Re: [hlds] Half-Life, matan nov has invited you to open a Google mail account
DELETED!! On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:28 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Total useless status of mailing list: Achieved. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. 2009/2/25 Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com Looks like you have it already. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Clyde cide Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:57 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available i still havent gotten an update.. the game server... Game server has been started. The Steam update has completed. You may close this window. Starting the Steam Update... Don't close this window. If you close this window the update will still be executed on the server Stopping the game server... Game server has been stopped. Checking bootstrapper version ... Updating Installation Logging in as 'dxgs' Checking/Installing 'Team Fortress 2 Content' version 78 Checking/Installing 'Team Fortress 2 Materials' version 26 Checking/Installing 'Base Source Shared Materials' version 8 Checking/Installing 'Base Source Shared Models' version 4 Checking/Installing 'Base Source Shared Sounds' version 4 Checking/Installing 'OB Dedicated Server' version 0 Connection Reset, WinSock Error 10054 Connection reset by peer Starting the game server... Game server has been started. The Steam update has completed. You may close this window. btw it only took 3 hours to get this. reran the update same thing ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
hi all, has anyone had it reported to them that some people cant use the new scout weapons on their servers. Most people are fine yet some cant. They have restarted steam to eliminate that!! i seem to remember problems when the pyro update was released.. same thing maybe? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update
Since the TF2 update last night, sentrygun kills are logged differently between Windows servers and Linux servers. On Windows Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun On Linux Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun2 Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun3 plzfixkthx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
Yes we had the same thing on our server last night, only it was with most unlockables. I could equip my heavy and medic ones but pyro unlockables wouldn't add to my loadout. I had a few people that had similar problem. hi all, has anyone had it reported to them that some people cant use the new scout weapons on their servers. Most people are fine yet some cant. They have restarted steam to eliminate that!! i seem to remember problems when the pyro update was released.. same thing maybe? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update
Addendum: The Force A Nature on both Win and Lin logs as scattergun, same as the ScatterGun. Intended? or bug? Nicholas Hastings wrote: Since the TF2 update last night, sentrygun kills are logged differently between Windows servers and Linux servers. On Windows Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun On Linux Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun2 Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun3 plzfixkthx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update
My windows server shows the sentrygun logging just like your linux example. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Nicholas Hastings nshasti...@gmail.comwrote: Since the TF2 update last night, sentrygun kills are logged differently between Windows servers and Linux servers. On Windows Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun On Linux Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun2 Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun3 plzfixkthx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update
Now you know of one more. 10:50:45 L 02/25/2009 - 09:50:54: Shadowlight84STEAM_0:0:2404096Blue killed TRdrummer112STEAM_0:0:17952811Red with obj_sentrygun3 (attacker_position 283 -546 128) (victim_position 679 -198 0) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Hastings Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:42 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update I know of at least 5 windows servers that still show obj_sentrygun for all Cc2iscooL wrote: My windows server shows the sentrygun logging just like your linux example. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Nicholas Hastings nshasti...@gmail.comwrote: Since the TF2 update last night, sentrygun kills are logged differently between Windows servers and Linux servers. On Windows Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun On Linux Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun2 Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun3 plzfixkthx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update
Disregard... Apparently I fail. Verify all fixed it (i think). Either way, it's working. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: Now you know of one more. 10:50:45 L 02/25/2009 - 09:50:54: Shadowlight84STEAM_0:0:2404096Blue killed TRdrummer112STEAM_0:0:17952811Red with obj_sentrygun3 (attacker_position 283 -546 128) (victim_position 679 -198 0) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Hastings Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:42 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update I know of at least 5 windows servers that still show obj_sentrygun for all Cc2iscooL wrote: My windows server shows the sentrygun logging just like your linux example. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Nicholas Hastings nshasti...@gmail.comwrote: Since the TF2 update last night, sentrygun kills are logged differently between Windows servers and Linux servers. On Windows Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun On Linux Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun2 Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun3 plzfixkthx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update
Force A Nature still logs same as scattergun. Nicholas Hastings wrote: Disregard... Apparently I fail. Verify all fixed it (i think). Either way, it's working. Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: Now you know of one more. 10:50:45 L 02/25/2009 - 09:50:54: Shadowlight84STEAM_0:0:2404096Blue killed TRdrummer112STEAM_0:0:17952811Red with obj_sentrygun3 (attacker_position 283 -546 128) (victim_position 679 -198 0) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Hastings Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:42 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Sentry logging difference between Win and Lin servers after update I know of at least 5 windows servers that still show obj_sentrygun for all Cc2iscooL wrote: My windows server shows the sentrygun logging just like your linux example. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Nicholas Hastings nshasti...@gmail.comwrote: Since the TF2 update last night, sentrygun kills are logged differently between Windows servers and Linux servers. On Windows Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun On Linux Level 1 sentry = obj_sentrygun Level 2 sentry = obj_sentrygun2 Level 3 sentry = obj_sentrygun3 plzfixkthx ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
I predict a new server release before the end of the day... Or a lot of unhappy spies. I'll take either :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jarno Veuger Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
Is NephDSU still working with the latest update? Nephyrin Zey schrieb: Also, nobody has confirmed that l4d experiences these same timeouts, and i've been told that l4d servers dont even upload stats, so the L4D version of this plugin might not solve anything. The issues people see in l4d might be completely unrelated to the stats timeout. Maybe. - Neph On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com wrote: You'll only see that message on map change. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Robert Whelan Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:55 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin In regards to Nephs plugy... Ive been using -nogamestats till today, figured I'd give this a shot on are tf2/l4d's In the read me it states: You should see a: NephDSU: Stats upload *blocked* or NephDSU: Stats upload allowed I'm not seeing any echo info like stated above, as far as I can tell the plugin is loaded and running. I loaded 1.1-r1 15:26:36 meta list 15:26:36 Listing 5 plugins: [01] NephDSU (1.1.0.0) by nephy...@doublezen.net [02] SourceMod (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC [03] RunTeamLogic (1.0.5) by bl4nk [04] TF2 Tools (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC [05] SDK Tools (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC 15:27:36 neph_nostats = 1 ( def. 0 ) min. 0.00 max. 1.00 - Block stats reporting From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:28:49 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin It turns off uploading stats. You can still get achievements. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Admin Bob admin_...@cox.net wrote: How does this plugin work? Does it turn off uploading of stats? Does this mean you can't get achievements on the server? I want this for l4d :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of MONDO Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:48 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin NO issues with the plugin, and absolutely no server timeouts. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:42 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: I had a problem with it and that it's to awesome. No one man should be able take make plugins this awesome. I demand he be stopped =P Cc2iscooL wrote: No. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: I'd just like to verify that nobody has experienced any negative side effects since installing Neph's plugin to stop the map timeouts. http://nephyrin.net/tools/NephDSU/NephDSU_v1.1-r1.zip Thanks, Alec Sanger www.stompfest.com _ Windows LiveT: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!55 0F681DAD532637http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live. com-Blog-cns%2155%0A0F681DAD532637 !7540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%21 550F681DAD532637%217540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009http://wi ndowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%21%0A550F68 1DAD532637%217540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
An interesting stathttp://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x218/venemous-fatal1ty/?action=viewcurrent=ContentserverstatsforScout.jpg (pic) I always check this out every time as in never ceases to amaze me. 2009/2/25 Karl Weckstrom k...@weckstrom.com I predict a new server release before the end of the day... Or a lot of unhappy spies. I'll take either :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Jarno Veuger Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
are you running sm? Can you send a list of the plugins you're using? We're also crashing. Happened twice on goldrush Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:34:26 +0100 From: h...@mr-green.nl To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
Yes, we run SourceMod 1.1.0 and the latest Metamod Source version. Our plugins: 19:32:57 sm plugins list 19:32:57 [SM] Listing 32 plugins: 01 Admin File Reader (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 02 Admin Help (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 03 Admin Menu (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 04 Advertisements (0.5.5) by Tsunami 05 Anti-Flood (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 06 Basic Ban Commands (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 07 Basic Chat (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 08 Basic Comm Control (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 09 Basic Commands (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 10 Basic Info Triggers (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 11 Basic Votes (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 12 Client Preferences (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 13 Donation Medic (1.0.0) by Ywa 14 M3Motd - MOTD / Rules Display (0.2.1) by M3Studios, Inc. 15 Donation Medic (1.0.0) by Ywa 16 TF2 Fast Respawn (1.0) by Tsunami 17 HLstatsX CE Ingame Plugin (1.5.1) by psychonic 18 High Ping Kicker - Lite Edition (1.0.0.1) by Liam 19 IRC Relay - Admin Commands Module (2.1.0) by Olly 20 IRC Relay - Auth Module (2.1.0) by Olly 21 IRC Relay - Bacon (2.1.0) by Olly 22 IRC Relay - Base Commands (2.1.0) by Olly 23 IRC Relay - Chat Relay Module (2.1.0) by Olly 24 IRC Relay - Game Players (2.1.0) by Olly 25 IRC Relay - Relay Module (2.1.0) by Olly 26 IRC Relay - Game Info Module (2.1.0) by Olly 27 IRC Relay - Core Plugin (2.1.0) by Olly 28 IRC Relay - Steam Community (2.1.0) by Olly 29 TF2: Killer's Info (0.8.5) by Nut 30 Nextmap (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 31 SlapSlay Commands (1.1.0) by AlliedModders LLC 32 TF2 Fast Respawns (1.0.5) by WoZeR Regards, Ywa Alec Sanger wrote: are you running sm? Can you send a list of the plugins you're using? We're also crashing. Happened twice on goldrush Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
just for info.. our servers are on win2k std sp1 running sourcemod 1.2 and below are the list of plugins and we are okay. 01 Admin File Reader (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 02 SQL Admins (Prefetch) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 03 SQL Admins (Threaded) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 04 Admin Help (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 05 Admin Menu (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 06 Advertisements (0.5.5) by Tsunami 07 Anti-Flood (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 08 Basic Chat (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 09 Basic Comm Control (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 10 Basic Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 11 Basic Info Triggers (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 12 Basic Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 13 Client Preferences (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 14 Fun Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 15 Fun Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 16 HLstatsX Plugin (2.3) by Tobi17 17 MapChooser (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 18 Nextmap (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 19 Map Nominations (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 20 SlapSlay Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 21 Reserved Slots (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 22 Rock The Vote (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 23 Round Triggers (1.4) by Mike 24 SourceBans (1.3.5) by InterWave Studios Development Team 25 SQL Admin Manager (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 26 Teamspeak join command (1.2) by Berni 27 TF2 Advanced Vote Scramble (1.0) by Brainstorm 28 TF2 FF on during waiting for players (1.1) by Ratty cheers Alec Sanger wrote: are you running sm? Can you send a list of the plugins you're using? We're also crashing. Happened twice on goldrush Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:34:26 +0100 From: h...@mr-green.nl To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
