Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
Thanks for the comments, Jaime. The car is a two owner car, starting out in Southern CA with the original owner and moving to TX about 15 years ago with the present owner. The current owner drove it as a weekend car, putting a small amount (about 40k) of the 160k that's on it. About 10 years ago they had the car repainted the same color by the local MB body shop along with having the top replaced with the OE material. They also had the top end of the engine done around the same time. It's had about 10k put on it in the last ten years. The car is garaged at all times. Full service records, too. The owner is in poor health and the family is looking to liquidate all of his toys, this being one of them. They have been trying to sell the car for a while but had unrealistic expectations of what it is worth. As a result, they are about ready to toss in the towel on it. I may be able to get it for under $4k, which could make it worthwhile one it has been inspected and gets a clean bill of health. I know the 380 is far from a rocket ship, but I don't care about that and would rather have the fuel economy over power. Since (I think) the 380 is devalued compared to the 450 and 560, I see this working in my favor for getting the same chassis car with the lower displacement engine. 450SLs are a dime a dozen around here, but most are thrashed and from the 1985 range with the underwood cats with all the related issues. I'm not looking for resale value, so that doesn't play into the equation. If I can pull this off the youngest son will end up with the car - unless I like it better, then he gets the S500... On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, There are lots of deals out there with R107s (I just bought a 450SL today, in fact). You have to be careful with resale value of a high mileage car. With your talent of being able to improve these cars both cosmetically and mechanically, you're probably best off finding a car in need of some TLC with lower mileage. Then when you're done with it, it'll be worth quite a bit more than a higher mileage car in the same condition. Same effort, and possibly nearly the same upfront costs. There are so many of these cars out there, and so many with low mileage, that a high mileage car just can't compete on the same price scale. Now, all this really depends on what you can buy this car for. If you're talking under $5000 and the interior is nice, then I might think differently. A pile of service records from new will help the resale value quite a bit, too. As far as 380SLs... they're not very powerful, as you know, but the quick sifting 4 speed transmission make them nicer to drive that 450SLs, in my opinion. You also get all the benefits of next generation climate control, cruise control, etc. Overall, a much more modern car than the 450SL. But I guess its also worth noting that the 560SL is another generation newer still in many ways. And, in comparison to a 380 or 450, is unbelievably powerful. Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Might have a chance to get a 1984 380SL from the second owner. 160k, 10k in the last ten years, top end done at 150k along with a full repaint in original color. Soft top replaced when car was repainted. Has the hard top, too, of course. More details as I get them. Comments, opinions, pitfalls to avoid? I don't know how close I am to pulling this off, but I am going to try... Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
Apparently, 4th Amendment of Constitution is not taught in schools now.. or read in Congress, or by police agencies.. To bad.. welcome to the total nanny state, where you will be given what the state determines you need or want, and controls what you do.. Oh... wait... there is that pesky 2nd Amendment that keeps the slaves armed.. how inconvenient... hmmm ... I wonder why the founding fathers included that??? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Nuvi certainly does have A track file and even displays the track history if that display is enabled. You can manually delete the track history too but I don't know if the data is actually deleted before it is overwritten. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver. I don't think mist of the automotive GPS' leave breadcrumbs, but my handheld Garmin does. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
I managed to move along fairly well in a 47hp Karman Ghia and a 67hp(?) '80 240D. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL or, alternatively, downshift and put your foot into it On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Dan, There are lots of deals out there with R107s (I just bought a 450SL today, in fact). You have to be careful with resale value of a high mileage car. With your talent of being able to improve these cars both cosmetically and mechanically, you're probably best off finding a car in need of some TLC with lower mileage. Then when you're done with it, it'll be worth quite a bit more than a higher mileage car in the same condition. Same effort, and possibly nearly the same upfront costs. There are so many of these cars out there, and so many with low mileage, that a high mileage car just can't compete on the same price scale. Now, all this really depends on what you can buy this car for. If you're talking under $5000 and the interior is nice, then I might think differently. A pile of service records from new will help the resale value quite a bit, too. As far as 380SLs... they're not very powerful, as you know, but the quick sifting 4 speed transmission make them nicer to drive that 450SLs, in my opinion. You also get all the benefits of next generation climate control, cruise control, etc. Overall, a much more modern car than the 450SL. But I guess its also worth noting that the 560SL is another generation newer still in many ways. And, in comparison to a 380 or 450, is unbelievably powerful. Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Might have a chance to get a 1984 380SL from the second owner. 160k, 10k in the last ten years, top end done at 150k along with a full repaint in original color. Soft top replaced when car was repainted. Has the hard top, too, of course. More details as I get them. Comments, opinions, pitfalls to avoid? I don't know how close I am to pulling this off, but I am going to try... Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] DFW and Surrounds?
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
In case of the 16th ammendment. Mike On Nov 20, 2013 10:13 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, 4th Amendment of Constitution is not taught in schools now.. or read in Congress, or by police agencies.. To bad.. welcome to the total nanny state, where you will be given what the state determines you need or want, and controls what you do.. Oh... wait... there is that pesky 2nd Amendment that keeps the slaves armed.. how inconvenient... hmmm ... I wonder why the founding fathers included that??? On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Nuvi certainly does have A track file and even displays the track history if that display is enabled. You can manually delete the track history too but I don't know if the data is actually deleted before it is overwritten. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 4:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver. I don't think mist of the automotive GPS' leave breadcrumbs, but my handheld Garmin does. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mercedes pR0n of the day
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[MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error
Russian crash investigators find voice recorder The last word the pilot of the Boeing 737 uttered was circle. Moments later the jetliner slammed into the ground, investigators said Wednesday, killing all 50 people on board. The Moscow-based Interstate Aviation Committee, which investigates plane crashes across the former Soviet Union, concluded a day earlier that the crew failed to land at first attempt, began to stall in a steep climb, then overcompensated -- plunging the plane into a near-vertical dive. The report was based on the data retrieved from the plane's flight parameters recorder, which also showed that its engines and other systems were working fine until the plane hit the ground. On Wednesday, search teams found a tape of cockpit conversations -- a crucial piece of evidence that was missing when its container was found the day before. The recording is expected to shed light upon the motives behind the series of faulty maneuvers that led to the crash. Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the Investigative Committee, Russia's main criminal investigative agency conducting its own probe into the crash, said that recordings of the crew's conversations with the control tower sounded routine. The pilot reported that the plane was in a wrong position for the landing and confirmed getting a traffic controller's command to circle the airport prior to making a second run. The final word the pilot said before the crash was 'circle,' Markin said in a statement. The Tatarstan Airlines plane was flying from Moscow to the central city of Kazan, 720 kilometers (450 miles) to the east. Moscow's Interstate Aviation Committee's report concluded that to prepare the jet for a second try, the crew switched off autopilot and put the plane's engines on maximum power, raising the plane's nose to an angle of about 25 degrees. The abrupt move apparently caused the jetliner to lose speed. The normal procedure during an aborted landing is to apply near-maximum power and assume about a 5-to-7 degree nose-up attitude, said Kevin Hiatt, a former Delta Air Lines chief pilot and president of the Flight Safety Foundation, a U.S.-based nonprofit. Twenty-five degrees nose-up is excessive. There's no question about that whatsoever, Hiatt said. Why they determined they needed to go to that high an angle will be part of the investigation. At an altitude of about 700 meters (2,200 feet), the crew then tried to gain speed in order to avert a stall by putting the nose of the plane down. The report said the plane then went into a dive of about 75 degrees and hit the tarmac. Airplanes can sometimes recover from steep dives but they must be at a sufficiently high altitude. The committee said it took only 45 seconds from the moment the crew put the engines at maximum throttle until the moment the Boeing smashed into the ground. Such loss of control accidents are responsible for more deaths than any other type of plane crash because they are rarely survivable, according to the Flight Safety Foundation, an industry-supported global aviation safety nonprofit based in Alexandria, Virginia. The head of Tartarstan Airlines, Aksan Giniyatullin, said Tuesday that the plane's two pilots had sufficient experience, ranging from 1,900 to 2,500 hours, but admitted that they apparently had no experience with attempting a second landing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
