittens who are born to a positive mom.  
As for fleas, I doubt it.  Fleas can transmit flea tape worm and possibly 
toxoplasmosis but I have never been told by a vet that FeLv can be transmitted 
by fleas. 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

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From: Kathy klovel...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

 

I'm new to this group  to FeLV.  2 kittens showed up at my house about a 3 
weeks ago, I took them inside, bathed good  put in separate room away from my 
2 other cats.  I just found out that the mother cat has FeLV so have been told 
that the kittens probably do as well.  I found a few fleas on one of the 
kittens last night so immediately bathed both of them again  vacuumed the room 
really good.  I've been so careful to keep them away from my other 2 cats  now 
am a bit concerned that a few fleas could transmit if they got on my cats.  Any 
advice that can be offered is appreciate.  I researched briefly online  saw 
that it was a possibility so am concerned.  I also treated the kittens (a 
little over 8 weeks) w/a flea spot treatment about an hour after their 
bath………..it was specifically for any kitten or cat 8 weeks  older.  Was a 
milder treatment I could tell b/c it doesn't kill flea eggs.

K-

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Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that 
an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and 
turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy.  Percy is FIV+ though.  He's a 
young street fighter rescued in terrible condition.  I'm really happy he fought 
off the FeLv.  I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no 
problem.  Percy is going to join them this week.  He's all shiny and fat now.

The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to 
adulthood.  The ones who do will live for about 2 years.  Taco and Smooch were 
rescued as adults already.  They were FeLv+.  They lived with me for about 2 
years.  They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded 
nicely the last year of their lives.

 
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too!





 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 

In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single 
kitten EVER was FIV+!  And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of 
it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. 
They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop.
I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative.
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 
It's not a certainty that the kittens would be positive for FeLv if the mom 
was. You need to test each kitten separately when they are about 12 weeks old.  
Even if they test positive, don't have them killed.  FeLv can sometimes be 
overcome in kittens and in cats.  I have a cat who was positive but turned 
negative after 2 months quarantined in a room.  That was about 7 years ago.  He 
is now with my regulars and still healthy.  This has happened to another cat 
recently although he was positive for FIV.  With FIV they rarely turn after 
they are adults but kittens do turn negative for FIV because they really only 
have the antibodies left over from the birth mom.  Once they are on their own 
and making their own blood, they turn negative for FIV.  However, FeLv is 
tricky and sometimes does not turn in kittens who are born to a positive mom.  
As for fleas, I doubt it.  Fleas can transmit flea tape worm and possibly 
toxoplasmosis but I have never been
 told by a vet that FeLv can be transmitted by fleas. 
 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!
 



From:Kathy klovel...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 
I'm new to this group  to FeLV.  2 kittens showed up at my house about a 3 
weeks ago, I took them inside, bathed good  put in separate room away from my 
2 other cats.  I just found out that the mother cat has FeLV so have been told 
that the kittens probably do as well.  I found a few fleas on one of the 
kittens last night so immediately bathed both of them again  vacuumed the room 
really good.  I've been so careful to keep them away from my other 2 cats  now 
am a bit concerned that a few fleas could transmit if they got on my cats.  Any 
advice that can be offered is appreciate.  I researched briefly online  saw 
that it was a possibility so am concerned.  I also treated the kittens (a 
little over 8 weeks) w/a flea spot treatment about an hour after their 
bath………..it was specifically for any kitten or cat 8 weeks  older.  Was a 
milder treatment I could tell b/c it doesn't kill flea eggs.
K-
Kathy Wood
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[Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas

2012-07-18 Thread Natalie

The FeLV kitten that I had didn’t make it past 3 months….it was really sad for 
Nemo to be isolated from all the cats, especially at such a young age…he 
started having a serious seizure and it was the end.

One of the adult cats was adopted, had a really bad episode after his move from 
the stress, but is doing really well again.  His new “mom” is a veterinarian.  
The other one died from renal failure – he was a lot older than we thought.

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

 

Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that 
an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and 
turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy.  Percy is FIV+ though.  He's a 
young street fighter rescued in terrible condition.  I'm really happy he fought 
off the FeLv.  I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no 
problem.  Percy is going to join them this week.  He's all shiny and fat now.

 

The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to 
adulthood.  The ones who do will live for about 2 years.  Taco and Smooch were 
rescued as adults already.  They were FeLv+.  They lived with me for about 2 
years.  They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded 
nicely the last year of their lives.

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

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From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

 

In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single 
kitten EVER was FIV+!  And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of 
it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. 
They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop.

I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative.

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas

The good news in all this grief and tragedy is that the humans who take on the 
task of caring for these lovely, deserving cats are the ones who suffer.  The 
cats are given a gift of life for as long as they can maintain it and then are 
given the gift of an easy out before they are suffering.  So we get left with 
the grief and they are at peace and at rest.  To be able to allow a cat to live 
because we understand how precious they are, in spite of this or that defect, 
in spite of this or that illness which might or might not be fatal sooner or 
later is what should make this worth while to all of us who care and are 
enlightened.  A few buckets of tears is a small price to pay to allow these 
loving angels to live with us.

 
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 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:48 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Transmittal via fleas
 

The FeLV kitten that I had didn’t make it past 3 months….it was really sad for 
Nemo to be isolated from all the cats, especially at such a young age…he 
started having a serious seizure and it was the end.
One of the adult cats was adopted, had a really bad episode after his move from 
the stress, but is doing really well again.  His new “mom” is a veterinarian.  
The other one died from renal failure – he was a lot older than we thought.
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 
Some kittens born to FeLv+ mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that 
an adult who contracted the disease from another adult will fight it off and 
turn negative, like my cats Moses and Percy.  Percy is FIV+ though.  He's a 
young street fighter rescued in terrible condition.  I'm really happy he fought 
off the FeLv.  I have an FIV+ area for my little colony of positives so no 
problem.  Percy is going to join them this week.  He's all shiny and fat now.
 
The bad news about FeLv kittens is that most of them never make it to 
adulthood.  The ones who do will live for about 2 years.  Taco and Smooch were 
rescued as adults already.  They were FeLv+.  They lived with me for about 2 
years.  They were buddies, from different street situations but they bonded 
nicely the last year of their lives.
 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!
 



From:GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas
 
In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single 
kitten EVER was FIV+!  And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of 
it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. 
They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop.
I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas Hylands bioplasma tablets

2011-06-22 Thread Beth Noren

Hi Cindy,
I'm not familiar with Hyland's Bioplasma tablets either, but if you
decide to try them
and they don't work, maybe talk to your vet about Cyclosporine.  I
have 2 boys with severe allergies (one food/environmental, one just
environmental) and tried many things, including food trials and
allergy shots.  The cyclosporine is the only thing that works for us.
Hate to have them on a drug forever, but my vet says the feedback has
been pretty positive on it, few problems so far (It's a fairly new
drug for cats).  Mine have been on it for 3 years and 1 year, they get
yearly CBC's, but no issues so far.  They are now on 25mg per day, 5
days per week.  It costs about $43.00 for 30 pills.  It took about 4-5
months to start working on one of the boys, but his quality of life is
now so much improved.  No more e-collar, yay!!!

Best wishes,
Beth N.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:
 Thanks Dana - and everyone else too!

So far, the aggression and spraying haven't been a problem,
 but he continues to lick/chew himself raw.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-21 Thread Cindy McHugh

Thank you all for your replies regarding treatment for fleas. I was 
concerned that mainstream flea applications could be harmful due to his 
FeLV+ status. We were able to get a hold of his vet yesterday and they 
recommended Frontline, so we picked some up and applied it last night. 
Hopefully, we'll have the situation under control soon.


He's still very much in need of a loving home. He deserves much more than 
our basement can offer.


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For you house, I recommend diluting Dawn dishwashing liquid soap (supposedly
only the Blue Dawn works) and spraying it all over and under your furniture,
walls floors - I couldn't get rid of my house fleas until I tried that last
home remedy - and I think I've tried them all. The Dawn soap one works! It
supposed to work as a desiccant and is one of the few I found that actually
works on adult fleas, not the larvae. Put as much as your comfortable with,
I put a sqeeze or two in a small spray bottle.

For cleaning, I use white vinegar (straight) although you can dilute that
too if you want, and that is also supposed to be something fleas hate, or it
kils them...sorry I forget exactly on that one...

For putting ON the cats, I second the capstar ,

Frontline...eh. You could also carefully rub FOOD grade diatomaceous earth
powder in their fur. Be warned it's like drywall dust and extremely drying
but it's an option. Food grade is ok for cats (and humans) to digest. I had
one cat who would roll in it ( I dropped a small pile of it on the basement
floor) and he was my flea indicator. :)

I wouldn't recommend putting it all over your house it's messy, and the
small particles are not great for the lungsI'd definitely stick with the
soap.

I had more success with the Dawn.

On another note - if your cat has flea allergies, and licking themselves
bald, I've found that giving them Hylands bioplasma tablets fixed that. The
one cat I have who does and had licked himself bald comes running for his
almost daily or sometimes twice daily pills when I shake the bottle. The
others I gave them to, come intermittently now when I shake the bottle, but
my little Hobbie was desperate for them. Over the winter, he didn't want
them as much but he's started to ask for them again now.

Dana

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I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but I
have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning supplies
that won't harm him.

He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of his
own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green eyes.
Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

Cindy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-21 Thread Natalie

Warning about DE - never inhale it!  I would be extremely cautiouswhen
applying to a act's fur - it can fly into the air and cat can inhale - very
damaging to lungs, whether food grade or not!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dana giordano
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

For you house, I recommend diluting Dawn dishwashing liquid soap (supposedly
only the Blue Dawn works) and spraying it all over and under your furniture,
walls floors - I couldn't get rid of my house fleas until I tried that last
home remedy - and I think I've tried them all.  The Dawn soap one works! It
supposed to work as a desiccant and is one of the few I found that actually
works on adult fleas, not the larvae.  Put as much as your comfortable with,
I put a sqeeze or two in a small spray bottle.

For cleaning, I use white vinegar (straight) although you can dilute that
too if you want, and that is also supposed to be something fleas hate, or it
kils them...sorry I forget exactly on that one...