Working for me... On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Bengt Rosenberger bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de wrote: Is NephDSU still working with the latest update? Nephyrin Zey schrieb: Also, nobody has confirmed that l4d experiences these same timeouts, and i've been told that l4d servers dont even upload stats, so the L4D version of this plugin might not solve anything. The issues people see in l4d might be completely unrelated to the stats timeout. Maybe. - Neph On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com wrote: You'll only see that message on map change. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Robert Whelan Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:55 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin In regards to Nephs plugy... Ive been using -nogamestats till today, figured I'd give this a shot on are tf2/l4d's In the read me it states: You should see a: NephDSU: Stats upload *blocked* or NephDSU: Stats upload allowed I'm not seeing any echo info like stated above, as far as I can tell the plugin is loaded and running. I loaded 1.1-r1 15:26:36 meta list 15:26:36 Listing 5 plugins: [01] NephDSU (1.1.0.0) by nephy...@doublezen.net [02] SourceMod (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC [03] RunTeamLogic (1.0.5) by bl4nk [04] TF2 Tools (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC [05] SDK Tools (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC 15:27:36 neph_nostats = 1 ( def. 0 ) min. 0.00 max. 1.00 - Block stats reporting From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:28:49 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin It turns off uploading stats. You can still get achievements. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Admin Bob admin_...@cox.net wrote: How does this plugin work? Does it turn off uploading of stats? Does this mean you can't get achievements on the server? I want this for l4d :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of MONDO Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:48 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin NO issues with the plugin, and absolutely no server timeouts. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:42 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: I had a problem with it and that it's to awesome. No one man should be able take make plugins this awesome. I demand he be stopped =P Cc2iscooL wrote: No. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: I'd just like to verify that nobody has experienced any negative side effects since installing Neph's plugin to stop the map timeouts. http://nephyrin.net/tools/NephDSU/NephDSU_v1.1-r1.zip Thanks, Alec Sanger www.stompfest.com _ Windows LiveT: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!55 0F681DAD532637 http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live. com-Blog-cns%2155%0A0F681DAD532637 !7540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%21 550F681DAD532637%217540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 http://wi ndowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%21%0A550F68 1DAD532637%217540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
Hey Neph do you have a link to a list of your plugins? DSU is the plugin that you can use to block commands right? KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Chris headad...@gmail.com wrote: Working for me... On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Bengt Rosenberger bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de wrote: Is NephDSU still working with the latest update? Nephyrin Zey schrieb: Also, nobody has confirmed that l4d experiences these same timeouts, and i've been told that l4d servers dont even upload stats, so the L4D version of this plugin might not solve anything. The issues people see in l4d might be completely unrelated to the stats timeout. Maybe. - Neph On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Tony Paloma drunkenf...@hotmail.com wrote: You'll only see that message on map change. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Robert Whelan Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:55 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin In regards to Nephs plugy... Ive been using -nogamestats till today, figured I'd give this a shot on are tf2/l4d's In the read me it states: You should see a: NephDSU: Stats upload *blocked* or NephDSU: Stats upload allowed I'm not seeing any echo info like stated above, as far as I can tell the plugin is loaded and running. I loaded 1.1-r1 15:26:36 meta list 15:26:36 Listing 5 plugins: [01] NephDSU (1.1.0.0) by nephy...@doublezen.net [02] SourceMod (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC [03] RunTeamLogic (1.0.5) by bl4nk [04] TF2 Tools (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC [05] SDK Tools (1.0.4) by AlliedModders LLC 15:27:36 neph_nostats = 1 ( def. 0 ) min. 0.00 max. 1.00 - Block stats reporting From: Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:28:49 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin It turns off uploading stats. You can still get achievements. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Admin Bob admin_...@cox.net wrote: How does this plugin work? Does it turn off uploading of stats? Does this mean you can't get achievements on the server? I want this for l4d :) -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of MONDO Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 1:48 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin NO issues with the plugin, and absolutely no server timeouts. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 2:42 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: I had a problem with it and that it's to awesome. No one man should be able take make plugins this awesome. I demand he be stopped =P Cc2iscooL wrote: No. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: I'd just like to verify that nobody has experienced any negative side effects since installing Neph's plugin to stop the map timeouts. http://nephyrin.net/tools/NephDSU/NephDSU_v1.1-r1.zip Thanks, Alec Sanger www.stompfest.com _ Windows LiveT: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!55 0F681DAD532637 http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live. com-Blog-cns%2155%0A0F681DAD532637 !7540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns%21 550F681DAD532637%217540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 http://wi ndowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns %21%0A550F68 1DAD532637%217540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site
Report this one too guys. http://steaamcomunytigroupsuccmy.tk/ [ ]'s Daniel Duarte On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Jeff Sugar jeffsu...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, someone just the steam community run for my clan for regulars/pubbies and spammed everyone in it with a link to this site. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Rick Payton r...@mai-hawaii.com wrote: 2 hours later it's confirmed in FF mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Report these to: Firefox Help - Report Web Forgery or visit http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/ In IE On the Tools menu, point to Phishing Filter, and then click Report This Website. Once they've been confirmed by mozilla/microsoft, IE7+ and Firefox will give warnings to all visitors that it's a scam. - Neph On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Daniell Reinhardt crypto...@cryptodan.com wrote: Reported to the hoster. -- From: Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.com Sent: 06 February, 2009 22:45 To: Half-Life Windows hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Looks good this one! www.steamipowered.com note the url ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site
i almost wrote whoever falls for this deserves it : Report this one too guys. http://steaamcomunytigroupsuccmy.tk/ [ ]'s Daniel Duarte On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Jeff Sugar jeffsu...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, someone just the steam community run for my clan for regulars/pubbies and spammed everyone in it with a link to this site. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Rick Payton r...@mai-hawaii.com wrote: 2 hours later it's confirmed in FF mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Report these to: Firefox Help - Report Web Forgery or visit http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/ In IE On the Tools menu, point to Phishing Filter, and then click Report This Website. Once they've been confirmed by mozilla/microsoft, IE7+ and Firefox will give warnings to all visitors that it's a scam. - Neph On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Daniell Reinhardt crypto...@cryptodan.com wrote: Reported to the hoster. -- From: Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.com Sent: 06 February, 2009 22:45 To: Half-Life Windows hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Looks good this one! www.steamipowered.com note the url ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I have a really strong feeling that Valve has found a way to catch people who use that too, now that everything is using the Steam Cloud. The fact that they caught people who used the weapon glitch, and that they are awaiting the ways we will disappoint them give me hope that they finally have. http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2262 Maybe honest players will finally prevail. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:04 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
he has a point.. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Neil Voutt http://www.neilvoutt.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
What you're saying is you'll ban anyone who gets an achievement. So many of the achievements are obtained by simply paying the game.. right? I have a better solution... just turn your server off! Problem fixed! I understand about farming, but banning anyone who gets an achievement is about the most foolish thing I've heard. It saddens me that you used your talent at scripting to write such silliness. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
This plugin is not designed to be used in a normal 24/7 2fort server or any normal server at all. It is designed to be used as a honeypot - a server that looks like a normal achievement grinding server. My server is running achievement_scout, and the only reason to join a server running that map is to farm achievements. If you didn't have the intention of cheating and farming achievements, you wouldn't be there in the first place. Sent from my name is Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:14 -0500, MONDO wrote: What you're saying is you'll ban anyone who gets an achievement. So many of the achievements are obtained by simply paying the game.. right? I have a better solution... just turn your server off! Problem fixed! I understand about farming, but banning anyone who gets an achievement is about the most foolish thing I've heard. It saddens me that you used your talent at scripting to write such silliness. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
there is a big difference between farming and using the unlocker. Farming you actually have to do the work to get the achievement. The unlocker you are altering the systems to get them without doing anything. This I personally think is a cheat due to the modification it does. I don't have a issue with farming if people want the weapons without a lot of work so let them. at least there putting some work into it. The unlocker is being lazy and I find the equivalent as using a aim bot because your to lazy to aim and get skill yourself. let the flame war begin. Neil Voutt wrote: he has a point.. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site
Just a random thought, if Valve enabled hotlink protection on the steam community images, couldn't they set it to send all images as a special This site is a scam website image? Seeing as some scam sites hotlink the images directly, it would probably work for some, but not all... Maxi Hark wrote: i almost wrote whoever falls for this deserves it : Report this one too guys. http://steaamcomunytigroupsuccmy.tk/ [ ]'s Daniel Duarte On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Jeff Sugar jeffsu...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, someone just the steam community run for my clan for regulars/pubbies and spammed everyone in it with a link to this site. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Rick Payton r...@mai-hawaii.com wrote: 2 hours later it's confirmed in FF mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Report these to: Firefox Help - Report Web Forgery or visit http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/ In IE On the Tools menu, point to Phishing Filter, and then click Report This Website. Once they've been confirmed by mozilla/microsoft, IE7+ and Firefox will give warnings to all visitors that it's a scam. - Neph On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Daniell Reinhardt crypto...@cryptodan.com wrote: Reported to the hoster. -- From: Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.com Sent: 06 February, 2009 22:45 To: Half-Life Windows hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Looks good this one! www.steamipowered.com note the url ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
