On 8/30/2012 9:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
So, if Porsche comes out with a new car that has a unique shape, is it
alright if GM copies that unique shape and sells cars to compete with
the new Porsche?
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
I do know something of
Darren, you did nothing wrong. You truly did not. So you don't have any
reasons whatsoever to feel like this.
Please reconsider.
On 8/31/2012 12:51 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
To the entire PDML community:
Please accept my sincerest apologies for starting this thread (or,
more correctly now, these
On 31 August 2012 04:06, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
So, if Porsche comes out with a new car that has a unique shape, is it
alright if GM copies that unique shape and sells cars to compete with
the new Porsche?
If you too closely copy a work of literature or art then wouldn't
Joe,
Thanks for the link. I'm weak on my old radio commercials and the
Pepsi jingle is beyond my knowledge.
I enjoyed the story of your dad's career. It really was a different time.
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
We are jiving to
Don't be silly, Darren. This is an epic thread(s). I will even point
out here the other thread noting that Apple was mostly the loser in
the Japanese version of all this. I may start a separate Gmail
account.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Joe,
on 2012-08-29 16:03 DagT wrote
OK, I think my last word here is that my work is helping small firms protect
their inventions.
that explains it!
thanks for a good conversation, Dag; you obviously have much more depth than me
in this area, and a lot more riding on it professionally; it has
On Aug 27, 2012, at 07:21 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
...
That lasted for a while, then Apple addressed the costs by coming out with
their own (or purchased) fonts design called TrueType that gave damn near
the
On Aug 27, 2012, at 09:33 , John Sessoms wrote:
The part that mattered and y'all kind of missed was the and don't touch
anything else kid.
I really was a kid, not yet old enough to drive. It was very unusual someone
my age would even be allowed inside the computer room. Not only was I
On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:47 , William Robb wrote:
On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote:
What I'm against is a world where we only have Fords, Apple iPads,
Apple smart phones, Samsung TV's, Frigidaire refrigerators,,, you get
my drift, to choose from, and from what I can see that's the kind
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software
should not be patentable.
…but being software, should not be
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:47 , P. J. Alling wrote:
To even be allowed to argue patent law you are required to be a combination
of scientist engineer and lawyer, to hear the case apparently not.
My Mom's grandfather's firm spent 9 years trying to find a way for the Wright
Brothers to patent
On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software
should not
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:49 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being
On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:32 , Tom C wrote:
The look and feel is different. Apple makers a big deal of that. I'm
not saying it's better; just harder to base a lawsuit on.
Even with the gesture related controls. Is it right to patent
the fact that spreading your fingers means get larger
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:35 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:47 , William Robb wrote:
On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote:
What I'm against is a world where we only have Fords, Apple iPads,
Apple smart phones, Samsung TV's, Frigidaire refrigerators,,,
Or the $9.99 monthly phone from AARP with the big numbers and green screen.
Yeah. I can use it!
I've never had my glasses on when my burner rings. By the time I get them on,
it has stopped ringing…
On Aug 28, 2012, at 13:04 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
You can buy those old clunkers at
On Aug 28, 2012, at 14:31 , steve harley wrote:
on 2012-08-28 12:48 DagT wrote
In the about 20 years I have been discussing this with people who are
opposed to software patents nobody has ever found a fair definition. If you
cannot forbid what you cannot define. :-)
that's easy — let
On Aug 28, 2012, at 14:43 , DagT wrote:
Which is very unfair for those who have great ideas.
You know the circuitry for making efficient car engines? It may easily be
duplicated by software if it is not already. Some millions of dollars
research just to give it away to the competitor.
On Aug 28, 2012, at 20:39 , William Robb wrote:
Consider for a moment that when I was a mere teenager, a person pulling up
beside you at a red light and making a deflating O gesture was an
indication you had a flat tire.
I doubt hardly anyone one the road these days has learned that
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 10:31 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 14:31 , steve harley wrote:
on 2012-08-28 12:48 DagT wrote
In the about 20 years I have been discussing this with people who are
opposed to software patents nobody has ever found a fair
Ytes, I heard that story. I also heard another one where the inventor sold the
invention to an even larger firm, who won over the first.
There is always dangerous for the inventor to hold the invention too much to
himself. It is better to own a little of something big than to own everything
On 2012-08-30 3:03, Joseph McAllister wrote:
Anyway, my recollection is that TrueType was a method of minutely smoothing
what was once lumpy pixels. As opposed to Adobe's vector drawing formula. It's
been so long since I had to even think about it. Ya gotta let go of some of
what you knew to
Any complex software is going to be very difficult to port from a PC to
a MAC. Changes in PC software architecture make it difficult enough to
move from one platform to the next if Microsoft didn't maintain support
for older methods. Apple drops support and things stop working. often
... Any complex software is going to be very difficult to port from a PC to a
MAC. ...
