Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-17 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.08.2006 Tyler Turner wrote: For this option to not hurt my work, it would have to have some sort of checker that I could run to hunt for items with this setting. It would be difficult enough for me to remember if I had enabled this setting for an object in one of my own scores several

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-17 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Creating the parts when setting up the score would be a serious limitation, and cause a lot of extra work later on. How so? If you needed an additional part, you'd create it. There would be times that you could change the staves that were in a

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-17 Thread Matthew Hindson Fastmail acct
Johannes Gebauer wrote: I might be missing something, but what is wrong with having items which can be set to only display in the score, even before parts exist. Ok, an additional benefit might be to include a mechanism which could selectivly link them to certain parts, but as a start I'd be

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-17 Thread dhbailey
Tyler Turner wrote: --- Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might be missing something, but what is wrong with having items which can be set to only display in the score, even before parts exist. Ok, an additional benefit might be to include a mechanism which could selectivly link

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-17 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.08.2006 Tyler Turner wrote: How so? If you needed an additional part, you'd create it. There would be times that you could change the staves that were in a part and preserve the work that had been done to the part from the score. I don't understand how having a linked part from the

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.08.2006 Tyler Turner wrote: This is consistent with what I would have expected to see after 2 years of communicating with thousands of users. Tyler, I certainly do not want to criticize you personally. However, MakeMusic's (and in fact Coda's) level of communication with its user

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.08.2006 Robert Patterson wrote: Allen Fisher: You can also hide it in the score, and leave it in for the parts. The Unlink from Parts option is grayed out until there actually are parts present. What we were discussing is setting this up once in a template. Stupid. Really stupid.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 15 Aug 2006 at 14:14, dc wrote: Tyler Turner écrit: Is it [Unicode support] requested as much as any of the major features implemented in Finale over the past few years? Not by a long shot. Textured paper springs to mind... From a programming standpoint, textured

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/15/2006 06:41 PM, Morris Inouye wrote: On 8/15/06, A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a question of just font but more in data processing. Finale has to be Unicode native in order to run natively on current OSes. Sorry, I must have missed this statement. What OSes? Mac?

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Richard Yates
But precisely because it was such an easy thing to implement, and because the benefit to notation is zero and it is merely cosmetic and only works in Page View, what grates is the big splash such a tiny improvement made in the marketing hype. It was touted as a huge feature. Reminds me of a

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Phil Daley / 2006/08/16 / 06:51 AM wrote: What OSes?nbsp; Mac?nbsp; Linux?brbr All but Windows as I mentioned. There are zillions of Windows quot;non Unicode nativequot; programs that run perfectly on Windows.brbr br I bet you have never used non English OS, yes? -- - Hiro Hiroaki

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Phil Daley
At 8/16/2006 09:52 AM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Phil Daley / 2006/08/16 / 06:51 AM wrote: What OSes?nbsp; Mac?nbsp; Linux?brbr All but Windows as I mentioned. There are zillions of Windows quot;non Unicode nativequot; programs that run perfectly on Windows.brbr br I bet you have never used non

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Phil Daley / 2006/08/16 / 10:18 AM wrote: I have run German and Polish WinNT Oh, OK. My apology. I should had said multi-byte language. Oracle was probably the first utf-8 commercial product widely used everywhere. NT5 kernel and later will process data in utf-8, but Windows display engine

Re: *** Spam *** Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.08.2006 Richard Yates wrote: Reminds me of a recent luxury car advertisement that made conspicuous mention of the heated windshield washer fluid as if this was a major engineering breakthrough. Recent? I have that in my very old car built in 1989... Johannes

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15.08.2006 Robert Patterson wrote: The Unlink from Parts option is grayed out until there actually are parts present. What we were discussing is setting this up once in a template. Stupid. Really stupid. I'd call it necessary. Where

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Lon Price
I installed FinMac 2007 Monday night, and I must say that this upgrade is the most important to me since '04, which brought Finale into Mac OSX.  The linked parts feature is going to save me a tremendous amount of time, as well as disk space.  I was able to open an existing file, set up linked

