I have to agree. It's wrong to force a company to comply with the ADA to
make their games accessible.
You can make suggestions on how they can improve their games, but do not
think that using force will help your cause. It will only hurt, and it will
make the rest of us look bad.
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to be honest, I can't see any effort to force a company to do anything will
be too successful anyway, from personal experience (some of it rather
nasty), accessibility is a matter of compromise on both sides.
and obviously, as someone who's at least played almost every game in the
audio gaming
Yep, Technoshock was quite difficult for me to manage, too. In fact, I
didn't quite complete even the first store and it didn't entertain me enough
to want to proceed.
But TH and SOD that you mentioned are something different. To me, they were
entertaining enough to give me motivation, even
You have to pick up the site on level one first.
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They just won't be games where you can save, unless the project gets more
funding and they're able to build that feature into the program.
Bryan and Jennie
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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007
You can't force accessibility, for the reasons mentioned by Che and because
accessible is a subjective term. What is accessible to you may not be
accessible others. I make games for blind and partially sighted people but
they won't work with a Braille display so people who are Deaf-Blind can't
If they put a paypal button on their website I'l gladly donate all that I
can.
Josh
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 7:58 AM
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what about maze craze?
i actually love that game! plus, you can make your own mazes!
absolutely free!
www.danzgames.com!
regards,
aaron
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i have to agree with liam and che on this one. make suggestions, tell
themwhy you want it accessible, but do not, and i repeat, do *not*, use
force.
regards,
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anyone coming tonight?
if no one responds, i will not be on. i went on last time and i was bitterly
disappointed. it was really only me.
regards,
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And I have got the yellow key and am trying to get to the door that is two
meters from the pit. When I press enter it doesn't work and when I jump I
fall. What should I do?
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i'll be there.. i have some questions, on which i can't get answered on
here. so i guess that's where i'll be tonight
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:14 AM
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Where can I read or listen to a Top Speed review without Internet Explorer
telling me that the page cannot be found?
Thanks
Allen
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] toop speed review
Where can I read or listen to a Top Speed review
Funding from us isn't what's going to determine whether or not AGM is
further developed. It's the foundation itself. All we really need to do is
produce enough quality games and give them enough positive feedback that
they can take it to the big bugs, say that this is what the consumers
Dear Thomas. How is your screen reader project coming along? I think some
time back, you menshened that you were creating a screen reader that would
replace the expensive ones.
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Where can I find this chat? And is it easy to join?
Best regards Søren.
Mail MSN:
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Webside:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk
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From: kerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject:
Yes, that's exactly what we need! We haven't got a lot of news on AGM, by
the way, other than that we're still waiting for the software to come in and
that one programmer is still busy (re)programming a few parts.
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There is also one that I did on www.blindcooltech.com
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:13 PM
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You can find it at
www.for-the-people .com.
You need to sign up first to get into the chat, and it is voice chat, so you
need a microphone. You can text chat, but it is discurraged, and it bother's
the people who are talking via voice.
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Yeah, and what about the tutorial you promised on writing an Asteroids game?
Sky, there are some free screenreaders out there already. One that got a
pretty good review recently was Thunder, which you can download at
http://www.screenreader.net/index.php?section=Thunder. It's not just for XP
and
Hi,
To follow up on Bryan's post:
In two weeks time Sander and I (of AudioGames.net) are off to San Francisco
again to visit the Game Developers Conference 2007. Please see my schedule
to know what I'll be doing there:
https://www.cmpevents.com/GD07/a.asp?option=GV=3id=438531
Last year
go to
http://for-the-people.com
once you get to that page? look for the join link hope that helps
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:53 AM
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You know, there are a few blind people who have never heard of accessible
games. They just play mainstream games, and I think that if the developers
were to make there games accessible, then a lot more blind people would jump
at the chance to play them, me being one of them.
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i will be their
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 2:28 PM
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i'll be there.. i have some questions, on which i can't get answered on
here. so i
I am in story 5 and I have got the yellow key and am trying to get to the door
that is two
meters from the pit. When I press enter it doesn't work and when I jump I
fall. What should I do?
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Hi.
You are welcome to use the story I submitted to Audiogames.net once again,
and please let me know if you need anymore information or another copy of
the story.
All the best,
Dark.
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This is certainly something I'd be glad to help with as well, when the time
comes.
