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Hey, shall I translate this and put it up on kafila for Keralappiravi? Will
someone have issues abt the pics?
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The page 3 ones who sits and drink scotches and vomit in their
luxurious flushes is a luxury.
The representation is pathetic. Devika please do not translate and if
at all do not exhibit the photos please..
On Oct 22, 12:32 pm, ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
there are some other
Where did the photo go?
Anivar
On Oct 22, 12:32 pm, ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
there are some other kinds of snakes who have national claim to be THE
SNAKE. but those fotos may not be available for circulation. It would be
very kind to organise a national excibition once THE WE get
exactly !!
*when will we wake up to the class-caste prejudices that are deeply embedded
in our jokes, images and analysis
*
jenny
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Anil Tharayath Varghese
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The page 3 ones who sits and drink scotches and vomit in their
luxurious
Jokes are almost always about our class-caste prejudices. Can anyone suggest
a politically correct joke please?
Or is it that people can't joke in this part of the world?
2008/10/22 jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exactly !!
*when will we wake up to the class-caste prejudices that are deeply
Is camera permitted inside Press Clubs.. I mean to get very politically
sensitive pictures of toothless but radical *Pambs*... and if with sound
bites. it would've been very interesting..
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, James Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jokes are almost always about our
James not onle our class caste there are many prejudices
when i come across a politically correct joke Ill post it ok
first try laughing at one's self... this is a recommendation
On Oct 22, 2:43 pm, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is camera permitted inside Press Clubs.. I
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That's what I precisely said: jokes are all about prejudices.
I don't know if there is some other way of cracking a joke.
One fruitful question you can ask in this context is whether jokes
legitimise our prejudices.
But even then I guess the deconstruction of one set of jokes will result in
the
I am deeply disturbed by this joke, photos and the description and I wont be
able to theorize that pain...
Regards
Afthab Ellath
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Anil Tharayath Varghese
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James not onle our class caste there are many prejudices
when i
-- Forwarded message --
From: mihir bhosale [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/10/22
Subject: An open letter to Mr. Ratan Tata!
New Delhi.
18th October 2008
Dear Mr Ratan Tata,
This letter to you is in response to Mr Modi's letter to the Buddhababu and
yours to the youth of Bengal
As a project one can analyze all the presently available jokes and seek
proscribing of all those caste-class prejudiced jokes and supply a new
collection of politically correct jokes..
I think as a model definitely Stalin must have done this along with
Zhadanov..
The consequences of an innocuous
what about 'Namboori phalitham' ? Is it politcally correct?
shahina
On 10/22/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a project one can analyze all the presently available jokes and seek
proscribing of all those caste-class prejudiced jokes and supply a new
collection of politically
My only take on this is not to generalise sections for jokes let it be
personality oriented. I am not saying it will not be biased... how
does one look at this??
On Oct 22, 3:16 pm, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what about 'Namboori phalitham' ? Is it politcally correct?
shahina
On
Politically correct aya phalitham kettale chirikkoo ennu vannal masil
pidichu thanne jeevikkendi varum.
On 22/10/2008, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what about 'Namboori phalitham' ? Is it politcally correct?
shahina
On 10/22/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a
Anil,I perfectly agree with you and Jenny
warmly
shahina
On 10/22/08, Anil Tharayath Varghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My only take on this is not to generalise sections for jokes let it be
personality oriented. I am not saying it will not be biased... how
does one look at this??
On Oct
*Sorry.. shahina.. I read Sunil for Anil !!! :-) *
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:01 PM, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Shahina,
What did Jenny say,?.. I think Jenny's argument is in direct opposition to
what sunil says. Correct me If I am wrong!!
Oh.ya.. you are saying that both are
Look man, not sunil but ANIL!!!
On 10/22/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shahina,
What did Jenny say,?.. I think Jenny's argument is in direct opposition to
what sunil says. Correct me If I am wrong!!
