Re: [gentoo-user] MAJOR udev problem, PLEASE help

2007-06-11 Thread Trenton Adams

Yes, everything worked just fine.  It indeed switched my ethernet to a
different interface (eth1).  Not a problem.

On 6/11/07, Redouane Boumghar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello Trenton,

Ok it's been a month since this thread but...
I found myself too oftenly in front of unsolved archived threads.

Did you recompile your kernel with udev support ?

I had a similar problem with a PCMCIA ethernet card while turning my system to 
udev.
I recompiled my kernel with the same options and adding udev support and it 
worked
smoothly (even had a shorter boot time :-) )

Check Code Listing 2.2 in :
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/udev-guide.xml

#
# General setup ---
#   [*] Support for hot-pluggable devices
#
# File systems ---
#   Pseudo filesystems ---
# [*] /proc file system support
# [*] Virtual memory file system support (former shm fs)
#

Trenton Adams wrote:
 I have an ethernet controller that worked until I updated my udev to
 the latest version.


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Re: [gentoo-user] MAJOR udev problem, PLEASE help

2007-05-04 Thread Trenton Adams

Sorry for not replying earlier.  Yes, I found it to be a fireware
ethernet.  Why udev would put that first makes no sense.

I found another email on the list where someone had the same problem.

Thanks.

On 5/2/07, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, 2 May 2007 21:43:13 -0600, Trenton Adams wrote:

 I have an ethernet controller that worked until I updated my udev to
 the latest version.

 It shows up as follows from ifconfig
 eth0  Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
 00-11-D8-00-00-7D-66-26-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
   inet addr:192.168.20.2  Bcast:192.168.20.255

 I don't understand what is happening.  It sets my IP just fine, but
 the MAC address is WEIRD and there's no link.

That MAC address looks like it could be a Firewire ethernet interface.
Does ifconfig -a show your correct MAC address on another interface? If
so, it is probably your persistent net rules messing things up, but if
you don't use Firewire for ethernet, it's probably easiest to disable the
eth1394 module.


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[gentoo-user] MAJOR udev problem, PLEASE help

2007-05-02 Thread Trenton Adams

I have an ethernet controller that worked until I updated my udev to
the latest version.

00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a1)
   Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Unknown device 8141
   Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
   Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast TAbort-
TAbort- MAbort- SERR- PERR-
   Latency: 0 (250ns min, 5000ns max)
   Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
   Region 0: Memory at febd7000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
   Region 1: I/O ports at d080 [size=8]
   Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
   Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA
PME(D0+,D1+,D2+,D3hot+,D3cold+)
   Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-

It shows up as follows from ifconfig
eth0  Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
00-11-D8-00-00-7D-66-26-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
 inet addr:192.168.20.2  Bcast:192.168.20.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
 TX packets:14 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:504 (504.0 b)

I have kernel 2.6.18-r4 from gentoo-sources

I don't understand what is happening.  It sets my IP just fine, but
the MAC address is WEIRD and there's no link.  The link light is on.
I can ping my IP, but my gateway IP returns with destination host
unreachable.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Wireless network seems ok, but higher level stuff fails

2007-05-02 Thread Trenton Adams

I've been having the same problem with my ethernet device.  I found on
the net that a link status of *UNSPEC* likely means the usermode
program does not match the running kernel.  So, I figured it was
probably that I needed to upgrade my kernel, seeing that udev was
upgraded.

Unfortunately, the latest gentoo kernel doesn't appear to work with my
system out of the box.

Starting to wonder if gentoo is going to pot. :)

On 3/8/07, Paulo Roberto Candido dos Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It's me again. I found more strange things about my problem. I think
I'm getting closer:

arp -n in the Gentoo Station reports:
169.254.0.1  (incomplete)  ath0

Where 169.254.0.1 is the address of the AP.
tcpdump -vv -i ath0 arp:

20:50:21.984182 arp who-has 169.254.0.1 tell 169.254.0.3


While I'm pinging the AP, I got truncated-arp messages in the AP
tcpdump -vv ath0 arp output.

The Station machine just got two replies:
64 bytes from 169.254.0.1: icmp_seq=424 ttl=64 time=0.400 ms
64 bytes from 169.254.0.1: icmp_seq=426 ttl=64 time=2998 ms


It seems like my problem has something to do with the Signal Too
Strong http://madwifi.org/wiki/FAQ/SignalTooStrong issue. I will move
the AP to a place far from the station.

So far no one replied to this, but I will keep posting in the hope
that my attempts to make this works helps someone in the future.

On 3/8/07, Paulo Roberto Candido dos Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another thing... I've loaded the ath_pci module with debug options and
 it gave me lots of information. When I try to ping (one request with
 ping -c 1) the ap from the station it prints the following
 information in /var/log/messages:

 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule ath_tx_start: skb0 f3221680 [data f7b9ac3c len
 120] skbaddr 37b9ac3c
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule TODS
 00:19:5b:66:d8:b0-00:19:5b:66:d5:0c(00:19:5b:66:d5:0c) data QoS [TID
 0] 54M
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 88 01 2c 00 00 19 5b 66  d5 0c 00 19 5b 66 d8 b0
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 00 19 5b 66 d5 0c 50 06  00 00 d5 0c aa aa 03 00
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 00 00 08 00 45 00 00 54  00 00 40 00 40 01 e6 a8
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule a9 fe 00 03 a9 fe 00 01  08 00 27 fc cd 16 00 01
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 58 75 f0 45 c0 2d 0f 00  08 09 0a 0b 0c 0d 0e 0f
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17  18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27  28 29 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule ath_tx_start: Q1: (ds)f706ae20 (lk)
 (d)37b9ac3c (c0)4124007a (c1)06008078 8000 000db50c
 Mar  8 17:43:04 yule ath_tx_txqaddbuf: link[1] (f706adc0)=3706ae20 (f706ae20)


 On 3/8/07, Paulo Roberto Candido dos Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello list!
 
  I'm having some problems setting a wireless network consisting of a
  gentoo ap, one gentoo station and one Windows XP station.
  I've followed the instructions on the madwifi.org and on gentoo
  specialized forums and wiki. Seems like the wireless part of the
  network is just fine and every station can connect to the ap, but I
  can't do more than ping the hosts in the winxp station and the gentoo
  station connects to the network but can't do nothing... not even ping
  the ap.
  Nothing wrong with logs and signal... but it seems that all the
  network services and protocols (tcp, udp and icmp for the gentoo
  station) aren't working.
 
  The strange thing is that the Windows XP host can ping the ap, however
  it can't get a dhcp address and even using static IP can't access
  services on the AP like http and ssh. This machine can ping hosts on
  the internet but can't access tcp or udp services. Iptraf on the AP
  reports the connections.
 
  The other Gentoo workstation can scan and connect to the network but
  can't do nothing more.
 
 
  From the AP Linux Machine:
 
  /etc/conf.d/wireless:
 
  modules_ath0=( iwconfig )
  config_ath0=( 169.254.0.1/16 )
  mode_ath0=Master
  essid_ath0=skyshaper
  channel_ath0=10
  iwpriv_ath0=( mode 3 )
 
  dns_domain_skyshaper=local
  dns_servers_skyshaper=( 169.254.0.1 )
 
  dmesg relevant parts:
 
  ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
  ath_hal: 0.9.17.2 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
  ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.2.1)
  ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.2.1)
  wifi0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps
  wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps
  24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
  wifi0: turboG rates: 6Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
  wifi0: H/W encryption support: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP
  wifi0: mac 7.9 phy 4.5 radio 5.6
  wifi0: Use hw queue 1 for WME_AC_BE traffic
  wifi0: Use hw queue 0 for WME_AC_BK traffic
  wifi0: Use hw queue 2 for WME_AC_VI traffic
  wifi0: Use hw queue 3 for WME_AC_VO traffic
  wifi0: Use hw queue 8 for CAB traffic
  wifi0: Use hw queue 9 for beacons
  wifi0: Atheros 5212: mem=0xdfdc, irq=11
 
  lspci -vv relevant parts:
 
  00:0e.0 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Wireless network seems ok, but higher level stuff fails

2007-05-02 Thread Trenton Adams

Actually, go back to Feb 12 with a message called [gentoo-user]
Network problem, it worked for me.

udev may have changed your ethernet interface name.  using ifconfig
-a to check.

On 5/2/07, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've been having the same problem with my ethernet device.  I found on
the net that a link status of *UNSPEC* likely means the usermode
program does not match the running kernel.  So, I figured it was
probably that I needed to upgrade my kernel, seeing that udev was
upgraded.

Unfortunately, the latest gentoo kernel doesn't appear to work with my
system out of the box.

Starting to wonder if gentoo is going to pot. :)

On 3/8/07, Paulo Roberto Candido dos Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's me again. I found more strange things about my problem. I think
 I'm getting closer:

 arp -n in the Gentoo Station reports:
 169.254.0.1  (incomplete)  
ath0

 Where 169.254.0.1 is the address of the AP.
 tcpdump -vv -i ath0 arp:

 20:50:21.984182 arp who-has 169.254.0.1 tell 169.254.0.3


 While I'm pinging the AP, I got truncated-arp messages in the AP
 tcpdump -vv ath0 arp output.

 The Station machine just got two replies:
 64 bytes from 169.254.0.1: icmp_seq=424 ttl=64 time=0.400 ms
 64 bytes from 169.254.0.1: icmp_seq=426 ttl=64 time=2998 ms


 It seems like my problem has something to do with the Signal Too
 Strong http://madwifi.org/wiki/FAQ/SignalTooStrong issue. I will move
 the AP to a place far from the station.

 So far no one replied to this, but I will keep posting in the hope
 that my attempts to make this works helps someone in the future.

 On 3/8/07, Paulo Roberto Candido dos Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Another thing... I've loaded the ath_pci module with debug options and
  it gave me lots of information. When I try to ping (one request with
  ping -c 1) the ap from the station it prints the following
  information in /var/log/messages:
 
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule ath_tx_start: skb0 f3221680 [data f7b9ac3c len
  120] skbaddr 37b9ac3c
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule TODS
  00:19:5b:66:d8:b0-00:19:5b:66:d5:0c(00:19:5b:66:d5:0c) data QoS [TID
  0] 54M
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 88 01 2c 00 00 19 5b 66  d5 0c 00 19 5b 66 d8 b0
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 00 19 5b 66 d5 0c 50 06  00 00 d5 0c aa aa 03 00
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 00 00 08 00 45 00 00 54  00 00 40 00 40 01 e6 a8
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule a9 fe 00 03 a9 fe 00 01  08 00 27 fc cd 16 00 01
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 58 75 f0 45 c0 2d 0f 00  08 09 0a 0b 0c 0d 0e 0f
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17  18 19 1a 1b 1c 1d 1e 1f
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27  28 29 2a 2b 2c 2d 2e 2f
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule ath_tx_start: Q1: (ds)f706ae20 (lk)
  (d)37b9ac3c (c0)4124007a (c1)06008078 8000 000db50c
  Mar  8 17:43:04 yule ath_tx_txqaddbuf: link[1] (f706adc0)=3706ae20 
(f706ae20)
 
 
  On 3/8/07, Paulo Roberto Candido dos Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hello list!
  
   I'm having some problems setting a wireless network consisting of a
   gentoo ap, one gentoo station and one Windows XP station.
   I've followed the instructions on the madwifi.org and on gentoo
   specialized forums and wiki. Seems like the wireless part of the
   network is just fine and every station can connect to the ap, but I
   can't do more than ping the hosts in the winxp station and the gentoo
   station connects to the network but can't do nothing... not even ping
   the ap.
   Nothing wrong with logs and signal... but it seems that all the
   network services and protocols (tcp, udp and icmp for the gentoo
   station) aren't working.
  
   The strange thing is that the Windows XP host can ping the ap, however
   it can't get a dhcp address and even using static IP can't access
   services on the AP like http and ssh. This machine can ping hosts on
   the internet but can't access tcp or udp services. Iptraf on the AP
   reports the connections.
  
   The other Gentoo workstation can scan and connect to the network but
   can't do nothing more.
  
  
   From the AP Linux Machine:
  
   /etc/conf.d/wireless:
  
   modules_ath0=( iwconfig )
   config_ath0=( 169.254.0.1/16 )
   mode_ath0=Master
   essid_ath0=skyshaper
   channel_ath0=10
   iwpriv_ath0=( mode 3 )
  
   dns_domain_skyshaper=local
   dns_servers_skyshaper=( 169.254.0.1 )
  
   dmesg relevant parts:
  
   ath_hal: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel.
   ath_hal: 0.9.17.2 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
   ath_rate_sample: 1.2 (0.9.2.1)
   ath_pci: 0.9.4.5 (0.9.2.1)
   wifi0: 11b rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps
   wifi0: 11g rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5Mbps 11Mbps 6Mbps 9Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps
   24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
   wifi0: turboG rates: 6Mbps 12Mbps 18Mbps 24Mbps 36Mbps 48Mbps 54Mbps
   wifi0: H/W encryption support: WEP AES AES_CCM TKIP
   wifi0: mac 7.9 phy 4.5 radio 5.6
   wifi0: Use hw queue

[gentoo-user] Kernel Config Manager

2006-12-22 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

Does anyone know of a kernel config manager that manages the kernel
configuration settings that I want?  For instance, I want this network
driver, and that driver, and the other driver.

Want this to be managed outside the standard menu config because it
will make it easier to switch to a new kernel, such as xen-sources, or
vanilla-sources.  I can then keep the default settings of that
particular kernel, and enable all the *extra* stuff that I need.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mini Gentoo in VMWare

2006-11-19 Thread Trenton Adams

Your slowness could be due to not telling vmware to allocate all memory into 
physical memory, and not using a full sized disk image.  It seems like vmware 
accesses the blocks directly, when you pre-allocate.  And if the image gets 
fragmented, vmware warns you about it, so that you can ask it to defragment it. 
 But, if you're using a resizable image, then you may see some slowness.

I bench marked the disk running gentoo linux on a Dell D820 notebook, in native mode.  I 
copied that same gentoo over to a VM, and ran into in windows on the same D820 Notebook, 
and got slightly better performance results, by about 2-5 M/sec.  I used bonnie++ 
-c 5 -s 4096 -r 768 -u someone.  I haven't tried it on a dynamically re-sizable 
disk.  These results indicate to me that VMware is using direct block access, and 
bypassing the file system.  Either that, or simply keeping it un-fragmented makes a big 
difference.   
  
  
  
  
   !
  


As far as compiling slower, I've found there is a very MINOR difference between 
a real machine, and a VM.

On 11/7/06, Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I use a Gentoo VM for a lot of LAMP dev work, and I can tell you it's kind
of painful to upgrade packages with all the compiling. VMWare is slower than
normal to compile, mostly due to disk I/O. Since each HD is a big-ass file.

A few optimizations I might suggest:

Partition a dedicated physical hard drive into chunks and use VMWare's raw
disk so you have real hardware/hard disks. I'd suggest a very fast SCSI
drive for the best performance since you're running several VMs.

Also, look into the VMWare server version which uses the raw iron a bit
better as it's dedicated to running many VMs.

I find that more RAM on VMWare has a point of deminishing returns. I have a
VM that I dedicate 512MB of my 2GBs and honestly it feels slower than when I
give it 128-256MB only. It may be a WinXP thing that it's not efficiently
using the RAM right or something.

 -Original Message-
 From: Trenton Adams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:19 PM
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mini Gentoo in VMWare

 Yes, VMWare is fit for the task, simply because I would be using it on
 a windows machine.  Unless there is something better for a windows
 machine?

 Thanks for the hints.

 On 11/3/06, Harm Geerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Friday 03 November 2006 06:43, Trenton Adams wrote:
   Hi Guys,
  
   Has anyone here played with minimalizing everything for
 use in vmware?
  
