Re: GMail App on iPhone

[Jürgen Fleger]

Thanks Jason. I'm aware of it. But i'd like to use a different eMail client for my professional life. So do you know any accessible e-Mail client for iPhone other than the Apple Mail app or GMail?Von meinem iPhone gesendetAm 23.03.2024 um 16:22 schrieb 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries :

  

  
  


On 22/3/24 01:42, Jürgen Fleger wrote:


  I don't like the conversations view in this App on my iPhone. But it 
seems it doesn't work to disable it in the settings. Whether it is 
enabled or disabled it always looks the same. 


Note that you can configure Apple Mail to access Google's Gmail
accounts. I note this here in case you aren't already aware.
  




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GMail App on iPhone

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

I don't like the conversations view in this App on my iPhone. But it seems it 
doesn't work to disable it in the settings. Whether it is enabled or disabled 
it always looks the same. 

Is this a known bug in GMail on iPhone?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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Re: Any vloggers here?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Donna,

sorry for the delayed response. 

MarsEdit works really great for blind users. I know you can add images to your 
posts. While preparing a new post there’s a lable saying "Featured Image“. 
There you can load a video to your post. 

I unfortunately don’t know how you can link this video in the post. I’ve never 
dealt with videos. So Marsedit might not fulfill your needs. I might have been 
wrong here. Sorry.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 16.03.2024 um 02:29 schrieb 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> I just looked through the options and if there is anything there for video 
> I’m not seeing it. That doesn’t mean it is not there. But I am a novice with 
> the app and do not see anything there but perhaps uploading it under media. 
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 6:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Merv,
>> 
>> If you could check I’d appreciate it.   I downloaded the free trial, but I 
>> don’t want to open it until I’m ready to start messing with it. :). But, 
>> that isn’t your problem, so if it becomes too time-consuming, don’t worry 
>> about it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:47 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know you can add graphics. I honestly would have to look but it is a 
>>> pretty powerful program. I will have to take a look this weekend. There are 
>>> a ton of features I haven’t begun to explore.
>>> Merv
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:38 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, that’s very cool!  The block thing in Wordpress kinda hurts my head. 
>>>> Lol. Can you also add video, or does it only work with written content?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 3:35 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mars edit makes it possible to avoid using blocks. You can just type as 
>>>>> if you were editing a word document and then publish right to your blog. 
>>>>> I have not tried pcreating or publishing pages yet but for blogs it is 
>>>>> great. I understand that it also will work with Mastodon now. But I have 
>>>>> not figured that out yet either.
>>>>> Merv
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 4:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Merv,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you say more?  What specifically do you love?  Also, how do you work 
>>>>>> with the block design in WordPress?  It seems like it would be very 
>>>>>> intuitive if you can see and figure out how to arrange the blocks, but 
>>>>>> I’m not sure how to work with that if you can’t visually arrange them.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:24 PM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I love Mars Edit on my Mac. If there are any tutorials out there I 
>>>>>>> would love to know. I get the feeling I am not nearly using it to its 
>>>>>>> potential. It was recommended to me about three months ago and I am 
>>>>>>> still teaching myself how to use both WordPress and Mars Edit.
>>>>>>> Merv
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 1:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Jurgen,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can you say more about Mars?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I thought about using something like What’s App or even Facebook, but 
>>>>>>>> I like the vlog idea better.  First, everything can just be housed 
>>>>>>>> there.  That will be convenient for anyone who wants to look at it, 
>>>>>>>> but not necessarily receive alerts all the time.  It also keeps the 
>>>>>>>> whole thing in one easy place, so that it can serve as sort of a 
>>>>>>>> “photo album for us after we’re back, without getting buried in 
>>>>>>>> whatever messages, p

Re: Any vloggers here?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Donna, 

Word Press is pretty accessible in my opinion. I use Mars as an app solution on 
the Mac to upload content. So it's not necessary to work online. 

But wouldn't it be easier in your case to use a messenger like Whats App and 
create a family group? Just as an idea. 

all the best 
Jurgen 


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> Am 15.03.2024 um 17:05 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi again, all,
> 
> I want to create a vlog where I can post written and video content while I am 
> traveling this summer.  Anyone know anything about the most accessible way to 
> do this?  I know a lot of people like Wordpress, but in my very limited 
> experience, it did not seem overly accessible, or overly friendly if you 
> don’t know how to code.  If I’m wrong about this, feel free to enlighten me. 
> 
> Can anyone compare Wordpress with Blogger in terms of how they work with VO 
> on both MacOS and IOS?  I’m envisioning something pretty simple and 
> straight-forward.  I’d just like to be able to upload written and video 
> content to a site, and have a link that I can share with family and friends 
> who want to follow along with our adventures, so hopefully there’s away to do 
> that that isn’t super complicated and that is accessible.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display

[Jürgen Fleger]

Yes Donna, really a great review. Thanks a lot and
all the best
Jürgen


> Am 05.01.2024 um 07:13 schrieb M. Taylor :
> 
> Hello Donna,
> 
> This is an absolutely fabulous review.
> 
> Thank you ever so much for posting.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2024 7:15 PM
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> Subject: My review after spending two weeks with the Activator braille display
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have just spent the last two weeks demoing the Activator braille display, 
> and I thought I’d send my review in case anyone is interested.
> 
> There is a lot to love about this display.  Unfortunately, there were also 
> some things not to love.
> 
> The form factor is amazingly streamline, especially given all that it 
> contains.  It is slightly bigger than the braille displays most of us are 
> used to, but in large part, that is because the back portion contains the 
> folding qwerty keyboard.  On the right side is the magnetic strip, used for 
> connecting the smart dock.  On the left, farthest from you, is the USB port 
> for connecting it to a computer.  In front of that, closer to you, is the 
> on/off switch.  A long press of this button turns the unit on and off, while 
> a short press cycles it between menu, Smartdock, and USB modes.  On either 
> end of the top of the device are three buttons.  The top and bottom buttons 
> are up/down buttons, while the right middle button is Enter, and the left 
> middle button is back.  These buttons are all small, so the middle 
> buttons—Enter and Back—are identified with a raised line.  Starting in the 
> front of the unit, are the concave braille cells, as you would expect.  
> Behind those is the Perkins keyboard.  The one unique thing about this is 
> that there are actually three space bars, two below the braille keys, and one 
> in between the two groups of four.  And behind that is the qwerty keyboard.  
> All you have to do to use the qwerty keyboard is fold it back.  One of many 
> nice touches HelpTech added is that on the back of the qwerty keyboard there 
> are little feet on each side, with a small rubber strip on the bottom that 
> you can pull out to help keep the device stable,  They recommend that you not 
> use the qwerty keyboard in your lap, but I did with no problems.  You just 
> have to put the feet down, and position your legs so that they support the 
> device.  A lap desk would accomplish the same thing.  The qwerty keyboard was 
> comfortable to use, but you do have to stretch to reach it, sort of like you 
> do on the Mac, except it’s a slightly bigger stretch.  The newer units are 
> going to be shipping with a quieter keyboard, so at this time I can’t say 
> anything about what it is like to type on, as that will not be the same for 
> anyone who purchases a device moving forward.
> 
> The concave braille cells, in conjunction with the ATC (Active Tactile 
> Control) make reading very comfortable.  In my experience the ATC technology 
> works quite well, though it worked best when I read with one hand rather than 
> two.
> 
> It also worked very well as a display when paired with my Mac and my PC.  I 
> tested with JAWS on my PC, and on the Mac with Voiceover.  There is no need 
> to install drivers in either use case, you simply plug it in and it is 
> detected.  You can, of course, also pair it via bluetooth, with PC, Mac, or 
> phone.  It also works as external storage on the Mac, which was a great 
> bonus.  (The one problem connecting it to the Mac as external storage is that 
> the Mac will dump a bunch of junk files on the Activator.  That results in a 
> No Disk Room error, so you have to delete the junk files and reboot the unit 
> in order to use it after transferring files.  Kind of a pain, but you can 
> transfer files that way, if you don’t mind the cleanup.)  It did not work for 
> me as external storage on Windows, more on that later.
> 
> Now for the best part, the interface with the iPhone.  It is AMAZING!  You 
> slide the phone into the dock, connect the dock via the magnetic strip, and 
> it’s like you have one device that is essentially an iPhone with braille and 
> the keyboard of your choice.  You can access all your apps and files, and you 
> can move files back and forth from the Phone to the Activator.  There’s also 
> a shortcut on the Activator that you can use to access the apps you use most 
> often.  It really is very slick.  The only drawback, and this won’t be a 
> problem for everyone, is that in this configuration, it isn’t very portable.  
> The magnetic strip can’t support the dock and phone all by itself, so you 
> have to have it on a table or in your lap.  You could pick the whole thing up 
> and move it, you’d just need to make sure to support the dock while you did.
> 
> For those of you in the US, the Helptech dealer here is Dream Vision, and 
> they are *fabulous to work with.  The owner, Damian Pickering was 

Re: Separating system volume and voice volume on Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

The best sorce is on your Mac. Press VO h h and find all commands VO provides.


> Am 16.12.2023 um 23:40 schrieb Phil Halton :
> 
> Thanks Jurgen, I forgot about these Vio command left and right arrow key 
> commands. I haven’t used the Mac in a while, mostly I stick with iOS but I 
> just got a new MacBook Pro. Where do you find out more about these commands 
> to read about them. is there a voiceover manual that I can access? 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 2:35 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Press VO + CMD + Shift + right or left Arrow until you'll reach Volume. 
>> Then press up or down Arrow while you're still holding the keys in your left 
>> hand.
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 16.12.2023 um 17:26 schrieb Phil Halton :
>>> 
>>> Is there anyway to differentiate between system media volume and voiceover 
>>> volume on the Mac like there is an iOS? I’m trying to record some YouTube 
>>> video but in order to get the volume up high enough I have to blast my ears 
>>> out with voiceover.
>>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: YouTube audio downloading app

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No, works just on the Mac.

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> Am 16.12.2023 um 23:01 schrieb Mohammad Fazil :
> 
> Would the same version Downey work for both, Mac and iPhone?
> Thanks!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 11:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: YouTube audio downloading app
> 
> Hi,
> not free but very accessible: Downey 4 on the Mac and Tubecast for iPhone.
> 
> 
>> Am 16.12.2023 um 19:58 schrieb Phil Halton :
>> 
>> I’ve got some YouTube videos from an online seminar that I need to grab the 
>> audio from. Haven’t done this in a long time and don’t know what’s out there 
>> for software. Is there a good easy and free YouTube audio grabber for either 
>> Mac or iOS that you can recommend?
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Separating system volume and voice volume on Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Press VO + CMD + Shift + right or left Arrow until you'll reach Volume. Then 
press up or down Arrow while you're still holding the keys in your left hand.


> Am 16.12.2023 um 17:26 schrieb Phil Halton :
> 
> Is there anyway to differentiate between system media volume and voiceover 
> volume on the Mac like there is an iOS? I’m trying to record some YouTube 
> video but in order to get the volume up high enough I have to blast my ears 
> out with voiceover.
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: YouTube audio downloading app

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Hi,
not free but very accessible: Downey 4 on the Mac and Tubecast for iPhone.


> Am 16.12.2023 um 19:58 schrieb Phil Halton :
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> I’ve got some YouTube videos from an online seminar that I need to grab the 
> audio from. Haven’t done this in a long time and don’t know what’s out there 
> for software. Is there a good easy and free YouTube audio grabber for either 
> Mac or iOS that you can recommend?
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Re: Accessible robot vacuum cleaners.

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I use Roborock and it works fine. Of course I’m not able to create a map on my 
own but I guess that’s pretty normal.
All the best
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> Am 24.11.2023 um 18:53 schrieb joseph hudson :
> 
> I second Dave's recommendation. It is very accessible. There is nothing that 
> you can't do with that model. Some models of that vacuum now clean better 
> than others. So please look at reviews and talk to sales clerks about what 
> the best recommendation is before you purchase.
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>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Steve Z.  wrote:
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>> I would like to know which robot vacuum cleaner is accessible with 
>> voiceover, since they all use apps, and how much accessible. for example, 
>> what we can, and cannot do.
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Re: Fantastical

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 Hi Michael,

thanks for the confirmation. 

I sent a bug report with a screen video to Flexibits.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 13.10.2023 um 01:13 schrieb Michael Babcock :
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> Hi!
> 
> I’ve also had this issue Jürgen.
> 
> My friend Damashe suggested that I use the mini calendar, 
> control+option+space and then choose from the event list.
> 
> Thanks for your email.
> 
> best
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>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> is anyone using Fantastical? I wonder whether it’s possible to open an event 
>> from the grid in month view. I’m only able to open an event from the events 
>> list in the Sidebar.
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Fantastical

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Hi,

is anyone using Fantastical? I wonder whether it’s possible to open an event 
from the grid in month view. I’m only able to open an event from the events 
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Re: Mac OS Sonoma: Calendar View Changed

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Hi,
this seems to be a new bug introduced in Sonoma. Let’s hope Apple won’t let us 
wait for a whole aeyr to solve it.

I additionally experience VO jumps randomly out of a day with which I was 
interacted.