You have to take into consideration the power (including torque) to weight ratio. That Karman Ghia wieghted what, 2200 lb.? The 240D was more like 3400 lb., but had far more torque than HP. The R107 looks fast, so ought to be somewhat fast. It's a grand touring car afterall. I'm a firm believer in you can't have too much HP, but usually can't afford to purchase or feed as much as you'd like. The 450SLC had decent power, but the three speed tranny sucked. (So did the fuel economy.) The 380's I drove were anemic, the 560's were just about right. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I managed to move along fairly well in a 47hp Karman Ghia and a 67hp(?) '80 240D. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL or, alternatively, downshift and put your foot into it On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, There are lots of deals out there with R107s (I just bought a 450SL today, in fact). You have to be careful with resale value of a high mileage car. With your talent of being able to improve these cars both cosmetically and mechanically, you're probably best off finding a car in need of some TLC with lower mileage. Then when you're done with it, it'll be worth quite a bit more than a higher mileage car in the same condition. Same effort, and possibly nearly the same upfront costs. There are so many of these cars out there, and so many with low mileage, that a high mileage car just can't compete on the same price scale. Now, all this really depends on what you can buy this car for. If you're talking under $5000 and the interior is nice, then I might think differently. A pile of service records from new will help the resale value quite a bit, too. As far as 380SLs... they're not very powerful, as you know, but the quick sifting 4 speed transmission make them nicer to drive that 450SLs, in my opinion. You also get all the benefits of next generation climate control, cruise control, etc. Overall, a much more modern car than the 450SL. But I guess its also worth noting that the 560SL is another generation newer still in many ways. And, in comparison to a 380 or 450, is unbelievably powerful. Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Might have a chance to get a 1984 380SL from the second owner. 160k, 10k in the last ten years, top end done at 150k along with a full repaint in original color. Soft top replaced when car was repainted. Has the hard top, too, of course. More details as I get them. Comments, opinions, pitfalls to avoid? I don't know how close I am to pulling this off, but I am going to try... Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
Attaboy wilton. Go for it. On Nov 19, 2013 10:33 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Walker folds compactly, and Scooter breaks down in 30 seconds into 4 very manageable parts - not nearly as much space needed as most people think. I'd bet an '84 380SL'd work just fine. I may hafta watch for one. 'Bet there's plenty of room in trunk for walker and scooter if walker couldn't go behind driver. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL 'Room for my walker behind driver seat and room for the elec. scooter in trunk? ;) They are surprisingly spacious, though I don't know if they'll extend to your 'needs'. Our family of three has road-tripped in them a number of times, and my wife can get her bari sax in the trunk along with other instruments. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
I may be able to get it for under $4k, which could make it worthwhile one it has been inspected and gets a clean bill of health. Absolutely, if it is as I imagine it from your description. I know the 380 is far from a rocket ship, but I don't care about that and would rather have the fuel economy over power. My 560 actually got better fuel economy than my friend's 380. I never got good economy numbers from _my_ 380 because 90% of the time it was not running right, due to the oil-fouling of one plug. With a new plug it performed very nicely, just not for very long. I really liked driving it when it was in a good mood. Smooth, and plenty fast enough. The 4-speed tranny made the difference over the 450's 3-speed. Since (I think) the 380 is devalued compared to the 450 and 560, I see this working in my favor for getting the same chassis car with the lower displacement engine. Yep. One in good shape is an excellent value. If you can solder. :-) 450SLs are a dime a dozen around here, but most are thrashed and from the 1985 range with the underwood cats with all the related issues. Underhood cats in only two years, one of which was '76. (Ours.) Most of those cats are gutted, by now. Turns out ours were. The _bad_ thing about the 450 is the ACC. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
It was about 20F this morning when I went out to start my commute, the coldest
by far since I've owned the TDI.
I find this car fascinating since its so different from my old MBs. Normally
the glow plug light just blinks in a POTS (power on self test) and the glow
plugs don't do anything. Today however the light was on for a good 20 seconds.
The car started just like an MB with just a touch of the key but it was
interesting to see the light really on for the first time in just over 2,000
miles of driving.
Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes to
get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long as my '84 190D. On the
TDI boards they put this down to the efficiency of the engine. I think that a
lot of the folks driving them baby the engines too, I tend to keep the RPMs up
like I would on an MB although I've started to get into 4th and 5th a lot
earlier than I used to. The torque from that little 1.9l really carries the car
along well.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
i just drove home from GA in a rented hyundai elantra. specs read as follows Power (SAE): 148 hp @ 6,500 rpm; 131 ft lb of torque @ 4,700 rpm Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2013/hyundai/elantra/specifications/#ixzz2lCzYQTb6 i drive backroads so i must have passed dozens of big rigs. more than enough power to get that done and be the fastest guy on the road. big power is a one trick pony. it is good for just flooring it and making people go ooh but beyond that it is of no help unless you are drag racing or driving 150mph+. as a practical matter, adequate is just that and no more is needed nor particularly beneficial On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree, I've been very pleased with my 90hp (150 lb/ft) Jetta. My commute has gotten shorter in duration as I zip down the highway at 80mph. Need to work on slowing down to get my fuel economy back up. The one tank I made myself slow down I managed 52mpg, the others are around 47. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 02:24:42 -0500 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL Message-ID: CACioK3u9vECW0TRmDxi+aEEML1QY=D5_MC4L1+jn-kw=s02...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
my 220D made 57HP. i was passing all the big V8s all day long on the interstate. (except when going uphill. that was a wholly different matter!) with 150HP, i easily have enough to be in the top 5% of speed on the road, even though most modern cards have more power On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I managed to move along fairly well in a 47hp Karman Ghia and a 67hp(?) '80 240D. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL or, alternatively, downshift and put your foot into it On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, There are lots of deals out there with R107s (I just bought a 450SL today, in fact). You have to be careful with resale value of a high mileage car. With your talent of being able to improve these cars both cosmetically and mechanically, you're probably best off finding a car in need of some TLC with lower mileage. Then when you're done with it, it'll be worth quite a bit more than a higher mileage car in the same condition. Same effort, and possibly nearly the same upfront costs. There are so many of these cars out there, and so many with low mileage, that a high mileage car just can't compete on the same price scale. Now, all this really depends on what you can buy this car for. If you're talking under $5000 and the interior is nice, then I might think differently. A pile of service records from new will help the resale value quite a bit, too. As far as 380SLs... they're not very powerful, as you know, but the quick sifting 4 speed transmission make them nicer to drive that 450SLs, in my opinion. You also get all the benefits of next generation climate control, cruise control, etc. Overall, a much more modern car than the 450SL. But I guess its also worth noting that the 560SL is another generation newer still in many ways. And, in comparison to a 380 or 450, is unbelievably powerful. Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Might have a chance to get a 1984 380SL from the second owner. 160k, 10k in the last ten years, top end done at 150k along with a full repaint in original color. Soft top replaced when car was repainted. Has the hard top, too, of course. More details as I get them. Comments, opinions, pitfalls to avoid? I don't know how close I am to pulling this off, but I am going to try... Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
I agree, I've been very pleased with my 90hp (150 lb/ft) Jetta. My commute has gotten shorter in duration as I zip down the highway at 80mph. Need to work on slowing down to get my fuel economy back up. The one tank I made myself slow down I managed 52mpg, the others are around 47. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 02:24:42 -0500 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL Message-ID: CACioK3u9vECW0TRmDxi+aEEML1QY=D5_MC4L1+jn-kw=s02...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
My thoughts exactly. I have a brother in law who is all horsepower and bling. He has a late model Rousch (?) Mustang, which he likes to take out on the rural roads around Champaign, IL and drive at high speeds. Not sure why. I'm waiting for him to wrap it around a fence post. I hope it doesn't happen, if course, but that's the ultimate result from such theatrics. I figure if I want a race car I'll buy a Porsche and run in the SCCA. Dan without a foot of lead On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i just drove home from GA in a rented hyundai elantra. specs read as follows Power (SAE): 148 hp @ 6,500 rpm; 131 ft lb of torque @ 4,700 rpm Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2013/hyundai/elantra/specifications/#ixzz2lCzYQTb6 i drive backroads so i must have passed dozens of big rigs. more than enough power to get that done and be the fastest guy on the road. big power is a one trick pony. it is good for just flooring it and making people go ooh but beyond that it is of no help unless you are drag racing or driving 150mph+. as a practical matter, adequate is just that and no more is needed nor particularly beneficial On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree, I've been very pleased with my 90hp (150 lb/ft) Jetta. My commute has gotten shorter in duration as I zip down the highway at 80mph. Need to work on slowing down to get my fuel economy back up. The one tank I made myself slow down I managed 52mpg, the others are around 47. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 02:24:42 -0500 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL Message-ID: CACioK3u9vECW0TRmDxi+aEEML1QY=D5_MC4L1+jn-kw=s02...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
On 20/11/2013 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
It was about 20F this morning when I went out to start my commute, the coldest
by far since I've owned the TDI.