   Basically what I want to do is create a series of VERY
 tiny VMs that
   are all independent of each other, which provide one service.  For
   instance, I might put apache on one VM, and tomcat on
 another, and so
   on.  Obviously, I would want their memory usage to be absolutely
   minimized, seeing that I would like to run them all on
 one computer.
   I would probably provide them 64M-128M of RAM each, for
 their specific
   service.  Perhaps a little more if really required.
  
   Is there really anything that I should worry about?
 Perhaps I should
   just DO IT?
 
  Nick[1] made a post about minimizing Gentoo a while back.
  But that topic was mainly about the disk usage.
  I suppose you would benefit from a system that uses the -Os
 flag to create
  small binairies.
 
  But do you think vmware is fit for such a task?
  vmware is a big strain on resources itself.
  You might want to have a look at xen[2] instead.
 
  [1]
 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/160899/focus=160903
  [2] http://www.xensource.com/xen/xen/index.html
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mini Gentoo in VMWare

2006-11-05 Thread Trenton Adams

Yes, VMWare is fit for the task, simply because I would be using it on
a windows machine.  Unless there is something better for a windows
machine?

Thanks for the hints.

On 11/3/06, Harm Geerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Friday 03 November 2006 06:43, Trenton Adams wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 Has anyone here played with minimalizing everything for use in vmware?

 Basically what I want to do is create a series of VERY tiny VMs that
 are all independent of each other, which provide one service.  For
 instance, I might put apache on one VM, and tomcat on another, and so
 on.  Obviously, I would want their memory usage to be absolutely
 minimized, seeing that I would like to run them all on one computer.
 I would probably provide them 64M-128M of RAM each, for their specific
 service.  Perhaps a little more if really required.

 Is there really anything that I should worry about?  Perhaps I should
 just DO IT?

Nick[1] made a post about minimizing Gentoo a while back.
But that topic was mainly about the disk usage.
I suppose you would benefit from a system that uses the -Os flag to create
small binairies.

But do you think vmware is fit for such a task?
vmware is a big strain on resources itself.
You might want to have a look at xen[2] instead.

[1] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/160899/focus=160903
[2] http://www.xensource.com/xen/xen/index.html
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[gentoo-user] Mini Gentoo in VMWare

2006-11-02 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi Guys,

Has anyone here played with minimalizing everything for use in vmware?

Basically what I want to do is create a series of VERY tiny VMs that
are all independent of each other, which provide one service.  For
instance, I might put apache on one VM, and tomcat on another, and so
on.  Obviously, I would want their memory usage to be absolutely
minimized, seeing that I would like to run them all on one computer.
I would probably provide them 64M-128M of RAM each, for their specific
service.  Perhaps a little more if really required.

Is there really anything that I should worry about?  Perhaps I should
just DO IT?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update vs dispatch-conf

2006-10-14 Thread Trenton Adams

On 10/14/06, Steve Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Saturday 14 October 2006 06:21, Trenton Adams wrote:
 I use dispatch-conf all the time.  I too have never looked back.

 I use diff=vimdiff -R %s %s in /etc/dispatch-conf.conf

 NOT SURE WHAT '-R' IS now though.  Perhaps it should not be there.


-R tells vim to be read only, so you cannot edit the files. It is probably a
sensible option in this case.


Oh yes, that brings back memories.  I had forgotten that vimdiff
passes most arguments to vim.



 Then I add the following line to my .vimrc, which allows me to press
 F2 to exit the vimdiff windows in one shot.
 map F2 Esc:qCREsc:qCR


A more general version would be:

map F2 Esc:qaCR

as :qa quits all buffers, so it could be used to exit from vim with any number
of open buffers.


When I created it, I was thinking of how to quit both buffers.  Never
thought of looking for a quit *all*. :)  Thanks.



Steve
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 12:32:08 up 22 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.07, 0.08, 0.08

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Re: [gentoo-user] Compiling binaries on a different server

2006-10-13 Thread Trenton Adams

The PORTAGE_BINHOST option is quit time consuming on emerges.  But, if
you're only doing it once in awhile, in batched sets, it should be
just fine.  The reason it takes so long is that it has to do an FTP
listing of the remote host, cache that info, and then finally it'll do
the merging.

I was doing that quite a bit in times past.  But, you have to make
sure you are using the same use flags on EVERY host.  Also, I did have
issues where emerge would refuse to use a binary package, and instead
would re-build it.  I think it was due to using the --newuse
functionality, and/or the -u (update) functionality.


On 10/13/06, Timothy A. Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 13 October 2006 15:16, Timothy A. Holmes wrote:
  I was reading the thread on the lightweight gentoo system.
 This to a
  degree meshed with what a friend and I have been talking about.
  Essentially setting up a standard image for all of my
 gentoo servers,
  and stage 4ing (is that a word?) that image to the servers.
  Once they
  are in production, building updates etc in a dedicated build
  environment and simply rolling out binaries to the boxes as
 they are needed.
 
  The concept sounds really good, giving me the ability to do
  (relatively) fast updates with binaries on the production servers,
  after they have been through testing, with out tying up
 resouces, and
  (more importantly) being able to fully test them prior to
 putting them into production.
 
  If anyone has done this type of thing, or has references, links,
  pointers etc I would REALLY appreciate them.

 I haven't done any stage4 stuff so no clue about how to do
 that. I only know that it's possible. But for the rest of it
 [1] should give you a hint...

 [1]
 http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2;
chap=3#doc_chap4

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Bo:

The stage 4 stuff is quite easy and I do that routinely.  If you want
links or suggestions on how to do it I'll be glad to try to help -- its
sped up my life considerably. It was the separate build host etc stuff
that I was looking for.  That section out of the handbook looks good
--I'll start playing with it in a dev environment hopefully this weekend
-- thanks for the pointer

TIM


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: etc-update vs dispatch-conf

2006-10-13 Thread Trenton Adams

I use dispatch-conf all the time.  I too have never looked back.

I use diff=vimdiff -R %s %s in /etc/dispatch-conf.conf

NOT SURE WHAT '-R' IS now though.  Perhaps it should not be there.

Then I add the following line to my .vimrc, which allows me to press
F2 to exit the vimdiff windows in one shot.
map F2 Esc:qCREsc:qCR

The old config shows up on the left, and the new config shows up on the right.

Press Ctrl-W and the left or right arrow key to switch between window buffers.

What I usually do, if there are additions to the new config that I
want, is copy them from the right window, paste them in the left
window, and save the left window.  Then, I hit F2, then 'z' for zap,
and my old config has the new settings that it needs.

If you don't like vim, then you might not like vimdiff.

On 10/13/06, Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I much prefer dispatch-conf.  I just find it easier to use.  I find
etc-update a touch crude in the way it takes input.

On 10/13/06, Remy Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 maxim wexler wrote:
  What does the group think?

 I don't know about the group, but I use etc-update and keep all of /etc
 in a Subversion working copy. This allows quickly seeing any changes
 made on updates and emerges, reverting changes if anything breaks, and
 keeping track of the reasons for specific changes in commit log messages.

 I also use a tool to store file and directory ownership and ACLs in an
 SVN property. I believe dispatch-conf doesn't track ownership and
 permissions.

 I even thought about using a distributed VCS like git to be able to push
 changes to a group of machines for e.g. updates, but then again, I don't
 have enough installations to maintain. Has anybody done something in
 this direction?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Calendar sharing with MS outlook on gentoo

2006-10-13 Thread Trenton Adams

You could install VMWare.

On 10/13/06, bijayant kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi to all,
I want to install MS outlook on the gentoo. Can it possible
to run MS outlook on gentoo-linux. If yes then how...??? Is any extra plugin
required to do the same. My main concern is that i have to provide calendar
sharing with MS outlook on linux box to one of my client..Please help me..I
have heard about scalix, but i am not sure about it, there is one thing more
openXchange also. But i have no idea about both of them. If any one can help
me, please do sir. I will be very thankful to you all.


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Re: [gentoo-user] eselect could not source blas.eselect

2006-10-12 Thread Trenton Adams

All the directories all the way down the tree have r-x, and the files
are world readable.

On 10/11/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 12 October 2006 06:41, Trenton Adams wrote:
[SNIP]
 [22:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] trenta]# eselect
[SNIP]
 Extra modules:
   bashcomp  Manage contributed bash-completion scripts
   binutils  Manage installed versions of sys-devel/binutils
 !!! Error: Couldn't source /usr/share/eselect//modules/blas.eselect
 Call stack:
 * ec_do_list-modules (eselect:139)
 * ec_do_help (eselect:86)
 * main (eselect:193)
 exiting.
[SNIP]

Hrm.. Maybe it could be a permissions problem. What does

# ls -l /usr/share/eselect/modules

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Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild attempts to emerge old package

2006-10-12 Thread Trenton Adams

I did not know about python-updater.  Should I re-install the old
version of python again, and then run python-updater?  Right now it
complains about there not being an old version of python.

Gotta run to work for now though. :(

On 10/12/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 12 October 2006 08:30, PaulNM wrote:
  It looks like an old version of python is still on your system from
 when there was an ebuild for it. I'd suggest emerge -p --depclean to
 see if it would remove it.

emerge --depclean doesn't clean old slots. It will keep all installed versions
of python since at least portage requires it... emerge --prune will remove
old slots. It won't notice if the old slots are needed though.. (Which is
unlikely if he has run python-updater) ;) Finally if he did have python-2.3.x
installed it should show up on `equery list python`.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eselect could not source blas.eselect

2006-10-12 Thread Trenton Adams

Ahah, looks like you just found a bug Bo.


echo $(ESELECT_CORE_PATH=/usr/share/eselect/libs ;

   source ${ESELECT_CORE_PATH}/core.bash ;
   source ${ESELECT_CORE_PATH}/manip.bash ;
   set -x ;
   source /usr/share/eselect/modules/blas.eselect)

++ source /usr/share/eselect/modules/blas.eselect
+++ inherit config multilib portage
+++ local x
+++ for x in '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
+++ [[ -e /usr/share/eselect/libs/config.bash ]]
+++ source /usr/share/eselect/libs/config.bash
+++ for x in '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
+++ [[ -e /usr/share/eselect/libs/multilib.bash ]]
+++ source /usr/share/eselect/libs/multilib.bash
 ES_VALID_MULTILIB_DIRS='lib lib32 lib64'
+++ for x in '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
+++ [[ -e /usr/share/eselect/libs/portage.bash ]]
+++ source /usr/share/eselect/libs/portage.bash
+++ DESCRIPTION='Manage installed BLAS implementations'
+++ MAINTAINER='Danny van Dyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]'
+++ SVN_DATE='$Date: 2006-04-14 18:18:40 +0200 (Fri, 14 Apr 2006) $'
 svn_date_to_version '$Date: 2006-04-14 18:18:40 +0200 (Fri, 14 Apr 2006) $'
 local 's=$Date: 2006-04-14 18:18:40 +0200 (Fri, 14 Apr 2006) $'
 s='2006-04-14 18:18:40 +0200 (Fri, 14 Apr 2006) $'
 s=2006-04-14
 s=20060414
 echo 20060414
+++ VERSION=20060414
+++ BLAS_CONFIG=/var/lib/eselect/blas/blas.config
+++ BLAS_IMPLEMENTATIONS='ACML ATLAS threaded-ATLAS MKL72 reference'
+++ BLAS_PROFILES='C F77'
-bash: /usr/share/eselect/modules/blas.eselect: line 69: syntax error
near unexpected token `('
-bash: /usr/share/eselect/modules/blas.eselect: line 69: `package() {'



On 10/12/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Reordered for readability.. Please don't top post.

On Thursday 12 October 2006 16:47, Trenton Adams wrote:
   [22:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] trenta]# eselect
  [SNIP]
 
   Extra modules:
 bashcomp  Manage contributed bash-completion scripts
 binutils  Manage installed versions of
   sys-devel/binutils !!! Error: Couldn't source
   /usr/share/eselect//modules/blas.eselect Call stack:
   * ec_do_list-modules (eselect:139)
   * ec_do_help (eselect:86)
   * main (eselect:193)
   exiting.
 
  [SNIP]
 
  Hrm.. Maybe it could be a permissions problem. What does
 
  # ls -l /usr/share/eselect/modules
 
  show?

 All the directories all the way down the tree have r-x, and the files
 are world readable.

What is the output of:

# echo $(ESELECT_CORE_PATH=/usr/share/eselect/libs ;
source ${ESELECT_CORE_PATH}/core.bash ;
source ${ESELECT_CORE_PATH}/manip.bash ;
set -x ;
source /usr/share/eselect/modules/blas.eselect)

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[gentoo-user] gentoo mirro rsync policy

2006-10-12 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi Guys,

Is there a policy for the syncing of the mirrors, that would prevent
inconsistencies?  I'm not talking about inconsistencies with the
master server(s), as that would be kind of difficult to have atomic
syncing between all servers involved.  What I'm referring to is
inconsistencies in terms of me syncing with a mirror.

I can't count how many times I've had a problem, gone on a wild goose
hunt, and then ended up syncing again and it works.  Could this be due
to one of the mirrors doing a sync, while it's own rsync is still
accepting connections?  If so, then I may get a portage tree that is
not properly synced.

If each mirror's rsync is not shutdown during syncing, wouldn't it be
better if it actually was?  I think we'd rather get a connection
refused message, and have *emerge* try another mirror, than to have an
inconsistent portage state, don't we think?

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[gentoo-user] mediawiki package stability

2006-10-12 Thread Trenton Adams

Anyone know the stability of the 1.7.1 package?

FYI, I'm running amd64, which probably does not matter.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem emerging kdebase

2006-10-11 Thread Trenton Adams

I can't right now, as my logs for that don't exist, I forgot to put the 21.

Right now I'm trying to revdep-rebuild so.6.  We'll see how that goes first.

Thanks.

On 10/10/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 07:23, Trenton Adams wrote:
 Any other ideas?

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[gentoo-user] maildrop linking fails with __gxx_personality_v0

2006-10-11 Thread Trenton Adams

I remember getting this long ago for one of my programs.  It occured
when I tried to use the wrong compiler, whether it was g++ or gcc, I
can't remember.

Anyhow, this is happening with the mail-filter/maildrop-2.0.1, which
is actually installed already, but won't compile right now.  Mental
note that I was on gcc 3.4.6 until just the other day, and now I'm at
4.1.1.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks.


