Hi Andrew. When I was living on DC I used to go to a gas station new Mt Airy
Maryland and buy B100 at the pump. I would fill up my tank and then another
four five gallon yellow diesel fuel containers in my trunk. This would last me
about three months.
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I have seen a 1983
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We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost
Andrew,
will find much information and disinformation on the topic of BioD
here and elsewhere. (for example, the horror stories you hear about BioD
eating fuel lines; i've got over 70,000 miles on almost exclusively
straight BioD on the same fuel lines that were in my '85 300D when i
I have pretty much ruled out becoming a home distiller after reading all
these excellent posts. The better choice would appear to be installing a
system in the car to burn filtered WVO.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:21 PM, ernest breakfield
erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote:
Andrew,
So after months of effort and untold hundreds of dollars, you finally restore
your car to original condition, and now you will butcher it to be able to burn
waste oil? This modification and use (some would say abuse) will decrease the
value of the car.
I also get the feeling that your pay is
Interesting analogy. How much can you buy a used OM617 injection pump for?
I see running parts cars for $500-$1500. I paid $1100 for my 83 300d(you
should see it.Mann filters, Conti belts, MBZ fluids always, clean as a
whistle under the hood...). At the current $4.15 per gallon if I run
In my neck of the woods, the only way to buy a 617 is to wait for 3
years till one comes into a yard, buy a craigslist crackvertised car
to strip then crush, or have one shipped in and pay big $$$.
I guess that skews my perspective, but the viscosity difference is a
real issue. The difference in
I have seen a 1983 300D converted to a dual system run without any problems
on WVO and regular diesel. If I did a conversion it would be to my other
car, the 1983 300TD with 325K miles. But don't hold your breath...
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:
In
We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about
$1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of
restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer
grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic
soda). I also
Don't buy it! Processing BioD needs to happen in a pressure sealed
environment at around 135-140F. HDPE will break down when exposed to
NaOH/KOH and Methanol/Ethanol under heat and pressure. Pressure is
generated during the mixture of Lye/Methanol AND when that is mixed with
the heated oil.
Check with the restaurants first. They may be required to deal with licensed
'hazardous waste' companies only. And a few years ago it looked like biofuels
would make fry oil a commodity item to sell rather than a waste item to pay for
disposal of. Funny how we don't hear as much about biodiesel
I found one on ebay that looks and sounds very cool:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Biodiesel-Processor-65g-batch-size-Full-draining-tanks-/260711009292?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cb3964c0c
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Check with the restaurants first. They may
What's the link to the biodiesel list, Luther?
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
Don't buy it! Processing BioD needs to happen in a pressure sealed
environment at around 135-140F. HDPE will break down when exposed to
NaOH/KOH and Methanol/Ethanol
andrew strasfogel wrote:
What's the link to the biodiesel list, Luther?
http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_okiebenz.com
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For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com
To search list archives
I am already a member but haven't received anything in eons.
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
What's the link to the biodiesel list, Luther?
Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you will have
to get in line. Plus, you have to figure out what to do with all the
glycerin and nasty leftover chemicals. And being in DC
BTW the boy is moving to DC in a coupla weeks to go to Gtown Med, I get
to go move him in
If you use KOH (Potassium hydroxide) instead of NaOH, the lefover
glycerin (after you boil any extra Methanol off) is compostable and
biodegradable, unlike NaOh-glycerin, which has a large component of salt
Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx
Same problems with the Biobuddy...he's using a HDPE tank which will
break down and have a leak eventually. Not a question of if it will
leak but it will leak, just when?
Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
On 7/15/2011 1:56 PM, andrew
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We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about
$1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have
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Sure - let me know. What sort of story would you like to hear in exchange
for a second beer?
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas
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Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you will have to
get in line. Plus, you have to
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We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost
Yeah, if you are talking about a restaurant that produces a lot of waste oil
(such as McDonald's) they already have contracts with rendering companies to
buy their used oil; if you try to siphon it out of the dumpster in back of the
store you'll be charged with theft.
If you know an
On 15/07/2011 2:32 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
Sure - let me know. What sort of story would you like to hear in exchange
for a second beer?
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you
Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and pump
rebuilds.
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59 -0400, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:
We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about
$1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have
That's horse crap if the BioD is properly washed and NOT rancid. Fuel
system problems are mostly cause by the solvent nature of BioD washing
out the crap that years of PetroD usage left behind. Other issues are
due to soy oils being the quickest to go rancid, on the order of 6mo or
so.
I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch.