I find this car fascinating since its so different from my old MBs. Normally
the glow plug light just blinks in a POTS (power on self test) and the glow
plugs don't do anything. Today however the light was on for a good 20 seconds.
The car started just like an MB with just a touch of the key but it was
interesting to see the light really on for the first time in just over 2,000
miles of driving.
Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes to
get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long as my '84 190D. On the
TDI boards they put this down to the efficiency of the engine. I think that a
lot of the folks driving them baby the engines too, I tend to keep the RPMs up
like I would on an MB although I've started to get into 4th and 5th a lot
earlier than I used to. The torque from that little 1.9l really carries the car
along well.
-Curt
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are essentially converting one form of energy to another and that is why
the big old V8's created good heat - they were burning lots of fuel and
converting a lot of that energy to heat. The TDI is using very little
fuel and the result is poor heating capabilities.
Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
Yep Wilt - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL You have to take into consideration the power (including torque) to weight ratio. That Karman Ghia wieghted what, 2200 lb.? The 240D was more like 3400 lb., but had far more torque than HP. The R107 looks fast, so ought to be somewhat fast. It's a grand touring car afterall. I'm a firm believer in you can't have too much HP, but usually can't afford to purchase or feed as much as you'd like. The 450SLC had decent power, but the three speed tranny sucked. (So did the fuel economy.) The 380's I drove were anemic, the 560's were just about right. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I managed to move along fairly well in a 47hp Karman Ghia and a 67hp(?) '80 240D. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL or, alternatively, downshift and put your foot into it On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, There are lots of deals out there with R107s (I just bought a 450SL today, in fact). You have to be careful with resale value of a high mileage car. With your talent of being able to improve these cars both cosmetically and mechanically, you're probably best off finding a car in need of some TLC with lower mileage. Then when you're done with it, it'll be worth quite a bit more than a higher mileage car in the same condition. Same effort, and possibly nearly the same upfront costs. There are so many of these cars out there, and so many with low mileage, that a high mileage car just can't compete on the same price scale. Now, all this really depends on what you can buy this car for. If you're talking under $5000 and the interior is nice, then I might think differently. A pile of service records from new will help the resale value quite a bit, too. As far as 380SLs... they're not very powerful, as you know, but the quick sifting 4 speed transmission make them nicer to drive that 450SLs, in my opinion. You also get all the benefits of next generation climate control, cruise control, etc. Overall, a much more modern car than the 450SL. But I guess its also worth noting that the 560SL is another generation newer still in many ways. And, in comparison to a 380 or 450, is unbelievably powerful. Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Might have a chance to get a 1984 380SL from the second owner. 160k, 10k in the last ten years, top end done at 150k along with a full repaint in original color. Soft top replaced when car was repainted. Has the hard top, too, of course. More details as I get them. Comments, opinions, pitfalls to avoid? I don't know how close I am to pulling this off, but I am going to try... Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
Re: [MBZ] horsepower
I am not so sure that I agree with you all. I can drive my old 300D and it does reasonably well, but there are times when it could use a bit more. For example, pulling onto the highway from a dead stop with a 90 degree turn and uphill for the next half mile or so. I have to be careful not to be run down. My current F150 has the new 5 liter and I can say without a doubt that I like it more than the 5.4 that was in my 2002 version. If I keep my foot out of it, it appears to be making better mileage than the earlier one did and if I step on it, I get a nice growl. I have not yet needed to hit it hard so I don't know what it will do if pushed, but so far I like it fine and I am willing to bet it could be a whole lot of fun in a Mustang. I don't need the 400+ HP version but this one is rated at 360HP and that suits me fine so far. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
BTW, I ran/drove a '70 Chrysler at Daytona about '71; really, yes, I did, too - well 2 circuits, anyway. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL My thoughts exactly. I have a brother in law who is all horsepower and bling. He has a late model Rousch (?) Mustang, which he likes to take out on the rural roads around Champaign, IL and drive at high speeds. Not sure why. I'm waiting for him to wrap it around a fence post. I hope it doesn't happen, if course, but that's the ultimate result from such theatrics. I figure if I want a race car I'll buy a Porsche and run in the SCCA. Dan without a foot of lead On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i just drove home from GA in a rented hyundai elantra. specs read as follows Power (SAE): 148 hp @ 6,500 rpm; 131 ft lb of torque @ 4,700 rpm Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2013/hyundai/elantra/specifications/#ixzz2lCzYQTb6 i drive backroads so i must have passed dozens of big rigs. more than enough power to get that done and be the fastest guy on the road. big power is a one trick pony. it is good for just flooring it and making people go ooh but beyond that it is of no help unless you are drag racing or driving 150mph+. as a practical matter, adequate is just that and no more is needed nor particularly beneficial On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree, I've been very pleased with my 90hp (150 lb/ft) Jetta. My commute has gotten shorter in duration as I zip down the highway at 80mph. Need to work on slowing down to get my fuel economy back up. The one tank I made myself slow down I managed 52mpg, the others are around 47. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 02:24:42 -0500 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL Message-ID: CACioK3u9vECW0TRmDxi+aEEML1QY=D5_MC4L1+jn-kw=s02...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
On Nov 20, 2013 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Another interesting part of this ('98
Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes to
get heat. Right now it takes just about
twice as long as my '84 190D. On the
TDI boards they put this down to the
efficiency of the engine.
