Re: [Finale] FAVOUR SHARPS

[Lee Actor]

Edit->Enharmonic Spelling

-Lee

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From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dr.a.s.
weinstangel
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:58 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] FAVOUR SHARPS

WIN10 Fin2012c.


Where is "favor sharps" option, please?


Dr.A.S.Weinstangel

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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[Lee Actor]

When you hit the 4 again you changed the default rhythm from 8th note triplets 
to 8th notes.  If you don't enter a new rhythm, you'll keep getting 8th note 
triplets.

-Lee 

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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 4:33 PM
To: Lee Actor; FINALE@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

On 5/10/2018 6:55 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
> There is: While in Speedy Entry, press Caps Lock, then ctrl-3, then 4 (for 
> 8th note triplets).  Every note entered will now be an 8th-note triplet until 
> you hit Caps Lock again.
> 

That doesn't work for me (Win10, Finale25) -- I enter Speedy Entry, 
press the Caps Lock, ctrl-3, then 4 and I can enter 1 set of 8th-note 
triplets.  The caps lock has stayed engaged, but hitting 4 after that 
first triplet set just gives me regular 8th notes, not triplets.


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Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

[Lee Actor]

There is: While in Speedy Entry, press Caps Lock, then ctrl-3, then 4 (for 8th 
note triplets).  Every note entered will now be an 8th-note triplet until you 
hit Caps Lock again.

-Lee


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From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 3:36 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Triplets in speedy entry

For each beat you restart with Ctrl-3. I wish there were a quicker way like 
Sibelius does where you can set up a bracket and hit the R (repeat) key and it 
will continue to create triplets as long as you want them. 

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> On May 10, 2018, at 6:19 PM, martin nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks
> I’m trying to put quartet triplets on beat one two three and four
> I can put the triplet on beat one
> But it reverts to 8th notes for the rest of the bar
> !
> What am I missing
> Thanks for help on this one
> 
>> On Thu, 10 May 2018 at 23:16, S Jones <principal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hold down the Ctrl key and type the note value using the num pad if you are
>> on a full keyboard, otherwise use the numbers across the top of the laptop
>> keyboard.
>> 
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:59 PM Martin Nickless <mnnickl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> Have been looking in the manual for sometime can someone please tell me
>>> how you enter multiple triplets  in say one or two bars in speedy entry
>>> Many thanks I’m on finale 25
>>> And use windows
>>> Thanks
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Lee Actor]

The HP 5000 is indeed 1200 dpi.  I don't consider 600 dpi good enough for 
publishable-quality music -- e.g., aliasing (stairstepping) is visible on 
angled beams and cresc./decresc.

I had a lot of problems with jamming when I had a duplexer for my HP 5000 
(ultimately I returned it).  I bought a refurbished unit in 2004, and it 
wouldn't duplex 11x17 at all.  You may remember Andrew Stiller, who was a 
frequent contributor to the Finale mailing list before he passed away; he had a 
lot of experience with the HP 5000 duplexer and advised cleaning the rollers 
with alcohol, which did help.  According to Andrew -- I think he had gone 
through 2 duplexers at that point -- the duplexer works fine when new, but 
deteriorates significantly over time, until after a couple of years of heavy 
use it won't work at all (even cleaning the rollers didn't help at that point). 
 Since a new unit was unavailable even in 2004, I chalked it up to a flawed 
design and went back to manual duplexing.

I hope HP has learned to make more reliable duplexers over the years.  The one 
in my HP M712DN does seem much more "industrial strength" than the HP 5000 
duplexer, and I've been using it for more than 2 years without a single jam.  
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

-Lee

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From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Williams, Jim
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 7:53 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] printing advice

Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
it’s 1200 dpi...
Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good fix? 

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
> automatically.
> 
> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> 
> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
> using the HP.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>> further suggestions.
>> 
>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>> still might work.
>> 
>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>> job.
>> 
>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>> 
>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>> almost no additional cost.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
>>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>>> 
>>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
>>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
>>> same problem and has a solution?
>>> 
>>> Or, perhaps, 

Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Lee Actor]

I've had an HP5000 since 2001 and have printed much music with it.  Years ago I 
tried the duplexer for it, but found it to be unreliable, at least with the 
heavyweight paper I use.

I kept my eye on the large format laser printer market for a long time, and 2+ 
years ago finally bit the bullet and bought a HP M712DN (1200dpi) at a huge 
discount.  This machine has been an absolute dream.  The duplexer is 100% 
reliable; I have never had a paper jam or misfeed the entire time I've owned 
it.  I use it exclusively to print music, and keep heavyweight letter and 11x17 
paper in its two paper trays.  It's 4-5x faster than the LJ5000, and has saved 
me innumerable hours printing orchestral parts and scores.  With the HP5000 I 
had to manually feed the flip side of duplexed pages to avoid paper jams, 
requiring my constant attention throughout a large print job; but with the 
M712DN I can send it as many print jobs as needed and immediately get back to 
what I was doing, letting the printer churn away until it's done.  There's 
still the folding/stapling/trimming/binding etc. to produce finished sheet 
music, but my time involved with the actual printing has been reduced by as 
much as 95%.

The main downside to the M712DN is that it is quite large, and weighs 85 lbs.; 
definitely a 2-person job to pick it up and move it around.  But it's the 
biggest productivity enhancement I've encountered since engraving software.

-Lee

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Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 11:56 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Finale] printing advice

Dear Chuck and Robert,

Thank you! All I needed to do was to ask the printer preferences to find and 
add the HP5000 printer again (IP address from the printer’s info page). I 
should have figured this out on my own. For some reason, this was vastly easier 
than the initial time I was forced to print over IP (at the point when 
appletalk disappeared from macs). And that first IP connection has survived 
through at least 3 machine and many system upgrades.

What a great machine! Still going after all these years. 1200 dpi, or 600 dpi 
at super speed, long-lasting printer cartridges (shockingly, still available as 
OEM). Granted, I don’t use it very heavily, but still, it is, by far, the 
oldest technology in my house. 25 years old sounds about right.

David

Chuck Israels wrote:
> Dear David,
> 
> This is exactly the setup I have (iMac - not Macbook) ? the printer must be 
> 25 years old!
> 
> In my case, this has happened and removing the printer and adding it again in 
> the System Preferences/printer setup has solved the problem. I think the Mac 
> loses th IP address and sometimes generates another new one. I don?t think it 
> has to do with the particular OS you are using.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I?ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works 
>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in 
>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>> 
>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last 
>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>> 
>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the 
>> same problem and has a solution?
>> 
>> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer that 
>> can print up to 12x18?
>> 
>> Hoping for help!
>> 
>> David Froom: text/plain; charset="UTF-8”

and Robert Patterson wrote:
> 
> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
> further suggestions.
> 
> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
> still might work.
> 
> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
> job.
> 
> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
> would like. If I live long enough to replace 

Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

[Lee Actor]

I already enter all cues in my "extracted parts" score, no pasting between
docusments.
I also change several "parts only" items globally once, in the same score.
Same with elements colliding in all parts (rare in my experience).

You're right about later edits potentially having to be done in multiple
files, but for me it's rare that a later edit needs to be done in more than
1 or 2 files.  To me, a bigger danger in doing later edits in linked parts
is that I might inadvertently have Auto music spacing or multimeasure rests
on, where a minor edit in one part can affect a different part that will
likely go unnoticed.

I don't mean to be argumentative; I really am interested in the best work
flow.  But isn't saying that fewer files is a HUGE time saver something of
an overstatement?

-Lee

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Christopher Smith
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 2:52 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

Ooh, ooh, ooh! I got this!

Fewer files is a HUGE time saver! You can enter all the cues with copy and
paste (or the plugin, which I find buggy) without pasting between documents,
you can change the font sizes for tempi and rehearsal letters ONCE (or
anything else ONCE) and have it apply to all parts at once, if you find
something colliding in all parts you move it ONCE and it is solved
everywhere, and you can take advantage of JW Copy Part Layout to regularize
the page layout. Later edits, too, have to be done twice (once in the score
file, once in the part file) but in extracted parts you have to make edits
in ALL files, which can be maddening.

Christopher


> On Apr 22, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Lee Actor <l...@leeactor.com> wrote:
> 
> Makes sense.  It seems to me you'd also be able to change the tempo
marking font size in the linked parts score; I change several global
settings in the version of the score I extract parts from that I want to
apply to all parts and not to the score.
> 
> With two separate copies of the score, though, I don't see the advantage
of linked parts over extracted parts, other than fewer files.  How does this
save time and effort?

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Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

[Lee Actor]

Makes sense.  It seems to me you'd also be able to change the tempo marking 
font size in the linked parts score; I change several global settings in the 
version of the score I extract parts from that I want to apply to all parts and 
not to the score.

With two separate copies of the score, though, I don't see the advantage of 
linked parts over extracted parts, other than fewer files.  How does this save 
time and effort?

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Aaron Sherber
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 2:21 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

​My solution for many of these things​ (and I think many others have the
same workflow) is to have one file for the score and one file for the
(linked) parts. This is not as good as one file for everything, but it's
better than a bunch of separate files for extracted parts.

Given this workflow, in your parts file you could explode your wind parts
so that everything is one part per staff, and then cues are easier. Your #2
and #3 are also easy to accomplish this way.

This also takes care of other things that are not currently unlinkable in
Finale. (At least, they weren't in Fin2011; I haven't really dived into
Fin25 yet.) For example, I like to use a bigger font for tempo markings and
rehearsal numbers in my score than I do in parts.

Aaron.




On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Lee Actor <l...@leeactor.com> wrote:

> I'm not a regular user of linked parts -- yes, I still make a copy of the
> score and extract from there -- but I did make a reasonable effort several
> years ago to incorporate them into my normal work flow.  I gave up after a
> month or so due to encountering too many situations that required special
> workarounds, and decided linked parts were costing me more time than they
> were saving.
>
> So given my admittedly limited knowledge, here are some items that I found
> to be more trouble in linked parts than it's worth:
> 1) Cues are a mess, esp. in orchestral scores with 2 wind parts on a staff.
> 2) Can't have different music spacing in score and parts.  I like my parts
> closer spaced than the score.
> 3) Can't have different clefs in score and part (e.g., a high bassoon 1
> part
> might mean tenor clef for bassoon 2 in the score, but should be bass clef
> in
> the part).
> 4) Grace note spacing.
>
> I encountered other issues which can be fairly attributed to pilot error,
> and some of the above problems may have already been addressed.  I'm ready
> to embrace linked parts, as soon as the pain of special cases and
> workarounds is exceeded by the benefits.  Obviously this is a subjective
> judgement.
>
> -Lee
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> Robert Patterson
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:32 AM
> To: finale
> Subject: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?
>
> I am starting a new thread because my comments seem to be buried in the
> recent Dorico thread. I would like to poll this list about what features
> are missing from Linked Parts. I am doing so with an eye towards a possible
> plugin to address what can be addressed.
>
> Things that cannot be addressed by a plugin are
> * allowing special tools in voiced parts
> * unlinking items that Finale currently can't unlink manually
>
> The kinds of things that are likely to be addressable are in the area of
> page layout. In fact I already have a plugin that can copy a page layout
> from one part to another. And Jari has made one that copies everything down
> to the note spacing. But maybe there are things we've missed or U.I.
> issues.
>
> What prompts this request is the discussion of Dorico "layouts" which seem
> very similar to linked parts in Finale. I'm curious if there is
> functionality there that a plugin could bring to Finale.
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Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

[Lee Actor]

So I can have different scaling factors (Document Options->Music 
Spacing->Spacing Widths) in score and parts?  Are you sure?

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Skjalg Bjørstad
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 12:30 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

Your 2) and 3) are not correct.  Music spacing is not linked between score and 
parts. You can also change clef in parts with staff styles (transposition>set 
to clef) in part only.  1) and 4) are valid, though. 

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> 22. apr. 2018 kl. 20:34 skrev Lee Actor <l...@leeactor.com>:
> 
> I'm not a regular user of linked parts -- yes, I still make a copy of the
> score and extract from there -- but I did make a reasonable effort several
> years ago to incorporate them into my normal work flow.  I gave up after a
> month or so due to encountering too many situations that required special
> workarounds, and decided linked parts were costing me more time than they
> were saving.
> 
> So given my admittedly limited knowledge, here are some items that I found
> to be more trouble in linked parts than it's worth:
> 1) Cues are a mess, esp. in orchestral scores with 2 wind parts on a staff.
> 2) Can't have different music spacing in score and parts.  I like my parts
> closer spaced than the score.
> 3) Can't have different clefs in score and part (e.g., a high bassoon 1 part
> might mean tenor clef for bassoon 2 in the score, but should be bass clef in
> the part).
> 4) Grace note spacing.
> 
> I encountered other issues which can be fairly attributed to pilot error,
> and some of the above problems may have already been addressed.  I'm ready
> to embrace linked parts, as soon as the pain of special cases and
> workarounds is exceeded by the benefits.  Obviously this is a subjective
> judgement.
> 
> -Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
> Robert Patterson
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:32 AM
> To: finale
> Subject: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?
> 
> I am starting a new thread because my comments seem to be buried in the
> recent Dorico thread. I would like to poll this list about what features
> are missing from Linked Parts. I am doing so with an eye towards a possible
> plugin to address what can be addressed.
> 
> Things that cannot be addressed by a plugin are
> * allowing special tools in voiced parts
> * unlinking items that Finale currently can't unlink manually
> 
> The kinds of things that are likely to be addressable are in the area of
> page layout. In fact I already have a plugin that can copy a page layout
> from one part to another. And Jari has made one that copies everything down
> to the note spacing. But maybe there are things we've missed or U.I. issues.
> 
> What prompts this request is the discussion of Dorico "layouts" which seem
> very similar to linked parts in Finale. I'm curious if there is
> functionality there that a plugin could bring to Finale.
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Re: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

[Lee Actor]

I'm not a regular user of linked parts -- yes, I still make a copy of the
score and extract from there -- but I did make a reasonable effort several
years ago to incorporate them into my normal work flow.  I gave up after a
month or so due to encountering too many situations that required special
workarounds, and decided linked parts were costing me more time than they
were saving.

So given my admittedly limited knowledge, here are some items that I found
to be more trouble in linked parts than it's worth:
1) Cues are a mess, esp. in orchestral scores with 2 wind parts on a staff.
2) Can't have different music spacing in score and parts.  I like my parts
closer spaced than the score.
3) Can't have different clefs in score and part (e.g., a high bassoon 1 part
might mean tenor clef for bassoon 2 in the score, but should be bass clef in
the part).
4) Grace note spacing.