It's sort of a win win situation, the community gets more games to play,
those of us who can't program get to make games, and richard and co get
funding to improve matters with the Agm. I think that with all the
But it goes back to convincing devs to make their games accessible, since
they're not just going to do it. We'd have to find out just how many blind
gamers there are out there, how many of them would play games that
mainstream devs made accessible (and probably a whole lot of other
Well, hope all goes well. My girlfriend is looking forward to experimenting
with AGM almost more than I am. This is real cool considering she isn't
blind or visually impaired. No doubt she and I'll produce some cool titles
when it comes out and hopefully we'l present enough statistics so you
You know, there are a few blind people who have never heard of accessible
games.
My point exactly. If you increase awareness you'll increase the size of the
market and once you've got thousands of people buying games and not just a
few dozen, larger developers will start to take notice.
Hi Damien,
Keep in mind as you play some of those games learning the layout of the
game level is all part of the fun and challenge of the game. It is not
possible to learn the entire layout in a day, but over time it will
come. What seams daunting now will become a distant memory in a couple
myself I got trhough story1 ok.
But after that with all the fireballs, pits, etc I could barely navigate the
place, if I mannaged to find the source of the balls and go through even
without dammage I could almost never go back.
At 08:07 a.m. 18/02/2007, you wrote:
ok. thanks for that. how did
Hi all,
Sorry, I am very late to this party, but you really must understand
there is no way we can force developers much less game companies like
activision, Nintendo, Sega, Microsoft Game Studios, to do anything.
Especially, since we are a minority group with very little cash
potential. In
I get asked the same questions, and what you said is right on. The fact is
is that our market just isn't big enough. I few years ago I was on the
phone with a korg representative and we were discussing my korg x5. I
pointed out that it would be great if there was some sort of module that
so if we can't get the developers to make their games accessible, why not
rip the audio from the mainstream games and make our own accessible versions
with audio game maker?
Josh
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Hi Che,
Exactly, my point as well. Not only do we not have the numbers to force
the issue we are also sometimes asking the impossible from a programming
standpoint.
Sometimes these games are 3D not just in graphics and sound, but in fact
the entire levels are 3D.
I'd like to hold up the AQ,
Hi Bryan,
Right. Not only that games aren't as easy to adapt as other forms of
media such as telivision and books. Books is an easy thing to adapt as
all you need is a reader to read it, record it, and put it on tape, cd,
or other audio medium. TV shows is the same. The technology is there for
Hi guys,
Give me a bit of a break. I've been busy seven days a week with Monty
and Raceway on top of it, and very little time to do tutorials screen
readers, and any other project.
As for Thunder I don't think it was very good, but then again I have
more professional needs than just email and
Hi Damien,
For the past six months or so I have been practically working around the
clock non-stop on something so haven't had much time to play new games
such as TS.
All I can say is the GMA games or games built with the GMA engine like
Packman, Sarah, and SOD are complex at first, but the
because that's copyright infringement
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Forcing accessibility
so if we can't get the developers to make their games
Actually thomas,I find I enjoy some game types in audio more than their main
stream counterparts because! of the learning factor.
Take Dynaman for example. I've never particularly enjoyed pckman style main
stream games, - I don't know why, they just don't appeal to me, maybe
it's the lack
Hi Josh,
Sigh It is simply because the companies have legal copyrights over the
media, (graphics story and sounds,) of the games they create. Using
that media content could, (I repete could,) land a accessible game
developer in hot water because steeling or using copyrighted game
content
Hi,
Well, then you will probably really love Monty. As I mentioned in
another post today for accessible reasons I had to change sometimes in
the game for accessibility sake.
However, as a side result some things have become trickier like some
gems to get. If you are not exactly at the right
Hi thom interesting stuff.
I have similar troubles with the numbers of young blind people when trying
to promote the cause of recording more Sf or Fantasy books, sinse here in
the Uk, there is no government funding to make books accessible and it's
left up to charities, who have limited
but you already tried getting ahold of companies to ask them for permission
and they seemed not to care. didn't you?
Josh
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:43 PM
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but only blind people would be playing the games. And if you don't make
money off it and give the original developers credit in the accessible games
how could it still be copyright infringement?
Josh
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I agree with what has been said here. Its also the cost. Major games
companies would have to spend a fair bit on making games accessible. It
won't ever happen if it does then I'll be surprised.
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As far as legal issues go, I do believe there is some mileage to campeign
for changes here, sinse some laws are clearly and simply unfair.