This simply shows how bad the idea of acheivements is. It just provides another avanue to cheat. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:19 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: This plugin is not designed to be used in a normal 24/7 2fort server or any normal server at all. It is designed to be used as a honeypot - a server that looks like a normal achievement grinding server. My server is running achievement_scout, and the only reason to join a server running that map is to farm achievements. If you didn't have the intention of cheating and farming achievements, you wouldn't be there in the first place. Sent from my name is Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:14 -0500, MONDO wrote: What you're saying is you'll ban anyone who gets an achievement. So many of the achievements are obtained by simply paying the game.. right? I have a better solution... just turn your server off! Problem fixed! I understand about farming, but banning anyone who gets an achievement is about the most foolish thing I've heard. It saddens me that you used your talent at scripting to write such silliness. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
If Valve wanted to stop achievement farming servers, they would have set up a server blacklist a long, long time ago. Besides, there are people who just don't have the time (some people actually have a life and work!) to spend killing millions of people to unlock an achievement. By the time that they do, the game will most likely be replaced with the next installment. Also, unlocks are a crock of crap to new players as they will get pissed off and leave by older, younger players having more powerful guns while they have shit guns. If achievement farming on farming servers keeps them playing back in my or someone else's server, I'm all for it. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:11 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: I have a really strong feeling that Valve has found a way to catch people who use that too, now that everything is using the Steam Cloud. The fact that they caught people who used the weapon glitch, and that they are awaiting the ways we will disappoint them give me hope that they finally have. http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2262 Maybe honest players will finally prevail. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:04 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Not having the time isn't a justifiable reason to cheat. Sorry. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:22 -0500, Aj Collins wrote: If Valve wanted to stop achievement farming servers, they would have set up a server blacklist a long, long time ago. Besides, there are people who just don't have the time (some people actually have a life and work!) to spend killing millions of people to unlock an achievement. By the time that they do, the game will most likely be replaced with the next installment. Also, unlocks are a crock of crap to new players as they will get pissed off and leave by older, younger players having more powerful guns while they have shit guns. If achievement farming on farming servers keeps them playing back in my or someone else's server, I'm all for it. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:11 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: I have a really strong feeling that Valve has found a way to catch people who use that too, now that everything is using the Steam Cloud. The fact that they caught people who used the weapon glitch, and that they are awaiting the ways we will disappoint them give me hope that they finally have. http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2262 Maybe honest players will finally prevail. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:04 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Your Plugin is beyond Lame. Get a life! Believe it or not people who live in the real world, have jobs, families and work commitments have little or no time to play to begin with. Why should they be punished for not having the time to spend hours and weeks to get achievements to use new weapons? Honestly to reward only those who dont Farm because they have no life and can spend all day every day on a computer to get it the honest way and punish those who farm is ridiculous. You should tell us your real servers names and Ip's that we can tell all our friends and steam groups to just steer clear of you. Then you can have fun in your anal little fiefdom all by yourself. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
lol... so you're drawing them in, just to ban them? that sounds a lot like griefing now that I see it. You sound like one of those misled vigilantes that smoke drugs with a drug dealer to catch him with drugs...we prefer to prevent farming by running normal servers that are full of folks that want to play, rather than hosting achievement maps. Good luck to you, by the end of the week no one will want to visit your server! On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:19 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: This plugin is not designed to be used in a normal 24/7 2fort server or any normal server at all. It is designed to be used as a honeypot - a server that looks like a normal achievement grinding server. My server is running achievement_scout, and the only reason to join a server running that map is to farm achievements. If you didn't have the intention of cheating and farming achievements, you wouldn't be there in the first place. Sent from my name is Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:14 -0500, MONDO wrote: What you're saying is you'll ban anyone who gets an achievement. So many of the achievements are obtained by simply paying the game.. right? I have a better solution... just turn your server off! Problem fixed! I understand about farming, but banning anyone who gets an achievement is about the most foolish thing I've heard. It saddens me that you used your talent at scripting to write such silliness. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Blood Letter bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.comwrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
BTW the unlocker whatever the fuck that is, is as lame as your plugin. Some how though your just a teeny bit more lame ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
I would also like a link to this plugin please ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=85395 On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.comwrote: I would also like a link to this plugin please ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Ok so how is farming cheating? I want you to explain this to me. If an achievement says kill 3 people while ubercharged and you do it, regardless of whether or not you're in a real game how are you not accomplishing it? I have yet to see kill 3 people, while ubercharged, on cp_well with the score 0-1 with 4:32 left on the clock as an achievement. This is probably the worst plugin I've ever seen. It's mind blowing to me that you're so worried about people getting unlockable weapons that you'll ban them over it. Complacency towards farming is probably my favorite phrase ever now. I can't believe you were serious when you typed that up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:29 PM, msleeper wrote: Not having the time isn't a justifiable reason to cheat. Sorry. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:22 -0500, Aj Collins wrote: If Valve wanted to stop achievement farming servers, they would have set up a server blacklist a long, long time ago. Besides, there are people who just don't have the time (some people actually have a life and work!) to spend killing millions of people to unlock an achievement. By the time that they do, the game will most likely be replaced with the next installment. Also, unlocks are a crock of crap to new players as they will get pissed off and leave by older, younger players having more powerful guns while they have shit guns. If achievement farming on farming servers keeps them playing back in my or someone else's server, I'm all for it. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:11 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: I have a really strong feeling that Valve has found a way to catch people who use that too, now that everything is using the Steam Cloud. The fact that they caught people who used the weapon glitch, and that they are awaiting the ways we will disappoint them give me hope that they finally have. http://teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2262 Maybe honest players will finally prevail. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:04 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Why farm when you can just use the unlocker? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:52 +0100 From: bengt.rosenber...@gmx.de To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. lol. In previous threads this is you. Tables turned and don't like it? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
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Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
No, I just don't want to spam the list when I feel I am doing good in the world, plus we are having fun attacking me in IRC and it's hard to keep up with emails. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:55 -0500, Chris Oryschak wrote: I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. lol. In previous threads this is you. Tables turned and don't like it? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
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Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
good job msleeper good idea. keep working on it 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon dar...@spec907.net Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since the moment the Scout update came out last night and, at time of writing this, 1890 farmers have been caught and stopped. The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html I'm really not interested in mucking up the list with personal opinions about whether or not farming is right, or honeypotting farmers is wrong, but if you want to discuss you can always join IRC. Sent from my honeypot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
Trying to confirm, I loaded this plugin after the scout update. Members are reporting the scout achievements are unable to load, their there, but can't load them. I only have this plugin installed on 1 of 3 servers to test. The other 2 servers without the plugin are able to load the achievements fine. Can anyone else confirm this? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
msleeper, who died and made you valve. I believe the game creators are fully capable of limiting farming if they really felt it was needed. As reputable as you may think you are, who in their right mind would trust of a list of bans from some guy on the internet, for all we know you are distributing a banlist of people whom you have some kind of personal conflict with. This plugin is a joke, baiting people to a server to simply ban them is ludicrous, you are the definition of an a-hole admin who thinks running servers makes them god. In my opinion it seems just as reasonable that your servers, and any other communities that run plugins like this should themselves be blacklisted. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Chris Oryschak ch...@oryschak.com wrote: I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. lol. In previous threads this is you. Tables turned and don't like it? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming server... msleeper schrieb: I have written a honeypot plugin for SourceMod that will autoban anyone who earns an achievement in the server. If there is any other admins out there who think that complacency towards farming needs to end, this is step one. I have been running this since
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Cheating is typically defined as violating the rules of the game dishonestly. Valve's intention with the unlockables is to provide alternatives that would be advantageous over the original weapons in certain situations and detrimental in others. To use a MMO term, they are side-grades. In my personal opinion, achievement farmers are not gaining an unfair advantage over other players by accessing their unlockable side-grades more quickly than regular players. Therefore they aren't cheating. What I hate about achievement farmers is when they try to farm achievements in a regular pub game. I feel that they sometimes ruin the game play experience for everyone else in the server. I believe that achievement farming servers are sort of a good thing, as they remove a lot of the achievement farmers from the regular pub servers. I'd much rather have achievement farming servers than no achievement farming servers with a bunch of farmers in a pub game. It is the lesser of two evils, I suppose. However, what you do with your servers is your own business, and I have no right to directly comment on how you should be running them or what you should be doing with them. You're free to ban whoever you want for whatever reason. Just offering my own two cents on the whole overly issue. Apologies to the list, I'm too lazy to find what irc channel you are residing in to discuss it there. Patrick On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: BTW the unlocker whatever the fuck that is, is as lame as your plugin. Some how though your just a teeny bit more lame ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