I encountered other issues which can be fairly attributed to pilot error,
and some of the above problems may have already been addressed.  I'm ready
to embrace linked parts, as soon as the pain of special cases and
workarounds is exceeded by the benefits.  Obviously this is a subjective
judgement.

-Lee

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Robert Patterson
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 6:32 AM
To: finale
Subject: [Finale] Finale Linked Parts: what's missing?

I am starting a new thread because my comments seem to be buried in the
recent Dorico thread. I would like to poll this list about what features
are missing from Linked Parts. I am doing so with an eye towards a possible
plugin to address what can be addressed.

Things that cannot be addressed by a plugin are
* allowing special tools in voiced parts
* unlinking items that Finale currently can't unlink manually

The kinds of things that are likely to be addressable are in the area of
page layout. In fact I already have a plugin that can copy a page layout
from one part to another. And Jari has made one that copies everything down
to the note spacing. But maybe there are things we've missed or U.I. issues.

What prompts this request is the discussion of Dorico "layouts" which seem
very similar to linked parts in Finale. I'm curious if there is
functionality there that a plugin could bring to Finale.
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Re: [Finale] Exporting parts to PDF

[Lee Actor]

Whenever the built-in Finale pdf exporter is mentioned, I feel obligated to
point out that a) it has serious bugs, printing unwanted characters in
unexpected locations, esp. on pages with tuplets; and b) it produces
enormous file sizes, up to 10x other print-to-pdf solutions.  The pdf export
is from a 3rd party developer, Makemusic knows it's broken, and they
continue to include it in Finale anyway.

The pdf printer I always recommend for Windows is Bullzip.  It's extremely
stable, very fast, and produces the smallest file sizes of any such product
I've surveyed -- and I've tried pretty much all of them.

-Lee
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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Aaron Sherber
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2018 5:30 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Exporting parts to PDF

Hi all,

I just took advantage of the sale at MM to upgrade to Fin25, and I'm
exploring some of the new features. (And wondering why they haven't improved
the UI in 5 years, but that's a different issue.)

I noticed the new Export to PDF feature, which is quicker and easier than
printing to a PDF driver, but I was dismayed to find that it only exports
the current part or score. Did they really not implement an Export Linked
Parts to PDF feature, as they did with Export Linked Parts to MusicXML? Is
there a plugin or FinaleScript that will provide this functionality?

Thanks,
Aaron.
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Re: [Finale] Problems entering a divided triplet in Simple

[Lee Actor]

Enter the first note as an 8th triplet, add a dot, and enter the rest of the
notes as usual.

-Lee

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Adam Taylor
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 12:40 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Problems entering a divided triplet in Simple

Hi Finale List!

I have recently started to work with Rachmaninov's B minor prelude (Op. 
32, No. 10). It features a LOT of triplets, and the one that is giving me
the biggest problem is the opening motive of dotted 8th-16th-8th as a
triplet covering one quarter note beat. The note durations all add up to
three eighth notes, so they should fit in a standard eighth-note triplet,
but Finale (Win2K9) is acting like there is something wrong.

If I turn off the option to check for extra notes, I can put it in, and the
"Check Durations" plugin finds no problems, but it's a bit of a pain.

Any ideas what to do because that particular rhythm is EVERYWHERE in this
piece.

Thanks,

Adam


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Re: [Finale] Change start measure of an instrument change

[Lee Actor]

Possibly related to the bug that doesn't allow Change Instrument for a
single measure?

-Lee

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Robert Patterson
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:27 AM
To: finale
Subject: [Finale] Change start measure of an instrument change

I thought it was possible to change the measure number where an instrument
change starts. But the Start Measure field appears to be uneditable in the
Score Manager. Furthermore "Change Instrument" stubbornly disallows me
changing it as well. (That is, when I run Change Instrument nothing
happens.) Is there any recourse but to remove the instrument change and
reapply it?
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file

[Lee Actor]

I just did a quick test on a recent Finale file.  Results:

Microsoft Print to PDF: 701K
Bullzip: 328K

Both had all fonts embedded and look similar on screen under high
magnification (though with Bullzip I can specify the internal resolution in
dpi).  Perhaps some of the difference is that I have the Bullzip default set
to B output, while Microsoft probably makes all pdfs 24-bit color.
Personally, I want all my music pdfs to be B  The Microsoft solution
appears to have no configuration options other than paper size and
orientation.  Good to know that it's there, though.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Aaron Sherber
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:09 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file

Windows 10 now includes the ability for all apps to print to PDF without
additional software. In the Print dialog in Finale, click the Setup button
and choose the "Microsoft Print to PDF" printer.

Aaron.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Lee Actor <l...@leeactor.com> wrote:

> I've said it on several previous occasions, but it's worth repeating: 
> do not, under any circumstances, use the built-in Finale pdf export.  
> It has serious bugs (printing unwanted characters in unexpected 
> locations) and produces enormous file sizes (up to 10x other pdf 
> solutions).  It's from a 3rd party developer, so Makemusic is unable 
> to fix it.  Why they continue to include this fatally flawed 
> implementation is a mystery (they know it's broken).
>
> The pdf printer I always recommend is Bullzip.  It's extremely stable, 
> very fast, and produces the smallest file sizes of any such product 
> I've surveyed
> -- and I've tried pretty much all of them (including CutePDF).
>
> -Lee
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Girard Bowe
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:37 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file
>
> Yes. I use CutePDF Writer. You just send your files to it as you would 
> a printer. Unfortunately, Finale appends an "X" to each filename. It's 
> a known issue, but . . . .
>
> http://www.cutepdf.com/
>
> You can export to pdf in Finale, but you have to do each file 
> individually, and rename it if you want the partname included in the 
> filename. I submitted a request to make "export to pdf" function as 
> the printer function does (selection of multiple files, partname 
> included). I was told it was a good idea. . . .
>
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Martin Nickless
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:53 AM
> To: Finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file
>
>
> Hi there is it possible to export just the parts or score and parts  
> in to a PDF which I can then email for the recipient to print off my 
> arrangement as They wish I use windows 10 Very Best Thanks for any 
> help
>
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file

[Lee Actor]

Sorry, I can't decipher your comment.

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Martin Nickless
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 11:07 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file

Hi
I didn t know that does it apply to the score Eg if I send a pdf Score to a 
colleague that uses the Bayliss will there be mistakes as I suspect this has 
happened to me

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Dec 2017, at 17:33, Lee Actor <l...@leeactor.com> wrote:
> 
> I've said it on several previous occasions, but it's worth repeating: 
> do not, under any circumstances, use the built-in Finale pdf export.  
> It has serious bugs (printing unwanted characters in unexpected 
> locations) and produces enormous file sizes (up to 10x other pdf 
> solutions).  It's from a 3rd party developer, so Makemusic is unable 
> to fix it.  Why they continue to include this fatally flawed 
> implementation is a mystery (they know it's broken).
> 
> The pdf printer I always recommend is Bullzip.  It's extremely stable, 
> very fast, and produces the smallest file sizes of any such product 
> I've surveyed
> -- and I've tried pretty much all of them (including CutePDF).
> 
> -Lee
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Girard Bowe
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:37 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file
> 
> Yes. I use CutePDF Writer. You just send your files to it as you would 
> a printer. Unfortunately, Finale appends an "X" to each filename. It's 
> a known issue, but . . . .
> 
> http://www.cutepdf.com/
> 
> You can export to pdf in Finale, but you have to do each file 
> individually, and rename it if you want the partname included in the 
> filename. I submitted a request to make "export to pdf" function as 
> the printer function does (selection of multiple files, partname 
> included). I was told it was a good idea. . . .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Martin Nickless
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:53 AM
> To: Finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file
> 
> 
> Hi there is it possible to export just the parts or score and parts  
> in to a PDF which I can then email for the recipient to print off my 
> arrangement  as They wish I use windows 10 Very Best Thanks for any 
> help
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file

[Lee Actor]

I've said it on several previous occasions, but it's worth repeating: do
not, under any circumstances, use the built-in Finale pdf export.  It has
serious bugs (printing unwanted characters in unexpected locations) and
produces enormous file sizes (up to 10x other pdf solutions).  It's from a
3rd party developer, so Makemusic is unable to fix it.  Why they continue to
include this fatally flawed implementation is a mystery (they know it's
broken).

The pdf printer I always recommend is Bullzip.  It's extremely stable, very
fast, and produces the smallest file sizes of any such product I've surveyed
-- and I've tried pretty much all of them (including CutePDF).

-Lee

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Girard Bowe
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:37 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file

Yes. I use CutePDF Writer. You just send your files to it as you would a
printer. Unfortunately, Finale appends an "X" to each filename. It's a known
issue, but . . . .

http://www.cutepdf.com/

You can export to pdf in Finale, but you have to do each file individually,
and rename it if you want the partname included in the filename. I submitted
a request to make "export to pdf" function as the printer function does
(selection of multiple files, partname included). I was told it was a good
idea. . . .

-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Martin Nickless
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 7:53 AM
To: Finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Finale 2012 Printing parts from a PDF file


Hi there is it possible to export just the parts or score and parts  in to a
PDF which I can then email for the recipient to print off my arrangement  as
They wish I use windows 10 Very Best Thanks for any help 

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Re: [Finale] Copy pasting then eliminating notes from a voicing

[Lee Actor]

TGTools->Modify->Special Modifications

Enter "Nth note in chord (from top)" and check either "Erase" or "Keep only
(erase others)".  A real time saver.

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Martin Nickless
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:01 AM
To: Finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Copy pasting then eliminating notes from a voicing


Hi does anybody out there know how to after say copy and pasting trombone
voicings over to the saxophones how to then eliminate various notes from the
voicing for example four notes
>From the bones Copied onto the tenor one part but now you want to 
>eliminate two of the notes from the voicing
how would you do this leaving the remaining two notes intact ?


Thanks for any help
Martin
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Re: [Finale] muting audio instrument

[Lee Actor]

In Speedy Entry, you Option-click inside a measure to bring up the Edit
Frame.  One of the many items in the Edit Frame for each note is "Playback",
which you can uncheck.  It's in the documentation.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Haroldo Mauro
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 5:05 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] muting audio instrument

Thanks. I can not replicate that procedure on the Mac. I tried clicking with
all key combinations inside the Edit Frame in Speedy Entry but there's no
Playback check box! Finale Mac 2014, BTW.
Harold




On Sep 29, 2017, at 18:28, Lee Actor <l...@leeactor.com> wrote:

> You could go into the Edit Frame for each measure with notes you want 
> to mute (in Windows, ctrl-click the measure in Speedy Entry mode) and 
> uncheck "Playback" for each note entry.
> 
> -Lee
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
> Behalf Of Haroldo Mauro
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:06 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] muting audio instrument
> 
> I guess I could have the notes placet on a different layer and have 
> that layer muted. I'm doing that now. I wonder if there is another
solution.
> Haroldo
> 
> 
> On Sep 29, 2017, at 14:55, Haroldo Mauro <hma...@hmauro.com> wrote:
> 
>> It is easy to mute a note played by a MIDI instrument by setting its
> velocity to zero. But how do I accomplish that on a Garritan 
> instrument? I have three cue notes on a Garritan Flugel that shouldn't 
> sound during playback, but I don't know how to mute them. Maybe I need 
> to deal with volume? How? Thanks.
>> 
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Re: [Finale] muting audio instrument

[Lee Actor]

You could go into the Edit Frame for each measure with notes you want to
mute (in Windows, ctrl-click the measure in Speedy Entry mode) and uncheck
"Playback" for each note entry.

-Lee

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-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Haroldo Mauro
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:06 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] muting audio instrument

I guess I could have the notes placet on a different layer and have that
layer muted. I'm doing that now. I wonder if there is another solution.
Haroldo


On Sep 29, 2017, at 14:55, Haroldo Mauro <hma...@hmauro.com> wrote:

> It is easy to mute a note played by a MIDI instrument by setting its
velocity to zero. But how do I accomplish that on a Garritan instrument? I
have three cue notes on a Garritan Flugel that shouldn't sound during
playback, but I don't know how to mute them. Maybe I need to deal with
volume? How? Thanks.
> 
> Harold
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Re: [Finale] PDF export and placed graphics

[Lee Actor]

If Finale itself is the source of the bug which doesn't output placed
graphics correctly, you're right -- a different pdf engine wouldn't make any
difference.  However, the Finale pdf exporter has been seriously broken for
a long time, tending to strew random characters across pages which have lots
of tuplets (among other problems).  Makemusic verified this bug years ago,
but apparently still hasn't gotten it fixed (the pdf exporter is 3rd party
software, so they can't fix directly).  Additionally, the Finale built-in
pdf export is very slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other
print-to-pdf solutions; I recommend avoiding it if at all possible.  I've
evaluated many of the print-to-pdf apps, and IMHO the best is Bullzip, which
is fast, full-featured, produces very small file sizes, and is solid as a
rock.  Plus it's free for individual use:
http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php.

-Lee

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To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] PDF export and placed graphics

Am 12.09.17 um 18:22 schrieb Raymond Horton:
> Try cutePDF, a free download. Graphics work just fine for me with it.

In what way would that make any difference to me?
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Re: [Finale] Merging Documents Revisited

[Lee Actor]

Is the link on the download page for v5.05?  It still says 5.04.

-Lee

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Robert Patterson
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 5:36 PM
To: finale
Subject: [Finale] Merging Documents Revisited

A few weeks ago I posed a question to the list about the best way to merge
documents. I got some interesting responses. I was ultimately unsatisfied
with the range of options available, so I decided give myself (and by
extension, everyone else) some more.

The result of these labors is included in a new release of my plugin
collection 5.05. As part of the release, I included a documentation page on
strategies for merging documents, including opting to merge PDFs instead. I
think I included most of the ideas expressed in that thread, but if the
collective wisdom of the list has suggestions, additions, or corrections, I
would be interested in hearing them.

The page is at:

http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/-forcefull/-mergedoc/mergedoc.html

Thanks,
Robert
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Re: [Finale] Access to Tempo Tool in FinMac 25

[Lee Actor]

That's interesting -- in Win Fin2012 it's the 4th item in the MIDI Tool
menu, right after Edit Continuous Data.  Very easy to do JW Tempo
functionality by selecting a region, and choosing "Scale".

Can someone with FinWin 25 please check the MIDI Tool menu and see if Edit
Tempo is there?

-Lee

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Robert Patterson
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 6:21 AM
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] Access to Tempo Tool in FinMac 25

I don't see "Edit Tempo" even in Mac Fin2012. Could this be a Win thing?

