Re: WLM and response time

2018-02-14 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
Percentile response times are only useful if there are sufficient transactions to make a useful calculation. 90% of 5 transactions is useless, 90% of 100 transactions gives useful measures. Kees. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: DASD problem

2018-02-14 Thread Alan(GMAIL)Watthey
Tommy, This sounds like the PPRC links might be a bit slow or there are not enough of them. What do you have? Direct DASD to DASD or via a single SAN switch or even cascaded? What settings (Gbps) are all the interfaces running at (you can ask the switch for the switch and RMF for the DASD)?

Managing Archival Tape DSN for $AVRS

2018-02-14 Thread Peter
Hello Just trying to understand how are others in group are managing the Archival process for $AVRS database JOBlogs. Here in our shop I am trying to set a retention in tape as GDG. How are you handling the tape rention when you have GDG TAPE dsn created in VTAPE ? If anyone is interested to sh

Re: IBM Debug tool issue

2018-02-14 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Same thing, The called program is entered in a debug session -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Debug tool issue Wha

Re: WLM and response time

2018-02-14 Thread Gerhard Adam
For additional clarification, consider a batch response time goal of 10 minutes. If we assume 5 initiators, and the service class is managed by transaction class for these 5 initiators, then how do I not risk have a policy adjustment interval where there is only one response time sample in any

Re: WLM and response time

2018-02-14 Thread Gerhard Adam
Well, this may seem like an obvious answer, but I can't tell if I'm confusing myself or missing something. If I use a long response time (like 10 minutes for batch), then I would think that I only consider that during the Performance Adjustment interval in which the transaction ends. Yet that

Re: IBM Debug tool issue

2018-02-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
What happens if you use STEP OVER instead of STEP? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Gadi Ben-Avi Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 6:30 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Debug tool issue For example, the first program has a statem

Re: DASD problem

2018-02-14 Thread Tommy Tsui
We can't use xcr mode because of RTO and RPO requirements, all DASD must in sync mode, Jesse 1 Robinson 於 2018年2月15日 星期四寫道: > When we started mirroring for DR around 2000, we opted for XCF (now > something-something-for-z/OS) over PPRC because of possible I/O impact. XRC > was asynchronous, so m

Re: DASD problem

2018-02-14 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
When we started mirroring for DR around 2000, we opted for XCF (now something-something-for-z/OS) over PPRC because of possible I/O impact. XRC was asynchronous, so mirroring might get behind but not impact production. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Tea

DASD problem

2018-02-14 Thread Tommy Tsui
> > Hi all, Our shop found the most job elapse time prolong due to pprc synchronization versus without pprc mode. It's almost 4 times faster if without pprc synchronization. Is there any parameters we need to tune on z/os or disk subsystem side? We found the % disk util in RMF report over 80, Any

Re: Question for COBOL users

2018-02-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:52:35 -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >I remain puzzled that a need with a solution as obvious as PARMDD >causes an RFE. I agree. The customer who wants the COBOL compiler to always use SYSOPTF could just as easily code PARMDD instead, and get the functionality that they req

Re: PDSE V2 Corruption - A Warning - Correction (kinda)

2018-02-14 Thread Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)
IBM has taken an APAR on this: >From IBM: === APAR OA54890 has been opened. Additionally, DSC has a number of setup/processing parameters. Under my setup an edit of a no

Re: Question for COBOL users

2018-02-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 11:41:31 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >FWIW, I am guessing "255" was simply a brain-glitch for 100, and had no >basis in any actual technology. > On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:42:20 -0800, Tom Ross wrote: >... >Someone else asked what the COMPILER limit for reading the PARM= >optio

Re: Question for COBOL users

2018-02-14 Thread Charles Mills
FWIW, I am guessing "255" was simply a brain-glitch for 100, and had no basis in any actual technology. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LI

Re: RMM question

2018-02-14 Thread Benik, John E
Good point Tom. The system where we have implemented this is on 2.2, but I don't have any of the 2.1 manuals to see if this was part of it or not. It was a pleasure deleting VRS's especially since they just tied back to an SMS management class. As for the other systems we are waiting until th

Re: Question for COBOL users

2018-02-14 Thread Frank Swarbrick
So I figured I'd test this, rather than just guessing or trying to remember what is true. //CLGO JOB ,'COMPILE/LINK/GO',NOTIFY=&SYSUID // SET COBLIB=IGY.V5R2M0 // JCLLIB ORDER=(&COBLIB..SIGYPROC) //*--* //CLGO EXEC IG