1890 people you realize you just banned basically everyone who's going to be playing on your server. Not saying achievement farming isn't bad, but most people I've played with when someone is achievement farmer the rest of the team helps out that person. It's not a problem. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of hlds-requ...@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:01 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: hlds Digest, Vol 12, Issue 182 Send hlds mailing list submissions to hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to hlds-requ...@list.valvesoftware.com You can reach the person managing the list at hlds-ow...@list.valvesoftware.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of hlds digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Achievement Farmer Honeypot (Clyde cide) 2. Re: Achievement Farmer Honeypot (msleeper) 3. Re: Achievement Farmer Honeypot (Clyde cide) 4. Re: Achievement Farmer Honeypot (Alex) 5. Re: Neph's Plugin (Fudgstu) 6. Re: Achievement Farmer Honeypot (Caleb Champlin) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:49:55 -0500 From: Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Message-ID: b8ccf1c80902251349p2d88acaehbc822141e531f...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not only are you the worst server admin ever, You are also a GIGANTIC ASS. -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:56:02 -0500 From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Message-ID: 1235598962.11842.22.ca...@svm.conepuppy.com.conepuppy.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No, I just don't want to spam the list when I feel I am doing good in the world, plus we are having fun attacking me in IRC and it's hard to keep up with emails. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:55 -0500, Chris Oryschak wrote: I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. lol. In previous threads this is you. Tables turned and don't like it? -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I feel I am doing good in the world I'm gonna have to invoke godwin's law here. I bet Hitler thought he was doing good in the world too. msleeper wrote: No, I just don't want to spam the list when I feel I am doing good in the world, plus we are having fun attacking me in IRC and it's hard to keep up with emails. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
How about a link to Neph's command blocking plugin? Anyone? KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like a link to this plugin please ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ servers than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban list it produces just to yourselves. Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put your list up for usage on other servers. I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for example. Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too took me about 3 days (8 hours in total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer to the 1.000.000 healing/fire. Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there are about 134 to earn. PS Sent from my honeypot That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like the plague ~_^ MeZelf -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot good job msleeper good idea. keep working on it 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon dar...@spec907.net Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100, Bengt Rosenberger wrote: Great, I gonna install that on my 24/7 achievement farming server... Or wait... No, I won't. Have fun with an empty server. Stuff like this encourages me to open up another farming
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
The banlist isn't private. I have them all listed below, and if anyone wants the full banlist in SQL format, email me privately off-list and I'll happily give it out. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 23:17 +0100, MeZelf wrote: If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ servers than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban list it produces just to yourselves. Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put your list up for usage on other servers. I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for example. Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too took me about 3 days (8 hours in total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer to the 1.000.000 healing/fire. Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there are about 134 to earn. PS Sent from my honeypot That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like the plague ~_^ MeZelf -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot good job msleeper good idea. keep working on it 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon dar...@spec907.net Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
We still use Mani, we are now getting the crashes when we never did before. So far, 4 today on just one server. This is on a W2k3 server. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, steve grout steve.gr...@gmail.com wrote: just for info.. our servers are on win2k std sp1 running sourcemod 1.2 and below are the list of plugins and we are okay. 01 Admin File Reader (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 02 SQL Admins (Prefetch) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 03 SQL Admins (Threaded) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 04 Admin Help (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 05 Admin Menu (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 06 Advertisements (0.5.5) by Tsunami 07 Anti-Flood (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 08 Basic Chat (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 09 Basic Comm Control (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 10 Basic Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 11 Basic Info Triggers (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 12 Basic Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 13 Client Preferences (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 14 Fun Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 15 Fun Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 16 HLstatsX Plugin (2.3) by Tobi17 17 MapChooser (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 18 Nextmap (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 19 Map Nominations (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 20 SlapSlay Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 21 Reserved Slots (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 22 Rock The Vote (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 23 Round Triggers (1.4) by Mike 24 SourceBans (1.3.5) by InterWave Studios Development Team 25 SQL Admin Manager (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 26 Teamspeak join command (1.2) by Berni 27 TF2 Advanced Vote Scramble (1.0) by Brainstorm 28 TF2 FF on during waiting for players (1.1) by Ratty cheers Alec Sanger wrote: are you running sm? Can you send a list of the plugins you're using? We're also crashing. Happened twice on goldrush Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:34:26 +0100 From: h...@mr-green.nl To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
Sourcemod changed the way they're doing Gamedata updates, and I'm curious if what a lot of us are experiencing are outdated gamedata info. They changed from a direct port to an URL it looks like. Regardless, I went and grabbed the latest 1.2 branch and updated all my plugins and my core.cfg... basically updated everything except my config files. Check out this post, and then the link in the second post on that page which shows the change done to Core.cfg on 2/17/09. http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86403page=3 On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM, steve grout steve.gr...@gmail.com wrote: just for info.. our servers are on win2k std sp1 running sourcemod 1.2 and below are the list of plugins and we are okay. 01 Admin File Reader (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 02 SQL Admins (Prefetch) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 03 SQL Admins (Threaded) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 04 Admin Help (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 05 Admin Menu (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 06 Advertisements (0.5.5) by Tsunami 07 Anti-Flood (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 08 Basic Chat (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 09 Basic Comm Control (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 10 Basic Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 11 Basic Info Triggers (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 12 Basic Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 13 Client Preferences (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 14 Fun Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 15 Fun Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 16 HLstatsX Plugin (2.3) by Tobi17 17 MapChooser (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 18 Nextmap (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 19 Map Nominations (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 20 SlapSlay Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 21 Reserved Slots (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 22 Rock The Vote (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 23 Round Triggers (1.4) by Mike 24 SourceBans (1.3.5) by InterWave Studios Development Team 25 SQL Admin Manager (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 26 Teamspeak join command (1.2) by Berni 27 TF2 Advanced Vote Scramble (1.0) by Brainstorm 28 TF2 FF on during waiting for players (1.1) by Ratty cheers Alec Sanger wrote: are you running sm? Can you send a list of the plugins you're using? We're also crashing. Happened twice on goldrush Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:34:26 +0100 From: h...@mr-green.nl To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Stupid. Idea. Regards Yatin On 25 Feb 2009, at 22:24, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: The banlist isn't private. I have them all listed below, and if anyone wants the full banlist in SQL format, email me privately off-list and I'll happily give it out. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 23:17 +0100, MeZelf wrote: If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ servers than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban list it produces just to yourselves. Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put your list up for usage on other servers. I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for example. Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too took me about 3 days (8 hours in total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer to the 1.000.000 healing/fire. Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there are about 134 to earn. PS Sent from my honeypot That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like the plague ~_^ MeZelf -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot good job msleeper good idea. keep working on it 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon dar...@spec907.net Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http:// en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/ sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
The sent from my honeypot is him trying to make fun of people that interact with the list via iPhone. What a crazy idea... To get email on an iPhone I think it just sounds stupid myself KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:17 PM, MeZelf email4for...@mezelf.com wrote: If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ servers than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban list it produces just to yourselves. Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put your list up for usage on other servers. I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for example. Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too took me about 3 days (8 hours in total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer to the 1.000.000 healing/fire. Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there are about 134 to earn. PS Sent from my honeypot That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like the plague ~_^ MeZelf -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot good job msleeper good idea. keep working on it 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon dar...@spec907.net Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the farmers don't know what is going on. My server looks 100% like any other farming server. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:01 +0100,
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I think we get that. That doesn't make the joke any less stupid. On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Mike Stiehm wrote: The sent from my honeypot is him trying to make fun of people that interact with the list via iPhone. What a crazy idea... To get email on an iPhone I think it just sounds stupid myself KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:17 PM, MeZelf email4for...@mezelf.com wrote: If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ servers than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban list it produces just to yourselves. Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put your list up for usage on other servers. I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for example. Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too took me about 3 days (8 hours in total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer to the 1.000.000 healing/fire. Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there are about 134 to earn. PS Sent from my honeypot That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like the plague ~_^ MeZelf -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot good job msleeper good idea. keep working on it 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon dar...@spec907.net Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http:// en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/ sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot My server has been full since the moment I set it up. There is a delay between achievement earned and banning, so the
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