Compiling testmaildiraclt.c
Linking libmaildir.la
Linking deliverquota
Linking maildirkwtest
Linking testmaildirfilter
Linking maildirkw
Linking maildirmake
Linking maildiracl
Linking maildiraclttest
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `GroupStuff::GroupStuff()':
: undefined reference to `operator new[](unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `GroupStuff::GroupStuff()':
: undefined reference to `operator new[](unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `FAMClose':
: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `FAMOpen2':
: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `FAMOpen2':
: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `FAMOpen2':
: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `FAMMonitor(FAMConnection*, char
const*, FAMRequest*, void*, int)':
: undefined reference to `operator delete[](void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `FAMMonitor(FAMConnection*, char
const*, FAMRequest*, void*, int)':
: undefined reference to `operator delete[](void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `FAMMonitorCollection':
: undefined reference to `operator delete[](void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o): In function `FAMMonitorCollection':
: undefined reference to `operator delete[](void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(fam.o):(.eh_frame+0x12): undefined reference to
`__gxx_personality_v0'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function
`__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int, int)':
: undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `Client::storeEndExist(int)':
: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `Client::storeUserData(int, void*)':
: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `__tcf_0':
: undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::~Init()'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint, bool::Node::~Node()':
: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint,
bool::underflow(BTreeint, bool::Node*, unsigned int)':
: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint,
bool::underflow(BTreeint, bool::Node*, unsigned int)':
: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint, void*::Node::~Node()':
: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint,
void*::underflow(BTreeint, void*::Node*, unsigned int)':
: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o):: more undefined references to `operator
delete(void*)' follow
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint,
bool::insert(BTreeint, bool::Node*, int const, bool const)':
: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint,
bool::insert(BTreeint, bool::Node*, int const, bool const)':
: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint,
bool::insert(BTreeint, bool::Node*, int const, bool const)':
: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint,
void*::insert(BTreeint, void*::Node*, int const, void* const)':
: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o): In function `BTreeint,
void*::insert(BTreeint, void*::Node*, int const, void* const)':
: undefined reference to `operator new(unsigned int)'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o):: more undefined references to `operator
new(unsigned int)' follow
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o):(.rodata._ZTI5BTreeIibE[typeinfo for
BTreeint, bool]+0x0): undefined reference to `vtable for
__cxxabiv1::__class_type_info'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o):(.rodata._ZTI5BTreeIiPvE[typeinfo for
BTreeint, void*]+0x0): undefined reference to `vtable for
__cxxabiv1::__class_type_info'
/usr/lib/libfam.a(Client.o):(.eh_frame+0x11): undefined reference to
`__gxx_personality_v0'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [maildirkw] Error 1
make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/maildrop-2.0.1/work/maildrop-2.0.1/maildir'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/maildrop-2.0.1/work/maildrop-2.0.1/maildir'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

!!! ERROR: mail-filter/maildrop-2.0.1 failed.
Call stack:
 ebuild.sh, line 1546: 

[gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild attempts to emerge old package

2006-10-11 Thread Trenton Adams

Why does revdep-rebuild try and update packages that do not exist?  Is
this a bug, or am I missing something?

# revdep-rebuild --library libstdc++.so.5 -- -p -v 21
...
Calculating dependencies /
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy =dev-lang/python-2.3.5.


# equery list python
[ Searching for package 'python' in all categories among: ]
* installed packages
[I--] [  ] dev-lang/python-2.4.3-r4 (2.4)
[I--] [  ] dev-python/python-fchksum-1.7.1 (0)
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[gentoo-user] emerge deps AFTER build

2006-10-11 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi Guys,

Is there a way of asking emerge to only merge the packages after all
dependencies have been successfully built into tar.bz2 packages?
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[gentoo-user] eselect could not source blas.eselect

2006-10-11 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys, eselect doesn't appear to be working on my one computer
(amd64) for some reason.  I've re-emerged it already, but to no avail.

I run
# eselect
and get the following...

Usage: eselect global options module name module options

Global options:
 --no-color,--no-colourDisable coloured output

Built-in modules:
 help  Display a help message
 list-modules  Find and display available modules
 usage Display a usage message
 version   Display version information

Extra modules:
 bashcomp  Manage contributed bash-completion scripts
 binutils  Manage installed versions of sys-devel/binutils
!!! Error: Couldn't source /usr/share/eselect//modules/blas.eselect
Call stack:
   * ec_do_list-modules (eselect:139)
   * ec_do_help (eselect:86)
   * main (eselect:193)
exiting.
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Re: [gentoo-user] eselect could not source blas.eselect

2006-10-11 Thread Trenton Adams

[22:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] trenta]# equery check eselect
[ Checking app-admin/eselect-1.0.2 ]
* 57 out of 57 files good
[22:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] trenta]# eselect
Usage: eselect global options module name module options

Global options:
 --no-color,--no-colourDisable coloured output

Built-in modules:
 help  Display a help message
 list-modules  Find and display available modules
 usage Display a usage message
 version   Display version information

Extra modules:
 bashcomp  Manage contributed bash-completion scripts
 binutils  Manage installed versions of sys-devel/binutils
!!! Error: Couldn't source /usr/share/eselect//modules/blas.eselect
Call stack:
   * ec_do_list-modules (eselect:139)
   * ec_do_help (eselect:86)
   * main (eselect:193)
exiting.
[22:41 [EMAIL PROTECTED] trenta]# equery b blas.eselect
[ Searching for file(s) blas.eselect in *... ]
app-admin/eselect-1.0.2 (/usr/share/eselect/modules/blas.eselect)
[22:42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] trenta]# equery belongs blas.eselect | sed 's/^/=/' |
xargs equery check
[ Checking app-admin/eselect-1.0.2 ]
* 57 out of 57 files good
[22:42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] trenta]#



On 10/11/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 12 October 2006 04:56, Trenton Adams wrote:
 Hi guys, eselect doesn't appear to be working on my one computer
 (amd64) for some reason.  I've re-emerged it already, but to no avail.

What is the output of:

# equery check eselect

# equery belongs blas.eselect

# equery belongs blas.eselect | sed 's/^/=/' | xargs equery check

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Re: [gentoo-user] ipw2100 problems - ieee80211?

2006-10-11 Thread Trenton Adams

You create net.eth0, or whatever, by linking /etc/init.d/net.ethX to
/etc/init.d/net.lo  The driver will create the actual kernel device
name of eth0, ath0, or whatever, and then your link will make it work.

On 10/11/06, Lord Sauron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 11 October 2006 21:11, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
 On Thursday 12 October 2006 06:00, Lord Sauron wrote:
 [SNIP]

  I isolated my problem to this:
 
  emerge ipw2100 ties in ieee80211, and that fails to compile because
  it says that the current kernel cannot have the option IEEE80211 in
  either module or enabled.  It needs it disabled.
 
  I tried to use menuconfig and disable it, however, the only way I
  can do that is by literally disabling ALL networking - drivers and
  all.
 
  Kernel is kernel 2.6.17-gentoo-r8.

 [SNIP]

  If anyone knows a better/easier way, please help!

 [SNIP]

 As of kernel 2.6.17 ipw2100 has been included in the kernel. Hence
 you shouldn't install either of net-wireless/ieee80211 or
 net-wireless/ipw2100. You still need to have
 net-wireless/ipw2100-firmware emerged though. I believe these are the
 kernel options you need (it works for me):

 $ zgrep IPW2100\\\|IEEE80211 /proc/config.gz
 CONFIG_IEEE80211=m
 # CONFIG_IEEE80211_DEBUG is not set
 CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_WEP=m
 CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_CCMP=m
 CONFIG_IEEE80211_CRYPT_TKIP=m
 # CONFIG_IEEE80211_SOFTMAC is not set
 CONFIG_IPW2100=m
 # CONFIG_IPW2100_MONITOR is not set
 # CONFIG_IPW2100_DEBUG is not set

The curious thing is that the firmware is installed.

I'm trying those exact configuration settings now.  I hope that works,
otherwise I'm really in for quite a mess!


Is it at all possible that the driver is installed and working, and that
I don't have whatever it takes to activate and use it?  For my wired
ethernet card, there's a thing called net.eth0 and all that rot.  When
I get the wireless driver working, how will I create net.wlan0 or
net.eth1 or whatever it is?  I've not no experience there, and I've
been searching rather diligently for a how-to or instruction set to
help me with that.  I find it hard to think that something like that
will generate itself ex nihlo, to say the least : )

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem emerging kdebase

2006-10-10 Thread Trenton Adams

Did this ever get resolved?  I've been having the same problems with
kdemultimedia-arts.

On 7/8/06, David Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thursday 06 July 2006 19:43, Richard Fish wrote:
 On 7/6/06, David Corbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld
 : warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so, may
  conflict with libstdc++.so.6
  /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/../../../../i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld
 : warning: libstdc++.so.5, needed by /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so, may
  conflict with libstdc++.so.6

 Ok, you *really* need to run:

 revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.5


Revdep-rebuild was not magic, but it helped.   It tried to remerge a whole
bunch of packages, and numerous ones failed due to no longer being available.
I edited the emerge statement to remove things I don't really use (a lot of
kde 3.4 packages), but I still get the same failure on kdebase-3.5.

It also said: Warning: Failed to resolve package order.
Will merge in random order!

However, the last thing in the emerge library was a qt library.  I emerged
that first, and it seems to have fixed the kdebase problem.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: java-config --set-user-classpath

2006-10-03 Thread Trenton Adams

ahhh, okay, thanks.

On 10/3/06, Catalin Trifu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

eselect java-vm 

Catalin

Trenton Adams wrote:
 Hi Guys,

 I'm just a little curious why --set-user-classpath and
 --set-system-classpath are being done away with?  Is there a
 replacement facility for this functionality?

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[gentoo-user] java-config --set-user-classpath

2006-10-02 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi Guys,

I'm just a little curious why --set-user-classpath and
--set-system-classpath are being done away with?  Is there a
replacement facility for this functionality?

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[gentoo-user] gallery file integrity problem

2006-09-04 Thread Trenton Adams

I gett the following warning on step 2 of the www-apps/gallery-2.0.4
installation.

gallery file integrity  Warning
-   Modified files (1)
modules/ffmpeg/classes/FfmpegToolkit.class

Any ideas?  Has this php script been hacked or what?
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Re: [gentoo-user] gallery file integrity problem

2006-09-04 Thread Trenton Adams

Okay, thanks.

On 9/4/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:55:11 -0600, Trenton Adams wrote:

 I gett the following warning on step 2 of the www-apps/gallery-2.0.4
 installation.

 gallery file integrity  Warning
 -   Modified files (1)
 modules/ffmpeg/classes/FfmpegToolkit.class

 Any ideas?  Has this php script been hacked or what?

It's been a while since I ran such an old version of Gallery, but I
think there was a mention in the emerge output about this. The file is
patched during installation so the wanting it to be expected and nothing
to worry about. This doesn't happen now with the Gallery 2.1 ebuilds.


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Re: [gentoo-user] dispatch-conf auto merging does not work

2006-08-27 Thread Trenton Adams

Sorry I didn't get back earlier.

Umm, all config files really.  There are very few that this does not
happen with.

On 8/24/06, Robert Welz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Trenton Adams wrote:
 Hi guys,

 Has anyone else noticed that dispatch-conf does not auto-merge
 properly all the time?  I get files in /etc/init.d/* for instance that
 do not auto-merge.  There's no way I modified any of the files in
 there.

Which files, please? I haven't noticed that yet, but one never knows;)

Robert


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[gentoo-user] dispatch-conf auto merging does not work

2006-08-24 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

Has anyone else noticed that dispatch-conf does not auto-merge
properly all the time?  I get files in /etc/init.d/* for instance that
do not auto-merge.  There's no way I modified any of the files in
there.

I checked bugzilla and haven't seen this reported before.
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Re: [gentoo-user] livecd and install cd improper ACPI?

2006-07-30 Thread Trenton Adams

Thanks Richard.

Almost but not quite.  I loaded the fan module, which did nothing,
seeing the fan was already running.  I then searched through
/lib/modules/2.6.* for the fan module so I could find the others.
Then loaded the others.  Once I loaded the *thermal* module, the fan
slowed down.  It was stuck on one speed, which was apparently not fast
enough for what I was doing.  So, either a combination of the fan and
thermal modules did something, or just the thermal module.

Thanks again.

On 7/30/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 7/29/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a notebook that I use with gentoo.  I'm trying to create a
 tar.gz backup of the entire thing.  So, I boot up with 2005.x or
 2006.0 livecd, or install cd.  Both of them allow the system to over
 heat, and it shuts down.  This never used to happen.  I believe it
 worked fine with 2004.x.  Have some ACPI drivers been disabled since
 2004?

No, but they may have been modularized.  Probably you just need to
modprobe fan.

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[gentoo-user] Portage Storage using SVN

2006-07-23 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

I proposed this awhile back, and got shot down.  At the time, the
arguments for using SVN for portage storage were pretty shallow, and
someone was able to easily shoot them down.  I believe I have come up
with better reasoning for using SVN.  Someone may still shoot them
down, but hey, it's worth a try.

PROBLEM 1
Let's say openldap had a problem. So, we decide to mask the latest
version of openldap, in an effort to roll back to the version that was
working.  Well, we find out that openldap still does not work.  So, we
finally determine that it is library W.  So, now we mask library W, in
an attempt to roll back to the version that was working.  Oh no, now
we find out that library W is used by 20 other packages, that require
the latest version of library W in order to work.  So, now we have to
mask library W, and 20 packages in order to get our openldap system
functional, assuming you cared about the 20 other broken packages,
which may break other packages, which may break yet other packages.

Wouldn't it be nice to just go emerge --revert-portage, which goes
back to the last exported copy of the portage, that you had from
subversion?  Boy, would that ever be convenient.  It would be simple
enough to store a local history of portage tags that the user was
using in the past.

PROBLEM 2
Have you ever synced the portage, only to find out there's a broken
package simply because you synced in the middle of a mirror being
updated?  Well, subversion operations are entirely atomic, meaning no
need to worry about such silly things.

Also, copies (tags) could be created for every single day, and special
ones for milestones.

PROBLEM 3
Don't sync more than once a day, or you may be temporarily banned?
Well, with SVN being tagged only once a day, there would be no need to
worry about this, seeing that

POTENTIAL ISSUES
Now, I'm not entirely sure of the performance implications of
subversion for this purpose.  So, that would definitely have to either
be tested, or someone would have to talk with the subversion folks to
know if it would be a problem for thousands of users to access
subversion in readonly mode.  It would certainly be annoying for a
developer to go svn commit, and have to wait for half an hour
because everyone else is updating their local copies.  But, that could
be solved by mirrors only getting updated once every day, at 12
midnight.

How does one get SVN copied over to mirrors in an atomic way, or does
the SVN location just get shut down during the mirror update?

Any thoughts?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Portage Storage using SVN

2006-07-23 Thread Trenton Adams

On 7/23/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:42:43 -0600, Trenton Adams wrote:

 Let's say openldap had a problem. So, we decide to mask the latest
 version of openldap, in an effort to roll back to the version that was
 working.  Well, we find out that openldap still does not work.  So, we
 finally determine that it is library W.  So, now we mask library W, in
 an attempt to roll back to the version that was working.  Oh no, now
 we find out that library W is used by 20 other packages, that require
 the latest version of library W in order to work.  So, now we have to
 mask library W, and 20 packages in order to get our openldap system
 functional, assuming you cared about the 20 other broken packages,
 which may break other packages, which may break yet other packages.

 Wouldn't it be nice to just go emerge --revert-portage, which goes
 back to the last exported copy of the portage, that you had from
 subversion?  Boy, would that ever be convenient.  It would be simple
 enough to store a local history of portage tags that the user was
 using in the past.

Wouldn't that revert the whole of portage, not just the parts affecting
ldap, W and the rest? All of a sudden emerge world wants to downgrade
previously upgraded programs, some of which may have been updated for
security reasons. This means the user has to go through the Changelogs,
ebuild and package.mask to find out why they are being downgraded and
whether to apply the downgrade. this would be far more work that package
masking a few updates dependent on W, which could probably be scripted.


Yes, it would revert the whole portage, and that would be desired, so
as to be up quickly.  It could potentially take hours to figure out
which packages are being affected by a broken updated package.

But, perhaps it would be better to write a utility that will downgrade
a package, as well as all dependencies.  Or does this already happen
when you downgrade?



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Re: [gentoo-user] Portage Storage using SVN

2006-07-23 Thread Trenton Adams

On 7/23/06, Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:42:43 -0600
Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I proposed this awhile back, and got shot down.  At the time, the
 arguments for using SVN for portage storage were pretty shallow, and
 someone was able to easily shoot them down.  I believe I have come up
 with better reasoning for using SVN.  Someone may still shoot them
 down, but hey, it's worth a try.

#1:
You're aware that there's a CVS for portage, aren't you? I'm still not
quite sure if you are suggesting using SVN for the portage mirrors and
if you are suggesting that users also have a full SVN history on the
clients, too?