Oh.ya.. you are saying that both are true... then it is a joke!!
On Wed,
Friends,
Every joke, namboodiri, lower caste, or sexist has an ideological purpose..
So the problem is not with joking, the problem is with the ideology
associated with jokes.
Ideologically i stand against hegemonic power structures..
So i get lots of pleasure in making direct fun of these
Hm.. thetii poye.. already applied for sorry
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Look man, not sunil but ANIL!!!
On 10/22/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shahina,
What did Jenny say,?.. I think Jenny's argument is in direct opposition to
what
Paavam patty (poor dog)
Regards
Afthab Ellath
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:37 PM, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Friends,
Every joke, namboodiri, lower caste, or sexist has an ideological purpose..
So the problem is not with joking, the problem is with the ideology
associated
*let me change it a bit..
Pokkividaan aalundenkil ethu poleesukaranum mukalil ethaam.
(If there is someone to help you up, any police man can reach the top)*
Regards
Afthab Ellath
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paavam patty (poor dog)
Regards
Sorry,it was a click reply.I have 'loads' of work to do,so decided not to do
anything ,but take part in the joke session!
On 10/22/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hm.. thetii poye.. already applied for sorry
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Does this mean that Jenny laughs only when people who are part of power
structures are made fun of?
Then what about my question: does a joke about a power structure legitimise
the power structure?
To use Jenny's own argument: if a joke is enough to vent your anger against
structures then that
Some Feminist jokes especially for those who are dying to laugh :)))
*Q: Why are men like paper cups?
A: They're dispensable *
*Q: Why are all dumb blond jokes one liners?
A: So men can understand them
Q: Why are men like popcorn?
A: They satisfy you, but only for a little while.*
jenny
On
yes pakshe chilarayokke theri (pattti) vilikkunna sukham illa :)
and you must remember that Kalabhavan Mani is referring to Mohanlal, the
middle class man, lol
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*let me change it a bit..
Pokkividaan aalundenkil ethu
Q: Why are men like paper cups?
A: They're dispensable (but we need paper cups all the time)
Q: Why are all dumb blond jokes one liners?
A: So men can understand them (but it is about us)
Q: Why are men like popcorn?
A: They satisfy you, but only for a little while (isn't what the men always
Jenny,
even as I agree with you. may I ask you a few doubts:
Let us take any joke for that matter.. do you think it will only communicate
one dimensionally through all generations? I don't have a example right now.
what I mean a joke which served one peculiar ideological purpose in one time
may
Hello, Afthab, so you are not disturbed by a 'pavam policukaran' being
laughed at? Dare you to replace him with DGP?
shahina
On 10/22/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jenny,
even as I agree with you. may I ask you a few doubts:
Let us take any joke for that matter.. do you think
Poleesukaran is that kakki kuppayam for me...
Regards
Afthab Ellath
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Hello, Afthab, so you are not disturbed by a 'pavam policukaran' being
laughed at? Dare you to replace him with DGP?
shahina
On 10/22/08, damodar prasad
if there is a new power formation within resistance,
surely there will be resistance to this and this will surely produce new
jokes..
to damodar's questions, yes i agreee with you
all that we say about any representation can apply to jokes
the political analysis of pleasure is not an end in
Shahina,
What did Jenny say,?.. I think Jenny's argument is in direct opposition to
what sunil says. Correct me If I am wrong!!
Oh.ya.. you are saying that both are true... then it is a joke!!
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Anil,I perfectly agree with
I meant only poleesu kakki.. many other kakkis including the school uniforms
I liked...
Regards
Afthab Ellath
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Dont keep equal distance to all the kakkis!!
shahina
On 10/22/08, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I don't agree with the idea there are only political jokes... There was
a friend of mine in college, who made us laugh whenever he wanted
irrespective of our political orientation... Those joke never remained in us
Thanks for the admission.