i love my iphone :D On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: The sent from my honeypot is him trying to make fun of people that interact with the list via iPhone. What a crazy idea... To get email on an iPhone I think it just sounds stupid myself KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 4:17 PM, MeZelf email4for...@mezelf.com wrote: If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ servers than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban list it produces just to yourselves. Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put your list up for usage on other servers. I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for example. Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too took me about 3 days (8 hours in total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer to the 1.000.000 healing/fire. Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there are about 134 to earn. PS Sent from my honeypot That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like the plague ~_^ MeZelf -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot good job msleeper good idea. keep working on it 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon dar...@spec907.net Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of achievements be farmed, and that those farmers (who you claim to despise, hypocrite) are then set loose on the rest of the TF2 community (ass), while you and your servers are walled off from them (selfish). From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Still on your personal quest to redefine stupidity i see sleeper Rudeness aside, i didn't need a live server to achieve 18 scout achievements within 30 mins after the update came out.. I used my personal achievements_master_map.bsp locally which has a set of sophisticated logic relays to set up everything needed within 40 secs of the map starting! Why? I have a life, 3 kids, work and don't have time to do these legitimately. sent from my dirty laundry basket ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I have a locked server set up for our community to farm achievements. We have 2 pub servers and I would rather have them get the farming out of the way. I hate to see 18 scouts on a 24 man server and the other players not enjoying the game. It's your servers msleeper, but I see that as baiting and petty and really kind of useless to ban that many players, especially if you are trying to promote your servers. I would rather have players get the farming out of the way, than to come to our rotation pub servers and be of no value to the game play. I would probably never import any of your bans since it's being done in a just as dishonest way. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:17 PM, MeZelf email4for...@mezelf.com wrote: If it would be for some ban list that is authoritive for like 100+ servers than this might a nice thing to run... but still not against farming. But I also fail to see the point in doing this if you keep the ban list it produces just to yourselves. Because I don't recall reading you saying that you're going to put your list up for usage on other servers. I gave up on the 1.000.000 healing and 1.000.000 fire damage for example. Those are impossible to make in normal serverplay. I 'farmed' a couple of achievements too took me about 3 days (8 hours in total during the weekend) and I still wasn't really getting closer to the 1.000.000 healing/fire. Although I did get 15 achievements... big deal considering there are about 134 to earn. PS Sent from my honeypot That only makes me want to lookup your server IP and avoid it like the plague ~_^ MeZelf -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: woensdag 25 februari 2009 22:55 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot good job msleeper good idea. keep working on it 2009/2/25 Darren Gordon dar...@spec907.net Ok good, that means I can say You're the worst server admin ever. And not have to follow up. On Feb 25, 2009, at 1:45 PM, msleeper wrote: I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 http://en.wikipedi a.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way. That's fine, but you won't get much support for your cause, especially with the way you are doing things. Simply setting up another server (instead of the honeypot) would be a far more beneficial to the TF2 community as a whole. The fact is there are a LOT of player who prefer to farm or unlock than to grind for achievements. I for one absolutely hate achievements, gamer cards, trophies, and whatever other crap is added to games to make them longer, force grinding, or promote social/web 2.0/e-peen crap. The mere fact that a GAME is intentionally turned into a chore to keep players playing is a slap in the face. It works though, because people feel they need that epic mount, that extra costume for Chun-Li, and the Ubersaw. It's a difference in opinion. You hate farmers, I don't care how people enjoy their game. You imposing your view of the game on your servers is fine, but I hope you realize that you're providing an achievement server which has let thousands of
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
We actually have another server that is a vanilla locked server. I'll watch it for a few days to see if there are any problems. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Steven Sumichrast packh...@gmail.comwrote: Hum, okay well then I guess that's not it haha. Unless we're seeing a similar problem in different administration programs... Thinking about turning off plugins and running vanilla to see how things go On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: We still use Mani, we are now getting the crashes when we never did before. So far, 4 today on just one server. This is on a W2k3 server. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, steve grout steve.gr...@gmail.com wrote: just for info.. our servers are on win2k std sp1 running sourcemod 1.2 and below are the list of plugins and we are okay. 01 Admin File Reader (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 02 SQL Admins (Prefetch) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 03 SQL Admins (Threaded) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 04 Admin Help (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 05 Admin Menu (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 06 Advertisements (0.5.5) by Tsunami 07 Anti-Flood (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 08 Basic Chat (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 09 Basic Comm Control (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 10 Basic Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 11 Basic Info Triggers (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 12 Basic Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 13 Client Preferences (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 14 Fun Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 15 Fun Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 16 HLstatsX Plugin (2.3) by Tobi17 17 MapChooser (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 18 Nextmap (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 19 Map Nominations (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 20 SlapSlay Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 21 Reserved Slots (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 22 Rock The Vote (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 23 Round Triggers (1.4) by Mike 24 SourceBans (1.3.5) by InterWave Studios Development Team 25 SQL Admin Manager (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 26 Teamspeak join command (1.2) by Berni 27 TF2 Advanced Vote Scramble (1.0) by Brainstorm 28 TF2 FF on during waiting for players (1.1) by Ratty cheers Alec Sanger wrote: are you running sm? Can you send a list of the plugins you're using? We're also crashing. Happened twice on goldrush Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:34:26 +0100 From: h...@mr-green.nl To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I have a full-time job and a life and everything else, and I earned every single Pyro achievement legitimately and I am only 3 or 4 away from doing the same for Heavy. I already said it, not having enough time isn't a good reason to cheat. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:43 +, Patrick Shelley wrote: Still on your personal quest to redefine stupidity i see sleeper Rudeness aside, i didn't need a live server to achieve 18 scout achievements within 30 mins after the update came out.. I used my personal achievements_master_map.bsp locally which has a set of sophisticated logic relays to set up everything needed within 40 secs of the map starting! Why? I have a life, 3 kids, work and don't have time to do these legitimately. sent from my dirty laundry basket ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site
Eh no, theyd just download the images. -- From: Tom Leighton tomrleigh...@googlemail.com Sent: 25 February, 2009 21:18 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Just a random thought, if Valve enabled hotlink protection on the steam community images, couldn't they set it to send all images as a special This site is a scam website image? Seeing as some scam sites hotlink the images directly, it would probably work for some, but not all... Maxi Hark wrote: i almost wrote whoever falls for this deserves it : Report this one too guys. http://steaamcomunytigroupsuccmy.tk/ [ ]'s Daniel Duarte On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Jeff Sugar jeffsu...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, someone just the steam community run for my clan for regulars/pubbies and spammed everyone in it with a link to this site. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Rick Payton r...@mai-hawaii.com wrote: 2 hours later it's confirmed in FF mauirixxx -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:42 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Report these to: Firefox Help - Report Web Forgery or visit http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/ In IE On the Tools menu, point to Phishing Filter, and then click Report This Website. Once they've been confirmed by mozilla/microsoft, IE7+ and Firefox will give warnings to all visitors that it's a scam. - Neph On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Daniell Reinhardt crypto...@cryptodan.com wrote: Reported to the hoster. -- From: Patrick Shelley sidest...@gmail.com Sent: 06 February, 2009 22:45 To: Half-Life Windows hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] Fake Steam Site Looks good this one! www.steamipowered.com note the url ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
i dont care what you think. i dislike you and couldn't give a stuff about you alive or dead! On 25/02/2009, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: I have a full-time job and a life and everything else, and I earned every single Pyro achievement legitimately and I am only 3 or 4 away from doing the same for Heavy. I already said it, not having enough time isn't a good reason to cheat. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 22:43 +, Patrick Shelley wrote: Still on your personal quest to redefine stupidity i see sleeper Rudeness aside, i didn't need a live server to achieve 18 scout achievements within 30 mins after the update came out.. I used my personal achievements_master_map.bsp locally which has a set of sophisticated logic relays to set up everything needed within 40 secs of the map starting! Why? I have a life, 3 kids, work and don't have time to do these legitimately. sent from my dirty laundry basket ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Your honeypot is more about you feeling like you have control than it is about bettering the community or taking a stand. I am not missing the point of a honeypot. I am a degree-wielding computer scientist, I know full well what a honeypot is. I also know that actual honeypots are looked down upon in the security sector and are pretty much useless (legally) when it comes to actually following through and taking action. They are a useful approach in terms of improving security (through statistical research), but since you're not Valve you're not really going to improve the core problem, are you? It's obvious you haven't thought things through. You state (I believe it was in your A-M thread) that the only reason people join servers running achievement maps is to farm. This is an incorrect assumption, but, even taking it to be true: -Why wait for people to earn an achievement before banning them? Just ban them on join. --The answer is because you want it to be full so you can get more to join and thus ban more. -So why not just report false clients? Perhaps Dan from Circle-X can help you out. He posts here. Though he still maintains that their servers are vanilla and absolutely don't report fake clients have fast respawns or shuffle you off to other servers. --The answer is because you actually want to toy with people and then deny them things. You enjoy wielding your power, and you will do so arbitrarily and with an inflated sense of self-righteousness. You are the worst kind of admin. You are as much of a problem to TF2 as the farmers, griefers, and exploiters. As to why your assumption is incorrect: Many people will simply join an achievement box to meet up with friends (right click friend, view game info, join!). Many people will simply join a server based on ping and player count, and not the map. Many people will not know what an achievement box map is, or that is considered a bad thing. If your argument is that people should know better, then I'd like to ask you about all the NEW players that will be playing TF2. If a free weekend is upon us, then there will be a lot of new players. Should someone be banned from your servers just because they joined your honeypot? Should they be banned from other servers who have picked up your list? Apparently you think it is an acceptable price to pay for maintaining what you think is a desirable decorum and behavior among your players. That's fine. What's not fine is you trying to push your beliefs on others, or you calling these people cheaters, detrimental, or other such things for having a differing opinion about how to play a game. If you had your way, those players would be banned from TF2 entirely. You are actively trying to spread your list of over 2000 bans. Do you really think that all those people deserve to be banned? (Yes, you do: These are known achievement farmers! Ban them NOW!) What you claim is dubious. Your intentions are not noble. Your methods are detrimental to TF2 as a whole. I will be looking for and joining your honeypot, then earning some achievement, so I never have to deal with your servers. From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:45:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little less due to overhead - since they have to go find another server afterward, etc.). You're banning these people from YOUR servers. You do provide a public list, but your list is NOT authoritative and I (and many other admins) would be hesitant to just import a list of 2000 bans. The vast majority of servers will NOT benefit from this list because most will never be aware of the list, let alone be able to import it easily (most servers are NOT running sourcebans/sourcemod with sql/etc.). You're playing vigilante because you think the game should be a certain way.
