what i paid for what i'm riding has *zero* bearing on what my skin is
worth to me; i'll bleed just as much falling off of a $600 motorcycle as
off of a $16K motorcycle.
when people ask me what it costs to get into motorcycling, i find that
most are surprised when my first response is direc
do you find it necessary to bleed before you believe that you *will*
bleed?
personally, i ride ATGATT (All The Gear All The Time) because i grew up
riding dirt bikes that way and saw how much good it does when (not *if*)
you come off... (and i've seen firsthand that it doesn't always have
However, police M-Bs are probably still a ways off. Although I seem to
recall reading that back when BMW built its first American plant in South
Carolina, many locals were upset about the furriners moving in, until
management offered to outfit the constabulary gratis with a fleet of M5s.
Alex Ch
driving a new Mercedes is becoming more popular
here, as it has been other places for a long time. I mean, as in
commonplace.
Yeah, it's no big deal to se an SL500 driving around the Portland area.
It's not so for a 300TD though. We spotted a beautiful "buttercup" yellow
W123 300TD turbo diese
On 5/19/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We have them in Intrepids, Pick-ups, SUVs, Camaros, Malibus, I've
even seen a few in Saturns. All unmarked.
I saw a really clever pick-up rig once. The light bar was on a frame
that normally laid flat in the bed, out of si
Shoot. That means they eventually will here too. All trends seem to
eventually reach the "heartland".
As I mentioned a while ago, driving a new Mercedes is becoming more popular
here, as it has been other places for a long time. I mean, as in
commonplace.
Brian
On 5/19/06, John Berryman <[EMAI
On May 19, 2006, at 3:43 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:
How about a cop in a Buick for example? I wouldn't even be inclined to
wonder if it was cop/citizen. Don't ge me wrong, I'm glad they don't.
Brian
We have them in Intrepids, Pick-ups, SUVs, Camaros, Malibus, I've
even seen a few in Saturn
ltan Finks
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I'm not usually on the wrong side of the law, but I gotta say it is
irritating when I'm unable to tell for a few minutes whether the Crown Vic
behind, or in front of me is a cop or not.
On
r RF
window water guard. Guess you could say I now have a happier a$$.
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Curt Raymond wrote:
>
I was thinking of something more like those metal leg braces some
people have to wear - I twisted my knee enough to keep me off it for
six weeks when my BMW went down on a one lane wooden bridge. The heavy
jeans didn't do much to keep the splinters (extra large size) out of
my legs, and did abrade
I'm not usually on the wrong side of the law, but I gotta say it is
irritating when I'm unable to tell for a few minutes whether the Crown Vic
behind, or in front of me is a cop or not.
On this topic, I wonder why police limit themselves to such predictable
vehicles. What's to keep them from usin
On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 10:35:20AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
> A couple weekends ago I saw *three* guys on crotch rockets pass me at
> about 70 mph, all doing wheelies. They kept this up for about a mile.
I had a highway patrolman do that on the san francisco-oakland bay bridge
a couple of
Curt Raymond wrote:
One time I was following a kid on a Ninja down the highway (in my 240D no
less). He was in a tee shirt, shorts and flip flops. He decided he was going to
practice wheelies at 65mph.
A couple weekends ago I saw *three* guys on crotch rockets pass me at
about 70 mph, all
Levi Smith wrote:
Well, if it's warm out, I'm quite possibly in shorts and a t-shirt.
I didn't spend all the money for "real" protection with some sort of armour
in it, so in my mind, if the bike goes down, I'm doubting that pair of jeans
are going to make a whole heck of a lot of difference. Ma
Is it true what they say: If a guy falls with his legs crossed, he ain't
gettin back up?
I saw a guy lose it on a mountain road once, and this is the position he
wound up in - legs kind of "indian style".
I first heard the saying when reading a book on gun laws and issues.
Brian
Curt wrote:
Th
I've thought about all this back in my riding years (makes me sound old
don't it?), and I often wished that someone could come up with technology
that would prevent bone breakage, and intrusion into the body, and
concussion. Some sort of "super material" that didn't allow limbs or torso
to bend be
w he doesn't pull wheelies and he's a regional
sales rep for one of the kevlar coat makers...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:42:16 -0400
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> On May 18, 2006, at 9:21 AM, lee wrote:
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>>> And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement?
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On May 18, 2006, at 9:21 AM, lee wrote:
And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement?
Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embed
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Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embedded in my hand after 30+
years.
On Thursday 18 May 2006 6:34, John Berryman wrote:
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That sums it up in a nutshell.
Mike
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Well, if it's warm out, I'm quite possibly in shorts and a t-shirt.
I didn't spend all the money for "real" protection with some sort of armour
it every bit as much
(especially if it rains).
Randy B
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> And you have the road rash scars to back-up this stat
: [MBZ] The wave
> And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement?
Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embedded in my hand after 30+ years.