There is no guarantee JW Tempo will continue to produce useful results in
future Finale releases. But my guess is Makemusic will probably not expend
any effort to intentionally disable it either. Right now it works just fine.


On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Lee Actor <l...@leeactor.com> wrote:

> I'm also distressed about the elimination of the Tempo Tool in the new
> version, though I'm still on Fin2012c.  A few months ago I posed a
question
> that didn't get an answer, so I'll try again: does v25 include Edit Tempo
> in
> the MIDI menu?  If so, you can pretty much do anything that the Tempo Tool
> and JW Tempo can do.  Can a v25 user please take a look at the MIDI menu
> and
> see?  Fingers crossed.
>
> -Lee
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of
> hma...@hmauro.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 2:09 AM
> To: finale@shsu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Access to Tempo Tool in FinMac 25
>
> That's very good news indeed. Thank you! I'm a Mac user; still on
> Finale 2014d. Sooner or later would have to upgrade though. Probably
> sooner, with the availability of JW Tempo.
> Harold
>
> Quoting Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>:
>
> > This morning Haroldo posted about wanting to access the Tempo Tool in
> > Fin25. I don't know if he uses Mac or Win, but if it's Mac I have good
> > news. I ported JW Tempo into 64-bit on Mac. You can get it on the
> download
> > page:
> >
> > http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/finmain.html
> >
> > Look for v1.04 of JW Tempo.
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Re: [Finale] Access to Tempo Tool in FinMac 25

[Lee Actor]

I'm also distressed about the elimination of the Tempo Tool in the new
version, though I'm still on Fin2012c.  A few months ago I posed a question
that didn't get an answer, so I'll try again: does v25 include Edit Tempo in
the MIDI menu?  If so, you can pretty much do anything that the Tempo Tool
and JW Tempo can do.  Can a v25 user please take a look at the MIDI menu and
see?  Fingers crossed.

-Lee 

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hma...@hmauro.com
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 2:09 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Access to Tempo Tool in FinMac 25

That's very good news indeed. Thank you! I'm a Mac user; still on  
Finale 2014d. Sooner or later would have to upgrade though. Probably  
sooner, with the availability of JW Tempo.
Harold

Quoting Robert Patterson :

> This morning Haroldo posted about wanting to access the Tempo Tool in
> Fin25. I don't know if he uses Mac or Win, but if it's Mac I have good
> news. I ported JW Tempo into 64-bit on Mac. You can get it on the download
> page:
>
> http://robertgpatterson.com/-fininfo/finmain.html
>
> Look for v1.04 of JW Tempo.
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[Finale] Tempo tool in Fin 25

[Lee Actor]

Am I the only one who is distressed by the elimination of the Tempo Tool in
the new version of Finale?  One of the reviews I read referred to it as a
welcome clean-up of an unnecessary feature that no one used.  Hey, I use it
all the time!  At least in conjunction with the legacy JW Tempo plugin, as I
don't trust Human Playback to sculpt tempo changes the way I'd like.

Can someone who has installed v25 please tell me whether you can at least
use Edit Tempo in the MIDI menu?  I guess that would be an adequate
substitute for the Tempo Tool.  And I suppose it's too much to hope that the
MIDI Tool has finally gotten a long-needed overhaul; as far as I can tell,
the same bugs have been there for the last 20 years.

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] Upgrading from Fin2011

[Lee Actor]

Curious how much faster you would say 2012 is, and to what size of file
you're referring.  I'm on 2012c, and whenever I start considering biting the
bullet and upgrading, it seems I inevitably come across a comment on Fin2014
that makes me think it's not worth it.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Raymond Horton
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:43 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Upgrading from Fin2011

2014 .5 is good. 2012 is faster for very large files. Ymmv . Windows

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra, 1971-2016

On Jul 1, 2016 3:29 PM, "Aaron Sherber"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've kept working in Fin2011 for several years, because it has met my
needs
> and because I haven't been working in Finale enough lately to figure out a
> new version. But I've been having a few minor compatibility issues with
> Windows 10, so I think it's time to move on.
>
> I have both Fin2012 and Fin2014.5. Is 2014.5 sufficiently stable that I
can
> move to that version with no concerns, or am I better off just moving to
> 2012?
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron.
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Re: [Finale] Printing two letter size PDFs to ledger size paper- possible?

[Lee Actor]

For PCs, I highly recommend Fineprint, which is configured as a printer
driver and can be printed to from any application.  It can handle duplexing,
scaling, n-up printing, booklets, etc.  What I do is define a virtual
printer for every flavor of score and parts printing I ever use, and
printing any of them requires no fussing or extra work.  You also see a
preview of what will be printed before the printer starts chewing up paper.
Very easy to use, and well worth the few bucks it costs.

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Raymond Horton
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 8:46 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Printing two letter size PDFs to ledger size paper-
possible?

I cannot figure a way in Adobe Reader. It looks correct on the screen, but
prints wrong to my Ricoh ap2610. Thanks

Raymond Horton
Composer, Arranger
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
former Bass trombonist, Louisville Orchestra

On Jun 5, 2016 9:52 PM, "Robert Patterson" <rob...@robertgpatterson.com>
wrote:

> If you mean booklet printing, I use Cheap Imposter on Mac. Adobe Reader
can
> also do it.
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Raymond Horton <horton.raym...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've tried to do this in several different software apps ,
> unsuccessfully.
> > Any suggestions? Thanks
> >
> > Raymond Horton
> > Composer, Arranger
> > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
> > former Bass trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
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Re: [Finale] Score Printing Question

[Lee Actor]

I have long been a proponent of 11x14 orchestral scores, which is what I've
used in all 23 large ensemble works I've produced over the past 15 years.  I
find it to be an ideal combination of size and shape.  Legal (8.5x14) is
uncomfortably narrow, necessitating excessive page turns, and tabloid
(11x17) is unwieldy, tends to be floppy on many music stands, and doesn't
fit in most briefcases.  The only time I would consider tabloid is for
scores pushing 30 or more staves, which are most likely concert band pieces,
and the occasional large orchestral score where additional divisi staves are
unavoidable (composers, please combine wind parts to the traditional 2 per
staff unless voice crossings make it infeasible; I know it makes it harder
to extract parts, but conductors will thank you -- or at least not curse
you).

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Linda Worsley
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 8:44 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Score Printing Question

Hi, Finale people,

I am getting some large orchestra scores ready for printing, and it
has been a long time since I outsourced this and had scores printed
and bound by an actual print shop.  This was in the 90s and
pre-digital, ad I know everything has changed.

For the past few decades I have been writing and printing scores and
parts for use in recording sessions, and both traditional legal and
letter size paper, and printing in my own studio laser printer for
that work.  When I have sent scores or parts out for others to print
(other performer grips) I have sent out pdfs of my finale files, but
they were always the usual 81/2 x 11 (or 14) format, and that was fine
for studio work, and, to some degree, for performance.  Parts look
fine in that format, but scores are better in the larger, wider
format.

Now I have recently returned to writing (and re-issuing) some larger
orchestral works, and "legal"-length paper, which is fine for legal
work, is not the best for full orchestra scores.  My old, commercially
printed scores, vary in size and shape, so I'm not sure what would be
best for these new scores.

I wold love information for those of you who are in the U.S. and have
had scores printed in a larger format.  What dimensions do you find
best for large or fairly large full orchestra?  How do you go about
getting them printed and bound.  If you have them done by a commercial
printer, I would be particularly interested in sources in the New
Yokr, L.A., or San Francisco areas.  That said, in this digital age,
these things can be done anywhere, so any information about the
successful procedures done anywhere would be much appreciated.

I suppose providing music for download and print, I will have to stick
with legal-size paper for scores, but I'd like to have the option of a
more usable, readable size and format to make physical scores.

Thanks in advance for any advice or information.

Linda Worsley
Composer/arranger
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Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into finale2012

[Lee Actor]

My setup is MIDI keyboard to my left, perpendicular to the computer keyboard
and monitor.  Left hand on the MIDI keyboard, right hand on the number
keypad makes for very fast note entry.  As the MIDI keyboard is full-size 88
keys, I can instantly enter any note in any octave, plus of course when
there are multiple notes entered on the same beat it is done in a single
step.  To each his own, but I'm very fast using my method and like it a lot.

-Lee

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Peter Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:25 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into
finale2012


From: "David H. Bailey" <dhbaile...@comcast.net>
To: <finale@shsu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Preferred method for entering notes/etc into 
finale2012

> I use speedy entry -- sometimes with a midi keyboard but more frequently
> using the computer's keyboard.  Arrow keys up and down to select the
> pitch, number keys to select the rhythm.

After using Finale for over 25 years and trying out all methods of note 
entry,
I can say without any doubt that David's method is the fastest and, once you
become practised at it, the most accurate.

Left hand on the up/down arrows for the pitch and right hand on the number
pad keys for the durations.  When copying sheet music I now only need to
glance at the screen every once in a while and never at my fingers - I can
keep my eyes firmly on the original music for long periods and this makes
it very fast indeed.  There are many keyboard shortcuts and you can set up
metatools to make things even faster.  Taking my hand away to use a MIDI
keyboard would really slow me down, as does using the mouse.

Don't be tempted into thinking that scanning music or using Hyperscribe will
speed things up, it doesn't.  It ends up as a mess which you have to spend
even more time cleaning up.

> I don't usually use templates, preferring to set each new document up
> precisely for that particular project.  But then I don't usually work on
> projects which have to be "just so" for a particular publisher.

Here's where I differ from David and agree with Mike G.  It takes a long,
long time fiddling with all the settings and making expression and 
articulation
libraries etc,  before you get them the way you want.  A blank template file
stores them all, instantly ready for the next project.  I do have one 
template
in a particular style for a publisher, but mostly I use my own "house 
style".

Peter


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Lee Actor]

I reported this bug almost 3 years ago in Finale 2012, verified by Makemusic
tech support; apparently still not fixed.  It's a bug in the 3rd party pdf
exporter used by Makemusic, so they can't fix it directly.  The stray
characters tend to show up on pages with lots of triplets, but as I recall
there are other problems as well.  In addition, the Finale built-in pdf
export is slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other
print-to-pdf solutions; even if it wasn't buggy, I would stay far away from
it.  I've tried many print-to-pdf apps (and even paid for some), and my
current favorite by far is Bullzip, which is fast, full-featured, produces
very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Plus it's free for
individual use: http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php (sorry Mac people,
Windows only).  I wish the name was different, but I've been using it for
several years now and wouldn't think of using anything else.

-Lee

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Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:29 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

Hi all,

Here's an image comparing export-to-PDF vs. print-to-PDF.

<http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/export-vs-print.jpg>

The export has those stray "3" characters at the bottom of page 2. I can't
locate them in the Finale file. They appear to be slightly larger versions
of
the "3" that I use for tuplets.

I've zoomed out in both page and scroll view to see if they were scattered
somewhere way out of view. No luck.

Any clues on how to find them? And why they might only appear in a Finale
export-to-PDF and not the print-to-PDF? They don't appear on other files
that
use the same template.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Lee Actor]

BTW, the screen display of the Bullzip print-to-pdf I mentioned earlier
produces very attractive and consistent screen displays, even at high
resolutions.  I'm thinking of staff lines here, which can look terrible on
screen in some pdfs.

-Lee

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Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 10:25 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

On Fri, February 12, 2016 1:13 pm, Michael Mathew wrote:
> Did you do a screen redraw? When I have been moving around the screen size
> and/or going back and forth between page sizes in the linked parts, etc. I
> have encountered this and just did the redraw which eliminated the ghost
> notes.

Thanks! Just did a reboot, reload, redraw, update layout, etc. They don't
appear on the screen anywhere, and I just created a new PDF. Still there.

Just hate this when it's a client. I can live with the poorer screen display
of print-to-PDF for my stuff, but don't want that for them.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

[Lee Actor]

I reported this bug almost 3 years ago in Finale 2012, verified by Makemusic
tech support; apparently still not fixed.  It's a bug in the 3rd party pdf
exporter used by Makemusic, so they can't fix it directly.  The stray
characters tend to show up on pages with lots of triplets, but as I recall
there are other problems as well.  In addition, the Finale built-in pdf
export is slow and produces humungous file sizes, up to 10x other
print-to-pdf solutions; even if it wasn't buggy, I would stay far away from
it.  I've tried many print-to-pdf apps (and even paid for some), and my
current favorite by far is Bullzip, which is fast, full-featured, produces
very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Plus it's free for
individual use: http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php (sorry Mac people,
Windows only).  I wish the name was different, but I've been using it for
several years now and wouldn't think of using anything else.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:29 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Stray things on PDF that I can't find

Hi all,

Here's an image comparing export-to-PDF vs. print-to-PDF.

<http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/export-vs-print.jpg>

The export has those stray "3" characters at the bottom of page 2. I can't
locate them in the Finale file. They appear to be slightly larger versions
of
the "3" that I use for tuplets.

I've zoomed out in both page and scroll view to see if they were scattered
somewhere way out of view. No luck.

Any clues on how to find them? And why they might only appear in a Finale
export-to-PDF and not the print-to-PDF? They don't appear on other files
that
use the same template.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Scrolling stopped!

[Lee Actor]

It happens to me occasionally too.  Rebooting the PC should set things
right.

-Lee

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Raymond Horton
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:53 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Scrolling stopped!

Windows Finale 2012: all the sudden my scrolling playback stopped
scrolling. Any suggestions?
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 7

[Lee Actor]

The JW "Measure Numbers" plugin deals with actual measure numbers and
measure number regions; unless I missed something, it doesn't number
repeated measures like the built-in plugin does (automatically placing small
numerals above a sequence of consecutive identical measures).  The built-in
plugin worked fine in versions of Finale before expressions were sorted into
categories; now (at least in Fin2012; I don't know about Fin2014) invoking
the plugin shifts unrelated expressions into the Miscellaneous category.
Not good.

-Lee

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Dean Rosenthal
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 8:46 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 7

I just noticed this today, too. I suggest downloading the JW plugin "Measure
Numbers" -- a lot of options and a lot of control right there. Unsure as to
whether it's available for Windows. 

Dean

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[Finale] Number repeated measures

[Lee Actor]

Has anyone noticed that the "Number Repeated Measures" plugin is seriously
broken?  At least the version that comes with WinFin2012c is.  It does do
the repeated measure numbering as expected, but has the behind-the-scenes
side effect of moving certain pre-existing expressions into other categories
(generally, "Miscellaneous").  Of course, this potentially wreaks havoc on
the placement of the misplaced expressions, which may be easy to overlook.
Does anyone know of an alternative, or if this plugin is fixed in the
current version?