The first work I did as a software development engineer in the private
sector (after NASA/JPL) was to design and implement a multi-platform
development system which ran on Mac OS, Windows, OSF/Motif, HP/UX
If I remember correctly, the inventor approached each of the Big Three
automakers, with his system. He didn't want to sell the right to use
his idea, but interest them in buying components, from a factory he was
going to finance on the basis of having the contracts. This would have
been much
On 30/08/2012 2:24 AM, DagT wrote:
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:35 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:47 , William Robb wrote:
On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote:
What I'm against is a world where we only have Fords, Apple iPads,
Apple smart phones, Samsung
So, if Porsche comes out with a new car that has a unique shape, is it
alright if GM copies that unique shape and sells cars to compete with
the new Porsche?
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
I do know something of precedent law, and the broad strokes that it will
On Aug 30, 2012, at 1:18 AM, DagT wrote:
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:49 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the
on 2012-08-27 3:26 Joseph McAllister wrote
When the Mac came out in 1984, it was shortly followed, thanks to Adobe selling Jobs the
font technology used by Apple Laser Printers, which put tens of thousands of printers and
font designers working at home. Desktop Printing became a buzzword in
From: Joseph McAllister
On Aug 27, 2012, at 09:33 , John Sessoms wrote:
The part that mattered and y'all kind of missed was the and don't
touch anything else kid.
I really was a kid, not yet old enough to drive. It was very
unusual someone my age would even be allowed inside the computer
From: Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software should
not be patentable.
?but being
on 2012-08-30 6:42 Doug Franklin wrote
On 2012-08-30 3:03, Joseph McAllister wrote:
Anyway, my recollection is that TrueType was a method of minutely smoothing
what was once lumpy pixels. As opposed to Adobe's vector drawing formula.
It's been so long since I had to even think about it. Ya
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 18:06 skrev William Robb:
On 30/08/2012 2:24 AM, DagT wrote:
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 09:35 skrev Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com:
On Aug 27, 2012, at 19:47 , William Robb wrote:
On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote:
What I'm against is a world where we
From: Daniel J. Matyola
So, if Porsche comes out with a new car that has a unique shape, is it
alright if GM copies that unique shape and sells cars to compete with
the new Porsche?
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
I do know something of precedent law, and the
Den 30. aug. 2012 kl. 21:03 skrev John Sessoms:
From: Joseph McAllister
On Aug 28, 2012, at 10:04 , Larry Colen wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being
on 2012-08-30 2:21 Joseph McAllister wrote
I believe those gestures were all first patented for the notebook computers
when Apple placed a trackpad by shifting the keyboard up next to the screen.
They shortly (after the patent was given) assigned these gestures to the
electrostatic pad a few
If they could, they would. To take the wind out of Porsche's sales they'd have
to build a vehicle that was equal or better than the original. Producing a car
that looked like a Porsche model, and selling it for a lot less to attract
buyers, would soon be revealed to by a piece of junk.
IMHO
On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:15 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
If they could, they would. To take the wind out of Porsche's sales they'd
have to build a vehicle that was equal or better than the original. Producing
a car that looked like a Porsche model, and selling it for a lot less to
attract
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:24 , Larry Colen wrote:
Unfu*kingbelievable.
And untrue. We use patents the opposite way, to get into markets dominated
by larger companies (or make them but the ringt for a good price).
DagT
Dag,
I will agree that there are good and worthwhile uses of
Thanks Steve. I was counting on someone to know what I did not remember.
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:26 , steve harley wrote:
on 2012-08-27 3:26 Joseph McAllister wrote
When the Mac came out in 1984, it was shortly followed, thanks to Adobe
selling Jobs the font technology used by Apple Laser
To the entire PDML community:
Please accept my sincerest apologies for starting this thread (or,
more correctly now, these threads).
As penance, I would force myself to read each message it contains
except for the fact that it would make me want to slit my wrists (more
than I already do). I'd also
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:43 , John Sessoms wrote:
From: Joseph McAllister
On Aug 27, 2012, at 09:33 , John Sessoms wrote:
The part that mattered and y'all kind of missed was the and don't
touch anything else kid.