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
It was replaces with this http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=648834 On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: How about a link to Neph's command blocking plugin? Anyone? KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like a link to this plugin please ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available
I dont see a build log that they updated the gamedata files in any of the snapshots or releases, perhaps you can only get them through the updater. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: We actually have another server that is a vanilla locked server. I'll watch it for a few days to see if there are any problems. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Steven Sumichrast packh...@gmail.com wrote: Hum, okay well then I guess that's not it haha. Unless we're seeing a similar problem in different administration programs... Thinking about turning off plugins and running vanilla to see how things go On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Fudgstu fudg...@gmail.com wrote: We still use Mani, we are now getting the crashes when we never did before. So far, 4 today on just one server. This is on a W2k3 server. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM, steve grout steve.gr...@gmail.com wrote: just for info.. our servers are on win2k std sp1 running sourcemod 1.2 and below are the list of plugins and we are okay. 01 Admin File Reader (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 02 SQL Admins (Prefetch) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 03 SQL Admins (Threaded) (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 04 Admin Help (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 05 Admin Menu (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 06 Advertisements (0.5.5) by Tsunami 07 Anti-Flood (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 08 Basic Chat (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 09 Basic Comm Control (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 10 Basic Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 11 Basic Info Triggers (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 12 Basic Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 13 Client Preferences (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 14 Fun Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 15 Fun Votes (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 16 HLstatsX Plugin (2.3) by Tobi17 17 MapChooser (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 18 Nextmap (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 19 Map Nominations (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 20 SlapSlay Commands (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 21 Reserved Slots (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 22 Rock The Vote (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 23 Round Triggers (1.4) by Mike 24 SourceBans (1.3.5) by InterWave Studios Development Team 25 SQL Admin Manager (1.2.0-dev) by AlliedModders LLC 26 Teamspeak join command (1.2) by Berni 27 TF2 Advanced Vote Scramble (1.0) by Brainstorm 28 TF2 FF on during waiting for players (1.1) by Ratty cheers Alec Sanger wrote: are you running sm? Can you send a list of the plugins you're using? We're also crashing. Happened twice on goldrush Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:34:26 +0100 From: h...@mr-green.nl To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Available I'm from the same community as Joeri. Our second TF2 server (running other maps) also got that error now. This second TF2 server is running on another dedicated server. Both dedicated server got Win2k3 Enterprise as OS. Hopefully Valve comes with a fix soon. Regards, Ywa Joeri van der Velden wrote: Our Payload server keeps crashing too. Host_error: Overflow error writing string table baseline Scenes The server command windows shows a lot of the Spy's .vcd files being listed/loaded/I dunno. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I wait for people to earn achievements before having them banned, because you're right, joining the map isn't doing anything wrong. Earning achievements on an achievement farming map on the other hand... I don't understand your comment about fake clients. My opinion of that is well known and I anxiously await the patch which will rid the world of fake clients. I'm not pushing my beliefs or tactics on anyone, and I'm not trying to force anyone to setup a honeypot server. If people want to follow my lead though, I am giving everyone the tools necessary to do so. And yes, I think every single 2100+ and counting people deserve to be banned. They cheated the system. Once again, if you want to continue this, I am on IRC and am happy to argue there. I'll go ahead and copy this over to AlliedModders since you want to bring it there too. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 15:05 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Your honeypot is more about you feeling like you have control than it is about bettering the community or taking a stand. I am not missing the point of a honeypot. I am a degree-wielding computer scientist, I know full well what a honeypot is. I also know that actual honeypots are looked down upon in the security sector and are pretty much useless (legally) when it comes to actually following through and taking action. They are a useful approach in terms of improving security (through statistical research), but since you're not Valve you're not really going to improve the core problem, are you? It's obvious you haven't thought things through. You state (I believe it was in your A-M thread) that the only reason people join servers running achievement maps is to farm. This is an incorrect assumption, but, even taking it to be true: -Why wait for people to earn an achievement before banning them? Just ban them on join. --The answer is because you want it to be full so you can get more to join and thus ban more. -So why not just report false clients? Perhaps Dan from Circle-X can help you out. He posts here. Though he still maintains that their servers are vanilla and absolutely don't report fake clients have fast respawns or shuffle you off to other servers. --The answer is because you actually want to toy with people and then deny them things. You enjoy wielding your power, and you will do so arbitrarily and with an inflated sense of self-righteousness. You are the worst kind of admin. You are as much of a problem to TF2 as the farmers, griefers, and exploiters. As to why your assumption is incorrect: Many people will simply join an achievement box to meet up with friends (right click friend, view game info, join!). Many people will simply join a server based on ping and player count, and not the map. Many people will not know what an achievement box map is, or that is considered a bad thing. If your argument is that people should know better, then I'd like to ask you about all the NEW players that will be playing TF2. If a free weekend is upon us, then there will be a lot of new players. Should someone be banned from your servers just because they joined your honeypot? Should they be banned from other servers who have picked up your list? Apparently you think it is an acceptable price to pay for maintaining what you think is a desirable decorum and behavior among your players. That's fine. What's not fine is you trying to push your beliefs on others, or you calling these people cheaters, detrimental, or other such things for having a differing opinion about how to play a game. If you had your way, those players would be banned from TF2 entirely. You are actively trying to spread your list of over 2000 bans. Do you really think that all those people deserve to be banned? (Yes, you do: These are known achievement farmers! Ban them NOW!) What you claim is dubious. Your intentions are not noble. Your methods are detrimental to TF2 as a whole. I will be looking for and joining your honeypot, then earning some achievement, so I never have to deal with your servers. From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:45:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
really, guys, why are we still discussing this. it's clear that everyone disagrees with sleeper. is your bitching and personal attacks going to make him take down the server? is he hurting anyone but himself? if the answer to both of these questions is no, I propose we drop it. all in favor? Thank you, Alec Sanger www.stompfest.com From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:05:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Your honeypot is more about you feeling like you have control than it is about bettering the community or taking a stand. I am not missing the point of a honeypot. I am a degree-wielding computer scientist, I know full well what a honeypot is. I also know that actual honeypots are looked down upon in the security sector and are pretty much useless (legally) when it comes to actually following through and taking action. They are a useful approach in terms of improving security (through statistical research), but since you're not Valve you're not really going to improve the core problem, are you? It's obvious you haven't thought things through. You state (I believe it was in your A-M thread) that the only reason people join servers running achievement maps is to farm. This is an incorrect assumption, but, even taking it to be true: -Why wait for people to earn an achievement before banning them? Just ban them on join. --The answer is because you want it to be full so you can get more to join and thus ban more. -So why not just report false clients? Perhaps Dan from Circle-X can help you out. He posts here. Though he still maintains that their servers are vanilla and absolutely don't report fake clients have fast respawns or shuffle you off to other servers. --The answer is because you actually want to toy with people and then deny them things. You enjoy wielding your power, and you will do so arbitrarily and with an inflated sense of self-righteousness. You are the worst kind of admin. You are as much of a problem to TF2 as the farmers, griefers, and exploiters. As to why your assumption is incorrect: Many people will simply join an achievement box to meet up with friends (right click friend, view game info, join!). Many people will simply join a server based on ping and player count, and not the map. Many people will not know what an achievement box map is, or that is considered a bad thing. If your argument is that people should know better, then I'd like to ask you about all the NEW players that will be playing TF2. If a free weekend is upon us, then there will be a lot of new players. Should someone be banned from your servers just because they joined your honeypot? Should they be banned from other servers who have picked up your list? Apparently you think it is an acceptable price to pay for maintaining what you think is a desirable decorum and behavior among your players. That's fine. What's not fine is you trying to push your beliefs on others, or you calling these people cheaters, detrimental, or other such things for having a differing opinion about how to play a game. If you had your way, those players would be banned from TF2 entirely. You are actively trying to spread your list of over 2000 bans. Do you really think that all those people deserve to be banned? (Yes, you do: These are known achievement farmers! Ban them NOW!) What you claim is dubious. Your intentions are not noble. Your methods are detrimental to TF2 as a whole. I will be looking for and joining your honeypot, then earning some achievement, so I never have to deal with your servers. From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:45:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You claim your server is full, so it's turning out just as many achievements as other full achievement farming servers (maybe a little
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
http://nephyrin.net/NephCVUH_1.0.zip But i'd use the sourcemod version instead you have SM installed. - Neph On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It was replaces with this http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=648834 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
