On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:28:16AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:
> Alex Page wrote:
> > When I was at prep school, my English teacher had lots of
> > little signs over the classroom walls saying things like
> > "It's not all right to say 'alright'", to drum little things
> > like that in.
> I h
From: "Dave Hodgkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> "Barbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of
the
> > english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky
enough
> > to go to a Grammar (when there were still such th
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:16:18 +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
> > I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and
> > similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we
> > never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my
> > adult hatred of Excel)
Greg McCarroll IS Tommy Cooper!
Stand-up comedy slots at TPC would get my vote.
P
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:29:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> I was a cheeky brat as a child,
>
> I remember having an argument once with a teacher, whose comeback
> was - well if you don't study harder w
"Barbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Quite. I'm 35 and was given a good basic education at Primary school of the
> english language, together most of it's idyosyncrasies. I was lucky enough
> to go to a Grammar (when there were still such things) so probably faired
> better than most.
Fared?
> Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was
schooled
> during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
> punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually
> taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify
performa
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:29:09PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> its amazing how hard it is to disguise the fact you just set fire to
> a roll of magnesium ribbon.
...but hardly surprising. :_)
One of the administrators of my school found me sitting out in the
hallway reading a book and ask
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:05:10PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote:
>
> ObTopic:
[snip lots of stuff about perl]
Excuse me, where was the topical stuff there?
dha
--
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Your Aunt Linda should maybe stay away from the Manischewitz. Or
s
An somewhat sceptical essay I wrote on whether psychology was a science
for my A' level psychology course came back with "You can argue that
psychology is a science, you can't argue that it isn't" written on it.
I thought that rather nicely proved my point.
Tony
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day after
> > being 'impolite to the teacher' when I refused (loudly) to accept his
> > version of the first moonlanding where Aldrin got out first.
>
> Had large arguments with English teacher
> Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day after
> being 'impolite to the teacher' when I refused (loudly) to accept his
> version of the first moonlanding where Aldrin got out first.
Had large arguments with English teacher about Shylock in Merchant of
Venice. I was extremle
Quoting Steve Mynott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I remember arguing with a teacher who told us gravity was caused by
> the Earth spinning round who refused to accept that the child she was
> teaching actually knew more about it than her.
>
Hey! I resemble that remark. I got send from school for a day
Matthew Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled
> during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper
> punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually
> taught you, as opposed
dcross - David Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> When I was at secondary school (75 - 79) ITA was used to teach reading to a
> remedial class. As (supposedly) one of the brighter pupils in my year, I got
> to spend a couple of hours a week helping out in this class, which is where
> I picked up
Alex Page wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
>
> > Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
> > mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
>
> AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes
> you t
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 12:51:31AM -0400, Alex Page wrote:
> AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes you think about your
>grammar in English. I did Latin to A-level, and remembering which form of qui to use
>in a given situation really helps you work out that whole who / wh
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
> mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
AOL. A strongly grammatical language like Latin really makes you think about your
grammar in Engl
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > > Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
> > > /usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't tr
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
> > /usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
>
> I'm afraid that's as silly as me declari
* Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
> > /usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
>
> I'm afraid that's as silly as me declar
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:11PM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
> Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
> /usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
I'm afraid that's as silly as me declaring that there's only one correct
parsing of English
> >Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy
> >decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the
> >order of the day.
>
> >I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour
> >of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?) in 1970
On 4 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I agree with you about education, but all the best punk bands
> > started off without the first idea how to play any of their
> > instruments :-)
>
> Stranglers? The Pistols?
>
> All had their fair share of mu
At 03:18 PM 4.4.2001 +0100, you wrote:
>The Ramones are *still* using the same three chords they
>were in the '70s.
You mean the Ramones got back together? Cool!
;)
(Well, they used the same three chords to the bitter end, but that's not quite what
you said. My brother has a live album that
> From: Dave Hodgkinson [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
And of course, the best English speakers are probably the Scots and
> the Welsh. Discuss!