Re: RMM question

2018-02-14 Thread Tom Conley
On 2/14/2018 12:23 PM, Benik, John E wrote: Yes I know that but our company is also moving away from VRS's in my opinion doing something like this... MCATTR(ALL)/* USE SMS MANAGEMENT. */ - RM(EXPDT(GDG(WHILECATALOG(UNTILEXPIRED),RETPD(0)) - NOGDG(WHILECATALOG(UNTILEXPIRED)

Interesting paragraph in a blog on z/Linux

2018-02-14 Thread John McKown
https://jimporell.com/2018/02/13/porting-an-enterprise-app-to-system-z-my-experience-part-4-of-4-the-value-and-future/ The above was the 4th of a 4 part blog series on porting a Linux app from Amazon AWS to z/Linux. I found it interesting. But especially the next paragraph: Docker inside z/

Re: Best Practices for z/OS Maintenance

2018-02-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:38:46 -0600, Dana Mitchell wrote: >I like this too, is there any way to handle recursive automounts like: > >OMVS.SIZUROOT.RES001 on /service/res001/usr/lpp/zosmf/ Alas, no, unless things have changed when I was doing this. And now I must confess that it has been a while

Re: PDSE V2 Corruption - A Warning - Correction (kinda)

2018-02-14 Thread Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)
According to IBM PDSE L2 this is not true corruption but an issue with IEBPDSE for which an APAR will be created. -- Lionel B. Dyck < Mainframe Systems Programmer - TRA -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discus

Re: RMM question

2018-02-14 Thread Benik, John E
Yes I know that but our company is also moving away from VRS's in my opinion doing something like this... MCATTR(ALL)/* USE SMS MANAGEMENT. */ - RM(EXPDT(GDG(WHILECATALOG(UNTILEXPIRED),RETPD(0)) - NOGDG(WHILECATALOG(UNTILEXPIRED),RETPD(0)) - LASTREF(0) CA

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Best Practices for z/OS Maintenance

2018-02-14 Thread Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh
"what DFDSS does with respect to DUMPing and COPYing zFS filesystems, quite the nightmare " Hey Tom, In the tiniest chances that you're seeing some zFS not being updated, I would suggest reviewing the DSS dump job to see if all he zFSes you intended to dump got dumped. I learnt only recently t

Re: RMM question

2018-02-14 Thread Tom Conley
On 2/14/2018 11:18 AM, Benik, John E wrote: From: Benik, John E Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:22 AM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: RMM question We have been looking at changing from VRSEL to Retention Method processing. However our understanding is that in Z/OS 2.3 a lo

Re: Question on Autologon for JES2 REMOTES HASP207

2018-02-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
JES2? I still remember STR. How can I purge the memory> -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subj

Re: RMM question

2018-02-14 Thread Benik, John E
From: Benik, John E Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:22 AM To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: RMM question We have been looking at changing from VRSEL to Retention Method processing. However our understanding is that in Z/OS 2.3 a lot of the functionality performed by the exit

Re: CKD #2 - KEY

2018-02-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
Yes, you can allocate a nonVSAM file with a key area; why would you want to? If you are reading key and data then the block size includes both. Which table? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List o

Re: CKD #2 - KEY

2018-02-14 Thread Pew, Curtis G
On Feb 14, 2018, at 9:47 AM, R.S. wrote: > > 1. KEY > Nowadays there are two "datasets" using hardware key: VTOC and PDS directory. > What about other files? Is it possible to allocate new dataset with hardware > key? > According to JCL Reference, KEYLEN keyword can be used for VSAM KSDS or for

CKD #2 - KEY

2018-02-14 Thread R.S.
(further questions about CKD on DASD and related topics) 1. KEY Nowadays there are two "datasets" using hardware key: VTOC and PDS directory. What about other files? Is it possible to allocate new dataset with hardware key? According to JCL Reference, KEYLEN keyword can  be used for VSAM KSDS o

Re: Apply error WAS product

2018-02-14 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 2/14/2018 9:47 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: That is correct. And there is no need to apply A or B if you plan to apply C. But there should be no harm in specifying all three in the apply. If it doesn't work, at least one of the PTFs must be incorrectly constructed. Does the check for whether a

Re: Best Practices for z/OS Maintenance

2018-02-14 Thread Dana Mitchell
I like this too, is there any way to handle recursive automounts like: OMVS.SIZUROOT.RES001 on /service/res001/usr/lpp/zosmf/ Dana On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:04:52 -0500, Tom Conley wrote: >On 2/14/2018 7:58 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: >> /SERVICE/ alone cannot handle more than one release (or main

Re: Apply error WAS product

2018-02-14 Thread Neubert, Kevin
APAR/PTF table for WebSphere Application Server V8.5 for z/OS https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27036476 Confirming Fix Pack 8.5.5.9 is applied? Fix Pack 8.5.5.13 is available. Are you able to apply the related PTFs to eliminate need for PI87811/UI50772? Regards, Kevin -O

Re: z/OS MF environment - effort estimation.