-Lee




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Re: [Finale] PDF EXPORT missing fonts

[Lee Actor]

Possibly the fonts aren't recognized by Windows, though Finale can obviously
access them; check Control Panel->Appearance and Personalization->Fonts to
see if they are listed; if not, you could try installing them from the File
menu.

You should be aware that the pdf export feature in WinFin2012c has a bug
that generates extraneous characters, usually at the bottom of pages
containing triplets.  I reported this bug to Makemusic in Nov. 2013; it's a
known bug in the 3rd party pdf export engine they use, and to the best of my
knowledge it has not been fixed in Fin2014 to date.  You might consider
using one of the many available "pdf printer" products, which install as a
printer driver and enable pdfs to be produced from any application which can
print.  I've tried many of them, and my current favorite is Bullzip
(http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php).  It's fast, full-featured,
produces very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Even better, it's
free for individual use.

One other thing: the Finale pdf export, in addition to being buggy, produces
files 5-6x bigger than any other pdf tool I've used.


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dr.a.s. weinstangel
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 5:37 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] PDF EXPORT missing fonts

O the Knowledgeable ones!

I have never before encountered this one: 

Fin2012 Win10

When I export Finale score as PDF, I get the following message
  The following fonts are used in this document but are not currently
available. They will be replaced by system fonts.

Engraver Font Set
Engraver Text T
Engraver Font Extras

And the PDF doc is of course total gibberish. The fonts are all sitting
nicely in the Fonts folder, as they are supposed too. Reboot did nothing.

Please help!


Dr.A.S.Weinstangel

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Re: [Finale] PDF EXPORT missing fonts

[Lee Actor]

Possibly the fonts aren't recognized by Windows, though Finale can obviously
access them; check Control Panel->Appearance and Personalization->Fonts to
see if they are listed; if not, you could try installing them from the File
menu.

You should be aware that the pdf export feature in WinFin2012c has a bug
that generates extraneous characters, usually at the bottom of pages
containing triplets.  I reported this bug to Makemusic in Nov. 2013; it's a
known bug in the 3rd party pdf export engine they use, and to the best of my
knowledge it has not been fixed in Fin2014 to date.  You might consider
using one of the many available "pdf printer" products, which install as a
printer driver and enable pdfs to be produced from any application which can
print.  I've tried many of them, and my current favorite is Bullzip
(http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php).  It's fast, full-featured,
produces very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Even better, it's
free for individual use.

One other thing: the Finale pdf export, in addition to being buggy, produces
files 5-6x bigger than any other pdf tool I've used.


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dr.a.s. weinstangel
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 5:37 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] PDF EXPORT missing fonts

O the Knowledgeable ones!

I have never before encountered this one: 

Fin2012 Win10

When I export Finale score as PDF, I get the following message
  The following fonts are used in this document but are not currently
available. They will be replaced by system fonts.

Engraver Font Set
Engraver Text T
Engraver Font Extras

And the PDF doc is of course total gibberish. The fonts are all sitting
nicely in the Fonts folder, as they are supposed too. Reboot did nothing.

Please help!


Dr.A.S.Weinstangel

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[Finale] Problem solved?

[Lee Actor]

Bounced again...


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Re: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

[Lee Actor]

What's the issue with long-throw staplers?  I've been using one (PaperPro) for 
years; reliable, consistent alignment and effortless  stapling.  Don't you have 
to prefold the paper for a saddle stapler?  Stapling first then folding works 
great for me, but I'm open to adopting a superior method.

-Lee

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Greg Hamilton
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:06 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

Hi Darcy,

Ah yes, now here�s the rub!

Printing uneven numbered parts booklet style in Finale is somewhat fussier. You 
need to create the required extra blank pages to reach any multiple of four. So 
seven pages of music will require an extra blank page added at the end. This is 
often a consideration when I�m doing my layout.

Yes, the Swingline saddle stapler is a life saver! I�ve seen too many people 
try to use a long reach stapler for this purpose�boo!

All the best,
Greg

 From: Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
 Subject: Re: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow
 Date: August 28, 2015 at 4:21:48 PM PDT
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 
 
 Hi Greg,
 
 Thanks, much obliged. (I already own that Swingline stapler.)
 
 One question � what do you enter in the page range when the total length of 
 the part isn't a multiple of 4 pages?
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
 WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org
 
 On Aug 27, 2015, at 2:56 PM, Greg Hamilton greghamil...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Darcy,
 
 You can easily print 2-Up to 12x18 paper from Finale. My printers are the HP 
 Laserjet 5000 and 5100.
 
 1. Page Setup: create a 12x18 custom paper size and select Horizontal 
 orientation.
 2. Print Dialog: Create a custom preset with your desired settings including 
 2-up in the layout section.
 3. Page ranges: here is where you specify the page order. To print an 8 page 
 booklet part you would type: 8,1,2,7,6,3,4,5 for your pagination.
 4. If you�re doing a manual feed, then you need to turn each sheet over of 
 course.
 5. To bind the part, I recommend the Swingline saddle stapler. You can find 
 them on eBay.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Greg
 

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Re: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

[Lee Actor]

I don't have a non-manual booklet printing solution for Mac, but on Windows I 
highly recommend FIneprint, which I've been using for more than a decade.  I 
never have to worry about blank pages, page order, or scaling.

I'm still using the venerable HP Laserjet 5000; though it's been pretty 
reliable for the past 15 years, I'm thinking about replacing it with the newer 
HP Laserjet M712DN, mainly for the duplexer (I did have a duplexer on the 5000 
for a while, but it was not reliable, esp. on ledger-sized paper).  Does anyone 
have any experience with the M712, particularly duplexing ledger size?  It 
would be a great timesaver not to have to fuss with manual feeding.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Greg Hamilton
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 11:56 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow

Hi Darcy,

You can easily print 2-Up to 12x18 paper from Finale. My printers are the HP 
Laserjet 5000 and 5100.

1. Page Setup: create a 12x18 custom paper size and select Horizontal 
orientation.
2. Print Dialog: Create a custom preset with your desired settings including 
2-up in the layout section.
3. Page ranges: here is where you specify the page order. To print an 8 page 
booklet part you would type: 8,1,2,7,6,3,4,5 for your pagination.
4. If you�re doing a manual feed, then you need to turn each sheet over of 
course.
5. To bind the part, I recommend the Swingline saddle stapler. You can find 
them on eBay.

Hope this helps,
Greg

 From: Darcy James Argue djar...@icloud.com
 Subject: [Finale] 12x18 booklet printing workflow
 Date: August 26, 2015 at 10:05:40 PM PDT
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 So after a year and a half of owning a Ricoh AP6330N, I have � somewhat 
 sheepishly � just today discovered it can actually handle 12x18 paper. (I 
 had until now just assumed that it had the same size limitations as its 
 predecessor, the Ricoh AP2610, which maxed out at 11x17. In retrospect this 
 was really, really dumb.)
 
 Obviously that is a bit of a game changer for me! I have previously been 
 printing on individual 9x12 sheets and taping them using the VPC machine. 
 This is no longer necessary (or remotely desirable) now that I know I can 
 print directly to 12x18.
 
 I'm curious what people's workflow is to create booklet parts on a Mac � 
 presumably it's best print to PDF first, then use booklet software to 
 assemble the 12x18 signatures? Are there apps that people would recommend for 
 this purpose? I have Bookbinder's Collator, but it's not the most intelligent 
 piece of software I've ever used.
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
 -
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Re: [Finale] OT: Recent chamber music for French Horn

[Lee Actor]

Not sure if it fits the bill, but how about a short piece for 8 horns?


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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:14 PM
To: finale
Subject: [Finale] OT: Recent chamber music for French Horn

I am looking for interesting pieces (especially if there is a youtube of
it) with 3-8 players that include 1 or 2 French horn parts, written in the
late 20th cent. or 21st cent. I'm trying to avoid standard ensembles like
wind and brass quintets, and I'm particularly interested in horn as part of
a Pierrot-type ensemble or subset of it. Anyone got suggestions?
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Re: [Finale] Titles

[Lee Actor]

Is there a way to position more precisely than just eyeballing it?

-Lee

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dc
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:48 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Titles

Le 26/05/2015 11:33, Lee Actor écrit :
 Attaching titles to a specific measure as expressions will get you on the
 right page and approximate position, but as far as I know there is no way
to
 specify the position of an expression as centered on the page (which is
what
 I want for titles).  I'm still making titles page-attached text blocks and
 adjusting them in the parts, but I'd be happy to discover a better method.

You can center them by specifying the horizontal offset from the left 
barline.

Dennis

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Re: [Finale] Titles

[Lee Actor]

Attaching titles to a specific measure as expressions will get you on the
right page and approximate position, but as far as I know there is no way to
specify the position of an expression as centered on the page (which is what
I want for titles).  I'm still making titles page-attached text blocks and
adjusting them in the parts, but I'd be happy to discover a better method.

-Lee

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dc
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:18 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Titles

Le 26/05/2015 10:51, Lawrence Yates écrit :
 I'm writing a multi movt piece in one file.  Is there an easy way to put
 the titles in the score and have them keep the same position in the parts?
 I'm clearly doing something wrong as they appear sometimes in the middle
of
 the page, sometimes on the left or right or sometimes not at all.

The best way I've found is to enter them as expresssions attached to 
the top staff of the score or the part.

Dennis

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Re: [Finale] emailing pdf

[Lee Actor]

The pdf export feature in WinFin2012c (the version I'm currently using) has
a bug that generates extraneous characters, usually at the bottom of pages
containing triplets.  I reported this bug to Makemusic in Nov. 2013; it's a
known bug in the 3rd party pdf export engine they use, and to the best of my
knowledge it has not been fixed in Fin2014 to date.  You might consider
using one of the many available pdf printer products, which install as a
printer driver and enable pdfs to be produced from any application which can
print.  I've tried many of them, and my current favorite is Bullzip
(http://bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php).  It's fast, full-featured,
produces very small file sizes, and is solid as a rock.  Even better, it's
free for individual use.

One other thing: the Finale pdf export, in addition to being buggy, produces
files 5-6x bigger than any other pdf tool I've used.

-Lee

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Lawrence Yates
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 2:53 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] emailing pdf

Thanks - no, there are no illegal characters but amazingly, since I sent my
email to the forum, the file has been sent successfully.  I've no idea what
the problem was.

Ah well, another problem solved!

On 8 May 2015 at 22:47, Ryan ry.squa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are there any illegal characters in the filename? I know MacFin has
 problems with the slash / character when generating parts. Perhaps a
 similar issue exists for Windows?

 On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi folks,
 
  I'm using WinFin2012c
 
  I have created a file and exported the parts to pdf.  All of these have
  emailed to my client except the Violin 1 part which has failed four
times
  now.  I have tried renaming it, re-exporting it from Finale, re-saving
 the
  original file under a different name and re-exporting.  It isn't the
  biggest file.
 
  So far nothing is working.
 
  Any ideas please?
 
  Cheers
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Re: [Finale] implode music

[Lee Actor]

If you mean a double accidental on, say, a unison C# that appears in both
layers, that's the way Fin2012 is designed (incorrectly) to work.  The
workaround is to hide the accidental in one of the layers -- and making sure
it still shows up in the part.  This feature -- ok, bug -- was not present
in earlier versions, which correctly made the unison accidentals coincident.
I think I remember reading that this has been corrected in Fin2014.

If you mean a double accidental on non-unison notes, I don't have a clue.

-Lee

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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:26 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] implode music

Win2012c. I have imploded wind parts in a score, with 2nd instruments as
layer 2. 

Everything is as it should be, except that there are two of every accidental
on a staff. Ctrl+U does not do anything, neither does Check Accidentals.

Any suggestions? TIA.

Dr.A.S.Weinstangel

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Re: [Finale] implode music

[Lee Actor]

If the 2 parts on a staff are identical for some length, you might find it
less cumbersome to use an a 2 expression.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
A.S.Weinstangel
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:22 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] implode music

Really? S medieval :-(

Then it may be faster to hide accidentals on every other staff and then do
the implosion, me thinks. 

Thank you everyone for your help. Much appreciated!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:26, Craig Parmerlee cr...@parmerlee.com wrote:
 
 I think he means you have to go through a note at a time in Speedy Entry 
 and hide the ones that are duplicate -- but then go back in the 
 individual parts to show the accidentals where necessary.
 
 
 
 On 11/25/2014 7:48 AM, dr.a.s. weinstangel wrote:
 Thank you, Lee! Yes, unison C#'s in both layers etc.
 
 How do you hide accidentals in only one layer? Neither
DocumentsAccidentals nor DocumentsLayers allow for such a setting.
 
 Thank you for your help.
 
 Dr.A.S.Weinstangel
 
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Re: [Finale] Bizarre playback bug

[Lee Actor]

That occurred to me too; I should have mentioned that each staff has its own
MIDI channel.  The strangest part of this is that after the percussion
instrument change, the clarinet notes don't turn off for the entire piece --
music which had previously played back just fine.

-Lee

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Peter Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 4:44 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Bizarre playback bug

On 17.10.2014 10:41, Lee Actor wrote:

 the notes for one of the clarinet staves play but now do not turn
 off.  Even All Notes Off under MIDI/Audio doesn't turn them off.

 Has anyone seen something similar to this?

Yes, I've seen exactly this phenomena too, except it was trombones in 
my case.  Although I had Troms 1 and 2 on separate staves, they were set 
to use the same MIDI channel, and the hanging notes occurred when both 
parts played the same note together (in unison).  I'm wondering if that 
might be the case with your clarinets.  The answer was to give each part 
its own channel.
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[Finale] Bizarre playback bug

[Lee Actor]

Finale 2012c on Win7, GPO4

On a 25-stave band score, the default for one of the percussion staves is
Basic Orchestral Percussion; there's a passage where it changes to glock,
then at a later point changes to xylophone for the rest of the piece.  I
found that I needed the default percussion again for the last 4 measures, so
I deleted the instrument change to xylo, then used the Change Instrument
utility to select xylo for a range of measures that excluded the last 4
bars.  No problems with playback on that staff.

However, the notes for one of the clarinet staves play but now do not turn
off.  Even All Notes Off under MIDI/Audio doesn't turn them off.  I have to
either exit Finale, or open up the Aria player and reload the bank for that
staff to halt the hideous tone cluster.  I reverted to a previous version of
the file and all is fine until I delete and recreate the xylo instrument
change.  The eternal clarinet notes then return under some playback
conditions I haven't completely determined yet.

