Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced.  I already 
ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. I 
would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping out on 
them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been replaced at 
this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 I’ll be able to 
live with myself when they drive the car away.

It’s funny, because a couple of weeks ago when the youngest son was driving it 
he was complaining about a misfire.  Try as we might, it wouldn’t throw a code, 
preliminary or permanent.  Then, after a week of driving, it stopped.  I wasn’t 
going to start throwing parts at it, so it’s good that it finally died now so 
at least I could address the issue.

I’m driving the car to work today to run it through it’s paces thoroughly.  
Then I’ll feel comfortable about selling it.

Dan


> On Jun 16, 2015, at 10:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Given the situation, I would have taken the buyer to FLAPS, showed him how to 
> replace a coil, and told him to come back if that didn't fix it.
> I suspect once they start going, he'll be replacing one or two a year for the 
> next 3-5 years.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Can’t help it, man.  It’s the way I was brought up.

That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give up 
your integrity, you’ve got nothing.

Dan

> On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I want to buy something from Dan - anything.  Even if I don't need/want it.
> 


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[MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg



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[MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3117977/World-s-plug-plane-takes-Bright-sparks-Airbus-unveil-electric-two-seater-E-Fan-aircraft-Paris-Air-s-nearly-silent-flight.html



Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan writes:

‎>That’s what happens when you >grow up in a family of bankers. >Once you give 
up your integrity, >you’ve got nothing.

Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to 
today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had 
fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years. 

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good point. Good Midwestern ethics, maybe?

I can assure you that if I visit my Dad's grave I'll hear him spinning at a 
high rate of speed, for sure. I have no doubt he would be aghast at the things 
that go on in the banking industry today.

Dan

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> On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:22 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan writes:
> 
> ‎>That’s what happens when you >grow up in a family of bankers. >Once you 
> give up your integrity, >you’ve got nothing.
> 
> Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to 
> today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had 
> fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years. 
> 
> http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html
> 
> http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/
> 
> Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3117977/World-s-plug-plane-takes-Bright-sparks-Airbus-unveil-electric-two-seater-E-Fan-aircraft-Paris-Air-s-nearly-silent-flight.html


Electric has been replacing methanol in model planes over the last 20 years or 
so, mainly because Lithium batteries have become cheaper than methanol and 
nitromethane and high efficiency brushless electric motors are becoming cheaper 
while glow engines are getting more expensive.


I assume the Airbus is ducted fan because it's more efficient than propellers? 
It's surprising to me because you don't often see DF in models unless it's a 
scale model of a jet plane.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced.  I already 
ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. I 
would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping out on 
them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been replaced at 
this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 I’ll be able to 
live with myself when they drive the car away.


Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon.

With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, 
because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked 
Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the way 
home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. At that 
point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. All 4 of the 
starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a couple of Diften 
coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They were less than $30 
each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd have a spare. So far, the 
Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They look just like the other 
replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the coils without brand markings 
on them come from the same place, and I wonder if it's URO. I'm pretty confident 
none of them came from the local MBZ dealer.


Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a 
stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out.
A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken in 
at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 
Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers on 
it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Since I bought the coils on separate orders, they were under $100. I used the 
promo code TRT30 and got 30% off, knocking the price down to $47 and change.

Advance has coils for the Mazda as cheap as $30, but they don't stock them. 
While I would have rather gone that route, I couldn't wait.

I have an Advance Auto store 4 miles from the house that is a regional "mini 
warehouse", as it's a former CVS store with a mezzanine. They stock a huge 
inventory and pretty much have anything and everything that's available from a 
store. Very convenient.

Dan

> On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced.  I already 
>> ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. 
>> I would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping 
>> out on them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been 
>> replaced at this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 
>> I’ll be able to live with myself when they drive the car away.
> 
> Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon.
> 
> With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, 
> because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked 
> Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the 
> way home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. 
> At that point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. 
> All 4 of the starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a 
> couple of Diften coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They 
> were less than $30 each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd 
> have a spare. So far, the Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They 
> look just like the other replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the 
> coils without brand markings on them come from the same place, and I wonder 
> if it's URO. I'm pretty confident none of them came from the local MBZ dealer.
> 
> Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a 
> stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out.
> A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken 
> in at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 
> Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers 
> on it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Based on my experience with the Mazda, I have to believe the COPs have a finite 
life, and when one starts to go the rest aren't far behind.

Dan

> On Jun 17, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Last night’s coil was number five of six that have been replaced.  I already 
>> ordered number six and I’m picking it up on the way home from work tonight. 
>> I would rather spend the $47 for another coil than worry about it crapping 
>> out on them a couple weeks from now. At least then I know they’ve all been 
>> replaced at this point, as each one is a ticking time bomb. For under $100 
>> I’ll be able to live with myself when they drive the car away.
> 
> Now there's a use for an Advance Auto Parts $40 off on $100 coupon.
> 
> With my S420, it had a bad #8 coil. I bought it an ordered a $50 Beck-Arnley, 
> because it came with the boot and was cheaper than Bosch. Got an unmarked 
> Chinese coil, but it worked. Car started misfiring within five miles on the 
> way home. Computer said #4 coil. Swapped #4 with #3, computer said #3 coil. 
> At that point, the car had 4 Bosch/Mercedes coils in it and four no-names. 
> All 4 of the starmarked coils were made the 14th week of 1997. I bought a 
> couple of Diften coils with boots from two different Amazon sellers. They 
> were less than $30 each, I'd install whichever one got here first and I'd 
> have a spare. So far, the Beck Arnley and the Diften are working fine. They 
> look just like the other replacement coils on the car. I wonder if all the 
> coils without brand markings on them come from the same place, and I wonder 
> if it's URO. I'm pretty confident none of them came from the local MBZ dealer.
> 
> Sure, I believe the seller, the car was dealer serviced and the seller had a 
> stack of dealer receipts before his wife threw them out.
> A car practically resting on the bump stops, with both front springs broken 
> in at least two places each. A car with three noname coils, 7 Champion and 1 
> Autolite spark plug in it. At least I can be glad it had four factory wipers 
> on it, but the passenger side windshield wiper had to be over five years old.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So your entire family is Trans-German now?