My ex's '00 diesel bug had a 5th glow plug as part of the climate control
that comes on with the other four to heat up the cabin.
Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
Curt wrote:
Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long
it takes to get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long
as my '84 190D. On the TDI boards they put this down to the
efficiency of the engine. I think that a lot of the folks driving
them baby the engines too, I tend to keep the RPMs up like I
would on an MB...
Yeah, unless it's working hard, it doesn't generate a lot of extra
heat. Running the engine at higher RPM may not help _unless_ it is
also working harder (not just spinning faster)
-- Philip
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
On 20/11/2013 1:00 PM, Fmiser wrote:
Curt wrote:
Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long
it takes to get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long
as my '84 190D. On the TDI boards they put this down to the
efficiency of the engine. I think that a lot of the folks driving
them baby the engines too, I tend to keep the RPMs up like I
would on an MB...
Yeah, unless it's working hard, it doesn't generate a lot of extra
heat. Running the engine at higher RPM may not help _unless_ it is
also working harder (not just spinning faster)
-- Philip
So, . . . . . fill the trunk and the back seat with concrete?
Or, maybe set the rear brakes to drag a bit???
Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
Give the kid the S500. There is nothing so entertaining as tooling around in a R107. Wind in the hair, sun, bugs in the teeth. If you do get it for under $5k, that is a pretty good score. It sounds like it was well loved. The lack of power is an illusion. The 450SL is slow out the gate, and maybe the 560 has some more giddy up, upgraded transmission and diff. The 380 will seem just as fast, as long as you think it is. Just my $0.02 On Nov 20, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Thanks for the comments, Jaime. The car is a two owner car, starting out in Southern CA with the original owner and moving to TX about 15 years ago with the present owner. The current owner drove it as a weekend car, putting a small amount (about 40k) of the 160k that's on it. About 10 years ago they had the car repainted the same color by the local MB body shop along with having the top replaced with the OE material. They also had the top end of the engine done around the same time. It's had about 10k put on it in the last ten years. The car is garaged at all times. Full service records, too. The owner is in poor health and the family is looking to liquidate all of his toys, this being one of them. They have been trying to sell the car for a while but had unrealistic expectations of what it is worth. As a result, they are about ready to toss in the towel on it. I may be able to get it for under $4k, which could make it worthwhile one it has been inspected and gets a clean bill of health. I know the 380 is far from a rocket ship, but I don't care about that and would rather have the fuel economy over power. Since (I think) the 380 is devalued compared to the 450 and 560, I see this working in my favor for getting the same chassis car with the lower displacement engine. 450SLs are a dime a dozen around here, but most are thrashed and from the 1985 range with the underwood cats with all the related issues. I'm not looking for resale value, so that doesn't play into the equation. If I can pull this off the youngest son will end up with the car - unless I like it better, then he gets the S500... On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, There are lots of deals out there with R107s (I just bought a 450SL today, in fact). You have to be careful with resale value of a high mileage car. With your talent of being able to improve these cars both cosmetically and mechanically, you're probably best off finding a car in need of some TLC with lower mileage. Then when you're done with it, it'll be worth quite a bit more than a higher mileage car in the same condition. Same effort, and possibly nearly the same upfront costs. There are so many of these cars out there, and so many with low mileage, that a high mileage car just can't compete on the same price scale. Now, all this really depends on what you can buy this car for. If you're talking under $5000 and the interior is nice, then I might think differently. A pile of service records from new will help the resale value quite a bit, too. As far as 380SLs... they're not very powerful, as you know, but the quick sifting 4 speed transmission make them nicer to drive that 450SLs, in my opinion. You also get all the benefits of next generation climate control, cruise control, etc. Overall, a much more modern car than the 450SL. But I guess its also worth noting that the 560SL is another generation newer still in many ways. And, in comparison to a 380 or 450, is unbelievably powerful. Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Might have a chance to get a 1984 380SL from the second owner. 160k, 10k in the last ten years, top end done at 150k along with a full repaint in original color. Soft top replaced when car was repainted. Has the hard top, too, of course. More details as I get them. Comments, opinions, pitfalls to avoid? I don't know how close I am to pulling this off, but I am going to try... Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
+1 Gary I was thinking about how Gump performed. She would take a bit to get to speed, but once there, she held onto it fairly well. Never was going to be a speed demon, but very enjoyable to drive. clay On Nov 20, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Gary Hurst wrote: my 220D made 57HP. i was passing all the big V8s all day long on the interstate. (except when going uphill. that was a wholly different matter!) with 150HP, i easily have enough to be in the top 5% of speed on the road, even though most modern cards have more power On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I managed to move along fairly well in a 47hp Karman Ghia and a 67hp(?) '80 240D. ;) Wilt - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL or, alternatively, downshift and put your foot into it On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: power is overrated. 150HP or so is huge if you put your foot into it and downshift On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, There are lots of deals out there with R107s (I just bought a 450SL today, in fact). You have to be careful with resale value of a high mileage car. With your talent of being able to improve these cars both cosmetically and mechanically, you're probably best off finding a car in need of some TLC with lower mileage. Then when you're done with it, it'll be worth quite a bit more than a higher mileage car in the same condition. Same effort, and possibly nearly the same upfront costs. There are so many of these cars out there, and so many with low mileage, that a high mileage car just can't compete on the same price scale. Now, all this really depends on what you can buy this car for. If you're talking under $5000 and the interior is nice, then I might think differently. A pile of service records from new will help the resale value quite a bit, too. As far as 380SLs... they're not very powerful, as you know, but the quick sifting 4 speed transmission make them nicer to drive that 450SLs, in my opinion. You also get all the benefits of next generation climate control, cruise control, etc. Overall, a much more modern car than the 450SL. But I guess its also worth noting that the 560SL is another generation newer still in many ways. And, in comparison to a 380 or 450, is unbelievably powerful. Good luck! Jaime On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Might have a chance to get a 1984 380SL from the second owner. 160k, 10k in the last ten years, top end done at 150k along with a full repaint in original color. Soft top replaced when car was repainted. Has the hard top, too, of course. More details as I get them. Comments, opinions, pitfalls to avoid? I don't know how close I am to pulling this off, but I am going to try... Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:39:29 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: It's had about 10k put on it in the last ten years. The car is garaged at all times. Full service records, too. Sounds like a good car to pursue. I know the 380 is far from a rocket ship, but I don't care about that and would rather have the fuel economy over power That was my reason for getting our '95 E320 from Snook. But then the '94 E420 got wrecked, so I didn't have to try to sell it. BTW, do you want the rotors and caps I have? Where should I send them? I'm not looking for resale value, so that doesn't play into the equation. If I can pull this off the youngest son will end up with the car - unless I like it better, then he gets the S500... You are spoiling your youngest son! (BTW, how old is he?) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:18:35 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a firm believer in you can't have too much HP, but usually can't afford to purchase or feed as much as you'd like. Just like the ones with four legs, feeding those ponies is costly. The 450SLC had decent power, but the three speed tranny sucked. (So did the fuel economy.) The 380's I drove were anemic, the 560's were just about right. Your standard of just about right is much higher than mine. I think the '95 E320 has plenty of horsepower, even here at 7000+ feet ASL. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
Finally hit 0.0c this morning, frost on the glass. Fired up the w220 and then
got out and sprayed the glass with frost be gone. Squeegee the windows and got
back in. Fired up the defog and tried to drive off. Could not see a dang
thing. Feeble response from the defog, and it took forever to get warm.