No, not a full history, just a tag history.



 PROBLEM 1
 [...]
 PROBLEM 2
 [...]
 PROBLEM 3
 [...]

Well, are those really problems at all? I mean, isn't it easy to
overcome them? Is it worth dedicating time and work into that svn thing?


I'm not sure, is it?  Is there scripts already out there to overcome
the problems suggested?  If there are, I would sure appreciate knowing
about them. :)

It could be a lack of my understanding how the portage downgrade
process works.  But if you downgrade a package, will it downgrade all
the packages depending on that version as well?



 POTENTIAL ISSUES
 Now, I'm not entirely sure of the performance implications of
 subversion for this purpose.  So, that would definitely have to either
 be tested, or someone would have to talk with the subversion folks to
 know if it would be a problem for thousands of users to access
 subversion in readonly mode.

Well, of course! There's definately a reason to use rsync.

 It would certainly be annoying for a
 developer to go svn commit, and have to wait for half an hour
 because everyone else is updating their local copies.  But, that could
 be solved by mirrors only getting updated once every day, at 12
 midnight.

Oh, yeah. Your midnight, my midnight? It would definately be annoying
to make a small glitch and have to wait 24hrs until the fix for that
gets promoted. The problem you mentioned that at some points there
are slightly errorneous ebuilds in portage or minor inconsistencies can
only be fixed by promoting updates fast.


That's true, and I suppose that's not quite as good as what exists
right now.  But does gentoo really have less than 24 hour bug fix turn
arounds?
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[gentoo-user] Re:

2006-07-20 Thread Trenton Adams

Perhaps [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be removed from the list?  I
keep getting the following messages after sending something to the
list...

On 7/20/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

General SMTP/ESMTP error.



Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:00:27 +0300 (EEST)
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: 554 mail server permanently rejected message (#5.3.0)





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[gentoo-user] xorg v7.0 trying to load modules that I'm not

2006-07-17 Thread Trenton Adams

# grep -e EE -e WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log
   (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(WW) Option XkbOptions requires an string value
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module v4l
(EE) Failed to load module v4l (module does not exist, 0)
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(WW) LoadModule: given non-canonical module name
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
(EE) Unable to open /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a
(EE) Failed to load module
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a (open failed, 2)
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module radeon
(EE) Failed to load module radeon (module does not exist, 0)
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module Keyboard
(EE) Failed to load module Keyboard (module does not exist, 0)
(WW) Warning, couldn't open module synaptics
(EE) Failed to load module synaptics (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) No drivers available.

I do not have radeon, or synaptics specified in my xorg.conf.  Any
reason why it might try and load these instead of nvidia drivers?  I
have nvidia specified.
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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg v7.0 trying to load modules that I'm not

2006-07-17 Thread Trenton Adams

Thank you, it's working now.  Why would it be using an xorg.conf found
in /root/?  I deleted that one, and then it found it in /etc/X11/

On 7/17/06, Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 17 July 2006 19:02, Trenton Adams wrote:

 I do not have radeon, or synaptics specified in my xorg.conf.  Any
 reason why it might try and load these instead of nvidia drivers?  I
 have nvidia specified.

Make sure xorg is actually reading the config file you think it's using.
Look for a line like

(==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf

in xorg log and check that the config file it's using is the one you
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Re: [gentoo-user] histappend shell option

2006-07-07 Thread Trenton Adams

On 7/5/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 7/5/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

 Where would I suggest a standard shell option to be incorporated into
 /etc/bash/bashrc?

bugs.gentoo.org would be the appropriate place.  File it as an
enhacement request.

 I can't stand it when I logout of multiple shells, and get only the
 history of the last one.  Especially on root.

 So, I use the histappend shell option.
 shopt -s histappend

 Wouldn't it be good to incorporate this into the standard bash shell?

I don't see any downside to this, although it seems like a fairly
trivial thing for the user who wants this to add it to their .bashrc
files.  There might be some desire to keep the configuration as close
to the $UPSTREAM defaults as possible.


Yes, it is trivial.  But yeah, that was my whole point, is to try and
keep close to the UPSTREAM, as you say.  And, it kind of should be a
standard option, as it is on many other distros.



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[gentoo-user] example tomcat app package

2006-07-05 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

What should I use as a base example package for a java application
running under tomcat?  Also, should it be a webapp to be used with
webapp-config?

Any information on this would be appreciated.

Thanks.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: example tomcat app package

2006-07-05 Thread Trenton Adams

I think you misunderstood what I was saying.  I'm looking for an
ebuild file for a tomcat application.

On 7/5/06, Edwin Kapauni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Trenton Adams wrote:
 Hi guys,

 What should I use as a base example package for a java application
 running under tomcat?  Also, should it be a webapp to be used with
[...]

As the only thing I am running under Tomcat is Cocoon-2.1.9 I would much
  appreciate Cocoon as a sample application too. :-)
But, I know: It is too big and too complicated for a simple sample. :-(

IMHO the most simple sample for Tomcat is the
Administration Web Application [1] which is also quite useful for
setting up Cocoon and other applications.



[1]http://apache.dns4.com/tomcat/tomcat-5/v5.5.17/bin/apache-tomcat-5.5.17-admin.tar.gz


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Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting my server against an individual

2006-07-05 Thread Trenton Adams

I would move ssh to a very high port number of your choice.  Most ssh
port scanners do not bother checking anything other than port 22, as
it is too time consuming.  I have not had any weird hits on my ssh
port in years.  It was hammered daily, even with attempted logins and
such, with it running on port 22.  Now, pretty much nothing.  Why not
use something like 65350 or some random high port like that?

And yes, you probably shouldn't be asking these questions if you have
an important linux computer on the internet.  Because if it is
important, you should know what you are doing before you put it on the
internet.

If on the other hand, you're just getting to know linux, and the
computer is not all that important, then you should be asking these
questions.

On 7/5/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ryan Tandy wrote:

 you're running a firewall of some kind (and you'd be crazy not to for
 any publically accessible box),

Actually, I'd disagree. If only the necessary publicly accessible services
are running on a box, what good should a firewal (I suppose you mean
packet filter, like iptables) do? The only useful measure I can think about,
is to do rate limiting. But what else?

Alexander Skwar
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[gentoo-user] histappend shell option

2006-07-05 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

Where would I suggest a standard shell option to be incorporated into
/etc/bash/bashrc?

I can't stand it when I logout of multiple shells, and get only the
history of the last one.  Especially on root.

So, I use the histappend shell option.
shopt -s histappend

Wouldn't it be good to incorporate this into the standard bash shell?
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Re: [gentoo-user] automatic notification of changes in certain packages

2006-07-05 Thread Trenton Adams

Oh man, that would be s sweet.  I want that too. :-P

On 7/5/06, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi folks,

i'd like to get automatic notification if something in an certain
package changes, ie. package foo has been masked, unmasked,
new version, ...

Is there any service for that yet ?

cu
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Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel cannot find files

2006-06-21 Thread Trenton Adams

thanks

On 6/20/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday 21 June 2006 01:56, Trenton Adams wrote:
 Nope, those mirrors do not change anything. I tried to use default
 mirrors, and it only tried three mirrors.

 Don't know why it's not working. Very odd.

They must have moved it on the mirrors. Just download it manually at put it in
$DISTDIR.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137241

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[gentoo-user] genkernel cannot find files

2006-06-20 Thread Trenton Adams

Anyone have an idea why this is happening?  Did someone make a mistake
on the genkernel package?



Emerging (1 of 12) sys-kernel/genkernel-3.3.11d to /
Downloading http://gentoo.osuosl.org/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2

--00:10:34--  http://gentoo.osuosl.org/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
  = `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
Resolving gentoo.osuosl.org... 64.50.238.52, 64.50.236.52
Connecting to gentoo.osuosl.org|64.50.238.52|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.


Downloading http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2

--00:10:35--  http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
  = `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
Resolving adelie.polymtl.ca... 132.207.4.160
Connecting to adelie.polymtl.ca|132.207.4.160|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.


Downloading

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/klibc/Testing/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
--00:10:35--  
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/klibc/Testing/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
  = `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
Resolving www.kernel.org... 204.152.191.37, 204.152.191.5
Connecting to www.kernel.org|204.152.191.37|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.

!!! Couldn't download klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2. Aborting.
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Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel cannot find files

2006-06-20 Thread Trenton Adams

Nope, those mirrors do not change anything.  I tried to use default
mirrors, and it only tried three mirrors.

Don't know why it's not working.  Very odd.

On 6/20/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Trenton Adams wrote:

 Anyone have an idea why this is happening?  Did someone make a mistake
 on the genkernel package?


 Emerging (1 of 12) sys-kernel/genkernel-3.3.11d to /
 Downloading http://gentoo.osuosl.org/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2

 --00:10:34--  http://gentoo.osuosl.org/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
   = `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
 Resolving gentoo.osuosl.org... 64.50.238.52, 64.50.236.52
 Connecting to gentoo.osuosl.org|64.50.238.52|:80... connected.
 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
 00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.

 Downloading http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2

 --00:10:35--  http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
   = `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
 Resolving adelie.polymtl.ca... 132.207.4.160
 Connecting to adelie.polymtl.ca|132.207.4.160|:80... connected.
 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
 00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.

 Downloading

 http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/klibc/Testing/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
 --00:10:35--
 http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/klibc/Testing/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
   = `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
 Resolving www.kernel.org... 204.152.191.37, 204.152.191.5
 Connecting to www.kernel.org|204.152.191.37|:80... connected.
 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
 00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.

 !!! Couldn't download klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2. Aborting.


May want to edit make.conf with some different servers.  Those may not
have the newer packages yet.  Some take a little longer than others.  I
have ran into the same thing before though.  Here is mine if you want to
try.

 GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
 http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/
 http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo http://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/
 http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/
 http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo http://gentoo.netnitco.net 


May help.  We hope.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel cannot find files

2006-06-20 Thread Trenton Adams

I synced my portage, but the problem is still occuring.

On 6/20/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Nope, those mirrors do not change anything.  I tried to use default
mirrors, and it only tried three mirrors.

Don't know why it's not working.  Very odd.

On 6/20/06, Teresa and Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Trenton Adams wrote:

  Anyone have an idea why this is happening?  Did someone make a mistake
  on the genkernel package?
 
 
  Emerging (1 of 12) sys-kernel/genkernel-3.3.11d to /
  Downloading http://gentoo.osuosl.org/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
 
  --00:10:34--  http://gentoo.osuosl.org/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
= `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
  Resolving gentoo.osuosl.org... 64.50.238.52, 64.50.236.52
  Connecting to gentoo.osuosl.org|64.50.238.52|:80... connected.
  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
  00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.
 
  Downloading http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
 
  --00:10:35--  http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
= `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
  Resolving adelie.polymtl.ca... 132.207.4.160
  Connecting to adelie.polymtl.ca|132.207.4.160|:80... connected.
  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
  00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.
 
  Downloading
 
  http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/klibc/Testing/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
  --00:10:35--
  http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/klibc/Testing/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2
= `/usr/portage/distfiles/klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2'
  Resolving www.kernel.org... 204.152.191.37, 204.152.191.5
  Connecting to www.kernel.org|204.152.191.37|:80... connected.
  HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
  00:10:35 ERROR 404: Not Found.
 
  !!! Couldn't download klibc-1.2.1.tar.bz2. Aborting.


 May want to edit make.conf with some different servers.  Those may not
 have the newer packages yet.  Some take a little longer than others.  I
 have ran into the same thing before though.  Here is mine if you want to
 try.

  GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://gentoo.osuosl.org/
  http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/
  http://gentoo.seren.com/gentoo http://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/
  http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/
  http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo http://gentoo.netnitco.net 


 May help.  We hope.

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[gentoo-user] portage and rsync vs svn

2006-06-19 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

I'm just curious about something.  I've noticed many people report
problems with their repository syncing simply because someone was in
the middle of committing to the repository.  Couldn't this be resolved
by replacing the syncing mechanism with *svn* as opposed to rsync?
After all, it does have atomic transactions, and you cannot get a
partially updated repository when you use it.

If this was to be done, I would suggest making tags every day, such as
-MM-DD.  Then any other tags could also be made on milestones such
as 2006.0 for that release.

One other benefit of this mechanism, that I can think of, would be
that I could easily roll back to my last sync date or release, if some
of the updated ebuilds caused me problems.

Any thoughts?
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage and rsync vs svn

2006-06-19 Thread Trenton Adams

Thanks for the reply. Interspersed comments below...

On 6/19/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 19 June 2006 09:58, Trenton Adams wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I'm just curious about something.  I've noticed many people report
 problems with their repository syncing simply because someone was in
 the middle of committing to the repository.  Couldn't this be resolved
 by replacing the syncing mechanism with *svn* as opposed to rsync?
 After all, it does have atomic transactions, and you cannot get a
 partially updated repository when you use it.

Perhaps it could. But I don't think that problem is important enough to make
Portage usage depend on Subversion.


Well, it wouldn't have to *depend* on subversion.  The rsync could
still be used.  All that would need to happen is that the location
that people would be able to rsync with could be checked out
regularly.  Then the rsync could have an exclude for the .svn
directories, or whatever administrative directories there would be,
depending on the VCS you use.



[...]

 One other benefit of this mechanism, that I can think of, would be
 that I could easily roll back to my last sync date or release, if some
 of the updated ebuilds caused me problems.

That really should not be necessary. What you should of course do is file a
bug so the problems can be fixed for everyone.


Well, one problem I had was not actually *really* bug.  It was a
requirement that I did not fulfill, but was unable to figure it out
instantly.  So, rolling back would have been very useful at that time.
It would just add another level of safety.



 Any thoughts?

Currently the developers are still using CVS for the tree. Migrating to
another VCS does have a high priority but they have not even chosen which VCS
to migrate to. There is a Google Summer of Code project which is supposed to
test the different options to give a good basis for making a decision. This,
however, affects the Gentoo developers only.

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage and rsync vs svn

2006-06-19 Thread Trenton Adams

On 6/19/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Monday 19 June 2006 10:58, Trenton Adams wrote:
   One other benefit of this mechanism, that I can think of, would be
   that I could easily roll back to my last sync date or release, if some
   of the updated ebuilds caused me problems.
 
  That really should not be necessary. What you should of course do is file
  a bug so the problems can be fixed for everyone.

 Well, one problem I had was not actually *really* bug.  It was a
 requirement that I did not fulfill, but was unable to figure it out
 instantly.  So, rolling back would have been very useful at that time.
  It would just add another level of safety.

If an ebuild is removed from the tree while you still need it then chances are
that others need it too. Then it is indeed a bug. If you need an ebuild that
has been removed from the tree it is available from the cvs [1]. As mentioned
in my previous mail cvs is going to be replaced by a superior VCS hopefully
within this year.


Sorry, you misunderstood what I was saying because I wasn't clear
enough.  I meant if I missed a required step, not missed a dependency.

For example, with openldap, you're supposed to slapcat before
upgrading, and slapadd after upgrading, or you could have database
problems.  I did not know this.  So when I went from 2.2-2.3, I had
problems.  But, I didn't have time to get it working, as I needed it
up and running NOW.  So, I reverted to the old package by masking the
new one, and then went to find out why it occurred after the fact.
This is one simple example of potential problems.  But something on a
wider scale could occur.



[1] http://www.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi

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Re: [gentoo-user] xine compile failed

2006-06-17 Thread Trenton Adams

The suggestion was to upgrade to gcc 3.4.  That's what the bug report says.

On 6/16/06, Richard Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi ... I've got exactly the same problem with after syncing. I've tried
resyncing a few times. Any help would be great. Thanks, Richard.