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 16.08.2006 Tyler Turner wrote: I'd call it necessary. Where is an object going to show up at if it's not linked when the part is initially created? It sounds to me like we'd have some extremely unpredictable behavior if the creation of a part didn't initially have objects placed in the same

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Ok .. after reading all the reviews and deciding that Fin07 is probably a good thing (i.e., more positives than negatives, I think) I shall order the upgrade immediately. Thank you all for the dialog and wish me luck. Dean ___ Finale mailing

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-16 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might be missing something, but what is wrong with having items which can be set to only display in the score, even before parts exist. Ok, an additional benefit might be to include a mechanism which could selectivly link them to certain

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread William Roberts
dc wrote: Does anyone know if Sibelius supports Unicode fonts? Yes, it does. On Mac it also supports OpenType features such as automatic ligatures, which is pretty cool! Best, -WR ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread Jón Kristinn Cortez
dc wrote: Does anyone know if Sibelius supports Unicode fonts? William Roberts écrit: Yes, it does. On Mac it also supports OpenType features such as automatic ligatures, which is pretty cool! Thanks! Pretty cool indeed. The main reason I need Unicode is precisely for ligatures.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread dhbailey
Rudolf van Berkum wrote: Dennis Collins asked: Does Finale 2007 support Unicode? This has been on my wish-list for years... But I see no mention of this on the website. I posed this very question to FinWin support in July, and their reply was: Finale does not currently support

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot From this we can conclude that frequency of requests for a particular feature doesn't always mean diddly-squat in Finale's prioritizing which features get implemented or improved. Just another bit of confidence slowly eroding away. Calling

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread dhbailey
Tyler Turner wrote: --- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot From this we can conclude that frequency of requests for a particular feature doesn't always mean diddly-squat in Finale's prioritizing which features get implemented or improved. Just another bit of confidence slowly eroding away.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the head tech-support person calls something a very popular request we can only assume that it is a very popular request and there seems to be nothing particularly relative about that. Unless they rank things by some sort of scale such as

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler Turner écrit: Is it [Unicode support] requested as much as any of the major features implemented in Finale over the past few years? Not by a long shot. Textured paper springs to mind... Dennis I'd put money on more people caring about

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Tyler Turner / 2006/08/15 / 07:09 AM wrote: Calling unicode a popular feature request is sort of a relative statement. Is it requested by people? Yes. Is it requested as much as any of the major features implemented in Finale over the past few years? Not by a long shot. That's not the point,

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread Tyler Turner
--- A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the point, tho. All the OSes process data in UTF-8/16 now. Even Win2K/XP processes in Unicode even though their display is still MS propriety code page. Yes, it was the point. We were discussing the popularity of unicode as a

RE: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread Fisher, Allen
You can also hide it in the score, and leave it in for the parts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tyler Turner Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:53 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review --- Robert

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread Morris Inouye
On 8/15/06, A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler Turner / 2006/08/15 / 07:09 AM wrote:Calling unicode a popular feature request is sort ofa relative statement. Is it requested by people? Yes.Is it requested as much as any of the major features implemented in Finale over the past few years?

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread dhbailey
Morris Inouye wrote: On 8/15/06, *A-NO-NE Music* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tyler Turner / 2006/08/15 / 07:09 AM wrote: Calling unicode a popular feature request is sort of a relative statement. Is it requested by people? Yes. Is it requested as

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 15 Aug 2006 at 7:55, dhbailey wrote: As to the linked score/parts, whether it was the number 1 request from users or not, the moment Sibelius' marketing department began touting it as a great feature of Sib4, I'm sure the Finale marketing department began clamoring for it, and it seems

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Tyler Turner / 2006/08/15 / 01:13 PM wrote: --- A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not the point, tho. All the OSes process data in UTF-8/16 now. Even Win2K/XP processes in Unicode even though their display is still MS propriety code page. Yes, it was the point. We were

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 15 Aug 2006 at 14:14, dc wrote: Tyler Turner écrit: Is it [Unicode support] requested as much as any of the major features implemented in Finale over the past few years? Not by a long shot. Textured paper springs to mind... From a programming standpoint, textured paper was one of the

