Re: [GO] sequels/series
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [GO] sequels/series > Pam writes: > > I wondered when book sequels & series first became common? . . .Series > feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything much before Alcott / > Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs? Ellen suggested > The earliest I can think of at the moment are The Fairy Bower and The > Lost Brooch by Harriett Mozley, both published in 1841. Charlotte Yonge > saw them as the inspiration for the whole genre of books for girls. > I've not read Sandford and Merton but the publication dates are 1783-1789 so I assume it was published in several volumes. I don't think we are ever going to come up with an official 'earliest sequel' ! There's also Through the Looking Glass which hasn't been mentioned. There's also Leila books of the 1840s (the first is 1839, the second 1842 - I've been looking through Gillian Avery !). But I think American children's writers have always been more series conscious - as well as Alcott, there's Katy and Elsie. And there has never been a British equivalent to the Stratmeyer (sp) syndicate books - the nearest is some of the story papers which would draft in subsitute authors when the main one was on holiday. I don't own the Phantom Friends guide to series but IIRC that includes quite a few nineteenth century books. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] my e-mail address
Hi all! I seem to have finally managed to set up my e-mail successfully so it should work normally from now on. I anyone has any problems, please let me know. Thanks! Janferie -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Re: Girlsown Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75
My great grandmother's sister was Althea pronounced Al-thee-a with a soft th. She shortened it to Thea, but pronounced Thee (soft th again), not The-a. I read Thea as The-a normally though just as I do Irene as I-rene rather than I-ren-e even though I've only ever known I-ren-e used. Lisa -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Rachel and Pauline
Would I be right in thinking that Rachel (and Jane Winter) are no less typical of actresses in getting their big break through being 'in the right place at the right time' than Pauline Fossil's more gradual progress? Lisa -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Princess magazines
Guess who's bought a whole boxful of Princess magazines? They are the very GOish story papers containing stories, cartoon strips, letters, all sorts of stuff. I've got about fifty of 'em now, dating from 1963 to 1965. I think they're only 24 pages each but never mind. One of them contains a full colour (!) pinup of Cliff Richard which ought to send me weak at the knees. Some of them have offers for clothes available by mail-order and mostly they are awful. Equally awful knitting patterns are printed too. Plenty of serial stories, almost every issue has a Sue Day cartoon, but also there are bits of stories by Streatfeild, Aiken, Hazel Armitage, Pat Smythe, all sorts. Plenty of ballet - something about ballet in just about every magazine. I used to read these magazines when I was 8 or 9, going through the stacks left in the shed of our house by the previous owner. Dad threw them out. This is revisiting childhood with a vengeance. Georgie -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] BD Sweet Violets
Barbara's fascinating notes on mothers illustrated most of the uses of illnesses in children's books that Dorian and the subsequent discussion had put forward. What strikes me reading Eva's notes on DFB, and contrasting them with the other authors so far mentioned, Haverfield and LMM particularly as well as some of the various American ones covered by Christine, is that DFB uses illness in many of the *plot-progressing* ways outlined by Dorian, but unlike the others, she seems not to use illnesses in the other way of varying the emotional tone, tugging heart-strings, as the others do. There are no bedside crises. If EBD etc have *more* illness in their books than real-life would have indicated at the time, surely DFB has *less* than would be representative of the times. And she doesn't even seem to use them as a way of illustrating character, indicating stoicism etc. Why? Sally -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] (GO) Izzie - WAS Sara/h
Sandra said: I know I am going to have enough trouble stopping people calling my Isabella "Izzy" (shudders). I have a granddaughter called Isabelle who is always called Issy (pronounced Izzy). When she was born I kept quiet like all grandmothers should but was perturbed at the thought of Issy rather than Belle or Bella but of course it is part of her now and she is just our Issy. I guess it was the thought of Aunt Izzie in WKD. Oddly enough I have a grandson called McKenzie and everyone (including his parents) assumed he would be called Mac but this rarely happens, he is always called by his full name. His two year old brother Alastair is called Alec by his parents, which I think is a shame as I love Alastair as a name. Elaine M -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Tolerance - was something else but I'm not sure what
In a message dated 14/11/2004 04:02:21 GMT Standard Time, Diane writes: >NB: Sue, what is true tolerance as opposed to laxness? I mean, how can you tell? < Well, I suppose I'm not authorised to do so (Judge not...), but in principle I'd say that if it hurts, it's tolerance. The word is from 'tuli', the perfect tense of 'ferre' (IIRC), meaning 'to bear' - like bearing a burden. Sue -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
In a message dated 14/11/2004 04:02:21 GMT Standard Time, Pam writes:
>I've just finished watching UK terrestrial TV's premiere of 'Bridget Jones'
Diary' and noted the links between it and 'Pride & Prejudice' (didn't spot
the plot links on my first viewing at the cinema - doh!!). Anyway, given BJD
has a sequel ('Edge of Reason'), although P & P doesn't, I wondered when
book sequels & series first became common? I know the Bible & Shakespeare
have several, but I meant in modern (20th century) fiction - especially
children's stuff. Series feature largely in GO fiction - was there anything
much before Alcott / Montgomery / Oxenham series & Brazil's pairs?<
I can't help on girls' stuff generally, but as far as girls' school stories
are concerned, I think the prototype in that genre is Raymond Jacberns
(you're looking at late 19th/early 20th here): she - it was a pseudonym -
doesn't
have a series quite in the modern sense, where a set of girls are followed
through their school career, but she does follow up individuals and schools in
various books, and there is a definite sequence. If you're looking for pairs,
L.T.Meade is the earliest I've discovered so far: A World of Girls has a
sequel. There may well be earlier pairs/series, but I don't know of them, and
would be glad of any contributions here for the second edition of The Book
(GGBP are planning a paperback edition).