Compared to the E300D, where you got it lit off, de iced, and in a minute or so
the fan was blasting away and eating away at the condensation.
clay
On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
On 20/11/2013 1:00 PM, Fmiser wrote:
Curt wrote:
Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long
it takes to get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long
as my '84 190D. On the TDI boards they put this down to the
efficiency of the engine. I think that a lot of the folks driving
them baby the engines too, I tend to keep the RPMs up like I
would on an MB...
Yeah, unless it's working hard, it doesn't generate a lot of extra
heat. Running the engine at higher RPM may not help _unless_ it is
also working harder (not just spinning faster)
-- Philip
So, . . . . . fill the trunk and the back seat with concrete?
Or, maybe set the rear brakes to drag a bit???
Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
The big HP guys are just the first ones to the accident. Kid next door bought a Mustang for his first car, we'll see how he does through his first winter... -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:54:42 -0500 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL Message-ID: 5145188a-2eaf-4863-8047-b19509120...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My thoughts exactly. I have a brother in law who is all horsepower and bling. He has a late model Rousch (?) Mustang, which he likes to take out on the rural roads around Champaign, IL and drive at high speeds. Not sure why. I'm waiting for him to wrap it around a fence post. I hope it doesn't happen, if course, but that's the ultimate result from such theatrics. I figure if I want a race car I'll buy a Porsche and run in the SCCA. Dan without a foot of lead ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
A lot of guys install a coolant heater. Apparently there aren't freeze plugs so
thats not an option. I suppose the advantage of the coolant heater is quick
heat in the morning.
Its interesting to see guys on TDI club saying now that its cold out, then
you check and they're in Virginia or Georgia. You ask and they say Well its in
the 40s. In the 40s I don't even wear a coat...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:03:07 -0600
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
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On 20/11/2013 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
It was about 20F this morning when I went out to start my commute, the
coldest by far since I've owned the TDI.
I find this car fascinating since its so different from my old MBs. Normally
the glow plug light just blinks in a POTS (power on self test) and the glow
plugs don't do anything. Today however the light was on for a good 20
seconds. The car started just like an MB with just a touch of the key but it
was interesting to see the light really on for the first time in just over
2,000 miles of driving.
Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes to
get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long as my '84 190D. On the
TDI boards they put this down to the efficiency of the engine. I think that a
lot of the folks driving them baby the engines too, I tend to keep the RPMs
up like I would on an MB although I've started to get into 4th and 5th a lot
earlier than I used to. The torque from that little 1.9l really carries the
car along well.
-Curt
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to have seat heaters installed. He is a retired physics prof and he says
that it is understandable that the TDI does not heat well. He says we
are essentially converting one form of energy to another and that is why
the big old V8's created good heat - they were burning lots of fuel and
converting a lot of that energy to heat. The TDI is using very little
fuel and the result is poor heating capabilities.
Randy
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Re: [MBZ] horsepower
So what happens if they run you down? They step on the brake and honk the horn and blast past you. Who cares? You've fallen for the line that you need more power. In reality you like more power or maybe even want more power but you don't need it. In fact most of the time as we've discussed you don't need a car at all since your commute is so short. That said there are plenty of reasons for you to have a vehicle and since you are able to support yourself its nobody's place to tell you you can't have one but please don't confuse need and want. I'm not impressed with the 300+HP engines, they make it all at super high RPM. My v8 Dakota was only 205ish HP but it made it around 2,000rpm (your 360hp is probably at 4500 or more) and was much more useful. Low RPM hp also equates to more torque. Torque gets things done, HP makes noise and burns gas. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:09:06 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] horsepower Message-ID: 528cfac2.70...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not so sure that I agree with you all. I can drive my old 300D and it does reasonably well, but there are times when it could use a bit more. For example, pulling onto the highway from a dead stop with a 90 degree turn and uphill for the next half mile or so. I have to be careful not to be run down. My current F150 has the new 5 liter and I can say without a doubt that I like it more than the 5.4 that was in my 2002 version. If I keep my foot out of it, it appears to be making better mileage than the earlier one did and if I step on it, I get a nice growl. I have not yet needed to hit it hard so I don't know what it will do if pushed, but so far I like it fine and I am willing to bet it could be a whole lot of fun in a Mustang. I don't need the 400+ HP version but this one is rated at 360HP and that suits me fine so far. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
The coolant glowplugs. Mine has 3, the idea is to get them to heat the
coolant a little faster. IIRC they don't come on until the engine is running
and are of debatable value.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:27:22 -0800
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On Nov 20, 2013 9:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
Another interesting part of this ('98
Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes to
get heat. Right now it takes just about
twice as long as my '84 190D. On the
TDI boards they put this down to the
efficiency of the engine.
My ex's '00 diesel bug had a 5th glow plug as part of the climate control
that comes on with the other four to heat up the cabin.
Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
Or drive faster ;)
-Curt
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:16:59 -0600
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
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On 20/11/2013 1:00 PM, Fmiser wrote:
Curt wrote:
Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long
it takes to get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long
as my '84 190D. On the TDI boards they put this down to the
efficiency of the engine. I think that a lot of the folks driving
them baby the engines too, I tend to keep the RPMs up like I
would on an MB...
Yeah, unless it's working hard, it doesn't generate a lot of extra
heat. Running the engine at higher RPM may not help _unless_ it is
also working harder (not just spinning faster)
-- Philip
So, . . . . . fill the trunk and the back seat with concrete?
Or, maybe set the rear brakes to drag a bit???
Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
What's funny is that he travels for business, and his work car is a Buick Regal. The 'stang lives in the garage and only comes out in good weather. On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The big HP guys are just the first ones to the accident. Kid next door bought a Mustang for his first car, we'll see how he does through his first winter... -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:54:42 -0500 From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL Message-ID: 5145188a-2eaf-4863-8047-b19509120...@penoff.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My thoughts exactly. I have a brother in law who is all horsepower and bling. He has a late model Rousch (?) Mustang, which he likes to take out on the rural roads around Champaign, IL and drive at high speeds. Not sure why. I'm waiting for him to wrap it around a fence post. I hope it doesn't happen, if course, but that's the ultimate result from such theatrics. I figure if I want a race car I'll buy a Porsche and run in the SCCA. Dan without a foot of lead ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] horsepower
I have commented on the spot that I was thinking about before in other posts. When I have driven the old 300D to the lake in the summer I have encountered a spot that causes me to wish the car had more ability to accelerate. On the outskirts of Kenora, Ontario, the road comes to a T intersection with a stop sign. It requires that I stop and then make a 90 degree left turn onto the highway to go west to Winnipeg. It is an uphill grade for maybe a half mile and I find it hard to get the 76 300D up to highway speed until I crest the hill and head down the other side. It is 2 lane highway and fairly heavily travelled by transport trucks. I prefer not to have to get over onto the shoulder to let them pass me and I really don't want to hold them up so I try to pull out when it is an opportune time. However, those waiting behind me may not be pleased to wait until I let all the big trucks go by either. Most modern cars have pretty good acceleration so my old car is not a welcome addition to the mix. Around town here it is fine and on the 4 lane at 70+ mph it is fine but merging from a slow speed is not one of its strong points. And, if you read my post, I don't think you will find that I claimed to need the horsepower in the truck. I said the new one has more advertised power than the old one did and it is noticable and I like it. Modern engines with all the fancy controls may be a problem waiting to happen but when they work well, they are a joy to drive. I am not sure but I think the hotrod Mustang version is either turocharged or supercharged. I said I don't need that sort of thing but I am willing to bet that the new 5 liter in a Mustang would be fun to drive. It would weigh a whole lot less than a Supercrew. I also wonder if one could take one of the late model Lincoln Town Cars (2011 was the last I think?) and use components from the Ford Crown Victoria police inteceptor suspension and a new 5 liter engine and have a hotrod Lincoln. That sounds like fun to me. A friend is trying to sell a 2009 Town Car right now and if I had a few spare $$ and a place to park it, I would cheerfully take it home. It is Burgundy and has about 65K miles on it. It may be a bit of a boat, but I think I would prefer it to a Miata. Randy On 20/11/2013 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So what happens if they run you down? They step on the brake and honk the horn and blast past you. Who cares? You've fallen for the line that you need more power. In reality you like more power or maybe even want more power but you don't need it. In fact most of the time as we've discussed you don't need a car at all since your commute is so short. That said there are plenty of reasons for you to have a vehicle and since you are able to support yourself its nobody's place to tell you you can't have one but please don't confuse need and want. I'm not impressed with the 300+HP engines, they make it all at super high RPM. My v8 Dakota was only 205ish HP but it made it around 2,000rpm (your 360hp is probably at 4500 or more) and was much more useful. Low RPM hp also equates to more torque. Torque gets things done, HP makes noise and burns gas. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:09:06 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] horsepower Message-ID: 528cfac2.70...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not so sure that I agree with you all. I can drive my old 300D and it does reasonably well, but there are times when it could use a bit more. For example, pulling onto the highway from a dead stop with a 90 degree turn and uphill for the next half mile or so. I have to be careful not to be run down. My current F150 has the new 5 liter and I can say without a doubt that I like it more than the 5.4 that was in my 2002 version. If I keep my foot out of it, it appears to be making better mileage than the earlier one did and if I step on it, I get a nice growl. I have not yet needed to hit it hard so I don't know what it will do if pushed, but so far I like it fine and I am willing to bet it could be a whole lot of fun in a Mustang. I don't need the 400+ HP version but this one is rated at 360HP and that suits me fine so far. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Polishing concrete and bow ties
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Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
On 19/11/2013 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: This is laughable that the owner owns the data as the cops and insco will say there is an investigation that requires the data. No doubt NSA will suck out the data from drive-by sniffers. I am thinking that having an EMP generator sitting next to the computer would be good, to be set off by the airbag or a switch in the event of a crash or anything else. If I own the car, and own the data, then I can do what the hell I want with the data. --R But, maybe the evidence on the data recorder could assist you. It might well show that you were driving straight and smooth, and under the speed limit and got hit by someone who was not doing that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] My, but I'm one boring driver.
Then you don't activate the EMP with a manual switch. On another note, I see that Russian drivers are really bad (drunk a lot it seems) so almost everyone has dashcams to record what goes on. --R On 11/20/13 4:22 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 19/11/2013 1:30 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: This is laughable that the owner owns the data as the cops and insco will say there is an investigation that requires the data. No doubt NSA will suck out the data from drive-by sniffers. I am thinking that having an EMP generator sitting next to the computer would be good, to be set off by the airbag or a switch in the event of a crash or anything else. If I own the car, and own the data, then I can do what the hell I want with the data. --R But, maybe the evidence on the data recorder could assist you. It might well show that you were driving straight and smooth, and under the speed limit and got hit by someone who was not doing that. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am about to be ill
On Nov 19, 2013 9:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 19, 2013 5:09 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: ). You seem to be in this part of the tech world? Go ahead and tell us what the fiasco about healthcare is all about. Ha! I'm not touching that one. Suffice it to say there are both political and technical reasons, from what i've observed, why the state health exchanges and healthcare.gov aren't working. The fed site reeks of a web site and backend designed by a committee, but never having been tested as a system under a load. It's not an uncommon problem in industry either, though there (hopefully) QA throws up a warning and the schedule gets slipped or the system rolls out piecemeal. I had gathered the state sites were doing okay, not that I have tried to use any. For a reasonably technical discussion: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/the-seven-deadly-sins-of-healthcare-gov/ Worth reading the comments also, if you are still interested by the end. Best, Tim Driving by during the cold snap :) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joint Tool
The $100 eBay ball joint tool arrived today. It looks nicely made and finished. The drift mates nicely with the contour on the underside of the ball joint, although I previously pounded out the old joint using a big socket. The tool fits snugly over the new ball joint boot without damaging the boot (also holding the new BJ securely in the tool). The cutouts seem to provide good clearance between the knuckle and the tool when the new BJ is square with the knuckle. I plan to go to a local shade-tree mechanic tomorrow and press in the first joint; I'll report back afterward. Here's a link to the directions that came with the tool. It works with 123 and 126 BJs and includes a spacer for 220s. http://pt709.synology.me/126_ball_joint_tool.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error
I kept reading this waiting for the punch line. I guess its no joke :-( On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Russian crash investigators find voice recorder The last word the pilot of the Boeing 737 uttered was circle. Moments later the jetliner slammed into the ground, investigators said Wednesday, killing all 50 people on board. The Moscow-based Interstate Aviation Committee, which investigates plane crashes across the former Soviet Union, concluded a day earlier that the crew failed to land at first attempt, began to stall in a steep climb, then overcompensated -- plunging the plane into a near-vertical dive. The report was based on the data retrieved from the plane's flight parameters recorder, which also showed that its engines and other systems were working fine until the plane hit the ground. On Wednesday, search teams found a tape of cockpit conversations -- a crucial piece of evidence that was missing when its container was found the day before. The recording is expected to shed light upon the motives behind the series of faulty maneuvers that led to the crash. Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the Investigative Committee, Russia's main criminal investigative agency conducting its own probe into the crash, said that recordings of the crew's conversations with the control tower sounded routine. The pilot reported that the plane was in a wrong position for the landing and confirmed getting a traffic controller's command to circle the airport prior to making a second run. The final word the pilot said before the crash was 'circle,' Markin said in a statement. The Tatarstan Airlines plane was flying from Moscow to the central city of Kazan, 720 kilometers (450 miles) to the east. Moscow's Interstate Aviation Committee's report concluded that to prepare the jet for a second try, the crew switched off autopilot and put the plane's engines on maximum power, raising the plane's nose to an angle of about 25 degrees. The abrupt move apparently caused the jetliner to lose speed. The normal procedure during an aborted landing is to apply near-maximum power and assume about a 5-to-7 degree nose-up attitude, said Kevin Hiatt, a former Delta Air Lines chief pilot and president of the Flight Safety Foundation, a U.S.