Re: [Gimp-developer] I need help about CMYK on gimp

2011-05-23 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
-- cut -- The agrreded idea among GIMP developers is that CMYK as an _image editing mode_ will not be implemented in GIMP. Where as there maybe in the future more straightforward ways foreasier CMYK separation and printing. That is due to the fact that CMYK is more the mapping to inks of

Re: [Gimp-developer] I need help about CMYK on gimp

2011-05-23 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: One final thougt: CMYK support subject was touched more than once on this list, but I think we should consider much broader view on the matters of printing. CMYK is only most often used set of colorants

Re: [Gimp-developer] GEGL Editor - Idea for GSoC

2011-04-04 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
W dniu 11-04-01 23:55, Marek Rogalski pisze: Hello, everybody. I have a quite simple proposal for this year GSoC: make a nice editor for GEGL pipelines. Why do we need it: because the GEGL eats XML files. GIMP could eat them too. It would introduce much greater reusability in the work of

Re: [Gimp-developer] Announcing AdaptableGIMP

2011-03-12 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On 03/12/11 00:03, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: It seems most promising! Best regards! thebodzio ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer What

Re: [Gimp-developer] Announcing AdaptableGIMP

2011-03-11 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
It seems most promising! Best regards! thebodzio signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
or better yet: Lab? ;] Anyway CMYK is neccessary too... W dniu 2011-03-08 10:08 użytkownik Ofnuts ofn...@laposte.net napisał: On 03/08/2011 08:46 AM, Olivier wrote: 2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com ... Could you explain why retouching photos should be made in RGB rather

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
We are not speaking about the same thing. The fact that you want to change some channels in some color model does not mean that the internal representation of images must be based on this color model. True, it doesn't. You need tools for generating a proper CMYK representation of you image,

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com wrote: Olivier olecarme at gmail.com writes: 2011/3/8 Michael Grosberg grosberg.michael at gmail.com Debi Rapson drapson at mansd.org writes: Can you point me in the direction of a list of places that actually

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/8/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: When you define a color using the color chooser, I suppose you work in HSV, not RGB? In fact, most of the time I use CMYK color chooser. Since we got carried away

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/8/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: Since we got carried away from the topic anyway, I keep hearing users complaining about various bits of GIMP still not color managed, most notoriously -- filter preview

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Øyvind Kolås pip...@gimp.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: have nice black background. Most of the times CMS will try to simulate that with all colors while it's better to use e.g. just full black and cyan

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: Considering the use cases where fine grained control over the resulting offset plates/actual ink used for C,M,Y,K to be a subset of the more general cases where individual ink control is desired (spot-colors

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
I could think of fully hardware accelerated rendering. Most modern hardware provides accelerated rendering and many tools could be speed up significantly. The CPU just doesn't scale well when it comes to current image resolutions and some brush types (smooth, smear, etc.). Also the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On 2/13/11, LightningIsMyName wrote: I'm starting this thread to list ideas for Google Summer of Code 2011, for the GIMP project. Since in the last year collecting ideas was done partially by the mailing list, let's try it again this year and keep most ideas here. In 2009 and 2010

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On 03/08/2011 07:50 PM, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Bogdan Szczurekthebod...@gmail.com wrote: I also have high hopes for GEGL, but I'd rather have it use some more abstract color model for that. I know it's not so simple—maybe even undoable–that way, but I do

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
I could think of fully hardware accelerated rendering. Most modern hardware provides accelerated rendering and many tools could be speed up significantly. The CPU just doesn't scale well when it comes to current image resolutions and some brush types (smooth, smear, etc.). Also the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
- vector layers and drawing geometric primitives [1] I'm not convinced of the notion of vector layers. Sure they can be nice addition but I fear they'll end up being quite frustrating. I think so because to make them as ellastic and usable as in vector graphics editors one'd have to

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
I really miss some basic vector functionality in Gimp. In my last works i used Inkscape and Gimp together. Drawing sharp outlines in Inkscape, exporting them to PNG and imported them into Gimp again, to work with brushes and colors. Basically i used Inkscape to create Alpha-Layers for

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Yes, but why use RGB at all if one can use e.g. XYZ from the start? So wide RGB would also require greater than 8 bit depths to work satisfactorily (HSV, HSL or Lab do quite nicely even with 8 bits per component). I think one consolation is possible backward compatibility with some other

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-03-08 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Bogdan Szczurek thebod...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a dream about visual editing program consisting of different components, each taking care of one of presentation aspects with one underlaying rendering engine (target aware angine—I don't like cairo's

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP vs Photoshop

2011-03-07 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Our school system appears to be headed for using GIMP as a way of teaching our students about graphics. Can you point me in the direction of where I would go to get GOOD tutorial information about GIMP so that I can properly teach it? Can you point me in the direction of a list of places

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Roadmap - wiki page

2011-03-03 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
... elision by patrick... How about having (hideable of course :)) on-canvas infos? IMHO that would be even fancier. Infos could be aligned with control that modifies them. Numerical input could be done similarly on-canvas. I think hovering pointer above e.g. rotation control and

Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP Roadmap - wiki page

2011-03-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
I'm a little uneasy at the moment about the ban working with numbers for transformations comment. It would be nice (IMO) to have a dockable that displays the numbers of the transform tool's current selection and transform, and also applies numerical input to the transform tool.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-03-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Users who have a comment on the list should raise it now. The ideas list was divided in to two parts, as discussed on IRC. Developers who wish to make small corrections should feel free to do so, but please do not move projects between the lists / add/remove projects or do any other major

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-02-26 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
And let me throw in another thing. It's been in my head for some time but now I think it's good to show it to the world. Just in the matter of shear curiosity: I'd like to see some conceptual work/code/working example/whatever about automatically configurable grid processing. It may be

Re: [Gimp-developer] Pencil Tool

2011-02-26 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
I've begun working on GIMP documentation so GIMP is on my mind a lot lately. So, I have a suggestion - remove the pencil tool, and instead, add a checkbox to the brush tool with an antialiased label. I'd go even further with that: make “antialiased” one of specific brush settings, not the

Re: [Gimp-developer] Google Summer of Code 2011 - Project Ideas/Suggestions

2011-02-24 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Great thing to bring this up! cut Implement the free transform tool For exact specifications, see: http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Transformation_tool_specification Oh yeah, thumbs up for that! :) cut Replace the GimpSizeEntry widget Right now both the code and the UI is a mess. The

Re: [Gimp-developer] Square brushes

2011-02-03 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
And hi one more time! Couldn't we have a square (and square fuzzy) brush by default on Gimp or it's out of the scope/vision/something else of the product? I think that solid, one-color, vector-based brushes would be even better to have. They would make square, round, oval and you-name-it

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-02-02 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On 2/2/11, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: different after all. Please don't be mad at me for saying that for I don't intend to offend anybody. Nobody's mad at you :) And I said that to be sure that nobody will be :). I see where you are coming from, I even spent some time in the past

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On 02/01/2011 06:25 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Michael Grosberg wrote: I will refrain from expressing my opinion on undocumented, undiscoverable features. Now only a help page is needed. I think I'll go and join the Gimp-Docs mailing list and take

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
As it was stated before, making applications act similar doesn't turn out in familiarity, but in a percepction of incompleteness. The most our applications looks like others, the most former users of other applications will spot what's missing, perceiving differences as limitations. When I

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 17:16 +, Michael Grosberg wrote: Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoudine at gmail.com writes: *sigh* http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/etc/ps-menurc Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org I will refrain from expressing

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Michael Grosberg grosberg.mich...@gmail.com wrote: Add a single For Photoshop users page to the help file. There, tell users how to change the menurc file so they have photoshop-like keys. This won't change the application in any way, and will enable those

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop ?compatibility? mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
And all this conversation is because you think CTRL+Backspace makes more sense than CTRL+. (because you're used to that combination) and you don't want to take 30 seconds of your time to personalize the accelerators? Seriously? If think so then I'm afraid that you didn't read my posts

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 01:43 +0100, Bogdan Szczurek wrote: The thing is, that we concluded that permamenet transition or even occasional use of Gimp would be much more appealing for Ps-bred guys (like me ;)) if one would have

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-02-01 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Furthermore, collaborating with Inkscape *instead* makes a lot of sense, because GIMP + Inkscape are a usual combo. Blindly reusing shortcuts from old Adobe products doesn't make a lot of sense. Blindly—yes. But proposition is not to do it that way. My reason is: I want to promote GIMP to e.g.

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-01-31 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Actually, I intended this thread to be about “Photoshop «compatibility» mode” (quotation marks to emphasize that I meant only particular kind of compatibility :)). I'm afraid the conversation went a bit off-topic since I didn't suggested changes in _default_ shortcuts scheme for GIMP. What I

[Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-01-29 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Hi! Lately I've been discussing with a collegue of mine some differences between Gimp and Photoshop and how long-time Ps user feel when seated in front of Gimp. I know… I know… the neverending subject, but I'm not trying to start the flame again, so… please keep your matches and petrol away ;) —

Re: [Gimp-developer] Photoshop “compatibility” mode

2011-01-29 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
Hi! Lately I've been discussing with a collegue of mine some differences between Gimp and Photoshop and how long-time Ps user feel when seated in front of Gimp. I know… I know… the neverending subject, but I'm not trying to start the flame again, Do you genuinely expect us to believe

Re: [Gimp-developer] Megapixels counter

2010-09-30 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
I can certainly see that showing size in megapixels can be useful for our target user base. We're even lucky enough to have the prefect char 'M' free for it. So I have pushed a cleaned up version of your patch (that only uses 1 decimal) to git master: That's great news! Thanks for accepting

Re: [Gimp-developer] Megapixels counter

2010-09-29 Thread Bogdan Szczurek
There's a small thing that I missed in GIMP for some time. That thing is a megapixel counter to add to window title or status. Hi! IMO we need to make it easier than editing a complex format-string to get this info in the window title. Well… I haven't thought of that, to be frank,