Re: Maths Problem

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Chris Benson wrote: Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what is the largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without overlap? On a circle it's easy to see it's just less than the radius of the circle. Not so easy with a sphere. Well, first off, the circles

Re: Maths Problem

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:01:05AM +0100, Chris Benson wrote: Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what is the largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without overlap? On a circle it's easy to see it's just less than the radius of the circle. Not so easy with a

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Dave Cross wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland at the moment That's just down the road in comparison to some of the people that consider themselves members of london.pm :)

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Greg McCarroll wrote: I was just playing around and wrote http://217.34.97.146/~gem/perl/lpm_cpan_lb.cgi Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Greg McCarroll wrote: I'll cleanup/optimize/add error checking tommorow. but i thought i'd let you see it tonight for fun and advance warning. And remove the trailing comma? (Perhaps use 'join' rather than 'map $_,' or whatever?) If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the

RE: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:33 AM Dave Cross wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:53:30PM +0200, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'll have to be an honourary member since I'm in Switzerland at the moment That's just down the road in

Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel. Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight costs by a couple of quid (£71 inc card charg of 3 quid)! still thats not bad

Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Well, I'm now 'official' all the way, flights and hotel. Easyjey seem to have worked it out and have put up the flight costs by a couple of quid (£71

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Now imagine a big field, with a treasure chest in the middle of it - this is your security. Now, imagine the chest is buried in the field, and no-one saw me bury it. This is my security. Snip enormous security through obscurity tirade However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Now imagine a big field, with a treasure chest in the middle of it - this is your security. Now, imagine the chest is buried in the field, and no-one saw me bury it. This is my security. Snip enormous security through

Re: YAPC::Europe: flights, hotels and minigolf.

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Peterson
we can even stand outside the business lounge and wave in at Dave Cross who will be stroking his gold plated cat and enjoying a gimlet Is this some SM reference? How does one enjoy a gimlet? Gouge it into the cat maybe -- Jonathan Peterson Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, 020 7383 6092

Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Cross David - dcross
Tired of government websites that only cater for browsers with non-standard proprietary extensions (cf http://www.gateway.gov.uk. Don't jsut sit there complaining - do something positive about it! http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/Browse/Fulltextjob/0,1755,100124337,00.html Dave... [who won't be

Re: CMS frameworks

2001-06-18 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 10:33:57AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Some guys out here in Brizzle want to do Yet Another CMS. Are there any frameworks out there they can plug together to make something plausible? I guess bits of the 2.0 slashcode do the job nicely, what with being TT based

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-18 Thread Simon Wistow
Paul Mison wrote: On 15/06/2001 at 09:17 +0100, Dean wrote: Are there any plans for a group of London PMer's to fly over together or is the whole thing going to be ad hoc? Not yet, no. (Oh, and what are the cheapest flights from London City? Living in skanky East London's got to be good

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Simon Wistow
Greg McCarroll wrote: If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people who looked london.pm-ish to test it. But I have two modules up there at the moment ...

Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Leo Lapworth
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:59:52AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Tired of government websites that only cater for browsers with non-standard proprietary extensions (cf http://www.gateway.gov.uk. Don't jsut sit there complaining - do something positive about it!

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Piers Cawley
Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now imagine a big field, with a treasure chest in the middle of it - this is your security. Now, imagine the chest is buried in the field, and no-one saw me bury it. This is my security. Snip enormous security through

Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Leo Lapworth wrote: 2) Oh, yea, make your designers code and your coders design, that'll make for a good site - honest. Though if the designers have some idea of what is and what isn't possible/easy to implement, maybe we wouldn't have so many image roll-overs, blank one-pixel GIFs, tables

RE: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Paul Mison
On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.) Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in Australia. Leon, how about a london.pm world map :)

Re: CMS frameworks

2001-06-18 Thread Simon Wistow
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any other offers? http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/ Why do all these things have to look like Slashdot? It that now the ONLY metaphor for these things. I know Nielsen would approve

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Simon Wistow wrote: [Rotterdam] There are flights to Amsterdam from there but they're about 120 quid :( So take the train? Only takes an hour with the IC, and it's probably cheaper than flying on such a short distance. You can even go straight to Diemen Zuid if you're going to the conference