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Oh man. My copy of FinMac207 was scheduled to be delivered yesterday, which has changed to today by mid day yesterday. I waited all day today. Checking UPS site for tracking every hour. I just did that at 11:30 pm and it still said On Schedule, In Transit. Just now, at 11:45 pm, it turns into

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-15 Thread Tyler Turner
--- A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it was the point. We were discussing the popularity of unicode as a feature request. Huh? I was talking about data passing. You enter utf-8 character in File Info under Finale's File menu, which is corrupted on Page view. I wasn't

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-14 Thread dhbailey
Richard Smith wrote: [snip] because one of the two comes closer to the way we think about music. I'm glad both [Sibelius and Finale] are so mature and capable. [snip] Amen to that, Richard -- without Sibelius, Finale wouldn't have become anything near the program it is today, and without

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-14 Thread Richard Smith
My Finale experience goes back about 1991 or so. I remember when nearly everyone used speedy entry nearly all of the time. Finale's new simple entry is indeed quite good. I hesitate to point out that simple entry was a response to Sibelius' note entry methods (v. 2004 I believe). When I

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-14 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:59 AM 8/14/2006, Richard Smith wrote: I hesitate to point out that simple entry was a response to Sibelius' note entry methods (v. 2004 I believe). When I upgraded to 2005 it was specifically to get simple entry. Well, Simple Entry had been around in Finale for a long time before that.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-14 Thread Robert Patterson
Richard Smith wrote: I would like the first two beats of the measure to have the second violin part in voice 2. I don't want the entire bar in voice 2 because it's a piano part and I don't want unneeded stems hanging around. For this kind of short polyphony I would use V1/V2 rather than

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.08.2006 Richard Smith wrote: I respond to Finale much as you do to Sibelius. I think it's just that I am more familiar with Sibelius. Having customized Finale to reflect your own manner of working is best. Similarly I have programmed Sibelius keyboard commands for my laptop to

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread dhbailey
Richard Smith wrote: Yes. On the keypad (under the second tab) there is a button the toggles between full size and cue size. Select any note or passage, click the button and it becomes a cue. Click it again and it's full size. Disabling the sound (if you want) is a second step found in the

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread dhbailey
Richard Smith wrote: I think different people think and work differently and this is why a feature some like is deplored by others. Although I had almost 10 years of successful Finale experience before moving primarily to Sibelius, I much prefer the way Sibelius works. I have frequently said

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 12, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 12.08.2006 Richard Smith wrote: If I understand your question, Sibelius will allow you to select a note or entire passage and, with one click, convert it into a cue. You can also easily turn off the sound in the passage (or note by

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 13.08.2006 Christopher Smith wrote: If you are using Finale's Create Cue plugin, you get just about everything you need, except, of course, mirror behaviour. You can turn off playback for Layer 4 on any staff with a cue, assuming you are reserving Layer 4 for cues. No, that plugin

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Aug 2006 at 8:25, dhbailey wrote: Curiously though, there are also some heavy-hitter Sibelius users (admittedly not many) who don't like it either and who use Sibelius' wonderful key-mapping feature to map most of their most commonly used keypad commands to qwerty-keyboard commands.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread Richard Smith
I think I was unclear about the Keypad in Sibelius. Most of the time (laptop on the go excluded) I use the 10 key pad on the keyboard. Clicking on the toolbar on the screen is slower. The features I like to have close at hand are almost all on the top tab on the keypad (or in the right click

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I was unclear about the Keypad in Sibelius. Most of the time (laptop on the go excluded) I use the 10 key pad on the keyboard. Clicking on the toolbar on the screen is slower. The features I like to have close at hand are almost all

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Aug 2006 at 22:11, Richard Smith wrote: I think I was unclear about the Keypad in Sibelius. Most of the time (laptop on the go excluded) I use the 10 key pad on the keyboard. But I have to use the onscreen toolbar to know what the hell the keys do on the keypad. Clicking on the toolbar

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread Don Hart
Hi Richard, I may not totally understand the difficulties your job presented, but layers can easily be reassigned if view active layer only is selected, and all four layers are not in use (doable, but not what I'd describe as easy when all layers are busy). I believe that there is also a plugin