Sue
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Re: [GO] sequels/series PS
I ought to qualified 'girls' school stories' by 'British and Commonwealth' at some point - while the American girls' school story is very interesting (and, given 'What Katy Did at School', very important for the development of the British genre), the Book, and my knowledge, is mostly confined to these islands and our old Empire. Sue -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] The Book
would be glad of any contributions here for the second edition of The Book (GGBP are planning a paperback edition). Sue I'm so pleased GGBP are planning a paperback edition. I'm looking forward to finally having a copy after hearing so much about it. Cheers Beth from NZ -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
Ellen said: >Charlotte Yonge herself was a great one, if not exactly for series, at >least for linked novels. The first in her group was Scenes and >Characters published in 1847, but over the years she kept introducing >characters from one book into another until by the time she wrote Modern >Broods in 1900 the characters from a large number of her major novels >had become related to one another by marriage So THAT'S where EJO got her ideas from!!! Pam K -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Tolerance
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >>NB: Sue, what is true tolerance as opposed to laxness? I mean, how can >you tell? < > >Well, I suppose I'm not authorised to do so (Judge not...), but in principle >I'd say that if it hurts, it's tolerance. The word is from 'tuli', the >perfect tense of 'ferre' (IIRC), meaning 'to bear' - like bearing a burden. Qui tollis peccata mundi, then. So to tolerate a sin is to bear its burden - and bear it away? - from the sinner? Fascinating. Much more interesting than what I was getting at. I suppose what I meant was can you tolerate something while trying to convert/change/reprieve/expel it or them? If eg I tolerate kids letting off fireworks in my street in the sense of saying 'Boys will be boys' through gritted teeth, but also mention it to their parents or the police, has my tolerance failed? Bringing this back on topic, this too is a common GO dilemma; what is tolerance and what is merely slack, as in Dimsie Head Girl. -- Diane Purkiss -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
Yes Nicky is right. If one broadens the category to children's books more generally, one can find examples of series/sequels even back in the 1780/1810 period. I have just pulled from the shelf two tiny little books with marbled-paper covers that I'd almost forgotten I had. One is called "Frank/In Four Parts/PartIII/ Eighth of the Series of Early Lessons by Maria Edgworth" and is dated 1803. The other is Frank Part IV. I'm not sure if her Harry and Lucy stories (mentioned I think in Little Men) began as a series, but according to Copac they were issued as Practical Education in 1780, and the Copac lists suggest she went on writing others to follow. I'm not so sure about Sandford and Merton being a series, though. Copac lists a number of copies in libraries with the date 1783, and then a 1790 "fifth edition, corrected". There was also an abridged edition "embellished with elegant plates" published in 1790, but no suggestion of anything that could be seen as a sequel. Ellen Jordan University of Newcastle Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintle's Wonders
Me: I found the unfairness of the court of honour distressing in Autumn Term. I think it was one of the first books i'd read where things didn't come right in the end. Mostly I still miss out on the whole rickyard/court of honour when I reread. Janice Pat wrote: > Hi Marcia & others, I wonder what you found distressing in AF's Autumn > Term - can you remember? I have just read it again and wonder if it was the > unfairness re the expulsion from Guides. Regards, Patricia > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintle's Wonders
I only have a 1995 paperback called Dancing Shoes - assume that there is not too much difference from the original. I think that the mis-understood jealousy is a bit clumsy and unnecessary (NS often seemed to add these sub-plots).The very unfairness of Mrs W is the sort of thing that appeals to the young readers, and seeing Dulcie fall is a great delight. Maybe NS is trying to let children know that it is OK to "sell yourself". Barbara -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] OT - sorry
If Pamela Gallen is around, would you email me off-list about a book I bought from you? Thanks. -- Helen_A -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] sequels/series
- Original Message - From: "Ellen Jordan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [GO] sequels/series > > I have just pulled from the shelf two tiny little books with > marbled-paper covers that I'd almost forgotten I had. One is called > "Frank/In Four Parts/PartIII/ Eighth of the Series of Early Lessons by > Maria Edgworth" and is dated 1803. The other is Frank Part IV. I'm not > sure if her Harry and Lucy stories (mentioned I think in Little Men) > began as a series, but according to Copac they were issued as Practical > Education in 1780, and the Copac lists suggest she went on writing > others to follow. > > I'm not so sure about Sandford and Merton being a series, though. Copac > lists a number of copies in libraries with the date 1783, and then a > 1790 "fifth edition, corrected". There was also an abridged edition > "embellished with elegant plates" published in 1790, but no suggestion > of anything that could be seen as a sequel. > According to the DNB it "was published in three volumes (1783, 1786, and 1789), it tells how rebellious Tommy Merton, the spoilt son of a wealthy plantation owner from Jamaica, and his friend Harry Sandford, the poor but worthy son of a local farmer, are patiently educated by the Revd Mr Barlow-and how Master Tommy is brought, by precept and self-discovery, to see the error of his ways." I don't know enough about 18th century publishing to know whether each volume is complete in itself - I would assume so.but don't know for sure. Has anyone read the book ? It was still being read at the end of the 19th century (I think there's a joke in Three Men in a Boat about a very good boy being nicknamed Sandford and Merton). Probably a lot of early novels that we think of as complete were actually published in more than one part (see Little Women/Good Wives which are thought of as all one book in the US though they were definitely published as two) I remembered Edgeworth but I'm not sure if that is the same thing. Aren't the individual Harry and Lucy stories all self-contained short stories (I like some of her children's stories enormously especially The Little Merchants, set in Italy and the Frank and Rosamund stories. Alcott was a big fan - Lazy Laurence, used as a chapter heading in Good Wives, comes from Edgeworth). Interestingly the DNB article on her hardly mentions her children's stories at all. I would have thought that insofar as she is remembered now, it is because she is discussed in histories of children's literature, rather than for her adult fiction which may be influential but probably isn't read except by those doing university courses on The Early Novel. Perhaps she needs an Andrew Davies adaptation to get her on the map again. You can find some of her stories at http://www.gutenberg.net/etext/3655 including The Barring Out which is a famous early boarding school story. Sadly though I can't find The Purple Jar which is probably her most famous story. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Stratemeyer Syndicate
What about the Animal Ark series? They are written by 'Lucy Daniels', who doesn't exist - in fact, they're written by various authors in a very uniform hack-work style. Even the name Daniels was a marketing tool; it was chosen for library shelf proximity to another writer about animal stories, name beginning with D, name temporarily escaping me.. There is another series called the Sleepover Club - can't now recall name of author (definitely having a senior moment!) but I've sometimes wondered if they too are syndicated - they're tremendously formulaic. Belinda -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Violets BD: Sick mothers in GO fiction part 1