My output is:
===
cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fvisibility=hidden'

make[3]: *** [xineplug_ao_out_none_la-audio_none_out.lo] Error 1

make[3]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9/work/xine-lib-1.1.2cvs/src/audio_out'

make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9/work/xine-lib-1.1.2cvs/src'

make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9/work/xine-lib-1.1.2cvs'

make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: media-libs/xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9 failed.

Call stack:

ebuild.sh, line 1539: Called dyn_compile

ebuild.sh, line 939: Called src_compile

xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9.ebuild, line 235: Called die

== emerge --info output ==

Portage 2.1 (default-linux/x86/2006.0, gcc-3.3.6, glibc-2.3.6-r3,
2.6.16-gentoo-r7 i686)

=

System uname: 2.6.16-gentoo-r7 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.70GHz

Gentoo Base System version 1.6.14

distcc 2.18.3 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port 3632)
[disabled]

dev-lang/python: 2.3.5-r2, 2.4.2

dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5

dev-util/ccache: [Not Present]

dev-util/confcache: [Not Present]

sys-apps/sandbox: 1.2.17

sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.59-r7

sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r1

sys-devel/binutils: 2.16.1-r2

sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.13-r2

sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.22

virtual/os-headers: 2.6.11-r2

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86

AUTOCLEAN=yes

CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu

CFLAGS=-march=pentium4 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer

CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu

CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config
/usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config
/usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/pref
/usr/share/config

CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild
/etc/terminfo

CXXFLAGS=-march=pentium4 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer

DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles

FEATURES=autoconfig distlocks metadata-transfer sandbox sfperms strict

GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://adelie.polymtl.ca/
ftp://cs.ubishops.ca/pub/gentoo ftp://gentoo.risq.qc.ca/
http://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/ ftp://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/
http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/gentoo/ ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/gentoo/
http://gentoo.blueyonder.co.uk ftp://mirrors.blueyonder.co.uk/mirrors/gentoo
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/
ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/
ftp://public.planetmirror.com/pub/gentoo/
ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/Gentoo
http://mirror.isp.net.au/pub/gentoo/ ftp://mirror.isp.net.au/pub/gentoo/
http://mirror.gentoo.gr.jp http://gentoo.gg3.net/
http://gentoo.channelx.biz/ ftp://mirror.averse.net/pub/gentoo
http://mirror.averse.net/pub/gentoo/;

MAKEOPTS=-j2

PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages

PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress
 --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats --timeout=180 
--exclude='/distfiles'
 --exclude='/local' --exclude='/packages'

PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp

PORTDIR=/usr/portage

SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage

USE=X a52 aac aalib alsa apache2 apm arts audiofile avi bash-completion
berkdb bitmap-fonts bonobo bzip2 cdparanoia cdr cli crypt cups dbm div4linux
dri dv dvb dvd dvdr dvdread eds emboss encode esd examples exif fbcon fdftk
ffmpeg flash foomaticdb fortran ftp gb gd gdbm gif gnome gphoto2 gpm
gstreamer gtk gtk2 gtkhtml hal howl ieee1394 imlib ipv6 isdnlog jack
joystick jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad matrox mikmod mime ming motif mozilla
mp3 mpeg msn mysql mysqli nas ncurses nls nocd nptl ogg oggvorbis openal
opengl osc oss pam pcre pdflib perl png portaudio ppds pppd python qt
quicktime readline reflection samba sdl session slp sox speex spell spl szip
tcpd tetex tiff truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts udev usb v4l vcd videos
vorbis win32codecs x86 xine xinerama xml xmms xorg xv xvid yahoo zlib
elibc_glibc kernel_linux userland_GNU

Unset: CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS,
LINGUAS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY

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[gentoo-user] OpenLDAP error after upgrade

2006-06-16 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

After upgrading from 2.2.28-r3 to 2.3.24-r1, I noticed that there's a
problem in my LDAP server the prevents it from working at all.  As a
result, I had to downgrade back to 2.2.

If I do an *ldapsearch* command, I get the following...
Internal (implementation specific) error (80)
Additional information: internal error

The logs say the following.  Is there a way of upgrading the LDAP DB
to be functional after the upgrade?  Should I downgrade, slapcat, and
upgrade again?

tail -18 /var/log/syslog
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 fd=13 ACCEPT from
IP=127.0.0.1:60261 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=0 BIND dn= method=128
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 text=
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=1 SRCH
base=dc=adamsbros,dc=org scope=2 deref=0 filter=(labeledURI=*)
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=1 SRCH attr=labeledURI
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: = entry_decode:
slap_str2undef_ad(a-9b67-bde9526b77f4): AttributeDescription contains
inappropriate characters
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101
err=80 nentries=0 text=internal error
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=2 UNBIND
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 fd=13 closed
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 fd=13 ACCEPT from
IP=127.0.0.1:50707 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=0 BIND dn= method=128
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 text=
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=1 SRCH
base=dc=adamsbros,dc=org scope=2 deref=0 filter=(labeledURI=*)
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=1 SRCH attr=labeledURI
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: = entry_decode:
slap_str2undef_ad(a-9b67-bde9526b77f4): AttributeDescription contains
inappropriate characters
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101
err=80 nentries=0 text=internal error
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=2 UNBIND
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 fd=13 closed
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[gentoo-user] Re: OpenLDAP error after upgrade

2006-06-16 Thread Trenton Adams

I found something interesting about the merge of 2.3.

The following text is not true.  It says there is no data, but there
is.  Perhaps this is a bug?

*
* Scanning datadir(s) from slapd.conf and
* the default installdir for Versiontags
* (/var/lib/openldap-data may appear twice)
*
* - Checking /var/lib/openldap-data...
*Found Versiontag in /var/lib/openldap-data
*Versiontag doesn't match current major release!
*No real problem, seems there's no database.
*
* - Checking /var/lib/openldap-data...
*Found Versiontag in /var/lib/openldap-data
*Versiontag doesn't match current major release!
*No real problem, seems there's no database.
*

*
* All datadirs are fine, proceeding with merge now...
*


On 6/16/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi guys,

After upgrading from 2.2.28-r3 to 2.3.24-r1, I noticed that there's a
problem in my LDAP server the prevents it from working at all.  As a
result, I had to downgrade back to 2.2.

If I do an *ldapsearch* command, I get the following...
Internal (implementation specific) error (80)
Additional information: internal error

The logs say the following.  Is there a way of upgrading the LDAP DB
to be functional after the upgrade?  Should I downgrade, slapcat, and
upgrade again?

 tail -18 /var/log/syslog
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 fd=13 ACCEPT from
IP=127.0.0.1:60261 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=0 BIND dn= method=128
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 text=
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=1 SRCH
base=dc=adamsbros,dc=org scope=2 deref=0 filter=(labeledURI=*)
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=1 SRCH attr=labeledURI
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: = entry_decode:
slap_str2undef_ad(a-9b67-bde9526b77f4): AttributeDescription contains
inappropriate characters
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101
err=80 nentries=0 text=internal error
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 op=2 UNBIND
Jun 14 23:40:23 abda slapd[19612]: conn=1 fd=13 closed
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 fd=13 ACCEPT from
IP=127.0.0.1:50707 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=0 BIND dn= method=128
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=0 RESULT tag=97 err=0 text=
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=1 SRCH
base=dc=adamsbros,dc=org scope=2 deref=0 filter=(labeledURI=*)
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=1 SRCH attr=labeledURI
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: = entry_decode:
slap_str2undef_ad(a-9b67-bde9526b77f4): AttributeDescription contains
inappropriate characters
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=1 SEARCH RESULT tag=101
err=80 nentries=0 text=internal error
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 op=2 UNBIND
Jun 15 19:15:28 abda slapd[19612]: conn=2 fd=13 closed


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[gentoo-user] xine compile failed

2006-06-15 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

I just wanted to check here first before I file a bug report.  I
synced my portage yesterday and the day before, and keep getting a
compile failure on xine.  I thought perhaps the portage was in an
inconsistant state, so re-synced a few times.  But, it kept on failing
so I had to remove it to get my system to work.

e_out.o
cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fvisibility=hidden'
cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fvisibility=hidden'
make[3]: *** [xineplug_ao_out_none_la-audio_none_out.lo] Error 1
make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[3]: *** [xineplug_ao_out_file_la-audio_file_out.lo] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9/work/xine-lib-1.1.2cvs/src/audio_out'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9/work/xine-lib-1.1.2cvs/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9/work/xine-lib-1.1.2cvs'
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: media-libs/xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9 failed.
Call stack:
 ebuild.sh, line 1539:   Called dyn_compile
 ebuild.sh, line 939:   Called src_compile
 xine-lib-1.1.2_pre20060328-r9.ebuild, line 235:   Called die

!!! emake failed
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
stack if relevant.
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Re: [gentoo-user] xine compile failed

2006-06-15 Thread Trenton Adams

Portage 2.1 (default-linux/x86/2005.1, gcc-3.3.6, glibc-2.3.6-r3,
2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2700+
Gentoo Base System version 1.6.14
distcc 2.18.3 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port
3632) [disabled]
dev-lang/python: 2.3.5, 2.4.2
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5
dev-util/ccache: [Not Present]
dev-util/confcache:  [Not Present]
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.59-r7
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r1
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1-r2
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.13-r2
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.22
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.11-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86
AUTOCLEAN=yes
CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config
/usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config
/usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo
CXXFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -fomit-frame-pointer -mmmx
DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles
FEATURES=autoconfig distlocks metadata-transfer sandbox sfperms strict
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://adelie.polymtl.ca/;
MAKEOPTS=-j2
PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times
--compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats
--timeout=180 --exclude='/distfiles' --exclude='/local'
--exclude='/packages'
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp
PORTDIR=/usr/portage
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage
SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
USE=x86 X a52 alsa apache2 apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fonts cgi cli
crypt cups divx4linux dri dv dvdread eds emboss encode fame foomaticdb
fortran gdbm gif gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 isdnlog java jpeg
kde ldap libg++ libwww mad mikmod mmx motif mp3 mpeg mppe-mppc ncurses
nls ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pam pcre pdflib perl php png postgres
pppd python qt quicktime readline reflection sdl session spell spl ssl
subtitles tcpd threads truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vhosts
vorbis winbind xinerama xml xml2 xmms xorg xv xvid zlib elibc_glibc
kernel_linux userland_GNU
Unset:  CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL,
LDFLAGS, LINGUAS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS


On 6/15/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 6/15/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I just wanted to check here first before I file a bug report.  I
 synced my portage yesterday and the day before, and keep getting a
 compile failure on xine.  I thought perhaps the portage was in an
 inconsistant state, so re-synced a few times.  But, it kept on failing
 so I had to remove it to get my system to work.

 e_out.o
 cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fvisibility=hidden'
 cc1: error: unrecognized option `-fvisibility=hidden'

Please post the output of emerge --info.  I think -fvisibility is a
gcc-4 option, so we need to see what your CFLAGS and gcc version are.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xine compile failed

2006-06-15 Thread Trenton Adams

Was it already decided that 3.4 was the defacto, before this bug was
found, or did someone make a mistake on the package too early?  Just
curious. :)

On 6/15/06, leszek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Le jeudi 15 juin 2006 à 14:53 -0600, Trenton Adams a écrit :
 Portage 2.1 (default-linux/x86/2005.1, gcc-3.3.6, glibc-2.3.6-r3,
 2.6.15-gentoo-r1 i686)

you need to upgrade your gcc to 3.4
more info: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136542

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Re: [gentoo-user] php-5 being forced to install?

2006-05-18 Thread Trenton Adams

Thank you Maxim.  That was the problem.  The funny thing is that swig
does not seem to require php5, but it supports the php use flag.

On 5/15/06, Maxim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  It says...
 
  [ebuild  NS   ] dev-lang/php-5.1.2
  [ebuild   R   ] dev-lang/swig-1.3.21
 
  I don't understand why it's trying to do this, as I have not asked for
  php 5 to be installed.  And I'm also worried about it breaking
  existing PHP applications.
 
  Any ideas of where I should start?

 I'm not sure why php-5 is being installed, but it's not too likely
 that PHP5 will break your PHP applications unless they rely on a few
 things that changed, such as re-setting $this.

# USE = -php emerge -av swig

I think it'll work.

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[gentoo-user] php-5 being forced to install?

2006-05-13 Thread Trenton Adams

Hi guys,

I'm having weird symptoms on my gentoo 2005.x system.  The system is
trying to install php-5.

It says...

[ebuild  NS   ] dev-lang/php-5.1.2
[ebuild   R   ] dev-lang/swig-1.3.21

I don't understand why it's trying to do this, as I have not asked for
php 5 to be installed.  And I'm also worried about it breaking
existing PHP applications.

Any ideas of where I should start?

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[gentoo-user] Re: no shell permission denied?

2006-03-19 Thread Trenton Adams
Oh, by the way, I'm leaving for about 2-3 days, so I'll be replying back then.

On 3/20/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I just re-installed my system because all of a sudden I started
 getting the following...

 [15:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /] # su - trenta
 Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

 In addition, I am also unable to login from the console, or X.  I get
 no shell: Permission Denied

 I'm starting to wonder if I'm getting a trojan somehow, because I'm
 getting this on two gentoo boxes.

 The last time this happened, it was shortly after loading pl2303,
 usbserial, or minicom.  I know this *NOW* because I just finished
 re-installing my system, and decided that I would try the /dev/ttyUSB0
 again with minicom, as I got some electronic stuff to play with
 recently, which requires RS232 com ports.  But, this is only the case
 on one system, not both.

 Now I'm a little ticked off because it took me awhile to get my system
 up and running, given all the packages I needed to install.

 Keep in mind that I restored my home directory and such, so I know
 it's not anything in my profile that could cause this.  Also, all
 services that try and startup with anything other than root get this
 as well.

 Any ideas on what the heck is going on with my gentoo systems?  I
 don't want to reinstall yet again, only to find I'm having the same
 problem.

 I'm thinking there may be a bug in the gentoo portage somewhere that
 is causing this, because I'm positive that I haven't changed any
 permissions on any files.


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[gentoo-user] no shell permission denied?

2006-03-19 Thread Trenton Adams
Hi everyone,

I just re-installed my system because all of a sudden I started
getting the following...

[15:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] /] # su - trenta
Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied

In addition, I am also unable to login from the console, or X.  I get
no shell: Permission Denied

I'm starting to wonder if I'm getting a trojan somehow, because I'm
getting this on two gentoo boxes.

The last time this happened, it was shortly after loading pl2303,
usbserial, or minicom.  I know this *NOW* because I just finished
re-installing my system, and decided that I would try the /dev/ttyUSB0
again with minicom, as I got some electronic stuff to play with
recently, which requires RS232 com ports.  But, this is only the case
on one system, not both.

Now I'm a little ticked off because it took me awhile to get my system
up and running, given all the packages I needed to install.

Keep in mind that I restored my home directory and such, so I know
it's not anything in my profile that could cause this.  Also, all
services that try and startup with anything other than root get this
as well.

Any ideas on what the heck is going on with my gentoo systems?  I
don't want to reinstall yet again, only to find I'm having the same
problem.

I'm thinking there may be a bug in the gentoo portage somewhere that
is causing this, because I'm positive that I haven't changed any
permissions on any files.

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[gentoo-user] Updated gentoo systems and fresh installs

2006-03-13 Thread Trenton Adams
Hi guys,

Is there a difference between the two?  I have 2005.1 installed.  As
I've always understood it, my system will now always be up-to-date, as
long as I keep updating it.  Is 2006.0 any different than 2005.1 after
the system has been installed?

I'm just curious, because I have to install gentoo on a notebook, but
I want package compatibility with my server.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Updated gentoo systems and fresh installs

2006-03-13 Thread Trenton Adams
Thanks everyone.