For putting ON the cats, I second the capstar ,

Frontline...eh. You could also carefully rub FOOD grade diatomaceous earth
powder in their fur.  Be warned it's like drywall dust and extremely drying
but it's an option. Food grade is ok for cats (and humans) to digest.  I had
one cat who would roll in it ( I dropped a small pile of it on the basement
floor) and he was my flea indicator. :)

I wouldn't recommend putting it all over your house it's messy, and the
small particles are not great for the lungsI'd definitely stick with the
soap.

I had more success with the Dawn.

On another note - if your cat has flea allergies, and licking themselves
bald, I've found that giving them Hylands bioplasma tablets fixed that. The
one cat I have who does and had licked himself bald comes running for his
almost daily or sometimes twice daily pills when I shake the bottle. The
others I gave them to, come intermittently now when I shake the bottle, but
my little Hobbie was desperate for them. Over the winter, he didn't want
them as much but he's started to ask for them again now.

Dana

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 I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
 separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
 the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but
I
 have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
 program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning supplies
 that won't harm him.

 He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of
his
 own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
 sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green eyes.
 Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas Hylands bioplasma tablets

2011-06-21 Thread Cindy McHugh


Thanks Dana - and everyone else too!

My vet also had Capstar, so we used it with the Frontline. I'll definitely 
try the Dawn for cleaning. Thankfully, I have no carpeting, so it should be 
fairly easy. And he's kept in the basement, with a concrete floor that can 
withstand most anything. I'll need to do something with his kitty condo, but 
I'm thinking maybe I can flea bomb it in the shed and then return it to 
his room after it's aired out.


I had forgotten about diatomaceous earth - thanks for the reminder. That 
would be good for the yard, wouldn't it? We leave the screened basement 
window open for fresh air and I suspect that's how the fleas entered the 
house, so I'd like to treat the yard. There's a possibility they came with a 
dog I was fostering, but she spent 90% of her time upstairs and we haven't 
had a problem there (knock on wood).


I'm interested in the Hylands bioplasma tablets. I'll certainly Google them, 
but I'd also welcome any input you can offer. I have a high-strung Bengal 
that was surrendered by an owner who could no longer tolerate his bad 
behaviors, which included aggression, spraying, and self-mutilating 
licking/chewing. So far, the aggression and spraying haven't been a problem, 
but he continues to lick/chew himself raw. He's relatively new to me, but 
his previous owner sent his vet records with him and it looks as though this 
has been a problem since before she adopted him (at age 3) and she had him 
to the vet *many* times over the 3 years that she had him. They've done all 
sorts of testing and have always come back to anxiety issues. He's been on 
sedatives and she said that helps, but only for a while. He was doing fairly 
well here after he buddied up with one of the other rescues, but he still 
licks/chews at times. I'm wondering if the Hylands bioplasma tablets would 
help him.


Thank you again for your input!

Cindy


- Original Message - 
From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas


For you house, I recommend diluting Dawn dishwashing liquid soap 
(supposedly
only the Blue Dawn works) and spraying it all over and under your 
furniture,
walls floors - I couldn't get rid of my house fleas until I tried that 
last
home remedy - and I think I've tried them all.  The Dawn soap one works! 
It
supposed to work as a desiccant and is one of the few I found that 
actually
works on adult fleas, not the larvae.  Put as much as your comfortable 
with,

I put a sqeeze or two in a small spray bottle.

For cleaning, I use white vinegar (straight) although you can dilute that
too if you want, and that is also supposed to be something fleas hate, or 
it

kils them...sorry I forget exactly on that one...

For putting ON the cats, I second the capstar ,

Frontline...eh. You could also carefully rub FOOD grade diatomaceous earth
powder in their fur.  Be warned it's like drywall dust and extremely 
drying
but it's an option. Food grade is ok for cats (and humans) to digest.  I 
had
one cat who would roll in it ( I dropped a small pile of it on the 
basement

floor) and he was my flea indicator. :)

I wouldn't recommend putting it all over your house it's messy, and the
small particles are not great for the lungsI'd definitely stick with 
the

soap.

I had more success with the Dawn.

On another note - if your cat has flea allergies, and licking themselves
bald, I've found that giving them Hylands bioplasma tablets fixed that. 
The

one cat I have who does and had licked himself bald comes running for his
almost daily or sometimes twice daily pills when I shake the bottle. The
others I gave them to, come intermittently now when I shake the bottle, 
but

my little Hobbie was desperate for them. Over the winter, he didn't want
them as much but he's started to ask for them again now.


Dana



On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org 
wrote:



I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but 
I

have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning 
supplies

that won't harm him.

He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of 
his

own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green 
eyes.

Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

Cindy

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[Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Cindy McHugh

I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed separately 
and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in the bud. I 
don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but I have to do 
something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment program for a 
FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning supplies that won't harm 
him.


He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of his 
own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the 
sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green eyes. 
Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Katy Doyle

The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because it
bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly
flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+
cats using it.

As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a
very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When I
bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath
because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.

I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
favorite is Pine Sol.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:

Cindy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Natalie

Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because it
bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly
flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+
cats using it.

As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a
very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When I
bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath
because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.

I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
favorite is Pine Sol.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:

 I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
 separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
 the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but
I
 have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
 program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning supplies
 that won't harm him.

 He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of
his
 own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
 sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green eyes.
 Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Lynda Wilson

I'm using Feline Pine cat litter. What is wrong with pine products?
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because it
bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly
flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+
cats using it.

As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a
very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When 
I

bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath
because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.

I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
favorite is Pine Sol.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org 
wrote:

I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but

I

have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning 
supplies

that won't harm him.

He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of

his

own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green 
eyes.

Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

Cindy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Edna Taylor

Actually, it is any product with the word sol in it as in Pinesol or Lysol

 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:33:01 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

 I'm using Feline Pine cat litter. What is wrong with pine products?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

  Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats!

  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
  Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

  The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because it
  bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly
  flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+
  cats using it.

  As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a
  very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When 
  I
  bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath
  because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.

  I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
  favorite is Pine Sol.

  On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org 
  wrote:

  I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
  separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
  the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but
  I
  have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
  program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning 
  supplies
  that won't harm him.

  He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of
  his
  own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
  sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green 
  eyes.
  Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Natalie

I think that the litter is fine, but not cleaning products with pine.  I've
read this a looong time ago, and can't remember why.  When I have some time,
I will look it up!

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

I'm using Feline Pine cat litter. What is wrong with pine products?
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

 Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

 The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because it
 bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly
 flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+
 cats using it.

 As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a
 very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When 
 I
 bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath
 because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.

 I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
 favorite is Pine Sol.

 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org 
 wrote:

 I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
 separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
 the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but
 I
 have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
 program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning 
 supplies
 that won't harm him.

 He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of
 his
 own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
 sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green 
 eyes.
 Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Natalie

Pine...I don't know what's in Lysol.  I use X-O, which is fantastic for
odors, cleaning, and safe.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

Actually, it is any product with the word sol in it as in Pinesol or
Lysol

 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:33:01 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

 I'm using Feline Pine cat litter. What is wrong with pine products?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

  Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats!

  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
  Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

  The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because
it
  bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly
  flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my
FeLV+
  cats using it.

  As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a
  very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals.
When 
  I
  bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn
bath
  because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.

  I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
  favorite is Pine Sol.

  On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org 
  wrote:

  I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
  separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this
in
  the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them,
but
  I
  have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
  program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning 
  supplies
  that won't harm him.

  He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of
  his
  own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's
the
  sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green 
  eyes.
  Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Lynda Wilson


Thanks, Natalie!

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas



Pine...I don't know what's in Lysol.  I use X-O, which is fantastic for
odors, cleaning, and safe.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas


Actually, it is any product with the word sol in it as in Pinesol or
Lysol



From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:33:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

I'm using Feline Pine cat litter. What is wrong with pine products?
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas


 Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

 The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because

it
 bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a 
 monthly

 flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my

FeLV+

 cats using it.

 As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's 
 a

 very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals.

When

 I
 bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn

bath

 because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.

 I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
 favorite is Pine Sol.



 On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
 wrote:

 I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
 separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this

in

 the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them,

but

 I
 have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
 program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning
 supplies
 that won't harm him.

 He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home 
 of

 his
 own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's

the

 sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green
 eyes.
 Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.

 Cindy

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[Felvtalk] Help.. need advice on fleas

2010-10-19 Thread Claudia Veiga

Hi,
I saw your post and felv.  My cat Cheshire recently passed, she developed 
leukemia, she had a lump on her neck.  She was anemic and wasn't gettign enough 
Oxygen in her system.   I got so many wonderful replies of condolences on here. 
 
One of the things I wondered was whether the revolution flea product I had 
applied on her 6 weeks before she passed somehow weakened her immune system or 
made her sick.  I rarely applied flea product on her, since she only went out 
on 
the deck.  She had had revolution treatments a couple of years ago when she had 
fleas but was fine then except for her asthma,  My other non-felv cat goes out. 
 
Anyway, it was jsut one of the things I've wrestled with. 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Help.. need advice on fleas

2010-10-19 Thread Beth

I really would doubt it. I put Advantage on my FeLV cats for years  never had 
any problem.

Beth
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--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help.. need advice on fleas
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 4:48 PM

Hi,
I saw your post and felv.  My cat Cheshire recently passed, she developed 
leukemia, she had a lump on her neck.  She was anemic and wasn't gettign enough 
Oxygen in her system.   I got so many wonderful replies of condolences on 
here.  
One of the things I wondered was whether the revolution flea product I had 
applied on her 6 weeks before she passed somehow weakened her immune system or 
made her sick.  I rarely applied flea product on her, since she only went out 
on 
the deck.  She had had revolution treatments a couple of years ago when she had 
fleas but was fine then except for her asthma,  My other non-felv cat goes 
out.  
Anyway, it was jsut one of the things I've wrestled with.     


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Help.. need advice on fleas

2010-10-19 Thread Emeraldkittee

Claudia,
 
I'm so sorry about Chesire's passing - I too wonder about Revolution. I always 
hear it's one of the lesser toxic products, but with these guys, I suppose we 
question everything.
 