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Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

"Buy my junk"

--R



On 6/16/15 11:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Not mine and not '87 or '88 W123.More like '83 '84

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:48:14 +




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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

What difference, at this point, does it make?

--R



On 6/17/15 7:09 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Good point. Good Midwestern ethics, maybe?

I can assure you that if I visit my Dad's grave I'll hear him spinning at a 
high rate of speed, for sure. I have no doubt he would be aghast at the things 
that go on in the banking industry today.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Jun 17, 2015, at 6:22 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

Dan writes:

‎>That’s what happens when you >grow up in a family of bankers. >Once you give up 
your integrity, >you’ve got nothing.

Perhaps that was true of the bankers of yore. I don't think it applies to 
today's bankers, at the uppermost levels. Maybe that's why so many have had 
fatal accidents, and committed suicide in the last several years.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/who_is_killing_the_great_bankers_of_europe.html

http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/04/suspicious-deaths-of-bankers-are-now-classified-as-“trade-secrets”-by-federal-regulator/

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep.  Amen.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster



Can’t help it, man.  It’s the way I was brought up.

That’s what happens when you grow up in a family of bankers. Once you give 
up your integrity, you’ve got nothing.


Dan

On Jun 16, 2015, at 11:42 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I want to buy something from Dan - anything.  Even if I don't need/want 
it.





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Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I wouldn't touch his junk.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel



"Buy my junk"

--R



On 6/16/15 11:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Not mine and not '87 or '88 W123.More like '83 '84

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

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Subject: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:48:14 +




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Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I love the little dangling power cord...

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:47 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show.
>
> http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

All they need is a solar PV charging station...

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3117977/World-s-plug-plane-takes-Bright-sparks-Airbus-unveil-electric-two-seater-E-Fan-aircraft-Paris-Air-s-nearly-silent-flight.html
>>
>
> Electric has been replacing methanol in model planes over the last 20
> years or so, mainly because Lithium batteries have become cheaper than
> methanol and nitromethane and high efficiency brushless electric motors are
> becoming cheaper while glow engines are getting more expensive.
>
> I assume the Airbus is ducted fan because it's more efficient than
> propellers? It's surprising to me because you don't often see DF in models
> unless it's a scale model of a jet plane.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I've often wondered when that particularly annoying anti-euphemism ("junk")
first came into use, and which cretin christened it. Any scholars out there
who can come up with an answer?

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:

> I wouldn't touch his junk.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: 
> Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
>
>
>
>  "Buy my junk"
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/16/15 11:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Not mine and not '87 or '88 W123.More like '83 '84
>>>
>>> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>>>
>>> From: ro...@craigslist.org
>>> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
>>> Subject: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:48:14 +
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
>>> http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5075317850.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

"I wouldn't touch his junk.

 Wilton."
Neither would I, of either kind!

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Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Does it dangle with dignity?

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:40:21 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> 
> I love the little dangling power cord...
> 
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:47 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show.
> >
> > http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg
  
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Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not really.  Looks like an imperfect severing of an umbelical cord (a very
long "outie").

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Does it dangle with dignity?
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:40:21 -0400
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> >
> > I love the little dangling power cord...
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 5:47 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Airbus electric plane in flight at the Paris Air Show.
> > >
> > >
> http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03343/potd-plane_3343911k.jpg
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[MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.Is there a W124 CD manual for windows 7, or is it possible to get the old 
manual to run with Win7? If so, how?The tachometer on my '87 300TD is acting 
strangely. coming down to a stop the tach will go to zero and back causing the 
engine to surge and the car to lurch ahead slightly.Raising the idle to 900+ 
stops the surge. My thought is that the flywheel sensor is dying. What think 
'e?Fred.Desperately in need of enlightenment

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Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew, et alia.The thing that gave birth to that must be a sight to see.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:57:40 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> 
> Not really.  Looks like an imperfect severing of an umbelical cord (a very
> long "outie").
> 
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does it dangle with dignity?
> >
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Cluster

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

True.

He's dead, Jim.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What difference, at this point, does it make?
> 
> --R
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - -
according to the Telegraph: "The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the
world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show."

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_YuneecE430_ElectricAirplane_FirstFlight_200617-1.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0


On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All they need is a solar PV charging station...
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>


-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Win 7 is no issue, you just need to get Steve Nervig's web front-end for
the CD's, follow the directions to copy the CD's to appropriate place on
your HD and then create a shortcut in Firefox that points to Steve's
menu-launch hyperlink.

Downloads and more info here:

http://www.mercedeslist.com/serviceindex.html

Could be OVP relay getting flaky, or the electronic idle control solenoid
(ELR) on the back of the injection pump, or engine harness wiring is
detiorating.  There is a two-pin connect to the ELR which is hanging on the
back-end of the IP, try pulling that off to see if that clears the
symptoms.  That should cause your idle speed to drop to the mechanical
adjustment, which is supposed to be set around 550 RPM.  You can manually
increase that to whatever you like.  My idle used to be really rough, I
pulled off that ELR connector and adjusted the idle speed up to about 750
and ten years later that fix is still working fine for me.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Alles.Is there a W124 CD manual for windows 7, or is it possible to get
> the old manual to run with Win7? If so, how?The tachometer on my '87 300TD
> is acting strangely. coming down to a stop the tach will go to zero and
> back causing the engine to surge and the car to lurch ahead
> slightly.Raising the idle to 900+ stops the surge. My thought is that the
> flywheel sensor is dying. What think 'e?Fred.Desperately in need of
> enlightenment
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.Thanks for the link and info.I had considered the mechanical stop and 
deleting the idle circuit, though I'd prefer to fix it as originally designed, 
but that would still give me an erratic tacho.Onward and upward!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:02:04 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
> 
> Win 7 is no issue, you just need to get Steve Nervig's web front-end for
> the CD's, follow the directions to copy the CD's to appropriate place on
> your HD and then create a shortcut in Firefox that points to Steve's
> menu-launch hyperlink.
> 
> Downloads and more info here:
> 
> http://www.mercedeslist.com/serviceindex.html
> 
> Could be OVP relay getting flaky, or the electronic idle control solenoid
> (ELR) on the back of the injection pump, or engine harness wiring is
> detiorating.  There is a two-pin connect to the ELR which is hanging on the
> back-end of the IP, try pulling that off to see if that clears the
> symptoms.  That should cause your idle speed to drop to the mechanical
> adjustment, which is supposed to be set around 550 RPM.  You can manually
> increase that to whatever you like.  My idle used to be really rough, I
> pulled off that ELR connector and adjusted the idle speed up to about 750
> and ten years later that fix is still working fine for me.
> 
> -
> Max
  
