PMC membership : I fear additional responsibility

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
with, and I assume that he isn't the only one... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
door is open, you don't have to knock when you come in. public_pestering type=obligatory Can we have TRACE as a supported level? /public_pestering At 07:23 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 19, 2003, at 3:33 PM, Costin Manolache wrote: Ted Husted : [SNIP] I agreed w/ every

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 20, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Santiago Gala wrote: El sábado, 20 dici, 2003, a las 14:00 Europe/Madrid, Geir Magnusson Jr. escribió: On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote: (...) A very subtle concept is that the ASF doesn't actually own the codebase. The codebase belongs to its

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
leaving jakarta not wanting their own website. geir --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
codebases and projects, the protection of the ASF. -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with everything espoused in the above email. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 17, 2003, at 11:01 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Yep. Do that. Every committer should want to be part of the PMC. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
, Tagish - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
. The ironic thing is that the upshot of what we are discussing is how to make governance of Jakarta as inclusive as possible :) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PMC mailing list (Re: Just in case you're curious)

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
. This is a subject we'll be discussing more on the general@ list, and I urge you to pay attention, participate and decide if this is something you wish to volunteer for. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
how it is going to approach the problem, especially since it's clear that we want to bring this to general@ ASAP. Ignoring this is convenient to support a position characterizing Jakarta as not open, but ignores the facts of the matter, IMO. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
. This is nothing I would encourage. There's really no question that it's legal. But it does then make Jakarta a website, rather than a community, IMO. I'd rather see the community. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
to join Jakarta again. Same for xerces-J, xalan-J etc. I'm -1 to this, but it's not a -1-able thing. Projects are free to apply for top level status if they want. -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Volunteering for PMC membership

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
. I say we take him! geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
things through isn't either. But sometimes it must be done. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
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Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 5:39 PM, Dirk Verbeeck wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-16 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
provided that it addressed 1 + 2. promotion to sub-project status satisfies 2 and having henning and other turbineers volunteer to provide oversight satisfies 1. If you solve 1, then 2 can be demonstrated. No need to do anything but ensure PMC oversight. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Karma for Jakarta main web site

2003-12-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
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Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-11-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
to be decided on the pmc list. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-11-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Nov 30, 2003, at 9:57 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: What do the turbine people want? If we presume the existance of 'turbine people', then that would be a good indication that the right thing to do would be to leave JCS within turbine, and encourage turbine to be promoted

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I think that this is the right list, very few people are intrested about the incubator. This is about ASF reputation. (It is also about the OSS reputation, including BSD, Linux, CodeHus, etc.) Due

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
(and I call on Greg Stein to stay put...) On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Oh! resign. I thought you wanted him to use Resin rather than Tomcat. geir On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: http://theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
. Ethics! No need to go find montivation that got us here, let's just go back to before Geroniomo. Time in Las Vegas can be better spent. No need to play games. .V Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: (and I call on Greg Stein to stay put...) .V

Re: velocity name conflict

2003-07-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: velocity name conflict

2003-07-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 05:35 AM, Henri Gomez wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. a écrit : On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 04:41 AM, Henri Gomez wrote: Hi to all, May be some of you knows there is a projet on Sourceforge, named velocity, which is a file manager for the GNOME 2 Desktop environment

Re: mail2.html - mail.html

2003-07-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html#tomcat) Any thoughts? I think the motivation is to force people to read the first page before they get to the second. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434

Re: mail2.html - mail.html

2003-07-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: mail2.html - mail.html

2003-07-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
is some good prelim info for our community. It's not much of a burden on people, as once you've done it, you just know to skip to bottom and go to the mail for new lists... geir On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:33:20 -0400 Geir Magnusson Jr

Read brian's article on salon...