Shannon

--- On Tue, 10/19/10, Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Claudia Veiga elisasta...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help.. need advice on fleas
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 3:48 PM


Hi,
I saw your post and felv.  My cat Cheshire recently passed, she developed 
leukemia, she had a lump on her neck.  She was anemic and wasn't gettign enough 
Oxygen in her system.   I got so many wonderful replies of condolences on 
here.  
One of the things I wondered was whether the revolution flea product I had 
applied on her 6 weeks before she passed somehow weakened her immune system or 
made her sick.  I rarely applied flea product on her, since she only went out 
on 
the deck.  She had had revolution treatments a couple of years ago when she had 
fleas but was fine then except for her asthma,  My other non-felv cat goes 
out.  
Anyway, it was jsut one of the things I've wrestled with.     


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-18 Thread Cougar Clan


pennyroyal and lavender also
On Oct 14, 2010, at 6:25 PM, Beth wrote:

Stay away from tea tree oil. It is toxic to cats  I've seen it in  
Natural remedies for cats - scary! Natural isn't always better.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-17 Thread Tracey Shrout

Stacy, I used to use Frontline on my 5 kitties but was always worried about
the toxicity of it. I started researching and found a great list about the
toxicity of flea and tick products on the NRDC (national resource defense
council) website. I've always questioned the safeness of those topical
treatments, and was reassured by my vets, but, come on, how can they be safe
when they say YOU should not get them on YOUR skin? Anyway, I decided to go
with Program. The one I buy is the kind you mix in their food. I was leery
that they wouldn't eat it, but all 5 cats ate it w/no problem. It was one of
the products on the list that was considered to have very low
toxicity. Here's the link:
http://www.greenpaws.org/_docs/GP_productlist.pdf  It lists them in order of
risk. I have had no problem with fleas this year, and 4 of my 5 cats go
outside.


On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and
 confirm if he does have fleas or not.  He eats from only stainless steel or
 ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump
 under his chin.  So far I've found natural flea products with neem oil,
 clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil,
 eucalyptus oil, cedar oil  (combinations of these).   I will ask the vet
 about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas.
 Hope to be flea free,
 Stacy and Spanky

 Message: 7
 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
 Message-ID: 004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All
 kinds of natural products.
 www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to
 spray
 around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can
 use
 the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are
 introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas.
 The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the
 better!

 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken
 for flea dirt.  Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using
 only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives
 against fleasthe cedar one is good.  We use nematodes to spray around
 the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 create_me_...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will
 cause severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every
 month  I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will
 deprive the cat of nutrients.
 Beth
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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 Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking
 dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs
 around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they
 couldn't be fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm
 here
 in WI this week.

 Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system
 for
 fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat
 him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think
 that
 would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection
 and bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
 identification.

 Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky

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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-15 Thread Natalie

It's important never to use any of the essential oils on cats, unless it is 
known not to be harmful to them  - I haven't had a chance to read ASPCA piece 
yet because I'm kept rather busy, 24/7, bottle feeding a teeny kittens since it 
was one day old - now, 2 weeks old. However, there are some products on the 
market with oils, but it's probably either safe or safe in tiny amounts.

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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ASPCA HAS A GOOD ARTICLE ON AROMATHERAPY OILS AND CATS.  MANY CAN BE HARMFUL.  
IT SEEMS CATS DO NOT METABILIZE THEM LIKE WE DO  AND THAT CAUSES THE PROBLEM.  
I HAD ALREADY BOUGHT SOME TEA TREE OIL FOR  MYSELF AND WHEN I FOUND THIS OUT, 
THREW IT IN THE GARBAGE.  DR. FOX ALSO HAS SOME MOE INFO ON OILS AND CATS.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Stay away from tea tree oil. It is toxic to cats  I've seen it in Natural 
 remedies for cats - scary! Natural isn't always better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-15 Thread dlgegg

DEPENDS ON THE OIL, SOME LIKE TEA TREE OIL IS NOT SAFE IN ANY AMOUNT.  JUST 
BEST TO CHECK FIRST BEFORE YOU BRING ANY OF THEM INTO YOUR HOUSE.  I ONLY USE 
EUCALIPTUS, PEPPERMINT AND LAVENDER FOR MYSELF.  NO PROBLEMS WITH THEM.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 It's important never to use any of the essential oils on cats, unless it is 
 known not to be harmful to them  - I haven't had a chance to read ASPCA piece 
 yet because I'm kept rather busy, 24/7, bottle feeding a teeny kittens since 
 it was one day old - now, 2 weeks old. However, there are some products on 
 the market with oils, but it's probably either safe or safe in tiny amounts.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:55 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas
 
 ASPCA HAS A GOOD ARTICLE ON AROMATHERAPY OILS AND CATS.  MANY CAN BE HARMFUL. 
  IT SEEMS CATS DO NOT METABILIZE THEM LIKE WE DO  AND THAT CAUSES THE 
 PROBLEM.  I HAD ALREADY BOUGHT SOME TEA TREE OIL FOR  MYSELF AND WHEN I FOUND 
 THIS OUT, THREW IT IN THE GARBAGE.  DR. FOX ALSO HAS SOME MOE INFO ON OILS 
 AND CATS.
 
 
  Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  Stay away from tea tree oil. It is toxic to cats  I've seen it in 
  Natural remedies for cats - scary! Natural isn't always better.
  Beth
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[Felvtalk] fleas

2010-10-14 Thread Stacy Zacher

Hi Bonnie:
We are located in SE Wisconsin. 
Stacy and Spanky
stacy_zac...@yahoo.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 13:21:52 -0700
From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No fleas
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    reply-type=original

Stacy
what part of the country do you live in?
- Original Message - 
From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] No fleas

 Thanks to everyone for your help. Under the microscope, the vet said that 
 the bugs I brought in have wings and were not fleas but looked very 
 similar. He said that the lump and dirt under Spanky's chin was probably 
 acne. He did a blood draw for a full panel/cbc and took a slide of his 
 suspected mast cell tumor on his nose so I will post results when I get 
 them. The vet said his lymph nodes in the hind legs felt swollen but no 
 other lymph nodes did. He also got an LTCI injection and was a very good 
 patient.
 Thanks!
 Stacy and Spanky

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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-14 Thread Beth

Stay away from tea tree oil. It is toxic to cats  I've seen it in Natural 
remedies for cats - scary! Natural isn't always better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-14 Thread dlgegg

ASPCA HAS A GOOD ARTICLE ON AROMATHERAPY OILS AND CATS.  MANY CAN BE HARMFUL.  
IT SEEMS CATS DO NOT METABILIZE THEM LIKE WE DO  AND THAT CAUSES THE PROBLEM.  
I HAD ALREADY BOUGHT SOME TEA TREE OIL FOR  MYSELF AND WHEN I FOUND THIS OUT, 
THREW IT IN THE GARBAGE.  DR. FOX ALSO HAS SOME MOE INFO ON OILS AND CATS.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Stay away from tea tree oil. It is toxic to cats  I've seen it in Natural 
 remedies for cats - scary! Natural isn't always better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-13 Thread Cougar Clan

Be careful with some of the natural products and cats. It is one thing  
for them to be safe with dogs

On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Stacy Zacher wrote:

Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today  
and confirm if he does have fleas or not.  He eats from only  
stainless steel or ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by  
something to cause the lump under his chin.  So far I've found  
natural flea products with neem oil, clover oil, thyme oil,  
rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar  
oil  (combinations of these).   I will ask the vet about testing for  
FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas.

Hope to be flea free,
Stacy and Spanky

Message: 7
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
Message-ID: 004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm.  
All

kinds of natural products.
www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product  
to spray
around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats  
can use

the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are
introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas.
The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune  
systems, the

better!

-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often  
mistaken
for flea dirt.  Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try  
using
only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous  
alternatives
against fleasthe cedar one is good.  We use nematodes to spray  
around

the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which  
will
cause severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage  
every
month  I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms  
which will

deprive the cat of nutrients.
Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt  
looking
dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red  
bugs
around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought,  
they
couldn't be fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably  
warm here

in WI this week.

Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune  
system for
fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home  
and treat
him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't  
think that
would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci  
injection

and bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
identification.

Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky

stacy_zac...@yahoo.com



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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-13 Thread Natalie

That's correct, never use anything that is meant for dog on cats!  However,
the two listed sites, have products for both cats and dogs.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

Be careful with some of the natural products and cats. It is one thing  
for them to be safe with dogs
On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Stacy Zacher wrote:

 Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today  
 and confirm if he does have fleas or not.  He eats from only  
 stainless steel or ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by  
 something to cause the lump under his chin.  So far I've found  
 natural flea products with neem oil, clover oil, thyme oil,  
 rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar  
 oil  (combinations of these).   I will ask the vet about testing for  
 FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas.
 Hope to be flea free,
 Stacy and Spanky

 Message: 7
 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
 Message-ID: 004401cb6a14$8f137ba0$ad3a72...@net
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm.  
 All
 kinds of natural products.
 www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product  
 to spray
 around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats  
 can use
 the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are
 introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas.
 The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune  
 systems, the
 better!

 -Original Message-
 From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM
 To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often  
 mistaken
 for flea dirt.  Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try  
 using
 only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous  
 alternatives
 against fleasthe cedar one is good.  We use nematodes to spray  
 around
 the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems.

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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 create_me_...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which  
 will
 cause severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage  
 every
 month  I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms  
 which will
 deprive the cat of nutrients.
 Beth
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

 -Original Message-
 From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
 Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

 Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt  
 looking
 dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red  
 bugs
 around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought,  
 they
 couldn't be fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably  
 warm here
 in WI this week.

 Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune  
 system for
 fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home  
 and treat
 him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't  
 think that
 would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci  
 injection
 and bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
 identification.

 Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky

 stacy_zac...@yahoo.com

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[Felvtalk] No fleas

2010-10-13 Thread Stacy Zacher

Thanks to everyone for your help. Under the microscope, the vet said that the 
bugs I brought in have wings and were not fleas but looked very similar.  He 
said that the lump and dirt under Spanky's chin was probably acne.  He did a 
blood draw for a full panel/cbc and took a slide of his suspected mast cell 
tumor on his nose so I will post results when I get them. The vet said his 
lymph nodes in the hind legs felt swollen but no other lymph nodes did.  He 
also got an LTCI injection and was a very good patient. 
Thanks! 
Stacy and Spanky

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Subject:  Help- need advice on fleas
Message-ID: 935259.94530...@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Thanks
to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and
confirm if he does have fleas or not.? He eats from only stainless
steel or ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause
the lump under his chin.? So far I've found natural flea products
with neem oil, clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil,
celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar oil? (combinations of these).??
I will ask the vet about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed
have the fleas. 
Hope to be flea free,
Stacy and Spanky

stacy_zac...@yahoo.com


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No fleas

2010-10-13 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Stacy
what part of the country do you live in?
- Original Message - 
From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] No fleas

Thanks to everyone for your help. Under the microscope, the vet said that 
the bugs I brought in have wings and were not fleas but looked very 
similar. He said that the lump and dirt under Spanky's chin was probably 
acne. He did a blood draw for a full panel/cbc and took a slide of his 
suspected mast cell tumor on his nose so I will post results when I get 
them. The vet said his lymph nodes in the hind legs felt swollen but no 
other lymph nodes did. He also got an LTCI injection and was a very good 
patient.

Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky

Message: 1
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas
Message-ID: 935259.94530...@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Thanks
to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and
confirm if he does have fleas or not.? He eats from only stainless
steel or ceramic bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause
the lump under his chin.? So far I've found natural flea products
with neem oil, clover oil, thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil,
celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar oil? (combinations of these).??
I will ask the vet about testing for FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed
have the fleas.
Hope to be flea free,
Stacy and Spanky

stacy_zac...@yahoo.com

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Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-12 Thread Natalie

If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken
for flea dirt.  Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using
only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives
against fleasthe cedar one is good.  We use nematodes to spray around
the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will
cause severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every
month  I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will
deprive the cat of nutrients.
Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking
dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs
around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they
couldn't be fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here
in WI this week.   

Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for
fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat
him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that
would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection
and bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
identification.  

Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky
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[Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-12 Thread Natalie

www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All
kinds of natural products.
www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to spray
around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can use
the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are
introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas.
The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the
better!

-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken
for flea dirt.  Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using
only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives
against fleasthe cedar one is good.  We use nematodes to spray around
the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will
cause severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every
month  I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will
deprive the cat of nutrients.
Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking
dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs
around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they
couldn't be fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here
in WI this week.   

Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for
fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat
him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that
would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection
and bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
identification.  

Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky
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[Felvtalk] Subject: Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-12 Thread Stacy Zacher

Thanks to everyone for the ideas, I will run them past my vet today and confirm 
if he does have fleas or not.  He eats from only stainless steel or ceramic 
bowls but could have been bitten by something to cause the lump under his 
chin.  So far I've found natural flea products with neem oil, clover oil, 
thyme oil, rosemary oil, citronella oil, celery seed oil, eucalyptus oil, cedar 
oil  (combinations of these).   I will ask the vet about testing for 
FIA/Hemobart if he does indeed have the fleas. 
Hope to be flea free,
Stacy and Spanky

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:51:23 -0400
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

www.cedarcide.com . The animal can be sprayed directly with no harm. All
kinds of natural products.
www.drgoodpet.com - Look under flea control - we use their product to spray
around the house so that no fleas can be brought inside and the cats can use
the outdoor enclosures safely. We use Frontline only on cats that are
introduced to the fold...and of course, we check if they have fleas.
The fewer chemicals you use on cats with a compromised immune systems, the
better!

-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 9:43 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

If you see something under the chin, it could be chin acne, often mistaken
for flea dirt.  Comes mostly from using porous feeding dishes...try using
only ceramic, stainless steel...There are many non-poisonous alternatives
against fleasthe cedar one is good.  We use nematodes to spray around
the house and with so many cats, have no flea problems.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 10:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will
cause severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every
month  I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will
deprive the cat of nutrients.
Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking
dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs
around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they
couldn't be fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here
in WI this week.   

Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for
fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat
him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that
would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection
and bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for
identification.  

Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky

stacy_zac...@yahoo.com


  
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[Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-11 Thread Szacherdroid

Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking dust 
and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs around but 
no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they couldn't be 
fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here in WI this 
week.   

Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for 
fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat 
him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that 
would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection and 
bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for 
identification.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-11 Thread create_me_new

I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will cause 
severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every month  I 
have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will deprive the 
cat of nutrients.
Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking dust 
and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs around but 
no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they couldn't be 
fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here in WI this 
week.   

Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for 
fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat 
him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that 
would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection and 
bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for 
identification.  

Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-05-01 Thread Morgan, Linda S - DNR

Hello All,
I'm new to this post and I have a question.
My 13 year old kitty Ramses has recently been diagnosed with Chronic lymphatic 
leukemia.
The vet has recommended the following drugs:  Prednisolone and/or Chlorambucil.
What is known about the effectiveness and side effects of using these two drugs 
to treat the above mentioned leukemia?  We are struggling with treating him at 
all at this time because aside from some hair and weight loss, he is not 
showing any symptoms.  I'm afraid that these could happen at any time but 
presently he seems to be fine.
Thanks for any feedback you can provide.
Linda Morgan   

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Well, yes and no...if it is tapes you are wanting to get rid of there is 
generic droncit - tapeworm tabs - *http://tinyurl.com/dm4hy2

*This is generic Droncit - I asked my vet and the active ingredient is the same.

Drontal kills all worms, but is very expensive, and I do not think there is a 
generic.  .

Consistent use of Revolution should keep hooks and rounds at bay (as well as 
fleas, so technically you shouldn't get tapes either, but it happens)

Strongid kills hooks and rounds (.1 cc per pound of cat) - * 
http://tinyurl.com/c68d2z

*Lasts forever

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 kelley, isn't there now a generic for drontal? (i THINK it's you who 
 mentioned it)

 MC

 On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:47 AM, POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu
 wrote:

  I, too, live in SC, and have found that Revolution works wonders on 
  my cats for keeping things under control... Unfortunately it doesn't 
  kill tapeworms, but it does kill roundworms and hookworms. I am 
  lucky enough to have a vet that will sell me the Droncit without seeing the 
  animals.
 
  Beverly
 
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  Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:24 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks
 
 
  I have an outbreak of fleas on my eight felv+ cats brought home by 
  my two dogs who like to run away every chance they get. I need to 
  worm all my kitties .Can someone recommend worm med's that I can buy 
  without a prescription.
   I can't afford to take all of them to a vet at one time. I also 
  have to
 
  buy flea  med's I'm thinking Frontline. I've never had much of a 
  problem with parasites  until this spring. Please help.
 
   Sheila in SC
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-05-01 Thread Belinda Sauro


  Linda,
 I am sorry to hear about your furchild, you may want to join the 
feline lymphoma group on yahoo, I've been a member many years and they 
are a wonderful group with great suggestions and support.  Also to get 
some good info go to our website and you'll find tons of info there, I 
do the website for the group and the info is contributeds by members, so 
I can tell you there are case studies and great links to vets used by 
members, resources for finacial help, nutritional information and more.  
There are over 2000 member so lots of experience here.  The website is here:


http://felinelymphoma.org

The group is here:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/

I too just found out my little princess Shelbee has fully involved liver 
cancer, don't know what kind yet but her liver is totally involved.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-05-01 Thread Belinda Sauro

PS.  The drugs you mentioned are used when dealing with small cell 
cancer, what type did they say he has?  *Small cell* is slower growing 
but takes longer to get into remission, *large cell* is much more 
aggressive and spreads very quickly and will usually go into remission 
faster but it must be treated aggressively with multiple chemo drugs.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-04-28 Thread gary

Not sure if there is a generic, but you can get Drontal in the cat size pill
for $2.00 a pill at http://petsupplyexpress.com and that's as cheap as I
have seen anywhere.

Gary

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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 3:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

kelley, isn't there now a generic for drontal? (i THINK it's you who
mentioned it)

MC

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:47 AM, POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu wrote:

 I, too, live in SC, and have found that Revolution works wonders on my
 cats for keeping things under control... Unfortunately it doesn't kill
 tapeworms, but it does kill roundworms and hookworms. I am lucky enough
 to have a vet that will sell me the Droncit without seeing the animals.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-04-28 Thread Kelley Saveika

Well, yes and no...if it is tapes you are wanting to get rid of there is
generic droncit - tapeworm tabs - *http://tinyurl.com/dm4hy2

*This is generic Droncit - I asked my vet and the active ingredient is the
same.

Drontal kills all worms, but is very expensive, and I do not think there is
a generic.  .

Consistent use of Revolution should keep hooks and rounds at bay (as well as
fleas, so technically you shouldn't get tapes either, but it happens)

Strongid kills hooks and rounds (.1 cc per pound of cat) - *
http://tinyurl.com/c68d2z

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On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:53 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 kelley, isn't there now a generic for drontal? (i THINK it's you who
 mentioned it)

 MC

 On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:47 AM, POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu
 wrote:

  I, too, live in SC, and have found that Revolution works wonders on my
  cats for keeping things under control... Unfortunately it doesn't kill
  tapeworms, but it does kill roundworms and hookworms. I am lucky enough
  to have a vet that will sell me the Droncit without seeing the animals.
 
  Beverly
 
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  Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:24 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks
 
 
  I have an outbreak of fleas on my eight felv+ cats brought home by my
  two
  dogs who like to run away every chance they get. I need to worm all my
  kitties .Can someone recommend worm med's that I can buy without a
  prescription.
   I can't afford to take all of them to a vet at one time. I also have to
 
  buy flea  med's I'm thinking Frontline. I've never had much of a problem
  with
  parasites  until this spring. Please help.
 
   Sheila in SC
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-04-28 Thread MaryChristine

yeah, it was the generic droncit i was thinking of, thanks.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-04-27 Thread POTT, BEVERLY

I, too, live in SC, and have found that Revolution works wonders on my
cats for keeping things under control... Unfortunately it doesn't kill
tapeworms, but it does kill roundworms and hookworms. I am lucky enough
to have a vet that will sell me the Droncit without seeing the animals.

Beverly

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From: sheila...@aol.com [mailto:sheila...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

 
I have an outbreak of fleas on my eight felv+ cats brought home by my
two 
dogs who like to run away every chance they get. I need to worm all my  
kitties .Can someone recommend worm med's that I can buy without a
prescription. 
 I can't afford to take all of them to a vet at one time. I also have to

buy flea  med's I'm thinking Frontline. I've never had much of a problem
with 
parasites  until this spring. Please help. 
 