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Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Rodan 2.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew, et alia.The thing that gave birth to that must be a sight to see.
>
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:57:40 -0400
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Airbus Electric Plane
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> >
> > Not really.  Looks like an imperfect severing of an umbelical cord (a
> very
> > long "outie").
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Does it dangle with dignity?
> > >
> > > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I am troubled by the ongoing fantasy that an array of solar panels on the
wings would recharge and power the airplane. Or an electric car.

That fantasy seems to be driven by a direct disconnect from reality, which
in turn, seems driven by the belief that all electricity comes out of a
grid socket and is instantly available and instantly transfers full charge
to the battery bank.

It simply does not work that way. PV panels absorb energy from the sun,
then produce electricity at a relativly low conversion rate [even the
highest tech panels yield only about 16% ]...

Sorry to rain you your private parade. The reality gap between dream and
production is a wide one, on the same scale as the ancient alchemist who
believed there was a simple formula to convert lead to gold..
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:29 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - -
> according to the Telegraph: "The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the
> world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show."
>
>
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_YuneecE430_ElectricAirplane_FirstFlight_200617-1.html
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > All they need is a solar PV charging station...
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Amen.

People still trying to get something for/from nothing (or more out of it 
than goes into it).  Physics is still physics, and it'll work EVERY time.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "G Mann via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane



I am troubled by the ongoing fantasy that an array of solar panels on the
wings would recharge and power the airplane. Or an electric car.

That fantasy seems to be driven by a direct disconnect from reality, which
in turn, seems driven by the belief that all electricity comes out of a
grid socket and is instantly available and instantly transfers full charge
to the battery bank.

It simply does not work that way. PV panels absorb energy from the sun,
then produce electricity at a relativly low conversion rate [even the
highest tech panels yield only about 16% ]...

Sorry to rain you your private parade. The reality gap between dream and
production is a wide one, on the same scale as the ancient alchemist who
believed there was a simple formula to convert lead to gold..
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:29 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 


wrote:


It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - -
according to the Telegraph: "The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the
world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show."


http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_YuneecE430_ElectricAirplane_FirstFlight_200617-1.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0


On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All they need is a solar PV charging station...
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>


--
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of

our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few 
who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I beg to differ.  Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while
the manufacturing cost continues to decline.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:38 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Amen.
>
> People still trying to get something for/from nothing (or more out of it
> than goes into it).  Physics is still physics, and it'll work EVERY time.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "G Mann" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 1:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
>
>
>
>  I am troubled by the ongoing fantasy that an array of solar panels on the
>> wings would recharge and power the airplane. Or an electric car.
>>
>> That fantasy seems to be driven by a direct disconnect from reality, which
>> in turn, seems driven by the belief that all electricity comes out of a
>> grid socket and is instantly available and instantly transfers full charge
>> to the battery bank.
>>
>> It simply does not work that way. PV panels absorb energy from the sun,
>> then produce electricity at a relativly low conversion rate [even the
>> highest tech panels yield only about 16% ]...
>>
>> Sorry to rain you your private parade. The reality gap between dream and
>> production is a wide one, on the same scale as the ancient alchemist who
>> believed there was a simple formula to convert lead to gold..
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:29 AM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  It's certainly not the worlds first, Yuneec flew one in 2009 - - -
>>> according to the Telegraph: "The aircraft manufacturer has unveiled the
>>> world's first plug-in plane at the Paris Air Show."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_YuneecE430_ElectricAirplane_FirstFlight_200617-1.html
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyyQ1BckK0
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > All they need is a solar PV charging station...
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> OK Don
>>>
>>> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>>>
>>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
>>> of
>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>>
>>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>>> who
>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>> for themselves."
>>>
>>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Believing that CO2 is a greenhouse gas REQUIRES one to not believe in
physics, so it is no surprise at all that AGW believers also think that
solar is a viable option for transportation.

http://www.kusi.com/story/19600263/why-man-made-global-warming-is-ridiculous
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:38 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Amen.
>
> People still trying to get something for/from nothing (or more out of it
> than goes into it).  Physics is still physics, and it'll work EVERY time.
>
> Wilton
>
> -
>
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
sunlight at sea level.  Now compare that to the amount of power required to
fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings
of the subject airplane.  A little simple math, fill in some reasonable
estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that
even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I beg to differ.  Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while
> the manufacturing cost continues to decline.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
> sunlight at sea level.  Now compare that to the amount of power required to
> fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings
> of the subject airplane.  A little simple math, fill in some reasonable
> estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that
> even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work...
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I beg to differ.  Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly
> while
> > the manufacturing cost continues to decline.
> >
> >
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[MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015

Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an
industry analyst.

"If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we
are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion
system," wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday.

The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an
Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A
lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused
Apple of poaching its employees.

Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company
pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal
to four months of the research and development of all the world's
automakers combined, Jonas said.

The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the
future of transportation in America.

"A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned," Jonas said. "A
fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24
hours a day" (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times*
,
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[G Mann via Mercedes]

And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is 

Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80
MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while

Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold and
you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment and
funding

Reality surely sucks, doesn't it..

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
> > sunlight at sea level.  Now compare that to the amount of power required
> to
> > fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings
> > of the subject airplane.  A little simple math, fill in some reasonable
> > estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that
> > even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work...
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I beg to differ.  Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly
> > while
> > > the manufacturing cost continues to decline.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or
can't.

The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5 meters, let's say we'll be able to fit
12 square meters of PV cells.