>
I'm not so sure about the Welsh you know ;-)
Re. the Scots, me apart, it depends on which part of Scotland. Some of the
clearest and most pleasant English
"Clarke, Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> An example (although slightly irrelevant to most of you it is still
> appropriate) I come from Luton. Most people who live there say "Lu'on" (or
> something). Many people have asked me over the years where I come from and
> don't believe me when I
Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:00:08AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> >
> > I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression,
> > society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you
> > need before you can go out and break t
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:40PM +0100, Clarke, Darren wrote:
> On the other hand not using decent grammar because it wasn't taught seems a
> bit lazy. Admittedly I'm not the best at written words in emails but I
> figure most intelligent people will rise above their background as the
> situati
> > > Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
> > > and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above
> > Uhm, where?
> The perl source code *is* the documentation. There is no direct equivalent
> for the English language, as it is really whatever
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:31:41AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
> > Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
>
> > and documented. They're not in Englis
Title: RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Dave said:
>
>Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy
>decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the
>order of the day.
>I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to s
- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Oy! That's my family (lefty teachers) you're talking about! I went through
> the state comprehensive system and was never touched by these so-called
> "trendy teaching methods". And my Dad was one of these apparently "loony
Simon Cozens wrpte_
> package four; use subs qw(print); sub print{die@_}; print four things;
> # (Why doesn't that one work properly?)
Answer one: see toke.c (I guess)
Answer two: because print is special. Even without a package, you can't call
a subroutine of yours that you've named print just w
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:16:18PM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
> Anyway, back to the point. Many of my peers and friends who were taught
> exactly the same punctuation stuff as me just ignored it and used things
> like "could'nt" and "samwich's" and so on. I reckon it's less to do with it
> being
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:00:08AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>
> I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression,
> society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you
> need before you can go out and break the rules. Like having the
> musical basics before you
From: Matthew Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 04 April 2001 12:24
> > I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour
> > of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?)
>
> Nope, never heard of it. I learned to read proper english, as did everyone
> else I know who w
>
>
> Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy
> decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the
> order of the day.
Oy! That's my family (lefty teachers) you're talking about! I went through
the state comprehensive system and was never touched by thes
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:31:41AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
> Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
> and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above
^^
Uhm
> I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and
> similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we
> never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my
> adult hatred of Excel) and as far as I'm aware none of my friends of
> the same age di
Matthew Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.)
> > here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn
> > - so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something
> > about the education system and the attitude
Dean sent the following bits through the ether:
> Is it just me or do we seem to thread drift a lot recently...
Yes - I've noticed this recently ;-)
ObTopic: Yup, did Perl grammar, and French and German and seven years
of Latin and I think I'm really good at it too and don't talk to me
about Gr
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:39:55AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote:
> I don't know which education system you went through, but I was taught all
> this stuff at primary school. I think it's just because the pupils couln't
> be beggared to learn it properly (as you suggest), preferring to subscribe
> to
> True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.)
> here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn
> - so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something
> about the education system and the attitude of the pupils therein.
I don't know which educatio
> From: dcross - David Cross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
>> and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)
True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) here as well? .
These are trivially simple rules to
From: Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:46
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
>
> > Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)
>
> In english?
8pm
Dave...
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The information contained in this communication is
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On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:32:22AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> Dave...
> [who makes lots of typos - but _knows_ they are typos]
There's nothing wrong with typos. It's obvious that they are tyops from
the error. It just means that the person was thinking faster than
typing and forgot th
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)
In english?
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm => 'Profero Ltd',Web =>
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
> > grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
>
> Me too, (
On 4 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > ObPerl: So which is harder to parse? Perl or English?
>
> Time flies like an arrow
> Fruit flies like a banana
>
> Parse that and stay fashionable...
>
They're both Type 0, though one *could* argue th
From: Paul Makepeace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:17
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> > Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
> > grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
>
> Me to
* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> From: Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32
>
> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > > Tell all your friends. No heckling.
> >
> > Does that mean we can heckle but they can't?
Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ObPerl: So which is harder to parse? Perl or English?
Time flies like an arrow
Fruit flies like a banana
Parse that and stay fashionable...
--
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway St
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
> grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if trut
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:37:07AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> From: Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32
>
> > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > > Tell all your friends. No heckling.
> >
> > Does that mean we can heckl
From: Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> > Tell all your friends. No heckling.
>
> Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-)
That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling."
Doesn'
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
> Tell all your friends. No heckling.
Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-)
-Dom
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