I really was a kid, not yet old enough to drive. It was very
unusual
On Aug 30, 2012, at 12:05 , steve harley wrote:
on 2012-08-30 6:42 Doug Franklin wrote
On 2012-08-30 3:03, Joseph McAllister wrote:
Anyway, my recollection is that TrueType was a method of minutely smoothing
what was once lumpy pixels. As opposed to Adobe's vector drawing formula.
It's
on 2012-08-30 7:39 P. J. Alling wrote
Any complex software is going to be very difficult to port from a PC to a MAC.
some is very hard, but some very complex software has for years been relatively
smoothly maintained on Windows, OS X, Linux, Solaris, etc.
Changes in PC software
Joe,
Something's buggy with that Utube video...if I had a blue screen of
death, it would have appeared. It was a full stop.
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:43 , John Sessoms wrote:
From: Joseph McAllister
On
We are jiving to it here. Good ol' Johnny Fosdick's Orchestra backing up Anita
Bayer's vocals. Of course, it's an iMac I'm running it through. :-)
Try this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTnEbOjVCgfeature=player_detailpage
The previous URL was for my replaying it.
On Aug 30, 2012, at 18:42
From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
To the entire PDML community:
Please accept my sincerest apologies for starting this thread (or,
more correctly now, these threads).
As penance, I would force myself to read each message it contains
except for the fact that it would make me want to
Den 29. aug. 2012 kl. 07:25 skrev DagT li...@thrane.name:
Den 29. aug. 2012 kl. 00:18 skrev steve harley:
on 2012-08-28
if i were deciding how such a company should protect its work, i would treat
it as a trade secret, not as a patent
You obviously haven´t been involved in cases
on 2012-08-28 23:25 DagT wrote
Den 29. aug. 2012 kl. 00:18 skrev steve harley:
So now you find definitions that suit your principle rather than look at the
problem. Why would you not allow a technical method for improving engines to be
patentable? Note that the patent clams would have to be
on 2012-08-29 1:16 DagT wrote
Den 29. aug. 2012 kl. 07:25 skrev DagT li...@thrane.name:
But I forgot the most important part. Patents are about sharing. You give
information in return for protection.
good point, i agree patents _can_ promote sharing and give incentives for it,
but i guess
Den 29. aug. 2012 kl. 19:11 skrev steve harley:
on 2012-08-28 23:25 DagT wrote
No, your theory works for small software inventions, but those are not the
complete picture. You need a better definition.
i think your point is not disputing my definition, but rather returning to
the
Den 29. aug. 2012 kl. 19:45 skrev steve harley:
on 2012-08-29 1:16 DagT wrote
Den 29. aug. 2012 kl. 07:25 skrev DagT li...@thrane.name:
But I forgot the most important part. Patents are about sharing. You give
information in return for protection.
good point, i agree patents _can_ promote
On 8/28/2012 10:33 AM, Bob W wrote:
this is simply not true. I had a couple of smartphones for years before the
iPhone. They ran Windows Mobile and synced perfectly with Outlook on my
desktop, and had pretty much all the functionality I have now on my Android
phone. In fact, they synched far
On Aug 27, 2012, at 05:29 , Doug Franklin wrote:
TK?
Talent Keyhole
Wikipedia posting re: Sensitive Compartmented Information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_Compartmented_Information
Which has a section on TK.
Designations I recall from my years are TS/SSBI when I was secluded
Den 28. aug. 2012 kl. 09:33 skrev Bob W p...@web-options.com:
And this is because before the iPhone, every single cellphone out there
was an utter piece of junk. Terrible UI's; hard to sync to address
books;
this is simply not true. I had a couple of smartphones for years before the
On Aug 27, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
And this is because before the iPhone, every single cellphone out
there was an utter piece of junk.
This is completely untrue.
Terrible UI's; hard to sync to
address books; dozens of models from each manufacturer, all different
in pointless
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software
should not be patentable.
…but being software, should not be patentable? Did you really just say that?
-Charles
--
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Minneapolis, MN
If they were so good, why did they abandon those designs and begin to
imitate the iPhone?
I also like diversity. We can have it, if companies develop their
ideas and dare to be different. The problem is that, once the iPhone
came out, the competition found it easier and safer to follow what
From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
If they were so good, why did they abandon those designs and begin to
imitate the iPhone?
I also like diversity. We can have it, if companies develop their
ideas and dare to be different. The problem is that, once the iPhone
came out, the
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
I'm sorry but for me the iPhone user interface is an unusable piece of crap
[...]
When the iPad Touch came out, I really wanted to like it. [...]