When it is summer and the sun is shining, and it is shining directly down
(local apparent noon), about 1000 watts per square meter reach the earth.

So the maximum amount of power available for the PV cells to absorb is
12,000 watts, under exactly the right conditions.

The subject plane has two engines, 30,000 watts each, so it requires 60,000
watts to fly.  100% efficient PV cells won't do it.  What is the current
state of the art, 35% efficient?

Solar won't get you there, unless you can violate the laws of physics.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
> sunlight at sea level.  Now compare that to the amount of power required to
> fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings
> of the subject airplane.  A little simple math, fill in some reasonable
> estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that
> even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work...
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I beg to differ.  Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly while
>> the manufacturing cost continues to decline.
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like the "pure solar plane" hasn't made it yet, can't seem to get the
weather to cooperate



-
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On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Reality is such a harsh mistress..



On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks like the "pure solar plane" hasn't made it yet, can't seem to get the
> weather to cooperate
>
>
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
> > What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Like I said, "Physics'll work EVERY time."  It's gotcha right by the 
"ying-yang," and not lightly - it's always squeezin'.


Wilton

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I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or
can't.

The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5 meters, let's say we'll be able to fit
12 square meters of PV cells.

When it is summer and the sun is shining, and it is shining directly down
(local apparent noon), about 1000 watts per square meter reach the earth.

So the maximum amount of power available for the PV cells to absorb is
12,000 watts, under exactly the right conditions.

The subject plane has two engines, 30,000 watts each, so it requires 
60,000

watts to fly.  100% efficient PV cells won't do it.  What is the current
state of the art, 35% efficient?

Solar won't get you there, unless you can violate the laws of physics.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon  
wrote:



Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
sunlight at sea level.  Now compare that to the amount of power required 
to

fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings
of the subject airplane.  A little simple math, fill in some reasonable
estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that
even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I beg to differ.  Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly 
while

the manufacturing cost continues to decline.





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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:04:35 -0400
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:

> What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/business/energy-environment/swiss-pilots-to-fly-solar-plane-around-world.html?_r=0
> 
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
> > sunlight at sea level.  Now compare that to the amount of power required to
> > fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings
> > of the subject airplane.  A little simple math, fill in some reasonable
> > estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that
> > even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work...
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I beg to differ.  Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly
> > while
> > > the manufacturing cost continues to decline.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Solar powered practical electric vehicle.. Fantasy.

Oil powered practical internal combustion vehicle ... Reality.

Any further questions?

Thanks you for sharing your fantasies with us Andrew ...
By all means.. follow your dreams.. some day, lead may become gold by the
principles of magic..

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:50 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:

> Like I said, "Physics'll work EVERY time."  It's gotcha right by the
> "ying-yang," and not lightly - it's always squeezin'.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane
>
>
>  I'm going to answer my own question, as I think Andrew either won't or
>> can't.
>>
>> The subject plane's wingspan is 9.5 meters, let's say we'll be able to fit
>> 12 square meters of PV cells.
>>
>> When it is summer and the sun is shining, and it is shining directly down
>> (local apparent noon), about 1000 watts per square meter reach the earth.
>>
>> So the maximum amount of power available for the PV cells to absorb is
>> 12,000 watts, under exactly the right conditions.
>>
>> The subject plane has two engines, 30,000 watts each, so it requires
>> 60,000
>> watts to fly.  100% efficient PV cells won't do it.  What is the current
>> state of the art, 35% efficient?
>>
>> Solar won't get you there, unless you can violate the laws of physics.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Meade Dillon 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Please tell us the amount of power (kilowatts) in a square meter of
>>> sunlight at sea level.  Now compare that to the amount of power required
>>> to
>>> fly an airplane, and the square meters of wing surface on the upper wings
>>> of the subject airplane.  A little simple math, fill in some reasonable
>>> estimates for missing information, and I think you will begin to see that
>>> even if solar panels reach 100% efficiency, they still won't work...
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  I beg to differ.  Solar panel efficiencies are climbing relentlessly
 while
 the manufacturing cost continues to decline.



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Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

They could just buy Tesla and have a turn-key operation with a lot of 
the heavy lifting done.  The autonomous stuff seems to be getting 
pervasive amongst a few companies so that is not a huge hurdle.


We are well on our way to having the mandate that all new vehicles will 
have hive algorithms so that no one goes faster than another, no one can 
do things outside of the parameters, and all will be subject to various 
tariffs, taxes, fees, and licensing and permits, as well as congestion 
pricing, mileage limitations and assignments, design types and styles, 
performance standards, and various other hugely effective social 
engineering goals -- cooperative "autonomy."  And no fun allowed!  And 
all this will be controlled by a huge new bureaucracy similar to that 
which has had great success, say, delivering medical care to veterans or 
"affordable care" to millions or collecting taxes efficiently and 
without corruption.  Of course "we" will have to "invest" $billions with 
the new companies that spring up, like Solyndra or the A123 battery 
companies that have gone bust despite these "investments."  Now "we" 
might have a few false starts, though the companies' "owners" will walk 
away with the $billions somehow (a good part of which will be reassigned 
to certain political committees), but overall it will be a great stimulus!


--R

On 6/17/15 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015

Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an
industry analyst.

"If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we
are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion
system," wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday.

The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an
Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A
lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused
Apple of poaching its employees.

Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company
pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal
to four months of the research and development of all the world's
automakers combined, Jonas said.

The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the
future of transportation in America.

"A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned," Jonas said. "A
fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24
hours a day" (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times*
,
June 16). *-- BTP*
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Actually, I am thinking that building more base-load nukes and having 
distributed batteries (including in charging cars at night) around so 
that more baseload plants can keep cranking at a steady efficient pace 
around the clock, then dumping that power back into the grid or your 
building/office/whatever during high demand or using it in a car, would 
make some sense, while also having chemical power in a hybrid mode.


--R



On 6/17/15 5:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Solar powered practical electric vehicle.. Fantasy.

Oil powered practical internal combustion vehicle ... Reality.

Any further questions?