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Simon Wistow
Paul Mison wrote: On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: (I suppose Simon Cozens had him beat while he was in Japan, but was he part of London.pm then? I think he is now.) Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in Australia. Leon, how

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Peter Haworth
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:39:31 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people who looked london.pm-ish to test it. Please include PMH on

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Peter Haworth
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:58:09 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:39:31 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: If i haven't got your CPAN id included in the list at the bottom please email me off list, i just skipped through the who's who very quickly getting a decent list of people

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Leon Brocard
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: There are modules out there for doing IP2LL http://www.astray.com/Bath.pm/near.cgi even worked in Montreal. Fails for btinternet atm though... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative

Re: CMS frameworks

2001-06-18 Thread Leon Brocard
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: 'cos they're all based on the Slash code? Which isn't all that amenable to total reskinning. Oh look, that slashcode 2.0 uses Template Toolkit... Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Mark Fowler
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is going to go round killing every peasant in

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 10:35:08AM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: On 18/06/2001 at 09:02 +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in Australia. Leon, how about a london.pm world map :) Combine it with the (sadly mythical) IP2LL and it'd

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:15:02AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: There are modules out there for doing IP2LL http://www.astray.com/Bath.pm/near.cgi even worked in Montreal. Fails for btinternet atm though... Eh-hem. Apparently my

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Alex Page
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: I must have imagined London.pm. Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!! Alex -- Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic tubing, that's all you need. http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Rob Partington
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eh-hem. Apparently my nearest five groups are Belfast, SouthWales, Glasgow, Bathgate and Manchester. I couldn't tell, sorry. Use the map instead. Waah, it hates me! -- rob partington % [EMAIL PROTECTED] %

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Rob Partington wrote: I couldn't tell, sorry. Use the map instead. Same here. But at least it got it right that penderel aka london.pm.org is in LONDON, ENGLAND (country), UK. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of

e-smith

2001-06-18 Thread Cross David - dcross
Tangentially on-topic for this list because of skud's involvement... I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and install server/gateway system that manages mail, firewalling, file-sharing,

Re: e-smith

2001-06-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Tangentially on-topic for this list because of skud's involvement... What is this 'topic' of which you speak? I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on the CD. According to the blurb,

Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:41:57AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Users will say: I don't have Flash and don't want to download it. Therefore, I should leave out the Flash bits of the site. Users will say: I read that JavaScript can expose security holes, so I'll turn it off. Therefore, I will make

Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Roger Burton West wrote: Users will say: Ooh! Shiny!. You need to get some better users. Cheers, philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Re: e-smith

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: Tangentially on-topic for this list because of skud's involvement... What is this 'topic' of which you speak? Something matching /^[fyreub ]+\z/i, I think. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL

Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread will
- Original Message - From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Government Websites Roger Burton West wrote: Users will say: Ooh! Shiny!. You need to get some better users. That could be a viable business

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Jonathan Peterson wrote: However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is

Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-18 Thread Mark Hynes
On Jun 17, David Cantrell wrote: Out of interest, does anyone know if it's done in-house or contracted out? (I strongly suspect the latter) The latter. Via EDS and Microsoft, I believe. *shudder* EDS. That explains it then! This incompetence is further manifested in their choice of

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Alex Page wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:11:50PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: I must have imagined London.pm. Thank God! It was all a horrible, horrible dream!!! Yeah, well at least you all didn't dream about that guy with the cheese... L. Speako.

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote: However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is going to go round killing every

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I play Herod in a school play once. Go figure. Aargh...played. Maybe I should go and imbibe some of that caffeine stuff. For what its worth I saw nothing wrong with your original message. -- Greg McCarroll

Re: www.gateway.gov.uk

2001-06-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 02:00:32PM +0100, Mark Hynes wrote: On Jun 17, David Cantrell wrote: david@lapdog:~$ HEAD http://www.gateway.gov.uk|grep ^Server Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 That, and EDS and Microsoft being involved. Ah, so primarily blind bigotism then. No, they're using

Accomodation for YAPC::Europe

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
Jouke is currently arranging reasonably priced hotel accomodation for London.pm. He needs you to fill out the little informal form he posted on YAPC::Europe's mailing list. This is an excellent way to get your accomodation arranged quickly and easily and end up spending time in a hotel with