Unfortunately the user interface was completely unusable. I played
with
If you look at windows 8, it follows the interface that was on the
Zune. It's a collection of panels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Windows_8_start_screen.png
Each panel has aspects of an icon and a small window. It's big
advantage may be that's it's different from iOs. Even before this
On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Tom C wrote:
There's only so many ways to make a hand-held computer/telephone that
makes sense. Shape-wise, size-wise, all the ergonomics.
Why don't you sit down and try to think of the way you would do it if
you were dreaming it up from scratch?
If you look
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software
should not be patentable.
…but being software, should not be patentable? Did you really just say
that?
Yes I
Oh yeah I forgot Windows Mobile.
But still is sleek and glass patentable?
Tom C.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Tom C wrote:
There's only so many ways to make a hand-held computer/telephone that
makes sense. Shape-wise,
Oh yeah I forgot Palm.
Frankly the Windows phone slightly tempted me. Palm never did.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh yeah I forgot Windows Mobile.
But still is sleek and glass patentable?
Tom C.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Tom C
On 8/27/2012 10:47 PM, William Robb wrote:
On 27/08/2012 6:55 PM, Tom C wrote:
What I'm against is a world where we only have Fords, Apple iPads,
Apple smart phones, Samsung TV's, Frigidaire refrigerators,,, you get
my drift, to choose from, and from what I can see that's the kind of
world
No. Never trust what forum people claim to be patented. Usually them haven't
even seen the patent :-)
DagT
The Evil European Patent Attorney
Sendt fra min iPad
Den 28. aug. 2012 kl. 19:32 skrev Tom C caka...@gmail.com:
Oh yeah I forgot Windows Mobile.
But still is sleek and glass
The look and feel is different. Apple makers a big deal of that. I'm
not saying it's better; just harder to base a lawsuit on.
Point noted. I knew that's what you were saying. :)
It's only superficially different, is my minor point. And how is the
iPhone interface that much different
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Tom C
There's only so many ways to make a hand-held computer/telephone that
makes sense. Shape-wise, size-wise, all the ergonomics.
Why don't you sit down and try to think of the way you would do it if
you were
Den 28. aug. 2012 kl. 19:04 skrev Larry Colen:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
On Aug 28, 2012, at 5:13 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I will agree that the goatse zoom is a clever idea, but being software
should not be patentable.
…but being software, should not be
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Daniel J. Matyola
If they were so good, why did they abandon those designs and begin to
imitate the iPhone?
they didn't abandon those designs. Mobile phone shops are full of phones
that are clearly not imitating the
On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Tom C wrote:
There's a ton of cars on the market with the look and feel of a Honda
Accord or Toyota Camry. It seems to me that Apple's trying to pull a
coup ...
I think you misspelled coupe.
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On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Tom C wrote:
The look and feel is different. Apple makers a big deal of that. I'm
not saying it's better; just harder to base a lawsuit on.
Point noted. I knew that's what you were saying. :)
It's only superficially different, is my minor point. And
You can buy those old clunkers at Walmart and a few other places, and
there may be leftovers at mobile phone shops, but go to the mall and
see what people, especially young people, are buying: iPhones and
knock-offs of the iPhone.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
On
on 2012-08-28 11:30 Tom C wrote
Your comparing Apples to Oranges. Aside from Blackerry/RIM was there a
smartphone before the iPhone?
Palm Treo and other Palm phones
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On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
on 2012-08-28 11:30 Tom C wrote
Your comparing Apples to Oranges. Aside from
on 2012-08-28 15:33 Daniel J. Matyola wrote
I had Palm phones for several years. Calling them smart is overly generous.
i had Palms (without phones) for several years and they were quite smart; they
reminded me of stuff, showed me what stars were overhead, let me work with OPML
outlines …
On 28/8/12, Tom C, discombobulated, unleashed:
Oh yeah I forgot Palm.
Frankly the Windows phone slightly tempted me. Palm never did.
I ran Palms for a few years until the day I was waiting a decade for:
the first iPhone. 24th of November 2007 here in the UK. Got one the very
first day. Haven't
Which is very unfair for those who have great ideas.
You know the circuitry for making efficient car engines? It may easily be
duplicated by software if it is not already. Some millions of dollars research
just to give it away to the competitor. Why bother making clean engines? But we
want
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Steve Cottrell
I used to say that if i was
marooned on a desert island with a choice of either the MacBook Pro or
the iPhone, I'd choose the MBP. Now it's the other way around!
you think the Macbook would choose you?