Thanks you for sharing your fantasies with us Andrew ...
By all means.. follow your dreams.. some day, lead may become gold by the
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Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

>From old english, a word meaning an old, inferior rope.
Gerry

On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:47:59 -0400
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  wrote:

> I've often wondered when that particularly annoying anti-euphemism ("junk")
> first came into use, and which cretin christened it. Any scholars out there
> who can come up with an answer?
> 
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:41 AM, WILTON via Mercedes  > wrote:
> 
> > I wouldn't touch his junk.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: 
> > Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
> >
> >
> >
> >  "Buy my junk"
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/16/15 11:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> >>
> >>> Not mine and not '87 or '88 W123.More like '83 '84
> >>>
> >>> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> >>>
> >>> From: ro...@craigslist.org
> >>> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
> >>> Subject: 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
> >>> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 02:48:14 +
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> fred.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel
> >>> http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5075317850.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm with you on the nuke plants, not so much the electric cars.  Ridding the 
world of coal fired power plants would be a great thing, but there is so much 
oil and gas in the ground that internal combustion transportation will be very 
economical for decades and maybe centuries to come.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 17, 2015 5:30:42 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Actually, I am thinking that building more base-load nukes and having 
>distributed batteries (including in charging cars at night) around so 
>that more baseload plants can keep cranking at a steady efficient pace 
>around the clock, then dumping that power back into the grid or your 
>building/office/whatever during high demand or using it in a car, would
>
>make some sense, while also having chemical power in a hybrid mode.
>
>--R
>
>
>
>On 6/17/15 5:17 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>> Solar powered practical electric vehicle.. Fantasy.
>>
>> Oil powered practical internal combustion vehicle ... Reality.
>>
>> Any further questions?
>>
>> Thanks you for sharing your fantasies with us Andrew ...
>> By all means.. follow your dreams.. some day, lead may become gold by
>the
>> principles of magic..
>
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> I'm with you on the nuke plants, not so much the electric cars.

None of it works.
We will pollute ourselves in to oblivion.
Read the Pope Encyclical on pollution, greed.
Ain't a thing to be done.  Call it AGW or what have you - we either
retreat to stone age or die polluted.
Ain't that real fisiks?
...or, maybe it is christianity...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curly wrote:
> Oxidized Lapis blue?

Show me your midnight blue?
Is it the same W123 blue I drive?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[MG via Mercedes]

Agree with all you said except the 16% part. The newest Sunpower 
x-21 series panels have an efficiency of 21.5%. Still not much 
better but over the life of the panels could give up to 75% more 
power then the 16% units, according to the manufacturer.


Not really germane to what you were saying, but I did find it 
interesting when investigating for an upcoming 5000kw system 
purchase.


Manfred


Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:24:18 -0700
From: G Mann 

It simply does not work that way. PV panels absorb energy from 
the sun,

then produce electricity at a relativly low conversion rate [even the
highest tech panels yield only about 16% ]...

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[MBZ] 1995 E300D Idler arm bushing Change and suspension work

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

This weekend I will changing out the bushing on my steering idler arm. 
Reviewing the service manual, I thought that the bushing need to be installed 
in a certain orientation, because the bushing themselves have a red-band around 
one portion od the outer diameter. The instructions do not mention anything 
about orienting the bushing when I looked it over. Hopefully when I go to 
remove the old ones, I may see if the same marking is on the old ones.

I will also be changing center rod, right steering link, and the steering 
dampener. Lower ball joints and left steering were replaced ( 2 – 3 ) years ago.

Replacement is probably due, as the car now has 420,000 miles on it! 

Robert Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio
1995 E300 420Kmiles  
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[MBZ] Want a Couple of M103 Oil Filters?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

More finds from the garage cabinets.

I have two Mann W719/13 spin on filters, which I believe are for an M103 
engine.  Cover the postage and they’re yours.  Be sure to check fitment first, 
too.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

My view on the Pope's encyclical: he's just alienated a significant portion
of his "flock" by moving into the political / AGW-religion arena.  A few
years ago, many protestants were considering converting to Catholicism due
to the infiltration of leftists / wackos / LBGT movement that was totally
perverting many American churches.  Seemed like the catholics were going to
hold the line against all that nonsense, and were finally dealing with the
priests that assaulted/abused young boys, so maybe that would be a refuge
of sorts.  Now I fear many of those are quite disappointed in the new
direction this Pope has taken.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> None of it works.
> We will pollute ourselves in to oblivion.
> Read the Pope Encyclical on pollution, greed.
> Ain't a thing to be done.  Call it AGW or what have you - we either
> retreat to stone age or die polluted.
> Ain't that real fisiks?
> ...or, maybe it is christianity...
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D Idler arm bushing Change and suspension work

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Hey Robert, long time no post!

Good luck with that, I don't remember anything about the orientation when I
replaced those bushings on my '95.  I do remember that there is one or two
exhaust heat shields that you need to remove in order to get a good attack
angle for those bolts.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
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> This weekend I will changing out the bushing on my steering idler arm.
> Reviewing the service manual, I thought that the bushing need to be
> installed in a certain orientation, because the bushing themselves have a
> red-band around one portion od the outer diameter. The instructions do not
> mention anything about orienting the bushing when I looked it over.
> Hopefully when I go to remove the old ones, I may see if the same marking
> is on the old ones.
>
> I will also be changing center rod, right steering link, and the steering
> dampener. Lower ball joints and left steering were replaced ( 2 – 3 ) years
> ago.
>
> Replacement is probably due, as the car now has 420,000 miles on it!
>
> Robert Massmann
> Oregonia, Ohio
> 1995 E300 420Kmiles
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[MBZ] Reviving a Becker 1492 radio

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I had two Becker 1492's on the shelf, one from my '95 sedan that got wet
and died (long story), the other from a friend's '94 124 which suffered
from the flaky volume knob malfunction.

Using a torx #8 driver, I was able to quickly swap the faceplate from the
drowned radio onto the radio with the flaky knob.  Just tested in my '95
sedan, works like a champ.

Now I need to pull the junk Sony radio out of my wagon, fix all the radio
harness damage, install the 1492 and away I go...
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

investigating for an upcoming 5000kw system purchase.


5MW?  That's pretty big!