wow this is so retarded fake clients help servers that have a few people and make it look like there is more there is nothing wrong with this, its a mod On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: I wait for people to earn achievements before having them banned, because you're right, joining the map isn't doing anything wrong. Earning achievements on an achievement farming map on the other hand... I don't understand your comment about fake clients. My opinion of that is well known and I anxiously await the patch which will rid the world of fake clients. I'm not pushing my beliefs or tactics on anyone, and I'm not trying to force anyone to setup a honeypot server. If people want to follow my lead though, I am giving everyone the tools necessary to do so. And yes, I think every single 2100+ and counting people deserve to be banned. They cheated the system. Once again, if you want to continue this, I am on IRC and am happy to argue there. I'll go ahead and copy this over to AlliedModders since you want to bring it there too. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 15:05 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Your honeypot is more about you feeling like you have control than it is about bettering the community or taking a stand. I am not missing the point of a honeypot. I am a degree-wielding computer scientist, I know full well what a honeypot is. I also know that actual honeypots are looked down upon in the security sector and are pretty much useless (legally) when it comes to actually following through and taking action. They are a useful approach in terms of improving security (through statistical research), but since you're not Valve you're not really going to improve the core problem, are you? It's obvious you haven't thought things through. You state (I believe it was in your A-M thread) that the only reason people join servers running achievement maps is to farm. This is an incorrect assumption, but, even taking it to be true: -Why wait for people to earn an achievement before banning them? Just ban them on join. --The answer is because you want it to be full so you can get more to join and thus ban more. -So why not just report false clients? Perhaps Dan from Circle-X can help you out. He posts here. Though he still maintains that their servers are vanilla and absolutely don't report fake clients have fast respawns or shuffle you off to other servers. --The answer is because you actually want to toy with people and then deny them things. You enjoy wielding your power, and you will do so arbitrarily and with an inflated sense of self-righteousness. You are the worst kind of admin. You are as much of a problem to TF2 as the farmers, griefers, and exploiters. As to why your assumption is incorrect: Many people will simply join an achievement box to meet up with friends (right click friend, view game info, join!). Many people will simply join a server based on ping and player count, and not the map. Many people will not know what an achievement box map is, or that is considered a bad thing. If your argument is that people should know better, then I'd like to ask you about all the NEW players that will be playing TF2. If a free weekend is upon us, then there will be a lot of new players. Should someone be banned from your servers just because they joined your honeypot? Should they be banned from other servers who have picked up your list? Apparently you think it is an acceptable price to pay for maintaining what you think is a desirable decorum and behavior among your players. That's fine. What's not fine is you trying to push your beliefs on others, or you calling these people cheaters, detrimental, or other such things for having a differing opinion about how to play a game. If you had your way, those players would be banned from TF2 entirely. You are actively trying to spread your list of over 2000 bans. Do you really think that all those people deserve to be banned? (Yes, you do: These are known achievement farmers! Ban them NOW!) What you claim is dubious. Your intentions are not noble. Your methods are detrimental to TF2 as a whole. I will be looking for and joining your honeypot, then earning some achievement, so I never have to deal with your servers. From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:45:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Im in favor!!! On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Alec Sanger eclyp...@hotmail.com wrote: really, guys, why are we still discussing this. it's clear that everyone disagrees with sleeper. is your bitching and personal attacks going to make him take down the server? is he hurting anyone but himself? if the answer to both of these questions is no, I propose we drop it. all in favor? Thank you, Alec Sanger www.stompfest.com From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:05:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot Your honeypot is more about you feeling like you have control than it is about bettering the community or taking a stand. I am not missing the point of a honeypot. I am a degree-wielding computer scientist, I know full well what a honeypot is. I also know that actual honeypots are looked down upon in the security sector and are pretty much useless (legally) when it comes to actually following through and taking action. They are a useful approach in terms of improving security (through statistical research), but since you're not Valve you're not really going to improve the core problem, are you? It's obvious you haven't thought things through. You state (I believe it was in your A-M thread) that the only reason people join servers running achievement maps is to farm. This is an incorrect assumption, but, even taking it to be true: -Why wait for people to earn an achievement before banning them? Just ban them on join. --The answer is because you want it to be full so you can get more to join and thus ban more. -So why not just report false clients? Perhaps Dan from Circle-X can help you out. He posts here. Though he still maintains that their servers are vanilla and absolutely don't report fake clients have fast respawns or shuffle you off to other servers. --The answer is because you actually want to toy with people and then deny them things. You enjoy wielding your power, and you will do so arbitrarily and with an inflated sense of self-righteousness. You are the worst kind of admin. You are as much of a problem to TF2 as the farmers, griefers, and exploiters. As to why your assumption is incorrect: Many people will simply join an achievement box to meet up with friends (right click friend, view game info, join!). Many people will simply join a server based on ping and player count, and not the map. Many people will not know what an achievement box map is, or that is considered a bad thing. If your argument is that people should know better, then I'd like to ask you about all the NEW players that will be playing TF2. If a free weekend is upon us, then there will be a lot of new players. Should someone be banned from your servers just because they joined your honeypot? Should they be banned from other servers who have picked up your list? Apparently you think it is an acceptable price to pay for maintaining what you think is a desirable decorum and behavior among your players. That's fine. What's not fine is you trying to push your beliefs on others, or you calling these people cheaters, detrimental, or other such things for having a differing opinion about how to play a game. If you had your way, those players would be banned from TF2 entirely. You are actively trying to spread your list of over 2000 bans. Do you really think that all those people deserve to be banned? (Yes, you do: These are known achievement farmers! Ban them NOW!) What you claim is dubious. Your intentions are not noble. Your methods are detrimental to TF2 as a whole. I will be looking for and joining your honeypot, then earning some achievement, so I never have to deal with your servers. From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:45:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I'm doing this because somebody needs to take a stand. People are numb to the cheating, and nothing will every change when everyone is being complacent about it. Lastly, you are missing the point of a honeypot. Look up the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 The entire purpose of this is to make it looks like any other achievement server, to make farmers feel safe by joining it. I'm not going to respond to the personal attacks. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 13:35 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: If your server is full, and people are earning achievements then being banned from YOUR servers, you're being a hypocritical, selfish ass. You're running an achievement server that DOES let people farm achievements - they get one (maybe 2 or 3 depending on delay / simultaneous achievements) achievement (and probably progress towards others) before being banned. You
Re: [hlds] hlds Digest, Vol 12, Issue 186
Its not actually a cheat to go all out to get new unlocks when they are released, whether on an achievement or normal map, is it... -- From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Message-ID: 1235602280.11842.30.ca...@svm.conepuppy.com.conepuppy.com Content-Type: text/plain I have a full-time job and a life and everything else, and I earned every single Pyro achievement legitimately and I am only 3 or 4 away from doing the same for Heavy. I already said it, not having enough time isn't a good reason to cheat. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Neph's Plugin
Thank you KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 5:11 PM, DontWannaName! ad...@topnotchclan.com wrote: It was replaces with this http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=648834 On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: How about a link to Neph's command blocking plugin? Anyone? KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com wrote: I would also like a link to this plugin please ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
You already wrote me off as some kind of cheater based on circumstance... circumstance that this very list allowed. Now you're trying to peddle your wares using the very same list - knowing full well your data is already suspect... Such a tangled web you weave... -Original Message- The plugin is here: http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 My publicly available list of farmers is here: http://www.msleeper.com/tf2-achievement-farmers.html ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
Karl the best way to make him understand is go to the alied forums and his plugin page http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=86402 sign up and NUKE his Karma ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
Yay, I love you. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.comwrote: A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
What does this update do exactly? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Yay, I love you. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
Gets Jason laid, by the looks of things ;) Aj Collins wrote: What does this update do exactly? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Yay, I love you. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
I'm not pushing my beliefs or tactics on anyone Really? Achievement Farmers: Be Warned! Server admins are fighting back! You can help STOP achievement farming! Until Valve can find a way to stop those who belittle the meaning and purpose of Achievement and Unlockables, you can do something to stop them! Achievement farming ruins the integrity, the purpose, of achievements. The word achievement doesn't mean dick around in a map for 45 minutes and earn unlockables, and since Valve has yet to take a step towards stopping those who belittle the work and dedication of others, I have. Download the SourceMod plugin here. Take Back Team Fortress! These are known achievement farmers! Ban them NOW! You admit that joining the server running that map isn't wrong, yet you don't realize that some people will join and inadvertently earn an achievement? You don't realize that by setting the threshold of wrong to earning an achievement on an achievement server your honeypot is functioning just as any other achievement server? You claim over 2000 bans. I say you've aided and abetted in the farming of over 2000 achievements. You're a tool. From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:17:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot I wait for people to earn achievements before having them banned, because you're right, joining the map isn't doing anything wrong. Earning achievements on an achievement farming map on the other hand... I don't understand your comment about fake clients. My opinion of that is well known and I anxiously await the patch which will rid the world of fake clients. I'm not pushing my beliefs or tactics on anyone, and I'm not trying to force anyone to setup a honeypot server. If people want to follow my lead though, I am giving everyone the tools necessary to do so. And yes, I think every single 2100+ and counting people deserve to be banned. They cheated the system. Once again, if you want to continue this, I am on IRC and am happy to argue there. I'll go ahead and copy this over to AlliedModders since you want to bring it there too. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 15:05 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: Your honeypot is more about you feeling like you have control than it is about bettering the community or taking a stand. I am not missing the point of a honeypot. I am a degree-wielding computer scientist, I know full well what a honeypot is. I also know that actual honeypots are looked down upon in the security sector and are pretty much useless (legally) when it comes to actually following through and taking action. They are a useful approach in terms of improving security (through statistical research), but since you're not Valve you're not really going to improve the core problem, are you? It's obvious you haven't thought things through. You state (I believe it was in your A-M thread) that the only reason people join servers running achievement maps is to farm. This is an incorrect assumption, but, even taking it to be true: -Why wait for people to earn an achievement before banning them? Just ban them on join. --The answer is because you want it to be full so you can get more to join and thus ban more. -So why not just report false clients? Perhaps Dan from Circle-X can help you out. He posts here. Though he still maintains that their servers are vanilla and absolutely don't report fake clients have fast respawns or shuffle you off to other servers. --The answer is because you actually want to toy with people and then deny them things. You enjoy wielding your power, and you will do so arbitrarily and with an inflated sense of self-righteousness. You are the worst kind of admin. You are as much of a problem to TF2 as the farmers, griefers, and exploiters. As to why your assumption is incorrect: Many people will simply join an achievement box to meet up with friends (right click friend, view game info, join!). Many people will simply join a server based on ping and player count, and not the map. Many people will not know what an achievement box map is, or that is considered a bad thing. If your argument is that people should know better, then I'd like to ask you about all the NEW players that will be playing TF2. If a free weekend is upon us, then there will be a lot of new players. Should someone be banned from your servers just because they joined your honeypot? Should they be banned from other servers who have picked up your list? Apparently you think it is an acceptable price to pay for maintaining what you think is a desirable decorum and behavior among your players. That's fine. What's not fine is you trying to push your beliefs on others, or you calling these people cheaters, detrimental, or other such things for having a differing opinion about