Has anyone seen something similar to this?


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Re: [Finale] Bizarre playback bug

[Lee Actor]

Yes, even tried rebooting.  It's something in the file.

-Lee

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David H. Bailey
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 4:56 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Bizarre playback bug

Have you shut down Finale and then restarted it to see if the same 
problems persist?

I know it sounds crazy but sometimes that helps weird problems such as this.

David H. Bailey



On 10/16/2014 7:41 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
 Finale 2012c on Win7, GPO4

 On a 25-stave band score, the default for one of the percussion staves is
 Basic Orchestral Percussion; there's a passage where it changes to glock,
 then at a later point changes to xylophone for the rest of the piece.  I
 found that I needed the default percussion again for the last 4 measures,
so
 I deleted the instrument change to xylo, then used the Change Instrument
 utility to select xylo for a range of measures that excluded the last 4
 bars.  No problems with playback on that staff.

 However, the notes for one of the clarinet staves play but now do not turn
 off.  Even All Notes Off under MIDI/Audio doesn't turn them off.  I have
to
 either exit Finale, or open up the Aria player and reload the bank for
that
 staff to halt the hideous tone cluster.  I reverted to a previous version
of
 the file and all is fine until I delete and recreate the xylo instrument
 change.  The eternal clarinet notes then return under some playback
 conditions I haven't completely determined yet.

 Has anyone seen something similar to this?


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Re: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

[Lee Actor]

Herman Miller Aeron.  Pricey but definitely worth it; the best office chair
I've owned by a mile.  Lots of options available, but the only one I'd get
is the padded leather arms instead of vinyl.  Discounts are widely available
online.

-Lee

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Robert Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:32 PM
To: finale
Subject: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

My old office chair is reaching the end of its life, and I seem to remember
seeing some good recommendations here for a replacement. I don't mind
spending money if it is worth it.

Robert
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Re: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

[Lee Actor]

Don't know if prices are higher in the UK; you can get the basic model in
the US for $500, though the one I'd get is ~$600.

-Lee

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Simon Troup
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:43 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

On 15 October 2014 22:40, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

 Herman Miller Aeron


900 quid for a chair! I'd expect a hover chair for that kind of money...


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Re: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

[Lee Actor]

They're sized a bit on the small side.  Unless you're fairly petite, go for
C.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Robert Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:52 PM
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

Nevermind. I found a size chart.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Robert Patterson 
rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote:

 It comes in sizes A, B, and C. Any idea of the difference?

 On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

 Herman Miller Aeron.  Pricey but definitely worth it; the best office
 chair
 I've owned by a mile.  Lots of options available, but the only one I'd
get
 is the padded leather arms instead of vinyl.  Discounts are widely
 available
 online.

 -Lee

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 Of
 Robert Patterson
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:32 PM
 To: finale
 Subject: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

 My old office chair is reaching the end of its life, and I seem to
 remember
 seeing some good recommendations here for a replacement. I don't mind
 spending money if it is worth it.

 Robert
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Re: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

[Lee Actor]

Try this: http://tinyurl.com/mtkeevo.  Don't pay extra for lumbar support
(worthless) or forward tilt (less than worthless).  You should be able to
price one out between $525-$600, depending on arms and chair size.

-Lee

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Robert Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:23 PM
To: finale
Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Office Chair

$600 was the base price I found, but the extras add up quickly.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Simon Troup 
simon.tr...@digitalmusicart.com wrote:

 I'd be tempted at $500, that sounds a lot more reasonable.


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 On 15 October 2014 23:01, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

  Don't know if prices are higher in the UK; you can get the basic model
in
  the US for $500, though the one I'd get is ~$600.
 
  -Lee
 
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  Of
  Simon Troup
  Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:43 PM
  To: finale@shsu.edu
  Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Office Chair
 
  On 15 October 2014 22:40, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:
 
   Herman Miller Aeron
 
 
  900 quid for a chair! I'd expect a hover chair for that kind of money...
 
 
  --
 
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  http://www.digitalmusicart.com
 
  Partners: Simon Troup  Jennie Troup
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[Finale] Muted trumpet playback

[Lee Actor]

Finale 2012c, GPO 4.  When I use any KS patch for trumpets, they play muted
when encountering con sord.  But they seemingly stay muted forever; senza
sord., mute off, norm., nothing gets them to remove the mutes.  When I
use con sord./senza sord. for strings, it works as expected.  For now I'm
using non-KS patches so the trumpets never mute, but I'd like to get it to
work.  I'm using a custom Human Playback style with almost everything turned
off, except slurs, trills/ornaments/tremolos, haripins/dynamics, and
glissandi/bends; 0% on all slider controls.  What am I missing?

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] Muted trumpet playback

[Lee Actor]

None of the expressions is defined to directly change patches; presumably
Human Playback does that through key-switching (KS).  Senza sord. unmutes
strings, but not trumpets, and I don't understand what's wrong.

-Lee

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dershem
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:17 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Muted trumpet playback

On 9/29/2014 4:10 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
 Finale 2012c, GPO 4.  When I use any KS patch for trumpets, they play
muted
 when encountering con sord.  But they seemingly stay muted forever;
senza
 sord., mute off, norm., nothing gets them to remove the mutes.  When
I
 use con sord./senza sord. for strings, it works as expected.  For now I'm
 using non-KS patches so the trumpets never mute, but I'd like to get it to
 work.  I'm using a custom Human Playback style with almost everything
turned
 off, except slurs, trills/ornaments/tremolos, haripins/dynamics, and
 glissandi/bends; 0% on all slider controls.  What am I missing?

 -Lee
The patch for mute is apparently set up right, but you have to change 
the playback patch for 'senza sord' back to 'trumpet' alone. That should 
do it.

Carl
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Re: [Finale] Muted trumpet playback

[Lee Actor]

Tried open, that didn't work either.  For some reason that key-switch is
getting stuck.

-Lee

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Chuck Israels
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:13 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Muted trumpet playback

Have you tried open?

That seems to work pretty consistently for me.

Chuck

On Sep 29, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

 None of the expressions is defined to directly change patches; presumably
 Human Playback does that through key-switching (KS).  Senza sord.
unmutes
 strings, but not trumpets, and I don't understand what's wrong.
 
 -Lee
 
 -Original Message-
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
Of
 dershem
 Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:17 PM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Muted trumpet playback
 
 On 9/29/2014 4:10 PM, Lee Actor wrote:
 Finale 2012c, GPO 4.  When I use any KS patch for trumpets, they play
 muted
 when encountering con sord.  But they seemingly stay muted forever;
 senza
 sord., mute off, norm., nothing gets them to remove the mutes.  When
 I
 use con sord./senza sord. for strings, it works as expected.  For now I'm
 using non-KS patches so the trumpets never mute, but I'd like to get it
to
 work.  I'm using a custom Human Playback style with almost everything
 turned
 off, except slurs, trills/ornaments/tremolos, haripins/dynamics, and
 glissandi/bends; 0% on all slider controls.  What am I missing?
 
 -Lee
 The patch for mute is apparently set up right, but you have to change 
 the playback patch for 'senza sord' back to 'trumpet' alone. That should 
 do it.
 
 Carl
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Re: [Finale] Breath Mark Playback

[Lee Actor]

What I do is shorten the note playback length -- either via the breath mark
definition, or by adjusting the MIDI stop value -- and manually insert a
tempo change just before the breath mark.  Depending on where you place the
tempo change and what value you choose, you can make both the pause and the
note before the pause last any length you want.  Of course, you need to
manually add another tempo change following the pause to restore the
previous tempo.  This method is easier than it sounds.

-Lee

Lee Actor
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Raymond Horton
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 3:13 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Breath Mark Playback

I've used that a million times to humanize playback
On Jul 9, 2014 2:26 PM, Dean Rosenthal deanrosent...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, full value note, correct. This is a smart solution - hadn't thought
 of change meter to show as to work around hidden rest. Thank you.

 Dean

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  On Jul 9, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I believe client wants a full-value note followed by a short
interruption
  in the meter.  Only good solution would seem an added hidden rest.
  Change
  meter to show as the original meter.
  On Jul 9, 2014 2:51 AM, Giovanni Andreani i...@giovanniandreani.eu
  wrote:
 
  Dean, have you tried modifying the articulation's parameters within the
  Articulation Designer window? You should be able to affect the note's
  duration during playback.
 
  Giovanni
 
 
  
 
  Giovanni Andreani
 
  www.giovanniandreani.eu
 
  Hello:
 
  Anyone care to discuss playback with respect to breath marks? I'm not
 sure
  what to expect here - shortening the length of the note (which is what
  appears to be the default HP) doesn't really seem to jibe with reality
 -
  what music really sounds like when performed - nor definition. Maybe
 I've
  misunderstood what the term means, but I've typically considered  a
 breath
  mark to indicate the place to breathe (in vocal or instrumental)
 resulting
  in something of a short break - not quite a caesura, but *something*.
 
  This doesn't have to do with my own music - it's for a client who
 wants to
  hear that brief pause without shortening the full value of the note to
  which the breath mark is attached. FYI thoughts I had or read about:
 could
  put in a hidden rest, but that changes the time-sig - or a zero-width
  measure...or?
 
  Thoughts? Many thanks!
 
  Dean
 
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Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

[Lee Actor]

Chances are that the print dialog is still there, behind the Finale window.
Same problem with Finale 2012 (Win7), which insists on being on top when it
shouldn't; this happens for me in print dialogs and the 3rd party pdf
printer I use.  BTW, the internal pdf generator has known bugs in both
Finale 2012 and 2014 -- it produces stray triplet 3 characters along the
bottom of certain pages -- plus the pdf's it produces are 4-5 times larger
at the same quality level than other pdf software I've used.

-Lee

Lee Actor
Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic
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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
David H. Bailey
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:37 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic

On 11/20/2013 4:09 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
 I use Digital Performer, and I don't see MusicXML. They do have Final Cut
Pro XML, OMF, AAF, and AudioDesk (which I believe is a scaled down version
of DP they ship with their hardware interfaces).

[snip]

My first thought when reading about the reorganization at MakeMusic is 
that the new owners, being venture capitalists and not software 
developers, are looking to reshape the Finale team so they can make it 
more marketable to another company such as Cakewalk.

Steinberg is developing their own notation program, Avid has Sibelius to 
go along with ProTools, Presonus bought up Notion, so the only 
independent notation program is Finale.

Thinking like a venture capitalist, that's what I would do -- invest in 
modernizing the code so that it could more easily be incorporated into 
another product line, get a new upgrade out the door to recoup some of 
the investment as well as prove to potential corporate buyers that 
there's a thriving marketplace still, then unload just Finale or 
possibly the whole company or spinoff SmartMusic on its own and sell 
that also to some educational software company.

Only time will tell -- in the meantime I'm satisfied with Finale2014, at 
least so far.

The only problem I've run into is that when I print, if I need to change 
something in the printer driver, such as duplexing, once I OK that 
dialog the entire Finale Print dialog disappears.   Then when I click 
Print again in Finale, the computer beeps at me as if I was a stupid 
fool and Finale's print dialog appears again.  I have no idea if that's 
a Finale problem, a Win8.1/Finale-combination problem or what, but it's 
annoying since I can't set up the duplexing from within Finale's print 
dialog.



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Re: [Finale] And there it is, folks: Finale 2014 is here -

[Lee Actor]

I got the MM email 3 hours ago; no sign of 2014 on the website yet.

-Lee

Lee Actor
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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of 
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 1:04 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] And there it is, folks: Finale 2014 is here -

The link(s) on the initial page do read 2014 � but then when clicking on �Learn 
More� or �Upgrade Now� or even the 2014 photo/logo � it�s all about 2012 
upgrading.   And touting (among other things):  

  �New in Finale 2012, Finale�s ScoreManager helps musicians quickly make their 
creations look and sound any way they wish, with an advanced control over staff 
playback and appearance � all in one convenient place.   As revolutionary as 
the ScoreManager is, it�s just one part of a comprehensive upgrade. By 
providing advances in appearance, playback and new ways to share music, Finale 
2012 enables musicians to achieve the highest quality results in less time.�

Eric � did you actually get to a list of 2014 features?And did anyone ELSE 
receive the e-mail from MM this (Sunday) evening??

Les Marsden
(209) 966-6988 (H)
(559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
7145 Snyder Creek Road
Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission
President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ? ? ?

Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og 
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://tinyurl.com/MariposaSO 

[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 

From: Eric Dannewitz 
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 10:58 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu 
Subject: Re: [Finale] And there it is, folks: Finale 2014 is here -

Link goes to 2014 finale for me

Sent from my iSomething
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 On Nov 3, 2013, at 10:56 PM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra m...@sti.net wrote:

 Well, let�s try this, then:

 http://www.finalemusic.com/Promotions/2013/1010U/index.html?utm_source=cheetahutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Fin_2014Upg_EM1

 There�s something very d�j� vu going on here...

 Despite the touting of Finale 2014 in the e-mail I received this evening, the 
 links go to 2012what IS going on at MM??!

 Les Marsden
 (209) 966-6988 (H)
 (559) 708-6027 (Limited-reception cell)
 7145 Snyder Creek Road
 Mariposa, CA 95338-9641

 Chairman, Mariposa County Planning Commission
 President, Mariposa County Arts Council, Incorporated
 Board Director, Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County
 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra ? ? ?

 Marsden Marx Pages (former career ended by disability): 
 http://tinyurl.com/ygpj7og
 Mariposa Symphony Orchestra: http://tinyurl.com/MariposaSO
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[Finale] Accidental positioning bug

[Lee Actor]

Can someone confirm that this is a bug in Fin2012?  With Use cross-layer
accidental positioning set in Document Options - Accidentals, a unison note
in 2 layers will have both accidentals spaced so they will not collide,
instead of coincidental as they should properly be.  Unchecking the
cross-layer option fixes this, but of course messes up accidental
positioning in most other multi-layer situations.  These settings produced
proper results in Fin2004; not sure when it changed.

I realize I can simply hide one of the accidentals, but that leaves open the
possibility that it doesn't get reset properly in the part.

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] EXPORT AS MP3

[Lee Actor]

From the Fin2012 Help:

Compressed (MP3) audio files are not supported while recording with VST as
the playback device.

-Lee


Lee Actor
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-Original Message-
From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Jari Williamsson
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 2:32 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] EXPORT AS MP3

On 2013-03-15 22:15, Phil Buglass wrote:
 I guess it is mac only...  :-(  My PC just lists
 .wav as the only option.  I have a couple of
 programs which can do the conversion, but it
 would have been nice to do direct from finale.