[There are some spoilers for The Daisy Chain coming. If you haven't read it, it is a top read so do try it!] Thank you, Barbara and everyone who has written an article so far. I hope the lack of criticism in the last few days isn't disappointing - I think it is actually a compliment, as no one is disagreeing, just reading with enjoyment! Anyway, hoping to do my bit. One book that I thought of while reading Barbara's article was The Daisy Chain. Mrs May doesn't really count as a sick mother, as she was killed outright at the beginning of the book, but this leaves her elder daughter, Margaret, to be a sort-of proto Katy, an invalid elder sister of a long family who adopts the elder sister/mother role so beloved by EBD, among others. Like Katy, she runs has the reins of the household firmly gripped in her small but capable hands, all the time while confined to her bed. Also in The Daisy Chain, illness and death as a punishment are illustrated by Flora's baby. Flora married for money, and was punished by the poor health and subsequent death of her baby. It later transpired that the baby was being fed laudanum by its nurse, to keep it quiet. The ultimate royal sick mother might be the last Tsarina - she seemed to lurk around being non-specifically ill a lot. I wonder what was actually wrong with her, does anyone know? Depression? Other sick mothers: (and apologies if they have already been mentioned): Diggory's mother in The Magician's Nephew; Will's mother in The Subtle Knife; the mother in The Railway Children. I wonder why sick mother's are more appealing than sick fathers? Fathers tend to me abroad working or something, rather than ill. I can think of Gwen's father in Mallory Towers but not any others - there must be SOME, surely? Natasha -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] BD Sweet Violets
Sally Dore wrote: What strikes me reading Eva's notes on DFB, and contrasting them with the other authors so far mentioned, Haverfield and LMM particularly as well as some of the various American ones covered by Christine, is that DFB uses illness in many of the *plot-progressing* ways outlined by Dorian, but unlike the others, she seems not to use illnesses in the other way of varying the emotional tone, tugging heart-strings, as the others do. There are no bedside crises. The character building is more on the side of the characters who must take on responsibility because of somebody else's absence - not only illness or accidents - like Daphne gaining a new confidence in herself. Or, showing up as incompetent for responsibility. DFB is more interested than EBD in the building of plots based on the interaction of leadership and friendship inside the school community and illness is only one of the devices she uses for creating such situations. Peggy's situation in New House Captain is similar to that of Daphne even if Diana is physically well and present. If EBD etc have *more* illness in their books than real-life would have indicated at the time, surely DFB has *less* than would be representative of the times. And she doesn't even seem to use them as a way of illustrating character, indicating stoicism etc. Why? I have no real theory why. Her mother was an invalid for many years, so she had experience of illness, but perhaps she thought she had enough of if in RL? DFB seems to have used different aspects of illness and accidents when they suited her plots. The epidemic is an important plot device in New House Captain. Being somewhat delicate is part of the characterisation of Nicola Carter, which is used again as an important plot device in Captain Anne. But she's doing her best to ignore her delicacy. (I must confess this method suits me better, who grew up as a badly delicate child and never liked reading much about illness ) As I suggested, DFB is less Victorian than EBD in many aspects, though EBD shows rather modern attitudes in some politic issues. But I think the idfference is mainly due to DFB's basic interest in the interaction of characters and plot. Eva Margareta (suffering from an ordinary banal cold) -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] DF Bruce
Avital wrote: I've just read my first Dorita Fairlie Bruce book, The Girls of St Bride's. I loved the book, but think the girls sound pretty awful on the whole, only liking people if they have done anything "for the school". And as for the "sneaking", if the other girls' lives were at risk then Winifred/Cynthia should have been thanked. I like Morag and Christine though, hope they don't become too St Bride-ish later on. I'm not sure whether you'll be disappointed when you read the next book, Nancy at St. Bride´s, Avital. The St. Bride's/Nancy series is rather complex; only three of the books are set at St. Bride's - with several years between them - and the rest in Maudsley Grammar School, a day school in south England, and the last one in Scotland during the War. The Girls of St. Bride's was evidently not intended as part of a series, as the idea of a series from the same school was more or less founded by DFB, with the Dimsie books, and EJO by this time. Girls of St. Bride's plays the same part as a 'prequel' to a series as Girls of the Hamlet Club. Nancy at St. Bride's is a retrospective book about Nancy's first term at St. Bride's, before she gets to Maudsley. It takes place several years after GOSB, when Christine is a prefect; Morag has left school but appears briefly in this book. Nancy Goes Back is set several years later again, when Nancy returns for a last year and meets some of her contemporaries from her first sejour. I'm not sure if Christine in the second book turns into what you call 'St. Bride-ish' GOSB is very much about how Morag, Cynthia and the juniors fights against what must be the tendencies you dislike in the other seniors - some of them are not intended to be very nice -. Don't you even like Christine's set among the juniors? I'm not wholly sure I undersand exactly what you mean by 'St. Bride-ish'; being too obsessed about what you can do for the school is very common in school stories, for good or bad. Girls of St. Bride's is one of my favourite DFBs, both for the setting and atmosphere and the skilfull handling on the plot. Inchmore is in this book said to be in the Outer Hebrides, but it's seen from the two later books that it's really Great Cumbrae in the Firth of Clyde - which is sometimes counted among the Inner Hebrides - opposite Largs, which, as 'Redchurch' and 'Colmskirk', is the centre of DFB land in Scotland. Eva Margareta DFB Website: http://home.swipnet.se/flickbok/bruce.html I'm afraid I haven't had time to finish the short summaries I was rash enough to promise long ago In reading order: The Girls of St. Bride's Nancy at St. Bride's That Boarding School Girl (Maudsley) The New Girl and Nancy (Maudsley) Nancy to the Rescue (Maudsley) The Best Bat In the School (Maudsley) Nancy in the Sixth (Maudsley) Nancy Returns to St. Bride's (Maudsley) Nancy Calls the Tune -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Sick fathers
As soon as I posted, I thought of Dr Carr - was he sick or just old? - and Emily of New Moon's father has consumption before shuffling off. Natasha -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] early series/Sandford & Merton etc
As luck would have it, I actually have a first ed 1789 copy of Vol 3 of Sandford & Merton (though sadly not vols 1 & 2). It is quite definitely one continuing novel in three volumes rather than three complete stories later put together as one; Vol 3 starts out with reference to events in the previous volume but without explanation, thus: 'While these scenes were passing, Mrs Merton, though ignorant of the danger of her son, was not undisturbed at home.' It's a lovely edition with publisher's adverts at the back, from which we learn that the original 3 volume set cost 10s 6d bound. Serial at a stretch, given the length of time between publication, but series definitely not. Re Nicky's ref to Edgeworth's The Purple Jar, this is the first of 17 moral tales about a little girl Rosamond; collected in one volume in my 1856 edition. Great reading - poor Rosamond is a moral failure and ends up a sadder but wiser (and duller?) girl on 17 separate occasions. Belinda -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Violets BD: Sick mothers in GO fiction part 1