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
Probably applies the data steam cloud gathered to lock away the weapons of anyone who used the unlocker. (Hint: It won't do that.) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:05:57 -0500 From: gamerzwo...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming What does this update do exactly? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Yay, I love you. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Same_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
hopefully spies crashing servers, and i swear natascha was reverted to its pre-fix slowdowns.:\\ I'd get hit by it, and it didn't feel like much of a slowdown. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Aj Collins gamerzwo...@gmail.com wrote: What does this update do exactly? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Yay, I love you. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
you're both wrong... they're changing the steamIDs to use 2 instead of 0: or 1: :P Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:12:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming Probably applies the data steam cloud gathered to lock away the weapons of anyone who used the unlocker. (Hint: It won't do that.) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:05:57 -0500 From: gamerzwo...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming What does this update do exactly? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Yay, I love you. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Same_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
Anyone see this? http://www.teamfortress.com/ *Honestly.* Please, do take a cursory glance at the missive directly below this one. Take care to notice its author, and the dismally recent date of its posting. Now imagine how profound my disappointment, to be called back again so soon to adminster justice to the melon-headed few of you who persist in fraudulence. I'd just sat down with the two things I enjoy most in life — the most recent issue of *Punishment Monthly* and a carton of cigarettes — when the alarm sounded. I feel like a dog owner who's rubbed her pet's nose in a mess on the carpet, only to turn around and discover it setting fire to the drapes. This time it seems a number of you used an external application to unlock all of your achievements in order to get items unfairly. Coming as a surprise to no one with the ability to retain memories of the recent past, I have taken these items from the perpetrators for one week. Can I trust that this episode has finally taught you a lesson? I should live so long. Having watched how the sorry lot of you comport yourselves on the battlefield and in the forums, I would consider it a small miracle to trust one of you enough to lick stamps without asphyxiating. My magazine awaits. *The Administrator* [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
That update's a SPY! From: eclyp...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:14:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming you're both wrong... they're changing the steamIDs to use 2 instead of 0: or 1: :P Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:12:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming Probably applies the data steam cloud gathered to lock away the weapons of anyone who used the unlocker. (Hint: It won't do that.) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:05:57 -0500 From: gamerzwo...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming What does this update do exactly? On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Yay, I love you. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Jason Ruymen jas...@valvesoftware.com wrote: A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Same_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
lmao. i love valve Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:16:21 -0800 From: mjr...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25 Anyone see this? http://www.teamfortress.com/ *Honestly.* Please, do take a cursory glance at the missive directly below this one. Take care to notice its author, and the dismally recent date of its posting. Now imagine how profound my disappointment, to be called back again so soon to adminster justice to the melon-headed few of you who persist in fraudulence. I'd just sat down with the two things I enjoy most in life — the most recent issue of *Punishment Monthly* and a carton of cigarettes — when the alarm sounded. I feel like a dog owner who's rubbed her pet's nose in a mess on the carpet, only to turn around and discover it setting fire to the drapes. This time it seems a number of you used an external application to unlock all of your achievements in order to get items unfairly. Coming as a surprise to no one with the ability to retain memories of the recent past, I have taken these items from the perpetrators for one week. Can I trust that this episode has finally taught you a lesson? I should live so long. Having watched how the sorry lot of you comport yourselves on the battlefield and in the forums, I would consider it a small miracle to trust one of you enough to lick stamps without asphyxiating. My magazine awaits. *The Administrator* [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
In before everyone says how this is unfair. Earn your unlocks the real way. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:16 -0800, Major NuT wrote: Anyone see this? http://www.teamfortress.com/ *Honestly.* Please, do take a cursory glance at the missive directly below this one. Take care to notice its author, and the dismally recent date of its posting. Now imagine how profound my disappointment, to be called back again so soon to adminster justice to the melon-headed few of you who persist in fraudulence. I'd just sat down with the two things I enjoy most in life — the most recent issue of *Punishment Monthly* and a carton of cigarettes — when the alarm sounded. I feel like a dog owner who's rubbed her pet's nose in a mess on the carpet, only to turn around and discover it setting fire to the drapes. This time it seems a number of you used an external application to unlock all of your achievements in order to get items unfairly. Coming as a surprise to no one with the ability to retain memories of the recent past, I have taken these items from the perpetrators for one week. Can I trust that this episode has finally taught you a lesson? I should live so long. Having watched how the sorry lot of you comport yourselves on the battlefield and in the forums, I would consider it a small miracle to trust one of you enough to lick stamps without asphyxiating. My magazine awaits. *The Administrator* [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
Hmmm only one week? KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Major NuT mjr...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://www.teamfortress.com/ *Honestly.* Please, do take a cursory glance at the missive directly below this one. Take care to notice its author, and the dismally recent date of its posting. Now imagine how profound my disappointment, to be called back again so soon to adminster justice to the melon-headed few of you who persist in fraudulence. I'd just sat down with the two things I enjoy most in life — the most recent issue of *Punishment Monthly* and a carton of cigarettes — when the alarm sounded. I feel like a dog owner who's rubbed her pet's nose in a mess on the carpet, only to turn around and discover it setting fire to the drapes. This time it seems a number of you used an external application to unlock all of your achievements in order to get items unfairly. Coming as a surprise to no one with the ability to retain memories of the recent past, I have taken these items from the perpetrators for one week. Can I trust that this episode has finally taught you a lesson? I should live so long. Having watched how the sorry lot of you comport yourselves on the battlefield and in the forums, I would consider it a small miracle to trust one of you enough to lick stamps without asphyxiating. My magazine awaits. *The Administrator* [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
I don't think anyone disagrees that using an automatic unlocking program is considered cheating. Thank you, Alec Sanger P: 248.941.3813 F: 313.286.8945 From: mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:25:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25 In before everyone says how this is unfair. Earn your unlocks the real way. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 16:16 -0800, Major NuT wrote: Anyone see this? http://www.teamfortress.com/ *Honestly.* Please, do take a cursory glance at the missive directly below this one. Take care to notice its author, and the dismally recent date of its posting. Now imagine how profound my disappointment, to be called back again so soon to adminster justice to the melon-headed few of you who persist in fraudulence. I'd just sat down with the two things I enjoy most in life — the most recent issue of *Punishment Monthly* and a carton of cigarettes — when the alarm sounded. I feel like a dog owner who's rubbed her pet's nose in a mess on the carpet, only to turn around and discover it setting fire to the drapes. This time it seems a number of you used an external application to unlock all of your achievements in order to get items unfairly. Coming as a surprise to no one with the ability to retain memories of the recent past, I have taken these items from the perpetrators for one week. Can I trust that this episode has finally taught you a lesson? I should live so long. Having watched how the sorry lot of you comport yourselves on the battlefield and in the forums, I would consider it a small miracle to trust one of you enough to lick stamps without asphyxiating. My magazine awaits. *The Administrator* [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
I agree, I think they should just loose them if they gain more then some amount at once. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Mike Stiehm mikesti...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm only one week? KennyLoggins ClanAO.com On Feb 25, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Major NuT mjr...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://www.teamfortress.com/ *Honestly.* Please, do take a cursory glance at the missive directly below this one. Take care to notice its author, and the dismally recent date of its posting. Now imagine how profound my disappointment, to be called back again so soon to adminster justice to the melon-headed few of you who persist in fraudulence. I'd just sat down with the two things I enjoy most in life — the most recent issue of *Punishment Monthly* and a carton of cigarettes — when the alarm sounded. I feel like a dog owner who's rubbed her pet's nose in a mess on the carpet, only to turn around and discover it setting fire to the drapes. This time it seems a number of you used an external application to unlock all of your achievements in order to get items unfairly. Coming as a surprise to no one with the ability to retain memories of the recent past, I have taken these items from the perpetrators for one week. Can I trust that this episode has finally taught you a lesson? I should live so long. Having watched how the sorry lot of you comport yourselves on the battlefield and in the forums, I would consider it a small miracle to trust one of you enough to lick stamps without asphyxiating. My magazine awaits. *The Administrator* [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
Darn...I was hoping for another month. They don't deserve their items. :) On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Major NuT mjr...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone see this? http://www.teamfortress.com/ *Honestly.* Please, do take a cursory glance at the missive directly below this one. Take care to notice its author, and the dismally recent date of its posting. Now imagine how profound my disappointment, to be called back again so soon to adminster justice to the melon-headed few of you who persist in fraudulence. I'd just sat down with the two things I enjoy most in life — the most recent issue of *Punishment Monthly* and a carton of cigarettes — when the alarm sounded. I feel like a dog owner who's rubbed her pet's nose in a mess on the carpet, only to turn around and discover it setting fire to the drapes. This time it seems a number of you used an external application to unlock all of your achievements in order to get items unfairly. Coming as a surprise to no one with the ability to retain memories of the recent past, I have taken these items from the perpetrators for one week. Can I trust that this episode has finally taught you a lesson? I should live so long. Having watched how the sorry lot of you comport yourselves on the battlefield and in the forums, I would consider it a small miracle to trust one of you enough to lick stamps without asphyxiating. My magazine awaits. *The Administrator* [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
It would not be hard to apply some heuristics to the data to weed out those that get a string of achievements in a short period of time regardless of how they did it. Solves both the cheating and the server abuse issues. -- Matt Lyons (Bsc CS Soft Eng) Content Administrator, Internode Systems Level 3, 132 Grenfell St, Adelaide SA 5000 Ph: (08) 8228 2877 E-mail: mly...@internode.com.au WWW: www.internode.com.au In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; In practice, there is. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Blog 2-25
I was hoping they would do what they did with the medic and take them away period. MAke them re do it ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Team Fortress 2 Update Coming
Is there anyway we could get a figure of how many people are getting their achievements stripped? Exact number, ballpark figure, anything. I am extremely curious. On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 15:53 -0800, Jason Ruymen wrote: A required update for Team Fortress 2 is on the way. It should be live in about 30 minutes. Jason ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