 Sheila in SC

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[Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-04-25 Thread Sheila208

 
I have an outbreak of fleas on my eight felv+ cats brought home by my  two 
dogs who like to run away every chance they get. I need to worm all my  
kitties .Can someone recommend worm med's that I can buy without a 
prescription. 
 I can't afford to take all of them to a vet at one time. I also have to 
buy flea  med's I'm thinking Frontline. I've never had much of a problem with 
parasites  until this spring. Please help. 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

2009-04-25 Thread gary

You can get Drontal from http://petsupplyexpress.com for $2.00 a pill (for
cats) and Frontline Plus 6 pack in the large doge size (one vial will do 8
cats) for $52.75 and their shipping is a flat $3.99.

Gary

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Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fleas and Ticks

 
I have an outbreak of fleas on my eight felv+ cats brought home by my  two 
dogs who like to run away every chance they get. I need to worm all my  
kitties .Can someone recommend worm med's that I can buy without a
prescription. 
 I can't afford to take all of them to a vet at one time. I also have to 
buy flea  med's I'm thinking Frontline. I've never had much of a problem
with 
parasites  until this spring. Please help. 
 
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Fleas - Gary

2008-02-21 Thread Sheila208

A while back we were talking about flea medicine and Gary said  that we could 
order it cheaper from Australia. I'm having a big problem  keeping my cats 
flea free. I have 21 cats and its getting expensive buying the  med's from my 
vet. Would someone please e-mail me the Australian e-mail address  so I can 
order some Frontline or Advantage.
 
  
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Re: fleas arhhhhh

I would not treat all year.

I had to treat mine last month and I am going to do it again this week for 
fleas, but prior to that I had not treated anyone for 2years.

This is a bad year, too much rain.

Have they been itching @ all?

Have you seen any fleas?

Usually by the time you actually SEE one there are many.

Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as good 
forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and skin 
reactions.
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  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:01 PM
  Subject: Re: fleas arh


  What protocol do you guys usually follow for your positive cats (who are 
exclusively indoor, of course) and flea treatments?  I'm sure with the FeLV, 
flea bites are even more dangerous.  Should I be treating them with 
Frontline/Advantage every month year round, monthly during the summer months, 
every three months, never?


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Re: fleas arhhhhh

I use the dog size too.

It takes about 6 tubes to treat all on cats.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:04 PM
  Subject: Re: fleas arh


  Hi Susan

  Thanks, we have been terribly dry this summer maybe that is why the fleas 
took so long to show up. He sleeps on the floor or on Eric's bed. I had to 
change the bed linens this morning as Eric is sick. I already treated all the 
cats except for Daisy she is too squirmy to get a hold of. I was even able to 
get some Advantage on my semi-feral girl. She only comes in to eat. 

  I buy the 50 pound dog sized Advantage which will treat about 4 cats maybe 5. 
With 11 cats now it is the only way I can afford the stuff. I always have some 
around and yes, I will probably have to treat them for the next few months.  

   I usually know when I have fleas because of Spike, she is allergic and 
starts getting scabs from the bites. She is the reason I knew the fleas were 
showing up. She was treated first. Oh yes and fleas love me as well. 

  Sally
   
  On 8/26/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Sally,

Don't feel bad, fleas are particulairly devilish this year due to the rains.

I would give Junoir a flea treatment, either Advantage or Frontline ( not 
revolution, doesn't seem to help much for fleas in my opinion).

Once he is treated, the fleas should begin to die due to biting him.

Probably should treat allof the kitties, tho.

Maybe 3 months in a row.

Wash his bedding, that's where most of the eggs are hanging out probably.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:30 PM
  Subject: fleas arh

   
  Ok folk

  I shouldn't panic but I found a few fleas on Junior. I combed out what I 
could. It was only 4 fleas and only a little flea dirt. However his vet last 
year told me it only takes one flea to cause Haemobartonella. Now that was a 
year ago b4 his Felv dx. He was not tested for Haemobartonella, but was put on 
antibiotics. I really think the anemia was from the FeLV infection stage. He 
was only treated with Baytril for a week, maybe it was two weeks. He has not 
had anemia since. Junior is pretty much on his own but occasionally Silver goes 
into his room. I am guessing that is where the flea(s) came from. I had not had 
fleas on my cats all summer, and yes I check them with a flea comb. This past 
week, I started seeing a few so, I have been treating that cats with Advantage. 
Junior just got this as well.  

  I hope Junior will be ok. He is doing so well. Unfortunately I cannot 
spray or vacuum Erics room. He is in there 95% of the time due to COPD and 
possible polymyositis. His msucle biopsy shoud come back this week. That is 
where Junior stays. 

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Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as good
 forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and skin
 reactions.

See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart disease
kitty.  I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skin
reactions.  Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is a
crapshoot it seems.  I'd rather have nerve damage than heartworms.
(Not that I want either).


Some vets lately have been recommending Advantage Plus, which is
supposed to kill everything Revolution does.  I have not studied it
yet and it is not available at the source from which I get my
Revolution.
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Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-27 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

I used Revolution on my Monkee for the 4 years that I had him and we never had a skin reaction or any other problems. I used it because I wanted to kill as many worms as possible because he had been living outside at lease 6 mths and eating a rabbit, a dove, etc. a day (if not more than one per day-- little monster!).
I use Advantage now though on my indoor foster cat and an outdoor neighborhood cat I am treating for fleas. Advantage is just easier to come by and I heard that Advantage actually keeps the fleas from actually biting; whereas Revolution, the fleas bite first and then die? Is is this accurate? I was told by a vet that Advantage is better for cats with actual flea allergies or flea dermatis because those cats can't get even one flea bite. If I am wrong about this, someone please correct??
I wanted to keep the fleas from actually biting these cats because they seemed so bothered with fleas (scratching and biting ALL THE TIME), whereas, when I had Monkee, he never did that, even in the beginning when he first came in

Advantage works wonderfully tho. The outdoor kitty, I find her sleeping all the time- whereas before, she had trouble getting restful sleep because of the fleas biting; and she no longer scratches and bites constantly...I can tell that she KNOWS she feels better. My foster kitty came into my house as a complete flea bag! She left flea debris all over my bed the first night (ew...I freaked out!). I put Advantage on her the next day, changed the bed sheets and the very day after, NO FLEA DEBRIS AT ALL.All I found was 1 dead flea (whoo hoo!). I believe Advantage starts working within hours. Very effective.
-Caroline

From:"Kelley Saveika" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:Re: fleas arhDate:Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:45:18 -0500On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as good forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and skin reactions.See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart diseasekitty.I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skinreactions.Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is acrapshoot it seems.I'd rather have nerve damage than
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Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-27 Thread Leslie Lawther

I have not been keeping up with this thread... but I saw heartworms and
decided to read more.  *Everyone: Please don't be naive about heartworms!*
Take it from someone who has been heartbroken over losing a kitty that was
misdiagnosed with Asthma (when it was heartworms - diagnosed by necropsy).
She died instantly from a pulmonary embolism caused by heartworms.  I've
lost her to heartworms... and have two other rescues who have tested
positive.  Most vets haven't seen it because they assume heart attack when
it is really heartworms.

We are in Florida and the vets here are seeing it more and more of it each
year.  They are also seeing it with *indoor only* cats.  There is a blood
test for antibodies and another test that can be done to test for antigens.
I have used Revolution without problem ever since...  Our vet won't even
carry the new Advantage until there is more information on it... and more
practical data on the use of it.

Heartworm is out there (especially in warmer climates) and it is *deadly*...
I'll never get over losing Salem... or the guilt of not double checking her
diagnosis.  Now I watch my two other boys who have been diagnosed with it
like a hawk, and know I could lose either of them without a moment's
notice.  There is no cure for it like there is for dogs

Sorry if I've jumped in here mid discussion...

Leslie =^..^=


On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kelly,

 I have in the past discussed heartworms w/ Dr. Smith, and he said he has
 seen one case in 40+ years.

 I have never seen a case, myself,but I have seen several cats have skin
 reactions,nerve damage  death even from Revolution.

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 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
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 - Original Message -
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:45 AM
 Subject: Re: fleas arh


 On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as
 good
  forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and
 skin
  reactions.

 See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart disease
 kitty.  I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skin
 reactions.  Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is a
 crapshoot it seems.  I'd rather have nerve damage than heartworms.
 (Not that I want either).


 Some vets lately have been recommending Advantage Plus, which is
 supposed to kill everything Revolution does.  I have not studied it
 yet and it is not available at the source from which I get my
 Revolution.
 --





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Re: fleas arhhhhh

Who is Dr.Jones?

Is that Blatt's wife?

I bet if you asked Dr. Smith he would say heartworms is not that common.

Heis out of town, willbe back on Wed.

I will ask him.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
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www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
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   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
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- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: fleas arh


That makes me really nervous.  Dr Jones said it was really, really
important she be on heartworm prevention.

I wonder about Advantage Plus...I will ask Dr Samon about it...

On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kelly,

 I have in the past discussed heartworms w/ Dr. Smith, and he said he has
 seen one case in 40+ years.

 I have never seen a case, myself,but I have seen several cats have skin
 reactions,nerve damage  death even from Revolution.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
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 - Original Message -
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:45 AM
 Subject: Re: fleas arh


 On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as 
  good
  forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and 
  skin
  reactions.

 See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart disease
 kitty.  I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skin
 reactions.  Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is a
 crapshoot it seems.  I'd rather have nerve damage than heartworms.
 (Not that I want either).


 Some vets lately have been recommending Advantage Plus, which is
 supposed to kill everything Revolution does.  I have not studied it
 yet and it is not available at the source from which I get my
 Revolution.
 --





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Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

Yes, Dr. Jones is Dr. Blatt's wife.

Missy has an 8 mm hole in her heart.

On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Who is Dr.Jones?

 Is that Blatt's wife?

 I bet if you asked Dr. Smith he would say heartworms is not that common.

 Heis out of town, willbe back on Wed.

 I will ask him.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
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 - Original Message -
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:58 PM
 Subject: Re: fleas arh


 That makes me really nervous.  Dr Jones said it was really, really
 important she be on heartworm prevention.

 I wonder about Advantage Plus...I will ask Dr Samon about it...

 On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kelly,
 
  I have in the past discussed heartworms w/ Dr. Smith, and he said he has
  seen one case in 40+ years.
 
  I have never seen a case, myself,but I have seen several cats have skin
  reactions,nerve damage  death even from Revolution.
 