>>I wonder why sick mother's are more appealing than sick fathers? Fathers tend to me abroad working or something, rather than ill. I can think of Gwen's father in Mallory Towers but not any others - there must be SOME, surely? Natasha<< Noel Streatfeild does sick/injured fathers, in fact several plots hinge on them: Painted Garden, Caldicott Place & the father in Gemma not being able to play the violin but I forget if that was car crash or illness. I'm pretty sure EB has a few as well. The father In Jean Little's Mama's Going to Buy You a Mocking Bird is also ill. In the conclusion of her interesting paper, Barbara said: >>The one constant is that most girls love their mothers, however inadequate they may be, and that the fear of loss of a parent is one of childhood's greatest dreads. Illness will therefore always be a staple plot tool for writers who want to stir the reader's emotions<< The removal of *parents* is, IMO, one of the chief features of kidlit, whether this allows children to enjoy a greater freedom than they would have under the normal restraints of family life, or it sets them on a quest to find their parents, or it simply allows them to experience the world away from the family. As a literary device, the illness or disappearance of one or both parents often serves as a catalyst for change. Usually the children have to rise to the occasion and grow up quickly; often the family has to relocate or a child has to sacrifice her career/wishes for the good of the family/health of the mother. Barbara has pointed out a number of these, but a few more came to mind. (As you have all discovered by now, none of the F&LLs are in any of these...) AoGG gives up her plans for University because of Marilla's failing eyesite. (I think one could say the Anne saw Marilla as a mother, no?) The mother's illness in the Railway Children is the introduction to The Old Gentleman One sick mother that has not been mentioned (in this context) is Mrs Linton. Her illness drives the plot in The CS & the LIntons. Other CS pupils' mothers who are also suffering/breathing their last at the San, not merely mentioned in passing include Princess Balbini & Audrey whatsits mum. And what about Margot Venables, tho she doesn't do a lot of visible languishing, but dies neatly off-stage, as it were? Claire -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] early series/Sandford & Merton etc
- Original Message - From: "Stephen Copson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: [GO] early series/Sandford & Merton etc > As luck would have it, I actually have a first ed 1789 copy of Vol 3 of > Sandford & Merton (though sadly not vols 1 & 2). It is quite definitely one > continuing novel in three volumes rather than three complete stories later > put together as one; Vol 3 starts out with reference to events in the > previous volume but without explanation, thus: > > 'While these scenes were passing, Mrs Merton, though ignorant of the danger > of her son, was not undisturbed at home.' > > It's a lovely edition with publisher's adverts at the back, from which we > learn that the original 3 volume set cost 10s 6d bound. > > Serial at a stretch, given the length of time between publication, but > series definitely not. The full text is at http://www3.shropshire-cc.gov.uk/etexts/E000276.htm - where does Vol 3 begin so we can see if Vol Two ends on a cliffhanger (will Tom neglect his studies or will he get his Latin grammar done ? Tune in in three years time for the thrilling conclusion) Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] crying and BD
I cried in all the books you have mentioned but also in the Blyton books such as those dreadful children where the mother is ill and the children at red roofs. I seem to cry more as I grow older, is it because you feel more affected by all the tragic things? Caroline Tabach [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.3.0 - Release Date: 13/11/04 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] streatfield
I was always fond of When a siren wails as in the year before last of primary school, we learnt the second world war with a fabulous history teacher who also ran the book club. On the other hand, although saw the TV series I cant stand the book called Carrie's war. However for some strange reason I have never come across wintels wonders. Caroline Tabach [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.3.0 - Release Date: 13/11/04 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Sick fathers
Mr. Underwood in Charlotte Yonge's "The Pillars of the House" has consumption, and dies a pious death early in the book, but not before giving his wife 13 children in 16 years, which evidently doesn't do very much for *her* physical or mental health. The father in Mary Mapes Dodge's "Hans Brinker, or the Silver Skates" has brain damage from an accident at work, and is miraculously cured by an operation after 10 years. There are a number of recent books where a father is ill. In Jean Little's "Mama's Gonna Buy You a Mocking Bird", the father has cancer and dies during the book. In Linda Newbery's "Ice Cat", the father has an unspecified chronic illness. In Helene Pielichaty's "Jade's Story", the father has depression. A bit earlier, Noel Streatfield's "The Painted Garden" and "Caldicott Place" both feature fathers who are ill as a result of what would now probably be called post-traumatic stress disorder. There are also some books where a father's more acute illness is used as a plot device; e.g. Noel Streatfield's "The Growing Summer", where the children stay with Aunt Dymphna because their mother has to go to be with their sick father. Ann In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tom & Tash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As soon as I posted, I thought of Dr Carr - was he sick or just old? - and > Emily of New Moon's father has consumption before shuffling off. > > Natasha > > > -- > > Girlsown mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For self-administration and access to archives see > http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown > For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Stratemeyer Syndicate - Sleepover Club
Belinda wrote: There is another series called the Sleepover Club - can't now recall name of author (definitely having a senior moment!) but I've sometimes wondered if they too are syndicated - they're tremendously formulaic. I found one of those in a charity shop some time ago - very odd English children's books turning up but hardly ever any really interesting one - and was going to ask GO about them. This one is Sleepover Girls on the Range, by Fiona Cummings, Collins, 2000; no 30. 'Original series characters, plotlines and settings c Rose Impey 1997.' It's set in England but has an American feel. There are PC features like the rich benevolent Indian businesswoman Mrs Chandri, who sounds more likely in the UK, however. So I'm curious to know more about this series which I'd never heard about before. I'm not sure whether to ut this for sale or keep it as an example of modern girls' fiction. Eva Margareta -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Violets BD: Sick mothers in GO fiction part 1
I think perhaps sick fathers may be different in that in many GO familiies a sick father may mean loss of a breadwinner. That obviously leads to another possible plot opening, with the family coping with a channge in economic cicumstances. One sick father is Mr Atherton in A Headgirl's Difficulties, who is apparently unable to work after WWI. Lisa - Original Message - From: "Tom & Tash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Barbara Dryden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [GO] Violets BD: Sick mothers in GO fiction part 1 > I wonder why sick mother's are more appealing than sick fathers? Fathers > tend to me abroad working or something, rather than ill. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Wintle's Wonders