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Don Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard, I may not totally understand the difficulties your job presented, but layers can easily be reassigned if view active layer only is selected, and all four layers are not in use (doable, but not what I'd describe as easy when all layers

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-13 Thread Richard Smith
Say two violin staves are to be combined into one treble clef piano part. In one measure, violin one plays dotted quarter, eighth, and half notes. Violin two plays two half notes. After the two are combined, the second violin part has become dotted quarter tied to eighth followed by half.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 12.08.2006 Tyler Turner wrote: I don't understand why this is a problem. Johannes pointed out that you can change it in the File Info dialog, either to whatever text you want or to nothing at all. Doesn't this cover it? Not quite, although at least it does give the functionality it had

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do like to have Partitur printed on the the cover of my scores, but I do not want it either on the first page, or at the top of every other page, like I do with part names. This is impossible without having to correct it manually after

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Aug 2006 at 14:43, Andrew Stiller wrote: I suspect from all this that linked parts will indeed prove invaluable for chamber music, but not for orchestral. An issue that I think is highly relevant, but that only a few can probably comment on, is how the issue of

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread dhbailey
Robert Patterson wrote: Matthew Hindson Fastmail acct wrote: Do you know if it's possible to add a blank page to the part but not the linked score? Using the Finale UI there is no problem adding blank pages anywhere to a part (and not to the score). The problem lies in using a plugin to

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:05 PM 8/11/2006, Robert Patterson wrote: The annual upgrade cycle is not condusive to refining old features. ...or getting new ones quite as right as they could be. That reminds me of the scene in the Marx Brothers' Duck Soup, where Groucho is the new head of

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread dhbailey
Richard Yates wrote: - On a reduced staff, placement and dragging of expressions separates the expression and the handle - they move at different speeds when you drag. On Mac this has been fixed since at least Fin2004. I would be surprised if it hasn't on Win also. Or perhaps there is a

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Robert Patterson
dhbailey wrote: And yet they have managed to tweak the HP function with each version since they initiated it, so there is hope. HP is a 3rd-party plugin that MM subcontracted. If that's your sole basis for hope, unfortunately, it is an exception that proves the rule. The Groucho excerpt

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 06-08-11 à 08:42, Aaron Sherber a écrit : Because not everything is linkable/unlinkable in all the ways you might want. To take just one example, Dennis Collins said he likes to have his measure numbers positioned differently in score and parts; you can't do that with linked parts. I

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 12.08.2006 Tyler Turner wrote: I'm not sure I understand why it's impossible, unless you're saying that each of your parts also have cover pages. This is the case, at least in parts which work out that way (ie they start the music on a left page, or the page count works out that way). I

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 12.08.2006 Tyler Turner wrote: Is there any chance that a different overall strategy would work better for you? I'm thinking that you might actually modify your templates so that they already have the parts generated in them. In one word, no, since I don't actually use templates for most

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Andrew Stiller
Robt. Patterson: - Start a new document, single staff, with 4/4 time signature. In Staff Attributes check 'Independent Key Signature'. Then with the Time Signature Tool try to change the time signature to 3/4. Nothing happens - it won't change. That one is still there. But it is an absurd

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I may work it out anyhow, though I haven't tested this yet. Is it possible to unlink a text block from all parts, even before parts are generated, so that it won't appear in any future parts? I must test this, this might work.

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Aug 2006 at 7:17, dhbailey wrote: I just wish that Finale could come up with some major new notation feature FIRST, instead of always waiting for Sibelius to do it and then see how they can reverse-engineer it and adapt it to Finale. The speed with which MakeMusic implemented such a

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Aug 2006 at 7:27, dhbailey wrote: MakeMusic introduces a new feature which isn't quite as right as it could be. Next year, it's an old feature and we know they aren't great at improving old features, preferring to pack in new features. Five years/versions later, that once-new feature

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Robert Patterson
David W. Fenton wrote: I'm on WinFin2K3, If you are still on Fin03, one of the best goodies you'll get from upgrading is autopositioning expressions. So far as saving time goes, I think this is arguably the biggest improvement since Fin03, including linked parts. -- Robert Patterson