2008/10/22 jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I AM A VERY BORING, DULL, UNI-DIMENSIONAL PERSON
I NO MORE LAUGH WHEN THE JOKE IS ON ME AND MINE -
I HIT BACK, EITHER WITH WORDS OR MY HAND,
lol
jenny
On
Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, jenny rowena [EMAIL
Here is a recently circulating joke -
please do laugh, you can't live without laughing, can you??
am going, have better things to do,
bye !
*Manmohan Singh said to George Bush - We are sending Indians to the
moon next year.
Bush - Wow! How Many?
Manmohan Singh - about 100 - and in the following
and it was bz of this affirmative action progrm that Kalpana Chaula became
one among them
another joke!!
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
Here is a recently circulating joke -
please do laugh, you can't live without laughing, can you??
am going, have
I AM A VERY BORING, DULL, UNI-DIMENSIONAL PERSON
I NO MORE LAUGH WHEN THE JOKE IS ON ME AND MINE -
I HIT BACK, EITHER WITH WORDS OR MY HAND,
100% agree with jenny
in solidarity
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There are good jokes and bad jokes.
I admit. Did I say I laugh at all the jokes!
2008/10/22 ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and it was bz of this affirmative action progrm that Kalpana Chaula became
one among them
another joke!!
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM, jenny rowena [EMAIL
thanks for the admission :)
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM, James Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are good jokes and bad jokes.
I admit. Did I say I laugh at all the jokes!
2008/10/22 ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and it was bz of this affirmative action progrm that Kalpana Chaula
But I don't agree with the idea there are only political jokes... There was
a friend of mine in college, who made us laugh whenever he wanted
irrespective of our political orientation... Those joke never remained in us
for long time as well... Even his laughter made us laugh...
Regards
Afthab
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I AM A VERY BORING, DULL, UNI-DIMENSIONAL PERSON
I NO MORE LAUGH WHEN THE JOKE IS ON ME AND MINE -
I HIT BACK, EITHER WITH WORDS OR MY HAND,
lol
jenny
On
Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That will be a fitting end.
Jenny won't agree though, because of her prejudices.
:)
2008/10/22 Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So ,is it over friends?
Anivar, Shall we announce Jenny 'MAN' of the match?
shahina
On 10/22/08, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thanks for the admission :)
Sorry Mr James,I whole heartedly selected Jenny as the person of the
match,in solidarity to her.Sorry to say that you faied to score even one
wicket!
shahina
On 10/22/08, James Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That will be a fitting end.
Jenny won't agree though, because of her prejudices.
I agree too.
I was wondering the earlier Man of the metch thing was a dig at Jenny or a
Joke.
2008/10/22 Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry Mr James,I whole heartedly selected Jenny as the person of the
match,in solidarity to her.Sorry to say that you faied to score even one
wicket!
Is there any thing wrong in losing a match. A loser invokes pain...
Regards
Afthab Ellath
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:53 PM, James Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree too.
I was wondering the earlier Man of the metch thing was a dig at Jenny or
a Joke.
2008/10/22 Shahina KK [EMAIL
So ,is it over friends?
Anivar, Shall we announce Jenny 'MAN' of the match?
shahina
On 10/22/08, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thanks for the admission :)
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:59 PM, James Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
There are good jokes and bad jokes.
I admit. Did I say
why all this public (de)grading?
let things not be reduced to a competition and winning and losing
though sometimes we do talk in a very competitive way
and there is a fun in that
i think we should also remember that we are here to discuss ideas
to share learn and clarify ..
and not to win or
Maybe we should make clear this to the public :
Me and Jenny always talk like this in person.
It's just that it spread over to the public place.
Anyways, I guess the basic point was to discuss a particular idea.
2008/10/22 jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED]
why all this public (de)grading?
let
hi all
If we get back to the beginning of the thread we will realise that there was
also an important context within which jenny's argument (which i agree with)
was raised.
this was the desire to put this up on another site on the 'keralpiravi' day.
this is think is important.
when non-upper
it s like the old (i think late 80s) mallu dilemma
How come a mahout represent Kerala? (in that national integration
song.. mile sur mera tumhara...)
a caste Hindu lady can be imagined to represent kerala (kerala mata) (see
http://kafila.org/ )
but not a mahout. or as ratheesh pointed out the
I perfectly agree with Ratheesh.