I dislike stories where exceptional talent suddenly breaks out (like Joey Bettany. Writing is very much a sideline, to be done occasionally, until she leaves school. Certainly not "the breath of life" to her!). But Rachel *doesn't* suddenly develop acting talent. Remember in the play (Wind in the Willows) in Folkestone, where she was Ratty, but Hilary was only a Wild Wood-er? The teachers there must have seen talent in her then. I suspect that she was excellent in the play at the end because she felt at home in the part. A sequel to Wintle's Wonders might have shown Rachel having less success in other roles, because they didn't suit her as well. This isn't meant to be argumentative, Nicky - it's just that I've been re-reading the book, and I noticed the early evidence of her talent. Allison [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- nicky smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I only read Wintle's Wonders as an adult and liked > it up until the last chapter > when Rachel suddenly becomes a fabulous dramatic > actress. Which I hated because > it seemed as if NS had spent the whole book saying > that artistic talent wasn't > everything and there were many different sorts of > achievement (and kudos to her > for letting Hilary do musical comedy. I'm sure Lorna > Hill would have been > horrified) and then in the last chapter she says > that really Rachel has the > most important talent of all. I wanted her to be > like Petrova or Myra and good > at something else or just be a nice person with no > particular talents. But if > I'd been a child, maybe I would have gone with the > fantasy more. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Teas and Translation
I had the same reaction to you in expecting the plot to go in that direction. I thoiught it was a very entertaining book, if not the most plausible of plots (g). Lisa S - Original Message - From: "Constance Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Girlsown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:28 AM Subject: [GO] Teas and Translation Having > very much enjoyed The Honour of the School, I recently read the Cinderella > Girl by E.M. Channon, which has a sort of cooking theme. ... > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > Have I read too many books where girls marry men twice their age? At the > beginning, I was sure Stacy would eventually marry Agatha's handsome father, > Sir Humphrey Phayre, and thus be rescued from her woeful life. When I > realized he had financial troubles, that was clearly not going to happen, > and then the man committed suicide, spoiling his eligibility to be Prince > Charming to Stacy's Cinderella. It was very thoughtless of him... > > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Pronunciation of Sarah - phonetically or otherwise
Mm, just read some interesting emails. The type that have me shouting & waving 'over here mates'. And the type that I have to comment on, you have left me know choice I'm afraid. Isn't 'S-air-ra' the same as Sera ?? If it isn't, then what is it? Calm down now girl, and get to the point. I have noticed two different ways of saying 'Sarah', one way (my way) is 'Sera'; the other way is 'Sara' (where the a is pronounced as an a). Now, since I went to primary school with a Sarah/Sally (of the Denny type) I could see that for some reason the was a completely unphonetical way of writing my name. However, I always assumed that meant all those without the silent 'h', were pronounced how it was written. How wrong was I - it seems there is at least one Sara who calls herself Sera. You know, when I found that out I just stood there. I simply could not take it in, luckily I didn't go by instinct & scream as I was in a room full of people, but really. Have you English no sense at all when it comes to phonetism? Why can you not say things as they are written? Why must I always have to find myself being forever corrected as to how you say these things? There is one thing I would like to ask of you all, could you remember that are a few of us who have been brought up to pronounce every syllable of every word & in the same way. We have out stresses (if there are any, which I doubt) at the start of the sentence, with a rise in tone at the end, regardless of what it consists of. I do find all theses comments about where the 'stress' goes in a word confusing. I'm not even sure, I have it's meaning correct. And if you going to mention somewhere, do remember that I may think you mean a completely different place. Take care, Sera Mair Owen Roberts Pronounced exactly how you see it; with no hidden letters, or with syllables that sound different to they look -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Unfairness in Autumn Term - was Wintle's Wonders
Thanks for the comments, Janice. I agree that the rickyard/expulsion incident is distressing even to an adult - it is interesting to hear the perspective from someone who read the book as a child. What I find interesting reading it now is how cleverly AF makes clear who the real "winners" and :"losers" are - Lois loses her friendship with Jill, she is ticked off and made to feel a worm by Miss Redmond, admits her own culpability in a bitter aside, and it is made clear later that Lois never fulfils her potential as a patrol leader and her Patrol is a rabble afterwards. The incident has ruined Guides for Lois as well. The chapter is called Court of Honour, the issue is indeed "honour" - Lois has none - and Nicola and Lawrie still have theirs. What a genius AF is! Steel yourself next time, Janice, and give it a go. But childhood feelings are hard to overcome. Patricia I found the unfairness of the court of honour distressing in Autumn Term. I think it was one of the first books i'd read where things didn't come right in the end. Mostly I still miss out on the whole rickyard/court of honour when I reread. Janice Pat wrote: > Hi Marcia & others, I wonder what you found distressing in AF's Autumn > Term - can you remember? I have just read it again and wonder if it was the > unfairness re the expulsion from Guides. Regards, Patricia -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Sick fathers
Lorna at Wynyard's dad is ill and then dies. From my reading of this, he has been ill a while. --- Tom & Tash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As soon as I posted, I thought of Dr Carr - was he > sick or just old? - and > Emily of New Moon's father has consumption before > shuffling off. > > Natasha > > > -- > > Girlsown mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For self-administration and access to archives see > > http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown > For FAQs see > http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm > = Ange ___ Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality. Get Yahoo! Mail www.yahoo.co.uk/10k -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Re: school Christmas plays
The year that I worked in a Special School in London, we did a "Rock & Roll" Christmas - I can't quite remember it all, but the the kings came on Motor bikes (well, electric wheelchairs to be strictly accurate) Then, in PNG we had to have Jospeh on the Donkey & Mary dragging it (the donkey had wheels & he couldn't walk very well) & 1 of the Kings arrived on a Tractor. Emma On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:39:16 -, Kate Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Having said that I am running out of ways to ring the changes on the > Christmas play. We've done Christmas round the world, Christmas in history, > Christmas carols, Christmas customs, and last year we did a version of "A > Christmas Carol", with quite a lot of licence taken with the plot (e.g. five > spirits instead of three!) I am thinking of having a TV-documentary theme > this year with a Year 6 film crew reporting on events from Bethlehem and > interviewing the protagonists. > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Fwd: [GO] Dr Jack and Drink Spiking?