Has anyone an idea for a good and accessible calendar app to replace the nativ 
calendar app?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen


> Am 03.10.2023 um 16:53 schrieb Dave Carlson :
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> It seems to me that I can no longer navigate week-by-week in the month view 
> of the native calendar app.
> 
> I like to use VO table navigation keystrokes to move up/down through the 
> calendar, just like it is a grid or table. That allowed me to jump to the 
> next or previous day in another  week.
> 
> Now I cannot get that grid to come back. All my navigation is strictly 
> vertical,, and if I want to jump to the next week, I need to arrow down 
> through all the days of the current week.
> This behavior seems to be permanent in Sonoma OS, when in Ventura it was 
> sporadic.
> Any tips for me?
> 
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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

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Ihr understand your frustration. Sometimes Ihr experience the same frustration. But all in all I'm quite happy with my Macs. Don't forget you are using aber beta version. I'd rather have seen Apple kept the policy of keeping beta experiences sicret. It often makes people insecure and frustrated. Von meinem iPhone gesendetAm 08.09.2023 um 03:07 schrieb Jonathan Cohn :What are you talking about, VoiceOver for Mac with the Mail application has always respected using the goto header functions.
		Best wishes,Jonathan Cohn

On Sep 7, 2023, at 3:18 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  wrote:I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail.AndrewOn 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown  wrote:I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. Iuse both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. Ilike my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some thingscan just be slower on a mac  when it comes to page navagation and acouple other things, I just would rather not deal with it.On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed  wrote:Hi,I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain inperformance is tremendous and you will notice it.For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make theexact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorterduration.For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to VO.You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead.Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance toget to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great.The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and iOS.I hope they fix it soon.Hope that helps,Mohamed E. FayedOn 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful comparedto Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriouslyconsider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop.I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safariis Busy” message that cripples my productivity.So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Macdoes not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip acoin on the decision.Dave CarlsonWoodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfardgcarlson0...@gmail.comOn Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this listabout the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lotof you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking aboutupdating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder,should I get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed tospend $900 on a MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.What are your guises thoughts?Thank you,From Traci's MBA20.--The following information is important for all members of the MacVisionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, orif you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact theowners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor.  You can reach markat:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups"MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send anemail to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visithttps://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/1B0EC27E-B19C-4661-B8FC-8B1DB2953F0D%40gmail.com.--The following information is important for all members of the MacVisionaries list.If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, orif you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact theowners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.comThe archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/---You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups"MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from 

Re: My Favorite KINDLE APP FEATURE AND A BOOK RECOMMENDATION

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Hi Mark,thanks for the recommendation. I liked Steven King very much but became fad up by his horror stories. I‘ll give this book a try.Could you explain more about live narration? Do you mean whisper sync between the audiobook and the kindle version? Or do you let Alexa read the kindle book?Thanks and all the bestJürgenVon meinem iPad Pro gesendetAm 14.08.2023 um 07:14 schrieb M. Taylor :Hello All,I think I’ve mentioned this in a previous post but one aspect of Kindle books that I have been using more and more, is the feature to seamlessly switch between the live narration of a title and the text of that same title, directly from within the Kindle app.If you have not yet explored this feature of the Kindle app, give it a try.  I think you will be pleased.I recently started reading one of Stephen King’s latest novels called Fairy Tale.  This is not a horror story.  If anything, it is a fairy tale for adults.  I strongly recommend that you give this book a try because never in my adult life have I ever come across a mainstream story in which people with real-life disabilities are portrayed in such heroic and equal measure as their non-disabled counterparts.  I am about 50% through the story.  Up to this point, other than some slight profanity, there are no descriptions of sex or any quote, adult, quote, content.There is a long history as to why Stephen King possesses the ability to write about people with disabilities in such exciting and yet realistic pros but I’ll let you discover the answer to that, on your own, if you so choose.It is so very refreshing to become immersed in a story where people with disabilities are treated as equals and not as people who have super human powers who can, for example, in the case of a blind person, distinguish someone across a room by the rhythm of his heartbeat and respiration rate.  I’ve actually had highly educated professionals, ask me if such a thing is true based on something they read about on the net or saw in some movie.Regardless of whatever book you choose, happy reading.Mark



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Re: Siri dictation on iPhone

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Hi,
look in Settings General Keyboard. In english it might be called smart 
punctuation or so.


> Am 28.06.2023 um 17:07 schrieb Phil Halton :
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> With some recent release, Siri has become, comma happy. When I dictate things 
> to her, she automatically inserts commas and probably other punctuation. I’m 
> not aware of into my text. There’s got to be a setting to turn this off 
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Re: Stage Manager in Ventura 13.0.1

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Actually that was necessary in 13.0 as well.
You find this setting in System Settings. Scrol down from where you enable 
Stage Manager. There you are. 
All the best 
Jürgen
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Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 11.11.2022 um 19:44 schrieb Paul Hopewell :
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> Hello,
> 
> After upgrading from 13.0 to 13.0.1 Stage Manager no longer works for me.
> I see a note to the effect that Stage Manager needs “Displays have separate 
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> Note that I want to set up Stage Manager as that would make things simpler 
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Stage Manager

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

Stage Manager is one of the new features in Ventura. I tried it out but 
couldn’t figure out if it was useful to VO users. So far I got it activated but 
not to work. At least not using VO.

So, has anyone tried Stage Manager in conjunction with VoiceOver? Is it of any 
use for us?

Thanks and all the best
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Re: Text Edit on after Mac sleeps

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I do experience this bug as well. Turning VO on and of often works as CMD Tab 
does. But it doesn't work always. The last option I foundt is to duplicate the 
document to be able to navigate in te document. To me this is a very annoying 
bug because I use Textedit a lot.
All the best
Jürgen



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> Am 14.10.2022 um 05:53 schrieb Gabe Griffith :
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> This happens to me also. I find that if I command tab away from the text edit 
> window then back it will work again. 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> The easiest  option would be to either extend the wake time of your mac or  
>> disable the sleep function. I have heard of this happening to others as well.
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Hey all, I am finding when I use TextEdit and I step away for a minute, my 
>>> Mac may go to the LockScreen. When I come back and unlock it, VoiceOver 
>>> will not read inside the text and a document. I need to turn VoiceOver off 
>>> and on again. Does anyone know why this is happening? Anything I can do 
>>> about it?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Tracy
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Re: YouTube audio grabber

[Jürgen Fleger]

On the Mac I use the paid app Downey.
https://software.charliemonroe.net/downie/


> Am 04.07.2022 um 13:18 schrieb Eric Oyen :
> 
> Actually, if you can install wget, you can acquire the video file and then 
> use ffmpeg on it to break out the audio only. I have done this downloading 
> audiobooks from YouTube. Works like a charm.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> I just took out a YouTube premium free trial for purposes of downloading 
>> YouTube video material. Unfortunately, I found that it only makes it 
>> available off-line through the YouTube app and you can’t actually manipulate 
>> the file in anyway. All I’m really looking for is to get the audio of 
>> certain videos. There used to be audio grabbers for YouTube are there still? 
>> Is there a good one I can use and I primarily use iOS, but I can use the Mac 
>> as well. Any help appreciated 
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Mac Mail app problem "This mail has no content"" Help please

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What about forwarding it to your self? 


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> Am 23.06.2022 um 19:57 schrieb 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Tim, no luck with that as they are still not showing any content after 
> several days of having the Mail app running. Ron.
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jun 2022, at 18:30, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Waiting should usually help.  Don’t wait while the message is open, just 
>> while it is sitting in the list of messages.  More complicated message 
>> content seems to take a bit to get all organized.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 15:18, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes my experience too. sometimes I have to wait for 5 min. or more and 
>>> sometimes it never loads.
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:25 PM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Tim, thanks for the reply, but time doesn’t make any difference, Ron.
 
 
> On 22 Jun 2022, at 18:00, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Just give it some time to load and that will go away. 
> 
> Later... 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 8:29 AM, 'Ron S' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi there, I am getting the above message in mail from time to time. It 
>> is mostly from one email sender but not exclusively. When I try to enter 
>> the mail area I get “text”, but nothing else. I have been told by a 
>> sighted person that there is a link saying something like “click to 
>> download content” and if clicked it does download the message. However 
>> voiceover does not see any link to click. 
>> I have been through various settings and remote content blocking isn’t 
>> selected. I am using AOL mail and this is intermittent. If I use my 
>> Iphone then the message is there to read.
>> I thought this had been mentioned before but I cannot find it in the 
>> archives.
>> Any advice would be appreciated, Ron.
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Re: Working around MS Word

[Jürgen Fleger]

""Hi,
OK, I'll give Word another chance. Some months ago it was awful. 
Pages workes quite great. I'd love to see VO reading more attributes after 
pressing VO t but all in all I like it very much.
Jürgen


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> Am 23.06.2022 um 14:32 schrieb 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> 
> Also, I’ve read positive reports about the accessibility of Pages from those 
> who’ve used it much more than I have. I’ve only run it a few times for 
> testing.
>  
> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> Date: Wednesday, 22June, 2022 at 18:53
> To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Working around MS Word
> 
> Recent versions have improved somewhat in their accessibility.
> Make sure you’re using the latest Office 365, monthly channel, for the best 
> that Microsoft Word for Mac currently offers to the VoiceOver user. Old 
> versions are definitely problematic.
> 
> 
> On 22 Jun, 2022, at 16:57, John Panarese  wrote:
>  
>   I agree, Tim. It works well. I have been made to work with sophisticated 
> documents and it is surprisingly accessible.
>  
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 4:03 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
>  
> Works fine for me. 
>  
>  Later... 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:00 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but 
> in the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work 
> very well.
> In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver. 
> Jürgen
> 
> Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It 
> is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
> back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
> import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
>  
> Later…
>  
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
> 
> Here’s another question for the group:
>  
> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that 
> I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
> comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give 
> up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the 
> exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
> receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and 
> comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe 
> Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, 
> though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I know about 
> MS Word for MacOS...
>  
> Thanks and high fives all around,
> Andrew
> 
> On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>  
> Hi Andrew,
>  
> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
> list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a 
> look on applevis.com. Very rich.
>  
> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
> Finder.
>  
> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this 
> point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.
>  
> All the best
> Jürgen
>  
> 
> 
> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :
>  
> Hey all,
>  
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
>  
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
>  
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deletin

Re: Working around MS Word

[Jürgen Fleger]

Sorry Tim, Word for Mac works terrible. Reading a simple text might work but in 
the moment a document is more suffisticated or very long Word doesn’t work very 
well.
In my opinion Outlook is the only app which works quite well using VoiceOver. 
Jürgen
> Am 22.06.2022 um 21:51 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think that you might be running on old information about Microsoft Word. It 
> is very accessible on the Mac now. But, if you do want to move docs 
> back-and-forth between word, and an app, Pages is very accessible, and can 
> import and export to Microsoft Word easily.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Andrew Leland  wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s another question for the group:
>> 
>> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that 
>> I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
>> comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give 
>> up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the 
>> exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
>> receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and 
>> comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe 
>> Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to 
>> Windows, though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I 
>> know about MS Word for MacOS...
>> 
>> Thanks and high fives all around,
>> Andrew
>>> On Jun 22, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Jürgen Fleger >> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in 
>>> this list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also 
>>> have a look on applevis.com <http://applevis.com/>. Very rich.
>>> 
>>> Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the 
>>> Finder.
>>> 
>>> Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to 
>>> VoiceOver. Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this 
>>> point I’m very disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> Jürgen
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland >>> <mailto:alel...@gmail.com>>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a 
>>>> blind Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've 
>>>> never dream of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word 
>>>> in my work and I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops 
>>>> working compared to Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. 
>>>> (also finding some of the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more 
>>>> reliable and intuitive than VoiceOver for MacOS).
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is 
>>>> as follows: 
>>>> 
>>>> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, 
>>>> deleting, then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can 
>>>> "cut" a file and then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of 
>>>> having to then go back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried 
>>>> reading the apple documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver 
>>>> but I haven't had the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, 
>>>> paste file, delete file in the finder?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks, and thanks for including me in this group!
>>>> Andrew Leland
>>>> alel...@gmail.com <mailto:alel...@gmail.com>
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Re: word processing beyond MS Word

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Andrew,

to be honnest: Using Pages and exporting to Word works but I’d never rely on it 
fully. I’d use Pages and asked a sighted assistant afterwards. You could ask 
your own assistant or you could use a service like Aira for iPhone to check 
whether the layout looks well. But all in all exporting from Pages works fine. 
It depends how suffisticated the layout might be.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:49 schrieb Andrew Leland :
> 
> Here’s another question for the group:
> 
> One of the main reasons I’m considering abandoning MacOS for Windows is that 
> I have to send and receive MS Word docs, often with track changes and 
> comments. I primarily work in Scrivener and export to Word, but I can’t give 
> up word entirely because I need to be able to check the formatting of the 
> exported docx, and process tracked changes and comments on files I’m 
> receiving. Does anyone know of a way to bring a .docx with track changes and 
> comments into a more accessible program than Word on the Mac? Like maybe 
> Apple Pages? Trying to think of a way that I don’t have to switch to Windows, 
> though I’m sort of resigned to that fate considering everything I know about 
> MS Word for MacOS...
> 
> Thanks and high fives all around,
> Andrew
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Re: basic finder question

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Hi Andrew,

I’m sorry to hear you are getting blind. Ask as much as you want here in this 
list. A lot of great experts share their knowledge. You could also have a look 
on applevis.com . Very rich.

Press CMD + Option + v instead of just CMD + v to move an element in the Finder.