2003-07-08 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/07/08/ outsourcing_save_the_world/index.html -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 203-247-1713(m

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons EL 1.0 Released

2003-06-25 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 25/6/03 2:49 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Someone cares to explain the difference between JEXL and this one? Jexl is my own concoction to do what

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons EL 1.0 Released

2003-06-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
- --- Buffoon! I think you really dropped the ball. There's an obvious refactoring : --- - SuperXMailer - = - Other stuff - --- geir P.S. Watch out, I'm after your job -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Sun and the JCP 2.5

2003-04-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Sun and the JCP 2.5

2003-04-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
allows Sun to participate. It gets even less traffic. How you can prove a negative (i.e., that you had access to such information but never actually took advantage of it), is beyond me. What should we call this proposed list? jcp-open? jabberwocky? soundofsilence? -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
been a failure :-( _MY_ failure... Well - it's always easy to look back and see what you could have done differently. Is it too late? geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 03:08 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 18/3/03 11:33 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 10:02 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 17/3/03 1:24 Hans Bergsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that there's been problem with the Servlet EG

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-16 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 02:53 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 12/3/03 6:53 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 10:58 PM, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: As it turns out, there is substantial room for innovation and debate in the implementation of API specs

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-13 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
with Sun's lawyers? Just don't return their calls. I was being flip, I guess. I want to make something clear - I don't advocate violating anyone's copyright or intellectual property claims, nor do I think you do. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 03:05 AM, Santiago Gala wrote: Previously: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Lets talk about what a great thing the portlet specification committee has done for the Jetspeed project. Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Yes, lets do that. (That's 1 out of 200 or so, so while

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
it was because he felt his model was a good one to standardize around. But you have to ask him... geir -Andy geir - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
laughing at Ra. OpenSource is the standard. Go for it. -Andy Thanks for the informative history, BTW. geir - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
at a few more before generalizing.) -Andy Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 06:08 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Note that Sun's JCP NDA agreements burn the second and third completely. Utter nonsense. Are you saying that there's a dearth of innovation at apache

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
you tried to make a JSR. For example, Jason Hunter is running a JSR for JDOM. JDOM was done, and the benefits of the software clear, before he proposed the JSR geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
when only the privileged few are allowed to be involved. Take it a step further - how many internationally recognized standards processes will allow a single individual to propose, develop and deliver a standard? The JCP will... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
it be quicker just to make all active committers PMC members by default? -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Costin Manolache wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Jeffrey Dever wrote: I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to the exclusion of active committers

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable amount of time? How else would they be a committer? From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta gives out

Re: Clear the air Re: ATTN: Maven developers [was: primary distri bution location]

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
to brand themselves with version and dependency information. JJAR in commons sandbox had some of these ideas in there... But can you build this into maven rather than in parallel? -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc

Re: Clear the air

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
because not every one uses maven. Would more people use maven if you 'scratched your itch'? (I really hate that cliche', but it does apply :) I would like to see the tools and standards developed be independent of the build tool. -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto

Re: Clear the air

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
a dead-component, or aspects of it, when there are two versions of a live component in place. sigh Read what I said... -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Clear the air

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Nick Chalko wrote: *nod*. +1 on using what Maven currently has, merged with anything Ruper has learnt about being outside of Maven

Re: Proposal

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: JCP Process [Was nice ;-)]

2003-01-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Santiago Gala wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: (...) It's the compromise we/I willingly make to be able to work inside the process to help shape it the way we/I think it should be shaped. The only alternative is to try to start another standards

Re: nice

2003-01-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: nice

2003-01-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE executive committee (I am the current representative), and we have many members (and non-members) participating

Re: [PMC VOTE] Gump subproject

2002-12-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
(making it clear somewhere that it's open to all...)? The only reason I suggest this is that the interested party pops up into the active group's awareness of who's involved... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-355-2219(w) Adeptra, Inc

Re: [PMC VOTE] Gump subproject

2002-12-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Might you consider adding committers as they ask for karma, in the same way that jakarta-site2 is open to all, but we just add them as they desire to particiapate (making it clear somewhere that it's open

Re: [PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/os.xml OR Karma for jakarta-site2

2002-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
-site2 for the future -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-355-2219(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?

2002-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
Anthrax, and hides the secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or velocity running fast... Then it would be 300x JSP :) -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property

2002-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? As a 'consumer' who benefitted from the daily Gumps of the codebases here at Jakarta, +0 from me. (I have no time to help - but I think a good idea...) -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-355-2219(w) Adeptra, Inc

Re: Jakarta PMC report

2002-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL? I do. I actually like the declarative model I sometimes have trouble in that processing syntax is not orthogonal to the syntax of what you are generally

Re: Sun Is Losing Its Way

2002-12-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: velocity lovers...