There's a lot to be said for a mobile fleet of accumulators.
If you use the accumulator to drive off, it's less likely that
the juice would have been needed where it was parked anyway.

Even if you don't go anywhere, your car is still working!

Wind and solar could charge, as available, with nukes (etc.) picking
up the slack.  The fleet handles the leveling chores, the fully
controllable plants handle the trends.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

so it requires 60,000 watts to fly.


Maybe to take off, but typical cruise power is more relevant to
how practical the system is.  I still bet it isn't good enough!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

is it possible to get the old manual to run with Win7?


Only the indexing is a problem.  The data is all PDF files.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years. 
Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's computer 
is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car.
Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015
> 
> Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an
> industry analyst.
> 
> "If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we
> are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion
> system," wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday.
> 
> The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an
> Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A
> lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused
> Apple of poaching its employees.
> 
> Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company
> pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal
> to four months of the research and development of all the world's
> automakers combined, Jonas said.
> 
> The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the
> future of transportation in America.
> 
> "A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned," Jonas said. "A
> fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24
> hours a day" (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times*
> ,
> June 16). *-- BTP*
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Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Andrew wrote:
> 
> "A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned,"
> Jonas said. "A fully autonomous car -- as in no steering
> wheel, no pedals -- can work 24 hours a day" 

Err.  Sure.  And a car that _does_ have a steering wheel and
pedals clearly can't work 24 hours a day or be shared.

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D Idler arm bushing Change and suspension work/becker radio

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

Max,

Thank you for the comment, just wanted make sure.

I have been thinking of pulling the radio in my 95 as I have lost the 
antenna command when the radio is turned on. Antenna function was just fine 
and then became intermittent. Pulled the antenna and is working just fine, 
but there is no out put from the radio.  Need to make the special removal 
tool to get the radio out. I may have to break down and install a manual 
switch or command the antenna up and leave it up.


Regards,

Bob Massmann
Robert Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio
1995 E300 420Kmiles

-Original Message- 
From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D Idler arm bushing Change and suspension work

Hey Robert, long time no post!

Good luck with that, I don't remember anything about the orientation when I
replaced those bushings on my '95.  I do remember that there is one or two
exhaust heat shields that you need to remove in order to get a good attack
angle for those bolts.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes < 



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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good
weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): "with a massive 263-foot
wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan
loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and more
than 2,000 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, the entire plane weighs
in at just over 5,000 pounds. This allows the 17.5 horsepower to push the
Solar Impulse 2 along at a maximum speed of… 35 MPH."

Now, there was a time when most people scoffed at the idea of a home
computer, and what would you do with one any way? A digital camera that
would fit inside a portable phone? Impossible, or at least not good enough
to use! Just because we can't see how it can be done now, doesn't mean that
it's not possible, just that we don't know how - yet.


On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is 
>
> Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80
> MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while
>
> Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold and
> you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment and
> funding
>
> Reality surely sucks, doesn't it..
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?
> >
>



-- 
OK Don

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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[OK Don via Mercedes]

More detail, if you're interested -

*General characteristics*

   - *Crew:* 1
   - *Length:* 22.4 m (73.5 ft)
   - *Wingspan :* 71.9 m (236 ft)
   - *Height:* 6.37 m (20.9 ft)
   - *Wing area:* 17,248 photovoltaic cells cover the top of the wings,
   fuselage and tailplane for a total area of 269.5 m2 (rated at 66 kW peak)
   - *Loaded weight:* 2,300 kg (5,100 lb)
   - *Powerplant :* 4 ×
   electric motors powered from solar cells and 4 x 41 kWh lithium-ion
   batteries (633 kg), providing 13 kW[20]
   ,
   electric motors (17.4 HP) each
   - *Propeller diameter:* 4 m (13.1 ft)
   - *Take-off speed:* 20 kts (36 km/h)

*Performance*

   - *Maximum speed
   :* 77 kts
   (140 km/h) 87 mph
   - *Cruise speed :* 49 kts (90
   km/h) (33 kts (60 km/h) at night to save power)
   - *Service ceiling
   :* 8,500 m (27,900
   ft) with a maximum altitude of 12,000 metres (39,000 ft)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Impulse

It was in Japan in the last report I read, still waiting for weather to
cooperate so they can fly to Hawaii .

OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It's the American dream to hand over all decision making and control of
your personal life to an overpowering control from the cradle to the grave.

Just as soon as we can breed out that pesky streak of independence and will
to live.

Have we been invaded by an alien life force? Where do these company
planners get such ideas?

Ohhh. .. never mind..
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  wrote:

> If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years.
> Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's
> computer is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car.
> Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015
> >
> > Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to
> an
> > industry analyst.
> >
> > "If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car,
> we
> > are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion
> > system," wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday.
> >
> > The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an
> > Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A
> > lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused
> > Apple of poaching its employees.
> >
> > Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology
> company
> > pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is
> equal
> > to four months of the research and development of all the world's
> > automakers combined, Jonas said.
> >
> > The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the
> > future of transportation in America.
> >
> > "A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned," Jonas said. "A
> > fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24
> > hours a day" (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times*
> > <
> http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-apple-electric-car-20150616-story.html
> >,
> > June 16). *-- BTP*
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> My view on the Pope's encyclical...

This is hard to figure.
Something afoot but hard to see what is happening regarding AGW, etc
and then too the LBGT stuff you mention also.
Tough times for religion and science...
Either way, pollution and our ways will not cease, so...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's the ultimate taxi. You won't own it, you'll just schedule a ride from
where you are to where you want to go and pay through the nose for the
convenience. A few rebellious souls will insist on owning their own cars,
and driving them themselves for the sheer joy of it, but will be filed or
sued massively when the collide with an autonomous car owned by Apple,
etc., regardless of who was at fault.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> It's the American dream to hand over all decision making and control of
> your personal life to an overpowering control from the cradle to the grave.
>
> Just as soon as we can breed out that pesky streak of independence and will
> to live.
>
> Have we been invaded by an alien life force? Where do these company
> planners get such ideas?
>
> Ohhh. .. never mind..
>



-- 
OK Don

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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Not 87 and 88 Mercedes Turbo Diesel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm guessing Horizon Blue.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Curly wrote:
> > Oxidized Lapis blue?
>
> Show me your midnight blue?
> Is it the same W123 blue I drive?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I raise no arguement with experimentation and exploration what so ever.