Scrivener for Mac is also a great tool which is quite accessible to VoiceOver. 
Unfortunately Word isn’t as accessible as it could be. In this point I’m very 
disappointed from Microsoft. They could really do better.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 22.06.2022 um 20:07 schrieb Andrew Leland :
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> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a lifelong sighted Mac user currently in the process of becoming a blind 
> Mac user. I've also decided to learn JAWS (even though I would've never dream 
> of switching to Windows otherwise) since I can't avoid MS Word in my work and 
> I've been gobsmacked by how frequently Word for Mac stops working compared to 
> Scrivener, which is my main workhorse word processor. (also finding some of 
> the JAWS navigation, especially on the web, more reliable and intuitive than 
> VoiceOver for MacOS).
> 
> Anyway none of this has anything to do with my question for you, which is as 
> follows: 
> 
> is there any way to move items in the finder without just copying, deleting, 
> then pasting in the new location? I know in Windows you can "cut" a file and 
> then "paste" it elsewhere, removing this middle step of having to then go 
> back and delete the file... I have half-heartedly tried reading the apple 
> documentation about dragging and dropping with VoiceOver but I haven't had 
> the courage to try. is it more efficient than copy file, paste file, delete 
> file in the finder?
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Re: Copying and pasting a link from an email message on my iPhone

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Hi Donna,
have you tried a one finger tripple tap on the link yet? I haven’t recently 
because I’m sitting on my Mac. But give it a try.
All the best
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> Hi all,
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> I need to copy a link from an email message, and pasted into a text message. 
> I’m not seeing any options to do that either by using the rotor or going in 
> to the edit or actions menu. How does one select and copy a link from a male 
> message on the iPhone?
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Re: Macbook Pro 14" 2021

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Hi,
yes, I've got one. 16 GB of Ram, 2 TB SSD, M1 Pro. And I simply love it. It's 
the most  gorgeous MacBook Ive ever owned. I didn't like my Macbook 13 with 
Touch Bar and the 16 inch Model like this MacBook 14 inch. It's fast. The Mac 
Safe is a bit to strong. I Unintentionally pulled it but it stayed in the 
Macbook and slipped out of the power supply. Funny but true.
All the best 
Jürgen

 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 09.06.2022 um 20:40 schrieb Tibor Niesner :
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> Hello all,
> 
> has anyone Macbook Pro 14“ 2021? 
> How do you like it? 
> What a configuration do you have?
> How is it a MagSafe connector?
> How is it a keyboard? Was there any problems with this?
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> Thank you.
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Re: Voice over

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Hi Walter,
simpley press the side button ones more and VoiceOver will be silent.
Or do you mean after unlocking the device and not in the Locscreen? You might 
have the clock widget in the first position on your Home screen. Just remove 
this or place the VO focus somewhere else on the screen.
VoiceOver anounces if something changes in the VO Focus. That’s why it reads 
every minute the time because every minute something changes in the focus.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 30.05.2022 um 17:41 schrieb walter harper :
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> Hello All,
> When I press the side button on my IPad Pro voiceover will not stop reading 
> the time. It reads it every minute can someone please help? 
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Re: Safari incredibly sluggish

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@Lorie: Press CMD + Option + e

@Phil: Seems to work. Haven’t heard the busy message again. Thanks a lot.

Jürgen


> Am 27.05.2022 um 07:30 schrieb Lorie McCloud :
> 
> it might. I'm using a Mac mini but it's from 2014. can you tell me how to 
> clear my caches?
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 5:50 PM, Phil Halton > <mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> That’s odd, I’m running Catalina on a 2013 MacBook Air and I have absolutely 
>> no problems with Safari. I wonder if clearing out your caches might help? I 
>> know I’ve done it a few times.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
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>> 
>>> On May 26, 2022, at 6:41 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> I find that Firefox is a bit slow to s on startup and quitting but is 
>>> fairly responsive when just navigating. 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 26, 2022, at 14:20, Jürgen Fleger >>> <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I know this has been a topic for a while: I use Safari on a Mac from 2014. 
>>>> Everythings still fine except for Safari which is constantly busy. It 
>>>> takes Safari ages to calm down and to let me browse the web. A lot of you 
>>>> might share this experience.
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder which browser might be recommendable instead of Safari. Which one 
>>>> would you reccomend to avoid the busy message?
>>>> 
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Re: Safari incredibly sluggish

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I tried Chrome and it seems to work quite well. A bit different than Safari but 
I guess I can get used to it. Thanks.


> Am 26.05.2022 um 21:31 schrieb Herbie Allen :
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> I’d consider a new Mac. I have an Intel from 2019 and while I do get Busy or 
> not responding some times, it’s not as bad like on older Macs. In the mean 
> time, try Chrome.
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 13:20, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I know this has been a topic for a while: I use Safari on a Mac from 2014. 
>> Everythings still fine except for Safari which is constantly busy. It takes 
>> Safari ages to calm down and to let me browse the web. A lot of you might 
>> share this experience.
>> 
>> I wonder which browser might be recommendable instead of Safari. Which one 
>> would you reccomend to avoid the busy message?
>> 
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Re: Safari incredibly sluggish

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That’s because I’m using Mac OS Catalina. The behavior is the same but a 
different message.
That’s really a pitty. The iMac works really well except for Safari.

> Am 26.05.2022 um 20:46 schrieb Lorie McCloud :
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> I have the same issue with my 2014 Mac. I've even considered going back to an 
> earlier osx. mine doesn't say: "busy." it says: "Safari not responding." mail 
> is behaving the same way.
> 
>> On May 26, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I know this has been a topic for a while: I use Safari on a Mac from 2014. 
>> Everythings still fine except for Safari which is constantly busy. It takes 
>> Safari ages to calm down and to let me browse the web. A lot of you might 
>> share this experience.
>> 
>> I wonder which browser might be recommendable instead of Safari. Which one 
>> would you reccomend to avoid the busy message?
>> 
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Safari incredibly sluggish

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Hi,

I know this has been a topic for a while: I use Safari on a Mac from 2014. 
Everythings still fine except for Safari which is constantly busy. It takes 
Safari ages to calm down and to let me browse the web. A lot of you might share 
this experience.

I wonder which browser might be recommendable instead of Safari. Which one 
would you reccomend to avoid the busy message?

Thanks and all the best
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Re: I am baffled with the accessibility team.

[Jürgen Fleger]

I always send screen videos to the accessibility team and get back kind of 
personalized very interested e-Mails. But sometimes my guess is it’s a sighted 
person at the other end without much VoiceOver experiences. But anyway since I 
send screen videos my bug reports are much more effective than before.



> Am 20.05.2022 um 16:09 schrieb Karen Lewellen :
> 
> speaking personally?
> My guess  would be several people managing several things at the same time.
> I might add that my personal experiences with apple accessibility have been 
> uniformly off the charts amazing...and I am far far far from an apple product 
> user.
> My personal suggestion is this.
> If you can, after sending an email, follow up with a phone call, especially 
> if you get a support ticket number.
> inform the accessibility agent that you know others have reported the same 
> issue, seasoning just how important the problem is for people.
> Does that resonate?
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 20 May 2022, Anders Holmberg wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> I actually sent a mail to the accessibility team about the unlabeled buttons 
>> in messages ap when answering a message.
>> They replied to me and when they did it looked like this was something new 
>> to them.
>> They wanted to investigate this issue.
>> But I know that at least Donna has sent mails to them.
>> So i am not sure if they get all mail we send to them or if they get so much 
>> mail that some just gets deleted or something like that.
>> Hmm. Strange.
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Re: A zoom annoyance with voiceover

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Hi,

it depends of which device you are speaking.
On a Mac you can disable theese  messages in the Zoom settings. On an iPhone 
you could tap three fingers three times to disable the voice of VoiceOver.

I often use Zoom on my Mac. And I need VoiceOver to be switched on to take 
notes along the meeting. VoiceOver very often anounces „Zoom has new window“. 
Is anyone aware of a way to avoid this message on a Mac and keep VoiceOver on?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen




> Am 19.05.2022 um 17:41 schrieb Patrick Ford :
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> Hi, you can turn on 'do not disturb' or you can shut off voice over if you 
> don't need it while listening and/or speaking -
> Come and See
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>> On May 19, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
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>> Hi folks, I’m wondering if the announcements of chat messages can be 
>> suppressed while in a meeting. If not do our zoom users have alternative 
>> methods to deal with this so as to not be distracted during presentations?
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VPN

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
VPN by Apple on my iPhone disconnects after pressing the Sidebutton. That seems 
to be the case because the WiFi connection will be disconnected then as well 
except for some moments when the iPhone reconnects from time to time to look 
for new e-Mails or updates or so. VPN doesn’t reconnct after waking up the 
iPhone.
But I actually want VPN to stay connected. It’s the connection to my office 
when I’m away from it. 
Is anyone aware if other VPN apps like VPN Express keep this connection or does 
it cut the connection as well?
All the best
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Re: Teams

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Thanks for your respondses. Sad but probably the trueth. 

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 29.04.2022 um 16:44 schrieb Kaare Dehard :
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> I have tried teams on both Mac and PC and although better with JAWS I really 
> think the user experience could be better. It seems counter intuitive.
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 10:35 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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>> I’ve never had any luck with it either.  I had to do a lot of playing around 
>> with it to figure out how to do simple things like respond to chats, and 
>> after I’d finally managed to navigate to the window where the messages were 
>> displayed, then get back to where I was supposed to be able to respond, I 
>> couldn’t remember what I’d done, so I gave up on it quickly.
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> would you agree Microsoft Teams is more than terrible to use on a Mac using 
>>> VoiceOver? Or am I doing something fundamentally wrong?
>>> 
>>> I tried the shortcuts which are possible for the use with VoiceOver but 
>>> most of them didn’t work reliably.
>>> 
>>> What are your expeeriences regarding Teams on the Mac?
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Teams

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Folks,

would you agree Microsoft Teams is more than terrible to use on a Mac using 
VoiceOver? Or am I doing something fundamentally wrong?

I tried the shortcuts which are possible for the use with VoiceOver but most of 
them didn’t work reliably.

What are your expeeriences regarding Teams on the Mac?

All the best
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Re: Good VPN option?

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Hi,
I have no experiences using VPN. But would you recommend to pay for such a 
service? Is there even free stuff out there? It might be more secure when 
paying for a service what do you think?
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 18.04.2022 um 16:16 schrieb Lucas Gil Nadolskis :
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> Hello
> The best one is expressvpn 
> It is really good and quite accessible 
> Also, their staff is great.
> 
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>> The network at the hotel where I am staying has insecure internet, and, 
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>> this list, so thought I would start here.  Can anyone recommend a good, 
>> accessible, hopefully not too expensive VPN option?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: issue navigating a document in Word on Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
very funny. In a german mailinglist we discuss the same issues. I compaired the 
same Word document in the same Word version. On my Mac no issues regarding 
navigatibility. On his Mac same issue as here discribed. 
So far we weren't able to find a solution but just to let you all know this 
issue is real and it's not about Quic Nav.
All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 11.04.2022 um 16:50 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
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> Hi,
> 
> I tried to duplicate this unsuccessfully.  I open the Word document, a DOCX 
> document, Word opens and announces that there are 48 visible lines and I am 
> able to navigate through them.  I am using a M1 MBP 13 with Office 365 
> Version 16.59 (22031300).  At the moment, I have no suggestions to help as I 
> cannot duplicate the issue here.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2022, at 22:02, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, I opened a .docx document I created earlier today in TextEdit, using 
>> Microsoft Word on my Mac, and I am experiencing the same issue that Gabe 
>> described earlier.
>> 
>> When I open the document, I hear VoiceOver say “one visible line”, and I am 
>> also unable to navigate line by line, using either VoiceOver navigation or 
>> simple arrow key navigation.
>> 
>> I have made sure that QuickNav is not enabled.
>> I have tried interacting and un-interacting with the document area, and 
>> still am not able to navigate line by line.
>> 
>> This is very strange behavior indeed.  
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: A Sleeping Conundrum when using VoiceOver to Read Books in the Kindle App

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Hi Mark,

you could set a sleep timer
 the native clock app. Set the alarm tone to sleep or what ever it’s called on 
an english device and you are good to go. Now you are even able to use Siri to 
set the sleep timer.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 05.04.2022 um 00:32 schrieb M. Taylor :
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> Hello All,
> 
> So, one aspect of enjoying audiobooks is the ability to set a sleep timer in
> order to have audio playback stop after a specific number of minutes have
> passed.
> 
> Recently I am reading more and more titles via the Kindle app using the
> VoiceOver TTS.
> 
> The problem?  When I start VoiceOver continuous reading of a Kindle app
> title, it keeps going after I fall asleep.  So, by the time I wake up, the
> title is marked as finished (smile).  
> 
> What a first-world conundrum, eh? (smile).
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas on how to resolve this problem?
> 
> I was thinking about trying the Speak Screen feature but I don't know if it
> offers a sleep timer or not.
> 
> I would like to use VoiceDream Reader to enjoy my Kindle content but
> understand that this is not possible. 
> 
> I know that I can get Alexa to read a Kindle title on either an Apple device
> or on an Echo but, as far as I know, the problem persists.  I find that I
> prefer the VO TTS to Alexa when reading longs titles, by the way.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Starting Screen Recording

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Yes.But I was looking for a shortcut without choosing from options. Just a 
single shortcut to start a screen recording. 
Jürgen


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> Am 29.03.2022 um 08:06 schrieb Gerry Cook :
> 
> correction its command shift and the number 5 sorry for the typo error 
> 
>> On 29 Mar 2022, at 2:20 am, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> is there a shortcut to start a screen recording imediately in Mac OS 
>> Monterey?
>> 
>> I usually use CMD + Shift + 5 to open the window to start it but I need a 
>> way to start it without the support of VO.
>> 
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Starting Screen Recording

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Hi,

is there a shortcut to start a screen recording imediately in Mac OS Monterey?

I usually use CMD + Shift + 5 to open the window to start it but I need a way 
to start it without the support of VO.