Sorry, hit "Reply" rather than "Reply All" -- Forwarded message -- From: Emma DW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:44:08 + Subject: Re: [GO] Dr Jack and Drink Spiking? To: "nicky.j.wade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Ah! Of course! Only one step down from God : Without wanting to > pre-empt / spoil, Jane Harris has written a fascinating piece in this > quarter's FOCS mag which makes, indirectly, the point that certainly in > the Tyrol days, only adults were dosed, not the girls. The rest of my > response on this has, I'm afraid, to go to FOCS for next time!! > > NickyW Let's hope I get that bit to proof read then :) THanks to whoever pointed out A Chalet Girl in Trouble by the way - I read it the other evening - couldn't stop :) Incidentally, what I did which made it easier to read I thought, was to download the "Printing" version, open in Word, then save in MS reader format (you need a plugin for Word for that, & I think that you have to have WOrd XP or greater), then read it in MS reader - which I find much easier for reading on screen. Emma -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Book buying in Suffolk
Just got back from a really great long weekend in Suffolk, and wanted to say thanks to those GOers who gave me good advice and directions for where to find bookshops, etc! We did loads of walking and driving about, it was cold but lovely and sunny and autumnal, and some of the places we went to were extremely picturesque! We also happened to get to Bury St. Edmunds just as the crowds of celebs were leaving John Peel's funeral. (so I saw Feargal Sharkey and was able to admire Elton John's floral tribute). As far as bookbuying goes, the large secondhand bookshop near the cathedral in Bury St Edmunds was quite interesting but didn't have much of interest in the children's section. On Saturday morning we went to a book fair in Clare, and also to Clare's 3 secondhand book outlets - for GOers reference, Clare Books had quite a few interesting children's books including a nice hardback of "The Blakes Come To Melling". Trinders bookshop is mainly non-fiction arts and crafts books, nothing of GO interest. The book section of the Antiques Centre had lots of collectable Rupert annuals and Noddy books, etc, but nothing for me. Investigated the church bookstall in Lavenham, but still no luck. (though we did have a fabulous French lunch at the Great House Hotel, which I thoroughly recommend to passing GOers). I finally struck lucky in Sudbury, when my book-buyer's radar led me to glance down a side alley and see a sign for the Parade bookshop, just off North Street. Had a great time browsing in there. The children's section was not too large but good quality, plus they had a lot of very nice picture books. I bought five books, including a beautiful Eleanor Farjeon in d/w for me, a rare 60s Noggin the Nog for my sister's collection, and a hilarious picture book to read to my class (couldn't resist, it's basically the Trojan War only with a giant wooden carrot full of angry rabbits instead of a wooden horse). They did have about 12 different Seagull Oxenhams in nice dustwrappers but I am not an EJO person so I left those. I then glanced at the adult fiction and found both the Georgette Heyers I needed to complete my matching editions set of 70s Pan paperbacks (yes I am that sad!) so all in all a satisfactory haul.There were also a great many Suffolk charity shops I heroically refrained from going into. Luckily my husband so enjoyed his tour of the Greene King brewery that he didn't moan about all the book-shopping diversions at all! Kate D. (batteries now recharged for long week of school). -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] PLEA FOR EB BOOKS ON TAPE
Does anybody know if EB's St Clare's or Malory Towers are available on tape? I know of a girl whose condition means that she can't read for long, but can listen. She has "read" the Famous Fives. I'd love to find her something . Barbara -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] PLEA FOR EB BOOKS ON TAPE
- Original Message - From: "Barbara Ann BROWN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Girls Own" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: [GO] PLEA FOR EB BOOKS ON TAPE > Does anybody know if EB's > St Clare's or Malory Towers are available > on tape? I know of a girl whose condition > means that she can't read for long, but can > listen. She has "read" the Famous Fives. > > I'd love to find her something . > > Barbara > Indeed they are. See http://www.talkingbooks.co.uk/. The company also has a large shop in Wigmore Street if you want to browse. Nicky -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Fw: [GO] PLEA FOR EB BOOKS ON TAPE
Oh - I am delighted. Nicky Smith replied by return, giving me details of the "The Talking Book Shop" site. Many thanks to Nicky Barbara - Original Message - From: "Barbara Ann BROWN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Girls Own" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:14 PM Subject: [GO] PLEA FOR EB BOOKS ON TAPE > Does anybody know if EB's > St Clare's or Malory Towers are available > on tape? I know of a girl whose condition > means that she can't read for long, but can > listen. She has "read" the Famous Fives. > > I'd love to find her something . > > Barbara > > -- > > Girlsown mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For self-administration and access to archives see > http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown > For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Re: Sweet Violets - on topic, but not BD
The current BD subject is especially poignant for me as I have a good book-friend currently receiving hospice care. I know that many Girlsowners have had periods of illness, and I would welcome any suggestions you might have on how to relieve the tedium of being confined to bed with a body that doesn't work, hands which can't hold a book for long, and a mind that is working only too well? We've suggested audio books, and tomorrow I'm going to send her a book of quizzes and crosswords that she can pick up and put down, but she is particularly fond of EJO and EBD's books, so quizzes featuring these would almost certainly go down well. If anyone has any book-related quizzes that they have done with their local groups and would be happy for me to print and send to her I would be grateful to receive them offlist. Betula - who'd never make a GO heroine; not being in the *least bit* stoically accepting of the serious illness of a friend. -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Pronunciation of Sarah - phonetically or otherwise
Sera, To my shame, whenever I've seen your name on GO posts, I have 'slurred' over its pronunciation - i.e. not really read it, but assumed it was something exotic and foreign and therefore unpronounceable. I really had no idea it was the same as Sarah - and yet, it's so obvious, now you've pointed it out!!! Pam K -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] 'Seven Little Australians' DVD review plus TV series background