But we quickly tend to conflate unpalatable images with lower caste/lower
class and vice versa, when there is no tangible or ontological evidence
for this in the images.
Second important question that I raised is this: is it possible to utter
politically correct
the ontology that needs to be sought is the ontology of the image itself, i
think. and not ontology of a 'reality' outside the image.
how one reads the image is related to history of representations itself, isnt
it?
--- On Wed, 10/22/08, James Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: James
It seems the 20 twenty format allows
pleasure defying all affiliations, 9 national included!)
Shahina,
what if the match is poised for an exciting tie?
there should at least be the following cash prises in addition to man of the
match.
Maximum sixes
Great catch
Excellent run out
I enjoyed and
*THE INDIAN AUTHORITIES PRETEND THAT
THEY HAVE SUSPENDED WORK ON TIPAIMUKH DAM!
IN FACT THEY HAVE NOT!
They are advancing with the Tipaimukh Dam Project.
They are about to issue environment clearance letter to the project.
THE TIPAIMUKH DAM WILL ISSUE DEATH WARRANT
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James,
Since the joke comes from the dominant version (I cant see any subversion in
the images here), we should look at the history of the dominant version of
representation.
When we talk about the dominant modes of production of caste images, I think
it is useless to try to prove/disprove
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Bush - Wow! How
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Manmohan Singh said to George Bush - We are sending Indians to the
Rally and
Public meeting
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Protesting against private postmortem and atrocities by Police
Inuguration: K K Koch
Speaches
P.Govindan Kutti
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Today, V S Achuthanandan made the most nasty statement
imaginable about Chengara struggle. He alleged that they are leading a
'leisurely life ( suga jeevitham) there , supported by certain forces.
This ( virtual ) leader of the downtrodden didn't even thought it necessary
to visit the struggle
ചെങ്ങറ സമരത്തിനെതിരെ
മുഖ്യമന്ത്രി വി.എസ് അച്യുതാനന്ദന്റെ
ഉറഞ്ഞാട്ടം.
ചെങ്ങറയില് മോഷണം,
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തിരുവനന്തപുരം: ചെങ്ങറയില് സമരം ചെയ്യുന്നവര് തോട്ടമുടമയുടെ റബര് മോഷ്ടിച്ച്
പണമുണ്ടാക്കി ശാപ്പാടടിച്ച് സുഖജീവിതമാസ്വദിക്കുകയാണെന്ന് മുഖ്യമന്ത്രി വി.എസ്.
അച്യുതാനന്ദന്. ഒരുലക്ഷം
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V S Achuthanandan's statement is really shameful and shocking. His
allegations against the hapeless people struggling for land is not only anti
dalit but nasty utterences of a lumpen fuedalist. Its high time to expose
this fuedal marxist and his desciples.
On 22/10/2008, Dileep Raj [EMAIL
It is a shame
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V S Achuthanandan's statement is really shameful and shocking. His
allegations against the hapeless people struggling for land is not only anti
dalit but nasty utterences of a
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but at the end of the day the great selectors choose VS as 'MAN' of the
match.
and we end up debating it on chala streets and cyber streets
that is equally shameful !
the vote bank seems intact shamelessly
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it is really
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I think Kerala chiefminister should apologise and withdraw
this statement in which he labels a community as thieves.
( Why didn't he take legal action if he is so concerned about the (putative)
private property of harrisson malayalam?)
I don't think there are many credible people in Kerala who
Dear All
Is there something we can do collectively -- at least generate a mass
petition? Feeling very worried about the way the CPM is practising slow
violence there?
Have all avenues closed? What are Laha's thoughts?
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