-based nonprofit. Twenty-five degrees nose-up is excessive. There's no question about that whatsoever, Hiatt said. Why they determined they needed to go to that high an angle will be part of the investigation. At an altitude of about 700 meters (2,200 feet), the crew then tried to gain speed in order to avert a stall by putting the nose of the plane down. The report said the plane then went into a dive of about 75 degrees and hit the tarmac. Airplanes can sometimes recover from steep dives but they must be at a sufficiently high altitude. The committee said it took only 45 seconds from the moment the crew put the engines at maximum throttle until the moment the Boeing smashed into the ground. Such loss of control accidents are responsible for more deaths than any other type of plane crash because they are rarely survivable, according to the Flight Safety Foundation, an industry-supported global aviation safety nonprofit based in Alexandria, Virginia. The head of Tartarstan Airlines, Aksan Giniyatullin, said Tuesday that the plane's two pilots had sufficient experience, ranging from 1,900 to 2,500 hours, but admitted that they apparently had no experience with attempting a second landing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I am about to be ill
Alex wrote: Ha! I'm not touching that one. Tim - thanks for the link to ars article. It seems that politically the complexity of the new systems should have been highlighted as failure happened early in October instead of now. Massive infrastructure, dependencies, etc are understandable and could have been a reasonable explanation to the media about the seeming system failure. Biz extension could have been granted without the buzz the failure produced, I would guess. It is a complex system linking market insco with gov't. Does refuse2enroll still play in these environs? I am odd man out here, but with zero resources and another year away from funding by gov't dictates I will be refusing. Take the high road and realize death ain't the bad thing healthcare makes it out to be. We all gotta get there but being in good health makes that unrealistic for me anytime soon... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error
Well, sadly, if the time between the pull up and the stall, and the push back down and hit the runway only took about 45 seconds, there was not much time to say anything. On 20/11/2013 7:14 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: I kept reading this waiting for the punch line. I guess its no joke :-( On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Russian crash investigators find voice recorder The last word the pilot of the Boeing 737 uttered was circle. Moments later the jetliner slammed into the ground, investigators said Wednesday, killing all 50 people on board. The Moscow-based Interstate Aviation Committee, which investigates plane crashes across the former Soviet Union, concluded a day earlier that the crew failed to land at first attempt, began to stall in a steep climb, then overcompensated -- plunging the plane into a near-vertical dive. The report was based on the data retrieved from the plane's flight parameters recorder, which also showed that its engines and other systems were working fine until the plane hit the ground. On Wednesday, search teams found a tape of cockpit conversations -- a crucial piece of evidence that was missing when its container was found the day before. The recording is expected to shed light upon the motives behind the series of faulty maneuvers that led to the crash. Vladimir Markin, a spokesman for the Investigative Committee, Russia's main criminal investigative agency conducting its own probe into the crash, said that recordings of the crew's conversations with the control tower sounded routine. The pilot reported that the plane was in a wrong position for the landing and confirmed getting a traffic controller's command to circle the airport prior to making a second run. The final word the pilot said before the crash was 'circle,' Markin said in a statement. The Tatarstan Airlines plane was flying from Moscow to the central city of Kazan, 720 kilometers (450 miles) to the east. Moscow's Interstate Aviation Committee's report concluded that to prepare the jet for a second try, the crew switched off autopilot and put the plane's engines on maximum power, raising the plane's nose to an angle of about 25 degrees. The abrupt move apparently caused the jetliner to lose speed. The normal procedure during an aborted landing is to apply near-maximum power and assume about a 5-to-7 degree nose-up attitude, said Kevin Hiatt, a former Delta Air Lines chief pilot and president of the Flight Safety Foundation, a U.S.-based nonprofit. Twenty-five degrees nose-up is excessive. There's no question about that whatsoever, Hiatt said. Why they determined they needed to go to that high an angle will be part of the investigation. At an altitude of about 700 meters (2,200 feet), the crew then tried to gain speed in order to avert a stall by putting the nose of the plane down. The report said the plane then went into a dive of about 75 degrees and hit the tarmac. Airplanes can sometimes recover from steep dives but they must be at a sufficiently high altitude. The committee said it took only 45 seconds from the moment the crew put the engines at maximum throttle until the moment the Boeing smashed into the ground. Such loss of control accidents are responsible for more deaths than any other type of plane crash because they are rarely survivable, according to the Flight Safety Foundation, an industry-supported global aviation safety nonprofit based in Alexandria, Virginia. The head of Tartarstan Airlines, Aksan Giniyatullin, said Tuesday that the plane's two pilots had sufficient experience, ranging from 1,900 to 2,500 hours, but admitted that they apparently had no experience with attempting a second landing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error
Jaime wrote: I kept reading this waiting for the punch line. I guess its no joke :-( More likely a kgb killing like the Poland president crash several years ago. Just find the important politics in the passenger list to find why it went down. Plus, many pilots really are not cut out to be in a cockpit. My son sees stupid pilot moves very often. Situational awareness is critical at altitudes close to the earth. Up in the atmosphere altitudes there is a bit better forgiveness for lack of situational awareness. Your icon picture that comes up in gmail shows a guy with beard? - nice look, Jaime. Putting on weight also? - or is it just the full beard? Full beard is allowed at Montvale? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error
Actually, I've had a beard for about 10 years now! Glad you like it... Lots of stuff goes in my weird little part of Montvale. I'm with RD, not the sales and marketing people up the hill. My wardrobe definitely doesn't match their dress code. Jaime On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Jaime wrote: I kept reading this waiting for the punch line. I guess its no joke :-( More likely a kgb killing like the Poland president crash several years ago. Just find the important politics in the passenger list to find why it went down. Plus, many pilots really are not cut out to be in a cockpit. My son sees stupid pilot moves very often. Situational awareness is critical at altitudes close to the earth. Up in the atmosphere altitudes there is a bit better forgiveness for lack of situational awareness. Your icon picture that comes up in gmail shows a guy with beard? - nice look, Jaime. Putting on weight also? - or is it just the full beard? Full beard is allowed at Montvale? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error
More on situational awareness: online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304439804579204202526288042 Count on the same type of analysis for our 4-wheel conveyance vehicles some day as Jaime increases the amount of mechanical/computer oversight and control that Montvale thinks is best for us. Jaime - give us more 3-pedal conveyances, not more controlled conveyances. Force us in to situational awareness, not less situational awareness. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DFW and Surrounds?
Which one? On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Anyone near Denton, TX that could look at a car for me? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mete8y4u Pilot Error
I welcome our electronic overlords. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: More on situational awareness: online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304439804579204202526288042 Count on the same type of analysis for our 4-wheel conveyance vehicles some day as Jaime increases the amount of mechanical/computer oversight and control that Montvale thinks is best for us. Jaime - give us more 3-pedal conveyances, not more controlled conveyances. Force us in to situational awareness, not less situational awareness. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
IIRC, the MB cars, at least the old ones I drove, had that little water
pump in the heater circuit that circulated the coolant around the head and
to the heater before the thermostat opens to let the coolant start flowing
through everything else. This is to provide heat ASAP to the cabin. I've
never seen this feature in another car.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
It was about 20F this morning when I went out to start my commute, the
coldest by far since I've owned the TDI.
I find this car fascinating since its so different from my old MBs.
Normally the glow plug light just blinks in a POTS (power on self test) and
the glow plugs don't do anything. Today however the light was on for a good
20 seconds. The car started just like an MB with just a touch of the key
but it was interesting to see the light really on for the first time in
just over 2,000 miles of driving.
Another interesting part of this ('98 Jetta TDI) car is how long it takes
to get heat. Right now it takes just about twice as long as my '84 190D. On
the TDI boards they put this down to the efficiency of the engine. I think
that a lot of the folks driving them baby the engines too, I tend to keep
the RPMs up like I would on an MB although I've started to get into 4th and
5th a lot earlier than I used to. The torque from that little 1.9l really
carries the car along well.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The glow plugs came on!