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Robert Patterson
Johannes Gebauer wrote: BTW, my current understanding is that FinaleScript booklet printing is not functional for linked parts. If anyone can get it to work, to print parts other than the top part (even that is tricky) I'd love to know. I feel certain it does not work. FinaleScript

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Richard Smith
If I understand your question, Sibelius will allow you to select a note or entire passage and, with one click, convert it into a cue. You can also easily turn off the sound in the passage (or note by note if you prefer). You could also copy a passage into a new staff by highlighting the

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 12.08.2006 Robert Patterson wrote: That said, I'm not sure why you need this any more. I use CocoaBooklet for all my booklet printing needs. It's donation-ware, Universal Binary, and works great. Because Cocao Booklet needs me to make a PDF first. Because going through PDF creation in

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 12.08.2006 Richard Smith wrote: If I understand your question, Sibelius will allow you to select a note or entire passage and, with one click, convert it into a cue. You can also easily turn off the sound in the passage (or note by note if you prefer). Does this mean that Sibelius can

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Richard Smith
Yes. On the keypad (under the second tab) there is a button the toggles between full size and cue size. Select any note or passage, click the button and it becomes a cue. Click it again and it's full size. Disabling the sound (if you want) is a second step found in the properties panel. Again,

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Aug 2006 at 15:31, Richard Smith wrote: If your not familiar with Sibelius, the keypad is an on screen representation of the ten keypad on a full size keyboard. The buttons may be clicked on screen with the mouse or selected at the actual keyboard. There are selectable five tabs on the

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Richard Smith
I think different people think and work differently and this is why a feature some like is deplored by others. Although I had almost 10 years of successful Finale experience before moving primarily to Sibelius, I much prefer the way Sibelius works. I have frequently said it seems to think more

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Matthew Hindson Fastmail acct
dhbailey wrote: That reminds me of the scene in the Marx Brothers' Duck Soup, where Groucho is the new head of state and at a cabinet meeting someone raises the issue of taxes. Secretary: We must discuss the taxes. Groucho: I'm sorry, that's new business, we're discussing old business right

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-12 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
/symphony.html - Original Message - From: dhbailey To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review (SNIP)..That reminds me of the scene in the Marx Brothers' Duck Soup, where Groucho is the new head

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 10, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: OK: I've got two oboe parts on a single staff, and I want to make two parts for the players. Under previous versions of Finale I would extract the 2-oboe staff; split it into two staves using TGTools/Smart

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 05:22 PM 8/10/2006, Christopher Smith wrote: If you have to make a copy of the score to extract the parts from, this is the same as before, except all the parts are in one file. Yes and no. If you find it necessary to make a copy of the score for extracting parts,

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread dhbailey
Robert Patterson wrote: . As I currently add lots of cues to parts, and depend heavily on TGTools Smart Explosion, it seems I would definitely want to create a parts score in Fin2007. Is there any loss of functionality compared to the old way of extracting parts? There are differences. You

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 07:35 AM 8/11/2006, dc wrote: What happens when you make a change in a fully linked file? For instance, if I change the position of measure numbers above the staff in a part (as I always do after extracting, if the part is in bass clef or C clef), will it affect only one part, all the parts,

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Aug 2006 at 21:52, Robert Patterson wrote: I'm not sure what MM was trying to accomplish by graying out the plugin menu in part view. So far as I can tell, all it accomplishes is pissing off users before they figure out how to skirt it. It sounds like an unintentional bug, the kind of

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Aug 2006 at 19:23, Robert Patterson wrote: MM would like you to believe that you can keep you score and parts in one file, and they have made great strides in that direction. For many projects it probably is possible. Why would it not be completely possible for any scores lacking

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 10:10 PM 8/10/2006, David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Aug 2006 at 19:23, Robert Patterson wrote: MM would like you to believe that you can keep you score and parts in one file, and they have made great strides in that direction. For many projects it probably is possible. Why would it not be

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:10 AM, dhbailey wrote: What I do notice is the lack of any that old __ bug has reared its ugly head again! remarks, or any complaints of any new work- destroying bugs or other major problems. Is this true? I am VERY encouraged by the lack of complaints!