2018-02-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
Yes - this is a It Depends kind of answer How active is the environment Are you providing application support or just system software support Do you have a lot of changes going on or only a few Do you have a lot of database applications or only a few Do you have a lot of third part pr

Re: z/OS MF environment - effort estimation.

2018-02-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 02:21:47 -0600, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: > >>... and general hand holding. > >Hehehe, is it already Friday? ;-) > No. St. Valentine's Day. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instruc

Re: Apply error WAS product

2018-02-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 07:50:46 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: >On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:27:35 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: > >>I thought that if PTF A was superseded by B, and B superseded >>by C, then SMPE would only install only C and mark A and B as >>SUP'D. That logic, if it obtains, always made s

PDSE V2 Corruption - A Warning

2018-02-14 Thread Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)
If you are using PDSE V2 libraries with member generations enabled be aware that native ISPF, and potentially other tools, allow you to actually EDIT a generation. When doing this and doing a SAVE the updated generation does not replace the base member and no new generation is created. BUT what

Re: Apply error WAS product

2018-02-14 Thread John Eells
Matthew Stitt wrote: With WAS, I've encountered certain PTFs (fixpacks) which supersede other ones and create errors like this when both (or more) fixpacks are being applied at once. The solution I've found is to apply each fixpack separately. And indeed, there are some with HOLDs for ACTIO

Re: Best Practices for z/OS Maintenance

2018-02-14 Thread Tom Conley
On 2/14/2018 7:58 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: /SERVICE/ alone cannot handle more than one release (or maintenance level) concurrently. What I was talking about was using Automount to manage /SERVICE in a manner similar to the way many shops manage /u. When a path beginning with /SERVICE/RES001 is

Re: Apply error WAS product

2018-02-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 23:27:35 +, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: >I thought that if PTF A was superseded by B, and B superseded >by C, then SMPE would only install only C and mark A and B as >SUP'D. That logic, if it obtains, always made sense to me. That is correct. And there is no need to apply A

Re: IBM Debug tool issue

2018-02-14 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
For example, the first program has a statement: CALL C-KVOLVAAD USING .. A breakpoint is set for the statement before the call, so the program stop. The user issue the STEP command. The display moves to the first statement in the called program. The user wants the called program to be executed,

Re: Best Practices for z/OS Maintenance

2018-02-14 Thread Tom Marchant
/SERVICE/ alone cannot handle more than one release (or maintenance level) concurrently. What I was talking about was using Automount to manage /SERVICE in a manner similar to the way many shops manage /u. When a path beginning with /SERVICE/RES001 is referenced by SMP/E, a filesystem named, e.

Re: IBM Debug tool issue

2018-02-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Gadi Ben-Avi wrote: >When using Debug Tool under CICS, every time a CALL statement is encountered >the debugger steps into the called program. >Is there a way to just have the called program called and not show its >internal workings. It depends. Assuming 'show its internal workings' are deb

Re: z/OS MF environment - effort estimation.

2018-02-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Rugen, Len wrote: >When things break and the application support team doesn't find a fix, the >systems team will eventually get involved. ... tell me... I have been there (called in), got a dirty T-shirt for all my troubles... >The vendors typically won't help and management will demand a s

IBM Debug tool issue

2018-02-14 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Hi, When using Debug Tool under CICS, every time a CALL statement is encountered the debugger steps into the called program. Is there a way to just have the called program called and not show its internal workings. We are using Debug Tool v14.1, z/OS v2.2, COBOL v6 and CICS TS v5.4. Thanks Ga

Re: z/OS MF environment - effort estimation.

2018-02-14 Thread Rugen, Len
When things break and the application support team doesn't find a fix, the systems team will eventually get involved. The vendors typically won't help and management will demand a solution;l "you must have changed something in the system". It just takes longer when they bring problems in dea

Re: z/OS MF environment - effort estimation.

2018-02-14 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Rugen, Len wrote: >... and general hand holding. Hehehe, is it already Friday? ;-) I like this one phrase above 'care and feed' the z/OS or any system... Thanks! ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subs