On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:28:16AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
Alex Page wrote:
When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of
little signs over the classroom walls saying things like
"It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum little things
like that in.
I hope it
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:16:18 +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and
similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we
never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my
adult hatred of Excel) and as
From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Barbie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of
the
english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky
enough
to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so
Alex Page wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes
you think
dcross - David Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When I was at secondary school (75 - 79) ITA was used to teach reading to a
remedial class. As (supposedly) one of the brighter pupils in my year, I got
to spend a couple of hours a week helping out in this class, which is where
I picked up ITA.
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled
during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually
taught you, as opposed to
Quoting Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I remember arguing with a teacher who told us gravity was caused by
the Earth spinning round who refused to accept that the child she was
teaching actually knew more about it than her.
Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day after
being 'impolite to the teacher' when I refused (loudly) to accept his
version of the first moonlanding where Aldrin got out first.
Had large arguments with English teacher about
An somewhat sceptical essay I wrote on whether psychology was a science
for my A' level psychology course came back with "You can argue that
psychology is a science, you can't argue that it isn't" written on it.
I thought that rather nicely proved my point.
Tony
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:05:10PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
ObTopic:
[snip lots of stuff about perl]
Excuse me, where was the topical stuff there?
dha
--
David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
Your Aunt Linda should maybe stay away from the Manischewitz. Or
stop
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:29:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
its amazing how hard it is to disguise the fact you just set fire to
a roll of magnesium ribbon.
...but hardly surprising. :_)
One of the administrators of my school found me sitting out in the
hallway reading a book and
Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was
schooled
during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually
taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify
"Barbie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of the
english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky enough
to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so probably faired
better than most.
Fared?
Greg McCarroll IS Tommy Cooper!
Stand-up comedy slots at TPC would get my vote.
P
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:29:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
I was a cheeky brat as a child,
I remember having an argument once with a teacher, whose comeback
was - well if you don't study harder what
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Tell all your friends. No heckling.
Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-)
-Dom
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Tell all your friends. No heckling.
Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-)
That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling."
Doesn't
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:37:07AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Tell all your friends. No heckling.
Does that mean we can heckle but they
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if truth
Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ObPerl: So which is harder to parse? Perl or English?
Time flies like an arrow
Fruit flies like a banana
Parse that and stay fashionable...
--
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star
* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Tell all your friends. No heckling.
Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-)
That
From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:17
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
Me too, ('74
On 4 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ObPerl: So which is harder to parse? Perl or English?
Time flies like an arrow
Fruit flies like a banana
Parse that and stay fashionable...
They're both Type 0, though one *could* argue that Perl was
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
Me too, ('74
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)
In english?
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm = 'Profero Ltd',Web =
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:32:22AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Dave...
[who makes lots of typos - but _knows_ they are typos]
There's nothing wrong with typos. It's obvious that they are tyops from
the error. It just means that the person was thinking faster than
typing and forgot the
From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:46
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)
In english?
8pm
Dave...
--
The information contained in this communication is
confidential, is intended only for the use of the
From: dcross - David Cross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)
True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) here as well? .
These are trivially simple rules to
True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.)
here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn
- so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something
about the education system and the attitude of the pupils therein.
I don't know which education
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:39:55AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
I don't know which education system you went through, but I was taught all
this stuff at primary school. I think it's just because the pupils couln't
be beggared to learn it properly (as you suggest), preferring to subscribe
to
Dean sent the following bits through the ether:
Is it just me or do we seem to thread drift a lot recently...
Yes - I've noticed this recently ;-)
ObTopic: Yup, did Perl grammar, and French and German and seven years
of Latin and I think I'm really good at it too and don't talk to me
about
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.)
here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn
- so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something
about the education system and the attitude of the
I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and
similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we
never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my
adult hatred of Excel) and as far as I'm aware none of my friends of
the same age did
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:31:41AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above
^^
Uhm,
soapboax
Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy
decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the
order of the day.
Oy! That's my family (lefty teachers) you're talking about! I went through
the state comprehensive system and was never touched by
From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 12:24
I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour
of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?)
Nope, never heard of it. I learned to read proper english, as did everyone
else I know who was
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:00:08AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression,
society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you
need before you can go out and break the rules. Like having the
musical basics before you go
Simon Cozens wrpte_
package four; use subs qw(print); sub print{die@_}; print four things;
# (Why doesn't that one work properly?)
Answer one: see toke.c (I guess)
Answer two: because print is special. Even without a package, you can't call
a subroutine of yours that you've named print just
- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Jones" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oy! That's my family (lefty teachers) you're talking about! I went through
the state comprehensive system and was never touched by these so-called
"trendy teaching methods". And my Dad was one of these apparently "loony
Title: RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Dave said:
soapboax
Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy
decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the
order of the day.
I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:31:41AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
and documented. They're not in English.
Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above
Uhm, where?
The perl source code *is* the documentation. There is no direct equivalent
for the English language, as it is really whatever we think
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:40PM +0100, Clarke, Darren wrote:
On the other hand not using decent grammar because it wasn't taught seems a
bit lazy. Admittedly I'm not the best at written words in emails but I
figure most intelligent people will rise above their background as the
situation
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:00:08AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression,
society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you
need before you can go out and break the rules.
"Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
An example (although slightly irrelevant to most of you it is still
appropriate) I come from Luton. Most people who live there say "Lu'on" (or
something). Many people have asked me over the years where I come from and
don't believe me when I
From: Dave Hodgkinson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
And of course, the best English speakers are probably the Scots and
the Welsh. Discuss!
I'm not so sure about the Welsh you know ;-)
Re. the Scots, me apart, it depends on which part of Scotland. Some of the
clearest and most pleasant English
At 03:18 PM 4.4.2001 +0100, you wrote:
The Ramones are *still* using the same three chords they
were in the '70s.
You mean the Ramones got back together? Cool!
;)
(Well, they used the same three chords to the bitter end, but that's not quite what
you said. My brother has a live album that
Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy
decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the
order of the day.
I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour
of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?) in 1970, finally
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
/usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
I'm afraid that's as silly as me declaring that there's only one correct
parsing of English,
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
/usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
I'm afraid that's as silly as me declaring
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
/usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
I'm afraid that's as silly as me declaring
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
/usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes you think about your
grammar in
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:51:31AM -0400, Alex Page wrote:
AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes you think about your
grammar in English. I did Latin to A-level, and remembering which form of qui to use
in a given situation really helps you work out that whole who / whom
On 4 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree with you about education, but all the best punk bands
started off without the first idea how to play any of their
instruments :-)
Stranglers? The Pistols?
All had their fair share of
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