Thanks and all the best
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Re: Using MS Office on the Mac

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Thanks a lot. That helps.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 19.03.2022 um 15:20 schrieb 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Starting with the keyboard shortcuts for the applications you’re using should 
> help. Also, Microsoft has published Web pages on using each application with 
> a screen reader. If I recall correctly, these include instructions for the 
> Mac.
> You could also consider using the item chooser menu in VoiceOver to jump to 
> desired controls efficiently. In addition, if you don’t already know how to 
> use Mac OS menus quickly with a keyboard, then add this knowledge to your 
> repertoire. Basically, you can start typing the name of a menu option (after 
> using VO-M to access the menus), and focus will move to the first option that 
> starts with the letters you type. Press Return/Enter to select; and do the 
> same for any sub-menus. Note that the menus in Microsoft Office applications 
> are extensive, and they duplicate what is in the ribbons. Using the menus is 
> probably faster if you know what you want to find.
> The only Microsoft Office application that I use frequently is Microsoft 
> Outlook, as one of my e-mail accounts absolutely requires it. Using Tab and 
> Shift-Tab for navigation in Outlook often works better than using VoiceOver 
> commands.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Jürgen Fleger 
> Date: Saturday, 19March, 2022 at 09:11
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Using MS Office on the Mac
> 
> Hi,
> 
> are there any manuals or recommendable web sides how to use MS Office on the 
> Mac efficiently with VoiceOver? At the moment I’m simply using the normal VO 
> standard navigation commands like VO + j and VO + Arrow keys in conjunction 
> with interaction into the elements. Seems to be a bit uncomfortable.
> 
> Maybe it’s uncomfortable to use MS Office on the Mac but maybe someone knows 
> ways or resources to use it more efficiently.
> 
> Thanks and all the best
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Using MS Office on the Mac

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Hi,

are there any manuals or recommendable web sides how to use MS Office on the 
Mac efficiently with VoiceOver? At the moment I’m simply using the normal VO 
standard navigation commands like VO + j and VO + Arrow keys in conjunction 
with interaction into the elements. Seems to be a bit uncomfortable.

Maybe it’s uncomfortable to use MS Office on the Mac but maybe someone knows 
ways or resources to use it more efficiently.

Thanks and all the best
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Re: Dropbox for Mac client, menu accessibility

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Hi, I experience the same on my MacBook M1 Pro. I guess it's the new version 
which eventually is compatible to the M1 chips. Unfortunately it's no longer 
possible to see the status of up and downloads.
To open this menu it's not enough to use VO Space. You need to route the mouse 
pointer there and perform a left mouse click.
All the best 
Jürgen


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> I recently installed Dropbox, as I've needed to transfer files to a company 
> that uses it in relation to a service they're providing.
> 
> The version I've installed is probably the new one for M1-based Mac systems.
> 
> There is an entry for Dropbox in Menu Extras, which VoiceOver identifies 
> correctly, but trying to activate it with Ctrl-Option-Space doesn't seem to 
> have any effect. There are no secondary actions either.
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Re: Alternativ web browser

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Thanks to all for your suggestions.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 26.02.2022 um 20:27 schrieb Terje Strømberg :
> 
> Firefox focus is a new Firefox browser that is a version of Firefox private 
> mode. Firefox Focus is even more private with almost no added features. It 
> has update websites and delete websites. Also settings where you can choose 
> to open the website in Firefox Chrome or standard browser. Firefox Focus app 
> in app store. For the moment i am using iPad. It may work well with voiceover 
> on mac too.
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
> 
> fre. 25. feb. 2022 kl. 17:51 skrev Jonathan Cohn  <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>:
> No, Chrome and Edge use the same basic engine, but might use slightly 
> different ways to communicate with VoiceOver.
> Firefox uses a third web rendering tool.
> I am truly amazed at this complaint, I have 7 year old Macintosh running the 
> latest MacOS, and find Safari and VoiceOver are generally working better 
> together than when I first got the computer.
> That being said, websites that are using a lot of JavaScript to move items 
> around visually or constantly update a panel with new items are often 
> problematic with VoiceOver. Also, some sites will provide more information 
> about a point on the screen when the mouse is moved over that point. If Mouse 
> follows VoiceOver cursor is on for these sites, then there might be a delay 
> as the additional information is populated from the DOM to the AOM to 
> VoiceOver. You can create a Macintosh activity to temporarily change Mouse 
> follows behavior, for these sites.
> Jonathan
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2022, at 03:29, Jürgen Fleger > <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
>> opinion it’s getting even worse. 
>> 
>> So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this 
>> solves the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the 
>> same delay?
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>> Thanks and all the best
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Hi,

several times people wrote of the annoiing busy-message of Safari. It my 
opinion it’s getting even worse. 

So has anyone experiences in using different browsers and whether this solves 
the issue? Or do all web browsers use the same engine and produce the same 
delay?

Thanks and all the best
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Sound of iPad Pro 2021

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Hi,

I got my iPad Pro 12.9 M1 imediately after it came out last year. And I wasn‘t 
convinced by its sound. It sounds very crisp but nearly no base. My hope was a 
change after iPad OS 15 came out but no luck. On the internet I found some 
similar reports but not many.

So Can anyone share sound impressions using this device? I‘m not sure whether 
it could be a hardware issue. I got one iPad Pro 12.9 from 2019 as well and it 
sounds much mor brilliant and it has a lot more base.

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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Re: VO command to make any window expand to its largest size

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Hi Tim,
very interesting. 
I always wondered why a VO user could want to move a window. Would you aggree 
this is only useful if you are partially sighted? Or is there anything I don't 
understand? 
Thanks and all the best
Jürgen 
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> Am 03.02.2022 um 23:14 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Further to my previous notes on this, see the following Apple article for 
> specific VO commands related to window manipulation:
> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/mchlp2709/mac
> 
> In looking at these, I don’t believe there is a specific command within 
> VoiceOver itself for what you asked.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 15:05, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Cmd-ctrl-f will put the window into Full Screen.  Alternatively, in some 
>> windows, you’ll find the Close, Minimize and Zoom buttons as the first items 
>> on the screen.  Use VO-FN-left then VO-left to move to the Full Screen, 
>> Zoom, Minimize and Close buttons.  Some windows do not have the Zoom option, 
>> just the Full Screen.  Zoom normally expands/collapses the window between 
>> its current size and as big as it would fit on the screen while still having 
>> the menubar visible.  Full Screen visually takes away the menu bar as well 
>> and uses the entire screen to display the window.  The same cmd-ctrl-f 
>> command will toggle it out of Full Screen mode.
>> 
>> Not sure if this is what you’re looking for, but it may help.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 14:57, Chuck Reichel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> I need to make some windows larger or zoomed to their biggest size.
>>> I know that VO tilde and VO shift tilde moves in small increments up or 
>>> down or left or right but I need to make the whole window grow to its 
>>> largest size to access certain menus in my pro tools plugin windows.
>>> What is the command to make any window expand to its largest size please?
>>> Thanks
>>> Chuck
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Re: i phone going totally silent after phone calls and headphones are removed

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Hi,
I experienced this as well but very rarely. Let’s hope Apple will fix it soon.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 06.01.2022 um 17:41 schrieb Caitlyn Furness :
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> that’s just it, I am getting absolutely no audible feedback!  I’ve tried 
> asking siri to turn on vo, have triple clicked the home button, hit the up 
> volume button a bunch of times, etc, with no luck!
> 
> Argh!
> 
> Thanks,
> Cait
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2022, at 11:17 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Just a couple other suggestions. Try turning VoiceOver on and off, and try 
>> turning up the volume to make sure that it didn’t accidentally get turned 
>> down.
>> Good luck,
>> Donna
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jan 6, 2022, at 10:13 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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>>> Hi Kate,
>>> 
>>> Did you try powering off your phone and restarting it? Perhaps that might 
>>> clear everything out and your phone will hopefully come back to normal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 6, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Today I was on hold on a phone call using my i phone 8 plus.  After being 
 on hold for over an hour the phone suddenly went silent and I haven’t been 
 able to get it to make sounds or get vo to work!  I was using lightning 
 connected headphones on the phone call so I could easily punch in numbers 
 when necesssary.
 
 Any fixes for this?  The phone is now connect to my mac and is 54 % 
 charged and is charging, but still is totally silent.  The phone is not 
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Re: Telegram again

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

just downloaded and started TweeseCaker. I received a spoken message it 
wouldn’t be possible to send audio output. 
Is there anything to do before using the app? Or is it just because it’s a beta 
version? Any ideas?
I’m using an iMac with M1 and Mac OS 12.1.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 01.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb Greg Wocher :
> 
> Hello,
> There is an app called TweeseCake on the mac that is accessible and does both 
> twitter and telegram. You can find it on the applevis website.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 6:49 PM, 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, the Telegram app for the Mac is not accessible.
>> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified assistive technology specialist
>> Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainer
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2021, at 18:30, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> A quick Web search indicates there’s a Mac OS version, so you should be 
>>> able to install it and find out how accessible it is. Another quick Web 
>>> search failed to find any useful information on http://applevis.com/ 
>>>  other than reports of accessibility issues with the 
>>> iOS version.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> >> > on behalf of Lorie McCloud 
>>> mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>>
>>> Date: Friday, December 31, 2021 at 17:19
>>> To: via MacVisionaries >> >
>>> Subject: Re: Telegram again
>>> 
>>> I use it on my phone with moderate success. I don't know if it works on a 
>>> computer or not.
>>> 
>>> > On Dec 31, 2021, at 4:16 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> > Hi,
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>>> > Is there any accessible way I could use Telegram using voiceover?
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Re: Names of attached files aren't read by voiceover in Monterey

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Andrew,

exactly the same behavior here in Monterey.

All the best
Jürgen

> Am 31.10.2021 um 11:28 schrieb 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> I’ve just sent a couple of attachments in an email to a friend.  I noticed 
> that when I have pasted the file into the body of the email - something which 
> I would normally do in Mail - voiceover doesn’t read the name of the pasted 
> ffile.  It now says “group”,, which is rather unhelpful.  Could anyone plese 
> confirm this behaviour before I report it?
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Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems

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What a pitty.
One of the biggest issues concerning Apple Products in my opinion is the 
reliability of accessibility.
I really do believe the accessibility team really works hard to keep the OS as 
accessible as possible for VoiceOver. But it’s like two steps forward and one 
step back. And that’s since I started using Apples products 12 years ago.
It’s not really possible to develop a stable workflow because after the next 
update it could become broken by the developers. And that’s even more true for 
third party developers. And that’s really an issue for people who want to use 
the Mac, iPad and iPhone truely productively for their business.
I don’t know what to do about this. All I see we can do is to send feedbacks to 
the accessibility team as long as it touches functions of VoiceOver. But 
sometimes I’m really frustrated and desparate.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 19.10.2021 um 03:29 schrieb 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> The RC came out, so I took the plunge. Sorry to say that the problems are 
> still there.
> 
> If you use Books and run into this bug, however infrequently, please let 
> Apple know so they’ll be more inclined to fix for the next point-version. I 
> don’t know about you, but I’m foolish enough to live by iBooks.
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Re: iOS 15 Books Navigation Problems

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Hi,

it seems to me Apple Books is broken in many ways. Just deleted the app and 
reinstalled it. Let see if that‘s helpful. 
The issues I had:
• stopped turning pages using VO 
• stopped randomely reading in middle of a page
• the special reader doesn‘t work at all since iOS 15
• using the bar at the bottom to navigate quickly to another page forward or 
backward tells me I‘m at the desired page but infact VO reads at the old 
position I was before
• often Apple Books looses the page position where I left 

Hopefully it‘ll be fixed in iOS 15.1. And it‘s so sad Apple doesn‘t releas 
fully working software anymore. OK, bugs are quite normal but it seems to me 
the big releases are not more than beta versions which had to become released 
at a certain date. But I do beleive the accessibility team works really hard to 
keep VO as powerful as it is. It‘s more an issue of the other parts of the 
company.

All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet

> Am 17.10.2021 um 05:05 schrieb 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks for the suggestion but, alas, it didn't work at all. In fact, 
> curiously, the problems occurred in exactly the same places, accounting for 
> font size. It's very, very bizarre.
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Re: Voiceover reading pages in pdf documents twice

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Hi Andrew,

it depends. If you are talking from Big Sur, yes. There’s an odd behavior. But 
it should be resolved in Monteray.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 29.09.2021 um 22:54 schrieb 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> Has anyone noticed a very odd behaviour of Voiceover when reading pdf 
> documents either in Preview or when Safari opens them on the web?  Voiceover 
> reads each page of a pdf document twice.  This is very annoying and totally 
> unnecessary.  Could you confirm?
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Re: Safari busy again on big sur 11.6

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And if you use an M1 Mac try Fire Fox. Not sure whether Fire Fox works on 
Intell too but it works defnitly on M1 Macs.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 27.09.2021 um 17:20 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> It seems to be an issue with the VoiceOver buffer filling up.  The Quickest 
> way I’ve found to work around it is to turn VOiceOver off, wait a few seconds 
> then turn it back on.  Things run smoothly after that for a while.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
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>> On Sep 26, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Oh yes I have this issue with Safari.
>> Not sure what to do about that.
>> Its a bit annoying though.
>> /A
>> 
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>>> do?  Or is it a matter of my mac being old?  It has 16 GB RAM, 512 hard 
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Re: Safari busy again on big sur 11.6

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Hi Andrew,
I haven’t updated yet but heard from a number of blind users of this issue. So 
it seems to be an issue of this update.
All the best
Jürgen


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> Since upgrading to the most recent 11.6 on my macbook pro late 2014, Safari 
> has become sluggish.  I’ve cleared the cashes, I keep my mac free from junk.  
> Has anyone else experienced this, and is there anything else I can do?  Or is 
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Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with Voiceover

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello,

how interesting. Sound Forge was always my favorit sound editor until Magix 
stopped its development. Is it really back? Just found a download page from 
Magix. But I haven’t heard or its come back. Would be great. Do you have 
experiences using it?