Curt's 190D didn't burn a lot of extra fuel either, but still provided plenty of heat. It was engineered to do so. A VW is not. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: One of my neighbors accross the lane drives a Golf TDI. His solution was to have seat heaters installed. He is a retired physics prof and he says that it is understandable that the TDI does not heat well. He says we are essentially converting one form of energy to another and that is why the big old V8's created good heat - they were burning lots of fuel and converting a lot of that energy to heat. The TDI is using very little fuel and the result is poor heating capabilities. Randy -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
The son needs a 240D if he's a new driver - let him learn to drive in the real world in that car for a few years, then let him drive a car with more power - safest way to start driving. Yup - mpst pf my kids started in a 240D. They are all still alive today, and have never wrecked a car. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: I'm not looking for resale value, so that doesn't play into the equation. If I can pull this off the youngest son will end up with the car - unless I like it better, then he gets the S500... You are spoiling your youngest son! (BTW, how old is he?) Craig -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] horsepower
I think there are two ways to have fun driving - with lots of power to play with, and with very little power, requiring you to get the max all the time. I enjoyed driving the low powered (cheap) '60s sports cars, my VW bug (1951), and I also enjoyed driving the V8 powered MGA. Most of the rest in between are boring, which is fine most of the time. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: I have commented on the spot that I was thinking about before in other posts. When I have driven the old 300D to the lake in the summer I have encountered a spot that causes me to wish the car had more ability to accelerate. On the outskirts of Kenora, Ontario, the road comes to a T intersection with a stop sign. It requires that I stop and then make a 90 degree left turn onto the highway to go west to Winnipeg. It is an uphill grade for maybe a half mile and I find it hard to get the 76 300D up to highway speed until I crest the hill and head down the other side. It is 2 lane highway and fairly heavily travelled by transport trucks. I prefer not to have to get over onto the shoulder to let them pass me and I really don't want to hold them up so I try to pull out when it is an opportune time. However, those waiting behind me may not be pleased to wait until I let all the big trucks go by either. Most modern cars have pretty good acceleration so my old car is not a welcome addition to the mix. Around town here it is fine and on the 4 lane at 70+ mph it is fine but merging from a slow speed is not one of its strong points. And, if you read my post, I don't think you will find that I claimed to need the horsepower in the truck. I said the new one has more advertised power than the old one did and it is noticable and I like it. Modern engines with all the fancy controls may be a problem waiting to happen but when they work well, they are a joy to drive. I am not sure but I think the hotrod Mustang version is either turocharged or supercharged. I said I don't need that sort of thing but I am willing to bet that the new 5 liter in a Mustang would be fun to drive. It would weigh a whole lot less than a Supercrew. I also wonder if one could take one of the late model Lincoln Town Cars (2011 was the last I think?) and use components from the Ford Crown Victoria police inteceptor suspension and a new 5 liter engine and have a hotrod Lincoln. That sounds like fun to me. A friend is trying to sell a 2009 Town Car right now and if I had a few spare $$ and a place to park it, I would cheerfully take it home. It is Burgundy and has about 65K miles on it. It may be a bit of a boat, but I think I would prefer it to a Miata. Randy On 20/11/2013 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So what happens if they run you down? They step on the brake and honk the horn and blast past you. Who cares? You've fallen for the line that you need more power. In reality you like more power or maybe even want more power but you don't need it. In fact most of the time as we've discussed you don't need a car at all since your commute is so short. That said there are plenty of reasons for you to have a vehicle and since you are able to support yourself its nobody's place to tell you you can't have one but please don't confuse need and want. I'm not impressed with the 300+HP engines, they make it all at super high RPM. My v8 Dakota was only 205ish HP but it made it around 2,000rpm (your 360hp is probably at 4500 or more) and was much more useful. Low RPM hp also equates to more torque. Torque gets things done, HP makes noise and burns gas. -Curt Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:09:06 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] horsepower Message-ID: 528cfac2.70...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not so sure that I agree with you all. I can drive my old 300D and it does reasonably well, but there are times when it could use a bit more. For example, pulling onto the highway from a dead stop with a 90 degree turn and uphill for the next half mile or so. I have to be careful not to be run down. My current F150 has the new 5 liter and I can say without a doubt that I like it more than the 5.4 that was in my 2002 version. If I keep my foot out of it, it appears to be making better mileage than the earlier one did and if I step on it, I get a nice growl. I have not yet needed to hit it hard so I don't know what it will do if pushed, but so far I like it fine and I am willing to bet it could be a whole lot of fun in a Mustang. I don't need the 400+ HP version but this one is rated at 360HP and that suits me fine so far. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] 1984 380SL
I have a lead on a nice 220D stick with a parts vergasser, also stick. Mid america location clay On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:37 PM, OK Don wrote: The son needs a 240D if he's a new driver - let him learn to drive in the real world in that car for a few years, then let him drive a car with more power - safest way to start driving. Yup - mpst pf my kids started in a 240D. They are all still alive today, and have never wrecked a car. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: I'm not looking for resale value, so that doesn't play into the equation. If I can pull this off the youngest son will end up with the car - unless I like it better, then he gets the S500... You are spoiling your youngest son! (BTW, how old is he?) Craig -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] horsepower
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:43 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I think there are two ways to have fun driving - with lots of power to play with, and with very little power, requiring you to get the max all the time. I'm pretty amused by the reviews of the new Toyota/Subaru joint-venture RWD sports car that describe the driving experience as the latter--making the most of little power. The thing weighs no more than 3,000 lb and has a 200 hp engine. More than enough power in my book. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joint Tool
Do you have a link to the tool on eBay? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: The $100 eBay ball joint tool arrived today. It looks nicely made and finished. The drift mates nicely with the contour on the underside of the ball joint, although I previously pounded out the old joint using a big socket. The tool fits snugly over the new ball joint boot without damaging the boot (also holding the new BJ securely in the tool). The cutouts seem to provide good clearance between the knuckle and the tool when the new BJ is square with the knuckle. I plan to go to a local shade-tree mechanic tomorrow and press in the first joint; I'll report back afterward. Here's a link to the directions that came with the tool. It works with 123 and 126 BJs and includes a spacer for 220s. http://pt709.synology.me/126_ball_joint_tool.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Speaking of CNG (was: Is liquid fuel from various quickie marts trustworthy?)
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:46:44 -0500 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Interesting development from Chrysler, http://www.autonews.com/article/20131112/OEM04/131119977/chrysler-mimics-human-lung-to-broaden-cng-use I finally got around to following the link. It's very short on details. I cannot right now see how having lung-alveoli-like features in a CNG storage tank would help things, other than their claim of being able to shape the tank to fit the vehicle. The reason for lung alveoli is to increase the surface area of tissue (and proximity to small blood vessels) contacting air. For a compressed natural gas tank, I would think going this route would increase weight for the same amount of gas stored. In addition, safety could be a nightmare with many more points were rust could cause a failure of the tank. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joint Tool
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-W213-W126-W220-Ball-Joint-Installer-T ool-/400610932838?pt=Motors_Automotive_Toolshash=item5d4645b866vxp=mtr -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joint Tool Do you have a link to the tool on eBay? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:48 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: The $100 eBay ball joint tool arrived today. It looks nicely made and finished. The drift mates nicely with the contour on the underside of the ball joint, although I previously pounded out the old joint using a big socket. The tool fits snugly over the new ball joint boot without damaging the boot (also holding the new BJ securely in the tool). The cutouts seem to provide good clearance between the knuckle and the tool when the new BJ is square with the knuckle. I plan to go to a local shade-tree mechanic tomorrow and press in the first joint; I'll report back afterward. Here's a link to the directions that came with the tool. It works with 123 and 126 BJs and includes a spacer for 220s. http://pt709.synology.me/126_ball_joint_tool.pdf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