On Thursday 18 May 2006 6:34, John Berryman wrote:
> On May 17, 2006, at 10:05 AM, lee wrote:
> > There are only two kinds of
>
I've been riding Harleys for 33 years. I don't get into pissing
contests with anyone over anything. If I see someone riding any bike
I think "kewl, they're getting the wind in their face and having a
good time".
I also drive Mercedes Benz cars and use Apple Computers. There are
good reasons
On May 18, 2006, at 9:21 AM, lee wrote:
And you have the road rash scars to back-up this statement?
Including a bit of Phoenix ashpalt still embedded in my hand after
30+ years.
For my own sake, I certainly hope you're wrong. I've ridden so many
miles for so many years that it would se
On May 17, 2006, at 10:05 AM, lee wrote:
There are only two kinds of
biker, those who have parted ways with their bike at speed, and
those who
eventually will if they keep riding. It is an enlightening
experience if you
survive it.
Lee
And you have the road rash scars to back-up
On May 17, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
While I guess the basic premise there will tend to be correct in
more urban areas maybe in places with a large blue collar
population I think you'll find nearly as many drunks falling off
Harleys and going splat with no helmet or with just
That sums it up in a nutshell.
Mike
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As a long time Bee
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The Kawi does look somewhat like a small Sportster
http://flmltuweb1.business.latrobe.edu.au/faculty/sinman/ltd_vs_corvette.htm
I expect the guy wasn't a real Harley g
-Curt
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 14:05:23 -0700
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Tell us more Did you write it up for BMW(MOA) news?
At 04:11 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote:
I
spent February on a rented Beemer in Western Australia and had one of the
best rides yet--for me, the risk is worth the experience.
You had more sophisticated advisors than did I--I was simply
advised that "there's two kinds of bikers, them that's been down, and them
that's goin'". Forty three years later, I'm still riding, but more
cautiously every year, and have yet to become the second kind of biker. I
sp
SO...what is the bike riding season in Maine? About 3 weeks? (har de har
har)
Bob Rentfro
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Been riding for years (24 of them actually) and have ridden with every
type
of rider there is from dual sport/motards to Rice rockets that went way
too
fast to Harley's , Beezers
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Around here the fatalities are mostly inexperienced riders on a new
harley (used to have more money than brains, Now they have neither)
At 05:19 AM 5/17/2006, you wrote:
There is a reason Harley riders don&
r for the local rag.
Hendrik
no riding for a long time now.still wondering how I managed to
survive
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I've known Harley riders not to wave at Jap bike riders (but other,
more congenial Harley riders do - even to crotch rockets!).
Ah. Interesting insight, Bruce.
Interesting subject to me. I've seen school bus drivers wave to city bus
drivers. I've known Harley riders not to wave at Jap bike riders (but other,
more congenial Harley riders do - even to crotch rockets!).
I can say that I often wave to other fellow commuters
Zoltan,
Back in the 50s and 60s in when I was a youngster riding in my parents 219
and 250S, the standard Mercedes greeting in the U.S. was to give a couple beeps
of the horn on the infrequent occasion when another Mercedes was sighted. The
quaint custom died after the cars became more c
BillR wrote:
Thanks - I have slept since then and was hoping my memory was not that bad.
Sounds like they did so poorly with the first year car here [though it was
in use in Europe before then] they decided not to try the second time. I
still think it was a nice car to drive as long as you were
responsible for repairing the flaws.
BillR
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BillR wrote:
> Just after I got
BillR wrote:
Just after I got my 'first year' Focus [which gave me 50 wonderful trouble
free miles prior to the first breakdown] I chatted with a guy in London that
had one that certainly looked identical to mine, though the wheel was on the
right side, of course. What was different about it - ot
viced from underneath
and did not need a "hood" to open
over the engine.
Randy B
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Got to r
No No No, you got the wrong angle on this. I was reffering to making
modifications to a Benz such as clear indicator lenses and how this is
a
clear sign that you are a fan of the brand rather than someone who
wants to
impress the neighbours with a star on the hood/bonnet.
Nobody ever waved at
Brian wrote:
"Ooohh. That sorta stings - the comment about wanna being a snob who
can't afford a modern Benz. Nothing could be farther from the truth!! I
do not want a modern Benz."
Well, I guess I am the exception, because I DO want a modern Benz, but
only if it was as reliable as tho
spirit all year roundHo Ho Ho
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> I found when I put clear turn indicator lenses on my 123 I got a
> few waves
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I found when I put clear turn indicator lenses on my 123 I got a
few waves
from other MB "enthusiasts" also with clear indicators. Sort of
says I love
my MB and have gone to the trouble of "moding", ra
er if
you have access to a hoist.
Randy B
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I found when I put clear turn indicator lenses on my 123 I
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.
There's a college coed with a silver 240D that lives in the house across
the
golf course fairway from me that I wave to, but I suspect she
uot;moding", rather than I am a wanna
be
snob who can't afford a modern Benz.