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably? Me Andy M. probably, living on the left coast. Paul

Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
Friends, HELP! In a moment of stupidity[1] I agreed to write an article for lathos on templating solutions for Perl. This was an attempt to finally break my writing block/issues/mindset problems. It is going to be a compare and contrast article and so far I've looked at, Template

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Paul Makepeace wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably? Me Andy M. probably, living on the left coast. You forgot Damian (as had I). Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own,

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: In a moment of stupidity[1] I agreed to write an article for lathos on templating solutions for Perl. This was an attempt to finally break my writing block/issues/mindset problems. It is going to be a compare and contrast

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Leo Lapworth
Greg, I did this (just for TT2 and HTML::Template) for torrington, results (REALLY badly formatted *blushes to admit it was done in word and saved to HTML*) can be seen at: http://torrington.cuckoo.org/template_systems.shtml No (c) on it.. so feel free to hack and copy as you will. Hope it's

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Leon Brocard
Greg McCarroll sent the following bits through the ether: In a moment of stupidity[1] Fool. There are at least 30 other Perl templating systems. See the templating systems benchmark last week on the mod_perl list for example. Perrin Harkins is presenting Choosing a Templating System at oscon,

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Robert Price
At 04:36 PM 6/18/01 +0100, Greg wrote: In a moment of stupidity[1] I agreed to write an article for lathos on templating solutions for Perl. This was an attempt to finally break my writing block/issues/mindset problems. It is going to be a compare and contrast article and so far I've looked at,

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Leo Lapworth
Oi, Rob, What's this, Home grown (and not smokable), I left Emap too early if your not a TT2 convert yet. We can 'do lunch' later this week and I'll bash you with some TT2 docs or something :) Leo On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:57:17PM +0100, Robert Price wrote: It may be a good idea to

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Steve Mynott
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Template Toolkit HTML::Mason Text::Template HTML::Template HTML::Embperl Also Apache::ASP searching for template on CPAN also gets quite a lot of hits... -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: YAPC::Europe

2001-06-18 Thread Merijn Broeren
Quoting Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I was hoping for a lovely cheap flight from London City to Amsterdam but VLM (who I can get cheap flight from) only fly to Rotterdam :( So? There are flights to Amsterdam from there but they're about 120 quid :( Will try and see if I can get

Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Merijn Broeren
Quoting Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Users will say: Ooh! Shiny!. Poing-poing-poing! -- Merijn Broeren | Fact: GPRS does not work if the Mobile Station (your phone, Software Geek | that is) moves faster than 500 km/h. Tip: NEVER drive faster than 450 km/h if you

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Peterson
I like ePerl, comprised of Apache::ePerl Parse::ePerl It's a very simple does what it says on the tin way of embedding perl in any other (text) fine, plus it has low level access to what it does in it's parse routine. Handy in many situations, I find. No new versions since 1998 and none

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: First, are there any others that I should look at? Also I'd really like any objective input people have about templating with these modules. It is important to me to try and not just get the article done and dusted, but for once to

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? I'm willing to be enlightened here. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Struan Donald
* at 18/06 17:21 +0100 Roger Burton West said: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: The main reason I prefer H::T to T::T is that H::T templates can be given to Dreamweaver monkeys to edit without my having to worry that they'll screw them up. That is an

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? i think it one of two schools of thought is your template a Template or a Rich

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? I'm willing to be enlightened here. Mainly maintainability. In

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:39:11PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Leo Lapworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oi, Rob, What's this, Home grown (and not smokable), I left Emap too early if your not a TT2 convert yet. We can 'do lunch' later this week and I'll bash you with some TT2 docs or something :) Oooh! Me too! -- Dave Hodgkinson,

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? I'm willing to be enlightened here. Separation of code and data -

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Niklas Nordebo
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:38:44AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the trick is to give to a peasant, because no adventurer is going to go round

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Simon Wilcox
Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? I'm willing to be enlightened here. A couple of reasons. Separation of code presentation is

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Niklas Nordebo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:38:44AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: However, after playing Baldurs Gate 2 all weekend, I'm obliged to say that really if you have a priceless artifact that you don't want found, the trick is to give to a peasant,

Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread David Irvine
- Original Message - From: will [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Government Websites - Original Message - From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re:

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Paul Makepeace wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:33:11AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably? Me Andy M. probably, living on the left coast. You forgot Damian (as had I). I've

RE: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread Andy Mendelsohn
oh yes, and I am still here...just very very quiet andy -- From: Paul Makepeace Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: early peek at a bit of fun On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 05:38:02PM +0200,

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Niklas Nordebo
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:11:39PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: you know that game far to well! ;-) Probalby. While we're on the subject of computer games I recently found Civilization: Call to power on sale at HMV. Since I didn't like Civ 2 I'd been sceptical, but it was only five quid so I

Re: (Open|Net)BSD local root exploit

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Niklas Nordebo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:11:39PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: you know that game far to well! ;-) Probalby. While we're on the subject of computer games I recently found Civilization: Call to power on sale at HMV. Since I didn't like Civ 2

Technical Meeting - 21st June

2001-06-18 Thread Dave Cross
Oh... er... it's only three days to the technical meeting and so far I don't seem to have any talks for it. I'll write my Perl for the People talk tonight and give that, and I think that Robin wanted to do something. There must be others out there who want to practice talks that they'll be

Re: e-smith

2001-06-18 Thread Neil Ford
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:56:15PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and install

Re: e-smith

2001-06-18 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and install server/gateway system that manages mail, firewalling, file-sharing,

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:46:25PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: I'd also like to mention HTML::Mason - Euuu, No, no and thrice no! (ok, has some nice 'bits' but NO - thou shalt not put thy HTML and thy Perl in the same file). It is NOT POSSIBLE to completely divorce

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Richard Clamp
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:54:36PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: It is NOT POSSIBLE to completely divorce presentation/application. You're missing a word from the end of the sentence, and that's Ilogic. If you add it you're obviously wrong though... So you end up with all sorts of languages

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On 18 Jun 2001, Steve Mynott wrote: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Template Toolkit HTML::Mason Text::Template HTML::Template HTML::Embperl Also Apache::ASP I did have this crackhead idea a week or two ago about making something that 'Compiled' HTML

Re: e-smith

2001-06-18 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:29:31PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: Once I have a spare box, I'll probably give e-smith a looksie, just to see if it can teach me anything. Well, I can tell you now, from experience that the blackcat power cycler works wonders, because I remembered (too late) that ipfw's

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Roger Burton West wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? I'm willing

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:54:36PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:46:25PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: I'd also like to mention HTML::Mason - Euuu, No, no and thrice no! (ok, has some nice 'bits' but NO - thou shalt not put thy HTML and thy Perl in the same

Re: Maths Problem

2001-06-18 Thread Chris Benson
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:29:28AM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:01:05AM +0100, Chris Benson wrote: Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what is the largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without overlap? Looks like

Re: Maths Problem

2001-06-18 Thread Chris Benson
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:56:59AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:29:18AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Chris Benson wrote: Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what is the largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without Well,

Re: e-smith

2001-06-18 Thread Kirrily Robert
In lists.community.perlmongers.london, you wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:12:33PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: I see that the new edtion of Linux Format comes with a copy of e-smith on the CD. According to the blurb, e-smith is a complete, easy to use and install server/gateway system

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 08:24:13PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 07:54:36PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:46:25PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: I'd also like to mention HTML::Mason - Euuu, No, no and thrice no! (ok, has some nice 'bits'

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 11:06:40PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: if dha supplies me with a list of cpan ID's and names for NY i'll do a similar page of NY and include the % of each on both pages I'll have to go through the CPAN and see who of our group has IDs. Of course, there are all those

Re: early peek at a bit of fun

2001-06-18 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:02:01AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: From: Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who holds the distance record? dha, presumably? Last I heard, we had at least one subscriber currently living in Australia. Leon, how about a london.pm world map :) Hm... I

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: It is possible to write embedded perl templates well, but a lot more difficult than if they are separated out. How does non-embedded Perl look like, then? Is Perl the outside layer and basically does '#include navbar.html' at certain points? Or is HTML the outside

post from Elizabeth Castro's bbs

2001-06-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
# Subject : I like poo # Posted By: Sreejayanth # Date: Tuesday, 19 June 2001, at 1:45 a.m. # # I like poo Remind me again why you hang out here Dave? -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/