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 11.08.2021 um 18:51 schrieb Cara Quinn :
> 
> Just to add a bit to this thread and clear up a possible misunderstanding.
> 
> I haven’t seen anyone mention Sound forge (now owned by Magix), Sound Studio 
> or Wave Pad.
> 
> It’s been a while since I’ve used these but they might be of help.
> 
> One tip for Sound Studio, at least used to be to turn off cursor tracking, 
> which made the app work quite well with VO.
> 
> Also, since Sound Forge Pro is now about $300 US, Logic Pro may be a better 
> option if you would like a complete professional solution with less cost.
> 
> Secondly, on the subject of Logic, having used both ProTools and Logic, I’m 
> wondering what issues people are finding with the accessibility of Logic?
> 
> I use it on a daily basis for audio editing and production work and can vouch 
> for an extraordinarily high level of accessibility with VO.
> 
> So hope this helps.
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 9, 2021, at 3:32 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> I still wonder why mac’s own Logic Pro isn’t better supported by VoiceOver.
>> It  works and  I am not a good user but it should  work better I think.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 8 aug. 2021 kl. 23:08 skrev Karen Lewellen :
>>> 
>>> well...yes.
>>> Pro tools is a roles Royce or Mercedes
>>> Many here may only need a ford, or even just a bicycle for their sound work.
>>> Do not mistake me, Pro tools  is the program on which my radio production 
>>> work is based, long before the supports Chuck speaks of even existed.
>>> But,  there is a professional reason for that investment.
>>> One not everyone needs to make.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 8 Aug 2021, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>>> 
 Hi!
 But come on Chuck!
 I don’t do music and I don’t need a costly app with thousands of effects 
 and features.
 Yes I believe you.
 But most people can’t afford that.
 /A
 
> 8 aug. 2021 kl. 21:05 skrev Chuck Reichel 
> :
> 
> Hi Guys,
> The short answer is Avid Pro Tools.
> I’ve been editing audio with it for many years now and its straight 
> forward but does cost a bit.
> Our Avid beta teem is constantly working to keep accessibility in the 
> forefront for Pro Tools! :)
> 
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Amadeus Pro is a great app. A bit querky perhaps, but once you start 
>> practicing, you get used to how it works.
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 10:08, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> No I don't think so.
>>> I haven’t found any.
>>> /A
>>> 
 8 aug. 2021 kl. 16:10 skrev Frank Ventura 
 >>> >:
 
 I would be interested in Twistedwave, are there any tutorials for it?
 
 thanks
 
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 >>> > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:07 AM
 To: 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 Subject: Re: What audio editing apps work well on the Mac with 
 Voiceover
 
 Hi!
 There is Amadeus Pro but its not very easy to use but works very well.
 Jonathan Mosen has made a daisy book on how to use the Amadeus Pro.
 There is also twisted wave which also is available for iOS.
 I was going to learn it but there has been so much things in the way.
 /A
 
 
 8 aug. 2021 kl. 04:40 skrev Frank Ventura 
 >>> >:
 
 Hi all, can anyone recommend an easy to use audio editing program for 
 the Mac that works well with voice over? Also any tutorials would also 
 be appreciated. Thanks
 
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Re: How to call a phone number from a next message?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Oh sorry, answered in the wrong thread. But I'm sure you'll get it. 


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 06.08.2021 um 08:55 schrieb Jürgen Fleger :
> 
> Hi Donna, 
> just tell Siri to speak louder or quieter. Unfortunately it doesn't stay for 
> very long but for a short while it works. And in my oppinion the volume is 
> always to high at least in my bedroom at night.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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>> Am 06.08.2021 um 01:36 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> It used to be the case that you could tap a phone number in a text message, 
>> and you would have the option to call that number.  That doesn’t seem to 
>> work anymore, so I assume there’s some other way to accomplish this? What is 
>> it?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: How to call a phone number from a next message?

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Hi Donna, 
just tell Siri to speak louder or quieter. Unfortunately it doesn't stay for 
very long but for a short while it works. And in my oppinion the volume is 
always to high at least in my bedroom at night.
All the best
Jürgen


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> Hi all,
> 
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> and you would have the option to call that number.  That doesn’t seem to work 
> anymore, so I assume there’s some other way to accomplish this? What is it?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: How can I tell which address I forwarded an e-mail to after the fact?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Kevin,

choose the sent e-Mail, press CMD + Shift + d, navigate to the to-field, copy 
this to the clipboard, paste it into a textfield. There you’ll find the address.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 20.07.2021 um 07:19 schrieb Kevin Gibbs :
> 
> My wife has three different e-mail addresses.  Last night, I forwarded an 
> e-mail to her and now I can’t remember the address to which I forwarded it.  
> I look in the Sent file on my Mac running 10.12.6.  but all I see is her 
> name.   When I right-click, I see two e-mail addresses which are both greyed 
> out.  How an I tell which one I sent the mail to without asking her?
> 
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Looper App

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi musician Guys,

can anyone recommend an easy to use looper app for iPhone or iPad? 

Thanks and all the best
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Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
sorry I didn't follow this thread so hopefully I'm not wrong in understanding: 
Why don't you use CMD a and CMD c to extract text from PDFS? Or do you need an 
OCR? 
There was once a software called something PDFIFY for this task. It was free. 
All the best
Jürgen


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> Am 02.07.2021 um 18:26 schrieb Les Kriegler :
> 
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro but I 
> don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract text and 
> $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we are PDF and 
> maybe located? I hope they still offer it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to 
>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly and 
>> that's much easier to use. Neither are free though.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, though. 
>>> I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I have the 
>>> Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat Pro was a 
>>> subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a program I am 
>>> not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 
>>> Les
>>> 
 On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO 
 Utility?  If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to 
 announce that it is a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like 
 Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you.
 
 Later…
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Professional Learning Specialist
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition 
> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an 
> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with 
> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract text 
> that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not 
> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these 
> instances. Thanks.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if 
>> it has multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you 
>> wish to read and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you 
>> can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If 
>> VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is 
>> enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try again.  If it still doesn’t 
>> work for you, you may need to use full on OCR like in Acrobat DC.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could 
>>> not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is 
>>> there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a scanner? Is 
>>> there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is worth accessing? 
>>> Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Les
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Re: Let's talk apple!

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hey, sounds great. Thanks for the invitation.
Unfortunately it’s quite late for europeans. Here in Germany 1 pm eastern would 
be 10 pm if I found out correctly.
So maybe they are able to find a more suitable time for other strong Apple 
markets as well.
But anyway, thanks for this info.
All the best
Jürgen

> Am 19.05.2021 um 13:39 schrieb kliph miller Sr :
> 
>> Opened to all interested persons across North America and beyond!
>> 
>> Date:  Saturday May 22 2021
>> Time:  1 pm Eastern
>> 
>> World renowned Apple trainer and consultant John Panarese and 
>> Apple Certified support professional Donna Jodhan 
>> Are pleased to announce the following special event
>> 
>> On May 22 John and Donna will be hosting a very special and unique event!
>> A Zoom session to give you the chance to share your thoughts and suggestions 
>> as to how Apple can further enhance and improve its products to meet the 
>> requirements of blind and vision impaired persons and for you to share some 
>> of your dreams and visions as to how we can foster more collaboration with 
>> Apple. 
>> 
>> We are very excited about this event as it is probably one of the first of 
>> its kind.
>> We are hoping to attract many participants and because we want to ensure 
>> maximum participation we will limit the number of persons signing up to 50 
>> and should there be a demand from more than this then we would be happy to 
>> host more than one zoom session.
>> 
>> Description
>> John and Donna will host a 90 minute session consisting of three segments.
>> Segment one will last for approximately 40 minutes where you will have a 
>> chance to share your thoughts and comments with others about the Mac.
>> Tell us what you think could be another revolution or enhancement or 
>> challenge that Apple should be aware of.
>> 
>> Segment two will last for approximately 30 minutes where you will have a 
>> chance to share your thoughts and comments with others.
>> In this session we will turn your attention to IOS devices and ask for your 
>> input in a similar manner to segment one.
>> 
>> Segment three will be one where the floor will be opened to your questions 
>> directed to John and Donna.
>> You will have an opportunity to ask any of your favourite questions.
>> 
>> All of your feedback will be shared with Apple and rest assured that 
>> identities of respondents will be kept strictly confidential.
>> 
>> To register, please send an email to j...@macfortheblind.com 
>>  no later than noon Eastern on Friday May 21.
>> Zoom details will be sent to you closer to the date of May 22 2021
>> 
>> We look forward to welcoming you to our May 21 2021 Zoom session.
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Re: Creating shortcuts for websites in Safari?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Donna,
you can open your favorites using CMD 1 and so forth. But only if this key 
combination is disabled for changing Taps. If not it's CMD Option 1 and so 
forth. 
All the best
Jürgen


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> Could someone please refresh my memory on how to assign the CMD-1-9 keys to 
> a website?
> TIA,
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Re: Another free ClipBoard manager

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
any ideas whether Copied became more accessible on Macs? The advantage: Copied 
works great on iOS. And since Universal Clipboard more or less works like a 
lottery on my devices at least it would be cool to have something similar that 
works reliably.
All the best 
Jürgen

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 02.05.2021 um 22:58 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> :
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> Dear List,
> Here is another free accessible clipboard manager.
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cloudclip-manager/id563362017?mt=12
> It works well with Big Sur. I used this app back in 2013, but for some 
> reason, I stoped using it. So I decided to give it another try and was very 
> surprised at how well it works.
> Thanks,
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Re: Amadeus Pro gliche

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello Phil,

I do as follows:
1. Listen to the point where to start selection and press CMD + y and then m.
2. Listen further to the point where to end selection and press CMD + y.
3. I then press CMD + Arrow left to select to the previous marker.

If I then press Space I only hear the selected part of the audio.

Just a helpful hint: After pressing CMD + Arrow left I press CMD + z to remove 
the set marker. The selection won’t be deleted but the marker. That prevents 
Amadeus and myself from selecting accidentally parts which I don’t want to have 
selected. In the past it happened that I or Amadeus confused to which marker to 
jump because there were to many in the audio.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 29.04.2021 um 04:48 schrieb Phil Halton :
> 
> 
> 
> OK, I figured it out, but it’s still kind of weird. Here’s what I have been 
> doing.
> First I start playback with tab from the beginning of the file to the point 
> where I want to start the selection and then stop with spacebar and press the 
> P to drop a marker there.
> Then, I hit spacebar to continue playing till I find the end where I want to 
> mark the selection and hit  spacebar.
> Now I press command Y to bring insertion point to the play head, and then 
> command left arrow to extend selection back to the previous marker. Selection 
> has now been made, and pressing the EE previews the cut correctly, so I know 
> the selection is made.
> Here’s where it gets weird. Pressing command why has the effect of kicking 
> the play head back to the beginning of the file. If I now  press the spacebar 
> it will play from beginning through the end of my selection. And then all 
> subsequent spacebar will play only the selection.
> but, if I first pressed command shift why to bring play head to insertion 
> point, it effectively brings the play head back into the selection and then 
> pressing spacebar will correctly play only the selection.
> Believe me, I have run this six ways from Sunday and I have to conclude that 
> pressing command why has the effect of kicking the play head back to the 
> beginning of the file. And, pressing command shift why to bring it back to 
> the insertion point before playing the selection is the only way to get it to 
> correctly play the selection only. Otherwise, it will play from the beginning 
> of the file through to the end of the selection. Once there, it is back in 
> the selection area and subsequent presses of Spacebar will play the selection 
> as expected.
> 
> I have checked the playback settings and they are not the culprit here. So, 
> it seems there is an extra keystroke in the command shift why to bring play 
> head back into the selection area if I want to hear the selection plate with 
> the spacebar. Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 9:56 AM, 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Make sure you’re hitting command Y to go to the play head, once you set 
>> your markers. Then it will play your selection.
>> 
>> God bless.
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Certified assistive technology specialist
>> Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainer
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 08:37, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> Yes, I have this problem also.
>>> Hiting the spacebar about 4 to five times usually fixes it.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2021, at 9:14 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
 
 Using the latest update, and this may have been happening all along as its 
 been a while since I’ve used the program, When I select some audio and use 
 the spacebar to hear the selection, Amadeus plays from the beginning of 
 the file. But, when I use the E key to preview the selection, it previews 
 only the selected audio. I checked tthe playback settings and its set to 
 play selection with spacebar.
 
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Re: Amadeus Pro gliche

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Phil,

e actually is preview cut not listen to selection. And you are really sure 
pressing Space? Shift Space plays the selected track and Tab jumps to the start 
and plays from there.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 28.04.2021 um 03:14 schrieb Phil Halton :
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> Using the latest update, and this may have been happening all along as its 
> been a while since I’ve used the program, When I select some audio and use 
> the spacebar to hear the selection, Amadeus plays from the beginning of the 
> file. But, when I use the E key to preview the selection, it previews only 
> the selected audio. I checked tthe playback settings and its set to play 
> selection with spacebar.
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> Any ideas or suggestions?
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Re: Best OCR & scanner for VoiceOver?

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It should be. If I remember correctly you can try it out for 2 weeks.
All the best
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> Am 27.04.2021 um 15:37 schrieb Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hej!
> Is this exact scan pro able to scan pdfs?
> I will check this app out really.
> /A
> 
>> 26 apr. 2021 kl. 21:04 skrev Jürgen Fleger > <mailto:mailinglis...@fleger.net>>:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> yes, Docu Scan Plus ist really the best solution. I like it very much. 
>> 
>> What‘s also quite good is Exact Scan Pro. I‘m not sure whether you have it 
>> in the US but it’s abailable in Germany on their web side. Vuescan is 
>> another alternative. But last time I used it it didn‘t support layout 
>> detection. Means it didn‘t recognized whether the page was upside down.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 26.04.2021 um 20:17 schrieb Dave Carlson >> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>>:
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>>> If you’re talking Mac OS, then the best OCR is likely the most expensive — 
>>> Docuscan +. Scanners themselves will vary, but you should get one with both 
>>> ADF and a flatbed for books.
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Chuck Reichel >> <mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> whats the Best scanner and OCR for VoiceOver?
>>> I have a budget put aside for it so I need the best and most VoiceOver 
>>> friendly combination of OCR and some very cool software to make life a bit 
>>> easier! :)
>>> Thanks for any ideas?
>>> Chuck
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Re: Best OCR & scanner for VoiceOver?