Hendrik
without clear indicators thanks to the missus
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BillR wrote:
> No argument about that. I believe there were 5 recalls. Other than
> that
> ;=) it really was a nice car. I was driving about 40 - 50k a year
> then and really apprecia
ad car name. Cool car though.
I'm led to believe the Focus is a European design.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:43:05 -0500
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the problem is that 124s loo
Come to think of it, my friend has a Focus, and he had major brake issues
with it. Something like the calipers and rotors had to be replaced at least
once.
The rest of the thing seems to be holding up though. He could work for Ford
as a tester - the way he tries to catch air on the long roads wit
BillR wrote:
No argument about that. I believe there were 5 recalls. Other than that
;=) it really was a nice car. I was driving about 40 - 50k a year then and
really appreciated the head room and the ride.
I had an '00 Focus with the Sony Xplod stereo package. Nice car, except I'd go
thr
Jeff Zedic
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Well for one thing it wasn't built in the US! Was probably built in Germany
or the UK. Europeans won't stand for the shoddy build quality that we get
here. Tal
Well for one thing it wasn't built in the US! Was probably built in
Germany or the UK. Europeans won't stand for the shoddy build quality
that we get here. Talking about assembly issues not design flaws.
I remember driving my first UK Ford which was a Cortina in green. I was
amazed at how well
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Loren Faeth wrote:
> I thought focus was made by mazda in mexico.
Just to keep things complicated, the car sold as the Focus in Europe is NOT
the same car sold as the Foc
Loren Faeth wrote:
I thought focus was made by mazda in mexico.
Just to keep things complicated, the car sold as the Focus in Europe is
NOT the same car sold as the Focus in the U.S.
a European design.
-Curt
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The Probe, IIRC, was engineered by Mazda and to my mind wins an award for a bad
car name. Cool car though.
I'm led to believe the Focus is a European design.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:43:05 -0500
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T
I doubt it-I think my 124 is butt ugly compared to my 123. Ugly as in
looks like a Honda- No flame.
Sedans, I agree. But the 124 wagon is another thing entirely.
-- Jim
I doubt it-I think my 124 is butt ugly compared to my 123. Ugly as in
looks like a Honda- No flame. Sunil is right to put it more
moderately-looks modern while the 123 looks classic. IMHO.
Dwight
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Qua
Lo there, Loren!
I've gotten waves and always waved back. It's usually the 126's and 123
drivers glad to see another one of our vintage still cruising around and
looking beautiful. Sometimes the head nod is the wave, other times it's the
single finger. Sometimes it's all fingers, barely lifted
The reason that the 124 looks like most modern cars is that every asian car
built in the past 15-18 years I can think of has essential body style
features copied from the 124 or the 140. The exception is the miata and
its knock-offs. Many "American" cars follow the same pattern of following
BZZTTT, quit it with the too young crap. She thinks you're a
crazy old man
~ She's too young to appreciate a
~classic...car, that is...
~
~Royce Engler
~
~1985 300TD Turbo 285K
~
~
--
Luther KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,222 kmi)
'82 300D (
I doubt it-I think my 124 is butt ugly compared to my 123. Ugly as in
looks like a Honda- No flame. Sunil is right to put it more
moderately-looks modern while the 123 looks classic. IMHO.
Dwight
Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Qua
the problem is that 124s look like modern cars. 123s and earlier have
ceased to look modern, with all the chrome and sealed beam headlights and
... you know.
Will the 124 ever be considered special in the eyes of the general public?
On 5/4/06, Bob Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"124 owne
Before the days of tinted glass and Nafta, everyone driving a truck, even a
pickup in the central part of the continent waved at least a
bit. Sometimes just raising the first finger off the wheel. (#1) With
clear glass, I can see the other driver's eyes, and get a better read on
their intent
Brian said...
As I drove home today I had a 190E coming the other way on the 2-way highway
I travel. The thought occurred to me: The other types of vehicles that I
have been into in my life have been sort of specialized, and as such, when
you happen upon another one, you give a nod or a quick frie
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I wave at 123 benzes and earlier. 124 owners usually have no idea that
what they have is special.
On 5/4/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As I drove
What about
semi-truck drivers? Probably too many of them on the road to do that.
My brother the semi-driver doesn't wave. If he ever saw another 1942
International K-7 stake truck (his other ride), he would wave for
sure.
I wave at other vanagon Westfalia drivers, and they always wave back
I wave at 123 benzes and earlier. 124 owners usually have no idea that what
they have is special.
On 5/4/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As I drove home today I had a 190E coming the other way on the 2-way
highway
I travel. The thought occurred to me: The other types of vehicles th
As I drove home today I had a 190E coming the other way on the 2-way highway
I travel. The thought occurred to me: The other types of vehicles that I
have been into in my life have been sort of specialized, and as such, when
you happen upon another one, you give a nod or a quick friendly gesture (
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