I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with
the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted
by public use.

It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but not yet.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good
> weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): "with a massive 263-foot
> wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan
> loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and more
> than 2,000 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, the entire plane weighs
> in at just over 5,000 pounds. This allows the 17.5 horsepower to push the
> Solar Impulse 2 along at a maximum speed of… 35 MPH."
>
> Now, there was a time when most people scoffed at the idea of a home
> computer, and what would you do with one any way? A digital camera that
> would fit inside a portable phone? Impossible, or at least not good enough
> to use! Just because we can't see how it can be done now, doesn't mean that
> it's not possible, just that we don't know how - yet.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is 
> >
> > Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80
> > MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while
> >
> > Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold
> and
> > you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment and
> > funding
> >
> > Reality surely sucks, doesn't it..
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we speak?
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
>
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Thanks, Jim.Max sent me a link for the Index.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 18:29:14 -0700
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MBZ Tetchnickel kweationz.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: jim.cathey...@gmail.com
> 
> > is it possible to get the old manual to run with Win7?
> 
> Only the indexing is a problem.  The data is all PDF files.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What's a good Catholic like Bush and Rubio - trapped by right wing
ideology- to do?  Squirm, I guess.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Max wrote:
> > My view on the Pope's encyclical...
>
> This is hard to figure.
> Something afoot but hard to see what is happening regarding AGW, etc
> and then too the LBGT stuff you mention also.
> Tough times for religion and science...
> Either way, pollution and our ways will not cease, so...
> mao
>
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off, saying
"they will never be able to compete with trains - that silly contraption
can only carry one or at most two men"

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> I raise no arguement with experimentation and exploration what so ever.
>
> I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with
> the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted
> by public use.
>
> It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but not yet.
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good
> > weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): "with a massive 263-foot
> > wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan
> > loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and
> more
> > than 2,000 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, the entire plane weighs
> > in at just over 5,000 pounds. This allows the 17.5 horsepower to push the
> > Solar Impulse 2 along at a maximum speed of… 35 MPH."
> >
> > Now, there was a time when most people scoffed at the idea of a home
> > computer, and what would you do with one any way? A digital camera that
> > would fit inside a portable phone? Impossible, or at least not good
> enough
> > to use! Just because we can't see how it can be done now, doesn't mean
> that
> > it's not possible, just that we don't know how - yet.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is
> 
> > >
> > > Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80
> > > MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while
> > >
> > > Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold
> > and
> > > you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment
> and
> > > funding
> > >
> > > Reality surely sucks, doesn't it..
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What about the pure solar plane flying around the globe - as we
> speak?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What most "religious" people do - ignore that parts that they don't want to
obey/believe.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What's a good Catholic like Bush and Rubio - trapped by right wing
> ideology- to do?  Squirm, I guess.
>



-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[OK Don via Mercedes]

On the other hand, there have been a LOT of "promising" technologies that
challenged existing physics, and lost. Cold fusion anyone?

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off, saying
> "they will never be able to compete with trains - that silly contraption
> can only carry one or at most two men"
>



-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The Wright brothers were not constrained by physics, they were liberated by 
physics. Their insights were a glimpse into a whole new world of physical 
reality., and they were among the first. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Jun 17, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift off, saying
"they will never be able to compete with trains - that silly contraption
can only carry one or at most two men"

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> I raise no arguement with experimentation and exploration what so ever.
> 
> I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with
> the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted
> by public use.
> 
> It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but not yet.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Solar Impulse 2 (stuck in China last I heard waiting for enough good
>> weather to cross the Pacific Ocean at 35 mph): "with a massive 263-foot
>> wingspan, the same as a Boeing 747. Yet even with that massive wingspan
>> loaded with more than 17,000 monocrystalline silicon solar cells, and
> more
>> than 2,000 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, the entire plane weighs
>> in at just over 5,000 pounds. This allows the 17.5 horsepower to push the
>> Solar Impulse 2 along at a maximum speed of… 35 MPH."
>> 
>> Now, there was a time when most people scoffed at the idea of a home
>> computer, and what would you do with one any way? A digital camera that
>> would fit inside a portable phone? Impossible, or at least not good
> enough
>> to use! Just because we can't see how it can be done now, doesn't mean
> that
>> it's not possible, just that we don't know how - yet.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:08 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> And. The useful load for that Experimental category airplane is
> 
>>> 
>>> Zero passengers.. Zero cargo.. but.. It is able to travel at almost 80
>>> MPH... most days when the sun shines... for a while
>>> 
>>> Soon... your majesty.. very soon... I'll be able to turn lead into gold
>> and
>>> you will be incredibly rich.. I do need just a little more equipment
> and
>>> funding
>>> 
>>> Reality surely sucks, doesn't it..
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] My announcement

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

We true German-Americans take note of your desire to become a citizen of the 
Fatherland. The next time Germany invades Russia, you will be given the 
opportunity to join the glorious Wehrmacht as a frontline fighting man. If you 
perform heroic deeds like true German soldiers; even when advancing to to the 
rear; you will be eligible for battlefield citizenship and a residency permit 
where you can drive real Mercedes instead of the lesser export models you now 
drive.
Gerry HUFMANN Archer  

"Rich Thomas" wrote:
> >I wanted to let you all be the first to know about my decision and 
> > announcement.  I have been thinking long and hard about it, and had to 
> > screw up my courage but with your help and consideration I decided it is 
> > finally time to let the world know.
> > 
> > I have become transGermansnip

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Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

(Long article; parts have been removed.)

Six university researchers have revealed deadly zero-day flaws in Apple's iOS 
and OS X, claiming it is possible to crack Apple's keychain, break app 
sandboxes and bypass its App Store security checks so that attackers can steal 
passwords from any installed app including the native email client without 
being detected.