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Hello,

yes, Docu Scan Plus ist really the best solution. I like it very much. 

What‘s also quite good is Exact Scan Pro. I‘m not sure whether you have it in 
the US but it’s abailable in Germany on their web side. Vuescan is another 
alternative. But last time I used it it didn‘t support layout detection. Means 
it didn‘t recognized whether the page was upside down.

All the best
Jürgen


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> Am 26.04.2021 um 20:17 schrieb Dave Carlson :
> 
> If you’re talking Mac OS, then the best OCR is likely the most expensive — 
> Docuscan +. Scanners themselves will vary, but you should get one with both 
> ADF and a flatbed for books.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Apr 26, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> whats the Best scanner and OCR for VoiceOver?
> I have a budget put aside for it so I need the best and most VoiceOver 
> friendly combination of OCR and some very cool software to make life a bit 
> easier! :)
> Thanks for any ideas?
> Chuck
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Re: Problem with Siri Schedule Command

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Hey Paul,

sounds great. Unfortunately it doesn’t work in german. If I tell Siri new event 
lunch with Thomas Siri asks back which Thomas in my contacts was meant. 
Literally she asks if I could tell her which Thomas is meant. If I say no Siri 
doesn’t create this event at all. There’s no escape from this loop.
Let me know if your way of telling this Siri always works or just sometimes.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 23.04.2021 um 11:20 schrieb Paul Hopewell :
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> Hello,
> I think I have fixed this. If I tell Siri “Schedule lunch with Pete 5th May 
> 12 noon” then Siri asks me which of my contacts called Pete I mean and then 
> sends an invitation to that Pete. However if I instead tell Siri “New Event 
> Lunch with Pete 5th May 12 noon” then Siri simply adds that entry to my 
> calendar which is what I want.
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Re: Problem with Siri Schedule Command

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Hello,

that's a very annoying feature to me as well. And if I meant non of the Peats 
in my contacts but a different person I'm not able to create this event at all 
using Siri. 

I've heard it should be common in the US to send an invitation to people in a 
calendar event. In Germany it is not and so to me that's very annoying as well. 
I don't know a way to disable this feature except to write to Apple and ask to 
make it optional. 

All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 21.04.2021 um 21:17 schrieb Paul Hopewell :
> 
> Hello,
> I am running IOS 14.4.2 on my iPhone SE 2020.
> I find the Siri Schedule command very useful for creating calendar entries. 
> However one very annoying feature is that if I say something like Schedule 
> Lunch with Pete 23 April 11 am “ Siri checks my contacts list to show me all 
> the Petes and asks me to choose the correct Pete and it then sends an 
> invitation to that Pete.
> This is bad news as Pete does not have an iPhone and will be very confused by 
> any Email Siri sends to him. 
> Is there any way to stop this behaviour?
> Many thanks … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Is it still possible to call a phone number from messages in IOS 14?

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Hey Donna, 
is it on your iPhone? Make a double tap on the name or number on top of the 
thread and choose audio. Just did it and it worked as described. 
All the best
Jürgen


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> Is there still a way to call a number of someone who sent you a message? If 
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Re: Audio Hijack for IOS?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Helo Paul,
have you tried screen recording?
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 06.04.2021 um 21:41 schrieb Paul Hopewell :
> 
> Hello,
> Does anyone know of a VO friendly IOS App which will capture audio played by 
> Safari, somewhat like Audio Hijack on Mac/OS?
> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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Re: amadeus pro: fastest method for reading current time

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You can find the elapsed time in the Toolbar. I tried to set a VoiceOver 
Hotspot there but Hotspots are not very reliable as you might know. And it 
seems to be difficult if there are several windows open. VoiceOver confuses  
them when reading the content of the Hotspot.

So CMD + g might be the better choice.

Jürgen




> Am 03.04.2021 um 14:43 schrieb Jeff Berwick :
> 
> I don’t know where it is located visually, but if you move the insertion 
> point to the play head you can then hit command + g to see the time.
> 
> Hth,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 1:18 AM, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am currently coding some quick scripts in python to generate video clips 
>> from a list of youtube videos, and a transcription of my own audio to layer 
>> on top automatically.
>> 
>> I am looking for the most efficient, as in fastest way of reading the 
>> current playhead on the timeline on amadeus pro. I don't want to fool around 
>> using vo navigation, but just capture the time stamp, by using keyboard 
>> maestro or some other such keyboard command to get the information.
>> 
>> Anyone know where the timeline is located in the amadeus pro interface?
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> Yuma 
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Re: In latest Big Sur update, Command-A no longer working in mail

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OK, Newsletter are always a bit difficult. 


> Am 19.03.2021 um 18:16 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> So I just did a bit of testing. It seems to work with regular email messages. 
> The message I'm having trouble with is a newsletter, so it contains headings 
> and images.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 12:15 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nope. See last message. That was actually what I meant to say, but it 
>> doesn't work.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I'm not mistaken, CMD + A, should select all.
>>> The command to begin reading from the current position of the VoiceOver 
>>> cursor is,  VO + A.
>>> On my MacBook Pro, running the latest update of Big Sur, this command works 
>>> as  expected.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 10:58, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Since updating to the latest iteration of Big Sur, I can no longer use 
>>> Command-A to read a whole email message. When I try, VO seems to get stuck 
>>> in the header at the top of the message, and keep repeating that over and 
>>> over again. Anyone know what's up. Is there a new command for accomplishing 
>>> this?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: In latest Big Sur update, Command-A no longer working in mail

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello Donna,

I haven’t updated yet but here are some suggestions:
1. Did you try VO + a?
2. If you open an e-Mail using Enter VO should read its content automatically.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 19.03.2021 um 16:58 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> Since updating to the latest iteration of Big Sur, I can no longer use 
> Command-A to read a whole email message. When I try, VO seems to get stuck in 
> the header at the top of the message, and keep repeating that over and over 
> again. Anyone know what's up. Is there a new command for accomplishing this?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: send feedback to Apple re HomePod

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Hi,
that sounds very negative to me. Apple proved several times their ability and 
willingness to react on users feedback. I myself had once a chat with Apple 
Irland about huge issues in Preview in Mac OS Lion. And what shall I say. They 
found the issue and solved it in an update 3 months later. Even Tim Cook was 
involved. That’s a thing only Apple can do. I’ve never experienced this in my 
time as a Windows user.
So in my opinion it’s always worth a feedback.
All the best
Jürgen

> Am 15.03.2021 um 13:37 schrieb Anders Holmberg :
> 
> Hi!
> Why is that a bad decision?
> Explain that to me please.
> I never considered to buy one and I don’t see the reason to have one either.
> There are tons of speakers out there and the HomePod has not even come to my 
> country yet.
> I also doubt that It will will comeback no matter how much feedback you give.
> /A
> 
>> 15 mars 2021 kl. 04:04 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just sent feedback to Apple regarding their decision to discontinue the 
>> HomePod. I would encourage anyone else who sees this as a bad decision to do 
>> the same. You can send feedback by going to this link:
>> https://www.apple.com/feedback/ 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Donna,

oh good. Now I know I can use this saying. :-)

You can find the setting via the Home app. Open HomePod settings and scroll 
down to Music & Podcast headline. Below you’ll find the setting. to adjust the 
volume automatically. Should be the third setting.

All the best
Jürgen



> Am 15.03.2021 um 13:59 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Jurgen,
> 
> We have the exact same expression in English, don’t bet on the wrong horse. 
> So your translation was perfect. :)
> 
> I haven’t noticed volume problems on the Mini, but I don’t use it to listen 
> to music nearly as often. I like having a music and Siri device in parts of 
> the house where I wouldn’t spend the money on good speakers, but that’s as 
> far as the mini goes, in my opinion.
> 
> Where is the setting to adjust volume automatically between songs? I didn’t 
> know that was there, and I’d definitely check it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:37 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I totally agree with you both. It seems Apple continius a poorer device, 
>> still good but poorer, which suffers from the same Siri issues like its 
>> bigger brothers. Sounds worse but has the same issues. And even more of it 
>> as I experience my HomePod Mini. 
>> Additionally to the issues you mentioned I‘m not able to increase or 
>> decrease Siris volume. Yes I can tell her to decrease volume but after one 
>> or two requests the volume goes up automatically. I hear music very often on 
>> volume 1 in my bedroom on a Mini. Often the second song is played in an 
>> increased volume. Even though I checked the option to adjust volume 
>> automatically between songs. 
>> So I love my original HomePods because of their great sound and I hope Apple 
>> doesn‘t bets on the wrong horse. I don‘t know if I can translate this german 
>> saying literally but you might know what I mean.
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
>> 
>>> Am 15.03.2021 um 04:37 schrieb Mary Otten :
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
>>> problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
>>> Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? 
>>> And even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even 
>>> on the watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time 
>>> and totally lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So 
>>> I totally agree with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all 
>>> about me in order to play a given radio station in a foreign country that 
>>> exists on a service with which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just 
>>> screwed up. This is one area where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. 
>>> The homePod‘s are really nice speakers in my opinion.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
>>>> least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play 
>>>> every station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or 
>>>> iHeart.  You might give that another try.
>>>> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
>>>> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
>>>> the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
>>>> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But 
>>>> you're right, that shouldn't be necessary.
>>>> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
>>>> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the 
>>>> mini.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t 
>>>>> think Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and 
>>>>> never mind privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in 
>>>>> these cases. Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the 
>>>>> world to play reliably? Why doesn’t music alw

Re: Apple HomePod Discontinued: Apple to Focus on Smaller, HomePod Mini, USA Today

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
I totally agree with you both. It seems Apple continius a poorer device, still 
good but poorer, which suffers from the same Siri issues like its bigger 
brothers. Sounds worse but has the same issues. And even more of it as I 
experience my HomePod Mini. 
Additionally to the issues you mentioned I‘m not able to increase or decrease 
Siris volume. Yes I can tell her to decrease volume but after one or two 
requests the volume goes up automatically. I hear music very often on volume 1 
in my bedroom on a Mini. Often the second song is played in an increased 
volume. Even though I checked the option to adjust volume automatically between 
songs. 
So I love my original HomePods because of their great sound and I hope Apple 
doesn‘t bets on the wrong horse. I don‘t know if I can translate this german 
saying literally but you might know what I mean.
All the best
Jürgen






Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet

> Am 15.03.2021 um 04:37 schrieb Mary Otten :
> 
> Thanks for the link you sent in another message, I will be responding. My 
> problem is that a lot of the stations I want our foreign language. And the 
> Amazon devices and the Google devices will play them. Siri won’t. Why not? 
> And even HomePod aside, Siri just sends me to the web far too often. Even on 
> the watch. That’s ridiculous. Apple bought the leading AI of its time and 
> totally lost it. I don’t want apple digging into my privacy matters. So I 
> totally agree with you there. But I don’t think you have to know all about me 
> in order to play a given radio station in a foreign country that exists on a 
> service with which Apple supposedly has connections. It’s just screwed up. 
> This is one area where Apple totally lost it. And it’s so sad. The homePod‘s 
> are really nice speakers in my opinion.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2021, at 8:11 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> Well, far be it from me to defend Siri, but she's gotten a lot better, at 
>> least with regard to playing radio stations. I can now get her to play every 
>> station I want to hear, either from public radio, Tune-In, or iHeart.  You 
>> might give that another try.
>> I don't get why some music just won't play, and that's still an issue. I 
>> mean, it would make sense if they had foreign language titles, but some of 
>> the albums that give the most trouble don't. I've just solved that by 
>> creating  playlist with the album, and giving it a different name. But 
>> you're right, that shouldn't be necessary.
>> All this said, I don't see how focusing on the Mini is going to fix those 
>> issues. The albums that won't play on my HomePod, also won't play on the 
>> mini.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
 On Mar 14, 2021, at 10:03 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I agree with you with regard to privacy issues. But I honestly don’t think 
>>> Apple has done what they could or should have done with Siri and never mind 
>>> privacy issues. That is, privacy issues shouldn’t matter in these cases. 
>>> Why, for instance, can’t you get radio stations around the world to play 
>>> reliably? Why doesn’t music always play reliably? Why can’t you switch 
>>> among music providers? Apple made a really nice speaker, better than Google 
>>> certainly, and I don’t have the Amazon studio, so I can’t compare. I mean 
>>> really. HomePod aside, Siri still get an awful lot of stuff wrong, and 
>>> still sends you to the web Waymore than it should. Didn’t Apple say that 
>>> was one of their big focuses for this year? Well, they blew it. So now, I 
>>> have my nice HomePods which may or may not ever see any more upgrades. The 
>>> performance is not reliable. It’s not the speaker. It’s the infrastructure. 
>>> Apple screwed up.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:44 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 Hi, Mary,
 I'm sure everyone on this list knows I've had my frustrations with Siri. 
 lol That said, I'd still rather have Siri than either Alexa or Google. Not 
 that any company has a flawless track record, but I trust Apple's handling 
 of privacy issues much more than either Amazon or Google. Also, none of 
 the Amazon devices I've listened to sound as good as the HomePod does.
 I have a couple of minis and they're fine as sort of satellite  Siris that 
 can also play music. I have one in the bedroom, and one down in the 
 exercise room. Neither are places where I'm totally focused on the sound 
 quality so it's fine. But I would never want a Mini in one of the main 
 living spaces of the house.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> I couldn’t agree more, Donna. I was really disappointed. The problem with 
> the homePod isn’t the speaker, it’s Apple and that god awful Siri. They 
> really have not done what they should be doing with that. And there’s no 
> way I’m interested in any HomePod mini. Why? I bought a 