Just so you'll all have an extra tidbit of knowledge.  A co-worker
mentioned one other thing that could be a problem, that no one else
mentioned.  If you have not yet upgraded GCC on an old version, then
use an up-to-date installation with a newer GCC, you will have binary
incompatibilities with your package build system.

On 3/13/06, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 13 March 2006 14:54, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote about '[gentoo-user] Updated gentoo systems and fresh installs':
  Is there a difference between the two?  I have 2005.1 installed.  As
  I've always understood it, my system will now always be up-to-date, as
  long as I keep updating it.  Is 2006.0 any different than 2005.1 after
  the system has been installed?

 Not very.  Some packages are masked by the profile so changing profiles
 will change what packages are installed, sometimes.

 I'm assuming you are using default-linux/x86/2005.1 and thinking about
 moving to default-linux/x86/2006.0 (there are equivalents for most archs,
 and probably some of the sub-profiles).  If that's the case we see that:
 $ diff -u 2005.1 2006.0
 diff -u 2005.1/make.defaults 2006.0/make.defaults
 --- 2005.1/make.defaults2005-11-16 11:06:03.0 -0600
 +++ 2006.0/make.defaults2006-01-31 17:06:15.0 -0600
 @@ -1,5 +1,9 @@
 -#
 $Header: 
 /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1/make.defaults,v
 1.5 2005/11/16 17:00:36 wolf31o2 Exp $
 +#
 $Header: 
 /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.0/make.defaults,v
 1.6 2006/01/31 23:03:05 wolf31o2 Exp $

 -USE=alsa apm arts avi bitmap-fonts cups eds emboss encode fortran
 foomaticdb gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++
 libwww mad mikmod motif mp3 mpeg ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pdflib png qt
 quicktime sdl spell truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis X xml2 xmms
 xv
 +# This is currently commented so that the stage1 tarball can also be used
 to
 +# build no-nptl systems.
 +#STAGE1_USE=nptl
 +
 +USE=alsa apache2 apm arts avi cups eds emboss encode esd foomaticdb gdbm
 gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad mikmod
 motif mp3 mpeg nptl ogg opengl oss pdflib png qt quicktime sdl spell
 truetype udev vorbis X xml xmms xv
 diff -u 2005.1/packages 2006.0/packages
 --- 2005.1/packages 2005-07-07 16:09:07.0 -0500
 +++ 2006.0/packages 2006-01-18 15:19:57.0 -0600
 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 -#
 $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/default-linux/x86/2005.1/packages,v
 1.2 2005/07/07 20:11:37 wolf31o2 Exp $
 +#
 $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/profiles/default-linux/x86/2006.0/packages,v
 1.1 2006/01/18 21:19:57 wolf31o2 Exp $
 Only in 2005.1: vserver

 (I stripped out the context lines, but things aren't wrapping correctly, so
 that my be a little hard to read.)

 ANYWAY, looks to me like vserver support is no longer available as a
 sub-profile, probably replaced or superceeded by default-linux/x86/vserver
 and that the default USE flags changed by adding apache2, esd, nptl, udev,
 and xml and removing bitmap-fonts, fortran, oggvorbis, truetype-fonts,
 type1-fonts, and xml2.

 nptl and udev you were probably already using, esd maybe not and it'll
 probably bring in a dependency or two.  I betting xml2 has just gone away,
 in favor of xml.  oggvorbis should have also gone away since there's no
 special libraries necessary to handle vorbis data in the ogg wrapper other
 that the ability to handle vorbis data (which can be in another wrapper,
 like matroska) and open ogg wrappers (which can contain other data like
 speex or theora).  Changing the fortran flag will probably make your gcc
 recompile, unless you already had it turned off; I don't actually compile
 fortran, do you?  I'm not really sure what's up with the fonts options,
 but it does make sense to not default to ALL types of fonts.  The biggest
 change is the apache2 flag, so you may want to disable that is you do go
 with 2006.0

  I'm just curious, because I have to install gentoo on a notebook, but
  I want package compatibility with my server.

 Do you mean you want to be able to use binary packages from the server, so
 that you don't have to compile on the notebook?  If so, you probably want
 to keep both make.conf, make.profile, and /etc/portage identical.  (If USE
 flags are different, a binary package will not be used.)

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 it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
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[gentoo-user] open source cpanel type hosting

2006-02-12 Thread Trenton Adams
Is there a package in gentoo for an open source tool like CPanel or
Ensim Pro web hosting tools, or something of the like?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Hard setting additional search domains into DHCP-overwrited resolv.conf

2006-01-31 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/31/06, Schleimer, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I too am interested in knowing how to do this.
  Theres no obvious place in /etc/config.d/net(work?) to set new search 
 domains in resolv.conf
  if anyone can provide info on this, I'd appricate it.

  Thanks!
  Ben

  Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
 Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
 by definition, not smart enough to debug it. - Brian W. Kernighan


Apparently Mr Kernighan likes to use falacies! :)  Poor Mr. Kernighan.
 Someone who writes clever code is not smart enough to debug it? 
That's pretty funny.  Write it right the first time, and you're more
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: XP laptop crashes Linsys router.

2006-01-25 Thread Trenton Adams
upgrade the firmware on the router.

On 1/25/06, Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My son has a toshiba laptop running XP. When ever he plugs in his network
 cable, The router linksys goes down. I cannot ping it from my machine.
 Rebooting the router allows all machines to reach internet and LAN addresses
 for a few seconds until the router crashes again. Leaving the cable unplugged
 from his laptop allows the router to work properly. Any ideas?
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: XP laptop crashes Linsys router.

2006-01-25 Thread Trenton Adams
You can restart the network on XP by right clicking the network
connection and clicking repair I believe.

On 1/25/06, Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wednesday 25 January 2006 13:42, a tiny voice compelled
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] to write:
  Recheck (I assume you've checked it already G) his network settings.  He
  may have a bad card.  Can you setup a network trace/sniffer on your linux
  box to see what happens?  Also the Linksys will log some events - check
  it's log setup and see how detailed you can get.
 
   From: Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Date: 2006/01/25 Wed PM 01:36:44 EST
   To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
   Subject: [gentoo-user] OT: XP laptop crashes Linsys router.
  
   My son has a toshiba laptop running XP. When ever he plugs in his network
   cable, The router linksys goes down. I cannot ping it from my machine.
   Rebooting the router allows all machines to reach internet and LAN
   addresses for a few seconds until the router crashes again. Leaving the
   cable unplugged from his laptop allows the router to work properly. Any
   ideas?
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 I played a bit with his laptop (damn it's a bi**h to do anything with winders)
 and found that Internet Connection Sharing was enabled. I disabled same and
 it seems to have done the trick. My God! I fealt like a noobie trying to
 fumble my way around that thing. Is there no way of restarting the network on
 XP?
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: XP laptop crashes Linsys router.

2006-01-25 Thread Trenton Adams
Use ethereal, as it has a GUI.

On 1/25/06, Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wednesday 25 January 2006 14:52, a tiny voice compelled Phil Sexton to
 write:
  Ernie Schroder wrote:
   Is there no way of restarting the network on
   XP?
 
   From the dos prompt, command:
 
  ipconfig /renew
 
  (I think)
 

 I did a release and renew and got a valid IP from the router but I couldn't
 connect to the internet until I rebooted. I didn't try pinging inside or
 outside of the LAN so I don't know what was up. Someone know a link to a
 sniffer how-to?
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[gentoo-user] PPP and VPN

2006-01-24 Thread Trenton Adams
Hi everyone,

I had heard that kernel 2.6.15 had VPN support.  So, I went to
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Set_up_a_vpn_client_with_mppe_encryption
to figure out how to configure my kernel compilation.  The only
problem is, there doesn't appear to be PPP support anywhere in the
kernel.

Networking  ---
  --- Networking support

I can't expand the Networking support in any way.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

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[gentoo-user] Re: PPP and VPN

2006-01-24 Thread Trenton Adams
Actually, that document was a little misleading.  it said Networking
support, where it should have said Network device support.  So, my
brain omitted the Device Driver--- part, and assumed I should go
under Networking ---, because I knew it was there.

Anyhow, found the options. :)

On 1/24/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I had heard that kernel 2.6.15 had VPN support.  So, I went to
 http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Set_up_a_vpn_client_with_mppe_encryption
 to figure out how to configure my kernel compilation.  The only
 problem is, there doesn't appear to be PPP support anywhere in the
 kernel.

 Networking  ---
   --- Networking support

 I can't expand the Networking support in any way.

 Any ideas?

 Thanks in advance.


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Re: [gentoo-user] tar over ssh

2006-01-24 Thread Trenton Adams
 Not possible
on a windows machine. :P

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Re: [gentoo-user] iptables question

2006-01-20 Thread Trenton Adams
Under the *nat rule,

-A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 58443 -j DNAT --to 192.168.7.1:443

Under the *filter rules.

-A ADAMS-FW-INPUT -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport
443 -j ACCEPT


On 1/20/06, Dmitry S. Makovey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 somewhat offtopic, but since I need any help I can get:

 how do I redirect trafic from outward facing interface
 (192.168.1.114:80) to loopback device (127.0.0.1:80) ?

 my most obvious trick:
 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 192.168.1.114 --dport 80 \
 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:80
 and
 echo 1  /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
 didn't help. Machine which is opening connection is hanging there
 indefinitely...

 what did I miss?

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[gentoo-user] weird keyboard behaviour

2006-01-18 Thread Trenton Adams
Hi everyone,

I've been using gentoo linux for several months now.  Right from the
very beginning I have noticed very odd behviour with it, in regards to
keyboard input.  I have not seen this behaviour on other linux
distributions that use kernel 2.6.

Has anyone else noticed that ctrl-C using the right side of the
keyboard does not always work?  It's almost intermittent.  I have seen
this behaviour on every machine I've installed gentoo on, so I know
it's not a hardware problem.

Are there gentoo kernel changes related to HCIs such as the keyboard?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [gentoo-user] please ignore

2006-01-17 Thread Trenton Adams
I just can't.  To ignore such a message would just irritate me to no end. :P

On 1/17/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 please ignore this mail, it is just a test.

 And don't flame me for it, it is legit. See bugzilla.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Java and java.library.path

2006-01-17 Thread Trenton Adams
on the java command line put -Djava.library.path=/usr/lib

I don't know if gentoo has a config for this or not, I didn't know
ADDLDPATH existed.  Who knows, perhaps editing the JRE version of that
file would help?

On 1/17/06, darren kirby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all,

 I am trying to get an app called iriverter up and running. Not in portage so I
 built and installed manually, which went with no errors. However, after
 starting the app I get:

 Exception in thread main java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: no swt-pi-gtk-3201
 in java.library.path

 But I do have this library:
 $ locate swt-pi-gtk
 /usr/lib/libswt-pi-gtk-3201.so

 I ran java-config to see which java I am using (blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02) and I
 edited /etc/env.d/java/20blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02 and added '/usr/lib/' to the
 'ADDLDPATH' variable, ran env-update, sourced /etc/profile, and even logged
 out and back in but I still have the same error.

 Now: I don't really know jack about java, so can someone tell me how to get
 this to work? How can I add /usr/lib/ to java's library path?

 Thanks for consideration,
 -d
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Re: [gentoo-user] usb1 performance out of usb2 external HD

2006-01-16 Thread Trenton Adams
Are you mounting with the sync option, or no?  Try it with, and
without.  If you do it without, time what it takes to do the copy, and
unmount.  unmount will do the actual sync.

I've noticed that linux in generall is extremely slow with USB devices
sometimes.  My external USB2 (ATA 100) drive gets 27M/sec on my
machine.  And with a relatively new driver, you should see speeds
about like that.

On 1/15/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have a 2.5in usb HD and 2 external usb2 cases.  I've been getting
 pretty average performance with a 7200 rpm drive in both cases, but I
 just thought this was the way it is.

 However, I just did a test:
 $ time
 cp /usr/portage/distfiles/OOo_2.0.1_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz 
 /mnt/usb-storage/device-0/partition-5/

 real1m20.903s

 which is pretty slow.  I copied the same file in winblows (without
 changing usb ports or anything) and it copies in about 15 seconds.

 I noticed I had uhci-hcd loaded (the usb 1 module?) so I unloaded it,
 and my keyboard stopped working!!!  So using the laptop keyboard, I
 replugged the HD (now without uhci-hcd) and it still goes slow...

 $ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sdd

 /dev/sdd:
  Timing cached reads:   3640 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1820.28 MB/sec
  Timing buffered disk reads:   30 MB in  3.13 seconds =   9.60 MB/sec

 9.6 is pretty slow! I should be able to get at least double that...

 And as I've said, I know this port is usb 2.0.

 Any hints?
 thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome

2006-01-16 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/15/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Trenton Adams schreef:
  On 1/14/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 1/14/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The old version could disable gnome, but 1.5 can't.  Perhaps it's
   a firefox 1.5 ebuild limitation?  I hope that's what it is,
  because I can't stand gnome.
  False.
 
  carcharias rjf # ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin  | grep
  gnome carcharias rjf # emerge -pv mozilla-firefox
 
  These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
 
  Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild   R   ]
  www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9  USE=java -debug -gnome -ipv6
  -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 0 kB
 
  If you already have gnome installed, gnome won't show up unless you
  go --tree, will it?  Either way, you can take a look in the ebuild
  file for firefox 1.5, and there's no reference to gnome.  No checking
   of the gnome useflag or anything like that. 1.0.7 has it though.
 

 The appearance of USE flags (which is what we're talking about) is
 unrelated to whether or not you have the package installed already-- a
 USE flag does not appear or disappear based on whether you have the
 relevant package installed. In fact, the USE flag controls to great
 degree whether you install the relevant dependency or not (i.e., if K3b
 optionally depends on KDE, then enabling the kde USE flag will install
 additional, optional KDE support programs. But since K3b requires
 kdelibs and kdebase to run at all, these hard dependencies are not
 controlled by the USE flag).

Oh, I get it. the thing that confused me was that he put the USE=,
so I thought he was showing me what use flags he had set, not the
output of the emerge command.  Now I see he was showing the output of
the emerge command and adding USE=.  Either that, or he's using a
newer version of emerge that outputs USE= for him.


 In any case:

 emerge -pv mozilla-firefox gnome-light

 These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

 Calculating dependencies ...done!
 [ebuild   R   ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9  USE=gnome java
 xprint -debug -ipv6 -mozdevelop -xinerama 0 kB
 [ebuild   R   ] gnome-base/gnome-light-2.12.0  0 kB

 As you see, I do have GNOME installed, and the gnome USE flag does
 still appear in the Firefox prospective emerge output.


 | Runtime Dependencies
 | mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9
 |
 | gnome = gnome-base/gnome-vfs - 2.3.5

 | Title:   gnome-vfs
 | Description: Gnome Virtual Filesystem

 So enabling the gnome USE flag adds a runtime dependency on the GNOME
 virtual file system.

 Which sounds an awful lot like something that might affect dialogs.

 However, since there were a lot of complaints about the old dialog, I
 strongly doubt that disabling this flag would change the dialogs
 terribly significantly, except that you wouldn't have the GNOME extras
 that I mentioned before. It's quite likely that even the naked new
 dialog is a lot like the current GNOME dialog.

 And again, the likely reason that there is no reference to GNOME in the
 ebuild is because the references to GNOME integration and compatibility
 are *in the source code*, because the *Mozilla developers chose* this
 dialog *as the default* (but not the only) choice of dialog. That is
 their good right, just as it is your good right to change that if you so
 desire (since that is apparently quite possible to do).