I had to press the reset button once a week. It hung up a lot. I
had to carry around extra batteries. The only reason I survived is by
backing it up to my computer every day, so I could sync the memory
back into the phone every time it fritzed out. Twice I had Verizon
give me a replacement for
On 28/8/12, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
you think the Macbook would choose you?
Now that is an interesting question! I was watching Terminator 3 (The
Rise of the Machines) again last night with Stef
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I lost my cell phone and got a Palm Pixi from Amazon for $50 since it
has been discontinued. It was using the OS that HP developed (helped
palm develop?). It might have been pretty good if it had some develop
cycles.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/8/12, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed:
I lost my cell phone and got a Palm Pixi from Amazon for $50 since it
has been discontinued. It was using the OS that HP developed (helped
palm develop?). It might have been pretty good if it had some develop
cycles.
Mrs has a Palm Pre
on 2012-08-28 15:43 DagT wrote
Which is very unfair for those who have great ideas.
that's a sweeping statement to which i will withhold my response, but your
individual points below are thought provoking …
You know the circuitry for making efficient car engines? It may easily be
On 28/08/2012 12:32 PM, Tom C wrote:
Is it right to patent
the fact that spreading your fingers means get larger and pinching
them means shrink. Is there another gesture that makes more sense?
Consider for a moment that when I was a mere teenager, a person pulling
up beside you at a red
Den 29. aug. 2012 kl. 00:18 skrev steve harley:
on 2012-08-28 15:43 DagT wrote
You know the circuitry for making efficient car engines? It may easily be
duplicated by software if it is not already. Some millions of dollars
research just to give it away to the competitor. Why bother
On Aug 25, 2012, at 15:27 , Brian Walters wrote:
Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
Darren,
Some of us still hold a grudge on Apple.
We remember our first Apple PC's
and how everything Apple cost 2X what the IBM machines cost,
how nothing - printer, disc drives, monitors, memory
On Aug 25, 2012, at 20:10 , John Sessoms wrote:
From: Daniel J. Matyola
My first computer was an Apple ][. Great computer. I loved it. I
learned Basic, Pascal, Assembler and even a bit of machine language
programing on it. It certainly wasn't plug -and-play, but it was
designed for
On Aug 27, 2012, at 5:26 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
On Aug 25, 2012, at 15:27 , Brian Walters wrote:
Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
Darren,
Some of us still hold a grudge on Apple.
We remember our first Apple PC's
and how everything Apple cost 2X what the IBM machines
On 2012-08-27 6:19, Joseph McAllister wrote:
TS TK NOFORN.
I know what TS and NOFORN are, but what's TK?
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Yes, I also worked with computers that had punch cards in the 1960s.
Dull Boring work.
As I result, I lost my chance to get in on the ground floor. My four
math courses in college were with John Kemeny, then head of the Math
Department, and later President, of Dartmouth College. He told us he
Long ago in a place far away I took a computer course to learn Fortran.
I was convinced that I needed it for my physics degree.
I groused about all this other stuff they were trying to teach me,
different computer languages, Touring machines, computers in general.
Funny how valuable that proved to
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
...
That lasted for a while, then Apple addressed the costs by coming out with
their own (or purchased) fonts design called TrueType that gave damn near the
quality of Adobe's system.
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Fascinating stories.
Joe,
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Daniel J. Matyola
Yes, I also worked with computers that had punch cards in the 1960s.
Dull Boring work.
As I result, I lost my chance to get in on the ground floor. My four
math courses in college were with John
I also learned BASIC in the early 1980s. By then it was passe. I
quickly shifted to PASCAL and assembler.
I suspect that learning and using BASIC in 1960 might have been a much
different situation, however. At that time, it was revolutionary, and
if I had 20 more years of computer experience
The part that mattered and y'all kind of missed was the and don't touch
anything else kid.
I really was a kid, not yet old enough to drive. It was very unusual
someone my age would even be allowed inside the computer room. Not only
was I allowed in, I was allowed to do something, a very VERY
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
John Sessoms
The part that mattered and y'all kind of missed was the and don't
touch anything else kid.
I really was a kid, not yet old enough to drive. It was very unusual
someone my age would even be allowed inside
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 08:46:04AM +0100, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Boris Liberman
On 8/25/2012 8:43 PM, Bob W wrote:
Google, the Big Man? Apple's the biggest company in the world at the
moment.
B
Let me rephrase,
On 26/08/2012 9:30 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
On 8/26/2012 10:36 PM, William Robb wrote:
Lawyers are paid sharks who will find any means possible to an end that
is profitable for their client, executives are paid to protect their
corporate interests and make money (shareholder value).
Pragmatism
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