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 10, 2006, at 10:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Aug 2006 at 19:23, Robert Patterson wrote: MM would like you to believe that you can keep you score and parts in one file, and they have made great strides in that direction. For many projects it probably is possible. Why would

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 11 Aug 2006, at 9:06 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Aug 11, 2006, at 7:10 AM, dhbailey wrote: What I do notice is the lack of any that old __ bug has reared its ugly head again! remarks, or any complaints of any new work-destroying bugs or other major problems. Is this true?

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 11, 2006, at 9:12 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 11 Aug 2006, at 9:06 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Well, here's one: They STILL haven't fixed the Chromatic Transposition bug, where chord symbols do not get transposed from concert key when using Chromatic Transposition. Which

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Robert Patterson
David W. Fenton wrote: Why would it not be completely possible for any scores lacking multiple parts on one line, say a string quartet? In my previous post I forgot the most infuriating and most likely scenario why you might choose to keep a separate parts score: you can't unlink the

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Robert Patterson
About the graying out of the plugin menu in part view: David W. Fenton wrote: It sounds like an unintentional bug, No, I can assure you it was quite intentional. the kind of thing that might be fixed in a version update. Possibly it will. dhbailey wrote: , the developers figured that

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Robert Patterson
Christopher Smith wrote: Measure numbers are one, so you would have the option of finding a position that pleases you for ALL parts (in my case, not likely!) or extracting parts separately. Actually, the choice is not so stark. Forced measure numbers affect individual staves. Measure

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Fiskum, Steve
They have removed New Staff position from the old Extract Parts' Page Options dialog box. This is a big problem for some of us who work with consistent styles. Steve On 8/10/06 12:02 PM, Robert Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, there are a few features of Extract Parts that

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Aug 10, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: The only time you can use Fin07's voicing rules is if the 2 parts always share the same staff: an unrealistic assumption for any but the most simplistic of scores. First of all, thanks to Robert and all the others who responded to my

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread dhbailey
Fiskum, Steve wrote: They have removed New Staff position from the old Extract Parts' Page Options dialog box. This is a big problem for some of us who work with consistent styles. Did they remove it or just move it? Robert Patterson, I believe (although the dialogue has gone on long enough

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread dhbailey
While ordering my upgrade I noticed that Garritan has a GM product for sale (at a supposedly reduced rate for Finale users). I have several questions about this for the list: 1) does it include saxes? I would imagine so since the GM spec includes saxes, but want confirmation if possible from

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Fiskum, Steve
It is gone. Not moved. Verified. Steve On 8/11/06 1:42 PM, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fiskum, Steve wrote: They have removed New Staff position from the old Extract Parts' Page Options dialog box. This is a big problem for some of us who work with consistent styles. Did they

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Tyler Turner
--- dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fiskum, Steve wrote: They have removed New Staff position from the old Extract Parts' Page Options dialog box. This is a big problem for some of us who work with consistent styles. Did they remove it or just move it? Different is the best

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Eric Dannewitz
dhbailey wrote: While ordering my upgrade I noticed that Garritan has a GM product for sale (at a supposedly reduced rate for Finale users). I have several questions about this for the list: 1) does it include saxes? I would imagine so since the GM spec includes saxes, but want confirmation

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Fiskum, Steve
I'm glad you can find some joy in this but it has taken away a very important feature (often overlooked) in extracting parts. Different is not the best word for it. Overlooked...not adopted...ELIMINATED...yes eliminated is the best word for it. There is no way to do what has been done before to

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Robert Patterson
Andrew Stiller wrote: I do have to cavil at the quoted sentence however. In 19th-c. music, such staff-sharing is commonplace in orchestral scores. My comment was not meant as a criticism of the content but rather a description of the notation. In many such 19th-c. scores, the notation

Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review

2006-08-11 Thread Tyler Turner
--- Fiskum, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad they made you happy with this feature. I for one am not happy with this decision. There is no reason they could not have incorporated both ways of approaching this issue. The more I thought about it the more I felt I could understand

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