 Ebuilds don't do anything but compile the code as given, with some
 slight modification to work within the Gentoo system (as opposed to the
 RedHat system or the SuSE system). Ebuilds certainly don't change things
 as integral to the operation of the program as the format and type of
 file dialogs.

 I suppose you could trawl through the source and see where this is set
 and then write an ebuild to make the choice of file dialog type a
 configure option-- maybe. If it's already a configure option. Which I
 doubt. But you could look.

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Re: [gentoo-user] usb1 performance out of usb2 external HD

2006-01-16 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/16/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 10:46 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
  Are you mounting with the sync option, or no?  Try it with, and
  without.  If you do it without, time what it takes to do the copy, and
  unmount.  unmount will do the actual sync.

 hey, that sped it up heaps!

 $ sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=iain,gid=users,async /dev/sdd6 /mnt/tmp/
 $ time { cp /usr/portage/distfiles/OOo_2.0.1_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz 
 /mnt/tmp/; sudo umount /mnt/tmp/; }

 real0m11.134s

 thats a huge increase (11s instead of 81s!), so how come hdparm still
 reports 9MB/s?

  I've noticed that linux in generall is extremely slow with USB devices
  sometimes.  My external USB2 (ATA 100) drive gets 27M/sec on my
  machine.  And with a relatively new driver, you should see speeds
  about like that.

 Is that calculating the times yourself, or with hdparm?

Yes, calculating myself.  And I don't know why hdparm would report
that other time.


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Re: [gentoo-user] usb1 performance out of usb2 external HD

2006-01-16 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/16/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 10:46 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
  Are you mounting with the sync option, or no?  Try it with, and
  without.  If you do it without, time what it takes to do the copy, and
  unmount.  unmount will do the actual sync.

 hey, that sped it up heaps!

 $ sudo mount -t vfat -o uid=iain,gid=users,async /dev/sdd6 /mnt/tmp/
 $ time { cp /usr/portage/distfiles/OOo_2.0.1_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz 
 /mnt/tmp/; sudo umount /mnt/tmp/; }

 real0m11.134s

 thats a huge increase (11s instead of 81s!), so how come hdparm still
 reports 9MB/s?

I'm wondering if we should be reporting this to the kernel guys.  I
see this on *all* linux systems with kernel 2.6, but I'm not sure
about 2.4.  But, I think I'll try enabling some options that Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] usb1 performance out of usb2 external HD

2006-01-16 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/16/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm wondering if we should be reporting this to the kernel guys.  I
  see this on *all* linux systems with kernel 2.6, but I'm not sure
  about 2.4.  But, I think I'll try enabling some options that Richard
  mentioned first.

 Kernel guys know it very well. They recently implemented the sync option
 for FAT filesystems, and this is turned on by default.

 Unluckly, sync is really OK for FAT partitions on an HD, but not for USB
 devices. I hope they will realize soon that not only it degrades
 performance of USB drives, but it also wears out flash memories really fast.

Actually, that's a good point.  All that writing to the FAT would use
those flash blocks a lot, which would indeed wear it out.

Windows does sync by default as well.  But, it's sync is extremely
fast for some reason.


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Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome

2006-01-15 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/14/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1/14/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The old version could disable gnome, but 1.5 can't.  Perhaps it's a
  firefox 1.5 ebuild limitation?  I hope that's what it is, because I
  can't stand gnome.

 False.

 carcharias rjf # ldd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin  | grep gnome
 carcharias rjf # emerge -pv mozilla-firefox

 These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

 Calculating dependencies ...done!
 [ebuild   R   ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9  USE=java -debug
 -gnome -ipv6 -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 0 kB

 -Richard

If you already have gnome installed, gnome won't show up unless you go
--tree, will it?  Either way, you can take a look in the ebuild file
for firefox 1.5, and there's no reference to gnome.  No checking of
the gnome useflag or anything like that. 1.0.7 has it though.


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Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome

2006-01-14 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/14/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Graham Murray wrote:
  Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  So the reason why the open/save dialogs are the same is because they use
  the same resources (GTK settings, many of which can be set in GNOME).
 
  Yet the previous versions of mozilla-firefox did not use this open/save
  dialog.

 Correct. So? Things change.

  Or is it an gtk upgrade which caused it?

 No. It is the gnome USE flag.

Well, it's not the gnome use flag because I disable gnome in my use
flags.  And besides, the firefox 1.5 ebuild does not use the gnome use
flag.  And I added it for testing purposes to see if I could prevent
it from being used.  I just copied from the older firefox.


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Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome

2006-01-14 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/13/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Trenton Adams schreef:
  Hi everyone,
 
  I'm just curious about something.  I installed mozilla-firefox-bin,
  and I got what I *thought* was the gnome open/save dialog.  And I
  absolutely I can't stand that thing.  So, I decided to compile
  mozilla-firefox for myself, as I have -gnome in my use flags.  Well
   for some reason, I still have that open/save dialog.
 
  So, is that a gnome open/save dialog, or is it something else?

 Yes, as far as I know, it is (though I myself do have GNOME installed).

 Firefox depends on gtk:
 (from www.gentoo-portage.com ; the compile-it-yourself version used for
 clarity, since even the bin has to be originally compiled by someone):


 Runtime Dependencies
 mozilla-firefox-1.5-r9

 |app-arch/unzip
 |app-arch/zip
 |dev-libs/expat
 |= dev-libs/glib - 2.8.2
 |= dev-libs/libIDL - 0.8.0
 |= media-libs/jpeg - 6b
 |= media-libs/libmng - 1.0.0
 |= media-libs/libpng - 1.2.1
 |= sys-libs/zlib - 1.1.4
 |= www-client/mozilla-launcher - 1.42
 |= www-client/mozilla-launcher - 1.39
 |! x11-base/xorg-x11 - 6.7.0-r2
 |= x11-libs/cairo - 1.0.0
 === x11-libs/gtk+ - 2.8.6
 |x11-libs/libXmu
 |x11-libs/libXmu
 |x11-libs/libXrender
 |x11-libs/libXrender
 |x11-libs/libXt
 |x11-libs/libXt
 |   = x11-libs/pango - 1.10.1
 |gnome = gnome-base/gnome-vfs - 2.3.5
 |virtual/x11
 |virtual/x11
 |java virtual/jre


 Firefox is a GTK application, so it uses the GTK toolkit (as opposed to
 the QT toolkit, which KDE uses).

The old version could disable gnome, but 1.5 can't.  Perhaps it's a
firefox 1.5 ebuild limitation?  I hope that's what it is, because I
can't stand gnome.


 GNOME is a GTK-based DE (as opposed to KDE which is QT-based).

 So the reason why the open/save dialogs are the same is because they use
 the same resources (GTK settings, many of which can be set in GNOME).

 I can't say if the extra features that I have because I have GNOME
 installed are present in your open/save dialog (bookmarked folders, for
 example).

 
  Is there going to be a way of NOT making it the standard open/save
  dialog when firefox 1.5 gets unmasked?

 Masking or unmasking is not going to change the source code, which
 depends on GTK. Only upstream can recode the program with a different
 toolkit. And that seems unlikely to happen, since it hasn't happened yet
 (and if the toolset was going to change, it probably would have before
 1.0, not suddenly now when the release is finally stable enough to be
 picking up steam fast in the popularity stakes).

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Re: [gentoo-user] mozilla firefox 1.5 and gnome

2006-01-14 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/14/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Trenton Adams schreef:
 
  The old version could disable gnome, but 1.5 can't.  Perhaps it's a
  firefox 1.5 ebuild limitation?  I hope that's what it is, because I
  can't stand gnome.

 No, it has nothing to do with the ebuild,  it's a choice of the
 Mozilla.org developers. But perhaps you missed Edwin Kapauni's post,
 linking you to a thread on the forums where they tell you how to change
 the dialog to either the old one, or even the KDE one.

 For ease of searching, here it is again:

 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2934098-highlight-.html#2931694

Yes, I missed that, thanks.  When a message is small, it's hard to
notice in gmail, amongst a bunch of other ones. :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags: mmx sse sse2

2006-01-13 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/12/06, John Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thursday 12 January 2006 18:45, Tom Smith wrote:
  Well, if they're /not/ mutually exclusive, another question that comes
  up is...
 
  If a program is compiled with sse or sse2 support on a Pentium II, will
  the program run slower than it otherwise would? (Some of the programs I
  have are compiled and then distributed to servers with different
  CPUs--P-IIs and P-IVs, mainly.)
 

 If a program uses an instruction that the processor doesn't support, the
 program will be sent SIGILL, the default action of which is to terminate
 immediately.

Are you absolutely positive of that?  I *thought* (would have thought)
compilers these days would compile in conditional use of such
instructions?  That way if large blocks could benefit from these new
instructions, they would use them, otherwise fall back to a common set
of instructions.  Of course this wouldn't be very beneficial for small
sections of code.  I've been wondering about this for quite some time
though, but never bothered to investigate.

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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flags: mmx sse sse2

2006-01-13 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/13/06, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually, mmx doesn't really mean anything:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMX

 mplayer and the X server gain performance by using these extensions
 (mmx, sse, sse2). One of the reasons why X is much faster in Gentoo
 than in Debian. (Personal Experience, please, no flames)

Yes, MMX is quite an improvement if actually used in code.  I once had
to squeeze microseconds out of some windows code that I was writing,
in order to speed up RS232 communication, and it made a HUGE
difference.  The code was originally taking a few ms, but I got it
down to a few hundred microseconds by using MMX.  MMX can operate on
64bit integers, where standard IA32 instructions can only operate on
32bit integers.


 2006/1/13, John Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On Friday 13 January 2006 07:45, Francesco Riosa wrote:
   Tom Smith wrote:
Well, if they're /not/ mutually exclusive, another question that comes
up is...
   
If a program is compiled with sse or sse2 support on a Pentium II, will
the program run slower than it otherwise would? (Some of the programs I
have are compiled and then distributed to servers with different
CPUs--P-IIs and P-IVs, mainly.)
  
   speaking of manually added options to CFLAGS*, not of use flags
  
   The only place where mathematics count on a server is encryption ?
   (notice the question mark)
   Mayor part of server software use integer math that are not so enhanced
   by optimizations.
   The code produced is less stable, and difficult to debug, this bring to 
   the
   question: why take the risk ?
  actually, mmx (MultiMedia eXtensions) , sse and sse2 instructions are 
  designed
  primarily for multimedia and gaming type applications, which _do_ use
  floating-point math, and AFAIK, encryption is going to be all-integer too
  (floating-point math is not perfectly precise)
 
  And, like I said earlier, if you put a program with an sse or sse2 
  instruction
  on a PII, the program will most likely spontaneously abort when it tries to
  execute the unsupported instruction.
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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo installer suggestions

2006-01-09 Thread Trenton Adams
Thanks Holly, I actually did already read a review.  I think it was
the link you sent.  Not sure now.  I'll check it out.

On 1/9/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tom Martin schreef:
  On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:09:14 -0700
  Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 For those developing the graphical gentoo installer...
 
 Might I suggest a search box at the bottom of the extra packages
 screen, to be able to search for packages?
 
 
 
  Probably a good idea to drop a mail to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and post to their mailing list.
 

 You might also be interested in reading this week's Gentoo Weekly
 Newsletter, which contains a short review/usage test of the installer,
 with screenshots:


  5. Gentoo in the press
  ==
 
  Asteria (December 2005)
  ---
 
  Jon Hood, a developer working for Asteria Solutions Group, Inc.[18] takes
  the current beta version of the Gentoo Installer[19] for a test drive
  around the block, and appears quite satisfied[20] with the result, calls
  it a wonderful step in the right direction for the Gentoo distribution,
  and is particularly delighted because people aren't supposed to actually
  USE testing software and have it WORK, but that's exactly what happened.
  His review includes a pretty little slideshow[21] documenting every step
  of the installation process when done via the GUI installer, very
  interesting for everybody who's never seen it at work.
   18. http://www.asteriasgi.com
   19. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/
   20. http://www2.asteriasgi.com/review/
   21. http://www2.asteriasgi.com/review/slideshow.html
 

  
  10. GWN subscription information
  
 
  To subscribe to the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, send a blank email to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  To unsubscribe to the Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, send a blank email to
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the email address you are
  subscribed under.
 
  ===
  11. Other languages
  ===
 
  The Gentoo Weekly Newsletter is also available in the following languages:
 
   * Danish[68]
   * Dutch[69]
   * English[70]
   * German[71]
   * French[72]
   * Korean[73]
   * Japanese[74]
   * Italian[75]
   * Polish[76]
   * Portuguese (Brazil)[77]
   * Portuguese (Portugal)[78]
   * Russian[79]
   * Spanish[80]
   * Turkish[81]
   68. http://www.gentoo.org/news/da/gwn/gwn.xml
   69. http://www.gentoo.org/news/nl/gwn/gwn.xml
   70. http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/gwn.xml
   71. http://www.gentoo.org/news/de/gwn/gwn.xml
   72. http://www.gentoo.org/news/fr/gwn/gwn.xml
   73. http://www.gentoo.org/news/ko/gwn/gwn.xml
   74. http://www.gentoo.org/news/ja/gwn/gwn.xml
   75. http://www.gentoo.org/news/it/gwn/gwn.xml
   76. http://www.gentoo.org/news/pl/gwn/gwn.xml
   77. http://www.gentoo.org/news/pt_br/gwn/gwn.xml
   78. http://www.gentoo.org/news/pt/gwn/gwn.xml
   79. http://www.gentoo.org/news/ru/gwn/gwn.xml
   80. http://www.gentoo.org/news/es/gwn/gwn.xml
   81. http://www.gentoo.org/news/tr/gwn/gwn.xm

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Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-08 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/8/06, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 08 January 2006 03:25, Trenton Adams wrote:
 
  So, there's documentation that specifically explains that packages can
  be split, and this can cause a conflict?  I tried to find that, after
 
 What? How is packages being split even comes in question and why does it need
 specific documentation? A conflict is a conflict. It can arise because of
 any new change that has been committed to portage. Man pages explain how to
 solve these conflicts. Job done!

 Now I don't understand how hand-picking each problem and then explaining about
 it is going to help. Documentation about a super-set is present. How will
 writing the same thing about each subset help the matter? If anything it will
 just increase the redundancy. What you want is a how to on climbing the
 stairs. Either you can write, Climb 1st step and then go step by step or
 you can write Climb 1st step, then climb 2nd step, then 3rd step, then
 climb...? Which one do you want?

 
  I dont' need most of gentoo's documentation, as I've found it quite
  easy to use, after learning and reading about a few basic things.  But
  not everyone does.
 
 Why? Why doesn't everyone else find Gentoo easy? What is it that differs you
 from others? Some super intelligence? The only difference between you and the
 others that I can see is that you chose to read while others don't.

Well, could be many things.  I've found fear of computers to be one
blocker to being better at computers than one can be.  Having fear
creates a mind block.  Another one could simply be lack of experience.
 The more experience you have, the more likely you are able to solve a
*new* problem quickly, as it could be related in some way.  Perhaps
you can call this intuition.  And I'm sure there are many more.

So no, not superior intelligence.  In fact, I don't believe in
*genius*. :)  Actually, I had a great debate about this topic with a
guy at work.  He worships people like Linus and such.  I told him that
even people like Linus, although intelligent, will happily admit that
they are products of circumstance.  And, to prove my point, I did a
search about Linus on this topic.  As it were, he wrote a book called
The Accidental Revolutionary, or something like that.  I've actually
been meaning to read it.  So, either Linus has false humility (which
is arrogance), or he means what he says.  I've also found that those
who think they are intelligent, usually are not. :D  As it were, I
believe Linus to actually be intelligent, only because he decides to
actually work, rather than sit on his butt all day.  But, that's all a
side tangent. LOL


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Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-08 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/8/06, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 08 January 2006 06:36, Trenton Adams wrote:
 
  Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu?  Give
  a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want
  to do extra packages, or whatever.  Or, even provide a dynamically
  extendable menu that can grab packages lists from other places, from
  another CD, floppy, Internet, etc.  So, to not provide a menu would be
  *limiting* as well.  But I do agree with you Holly, that providing
  *only* a *predefined* graphical menu for package installation would be
  limiting.
 