SEVEN LITTLE AUSTRALIANS DVD set Review 10-episode miniseries first shown on ABC TV in 1973 Available from ABC shops now or online. BACKGROUND Ethel Turner's best selling novel, 'Seven Little Australians', continuously in print for more than 105 years, was the subject of an ambitious made for TV series back in 1973. Co-produced by Ethel Turner's son Adrian Curlewis, this was always going to be close to the novel and such was the case. The series was much loved in its time, and regularly shown via 16mm prints to appreciative audiences in later years. Often the subject of "when will it become available on DVD?" queries, the ABC issued it this month as a twin disc set with a couple of extras. THE STORY In a nutshell, it's the story of the Woolcot Family of Sydney in 1894. Captain Woolcot having lost his wife had remarried a much younger girl, bringing to the marriage 6 children. Another had come from the new marriage, so that the Captain felt it necessary to run the family with army discipline. However his rules and regulations were no match for the fun loving children, led by the redoubtable Judy. It takes a tragedy to eventually bring the family together. THE DVDs The series has undergone a total restoration by the national archive, most likely providing better viewing than was possible when it was first released. Total running time is close to 5 hours and we watched the two discs over two nights. The second disc includes a segment from 'Weekend Magazine', the newsreel which used to follow the ABC news at 7.20pm on Sunday nights. This extremely interesting item has interviews with Ethel Turner's son, cast members, the scriptwriter and includes a nostalgic shot of the children's shelf in a Sydney bookshop. It also gives behind the scenes shots of the production. Plus a gallery of Ethel Turner family photos, backed by the lady herself reciting one of her favourite poems. OVERALL A 'must have' for any lover of the book which it so closely follows. Top recommendation. This 10-episode mini-series, a masterpiece of its time, still stands up as a shining achievement of dear old Auntie in her prime. It's been given a restoration and probably looks better now than when it was first transmitted 30 years ago. Barbara and I viewed the close to 5 hours over two nights and barely moved from our seats. The 'Weekend Magazine' segment of behind the scenes interviews was a treat in itself. For all ratings out of 10, see my DVD section on http://www.collectingbooksandmagazines.com/home.html THE CAST Elizabeth Alexander plays Esther Woolcot. Elizabeth, born 1952, most recently played Dr. Alison Newell (as Liz Alexander) in 'All Saints'. Mark Clarke plays Pip Woolcot. (IMDb) Born 1959, Mark's first break in television came in 1973 with 'Seven Little Australians'. He followed this the following year with a lead role in the ABC'S 'Where Did all the Magic Go?' in which he played a disillusioned youth from a broken home. He continued to act, mainly in bit parts for television, through the rest of his school years and throughout those of his university days. He became a secondary teacher in 1981 and continues to teach English and Drama to this day. Even though Mark has been a full time teacher he has continued to write music and scripts throughout the years. He has written eight musical comedies, several of which play regularly in amateur theatre companies and in schools across Australia and New Zealand. He has won several awards for songs in a variety of categories including: Children's; Novelty; Pop and Australiana. More recently, Mark has turned his hand to screenplay writing and is currently seeking interest in a sci-fi /horror script he wishes to place in the American market.(IMDb mini-biography by Mark Clark.) His father named him after General Mark Clark who led the Italian Campaign in World War Two. He went to school in Sydney, New South Wales. His primary (elementary) education was at Burnside Public School in Parramatta. Then he attended Cumberland High School in the same area. Later, he attended Macquarie University where he studied English, History and Drama and received a Bachelor of Arts and a Diploma of Education. He appeared in some advertisements in 1972. American producer, Charles Russell, saw one of them and found out who he was. This led to him being cast in the role of Pip in the ABC's television series of 'Seven Little Australians' in 1973. He was a decent cricket player in his youth, but his love of music and of songwriting took his attention away from that sport when he was seventeen. He still writes songs and performs in bands to this day. Jennifer Cluff plays Judy (Helen) Wolcott. Born 1956 in Mudgee, New South Wales. Sometimes credited as Jennifer Bennet, her most recent screen credit was as Coco in 'The Nugget' (2002). She also appeared in the TV Series Brenda... aka "Simone de Beauvoir's Babies" (1997). Also
[GO] Buffy ep names
> > I never see any titles of the Buffy episodes, so I never know where I am when > titles are mentioned. > Sorry if anyone has replied to this; I get digests at work and as it's Monday morning I have about 10 still unread that came in over the weekend! Anyway, the episode names don't actually appear on the episodes themselves; you can get them easily, though, by googling "buffy episode guide" and stacks of sites come up where you'll find them listed. Judith (how far off topic is Buffy?!) Judith Ridge Editorial Staff The School Magazine PO Box 1928 Macquarie Centre NSW 2113 AUSTRALIA +61 2 9889 0044 (ph) +61 2 9889 0040 (fax) ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] Defending Jonathan :-)
On 14/11/04 2:32 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Is this the same Jonathan who's part of the three villains later? > > He's in a lot of episodes. A few examples: In Inca Mummy Girl the Inca > Princess tries to drain him; there's an episode where he decides to gun > down everyone from the Clock Tower Sorry to be pedantic, but he's actually planning to suicide (although why he needs such a high powered weapon to do so escapes me!). Buffy thinks he's going to kill everyone because she heard someone in the cafeteria say they were going to do so. Turned out to be the cafeteria lady planning to poison everyone. Judith, who spends way to much time with her DVD player Judith Ridge Editorial Staff The School Magazine PO Box 1928 Macquarie Centre NSW 2113 AUSTRALIA +61 2 9889 0044 (ph) +61 2 9889 0040 (fax) ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] SLA on DVD
On 15/11/04 11:18 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SEVEN LITTLE AUSTRALIANS > DVD set Review > 10-episode miniseries first shown on ABC TV in 1973 > Available from ABC shops now or online. Thanks so much for posting this information. I am sure I would have heard about it sooner or later, but I'm so delighted that this is now available! Judith Judith Ridge Editorial Staff The School Magazine PO Box 1928 Macquarie Centre NSW 2113 AUSTRALIA +61 2 9889 0044 (ph) +61 2 9889 0040 (fax) ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] GO: The appropriateness of controversial subjects