There's not one good answer to this. The worse the waste oil, and by
worse I mean how degraded it has become with repeated use, the more
acidic the oil becomes and the more lye is required to treat it.
Lee
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We own three W123
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
Be prepared to dispose of the chunks of fries, chicken, etc that come in
the bottom of the oil bin. They could be carefully burned for heat to warm
oil
Or Andrew could put them in his compost pile along with the
restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their
fryer oil...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400
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On 15/07/2011 2:53 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:
Be prepared to dispose of the chunks of fries, chicken, etc that come in
the bottom of the oil bin. They could be carefully burned for heat to warm
oil
Or Andrew
On 15/07/2011 2:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not
dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC
tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per
gallon.Now your costs, not counting
I don't know anything about stringent rules for WVO. The manager at the
local burger joint that I called seemed to have no qualms in giving away
their fryer oil.
Obviously, unless the oil were free I wouldn't be interested. The whole
point is to turn a waste product into something useful while
Allan Streib wrote:
Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and pump
rebuilds.
I thought the wonderful thing about biodiesel was that it had more lubricity
than dinodiesel, which helped the fuel system live a long and happy life.
Mitch.
Yellow grease does not biodiesel make folks.
Been there done that. Yellow grease will not support a transesterfication
chemical reaction that is dependable or repeatable. By definition yellow
grease is chemical combination of any fatty acid source available to the
collection company.
In 2007 I
Can't haul 10-20 5 gal jugs or 2-6 55 gal drums in a pious
On 15/07/2011 2:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would
not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever
the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the
You are right! I was trying to point out the gummit friends that
will come calling on Andrew in a much lighter tone.
Used fry oil is traded as yellow grease. Yes, it is highly variable.
Most of the grease collection tanks are left open to collect
rainwater too... Water and used fry oil are
It is if it meets the BQ standard. Meeting the standard is not
likely with homebrew. Testing a sample runs roughly $1000 cash.
Allan Streib wrote:
Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and
pump rebuilds.
I thought the wonderful thing about biodiesel was that it
usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400
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Thank you for the suggestion. Biofuel is however an intrinsic political
topic, amongst chemistry, logistics, etc. My point was a friendly jibe
to Andrew, who has been a friendly foil for various light-hearted
political exchanges. He and I will have fun, and maybe some beers and
tomatoes.
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We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about
$1700 + $450
My intent was to be somewhat funny as well. Maybe it came accross too
serious. I could just see the two of you getting into a fight in a bar.
There is some silly only country song about political leanings of the
members of a band who end up beating on each other.
the one on the right was on
AFAIK commercially available stuff should prolong your engine's life as long as
it's diluted in dinodiesel. I think B20 is best.
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On Jul 15, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
It is if it meets the BQ standard. Meeting the standard is not likely with
To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very
well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you it
won't work right is full of it. Been doing it for years and have yet to
have a veggie oil related failure. Clean, clean, clean oil is the secret to
Too much modification will devalue the car. BD is easier.
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On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:
To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very
well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you
Who cares about devaluing the car? If you save $5000 in fuel then you can
afford to lose a few bucks if you decide to resell. Doesn't take long to
make one of our old beaters into a free car at over 4 dollars a gallon for
diesel.
And NO biodiesel is not easier by any means. There is much more
Look at it this way.screw up once filtering oil and replace filters.
Screw up once making BD and die or risk pump failure.
Your choice.
Mike
On Jul 15, 2011 5:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
Too much modification will devalue the car. BD is easier.
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I'm not suggesting making BD. I'm suggesting buying the good commercially
available stuff.
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On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:
Look at it this way.screw up once filtering oil and replace filters.
Screw up once making BD and die or
Fuel viscosity is different, pump takes more HP to do it's job, more
mechanical stress... WVO is good if you get the viscosity under control,
filter it, dry it, biocide it, etc.
It works, but in the same way that using 1's for TP works...
Walt
On Jul 15, 2011 5:58 PM, Michael Canfield
Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes:
I'm not suggesting making BD. I'm suggesting buying the good
commercially available stuff.
That is the only way I'd do it. Too much trouble to be worth it making
it yourself.
Allan
--
1983 300D
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That's certainly one way to look at it.
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On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:
Who cares about devaluing the car? If you save $5000 in fuel then you can
afford to lose a few bucks if you decide to resell. Doesn't take long to
make one of
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We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about
$1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots
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Thanks for the great input. The local Z Burger chain has a guy pick it up
every Wednesday
Don't confuse veggie oil with bio-diesel...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:41:39 -0400
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to get rid of their
fryer oil...
-Curt
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