You can export to mp3 with or without HP (I have both options available 
all the time on my FinWin2012 system). However, you need a mp3 codec 
installed.


Best regards,

Jari Williamsson



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[Finale] Hairpin bug?

[Lee Actor]

The edit point on the small end of a hairpin doesn't coincide with the
screen display, esp. under higher magnifications.  The point of the hairpin
is displayed on screen beyond the edit point, while the two coincide when
printing, which makes editing a pain.  I have the impression that this has
been the case for the last several versions of Finale.  Has anyone reported
this as a bug?

-Lee


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[Finale] Possible bug

[Lee Actor]

Is this a bug, or is it just me: editing a linked part, I change the end
point of a multimeasure rest to accommodate a clef change in the following
measure.  When I go back to the score (no editing), then back to the part,
the end point of the multimeasure rest has been reset to the default value.
In fact, edits to the end points of multimeasure rests in all linked parts
are reset to the default value.  My default value for the end point is -20,
which I change to -45 for clef changes, so it's very obvious when it gets
reset.  Bug?

-Lee

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Re: [Finale] Possible bug

[Lee Actor]

My mistake; I had this option checked when it shouldn't have been.  But this
has spurred me to completely abandon linked parts and go back to extracting
parts.  That way, when there's a problem, even if it's my fault, at least
it's limited to the part I'm editing, and doesn't have far-reaching affects
that I may not notice for some time.  For me, linked parts has only very
marginal advantages, and I have no interest in going to lengths to make a
feature work, at the expense of my productivity.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Ryan
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:15 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Possible bug

In document options, go to Multimeasure Rests. Make sure that Update
Automatically is unchecked.
If it is unchecked, then it's a bug.
This is checked by default. (I wish it weren't.)


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

 Is this a bug, or is it just me: editing a linked part, I change the end
 point of a multimeasure rest to accommodate a clef change in the following
 measure.  When I go back to the score (no editing), then back to the part,
 the end point of the multimeasure rest has been reset to the default
value.
 In fact, edits to the end points of multimeasure rests in all linked parts
 are reset to the default value.  My default value for the end point is
-20,
 which I change to -45 for clef changes, so it's very obvious when it gets
 reset.  Bug?

 -Lee

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[Finale] Cues on percussion staves

[Lee Actor]

What is the cleanest way to show cues with pitched instruments on an
unpitched percussion staff?  In Fin2004, I used a staff style with the
Notation Style set to Standard; in Fin2012, the staff style DB doesn't
include a Notation Style selection.  I can get the pitches in the cue to
show properly by using Utilities-Change Instrument and selecting a pitched
instrument, but that seems very klunky.  Is there a better way?

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Re: [Finale] Cues on percussion staves

[Lee Actor]

I did try a 5-line staff with a staff style, but accidentals in the cue
don't show up.  Staff styles would be a better solution if they hadn't had
functionality removed.

-Lee

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Robert Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 4:28 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Cues on percussion staves

You can change to a 5-line staff with a staff style. In some situations
that might be good enough. Otherwise change instrument.

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

 What is the cleanest way to show cues with pitched instruments on an
 unpitched percussion staff?  In Fin2004, I used a staff style with the
 Notation Style set to Standard; in Fin2012, the staff style DB doesn't
 include a Notation Style selection.  I can get the pitches in the cue to
 show properly by using Utilities-Change Instrument and selecting a
pitched
 instrument, but that seems very klunky.  Is there a better way?

 -Lee


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[Finale] Linked parts

[Lee Actor]

To those of you who are enthusiastic proponents of linked parts, I have a
question: how do you keep your sanity?  In a word: with all the parts in a
single file, if something goes wrong, EVERYTHING goes wrong.

I'm working on the parts for a 150+ page orchestral score, with the score
locked down in one file, and a copy of the score for editing parts -- there
just seems to me to be too many hoops to jump through to make everything
work in a single file, and compromises I'm not willing to make (like
inability to have different music spacing factors in score and parts).  Even
with my finalized score safely out of harm's way, I'm finding it
distressingly easy to inadvertently mess up a carefully laid-out part while
working on another part of the score (mostly while adding and adjusting
cues).  No doubt this is due to my relative inexperience with linked parts,
but having to treat your tools like you're always walking on eggshells is
not conducive to productivity.  It's got me seriously thinking about going
back to extracting parts, which at least has the advantage that you can't
inadvertently mess up the flute part while you're editing the oboe part.

I'm having a hard time coming up with practical reasons for the superiority
of linked parts -- in terms of productivity, not in terms of design or
concept.   Having something change in a part not being worked on is a
nightmare to me, and I have no problem with having 25 different files in a
project instead of one or two.  I'd really like to hear from more
experienced linked parts fans as to what advantages I'm overlooking.

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] Linked parts

[Lee Actor]

Thanks for your comments.  I'm sure many of the issues I've seen have to do
with auto-spacing being on.  Still, the concept that I can make an
admittedly stupid error in one place, and not catch it for some time because
the effect is another place entirely, makes me queasy.

I have no doubt that one can, with enough workarounds and tiptoeing about,
make linked parts work.  My question remains, what compelling reasons are
there for doing so?  It still seems to me that using linked parts is more
work, not less.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
SN jef chippewa
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:33 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Linked parts


if something goes wrong, EVERYTHING goes wrong.

despite my well known dissastisfaction with linked parts, i have to 
say this is a gross exaggeration.

inability to have different music spacing factors in score and parts).

this is indeed stupid, but i have resolved the problem simply by 
doing EVERYTHING in the score layout first before spacing parts. 
also used JW plugin space empty rests recently that was great help in 
the parts once i found my ideal settings for it.

i have a sheet on the wall in front of me with my settings for the SC 
/ PTs spacing so can change back and forth quickly if needed.  and 
another sheet nearby with the H pos. settings for individual measures 
/ notes where running music spacing will change them (so after i run 
spacing in the PTs i can correct what has been undone in the SC).

using linked parts is all about deciding how much compromise you can 
accept -- in the output and/or workflow -- and where you can accept 
compromises are not terribly compromising.

in any case, you mention having a seperate score for editing of the 
parts, you are in effect not really using linked parts as they are 
meant.  so none of the stupidities of the current disastrous 
implementation of finale's linked parts should be of any both to you 
anyways...?

easy to inadvertently mess up a carefully laid-out part while 
working on another part of the score (mostly while adding and 
adjusting cues).

not clear what problems you are running into, but if you make sure 
many of the auto features are off you might avoid many problems:
- auto-update MM rests
- auto-spacing
- etc.


inadvertently mess up the flute part while you're editing the oboe part.

this should not normally happen, unless you forget to uncheck certain 
instruments in the select parts to affect dialogue when doing 
certain operations (layout: systems or freeze measures in x systems.

--

if you can point out some specific things that are getting messed 
up, there could possibly be some simple solutions to at least some 
of them.

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Re: [Finale] Rehearsal marks

[Lee Actor]

Yes, I noticed this new behavior of items attached to hidden staves in a
score list appearing in the next lower staff.  That usually works well for
my case of one rehearsal mark on the top staff and another on a staff
further down the page.  However, when all the staves above the 2nd rehearsal
mark staff are hidden, I'm left with only one rehearsal mark.  I've taken
Robert's suggestion and defined the score list to include a third staff, and
most of the time I hide the rehearsal marks assigned to it.

-Lee

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SN jef chippewa
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 2:41 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Rehearsal marks


i would need to pull out my most recent project (which i am not keen 
to do for a little while :-)) but i did notice, without ever 
understanding why or how, that time sigs (as text expressios) 
assigned to specific staves showed on the next adjacent staff when a 
dedicated timesig staff was hidden.  without ever needing to define 
or use another staff list or hide the expressions selectively.

i would assume the same behaviour would be experienced in your case, 
since you are using rehearsal markings as i did time sigs.  my 
rehearsal marks were only shown on the top staff of the score.

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[Finale] Rehearsal marks

[Lee Actor]

In Finale 2012, has anyone found a straightforward way to change the staff
list assignment for a single instance of an auto-sequenced rehearsal mark?
I don't see a way to do this without a kludgy workaround (like defining a
new single-purpose expression for the score and hiding it in the parts).

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] Rehearsal marks

[Lee Actor]

Sorry I wasn't more explicit.  I want rehearsal marks to appear at the top
of the score and on the soloist staff (this is a concerto with orchestra
accompaniment).  On pages where all the staves above the soloist are hidden,
I want a rehearsal mark on the next staff below the soloist as well.

I see what you're saying about skipping the auto-sequencing completely at
that point, and inserting a different expression.  Is there a way to do it
while retaining the auto-sequence functionality?

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Robert Patterson
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:26 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Rehearsal marks

Without knowing exactly what you are trying to do, it is difficult to
advise. If necessary, you can create the single purpose expression, but why
would you need to hide it in the parts? You can simply have the
auto-sequencing skip that mark.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

 In Finale 2012, has anyone found a straightforward way to change the staff
 list assignment for a single instance of an auto-sequenced rehearsal mark?
 I don't see a way to do this without a kludgy workaround (like defining a
 new single-purpose expression for the score and hiding it in the parts).

 -Lee


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Re: [Finale] Rehearsal marks

[Lee Actor]

Good suggestion, thanks.  The exceptions are infrequent, so most cases will
involve hiding the extra rehearsal mark, but it is the least fussy solution
that still uses auto-sequencing, with no extra expressions needed.

-Lee

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Robert Patterson
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:03 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Rehearsal marks

Depending how many exceptions there are, you could hide the occurrences on
the staves you don't want.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

 Sorry I wasn't more explicit.  I want rehearsal marks to appear at the top
 of the score and on the soloist staff (this is a concerto with orchestra
 accompaniment).  On pages where all the staves above the soloist are
 hidden,
 I want a rehearsal mark on the next staff below the soloist as well.

 I see what you're saying about skipping the auto-sequencing completely at
 that point, and inserting a different expression.  Is there a way to do it
 while retaining the auto-sequence functionality?

 -Lee

 -Original Message-
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf
 Of
 Robert Patterson
 Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:26 AM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Rehearsal marks

 Without knowing exactly what you are trying to do, it is difficult to
 advise. If necessary, you can create the single purpose expression, but
why
 would you need to hide it in the parts? You can simply have the
 auto-sequencing skip that mark.

 On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

  In Finale 2012, has anyone found a straightforward way to change the
 staff
  list assignment for a single instance of an auto-sequenced rehearsal
 mark?
  I don't see a way to do this without a kludgy workaround (like defining
a
  new single-purpose expression for the score and hiding it in the parts).
 
  -Lee
 
 
  Lee Actor
  Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic
  http://www.leeactor.com
 


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[Finale] Moving staves in a system

[Lee Actor]

In Finale 2012, is there a way to move a staff within a system without
moving the staves below it?  Sometimes I'd like to drag just a single staff
up or down in one step, without changing the ones below it.  I know I could
do this in Fin2004, but I can't find the same function in Fin2012.

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] Moving staves in a system

[Lee Actor]

Thanks for the pointer, it's Alt-click in Windows, same as in Fin2004
(thought I tried that, but apparently not).  It would be nice if this was in
the documentation somewhere.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Ryan
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:21 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Moving staves in a system

On a Mac, Option-click the staff's handle. Not sure what the procedure is
on Windows.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

 In Finale 2012, is there a way to move a staff within a system without
 moving the staves below it?  Sometimes I'd like to drag just a single
staff
 up or down in one step, without changing the ones below it.  I know I
could
 do this in Fin2004, but I can't find the same function in Fin2012.

 -Lee


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[Finale] Clefs in linked parts

[Lee Actor]

Is it really true that the clef in a part can't be unlinked from the clef in
the score?  There's a legitimate need for this, e.g., a bassoon or trombone
staff shared by 2 parts, both of which in the score are in tenor clef (to
save space), but the lower voice in the part should be in bass clef (for
readability).  Not that common, but when you need it, you need it.

And what about a passage using 8va in the score, but written at pitch in the
part?  This sometimes happens in high flute and violin parts.  Is this
possible?

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] External displays

[Lee Actor]

Dell has a superb 27 (Ultrasharp series) that does 2560x1440 for under
$700.  I bought one when they were $1000 and don't regret it a bit.  Highly
recommended.  (Note: not every video card will support this resolution.)

-Lee

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Darcy James Argue
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:51 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] External displays

Hi all,

This may be stating the obvious, but pixels matter. Most large displays
still top out at HD resolution (1920 x 1080). That's what I have, and I'm
always wishing I had more real estate.

Apple's 27 displays are expensive but they contain significantly more
pixels (2560-by-1440). A few other manufacturers also make 2560-by-1440
pixel displays -- none of them are exactly cheap, but if you can afford it,
might as well get the most pixels you can afford.

Cheers,

- DJA
-
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On Dec 11, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:

 Bigger is better.  I have a 27 - used to have a 30 - wish there were a
practical way to go larger.  Details that show up on printing tend to get
lost when viewing on a monitor, even full size.  Enlargements make problems
more apparent.  At least this has been my experience.  Get the largest
practical monitor - you won't regret it.
 
 Chuck
 
 On Dec 11, 2012, at 1:42 PM, SN jef chippewa
shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:
 
 
 get one, definitely
 
 i have a 24 and can proofread / edit two facing 9x12 pages (zoomed 
 to fit) clearly with just over half of the next page also visible. 
 as needed, i can (for example) dock other things on the laptop 
 screen, like PDFs of the part i just finished as i set up / edit the 
 next part.
 
 Wondering if you would tell more about your experiences pro or con 
 with using the large monitor. How large? Is it an HDTV and if so is 
 the communication via HDMI? Anything you wish you'd have considered 
 but didn't? Glad you did it?
 
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Re: [Finale] Large-format duplex laser printer rec?

[Lee Actor]

Thanks for the info.  How long have you had the duplexer, and would you say
it has been under heavy or light use?

-Lee

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Brian Williams
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [Finale] Large-format duplex laser printer rec?

I have an HP5200 with a duplexer and haven't had any problems. It duplexes
80lb text weight 9.5 x 12.5 and 60 lb text weight 11 x 17 just fine.
-Brian


On 12/4/12 10:00 AM, Lee Actor wrote:

 Anyone using the HP5200 duplexer?  I've been using an HP5000 for more than
a
 decade w/o a duplexer (had one for a while, but it was quite unreliable on
 heavyweight paper and not worth the hassle); I would consider going to the
 5200 if the duplexer really worked.
 