 Menu of what? How will a Gentoo developer know what you want to install? If
 you are starting from Stage 3, you just need to choose what to install and
 thats it. How will a menu help you in that? As far as graphics based Gentoo
 install is concerned. I don't think that it is even anywhere near Gentoo
 Dev's priorities right now.

Really?  Then why have they already created one? Hmm.


 
  Wouldn't it be beneficial to provide automated graphical installs for
  gentoo, but provide the option to open a graphical shell at *all*
  stages of the installation process?  Wouldn't that be ultimate
  flexibility?  I read about the new graphical install for gentoo, and
  perhaps it already does this!?!?
 
 Yes having a graphical install process would be great. Why don't you volunteer
 and try to write one for us? :)

Yeah, I would love to find the time to do that.  At this moment though
I don't have the time, as my wife would be upset with me doing extra
work when I come home from work after doing the extra work that I do
after coming home from work.  LOL.  But I certainly will when I get
the time.


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Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-08 Thread Trenton Adams
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/

On 1/8/06, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 08 January 2006 13:57, Trenton Adams wrote:
 
   Menu of what? How will a Gentoo developer know what you want to install?
   If you are starting from Stage 3, you just need to choose what to install
   and thats it. How will a menu help you in that? As far as graphics based
   Gentoo install is concerned. I don't think that it is even anywhere near
   Gentoo Dev's priorities right now.
 
  Really?  Then why have they already created one? Hmm.
 
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[gentoo-user] gentoo installer suggestions

2006-01-08 Thread Trenton Adams
For those developing the graphical gentoo installer...

Might I suggest a search box at the bottom of the extra packages
screen, to be able to search for packages?

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Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-08 Thread Trenton Adams
ROFL. :P  I'm just saying that there's *always* room for improvement. 
And this install thing is a good start.  Automation, with flexibility
intact, is never a bad thing.

On 1/8/06, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 08 January 2006 14:33, Trenton Adams wrote:
  http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/
 
 Looks great to me. Just didn't see any discussion on gentoo-dev or may be I
 missed it. So now what do you want then? You have a graphical based install
 and once you have a working system, you can install more packages. What makes
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Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-08 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/8/06, Ernie Schroder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 08 January 2006 03:23, a tiny voice compelled Trenton Adams to
 write:
  Well, could be many things. I've found fear of computers to be one
  blocker to being better at computers than one can be. Having fear
  creates a mind block.


 Why would someone with a fear of computers even consider Gentoo?

Who says they know they have a fear of computers?  You can be doing
something that you don't even know you're afraid of.  Obviously if it
was total fear, they would know about it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo installer suggestions

2006-01-08 Thread Trenton Adams
Thanks.  I will.

On 1/8/06, Tom Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 02:09:14 -0700
 Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  For those developing the graphical gentoo installer...
 
  Might I suggest a search box at the bottom of the extra packages
  screen, to be able to search for packages?
 

 Probably a good idea to drop a mail to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] and post to their mailing list.

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Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-07 Thread Trenton Adams
On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Saturday 07 January 2006 10:43, Trenton Adams wrote:
 
  which is what I mentioned in another post that I made.  When I
  originally started with gentoo linux, I read the part about why gentoo
  linux came about.  Basically it was all about doing things the way you
  want.  Well, I like the flexiblity, but I also want the simplicity. :)
   Let us have the simplicity of RedHat, and RPMs (waiting for flames),
  but with flexibility as well.
 
 You should review what you want out of your Linux Distro cos I for once am
 failing to understand your point of view. What do you want? Gentoo is gentoo.
 It gives you full control to do what *YOU* want to do and taking full control
 of a full fledged OS is needless to say; difficult. If you don't desire or
 need the full control then imho there are various other distros available
 with *simplicity* written all over them. They should be there at your
 service. But if Gentoo starts to uninstall stuff from my system without
 asking me then the whole philosophy of control dies or Gentoo dies.

I never said it should uninstall stuff without asking you.  In fact, I
suggested it ask me.  And gentoo is hardly difficult for anyone with
a brain.  *Perhaps* time consuming to learn, but not difficult.  And
as I said before, I'm using gentoo because of it's flexibility, so
that's what I'm sticking with.  In fact, all my Linux computers have
now been converted to gentoo, as of this past week.  So I don't plan
on switching them back any time soon.  I'm just of the mind that we
really should encourage it's use, while encouraging people to also
understand what's happening under the hood.  I like both that my car
just works, and I don't have to know how the pistons go up and down,
but that I can also look under the hood if I so desire.


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Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-07 Thread Trenton Adams
Interesting viewpoint, and some of the things you say do have
relevance Holly.  Thanks.  But, I still think things should be a
little easier for the average user.  I'm really sick of the windows
admins who *think* linux is hard, when it's really not, and bash it
all the time because of that.  I'm all for converting them. :)

On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Trenton Adams schreef:
  Oops, forgot to reply to everything.
 
  On 1/6/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Trenton Adams schreef:
 
  On 1/5/06, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:32:20 -0700, Trenton Adams wrote:
 
 
 
  something like
 
  if_blocked_by('openmotif') ewarn You must unmerge
  openmotif before proceeding
 
  Yes, or as follows...
 
  if_blocked_by('openmotif') auto_unmerge('openmotif') #
  continue with merge which should automatically be merging
  openmotif anyhow.
 
  Absolutely not! I don't want portage removing something I may
  be using at the time without my saying so.
 
 
  Good point.  Perhaps it should ask then?
 
 
 
  Well, it does, by stopping and waiting for you to perform an action
  and either restart the stopped process (if the action you took was
  to unmerge the blocking package), or to forego the stopped process
  entirely,  if you choose not to remove the blocked package because
  you want to keep it for whatever reason (it could happen).
 
  You're assuming that unmerging the blocking package is *always* the
   right solution for everyone at all times (in this case, it's not
  really relevant, since motif-config will itself re-install
  openmotif), but the point of Gentoo is that you are in control. If
  I am in control, then I have to decide what I want done in each
  particular situation that occurs, which is exactly what I have to
  do with the current setup-- very obviously, since Portage will stop
  until I make a decision and act on it. So fine, your new updated
  Portage informs me there's a block, and says, I could do this to
  solve it, shall I? I myself am going to say no, because I want
  to know the nature of the block, and how Portage's proposed action
  is going to affect the system that I have carefully customized to
  my individual needs.
 
 
  Yes, flexibility is GREAT.  That's one reason I really like gentoo,
  and linux in general.  However, I also like simplicity, or should I
  say, I like to have the choice.  So, one could easily make gentoo
  have auto-detect and handle features, while allowing configuration
  changes that disable automatic behaviour.  You could have individual
  enable/disable options for each feature, as well as one global
  feature than enables/disables all auto-detect features.  Then you
  could have include/excludes for each feature so that the global would
  not override them.
 
  So, the bottom line is this, one person says that things are
  difficult because they need to be, in order to be flexible.  But I
  say that if things are truly flexible, then it should also be
  possible to make them automatic, or simple.  That's what I call
  ULTIMATE flexiblity, which is what I mentioned in another post that I
  made.  When I originally started with gentoo linux, I read the part
  about why gentoo linux came about.  Basically it was all about doing
  things the way you want.  Well, I like the flexiblity, but I also
  want the simplicity. :) Let us have the simplicity of RedHat, and
  RPMs (waiting for flames), but with flexibility as well.

 Well, if this is your opinion, I must then accept the burden of being
 one of those members of the Linux community you mention

 Trenton Adams schreef:

  Yes, and I've noticed there's a big problem with the linux community
  at large.  People that know and understand linux have a lot of the
  times not helped the open source intiative, in that they like
  things to be difficult,

 Although this is not strictly true I don't *like* things to be
 difficult, /per se/ but I do tend to do things the hard way rather
 than the easy way

  because it makes them somehow seem smarter.  In all reality, it
  doesn't take a genius to use linux, just someone who likes to read a
  whole lot.

 I do like to read a whole lot (always have), and I don't so much care
 how smart anyone thinks I am, but if I am in any way smart, I do want
 that to be recognized, which is a different thing.

 But if you leave out the rather insulting insinuation that such users
 are not in fact smart, but ego-trippers who just have nothing to do but
 read dry technical texts that no normal person would ever bother with,
 I'll cop to the charge.

 The thing is, I prefer things to be slightly more difficult because I
 believe that people using advanced tools should have a clue about how
 they work and how to use them properly.

 As I have said before, and will likely say again in the future, I
 believe that a policy of providing advanced technology, dumbed-down so
 that it Just Works to the unwashed masses (let us

Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-07 Thread Trenton Adams
First off all, the install process is only a portion of making gentoo
*easier*.  At it is kind of a tangent to the original discussion. 
But, none the less, it is a good discussion.

On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Trenton Adams schreef:
  Interesting points, but
 
  On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote:
 
  I like both that my car just works, and I don't have to know how
  the pistons go up and down, but that I can also look under the
  hood if I so desire.
 
 
  Thinking on the wrong lines again and what you want can never
  happen, at least with Gentoo; because Gentoo does not give you a
  working car at all. It just gives you spare parts (ebuilds 
  packages), books to read (documentation) and a tool box (portage).
  Then it tells you to go ahead and make your own car. It totally
  depends on you whether you want to make it a blazing fast Ferrari
  or a classy Limo. To achieve anything of that sorts you *HAVE TO*
  know how the pistons go up and down. If you don't read and just put
   together the pieces in a random order then you might make a moving
   car but it will not be a working one. Moral of the story? To have
  full control, you gotta know how things work inside the engine :)
 
 
  Well actually, it could happen.  If I had a menu of packages to be
  installed during some sort of automated install process, then I'm
  still customizing my system the way I want.  So once again, you
  absolutely *CAN* have gentoo flexibility with easy of install

 Just a quick question:

 Isn't creating a menu of packages to be installed part of the install
 process?

 If not, because you did not create this menu yourself, then you are not
 customizing your system the way you want, but rather choosing the most
 suitable for you amongst a list of pre-defined-- thus, by definition,
 limiting-- options.

Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu?  Give
a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want
to do extra packages, or whatever.  Or, even provide a dynamically
extendable menu that can grab packages lists from other places, from
another CD, floppy, Internet, etc.  So, to not provide a menu would be
*limiting* as well.  But I do agree with you Holly, that providing
*only* a *predefined* graphical menu for package installation would be
limiting.

Now, I'm just brain storming here...

Wouldn't it be beneficial to provide automated graphical installs for
gentoo, but provide the option to open a graphical shell at *all*
stages of the installation process?  Wouldn't that be ultimate
flexibility?  I read about the new graphical install for gentoo, and
perhaps it already does this!?!?


 If you did create the menu of packages yourself, and it then is (as it
 must be) considered part of the installation process, then isn't the
 installation process no longer easy, by your definition of easy?

Well, this is a side tangent, given my reply just above.  None the
less, all of *my* installs from the point after I created my *own*
menu would be easy.


 Not quite following the logic here.

 Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

2006-01-07 Thread Trenton Adams
Sorry, I shouldn't have said, Here we go again, as that can be
antogonizing, which doesn't help anything. :(

On 1/7/06, Trenton Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First off all, the install process is only a portion of making gentoo
 *easier*.  At it is kind of a tangent to the original discussion.
 But, none the less, it is a good discussion.

 On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Trenton Adams schreef:
   Interesting points, but
  
   On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote:
  
   I like both that my car just works, and I don't have to know how
   the pistons go up and down, but that I can also look under the
   hood if I so desire.
  
  
   Thinking on the wrong lines again and what you want can never
   happen, at least with Gentoo; because Gentoo does not give you a
   working car at all. It just gives you spare parts (ebuilds 
   packages), books to read (documentation) and a tool box (portage).
   Then it tells you to go ahead and make your own car. It totally
   depends on you whether you want to make it a blazing fast Ferrari
   or a classy Limo. To achieve anything of that sorts you *HAVE TO*
   know how the pistons go up and down. If you don't read and just put
together the pieces in a random order then you might make a moving
car but it will not be a working one. Moral of the story? To have
   full control, you gotta know how things work inside the engine :)
  
  
   Well actually, it could happen.  If I had a menu of packages to be
   installed during some sort of automated install process, then I'm
   still customizing my system the way I want.  So once again, you
   absolutely *CAN* have gentoo flexibility with easy of install
 
  Just a quick question:
 
  Isn't creating a menu of packages to be installed part of the install
  process?
 
  If not, because you did not create this menu yourself, then you are not
  customizing your system the way you want, but rather choosing the most
  suitable for you amongst a list of pre-defined-- thus, by definition,
  limiting-- options.

 Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu?  Give
 a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want
 to do extra packages, or whatever.  Or, even provide a dynamically
 extendable menu that can grab packages lists from other places, from
 another CD, floppy, Internet, etc.  So, to not provide a menu would be
 *limiting* as well.  But I do agree with you Holly, that providing
 *only* a *predefined* graphical menu for package installation would be
 limiting.

 Now, I'm just brain storming here...

 Wouldn't it be beneficial to provide automated graphical installs for
 gentoo, but provide the option to open a graphical shell at *all*
 stages of the installation process?  Wouldn't that be ultimate
 flexibility?  I read about the new graphical install for gentoo, and
 perhaps it already does this!?!?

 
  If you did create the menu of packages yourself, and it then is (as it
  must be) considered part of the installation process, then isn't the
  installation process no longer easy, by your definition of easy?

 Well, this is a side tangent, given my reply just above.  None the
 less, all of *my* installs from the point after I created my *own*
 menu would be easy.

 
  Not quite following the logic here.
 
  Holly
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[gentoo-user] odd portate BINARY_HOST behaviour after sync

2006-01-06 Thread Trenton Adams
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Fetching binary packages info...
Loaded metadata pickle.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/bin/emerge, line 3123, in ?
mydepgraph=depgraph(myaction,myopts)
  File /usr/bin/emerge, line 915, in __init__
portage.db[/][bintree].populate((--getbinpkg in myopts),
(--getbinpkgonly in myopts))
  File /usr/lib/portage/pym/portage.py, line 5931, in populate
self.remotepkgs =
getbinpkg.dir_get_metadata(settings[PORTAGE_BINHOST],
chunk_size=chunk_size)
  File /usr/lib/portage/pym/getbinpkg.py, line 440, in dir_get_metadata
filelist = dir_get_list(baseurl, conn)
  File /usr/lib/portage/pym/getbinpkg.py, line 297, in dir_get_list
listing = conn.nlst(address)
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/ftplib.py, line 448, in nlst
self.retrlines(cmd, files.append)
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/ftplib.py, line 395, in retrlines
resp = self.sendcmd('TYPE A')
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/ftplib.py, line 241, in sendcmd
return self.getresp()
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/ftplib.py, line 214, in getresp
raise error_temp, resp
ftplib.error_temp: 421 No Transfer Timeout (5 seconds): closing
control connection.


Now here's the great part.  If I remove
/var/cache/edb/remote_metadata.pickle, everything works great.  But,
if I try it again the next time, it fails with the above errors.  Then
I remove the remote_metadata.pickle again, and it works.  Any clues on
this one?  It looks like it's having some sort of active FTP problem
perhaps?  But why would it work when I remove the pickle, but not
afterwards?  This is just very bizarre to me.  Does it not use active
FTP the first round or something?

All I've got to say, is that really weird things are happening, LOL.

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