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
  Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:45 AM
  Subject: Re: fleas arh
 
 
  On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as
   good
   forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and
   skin
   reactions.
 
  See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart disease
  kitty.  I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skin
  reactions.  Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is a
  crapshoot it seems.  I'd rather have nerve damage than heartworms.
  (Not that I want either).
 
 
  Some vets lately have been recommending Advantage Plus, which is
  supposed to kill everything Revolution does.  I have not studied it
  yet and it is not available at the source from which I get my
  Revolution.
  --
 
 
 


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Re: fleas arhhhhh

Well, she might know her stuff as far as cardio health,but all of her 
credability w/me went out the window when I found that she was in charge of 
the cruel Primate test lab out in Bastrop,which in owned by UT.

I knew that her  her husband had been involved in this type of research in 
Hawaii years ago, but I thought they were passed that.

Apparently not.

And he almost got the Hawaiian research lab CLKOSED down due to extremem 
cruelty to the animals,not to mention the grants that he lost.

I would definately get a second opinion, how about the Specialty hospital 
that Samon uses?

There are very good doctors there, I used 2of them for a client's 2 dogs.

Sorry, I just would not give Jones the time of day.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: fleas arh


Yes, Dr. Jones is Dr. Blatt's wife.

Missy has an 8 mm hole in her heart.

On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Who is Dr.Jones?

 Is that Blatt's wife?

 I bet if you asked Dr. Smith he would say heartworms is not that common.

 Heis out of town, willbe back on Wed.

 I will ask him.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




 - Original Message -
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:58 PM
 Subject: Re: fleas arh


 That makes me really nervous.  Dr Jones said it was really, really
 important she be on heartworm prevention.

 I wonder about Advantage Plus...I will ask Dr Samon about it...

 On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kelly,
 
  I have in the past discussed heartworms w/ Dr. Smith, and he said he has
  seen one case in 40+ years.
 
  I have never seen a case, myself,but I have seen several cats have skin
  reactions,nerve damage  death even from Revolution.
 
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
  Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:45 AM
  Subject: Re: fleas arh
 
 
  On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as
   good
   forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and
   skin
   reactions.
 
  See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart disease
  kitty.  I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skin
  reactions.  Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is a
  crapshoot it seems.  I'd rather have nerve damage than heartworms.
  (Not that I want either).
 
 
  Some vets lately have been recommending Advantage Plus, which is
  supposed to kill everything Revolution does.  I have not studied it
  yet and it is not available at the source from which I get my
  Revolution.
  --
 
 
 


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http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

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Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-27 Thread Kelley Saveika

I went to that specialty hospital before I went to her.
Now we are going to see Dr. Miller at Texas AM...for a 3rd opinion.

On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, she might know her stuff as far as cardio health,but all of her
 credability w/me went out the window when I found that she was in charge of
 the cruel Primate test lab out in Bastrop,which in owned by UT.

 I knew that her  her husband had been involved in this type of research in
 Hawaii years ago, but I thought they were passed that.

 Apparently not.

 And he almost got the Hawaiian research lab CLKOSED down due to extremem
 cruelty to the animals,not to mention the grants that he lost.

 I would definately get a second opinion, how about the Specialty hospital
 that Samon uses?

 There are very good doctors there, I used 2of them for a client's 2 dogs.

 Sorry, I just would not give Jones the time of day.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




 - Original Message -
 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:17 PM
 Subject: Re: fleas arh


 Yes, Dr. Jones is Dr. Blatt's wife.

 Missy has an 8 mm hole in her heart.

 On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Who is Dr.Jones?
 
  Is that Blatt's wife?
 
  I bet if you asked Dr. Smith he would say heartworms is not that common.
 
  Heis out of town, willbe back on Wed.
 
  I will ask him.
 
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
  Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 1:58 PM
  Subject: Re: fleas arh
 
 
  That makes me really nervous.  Dr Jones said it was really, really
  important she be on heartworm prevention.
 
  I wonder about Advantage Plus...I will ask Dr Samon about it...
 
  On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Kelly,
  
   I have in the past discussed heartworms w/ Dr. Smith, and he said he has
   seen one case in 40+ years.
  
   I have never seen a case, myself,but I have seen several cats have skin
   reactions,nerve damage  death even from Revolution.
  
   Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
   www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
   www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
   www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
   Trajan Tennent
  
  
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:45 AM
   Subject: Re: fleas arh
  
  
   On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as
good
forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and
skin
reactions.
  
   See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart disease
   kitty.  I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skin
   reactions.  Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is a
   crapshoot it seems.  I'd rather have nerve damage than heartworms.
   (Not that I want either).
  
  
   Some vets lately have been recommending Advantage Plus, which is
   supposed to kill everything Revolution does.  I have not studied it
   yet and it is not available at the source from which I get my
   Revolution.
   --
  
  
  
 
 
  --
  Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
 
  http://www.rescuties.org
 
  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
 
  http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
 
  Please help Caroline!
 
  http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline
 
  I GoodSearch for Rescuties.
 
  Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the
  Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
 
 
 


 --
 Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

 http://www.rescuties.org

 Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

 http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

 Please help Caroline

Re: fleas arhhhhh also heartworms

Hi Leslie,

We just started on this thread, we got side tracked from fleas  
treatments,soyou haven't missed much.

I am sorry to hear that you lost a kitty to heartworms, and that you have 2 
more that have tested pos.

So, there no treatment for it, but what is the vet telling you to do from here 
on out for them?

just curious.

I myself, just cannot treat w/ a preventative  60+ cats every month for 
heartworms, especially when I have muliple chronically ill cats.

It is just something else that I personally feel like is not a priority for my 
cats, especially since my vet says it's rare.

I treat for fleas for a 90 day period when they have shown their ugly little 
heads, but after 90 days I stop.

I also do not vacinate my cats, it is just one more thing to stress out their 
fragile immune systems.

They are not allowed outside, and their enclosure is fly  proof via pet screen 
and I have not seen any mosquitoes, either.

It's just a risk I have to take, and I don't think there is a right answer or 
wrong answer here.

However, I do respect your opinion and I certainly understand why you are 
concerned about heartworms.

Please keep us updated on the 2 kitties that have heartworms, I would like to 
hear how they are in the future.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Leslie Lawther 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: fleas arh


  I have not been keeping up with this thread... but I saw heartworms and 
decided to read more.  Everyone: Please don't be naive about heartworms!  Take 
it from someone who has been heartbroken over losing a kitty that was 
misdiagnosed with Asthma (when it was heartworms - diagnosed by necropsy).  She 
died instantly from a pulmonary embolism caused by heartworms.  I've lost her 
to heartworms... and have two other rescues who have tested positive.  Most 
vets haven't seen it because they assume heart attack when it is really 
heartworms.  

  We are in Florida and the vets here are seeing it more and more of it each 
year.  They are also seeing it with indoor only cats.  There is a blood test 
for antibodies and another test that can be done to test for antigens.  I have 
used Revolution without problem ever since...  Our vet won't even carry the new 
Advantage until there is more information on it... and more practical data on 
the use of it.  

  Heartworm is out there (especially in warmer climates) and it is deadly...  
I'll never get over losing Salem... or the guilt of not double checking her 
diagnosis.  Now I watch my two other boys who have been diagnosed with it like 
a hawk, and know I could lose either of them without a moment's notice.  There 
is no cure for it like there is for dogs 

  Sorry if I've jumped in here mid discussion... 

  Leslie =^..^=

   
  On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Kelly,

I have in the past discussed heartworms w/ Dr. Smith, and he said he has
seen one case in 40+ years. 

I have never seen a case, myself,but I have seen several cats have skin
reactions,nerve damage  death even from Revolution.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra lay in state, 
  Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
  Purring welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding with sharpened claws. 
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: fleas arh


On 8/27/07, Susan Dubose  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Frontline , Advantage is good, but I would not use Revolution, as as good
 forfleas, has Ivermec in it, can cause nerve damage in some cats and skin
 reactions. 

See, I use Revolution every month, especially on my heart disease
kitty.  I am more worried about heartworms than nerve damage or skin
reactions.  Not that nerve damage is good, but everything is a
crapshoot it seems.  I'd rather have nerve damage than heartworms. 
(Not that I want either).


Some vets lately have been recommending Advantage Plus, which is
supposed to kill everything Revolution does.  I have not studied it
yet and it is not available at the source from which I get my 
Revolution

Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-26 Thread Susan Dubose

Sally,

Don't feel bad, fleas are particulairly devilish this year due to the rains.

I would give Junoir a flea treatment, either Advantage or Frontline ( not 
revolution, doesn't seem to help much for fleas in my opinion).

Once he is treated, the fleas should begin to die due to biting him.

Probably should treat allof the kitties, tho.

Maybe 3 months in a row.

Wash his bedding, that's where most of the eggs are hanging out probably.

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:30 PM
  Subject: fleas arh


  Ok folk

  I shouldn't panic but I found a few fleas on Junior. I combed out what I 
could. It was only 4 fleas and only a little flea dirt. However his vet last 
year told me it only takes one flea to cause Haemobartonella. Now that was a 
year ago b4 his Felv dx. He was not tested for Haemobartonella, but was put on 
antibiotics. I really think the anemia was from the FeLV infection stage. He 
was only treated with Baytril for a week, maybe it was two weeks. He has not 
had anemia since. Junior is pretty much on his own but occasionally Silver goes 
into his room. I am guessing that is where the flea(s) came from. I had not had 
fleas on my cats all summer, and yes I check them with a flea comb. This past 
week, I started seeing a few so, I have been treating that cats with Advantage. 
Junior just got this as well.  

  I hope Junior will be ok. He is doing so well. Unfortunately I cannot spray 
or vacuum Erics room. He is in there 95% of the time due to COPD and possible 
polymyositis. His msucle biopsy shoud come back this week. That is where Junior 
stays. 

  Sally 




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Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post your 
as well.

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Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-26 Thread OfALegend

What protocol do you guys usually follow for your positive cats (who are  
exclusively indoor, of course) and flea treatments?  I'm sure with the  FeLV, 
flea bites are even more dangerous.  Should I be treating them with  
Frontline/Advantage every month year round, monthly during the summer  months, 
every three 
months, never?
 