 -Lee


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Re: [Finale] Large-format duplex laser printer rec?

[Lee Actor]

Anyone using the HP5200 duplexer?  I've been using an HP5000 for more than a
decade w/o a duplexer (had one for a while, but it was quite unreliable on
heavyweight paper and not worth the hassle); I would consider going to the
5200 if the duplexer really worked.

-Lee

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J D Thomas
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 2:53 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Large-format duplex laser printer rec?

Hi Darcy,

I have an HP5100 with a duplexer and it's still going strong after 9 years.
Like Chuck, the duplexer crapped out for me after 6 years, and I was able to
get a new replacement from eBay for a lot less than from HP.  And that is
still going fine at this point.  This is my 3rd HP printer over 20+ years
and it's basically a tank.  

J D Thomas
ThomaStudios


On Dec 2, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:

 Hi Darcy,
 
 My HP 5000 has lasted many years - more than 20.  But the duplexer failed
early on and then became impractical to repair. I don't know how different
the 5100 is. 
 
 Chuck
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 2, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net
wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I think my much-hated Ricoh 2610 is finally on its last legs. Any
recommendations for a replacement? Must be large-format monochrome laser
with duplex unit. Considering a used HP 5100 but I'm somewhat wary of the
uncertainty of used models, any tips?
 
 Cheers,
 
 - DJA
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Re: [Finale] transposing / linked parts / that acci bug

[Lee Actor]

I compose directly into Finale (transposed score, chromatic, no key
signatures), and often input notes in their transposed (i.e., as written)
form.  I admit, it can be disconcerting to hear the wrong pitch when
entering notes.  But when I do enter notes in concert pitch, I don't switch
the score to display in concert pitch; instead I chromatically transpose the
passage up a fifth or major second or whatever after entry.  Maybe slightly
less efficient than toggling the switch to display in concert pitch, but I
rarely encounter the dreaded 9-key enharmonic bug (which I use all the
time).

-Lee

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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:48 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] transposing / linked parts / that acci bug

Hi Chris,

I did not know this. This is obviously deeply stupid. I even use Transposed
Scores! But when composing, I make the switch *after* entering the notes,
and I suspect it's the same for anyone else who composes directly into
Finale, without making detailed sketches on paper first.

Cheers,

- DJA
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On Nov 27, 2012, at 12:35 PM, Christopher Smith
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote:

 According to tech support, you are supposed to enter the notes you want in
transposed pitch; anything you do here will stick.


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Re: [Finale] copy PT layout to another document

[Lee Actor]

Interesting; I use many of the TGTools in Fin2k12, but shift accidentals not
only doesn't work for me, it crashes Finale.  I'm on Win7.

-Lee

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SN jef chippewa
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 7:43 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] copy PT layout to another document


given weirdness encountered with update groups already in 2010 
(which i almost never discovered right when it happened), i am not 
exactly keen to try it out just for fun at this stage.

i use shift accis / smart shape ends, harmonics and align dynamics 
(all note- or measure-related) but not much more (e.g. things related 
to staff or layout).  anxiously awaiting an update...


Have you tried TGTools? Much of it still works in Fin12.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:06 PM, SN jef chippewa 
shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote:

   is there an up-to-date plugin that can do this?  i know TGTools
  transfer did this but it has not yet been updated for F2012.

  i need to split a score into 2 documents to be able to complete it,
  since i reached the frame limit some time ago and have almost nothing
  else left to do that does not require more frames.  unfortunately
  there is still much work to do on the PTs but i need to complete and
  send the SC.

  this means when i complete the PTs in the 1st document, i need the
  layout (even if music has been erased) to be the same in the 2nd
   document so that page numbering works out right.

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Re: [Finale] Speedy 9 key - respell enharmonically

[Lee Actor]

I use Speedy 9 about 10,000 times a day (Fin2012), and haven't seen a
problem.  Can it be a Mac thing?  I'm on Win7.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Robert Patterson
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:31 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Speedy 9 key - respell enharmonically

In my experience, it is a failure at the point of entry. If you used 9-flip
before Fin07 those files should be okay. At least, I have never seen any
problems with mine.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz 
bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote:

 On Fri, October 12, 2012 4:49 pm, Christopher Smith wrote:
  Yes, it is still broken, and desperately so. No change since the fix.

 I use the computer keyboard for entry, so used the 9-flip a LOT when
 composing. I stopped using it when it was reported broken on this list.

 But I have many scores created before the 9-flip broke. If I import them
 into
 a later Finale and generate parts, will the problem show up? Or does it
 only
 show up in already generated parts? If a score has 9-flips and is saved
and
 re-loaded, is everything okay?

 In other words, where exactly does the 9-flip fail?

 Thanks,
 Dennis

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Re: [Finale] 2012B: Controlling automatic range detection

[Lee Actor]

Try View-Out-of-Range Notes, which has a drop-down menu containing
Off/Beginner/Intermediate/Advanced.

-Lee

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Craig Parmerlee
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:43 PM
To: Finale News List
Subject: [Finale] 1012B: Controlling automatic range detection

The 2012B release has a nice feature that automatically highlights notes 
that Finale thinks are out of range.  Previously there was a plug-in to 
do this.  In the plug-in you could select beginner-intermediate-advanced 
to fine-tune the range.  I have looked around and I cannot find any way 
to control the settings for this automatic range checking.

Has anybody found how to do this?  I don't see anything n the UI. Maybe 
there are some editable filed that control this.
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Re: [Finale] ScoreManager in 2012b

[Lee Actor]

To answer my own question, I think it had something to do with the Aria
engine version being out of sync with the Aria player.  When I reinstalled
GPO4 and then the Fin2012b update (which installs Aria 1.5 for both engine
and player), things starting working as expected.  Allowing this mismatch to
happen is not what I would consider a robust software installation design,
esp. considering that Makemusic now owns Garritan.

Hope this helps someone else.

-Lee

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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:18 PM
To: Finale News List
Subject: [Finale] ScoreManager in 2012b

When I change an instrument or add a new instrument (either GPO4 or GIFF) in
ScoreManager, nothing changes in the Aria player; whatever was loaded in a
particular bank stays there.  I can manually change the instruments in the
Aria player, but I thought Finale was supposed to automatically take care of
all that in ScoreManager for libraries with sound maps (like GPO4 and GIFF).
What am I missing?

-Lee


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[Finale] ScoreManager in 2012b

[Lee Actor]

When I change an instrument or add a new instrument (either GPO4 or GIFF) in
ScoreManager, nothing changes in the Aria player; whatever was loaded in a
particular bank stays there.  I can manually change the instruments in the
Aria player, but I thought Finale was supposed to automatically take care of
all that in ScoreManager for libraries with sound maps (like GPO4 and GIFF).
What am I missing?

-Lee


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Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012

[Lee Actor]

Maybe the Fit Music facility built into Finale will work for you.  You can
find it under the Utilities menu, or Mass Mover for older version of
Finale.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Andrew Levin
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 6:49 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012

Hi, all,

I just enabled TGTools Lite, which came with Finale 2012. There *is* no Fit
Music command in this mini-plugin. Does it exist for someone else out there
in FinaleLand?

Andrew Levin
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Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012

[Lee Actor]

There is a Fit Measures TGTool, as well as a function of the same name
(and similar capabilities) built into Finale.  Are you both referring to the
same thing?

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Rick Neal
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 5:04 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012

I also use Fit Music extensively. I have not noticed any problems at all 
with using it in 2011 or 2012.

Rick Neal

On 7/5/2012 1:49 PM, Andrew Levin wrote:
 By far the TGTool that I use the most is Fit Music, where you can
highlight whatever section of the music you want and tell Finale to fit it
into X number of systems. I use this for virtually every piece I work on.

 Or almost all.

 In 2011 and now 2012 it seems broken. Sometimes it just doesn't space
music evenly, cramming some systems full of music and leaving others pretty
sparse. Sometimes re-doing the command fixes it, but more often not. If it
doesn't fit in, say 17 systems, I'll try 16 or 18 -- sometimes it works,
sometimes not. VERY frustrating..

 Does anyone else run into this problem? I haven't seen mention of it, and
I can't imagine being the only one.

 Andrew Levin

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Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012

[Lee Actor]

Align dynamics works (whew!), but shift accidentals spins for a while
and then dies (this is on Win7 x64).  To my eye, the default spacing for
accidentals in a chord is much too wide, and it's very painful to adjust
these without an automated tool.

Also, smart explosion usually crashes Finale completely, which means a lot
more work generating parts -- at least until linked parts can gracefully
handle multi-part staves, cues, and different music spacing for scores and
parts.

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
SN jef chippewa
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:55 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] TGTools and F2012


if anyone is using TGTools on 2012, have you had any issues with 
using shift/accidentals or align dynamics?  i know some parts of the 
PI are not working properly (i had extremely bad things happen when 
running the update groups PI), but for these simple and 
straight-forward ones, i am hoping there is no problem...?

cheers,
jef

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Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012

[Lee Actor]

I'm using the latest TGT, which on Win is 2.61, and the shift accidentals
plugin doesn't work at all for me.  My comment on default spacing of
accidentals being too wide was meant to refer to the Finale default for
notes a fifth or sixth apart, which is what I need the TGT plugin for.  It
helps some if I change the default spacing between accidentals in doc
options from 8 to 5 EVPUs, but this one-size-fits-all approach isn't nearly
as good as the plugin was.  I want my plugin back!

BTW, the plugin never did work properly for chords of more than 2 notes, not
a particularly frequent occurrence for me.  It does seem very strange that
this plugin chokes on my system and not on yours.

-Lee

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SN jef chippewa
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 3:10 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTools and F2012


hey lee,  i'm not getting this crash at all, are you using TGT 2.6? 
not sure it would make a diff, but if not, try updating.  i got over 
my fears and installed it and today and it is running more or less as 
expected, and i think it is even faster on 2012 than it was on 2012, 
don't know if that is possible (?).

i am however discovering that it isn't shifting on some notes, will 
explore more tomorrow, but maybe was only in the viola voices, so may 
have to do with how the PI reads the actual pitches... (?)

Align dynamics works (whew!), but shift accidentals spins for a 
while and then dies (this is on Win7 x64).  To my eye, the default 
spacing for accidentals in a chord is much too wide

hm, sounds like you haven't explored the settings in the accis tab 
for accis between 4th, 5ths and 6ths, or the sixths tabs which has 
even more fine-tuning.  also, you prob won't need it (the default 
settings work even with my custom font), but you can also adjust the 
values the PI considers to be the default widths of nat b # bb and x.

or if you mean the finale default, you can change this in the doc options.

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[Finale] Document styles vs. templates

[Lee Actor]

I'm trying to assess the relative merits of using document styles for
starting new projects in Fin2012b as opposed to templates.

I used the Setup Wizard to create a new orchestral score (also a customized
Ensemble), imported all my settings, artics, expressions, etc., then
painstakingly edited all the staff and group names and positions as I prefer
and saved the whole thing as a new document style.  But if I try to create a
new score using this document style and the setup wizard, all the staff and
group editing is gone.  Of course, if I create the new score directly from a
template, all the staff and group changes are there.

It seems to me that going the template route will save a lot more time, even
if I have to add or remove some instruments and redo the scaling.  Am I
missing something with document styles?

-Lee


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[Finale] Document styles vs. templates

[Lee Actor]

I'm trying to assess the relative merits of using document styles for
starting new projects in Fin2012b as opposed to templates.

I used the Setup Wizard to create a new orchestral score (also a customized
Ensemble), imported all my settings, artics, expressions, etc., then
painstakingly edited all the staff and group names and positions as I prefer
and saved the whole thing as a new document style.  But if I try to create a
new score using this document style and the setup wizard, all the staff and
group editing is gone.  Of course, if I create the new score directly from a
template, all the staff and group changes are there.

It seems to me that going the template route will save a lot more time, even
if I have to add or remove some instruments and redo the scaling.  Am I
missing something with document styles?

-Lee


Lee Actor
Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic
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Re: [Finale] Navigating layers in Speedy Entry

[Lee Actor]

In Windows, the shortcut keys for switching layers are Alt-Shift-n, where n
is a number from 1 to 4.  Not sure about Mac.


Lee Actor
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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Peter Taylor
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:15 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Navigating layers in Speedy Entry

Can anyone kindly explain for me how I can navigate layers in Speedy Entry
without having to take my hand off the number pad and grab the mouse?  The
manual says the keyboard shortcut is the double quote (inverted commas) key,
similar to the single quote for changing voices, but in 20 years of using
Finale I've never been able to make this work.  Does it work for anybody or
is it just me?

I wonder if it could it be something to do with the differences between US
and UK keyboard layouts.  I've tried every key on my UK keyboard but maybe
the keyboard mapping doesn't include this character.  Can I enter a Unicode
or ASCII code? 

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Re: [Finale] Navigating layers in Speedy Entry

[Lee Actor]

Are you sure?  For me Shift-arrow up/down in Speedy has always moved the
entry window to another staff.

-Lee

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Mike Cholewa
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 1:02 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Navigating layers in Speedy Entry

In speedy you can use shift-arrow up/down for changing layers. 
Mike

Den 03/05/2012 kl. 09.37 skrev Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net:

 In Windows, the shortcut keys for switching layers are Alt-Shift-n, 
 where n is a number from 1 to 4.  Not sure about Mac.
 
 
 Lee Actor
 Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic 
 http://www.leeactor.com
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On 
 Behalf Of Peter Taylor
 Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:15 AM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: [Finale] Navigating layers in Speedy Entry
 
 Can anyone kindly explain for me how I can navigate layers in Speedy 
 Entry without having to take my hand off the number pad and grab the 
 mouse?  The manual says the keyboard shortcut is the double quote 
 (inverted commas) key, similar to the single quote for changing 
 voices, but in 20 years of using Finale I've never been able to make 
 this work.  Does it work for anybody or is it just me?
 
 I wonder if it could it be something to do with the differences 
 between US and UK keyboard layouts.  I've tried every key on my UK 
 keyboard but maybe the keyboard mapping doesn't include this 
 character.  Can I enter a Unicode or ASCII code?
 
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Re: [Finale] Navigating layers in Speedy Entry

[Lee Actor]

Brilliant!  I can't believe I never noticed this shortcut before.  Much
better than the alternative!

-Lee

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Frank Prain
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:28 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Navigating layers in Speedy Entry

What works for me is Shift-' - this cycles me through all layers. (Windows
Finale 2012)

Frank



On 3 May 2012 18:33, Lawrence Yates yateslawre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Using shift and the up/down arrows I can only make it change staves, 
 not layers.