2002-12-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
to get! :-) Pier Yea, let's see if we can move Jetty under Jakarta. =) Well it is faster ... ;) And trivial to embed :) -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]+1-203-355-2219 (w) Adeptra Inc. +1-203-247

Re: Developer wishes to donate project to Apache

2002-10-13 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html -jon Why not bring into Jmeter? -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]+1-203-355-2219 (w) Adeptra Inc. +1-203-247-1713 (m) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-08 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]+1-203-355-2219 (w) Adeptra Inc. +1-203-247-1713 (m) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-08 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On 10/8/02 12:13 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/7/02 9:56 PM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] on 2002/10/7 5:41 PM, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, I know Velocity fans won't like

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
!!! :P - Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing jon... geir goes to find his matches... The flamethrower's pilot went out... -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
- come see what you can do with Velocity and Struts. Even if we don't convert you to the One True Way ®(sm) :) you will at least stop comparing apples and oranges. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

2002-07-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
? :-) ASP.NET.COM.ORG -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Interesting quote....

2002-06-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
was barely used at all (95/96, I can't remember). I guess they dropped the parts from Spyglass - wasn't the first IE just a rebranded spyglass browser? -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

2002-06-06 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Great stuff! +1 How would you like us to submit articles/notes to you? On 6/5/02 9:57 AM, Rob Oxspring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jakarta Newsletter == Issue: 0 Date: May 2002 [SNIP] -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247

Re: Criteria for commit access

2002-05-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
it once. Let us keep the legend alive! :) -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/6/02 6:34 PM, Daniel Rall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's. Not sure. We can keep it as 'db' as a working name

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
a different essence of Jon very well. I'll dig it up and add it to the page. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/4/02 9:26 AM, Martin Poeschl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 5/4/02 3:41 AM, Thomas Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Geir, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 5/3/02 6:01 PM, Thomas Mahler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think db.apache.org is a great

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
amateurs :) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:08 PM On 5/4/02 10:45 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose this alternative: http://www.krysalis.org/jon/ ;-) Yep - that is the one I was going to find. I think

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
he says it. There must be a balance somewhere. And there is. Find it. geir Have fun, Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:08 PM On 5/4/02 10:45 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED

New Mail List : Proposed db/dataaccess project discussion list.

2002-05-04 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
regarding the idea, and there has been some other projects recommended that we invite for inclusion. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 3:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: So much like xml.apache.org deals with XML, db.apache.org will deal with databases (maybe even collaborate with xml.apache.org/xindice in future). So I propose that we put

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 2:02 AM, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 02 May 2002, Geir Magnusson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Costin suggested, and I supported, that a subproject of wider scope be created to allow the collection of similar technologies into one larger subcommunity. First

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 2:55 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc For future reference, can we quantify

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 6:37 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the end I think it would be best move for OJB group (much better awareness and promotion and in the end development) however it comes down to whether they want to do it and if there is enough Apache volunteers to get it going

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
to some of the non-binding guidelines we came up with in the beginning. The whole idea was to bring productizable things *out* of the subprojects... It also keeps things on an even keel, tribe-wise :) -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247-1713

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
implementations of it, remains usable outside of avalon/excalibur. Only if I want to use that particular pool implementation do I need to bundle avalaon-exaclibur with my client code. That makes perfect sense. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. Research Development, Adeptra Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-203-247

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I'll iterate : the point isn't just for it to be OJB, but to put together a package of projects that want to do this. I think the only way for it to be a strong apache community

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 12:04 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I'm also very unhappy with the xml/jakarta separation and the balkanisation of apache - as well shown by the current maven/forest/cocoon/centipede discussion, where even

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 5/3/02 1:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 3 May 2002, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: They _will_ be apache people. Of course they _will_ be apache people, but they _aren't_ now. That isn't a bad thing, a criticism or an insult. Just recognizing the reality

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