Hi Allison May I be catty for a moment? Not about you, natch. Laffing - you certainly wouldn't be the first I was one of those who e-mailed Eleanor offlist, But are you gonna stand up in prayers & say so? Wimp! (s'ok - it's not worth it - this time) but it *wasn't* a very positive e-mail. It was filled with (to paraphrase Harriet Vane) a deadly courtesy, which any careful reader would have picked up. She didn't, as it happens, from her response to me offlist and the e-mail below. So I'm very amused by this claim of Eleanor's! I *had* kind wondered who these 'positive messages' had come from - I was sort of expecting they'd been Handed Down From On High. Or maybe OOAO Meredith, tho she's been strangely silent lately & I suspect Jim of the trusty voltmeter has finally done her in. I'm not surprised she didn't get it - Eleanor's none too bright as well as having practically all her screws loose (did you follow the links to her kitten site?). I only talk to people like her *on*list where I can be as rude as I like cos she won't get it but everybody else will. Deadly courtesy is obviously wasted upon her. My post was akshully a dare (as so many are) cos I was too tied up with Real Life to really enjoy the Pullman Pummel & post at the right time. I am waiting to be Moderated - and trying to think of ways to steer legitimate discussions into strange paths that the pres won't see until it's too late. Ok, ok, I am not a nice person & I'm akshully very pleased that they've finally decided to pay attention, but it's such a *lovely* challenge. Claire > >>Yes, well, I can also say that every message I > received personally was very > positive, including some from self-avowed liberals. > And a few expressed > fear of going public to avoid being attacked as I > was. > -- > Eleanor << > > Eleanor, your guy *won*. So what's the problem? > > Claire -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
[GO] BD - WSVS and Beany Malone (with spoilers)
I finally received my Beany Malone books late last week (and yep, I spent the weekend reading 13 and a half of the 14 books). Having been reading the WSVS papers with great interest and enjoyment (congratulations everyone on your hard work BTW), I noticed that there are a number of unwell characters presented and was mentally linking the discussion themes with the Beany Malone Books. The mother of the Malone children is dead before the series opens and their father is often absent. Check box for children bringing themselves up and able to do stuff without appropriate supervision. One of Beany's good friends, Rosellen, had polio as a child. When she is introduced she is in a wheelchair, throughout the series she graduates to crutches. Rosellen is a graduate of the school of pain. She is portrayed as wise and helpful to her friends, as well as being a happy, good natured girl who is an inspiration (in sort of a "what would Rosellen do?" way) and always the life of any party. An undercurrent throughout the books in which Rosellen appears is her struggle with coming to terms with her weakness. She recognises that she will never get better, but hides this from her family who are very hopeful that soon she will be walking with only a cane. Several scenes show friends carrying Rosellen upstairs where she can't otherwise go in her wheelchair, she is also shown coming downstairs on her bum as she is nervous about putting weight on her bung leg once she graduates to crutches. Another of Beany's friends, Kay, has a different kind of health problem once she grows up and gets married. In a more old fashioned GOish sort of illness, she becomes very anemic when she is working too hard while pregnant. She never really recovers. This is obviously her punishment for eloping S P O I L E R S P A C E What I found really interesting was that when Rosellen finally does die, her brother Andy is angry. Not stoic and accepting as seems to be the accepted way in British GO books, but go crazy off the rails mad at God angry and resentful. Kay ends up dieing of leukemia. The author obviously never did forgive her for her unladylike behaviour. Cheers Di -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] GO: The appropriateness of controversial subjects
Thank you SO much. Who are the stupid ones now? At least I check where my responses are going to. I don't show two different faces, one in private and one in public. Your rudeness reflects on you, not on me. Have a nice day. At 07:50 PM 11/14/2004, claire wrote: Hi Allison May I be catty for a moment? Not about you, natch. Laffing - you certainly wouldn't be the first I was one of those who e-mailed Eleanor offlist, But are you gonna stand up in prayers & say so? Wimp! (s'ok - it's not worth it - this time) but it *wasn't* a very positive e-mail. It was filled with (to paraphrase Harriet Vane) a deadly courtesy, which any careful reader would have picked up. She didn't, as it happens, from her response to me offlist and the e-mail below. So I'm very amused by this claim of Eleanor's! I *had* kind wondered who these 'positive messages' had come from - I was sort of expecting they'd been Handed Down From On High. Or maybe OOAO Meredith, tho she's been strangely silent lately & I suspect Jim of the trusty voltmeter has finally done her in. I'm not surprised she didn't get it - Eleanor's none too bright as well as having practically all her screws loose (did you follow the links to her kitten site?). I only talk to people like her *on*list where I can be as rude as I like cos she won't get it but everybody else will. Deadly courtesy is obviously wasted upon her. My post was akshully a dare (as so many are) cos I was too tied up with Real Life to really enjoy the Pullman Pummel & post at the right time. I am waiting to be Moderated - and trying to think of ways to steer legitimate discussions into strange paths that the pres won't see until it's too late. Ok, ok, I am not a nice person & I'm akshully very pleased that they've finally decided to pay attention, but it's such a *lovely* challenge. Claire > >>Yes, well, I can also say that every message I > received personally was very > positive, including some from self-avowed liberals. > And a few expressed > fear of going public to avoid being attacked as I > was. > -- > Eleanor << > > Eleanor, your guy *won*. So what's the problem? > > Claire -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm -- Eleanor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Cherry Ames Page, http://www.cherryamespage.com Authors and Books for Children, http://www.elliemik.com Refined Ladies, http://www.refinedladies.com -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
RE: [GO] Irene
Susan D I've known a few Irenes and the only way I've heard it pronounced is without the e at the end. Perhaps it's another difference in countries such as Cheryl being pronounced as Sh here, at least as far as I've ever heard. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 14 November 2004 7:14 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [GO] Irene > . > I read Thea as The-a normally though just as I do Irene as I-rene rather > than I-ren-e even though I've only ever known I-ren-e used. > Lisa -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