 
Michael



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Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-26 Thread Sally Davis

Hi Susan

Thanks, we have been terribly dry this summer maybe that is why the fleas
took so long to show up. He sleeps on the floor or on Eric's bed. I had to
change the bed linens this morning as Eric is sick. I already treated all
the cats except for Daisy she is too squirmy to get a hold of. I was even
able to get some Advantage on my semi-feral girl. She only comes in to eat.

I buy the 50 pound dog sized Advantage which will treat about 4 cats maybe
5. With 11 cats now it is the only way I can afford the stuff. I always have
some around and yes, I will probably have to treat them for the next few
months.

 I usually know when I have fleas because of Spike, she is allergic and
starts getting scabs from the bites. She is the reason I knew the fleas were
showing up. She was treated first. Oh yes and fleas love me as well.

Sally

On 8/26/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Sally,

 Don't feel bad, fleas are particulairly devilish this year due to the
 rains.

 I would give Junoir a flea treatment, either Advantage or Frontline ( not
 revolution, doesn't seem to help much for fleas in my opinion).

 Once he is treated, the fleas should begin to die due to biting him.

 Probably should treat allof the kitties, tho.

 Maybe 3 months in a row.

 Wash his bedding, that's where most of the eggs are hanging out probably.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
  Trajan Tennent





 - Original Message -
 *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:30 PM
 *Subject:* fleas arh


 Ok folk

 I shouldn't panic but I found a few fleas on Junior. I combed out what I
 could. It was only 4 fleas and only a little flea dirt. However his vet last
 year told me it only takes one flea to cause *Haemobartonella. Now that
 was a year ago b4 his Felv dx. He was not tested for Haemobartonella, but
 was put on antibiotics. I really think the anemia was from the FeLV
 infection stage. He was only treated with Baytril for a week, maybe it was
 two weeks. He has not had anemia since. Junior is pretty much on his own but
 occasionally Silver goes into his room. I am guessing that is where the
 flea(s) came from. I had not had fleas on my cats all summer, and yes I
 check them with a flea comb. This past week, I started seeing a few so, I
 have been treating that cats with Advantage. Junior just got this as well.
 *
 **
 *I hope Junior will be ok. He is doing so well. Unfortunately I cannot
 spray or vacuum Erics room. He is in there 95% of the time due to COPD and
 possible polymyositis. His msucle biopsy shoud come back this week. That is
 where Junior stays. *
 **
 *Sally*

 **


 --
 Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty,
 Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures
 post your as well.

 http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3




-- 
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post
your as well.

http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-26 Thread Sally Davis

Susan,

By the time I would be able to get the Capstar the advantage should have
killed the fleas already on Junior. I find it works in 24 hours as well.

Michael, I am not sure. Fleas can hitch hike on you, but I would think the
risk is fairly small. I hate using chemicals indiscriminately or I would
tell you to treat your lawn. That is where fleas multiply outside. Maybe a
barrier at your doors of diatomaceous earth might be a good idea.

Sally



  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
  Trajan Tennent





 - Original Message -
 *From:* Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:51 PM
 *Subject:* Re: fleas arh


 Sally,

 Don't feel bad, fleas are particulairly devilish this year due to the
 rains.

 I would give Junoir a flea treatment, either Advantage or Frontline ( not
 revolution, doesn't seem to help much for fleas in my opinion).

 Once he is treated, the fleas should begin to die due to biting him.

 Probably should treat allof the kitties, tho.

 Maybe 3 months in a row.

 Wash his bedding, that's where most of the eggs are hanging out probably.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
  Trajan Tennent





 - Original Message -
 *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:30 PM
 *Subject:* fleas arh


 Ok folk

 I shouldn't panic but I found a few fleas on Junior. I combed out what I
 could. It was only 4 fleas and only a little flea dirt. However his vet last
 year told me it only takes one flea to cause *Haemobartonella. Now that
 was a year ago b4 his Felv dx. He was not tested for Haemobartonella, but
 was put on antibiotics. I really think the anemia was from the FeLV
 infection stage. He was only treated with Baytril for a week, maybe it was
 two weeks. He has not had anemia since. Junior is pretty much on his own but
 occasionally Silver goes into his room. I am guessing that is where the
 flea(s) came from. I had not had fleas on my cats all summer, and yes I
 check them with a flea comb. This past week, I started seeing a few so, I
 have been treating that cats with Advantage. Junior just got this as well.
 *
 **
 *I hope Junior will be ok. He is doing so well. Unfortunately I cannot
 spray or vacuum Erics room. He is in there 95% of the time due to COPD and
 possible polymyositis. His msucle biopsy shoud come back this week. That is
 where Junior stays. *
 **
 *Sally*

 **


 --
 Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty,
 Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures
 post your as well.

 http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3




-- 
Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little
Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post
your as well.

http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3

Re: fleas arhhhhh

2007-08-26 Thread Marylyn

They can hitch hike.  I repeatedly sprayed/dropped etc Ebony Thomas Katt for 
fleas.  He was the only possible source of them coming into my 
homeuntil I looked at my dark clothes one day and saw one jump off.  I 
was the source.  You should have seen the I TOLD YOU SO look on Ebony's face. 
  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: fleas arh


  Susan, 

  By the time I would be able to get the Capstar the advantage should have 
killed the fleas already on Junior. I find it works in 24 hours as well.

  Michael, I am not sure. Fleas can hitch hike on you, but I would think the 
risk is fairly small. I hate using chemicals indiscriminately or I would tell 
you to treat your lawn. That is where fleas multiply outside. Maybe a barrier 
at your doors of diatomaceous earth might be a good idea. 

  Sally

   
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state, 
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws. 
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:51 PM
  Subject: Re: fleas arh

   
  Sally,

  Don't feel bad, fleas are particulairly devilish this year due to the 
rains.

  I would give Junoir a flea treatment, either Advantage or Frontline ( not 
revolution, doesn't seem to help much for fleas in my opinion).

  Once he is treated, the fleas should begin to die due to biting him.

  Probably should treat allof the kitties, tho.

  Maybe 3 months in a row.

  Wash his bedding, that's where most of the eggs are hanging out probably.

  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra lay in state, 
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws. 
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Sally Davis 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: fleas arh

 
Ok folk

I shouldn't panic but I found a few fleas on Junior. I combed out what 
I could. It was only 4 fleas and only a little flea dirt. However his vet last 
year told me it only takes one flea to cause Haemobartonella. Now that was a 
year ago b4 his Felv dx. He was not tested for Haemobartonella, but was put on 
antibiotics. I really think the anemia was from the FeLV infection stage. He 
was only treated with Baytril for a week, maybe it was two weeks. He has not 
had anemia since. Junior is pretty much on his own but occasionally Silver goes 
into his room. I am guessing that is where the flea(s) came from. I had not had 
fleas on my cats all summer, and yes I check them with a flea comb. This past 
week, I started seeing a few so, I have been treating that cats with Advantage. 
Junior just got this as well.  

I hope Junior will be ok. He is doing so well. Unfortunately I cannot 
spray or vacuum Erics room. He is in there 95% of the time due to COPD and 
possible polymyositis. His msucle biopsy shoud come back this week. That is 
where Junior stays. 

Sally 




-- 
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Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures 
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Getting rid of fleas????

2007-08-14 Thread Beckie McRae

Ok guys, so what in your opinion is the best way to rid your house of
fleas?

 

Beckie

RE:OT Getting rid of fleas????

2007-08-14 Thread Melissa Lind

Beckie,

 

We don't have fleas, but my mom did, and she has to have the Orkin man come
periodically to get rid of the problem and prevent it from coming back.
Sounds to me as though it is an on-going battle, so I don't envy you at all!

 

Melissa

 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Getting rid of fleas

 

Ok guys, so what in your opinion is the best way to rid your house of fleas?

 

Beckie

Re: Getting rid of fleas????

2007-08-14 Thread Susan Dubose

Treat all cats w/ Advantage for 3 months in a row.

GIve them all a Capstar for immediate effect.

Wash ALL bedding, if you have carpeting, vacumm very well or clean it.

Mop all floors w/ a good cleaner.

No need to set off bombs or anyting, if you treat all the cats for 3 months, 
the fleas will die out.

They are living off the cats, so they will die as they bite the cat.


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  Subject: Getting rid of fleas


  Ok guys, so what in your opinion is the best way to rid your house of fleas?

   

  Beckie

Re: Getting rid of fleas????

2007-08-14 Thread wendy

Rip up the carpet, replace with tile, and treat all animals either holistically 
or with Advantage during the warm months.  A bit drastic, but it works...lol.

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Ok guys, so what in your opinion is the best way to rid your house of fleas?
 
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Re: WAS: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas; NOW: Heartworm

2007-05-14 Thread Susan Tillman

On Sun, 13 May 2007 15:02:19 -0500 Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I use Revolution for heartworms.  How do yall prevent heartworms w/out
 Revolution?  Are there other ways?

Hi Kelley,

I also use Revolution for my kitty, Shane. However, there are other
preventatives available. Merial makes Heartgard (ivermectin) for cats and
Novartis makes Interceptor (milbemycin oxime), so those would be other
options. My vet prefers Revolution, I guess because it also deals with
fleas, etc., plus it doesn't involve trying to get a pill into the cat
(always a plus!). LOL

After going through a three-month treatment process for my heartworm
positive dog (found out he had it after I adopted him from the shelter) and
learning how deadly it can be in cats, I decided that in this case,
prevention is the way to go (I feel the benefits outweigh the risks of using
these chemicals).

Heartgard: http://us.merial.com/pet_owners/cats/products.asp

Interceptor: http://www.interceptor.novartis.us/cat/en/about.shtml

American Heartworm Society's information about heartworm in cats:
http://www.knowheartworms.org/ and
http://www.heartwormsociety.org/FelineHeartwormInfo.htm

Sue
and Shane (FeLV+)

Re: WAS: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas; NOW: Heartworm

2007-05-14 Thread Kelley Saveika


Yes, all my cats are on Revolution (the adult ones).

Ye gods it is expensive, even ordering from Australia:(

I think that Revolution has enough additional benefits to teh cat to
merit it use.

On 5/14/07, Susan Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, 13 May 2007 15:02:19 -0500 Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I use Revolution for heartworms.  How do yall prevent heartworms w/out
 Revolution?  Are there other ways?