 Cheers,

 Lawrence

 On 3 May 2012 08:59, Michael Greensill m...@mikegreensill.com wrote:

   I use shift with the up and down arrows.
 
  Mike G.
 
  --
 Lawrenceyates.co.uk
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[Finale] Fin2012a comments and questions

[Lee Actor]

For years I've been using Fin2004a (Win) on a daily basis, and have
developed a comfortable and efficient set of procedures for working on
(mostly) large orchestral scores.  Circumstances have led me to upgrade to
Fin2012a (+ GPO 4) on a Win7 machine, and after spending considerable time
going through the documentation and testing most of the new features, I'm
still wondering about a few details in my attempt to establish a new and
efficient working method.  I'm hoping to glean a few nuggets from some of
the experienced voices on this list.

First, I must say that I'm impressed at the number of improvements and
refinements in Finale over the past 8 years.  No more need for 2 of every
articulation, one for note side and one for stem side (and the tedious
editing of same when extracting parts).  An entire level of complexity
(staff optimization) has been removed from score layout.  Self-adjusting
rehearsal letters.  Human Playback seems to work pretty well for the most
part, esp. with Garritan instruments.  The virtualization of instruments
via ScoreManager looks to be a big plus.

Which brings me to linked parts.  With the improvements made over the last
few years, the current implementation seems robust and well designed, but
still not flexible enough for my needs.  The first problem is how to handle
multi-part staves (typical for winds in an orchestral score).  The Edit
Voicing option in Manage Parts doesn't work for any but the most simple
parts.  Adding cues that appear in the part and not the score would need a
massive kludge and is impractical.  I also like a different scaling factor
for music spacing in parts than for the score, which looks impossible.

My thought for producing parts was to adapt my previous procedure: make a
copy of the final score just for parts, use TGTools for smart explosion of
multi-part staves, and then use linked parts instead of extracting them.
Howerver, I've found that TGTools Smart Explosion often gets hung up when
running on Fin2012a (it also occasionally hangs on Fin2004a in Win7, so it
may have something to do with the 64-bit OS).  I suppose I could manually
create new staves, copy the multi-part staff to each, run TGTools Process
Extracted Parts on each new staff (the version that comes with Fin2012, not
the older full TGTools, which also hangs up), then manually clean up the
resulting parts (Smart Explosion has more smarts than Process Extracted
Parts).  Since text blocks can't be placed on different pages in score and
(linked) parts, I suppose movement titles would have to be expressions,
which can't be automatically centered.  There must be other issues I'm not
anticipating, and I guess it's possible I might end up extracting parts the
old-fashioned way.  I'd love to hear other opinions about best practice
methods of handling parts in large ensemble scores.

I've always used external MIDI devices for playback, and gotten quite expert
at both using the Finale MIDI tool, and finding workarounds for its
limitations, but I'm going to go 21st century and use software samples (GPO)
and Human Playback, which I always had turned off previously.  I sure would
like to know a little more about the details of HP; e.g., exactly how short
does a note have to be to trigger staccato samples for strings?  And I may
be missing something, but I don't see a way to add terms to the HP
Dictionary (e.g., norm. instead of normale), though there is a kludge
using hidden expressions.  Based on some experimentation, my current
thinking is that in order to get finer control over playback, HP needs some
help by incorporating manually added MIDI data.  If reasonably realistic
playback is important to you, I'd like to hear what your approach is using
GPO and HP.

Finally, I know that engraver triplets have been around for a while, but I'm
having a hard time discerning what advantages they offer.  Actually, I'm
really not sure what they are.  And does anyone have an alternative to
TGTools Modify-Shift-Accidentals, which crashes on my system?  The default
accidental placement in chords is quite unattractive to my eye, and I dread
the thought of having to manually shift all of them.

Thanks in advance for anyone spending the time to offer advice and/or info.

-Lee

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Re: [Finale] Fin2012a comments and questions

[Lee Actor]

I do have the most recent TGTools, v2.61, unless there's been an update in
the past 2 years I don't know about.  I find that using Smart Explosion,
even a short selection onto pre-existing staves, is very prone to crashing.
So do you handle parts from multi-part staves essentially manually?

Could you elaborate a little on using Page Titles?  Are we talking about any
page that contains text?  I don't find using the plug-in particularly
intuitive, so a hint or two would be most appreciated.  Thanks!

-Lee

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From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of
Robert Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:46 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Fin2012a comments and questions

1. I still keep a separate file for parts, but instead of a different file
per part, it is a single file for all parts. This has tremendous advantages
over different files, although it is admittedly not the Holy Grail. Other
people insist on the Holy Grail of a single file, but if they have exacting
engraving requirements it probably costs them more time than maintaining two
files, unless they do *lots* of revisions after completing the score.
You should go ahead and create the parts in your score file, before you've
copied it, because you can move around elements in the score while leaving
them in their default positions in the part (or vice versa) before you
actually make a copy for parts.

2. Make sure you have the latest TGTools. I don't have the same level of
problems crashing as you are reporting. However, I have admittedly never
used Smart Extraction as shoot and forget. I always select the passages I
want and I always create all the staves for all parts before ever beginning
the piece, whether they are used in the score or not. I would not let
TGTools create staves, esp. in Fin12.

3. A huge negative of the Score Manager is the inability to separate
transposition from instrument. I don't know if this is an issue for you,
though. Another is the inability to easily see and control exactly where
doubling instruments start and stop, esp. if it is an upgraded file.

4. I use Page Titles for movement titles, and duplicate them on different
pages (hiding or showing as needed) for different parts. You will find the
new version of my Page Title Copy plugin to be a *huge* help for this,
because it automatically does all the hiding and showing. You may find that
expressions work better for you, but with my plugin, page titles are pretty
easy.

5. I also find Engraver tuplets to be useless and confusing. My Tuplet Mover
plugin will not auto-position them, so I stick with 20th century tuplets
even now.

6. Someone else will have to comment about HP.

RP
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Review

[Lee Actor]

Thanks, the latest info on the TGTools website claims compatibility only up
to Finale 2010, which put a doubt in my mind.  OTOH, the website hasn't been
updated in almost 2 years.

-Lee

 -Original Message-
 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu]On Behalf
 Of Chuck Israels
 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 6:21 PM
 To: finale@shsu.edu
 Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Review


 I am using TG Tools successfully with Finale 2012.  You must
 remember to make a copy of your TG Tools pkg file (in your
 plugins folder  Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale
 2011/Plug-ins and move it to the same location in the Finale 2012
 Application Support folder.  I think you also need to remove the
 text copy from you copy, but I'm not sure.  Anyway, be
 reassured, it works.

 Chuck





 On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Lee Actor wrote:

  Thanks for this, Jari.  Does anyone know if Fin2012 is compatible with
  TGTools?  Several of those plug-ins are absolutely critical to
 my workflow.
  For several reasons, I'm still on Fin2004; I'm considering
 upgrading, but
  only if I can still use TGTools.  Any info on this yet?  Any
 idea whether
  Tobias is no longer supporting his software?
 
  -Lee
 
  Lee Actor
  Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic
  http://www.leeactor.com
 
 
 
  Hello!
 
  My Finale 2012 Review (with some tips) is now available on the Finale
  Tips site:
  www.finaletips.nu
 
  Let me know if you spot any errors regarding words, spelling,
  information, etc.
 
 
  Best regards,
 
  Jari Williamsson
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2012 Review

[Lee Actor]

Thanks for this, Jari.  Does anyone know if Fin2012 is compatible with
TGTools?  Several of those plug-ins are absolutely critical to my workflow.
For several reasons, I'm still on Fin2004; I'm considering upgrading, but
only if I can still use TGTools.  Any info on this yet?  Any idea whether
Tobias is no longer supporting his software?

-Lee

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Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic
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 Hello!

 My Finale 2012 Review (with some tips) is now available on the Finale
 Tips site:
 www.finaletips.nu

 Let me know if you spot any errors regarding words, spelling,
 information, etc.


 Best regards,

 Jari Williamsson


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RE: [Finale] OT: Violin pizz range

[Lee Actor]

Pizz on that B harmonic is nearly inaudible even to the violinist, so I
would definitely file that idea under impractical.  You can write the
normal pizz on the high B, and assuming you have an entire violin section
playing forte, you will get something.  It's hard to say how effective it
will be without knowing the context, but I can't personally imagine a
circumstance where asking for that pizz would be a superior solution
compared to a number of alternatives.

-Lee

 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu]On Behalf
 Of Robert Patterson

 What about as a harmonic pizz? (That b is a natural harmonic of the e
 string.)

 On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

  I'll also add that violinists (of which I am one) generally
 dislike playing
  pizz high up on the E string.  Not only doesn't it sound good (zero
  resonance, and hard to even tell what the pitch is), but it's physically
  somewhat uncomfortable as well.  Plucking a very taut, thin metal string
  hurts!
 
  -Lee
 
   From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu
 [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu]On Behalf
   Of Robert Patterson
  
   Yeah, I found a (single) example in Bartok Music for String Perc
   Celeste of
   a C above that, but it is also doubled an octave lower (in the
   context of a
   full string section pizz chord).
  
   I would love to find others.
  
   R
  
   On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net
  wrote:
  
Ravel's Tzigane has 2 high A pizzes in the 1st violin part
   around rehearsal
5.  They're both doubled an octave lower; I doubt you could
   even hear the
pitch otherwise.
   
Lee Actor
Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto
 Philharmonic
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 I'm curious to know if the collected wisdom of this list knows of
examples
 in orchestral rep. of violin pizz. notes of b''' (5 leger line-b)
 or higher.
 Obviously, the closer to standard rep., the more likely I am
   to have the
 score and/or recording.

 I have googled references to Berlioz having written a'''. This
 seems like a
 question that Gardner Read's excellent Thesaurus of
   Orchestral Devices
 might answer, but it doesn't specifically address the question.
   
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RE: [Finale] OT: Violin pizz range

[Lee Actor]

Ravel's Tzigane has 2 high A pizzes in the 1st violin part around rehearsal
5.  They're both doubled an octave lower; I doubt you could even hear the
pitch otherwise.

Lee Actor
Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic
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 I'm curious to know if the collected wisdom of this list knows of examples
 in orchestral rep. of violin pizz. notes of b''' (5 leger line-b)
 or higher.
 Obviously, the closer to standard rep., the more likely I am to have the
 score and/or recording.

 I have googled references to Berlioz having written a'''. This
 seems like a
 question that Gardner Read's excellent Thesaurus of Orchestral Devices
 might answer, but it doesn't specifically address the question.

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RE: [Finale] OT: Violin pizz range

[Lee Actor]

I'll also add that violinists (of which I am one) generally dislike playing
pizz high up on the E string.  Not only doesn't it sound good (zero
resonance, and hard to even tell what the pitch is), but it's physically
somewhat uncomfortable as well.  Plucking a very taut, thin metal string
hurts!

-Lee

 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu]On Behalf
 Of Robert Patterson

 Yeah, I found a (single) example in Bartok Music for String Perc
 Celeste of
 a C above that, but it is also doubled an octave lower (in the
 context of a
 full string section pizz chord).

 I would love to find others.

 R

 On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote:

  Ravel's Tzigane has 2 high A pizzes in the 1st violin part
 around rehearsal
  5.  They're both doubled an octave lower; I doubt you could
 even hear the
  pitch otherwise.
 
  Lee Actor
  Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic
  http://www.leeactor.com
 
 
   I'm curious to know if the collected wisdom of this list knows of
  examples
   in orchestral rep. of violin pizz. notes of b''' (5 leger line-b)
   or higher.
   Obviously, the closer to standard rep., the more likely I am
 to have the
   score and/or recording.
  
   I have googled references to Berlioz having written a'''. This
   seems like a
   question that Gardner Read's excellent Thesaurus of
 Orchestral Devices
   might answer, but it doesn't specifically address the question.
 
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RE: [Finale]Check range

[Lee Actor]

Are there specific instruments you're worried about?

-Lee

 From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu]On Behalf
 Of timothy.price
 Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:22 PM
 
 When we use check range when writing for a competent community 
 orchestra, is there any problem with setting the
 parameter to advanced for all instruments ?
 
 thanks,
 
 tim
 
 
 
 On May 13, 2011, at 7:09 PM, John Howell wrote:
 
  At 2:53 PM -0700 5/13/11, Mark D Lew wrote:
  
  Mahler writes the chorus down to Bb2 in his Symphony #2 (the 
 basses are divisi, with the others on the next octave up).
  
  I didn't know that, but he and Strauss also wrote some piccolo 
 parts down to low C and flute parts down to low Bb.  The key, I 
 think, is that he DID know who he was writing for, and knew that 
 it would be sung, just as he knew that some flutemaker in Vienna 
 was experimenting with extra-low flutes and piccolos and that his 
 flute players could get them.
  
  You write for what's available.  It's that simple.  Every time 
 Broadwood shipped a new piano with an extended range to 
 Beethoven, he started using the extra high and low notes 
 immediately.  The difference with Stravinsky is that I'm not sure 
 he could have known in advance that the extremes he wrote COULD 
 be played.  Josquin (or Pierre de la Rue) also wrote the bass 
 down to a low Bb at the end of , but again we don't know 
 what pitch standard he was writing for.  I assume that Mahler was 
 writing for somewhere around 435 to 450, if not necessarily 440.
  
  John
  
  
  -- 
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  Virginia Tech Department of Music
  College of Liberal Arts  Human Sciences
  Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
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  We never play anything the same way once.  Shelly Manne's definition
  of jazz musicians.
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RE: [Finale] Violin fingerings

[Lee Actor]

Almost always above, regardless of stem direction, and above tuplet numbers
and brackets.  The only case I can think of where a fingering would go below
is in a divisi orchestral part with 2 voices on one staff, stems up and
stems down.

But as both a violinist with a lot of experience, and as a composer who has
written a lot of string music (including a violin concerto), I would urge
you to resist adding fingerings under any but very exceptional
circumstances, such as a technical etude, or a tricky special fingering as
written by an expert string player.  Otherwise a fingering is less likely to
help than to be an annoyance.  And guaranteed to be ignored even more than
bowings.

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 Hi all,

 Do you know the exact placement of single note fingerings:
 always placed above the notes or depending stems direction (like
 articulations)?

 In case of up stems tuplet, is it allowed to place fingerings :
 - below the notes;
 - above the notes with tuplet number and bracket below?

 Thanks!

 Pierre

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