For instance, one charity which reccords audio books here in the Uk has to
borrow books directly from their public library. while their local library
will
I got just the same troubles. I'm always getting lost in passages and
directions.
I decided that I don't like that kind of strategy games, and I stopped
playing them. (I enjoyed TechnoShock though.)
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not really, especially in sod, there is a way to place markers, and if you
hit the v key it'll tell you if you've been there or not.
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Well, there are lots of reasons I'm looking forward to Monti, i'll just add
that one to the list ;D.
2D exploration platformers are probably my favourite game genre, and I've
been really looking forward to seeing how this translates into Audio.
As far as I'm concerned, you've already sold one
I think it would be a very great improvement of Technoshock when there is a
training mode. Not the same as in SOD, just a normal game, but without loss
of health.
My only problem in Technoshock is my health (which is quite low all the
time).
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Hi gang. I wanted to let you know what is going on with me of late.
First, I want to apologize for not getting to held messages right away.
These last couple of days have been rather busy due to getting ready for
my family's move and working during the day.
As you may or may not know, me and
I can say that, from all the descriptions I have read, and from the articles
I have read about the popularity of Montezuma's Revenge, and from the trial
files that have been made available to blind gamers both from Thomas Ward
and James North, without a doubt in my mind, I love to play Monty!
I've been trying to email my boxing game setup.exe file to a few people but
each message has come back to me saying the message was undeliverable.
Is there a way I can send this 23 mb file?
Thanks
Allen
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How about if 6 people, one at a time, borrow the book, record a section of
it, then the sections are spliced? If you borrow the book, return it in
time, then I do the same thing, the recording time is expanded by two times.
A third person does the same, and the fourth, and so on. Also, is
Because you're copying someone else's work?
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but only blind people would be playing the games. And if
You can send it through
www.yousendit.com
HTH
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] sending large file
I've been trying to email my boxing game setup.exe file to a few
you can also use www.mediafire.com or www.sendspace.com .
Josh
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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] sending large file
Hi Allan.
You can send your
Certainly not through email. This is what ftp can be used for. If you
have access to an ftp server, upload it there and have others download
it from there. ftp stands for file transfer protocol so that is what
it's specifically designed for.
Then again, I'm the old school sort of guy who loves
Because you're using someone else's audio. The only thing that might keep
the dev from going after you, as Thomas has said in other similar topics,is
the risk to their reputation. If, let's say Capcom, went after a blind guy
for developing an accessible Mega Man game using their audio, chances
That doesn't matter. It's still illegal and you do it at your own risk.
Yeah, it bites, but we didn't make the laws. We just have to abide by 'em.
Take Phil and his Sarah game. He could, could being the key word there, find
himself in hot water both from the creators of Labyrinth and Warner
shoot the switch!
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Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:34 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Tecno Shock
I am in story 5 and I have got the yellow key and am trying to get to the
door that is two
meters from the
I just wandered if we are doing it all wrong.
What about this approach.
Instead of companies writing or making their games accessible, what about those
that can writing interface modifications for them.
I wander if all the company that does the game needs to give the rights to the
devs to mod
To whom it may concern,
I am writing to explain my earlier note that was published in this forum.
We are not looking to force anyone into doing things we would like to change
the programming but if it is not possible we believe that packaging should
state clearly that it will not access the proper
Hi Josh,
Honestly allot of it comes down to how the end user license agreement,
(ula,) is written. I've seen some on one extreme that states clearly go
ahead and do what you want to the other extreme which says any use of
characters, sounds, graphics, for free or commercial use is absolutely
Hi Josh,
Quote
how could it still be copyright infringement?
End quote
Short answer anytime you do anything that is outside of the end user
license agreement that the company has not signed off on or agreed to is
copyright infringement.
It doesn't matter if you gave it away for free or not to
Hi Josh,
Yes, I did, and we ended up not talking about accessible games but
market potential and money. Which was all they cared about. The Lucas
Licenseing department isn't there to discuss weather all their products
should be accessible, but just a bunch of lawyers trying to get the best
Hi Bryan,
Right. I am sure any accessible dev could bring such a case to USA
Today, New York Times, or any other major publication in hopes of
getting comunity support. It could create a fire storm, a mud slinging
contest, but in the end bottom line there could be a number that will
say, sorry
Hi Shaun,
The problem is the accessibility has to come from the game's core
commonly called the engine. If a game engine supports only stereo than
there is absolutely no way to add something like 3D audio without having
the original source code for the game. If an engine does not have SAPI
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