Hi Kelley,

I also use Revolution for my kitty, Shane. However, there are other
preventatives available. Merial makes Heartgard (ivermectin) for cats and
Novartis makes Interceptor (milbemycin oxime), so those would be other
options. My vet prefers Revolution, I guess because it also deals with
fleas, etc., plus it doesn't involve trying to get a pill into the cat
(always a plus!). LOL

After going through a three-month treatment process for my heartworm
positive dog (found out he had it after I adopted him from the shelter) and
learning how deadly it can be in cats, I decided that in this case,
prevention is the way to go (I feel the benefits outweigh the risks of using
these chemicals).

Heartgard: http://us.merial.com/pet_owners/cats/products.asp

Interceptor: http://www.interceptor.novartis.us/cat/en/about.shtml

American Heartworm Society's information about heartworm in cats:
http://www.knowheartworms.org/ and
http://www.heartwormsociety.org/FelineHeartwormInfo.htm

Sue
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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

2007-05-13 Thread PEC2851

 
In a message dated 5/12/07 3:01:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]  
writes:

All pesticides are toxic poisons,  something people tend to forget! That's 
why I do my best to avoid using them,  and I use a flea shampoo first, as it 
rinses off. Like I said, if it has  numerous warnings 


So true...
And, I always tended to avoid using them, bathing dogs, etc., but now,  since 
MVA it's not possible for me to get my dogs in tub (Especially, my  
Rottie.  But I can't even lift my small [approx. 45 lbs.] dog into  tub!!)
And, when I [finally] got home from hosp., I had a SEVERE flea epidemic!!!  
(Rainy spring...)
Needless to say, dogs had to go out, all my cats are indoor only,  but, well, 
fleas are monsters!!!
And, bathing some of my cats [now] is next to impossible.  Any  suggestions???
And, guess what?  Another rainy spring, fleas are  starting...
I guess I could hose down  bathe the K-9's prior to bringing  them in. 
But, they only go out for walks, not chained outside or  anything, but those 
dern fleas are quick
What to do, what to do..
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topic change:- fleas

2007-05-13 Thread MaryChristine


plant pennyroyal outside in your yards. it's an herb, and it grows like,
well, a weed

while pennyroyal OIL itself can be toxic in high concentration, as was
mentioned before, it's been used as part of flea repellant preparations for
years.

back before they made the topical flea products, during a really bad flea
summer, friends noticed that their household had NONE while everyone they
knew were just infested. and they had a dog that was in and out

they had a rock garden, and they'd planted pennyroyal in that. being the
weedy little thing that it is, it basically took over the yard--so everytime
Dag (yes, that was her name) was racing around in the yard, she was busily
repelling fleas -- by the time she came in, no visitors came in with her.

my friends were of the sort who did a lot out in their yard--gardening,
having big parties, etc--and they didn't bring the little buggies in with
them, either.

worth a try, and smells nice, too.



On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 In a message dated 5/12/07 3:01:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

All pesticides are toxic poisons, something people tend to forget! That's
why I do my best to avoid using them, and I use a flea shampoo first, as it
rinses off. Like I said, if it has numerous warnings

 So true...
And, I always tended to avoid using them, bathing dogs, etc., but now,
since MVA it's not possible for me to get my dogs in tub (Especially, my
Rottie.  But I can't even lift my small [approx. 45 lbs.] dog into tub!!)
And, when I [finally] got home from hosp., I had a SEVERE flea epidemic!!!
(Rainy spring...)
Needless to say, dogs *had* to go out, all my cats are indoor only, but,
well, fleas are monsters!!!
And, bathing some of my cats [now] is next to impossible.  Any
suggestions???
And, guess what?  Another rainy spring, fleas are starting...
I guess I *could* hose down  bathe the K-9's prior to bringing them
in. But, they only go out for walks, not *chained *outside or
anything, but those dern fleas are quick
What to do, what to do..
Hugs,
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Re: topic change:- fleas

2007-05-13 Thread Nina

The oil is also used as a flea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flea 
repellant for pets. This latter usage is the origin of the plant's Latin 
species name, the flea being /Pulex irritans/. However the distantly 
related American Pennyroyal 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pennyroyal or /Hedeoma 
pulegioides/ is the source of much of what is called /*pennyroyal oil*/.


Love that Google!
N

MaryChristine wrote:
plant pennyroyal outside in your yards. it's an herb, and it grows 
like, well, a weed


while pennyroyal OIL itself can be toxic in high concentration, as was 
mentioned before, it's been used as part of flea repellant 
preparations for years.


back before they made the topical flea products, during a really bad 
flea summer, friends noticed that their household had NONE while 
everyone they knew were just infested. and they had a dog that was 
in and out


they had a rock garden, and they'd planted pennyroyal in that. being 
the weedy little thing that it is, it basically took over the yard--so 
everytime Dag (yes, that was her name) was racing around in the yard, 
she was busily repelling fleas -- by the time she came in, no visitors 
came in with her.


my friends were of the sort who did a lot out in their 
yard--gardening, having big parties, etc--and they didn't bring the 
little buggies in with them, either.


worth a try, and smells nice, too.

Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

2007-05-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Patti, I think in cases where people have indoor/outdoor pets, like dogs,
and live in a high flea zone, it's almost impossible to avoid repellant type
fleas medications. It's probably worth the risk in those cases.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

2007-05-13 Thread Kelley Saveika


I use Revolution for heartworms.  How do yall prevent heartworms w/out
Revolution?  Are there other ways?

On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Patti, I think in cases where people have indoor/outdoor pets, like dogs,
and live in a high flea zone, it's almost impossible to avoid repellant type
fleas medications. It's probably worth the risk in those cases.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

2007-05-13 Thread MaryChristine


some of live in places where heartworms haven't discovered cats yet..
or, at least, where vets don't think they have.

On 5/13/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I use Revolution for heartworms.  How do yall prevent heartworms w/out
Revolution?  Are there other ways?

On 5/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Patti, I think in cases where people have indoor/outdoor pets, like
dogs,
 and live in a high flea zone, it's almost impossible to avoid repellant
type
 fleas medications. It's probably worth the risk in those cases.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

2007-05-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm in Vermont, we don't have mosquitoes very much here, certainly not in
the house! No risk here.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

2007-05-13 Thread Kelley Saveika


Yall are lucky in that respect.  For me it is a much bigger risk to
leave them unprotected for heartworms.  Awareness is ok around
here..we even have a billbord on I-35 - One heartworm can kill your
cat.  Treatment isn't anywhere naer as good as it is in dogs.

So many times I find it is a matter of picking which option is less
dangerous.  Which I hate, but what can you do

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I'm in Vermont, we don't have mosquitoes very much here, certainly not in
the house! No risk here.

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

2007-05-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

All pesticides are toxic poisons, something people tend to forget! That's
why I do my best to avoid using them, and I use a flea shampoo first, as it
rinses off. Like I said, if it has numerous warnings on it to wash your
hands after contact... do you REALLY want to POUR it over your cat's skin
(and leave it there)?!

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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

I almost lost one of my cats using Advantage,,
She was 3 years old  went into a semi-coma Was hospitalized for  over 
3 weeks.
Still never found out why.  Thought I would lose her.  I was  frantic, 
didn't know just what the problem was
Thank heavens she finally came around -after a really long time.
I will NEVER use it again!
Now use Frontline - NO problems  at all...
Still can't figure what the problem was. Either could  vet.
Just my personal experience
Hugs,
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Re: OT- Cheap source of Zithromax? - fleas

2007-05-10 Thread Leslie Lawther


*I had a similar situation with Frontline.  Threw my boy Alex into liver
failure.  When the vet looked at his CBC he looked baffled and all he could
say was This is a train wreck! -  He explained that all he could do is
start with the most important organs and work his way up.  Thought we would
lose Alex too... I'm very careful with Frontline... never had trouble with
Advantage though.*

*Leslie =^..^=*



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 I almost lost one of my cats using Advantage,,
She was 3 years old  went into a semi-coma Was hospitalized for
over 3 weeks.
Still never found out why.  Thought I would lose her.  I was frantic,
didn't know just what the problem was
Thank heavens she finally came around -after a really long time.
I will *NEVER *use it again!
Now use Frontline - NO problems  at all...
Still can't figure what the problem was. Either could vet.
Just my personal experience
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Re: OT- - fleas/ Leslie

 
In a message dated 5/10/07 4:29:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I'm very careful with Frontline... never had  trouble with Advantage though. 
Leslie  =^..^=


I guess we will never know just what cr*p they're using in their  
supposedly safe guards for flea prevention...
Leslie, I am so sorry for your loss of Alex... Words can't even express  
my thoughts.
I was very fortunate w/ Meisha.  I know, only too  well, that I did face 
losing her. And, that thought alone broke my  heart..
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Re: OT- - fleas/ Leslie

2007-05-10 Thread Leslie Lawther


*We did not lose our big ole-sweetheart-polydactyl Alex... THANK GOODNESS!!
He struggled for a few months though! *
**
*Have you noticed how it burns them terribly to put Frontline or Advantage
on them?!  I sincerely hate using it... but have to.  We are in Florida and
are seeing a lot of heartworm in the cats... so I use Revolution now.*

*Leslie =^..^=*



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 In a message dated 5/10/07 4:29:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

*I'm very careful with Frontline... never had trouble with Advantage
though. *

*Leslie =^..^=*

 I guess we will never know *just what cr*p* they're using in their
supposedly safe guards for flea prevention...
Leslie, I am so sorry for your loss of Alex... Words can't even
express my thoughts.
I was *very* fortunate w/ Meisha.  I know, only too well, that I did face
losing her. And, that thought alone broke my heart..
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Re: OT- - fleas/ Leslie-PS: MAJOR ERROR

Leslie,
Sorrybrain's not working [yet/again].
I thought you had lost Alex.
Is he ok now?
I also know only too well about liver failure/damage in cats  My  dear, 
old, ancient Puma went into liver failure when I was having new flooring  put 
in my house.  The d_mn idiots didn't do something or  other  poor Puma walked 
in poison  I swear, Puma is my  miracle boy  With all he's been 
throughand to  think, I rescued him due his seniority - he was faced w/ 
PTS by 
shelter  ONLY because of his age ( I'm just so glad I was there  for him, 
just like he's always been here for me.And I pray  he'll be with me much 
longer.  He's my rock.)
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Re: OT- - fleas/ Leslie