Re: VoiceOver transmitting in zoom meetings

[Jürgen Fleger]

Yes, I experience this as well. But only if I use the EarPods. I guess the 
microfone is too close to the headphone. So try to use another headphone best 
not a headset but a simple headphone.
All the best
Jürgen

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> Am 04.03.2021 um 22:14 schrieb Chris Moore :
> 
> Hello,
> When using the mac with zoom, VO is transmitting to the meeting even when 
> using headphones.  The only way to stop this is to mute my audio.  
> Has anyone else experienced this, and are there any other workarounds?
> 
> TIA
> Chris
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Re: Comparing VoiceOver And NVDA

[Jürgen Fleger]

I only found one real solution to this issue: 
Navigate to an element in the Dock.
Switch off Trackpad Commander.
Route mouse pointer to VO by pressing VO + CMD + F5. Pressing FN additionally 
probably would be necessary in most cases.
Hold down CTRL and press down Trackpad with one finger. Means perform a real 
right click.
If I do so the known context menu opens  reliably on my Mac. All other 
suggestions didn’t work more than ones.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 02.03.2021 um 06:39 schrieb Brad Snyder :
> 
> I don’t find that using the Actions Menu helps get around any of the Big Sur 
> Dock access issues.
> Maybe I’m missing something here.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 1, 2021, at 18:51, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>Which can be done via the Action Menu with ease.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> Adding items to the Dock never has been a problem in Big Sur.  The problem 
>> is accessing and working with the shortcut menu for Dock items in Big Sur.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 18:36, Mike Arrigo > > wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if this person even tried a mac. Yes, there was an issue with disk 
>> utility in the big sur recovery and I agree that this should have never been 
>> released, but it is fixed now. I'm wondering what tasks the author of this 
>> article wants to perform but is unable to do. There is still an issue with 
>> adding and removing items from the dock using the keyboard but that's not 
>> voiceover related directly.
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 6:48 AM, kliph miller Sr >> > wrote:
>>> 
> It’s clear to me about this article 2 things.
 1. This is a windows user
 2. They haven’t done there homework.
 Note: I am not the author of this article!
 
> Introduction
> The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or 
> visually impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses with 
> modern computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen 
> readers have been very expensive third-party programs that were very 
> difficult to obtain depending on one’s financial status. However, several 
> free yet capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 years. The 
> two that we will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for macOS and the 
> Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are powerful screen 
> readers in their own right, but they have their strengths and weaknesses 
> which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully by the end of this 
> article, you will have a better understanding of each product and its 
> individual strengths/weaknesses.
> 
> NVDA
> Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source 
> screen reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The 
> organization behind the project is an Australian company called NV Access 
> (www.nvaccess.org ). It has been around since 
> 2006 and primarily competes with the JAWS for Windows screen reader 
> produced by Freedom Scientific or Vispero as they are now known by. It 
> offers many of the same features that JAWS offers and should be suitable 
> for 99% of screen reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely 
> compelling. It is offered free of charge to anyone in the world, meaning 
> there is no longer a financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, 
> or do anything else on a computer. NV Access does rely on donations, 
> either from individuals or grants from large companies, so if you can 
> donate, it is very much worth it to help this amazing project continue 
> long into the future. The obvious benefit is that a blind person can 
> compete on a level playing field with sighted peers at no more cost than 
> anyone else. Updates to NVDA are also free, and NV Access releases 3-4 
> updates per year that fix bugs and add new features.
> 
> Since NVDA is open source, anyone is free to review the source code and 
> propose changes. While anyone can propose a change and submit code, it’s 
> still reviewed and approved by NV Access before it is included in 
> anything anyone can download. This ensures the security of the software 
> from unauthorised changes and means that the final product available from 
> https://www.nvaccess.org/  is just as secure 
> and well vetted as the closed 

iTunes/Music playlist changed unexpectedly

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
isn’t that strange? I changed this playlist several weeks ago, added some songs 
and so on. Today I found it sat back to an older version from several weeks 
ago. Very annoying. Now I need to remember which songs I’ve added in this 
particular list. Hopefully there are no changes in all my other playlists.
Has anyone experienced something like that recently as well?
All the best
Jürgen

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Re: Strange new behavior when using Siri to play music from my homepod

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Jonathan,
couldn‘t find an option to define how it shall work. I lokked in the Home app, 
in Settings > Music and in the list of speakers in Control Center. 
Any idea where to find this option to configure?
Thanks and all the best
Jürgen


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> Am 17.01.2021 um 19:17 schrieb Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> That is a feature of IOS 14. I believe it can be turned off on your Music 
> app preferences. I personally don't experience this, if I ask Siri to play 
> Dark side of the Moon, that is all it plays.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2021, at 13:14, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> what I don‘t like at all on my HomePod is the following: I ask Siri to play 
>> an album and it continous to play any other music after the end of that 
>> album. Do you experience that as well?
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPad Pro gesendet
>> 
>>>> Am 17.01.2021 um 18:50 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> :
>>>> 
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>> 
>>> I don't see that. I've looked in Notifications, General, and Music. It 
>>> certainly seems like that's something I would want to be off.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I saw in Watch settings on my phone something about lauto launching "now 
>>>> listening" is perhaps this what is effecting your watch? I believe this 
>>>> was in the notification  settings area.
>>>> 
>>>>Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 16:30, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The thing that made me notice it was my watch. It positively kills the 
>>>>> battery life on my watch. Not only does it drain the battery, but it 
>>>>> makes it so the battery doesn't charge properly either. And the only way 
>>>>> to stop the rapid battery drain is to completely power my phone off and 
>>>>> back on again. this really sucks.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Berwick  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had noticed the media controls showing up on my iPhone, and I have 
>>>>>> also noticed a fast drain on my iPhone battery in recent days.  I 
>>>>>> didn’t, unlike you, connect the two.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now that you made me aware, I’m also not happy with this adjustment/bug 
>>>>>> or whatever it is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 10:05 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For about the past week, when I use Siri to play music from my 
>>>>>>> Homepod—also playing to some Sonos speakers—the Airplay control dialog 
>>>>>>> displays on my other i-devices—phone, iPad, etc. This never used to 
>>>>>>> happen, and I don’t like it. It used to be that unless I manually 
>>>>>>> airplayed something from my phone or other device, airplay was not 
>>>>>>> initiated. I prefer to just use my voice to control music playing on 
>>>>>>> the Homepod. It also seems to be draining my watch battery. Is there 
>>>>>>> anything I can do to get the Homepod to go back to the old behavior?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Strange new behavior when using Siri to play music from my homepod

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

what I don‘t like at all on my HomePod is the following: I ask Siri to play an 
album and it continous to play any other music after the end of that album. Do 
you experience that as well?

All the best
Jürgen


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> Am 17.01.2021 um 18:50 schrieb 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> I don't see that. I've looked in Notifications, General, and Music. It 
> certainly seems like that's something I would want to be off.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> I saw in Watch settings on my phone something about lauto launching "now 
>> listening" is perhaps this what is effecting your watch? I believe this was 
>> in the notification  settings area.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 16:30, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jeff,
>>> 
>>> The thing that made me notice it was my watch. It positively kills the 
>>> battery life on my watch. Not only does it drain the battery, but it makes 
>>> it so the battery doesn't charge properly either. And the only way to stop 
>>> the rapid battery drain is to completely power my phone off and back on 
>>> again. this really sucks.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jan 14, 2021, at 2:48 PM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I had noticed the media controls showing up on my iPhone, and I have also 
 noticed a fast drain on my iPhone battery in recent days.  I didn’t, 
 unlike you, connect the two.  
 
 Now that you made me aware, I’m also not happy with this adjustment/bug or 
 whatever it is.
 
 Jeff
 
 
> On Jan 14, 2021, at 10:05 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> For about the past week, when I use Siri to play music from my 
> Homepod—also playing to some Sonos speakers—the Airplay control dialog 
> displays on my other i-devices—phone, iPad, etc. This never used to 
> happen, and I don’t like it. It used to be that unless I manually 
> airplayed something from my phone or other device, airplay was not 
> initiated. I prefer to just use my voice to control music playing on the 
> Homepod. It also seems to be draining my watch battery. Is there anything 
> I can do to get the Homepod to go back to the old behavior?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Strange. It didn’t work as you described. But then I performed a right click on 
it in extras menu and then again a request opened to allow Flycut use 
accessibility in Systempreferences. And now I could find an entry Flycut. After 
enabeling this I can open the menu by performing a right click on Flycut in 
Extras menu. A simple VO + Space still doesn’t work. Maybe they changed 
something in the program? Anyway, now it works as expected as far as I can see.


> Am 13.01.2021 um 16:28 schrieb dan d. :
> 
> When choosing flycut from the extras menu it opens with any saved items and 
> its own menu.  Even if nothing has been saved its own menu items appear.
> 
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2021, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
> 
>> Not really. If I try to open Flycut from the extras menu it???s just an 
>> empty window. So it seems not to be very user friendly to VoiceOver users.
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 12.01.2021 um 23:38 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I finally got it working.
>>> Do you know if there is a way to clear a single entry without clearing all 
>>> entries?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:15 AM, J??rgen Fleger  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I had to do the following to get it to work:
>>>> open the Flycut app
>>>> it seems as if nothing happened but in truth an invisible window opened
>>>> press Enter to confirm and open System Preferences to enable AEServer to 
>>>> make Flycut working
>>>> 
>>>> After this it appeared in the extras menu.
>>>> 
>>>> All the best
>>>> J??rgen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 12.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> Like I said in my first message, Its not showing in the menu.
>>>>> I logged out and back in just to get it to quit.
>>>>> Then I was able to delete it. I reinstalled it with the same problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can 
>>>>>> be quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I got this from the App Store.
>>>>>>> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
>>>>>>> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
>>>>>>> monitor, or in the extras menu.
>>>>>>> And its not showing in force quit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to 
>>>>>>>> use and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that 
>>>>>>>>> are accessible?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Christina
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Not really. If I try to open Flycut from the extras menu it’s just an empty 
window. So it seems not to be very user friendly to VoiceOver users.


> Am 12.01.2021 um 23:38 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> I finally got it working.
> Do you know if there is a way to clear a single entry without clearing all 
> entries?
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I had to do the following to get it to work: 
>> open the Flycut app
>> it seems as if nothing happened but in truth an invisible window opened
>> press Enter to confirm and open System Preferences to enable AEServer to 
>> make Flycut working
>> 
>> After this it appeared in the extras menu.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 12.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Like I said in my first message, Its not showing in the menu.
>>> I logged out and back in just to get it to quit.
>>> Then I was able to delete it. I reinstalled it with the same problem.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can be 
>>>> quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
>>>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I got this from the App Store.
>>>>> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
>>>>> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
>>>>> monitor, or in the extras menu.
>>>>> And its not showing in force quit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to 
>>>>>> use and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
>>>>>>> accessible?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Christina
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
I had to do the following to get it to work: 
open the Flycut app
it seems as if nothing happened but in truth an invisible window opened
press Enter to confirm and open System Preferences to enable AEServer to make 
Flycut working

After this it appeared in the extras menu.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 12.01.2021 um 15:52 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hello,
> Like I said in my first message, Its not showing in the menu.
> I logged out and back in just to get it to quit.
> Then I was able to delete it. I reinstalled it with the same problem.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 8:39 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>> 
>> It shows up in  menu extras and can be accessed and configured.  It can be 
>> quit there also.  Suggest you give it a try, I think you will like it.
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I got this from the App Store.
>>> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
>>> I can???t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity 
>>> monitor, or in the extras menu.
>>> And its not showing in force quit.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
 
 
 I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
 and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
 
 On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
> accessible?
> 
> Thanks,
> Christina
> 
> 
 
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Re: Clipboard manager for Mac

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Hi,
same issues here. Could someone explain more how to use this tool?
Thanks
Jürgen

> Am 11.01.2021 um 20:41 schrieb 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> I got this from the App Store.
> I tried to open it, but nothing seems to happen.
> I can’t delete it  because its running, but it is not in activity monitor, or 
> in the extras menu.
> And its not showing in force quit.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 8:46 AM, dan d.  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I use flycut it is open source and free,  the app. store.  Its easy to use 
>> and configure, I wouldn't do without it.
>> 
>> On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, Christina wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Are there any good and safe Mac Clipboard manager/history apps that are 
>>> accessible?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christina
>>> 
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Re: Is mail chimp accessible?

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Hi,
which provided service do you mean? The app is quite accessible. The Dash Board 
on their Web Page as well. But I‘m not sure about their interface to create a 
Newsletter. I prefere to do this in an e-Mail and send it to the specific 
address.
All the best
Jürgen


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> Am 04.01.2021 um 22:33 schrieb jean parker :
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> Hello All:
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> Does anyone have info about mail chimp and voiceover accessibility?
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: an update on my Big Sur experience

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Use CTRL + CMD + Shift + t to add elements like programs to the Dock. Open 
elements from the Dock works like you are used to.