The team was able to upload malware to the Apple app store, passing the vetting 
process without triggering alerts that could raid the keychain to steal 
passwords for services including iCloud and the Mail app, and all those store 
within Google Chrome...snip

Apple was not immediately available for commentsnip

"Recently we discovered a set of surprising security vulnerabilities in Apple's 
Mac OS and iOS that allows a malicious app to gain unauthorised access to other 
apps' sensitive data such as passwords and tokens for iCloud, Mail app and all 
web passwords stored by Google Chrome," Xing told The Register's security desk.

"Our malicious apps successfully went through Apple’s vetting process and was 
published on Apple’s Mac app store and iOS app store.

"We completely cracked the keychain service - used to store passwords and other 
credentials for different Apple apps - and sandbox containers on OS X, and also 
identified new weaknesses within the inter-app communication mechanisms on OS X 
and iOS which can be used to steal confidential data from Evernote, Facebook 
and other high-profile apps."

The team was able to raid banking credentials from Google Chrome on the latest 
Mac OS X 10.10.3, using a sandboxed app to steal the system's keychain and 
secret iCloud tokens, and passwords from password vaults.

Photos were stolen from WeChat and the token for popular cloud service Evernote 
nabbed allowing it to be fully compromised.

"The consequences are dire," the team wrote in the paper.

Some 88.6 percent of 1612 Mac and 200 iOS apps were found "completely exposed" 
to unauthorised cross-app resource access (XARA) attacks allowing malicious 
apps to steal otherwise secure data...snip

"Our study brings to light a series of unexpected, security-critical aws 
that can be exploited to circumvent Apple's isolation protection and its App 
Store's security vetting. The consequences of such attacks are devastating, 
leading to complete disclosure of the most sensitive user information (e.g., 
passwords) to a malicious app even when it is sandboxed.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/17/apple_hosed_boffins_drop_0day_mac_ios_research_blitzkrieg/

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> If it's anything like their computers, it'll be obsolete in three years. 
> Imagine, them telling you that your operating system is too old, car's 
> computer is too old to handle upgrade. Buy new car.
> Thanks but I'll stick to my manual everything dinosaur mobiles.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 17, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Apple could dominate market -- analystPublished: Wednesday, June 17, 2015
> > 
> > Apple Inc.'s reach could soon include electric automobiles, according to an
> > industry analyst.
> > 
> > "If the world's most valuable company were to design and engineer a car, we
> > are convinced it would be 100 percent a battery electric propulsion
> > system," wrote Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas to investors yesterday.
> > 
> > The company has reportedly already created a team to work on designing an
> > Apple-branded car, though it has not made any comments on the topic. A
> > lawsuit from electric-car battery maker A123 Systems this year accused
> > Apple of poaching its employees.
> > 
> > Apple can certainly dump resources into the project; the technology company
> > pulls in about $15 billion in profit every business quarter, which is equal
> > to four months of the research and development of all the world's
> > automakers combined, Jonas said.
> > 
> > The company could help pioneer self-driving cars, which some see as the
> > future of transportation in America.
> > 
> > "A fully autonomous car is meant to be shared, not owned," Jonas said. "A
> > fully autonomous car -- as in no steering wheel, no pedals -- can work 24
> > hours a day" (Jerry Hirsch, *Los Angeles Times*
> > ,
> > June 16). *-- BTP*
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Actually, several parties flew before the Wrights.  The problem the Wrights 
solved was how to turn.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Rich  Thomas via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 11:01 PM
> 
> The Wright brothers were not constrained by physics, they were liberated by
> physics. Their insights were a glimpse into a whole new world of physical
> reality., and they were among the first.
> 
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Apple and the next Electric Car

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

That's a slick way to solve the problem where Uber drivers were declared to be 
employees (entitled to all benefits) vs independent contractors  (another blow 
for unemployment). I understand McDonalds is experimenting with a self-serve 
experiment to combat the latest minimum wage laws.  There ain't no free lunch.

> -Original Message-
> From:  OK Don via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 10:23 PM
> 
> It's the ultimate taxi. You won't own it, you'll just schedule a ride from 
> where
> you are to where you want to go and pay through the nose for the
> convenience. ...



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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > G Mann wrote:
> >  
> > I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that
> > leaps forward with the assumption it is a finished and
> > practical appliction product accepted by public use.
> >
> > It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps,
> > but not yet.

> Andrew wrote:
> 
> Grant, I can just see you watching the Wright Brothers lift
> off, saying "they will never be able to compete with trains
> - that silly contraption can only carry one or at most two
> men"

*chuckle*  The comparison might look similar at a casual
glance - but really it's not.  For the Wrights - and other
early flier - the challenge was on many fronts.
Aerodynamics, engines, control surfaces, user interface,
etc.  

With this current solar airplane, there is nothing new
with the airframe, or the motors, or the user interface, or
the control surfaces.  It is a balance between battery
capacity vs. weight vs. photovoltaic (PV) panel output.  As
pointed out, even 100% efficiency from the panels would not
be enough to sustain flight except at high noon in the
tropics on a sunny day.  

With well over 100 years of development, there's a very low
probability that electric motor efficiency will be able to
increase much.  Tiny bits here and there, but unless someone
finds "room temperature" superconductors we can't expect much
change from the motor.

Same with the airframe drag.  More than 100 years of study,
expanding from the kite that the Wrights and Whitehead flew
to the supersonic and high-altitude aircraft, and many
points in between, suggest there's little hope of getting
lift with less drag.

Batteries have a lot of potential for advancement - but that
won't _sustain_ flight.  Charge 'em to make a flight - yes.
But I understood the claim to be that PV alone would be
enough.

So those PV panels will _never_ be 100% efficient.  I dream
of the day when maybe, just maybe they will top 60%.  It's
probably a pipe dream just as much as a 200 MPG carburetor
was in the 1970's. (which, by the way, would require the
engine to be something like 250% efficient...)

So I'm with Grant.  Physics rules.  Even if a fellow doesn't
understand physics, he still can't violate those laws
regardless of what Congress does!

I expect major improvement in electric storage technology,
and hope that I might live to see a rugged 30% efficient PV
panel.  But even then,  our transportation machines require
more energy than they can collect from the sun in transit.

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