> Am 23.12.2020 um 16:21 schrieb Mike Arrigo :
> 
> So, after playing with the new operating system a bit more, I'm going to 
> stick with it rather than going back to Catalina although I still think that 
> Apple has taken several steps backward with this new OS. I figure there's no 
> point going back to an old operating system even if it's a bit easier for 
> some things.
> I do hope Apple fixes the bug with using the dock, but I have an acceptable 
> work around for that. I prefer not to open the applications folder every time 
> I want to open an app which is what I used the dock for. Since this is 
> currently not possible, I have made aliases for the applications I use the 
> most and put them on my desktop.
> Regarding the messages application, I think I have found what I would 
> consider to be a major voiceover bug and it's one reason I was having so much 
> trouble with the app. Voiceover has a setting that determines how groups are 
> handled, I usually use the bookend groups option since this eliminates the 
> need to interact with items as much. This setting does not currently work 
> with the messages app. Basically the new messages app has two sections, the 
> conversations list and to the right of that is the area where the selected 
> conversation is displayed. If you use one of the other voiceover group 
> settings besides standard, once you move in to one of these areas, voiceover 
> will get stuck there and you cannot get out of this section and go to the 
> other one. Since I usually use the bookend groups setting, I created an 
> activity for the messages app that switches to the standard setting instead. 
> Unlike the messages app in Catalina, you can no longer use just the arrow 
> keys to select a conversation, you must interact with the conversations list 
> and use voiceover to select the conversation you want. Also, when opening the 
> context menu for a conversation, you must use the voiceover up and down 
> commands to move through the menu, using the regular arrow keys will not work.
> I've also found an odd issue with the notification center, in previous 
> operating systems, when an application requested to use the notification 
> center, the prompt would appear and there were buttons to allow or deny the 
> request. With Big Sur, either those buttons do not appear or Voiceover does 
> not see them. You have to press VO+command+space to open the actions menu to 
> respond to the notification.
> I really hope Apple fixes some of these issues, I would consider some of them 
> to be major.
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Re: Dock issue in Big Sur

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I found this bug in the Dock as well on my MacBook Air with M1 and posted a 
screen video to Apples Accessibility team. They confirmed it and want to solve 
it in the future.
Jürgen


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> Am 22.12.2020 um 12:03 schrieb Anders Holmberg :
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> Hi!
> Tim Killburn  who used to be in this group has posted in the public beta 
> group about something like this.
> I am trying to find out if I have the same issue.
> It seems to  work quite well for me but there are some buttons where they 
> forgot to label them.
> Also there are issues using braille in the music app as you really don’t get 
> a good overview of the app.
> I will do more testing.
> /A
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>> 21 dec. 2020 kl. 21:40 skrev matthew dyer :
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Not sure if this is related, but I am having a problem where voice over 
>> gets stuck in the music app. Fore example, there are three buttons near 
>> the top of the window close, minize and fullscreen.  The wayI get around 
>> it is to restart the app.  If I use the tab key, i can get to some of 
>> the other items.  VO however does not let me vo past the fullscreen 
>> button.  Anyone else have this problem?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/21/20 1:08 PM, 'Larry Honaker' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Greetings All,
>>> 
>>> As several folks have reported, I have experienced the bug in Big Sur in 
>>> regards to invoking the menu on items in the dock. I am using a new M1 
>>> MacBookAir.
>>> 
>>> I have spent some time with Apple Support and they have provided a sort of 
>>> workaround for this issue. It certainly is  not as convenient as the 
>>> original VO+Shift+m; however, it works “most” of the time—and I emphasize , 
>>> “most” as the workaround does not always open the menu for me.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, here is the workaround and it is better than nothing until they get 
>>> the bug fixed.
>>> 
>>> 1. Go to the dock with VO+d
>>> 2. Navigate to the item you wish to work with
>>> 3. Press the key combination of VO+function+Command+5
>>>  (VO says the name of the app you are focused on in the dock)
>>> 4. Press VO+h+H
>>> 5. Type r I (no space between the r and i)
>>> 6. VO will say right mouse click; press return
>>> This usually opens up the menu where you can access options and other 
>>> choices usually displayed thru the VO+Shift+m menu.
>>> 
>>> Again, not perfect but it has worked fairly reliably for me so far.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps anyone else dealing with this issue.
>>> 
>>> Larry W. Honaker
>>> 
>>> kc8...@icloud.com
>>> 
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>>> (Psalm 119:105 KJV)
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Re: Big Sur first impressions

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OK, that’s a bit different using german voices.
But most annoying to me is that I’m not able to set sleep mode longer than 2 
minutes in Systempreferences > Battery. Actually I can set it longer but 
Systempreferences forget about it after closing it. Hopefully this is a bug and 
Apple will fix this.


> Am 21.12.2020 um 15:19 schrieb Steve Matzura :
> 
> Haven't had the won't-stop-speaking problem, although, M1 notwithstanding, 
> sometimes it's a bit slow to respond when CTRL is pressed, but I've never had 
> it fail to shut the thing up.
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2020 4:18 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>> Yes, and there are some more issues:
>> Try to add a keyboard shortcut to a menu using Systempreferences > Keyboard 
>> >Shortcuts. On my MacBook Air 2020 with M1 chip Mac OS after a while forgets 
>> all added shortcuts.
>> CTRL doesn’t work relaiably anymore to stop VO from speaking. At least in 
>> all german voices that’s the case. This issue existed in a light version 
>> before but now it’s unlasting.
>> 
>> Really a disappointing OS to me as well this time. Hopefully Apple will 
>> discontiniuing this way.
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 21.12.2020 um 01:25 schrieb Mike Arrigo :
>>> 
>>> I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm 
>>> thinking about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 
>>> 2008, I think this is the first time that I've considered going back to a 
>>> previous version of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major 
>>> issues.
>>> First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer 
>>> to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur 
>>> 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access 
>>> the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery 
>>> to erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install 
>>> drive I made and the install completed fine.
>>> I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. 
>>> Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which 
>>> would give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first 
>>> time although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in 
>>> dock, that action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context 
>>> menu for a dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or 
>>> right clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop.
>>> The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the 
>>> experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you 
>>> can't navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use 
>>> Voiceover's go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the 
>>> area that Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read 
>>> current line command does not work. This is the first time I've really been 
>>> disappointed with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely 
>>> I will be going back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple 
>>> days but if I can't make these things work better than that's what I'm 
>>> going to do.
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Re: Big Sur first impressions

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Yes, and there are some more issues:
Try to add a keyboard shortcut to a menu using Systempreferences > Keyboard 
>Shortcuts. On my MacBook Air 2020 with M1 chip Mac OS after a while forgets 
all added shortcuts.
CTRL doesn’t work relaiably anymore to stop VO from speaking. At least in all 
german voices that’s the case. This issue existed in a light version before but 
now it’s unlasting.

Really a disappointing OS to me as well this time. Hopefully Apple will 
discontiniuing this way.


> Am 21.12.2020 um 01:25 schrieb Mike Arrigo :
> 
> I decided to give Big Sur a try on one of my macs, and honestly, I'm thinking 
> about going back to Catalina. Since I became a Mac user back in 2008, I think 
> this is the first time that I've considered going back to a previous version 
> of Mac OS, but for me at least, there are some major issues.
> First, whenever I install a major upgrade of the operating system, I prefer 
> to erase my drive and install from scratch. With the recovery for Big Sur 
> 11.1 this is impossible, Voiceover completely crashes when trying to access 
> the table of disks in disk utility. So, I had to boot a Catalina recovery to 
> erase my drive. Once that was done I booted from the Big Sur install drive I 
> made and the install completed fine.
> I think there is a major issue with adding or removing items from the dock. 
> Previously you could move to an item and then press the up arrow which would 
> give you the menu for that item. In Big Sur, this works the first time 
> although when you select the option to remove from dock or keep in dock, that 
> action does not take place. After that, bringing up the context menu for a 
> dock item is impossible, pressing up arrow, using vo+shift+m or right 
> clicking the mouse on the item just returns you to the desktop.
> The next issue is with the new messages app, while it's useable, the 
> experience is cumbersome at best. Voiceover tends to get stuck and you can't 
> navigate left or right, you have to either use the tab key or use Voiceover's 
> go to beginning or go to end commands to try to get out of the area that 
> Voiceover is stuck in. Also, when writing a message, the read current line 
> command does not work. This is the first time I've really been disappointed 
> with an operating system upgrade, as I said, more than likely I will be going 
> back to Catalina, I may play with it for another couple days but if I can't 
> make these things work better than that's what I'm going to do.
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monitor sleep mode

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,

I’m using a new MacBook Air with M1 and Mac OS 11.1.

Do you experience the same issue as follows: In System Preferences Battery I 
can choose how long it should take the monitor to go to sleep mode. Standard 
time is 2 minutes. I’m able to change this but after leaving the System 
Preferences it’s automatically set back to 2 minutes. I consider this as 
annoying. 

Has anyone the same experience?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

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Another way to do this would be to use VO + Shift + c to copy the last spoken 
phrase to the clipboard.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 11.12.2020 um 03:10 schrieb Zoe Fiogkos :
> 
> Hi Brad, I will give it a try. I was hoping not to have to take this extra 
> step but if there is no other way, at least it can still be done.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> I would suggest opening the PDF document in Preview, as you have done, then 
>> highlighting the entire document using CMD + A, and copying the selected 
>> text to the clipboard.  Then open TextEdit, and paste the clipboard contents 
>> to a blank TextEdit document, and hopefully you will now have an editable 
>> copy of the PDF’s contents.
>> 
>> Let me know if this works. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
>> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know 
>> the answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
>> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
>> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole document 
>> and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does 
>> anybody know how to do this?
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Re: mac OS big sur: continued issue with localised voice taking over every second line

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Hi Yuma,

I experience similar issues using german voices. VoiceOver switches between 
voices randomly. But not all the time but sometimes. I’ve been watching the 
voice section in VoiceOver becomming increasingly buggy from OS to OS. 
Hopefully Apple will fix this quickly.

All the best
Jürgen

> Am 10.12.2020 um 13:07 schrieb Yuma Decaux :
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> So I am still having this random issue whenever I'm working which can only be 
> described as follows:
> prelimiary: voice over alex working fine
> 1-when scrolling down text edit, every second line stops anouncing, though 
> the line is full of tex
> 2-alternatingly alex and empty voice as I keep scrolling
> Remedy 1: I toggle voice over on and off
> 3-This time when voice was empty, it's replaced by the local voice (in my 
> case Rachel australia,)
> 4-At this point, alternates for a few lines between alex and rachel using 
> alex's pitch
> 5-As I keep scrolling, alternates between alex and a normal pitch of rachel
> 6-I keep going on, and it becomes alex only
> 
> However, this occurs intermittently during the day, and I keep having to 
> toggle voice over on/off and do the same shenanigan.
> 
> I checked again in my voice over utility/speech/voices and all categories are 
> set to alex with every parameter the same across all the columns.
> 
> Anyone have this issue persisting?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Yuma
> 
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Re: Voices on Bigsur

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Yes I have. I sent them a screen video. Of course I received the typical 
answer. But at least I received one and I hope they’ll fix it. 

Jürgen


> Am 29.11.2020 um 18:15 schrieb 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> :
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> I hope you’ve reported the voice problems on Big Sur.  This side of 
> accessibility has been troubled since Sierra for those of us who use 
> multilingual support.  
> 
> Andrew
>> On 29 Nov 2020, at 17:05, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Paul,
>> 
>> in my experience on a german MacBook Air with an M1 chip,
>> voices section in VoiceOver became pretty buggy. I experienced switching 
>> voices in the beginning and I still experience 2 issues:
>> 1. Control doesn’t really stops the voice from speaking. It just stops one 
>> block of text but starts reading again without me doing anything.
>> 2. The german Siri voices for VoiceOver speak quite sluggish and it doesn’t 
>> matter if I increase or decrease speed rate in VO settings. 
>> 
>> Both issues are very annoiing. Let’s hope Apple will fix this rather sooner 
>> than later.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 28.11.2020 um 18:56 schrieb Paul Hopewell :
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am running Bigsur on my iMac. For reasons I do not understand VoiceOver 
>>> keeps switching voices between my preferred voice (InfoVox iVox Racheal) 
>>> and Daniel. There seems to be the concept of “default system voice” which 
>>> seems to be Daniel and my chosen voice Racheal. How can I use VoiceOver 
>>> utility to set up Racheal so that it is the only voice to be used when 
>>> speaking English UK? The switching between voices seems to happen most in 
>>> Safari.
>>> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Voices on Bigsur

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Hi Paul,

in my experience on a german MacBook Air with an M1 chip,
voices section in VoiceOver became pretty buggy. I experienced switching voices 
in the beginning and I still experience 2 issues:
1. Control doesn’t really stops the voice from speaking. It just stops one 
block of text but starts reading again without me doing anything.
2. The german Siri voices for VoiceOver speak quite sluggish and it doesn’t 
matter if I increase or decrease speed rate in VO settings. 

Both issues are very annoiing. Let’s hope Apple will fix this rather sooner 
than later.

All the best
Jürgen




> Am 28.11.2020 um 18:56 schrieb Paul Hopewell :
> 
> Hello,
> I am running Bigsur on my iMac. For reasons I do not understand VoiceOver 
> keeps switching voices between my preferred voice (InfoVox iVox Racheal) and 
> Daniel. There seems to be the concept of “default system voice” which seems 
> to be Daniel and my chosen voice Racheal. How can I use VoiceOver utility to 
> set up Racheal so that it is the only voice to be used when speaking English 
> UK? The switching between voices seems to happen most in Safari.
> Many thanks for any tips … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Warning before migrating to big Sur

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Yes, use the speech rotor by pressing VO CMD Shift Arrow keys. If you set VO to 
Voice it should be fairly easy to press the key combination and Arrow down.
All the best
Jürgen


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 13.11.2020 um 18:03 schrieb Hopewell :
> 
> hello,
> Before you migrate to big Sur set your voices to one of the Apple voices. My 
> default voice in Catalina was an in for vox I vox voice Rachel. This did not 
> work on Big Sur and I required sighted help to set my voice-over voice to 
> Daniel compact before I could use big Sur.
> Is there any way to set the voice-over voice without using the voice over 
> utility with sighted help.
> Best regards… Paul Hopewell
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