wait to move up to the latest toy.
Jim A.
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:38:21 -0800
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Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
One needn't upgrade
On 02/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size of
the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you are familiar with? I
suppose one should take the smallest value if the projection changes size
with aperture.
My
, nothing
anywhere
near as small as the APS cropping currently used.
jco
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On 02/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I realize this will vary from lens to lens, but what is the median size
of
the projected image circle on the Pentax lenses you
On 02/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, I'm (mostly) happy with the results I get from the *ist-D.
The problem comes with the shots I *don't* get, for a variety
of reasons (the most common ones being failure of the AF system
to achieve a lock fast enough in low light/low
Thanks Mat, I hoped that was true
ann
Mat Maessen wrote:
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On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:49 AM, John Francis wrote:
I see the K10D as primarily an improvement in ergonomics, not
a needed upgrade for better image quality.
Yes ... Ergonomics, features, responsiveness ... with a small boost
in resolution to boot. Enough to be worth the outlay.
G
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On 1/3/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:49 AM, John Francis wrote:
I see the K10D as primarily an improvement in ergonomics, not
a needed upgrade for better image quality.
Yes ... Ergonomics, features, responsiveness ... with a small boost
in resolution
Plus they could have a choice of keeping the SR on and taking what they
get, which might be some strong vignetting in some areas if the frame
was shaking enough, or putting it on a tripod and not worrying about it.
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On 02/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
WRT actual ergonomics I find that the grip is just too wide to feel
comfortable in my hand and the control wheels are a stretch.
Rob Studdert
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Something about the positioning of the control wheels on the K10D just
doesn't match my fingers. In SV mode, I find that I often change the ISO
On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:52 AM, David Savage wrote:
Yes ... Ergonomics, features, responsiveness ... with a small boost
in resolution to boot. Enough to be worth the outlay.
Well I took a few snaps today with the *istD, minus grip, and I found
myself enjoying it's noticeably smaller size.
Only
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It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard
to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental
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Hi,
depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally
useless. So, this leap can also
Hi,
I don't think so. As a proffessional photographer I am ready to deal
with vignetting and corner blur 'cause someone is paying me for that.
The same time, as an amateur I would NEVER buy a camera that causes me
that kind of (after-processing) pain. How many amateurs per pro in the
world?
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Hi,
depends on the lenses you have. Camera body without lenses is totally
useless. So, this leap can also be a total disaster, especially if you
and ultra wide
relatively speaking.
jco
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Hi,
depends on the lenses
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Some? Do you see any satisfactory Pentax FF wideangle on a market? FA24
will vignette for sure, not speaking of any wider ones. Even Canon
On 03/01/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A 20/2.8, FA 24/2.8. FA 24/2
Maybe A24/2.8 ;-)
The beauty of which is even if there is some vignetting with the FF WA
lenses given that the sensor density would likely be lower the
requirements for absolute resolution would be reduced and CA would
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Some? Do you see any satisfactory Pentax FF wideangle on a market? FA24
will vignette for sure
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35mm is technically speaking a wide angle, but IRL it's not quite a
wide. At least not for my kind of photography. OK, it's a bit
individual
On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And I dont beleive there are no other pentax
wide lenses that would not work as well or better
on FF digital as the necessary shorter lenses do on APS digital. Anyone
know anyone whos used them that way? (
maybe that guy whos using them
On 3/1/07, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty has used a Pentax 15/3.5 on a near FF Canon body and didn't see
to have too many complaints.
which reminds me I have yet to see results with it on a 36X24 body.
Idea: will bring to GFM so will accost a FF user and get a test
Cotty wrote:
On 3/1/07, Digital Image Studio, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty has used a Pentax 15/3.5 on a near FF Canon body and didn't see
to have too many complaints.
which reminds me I have yet to see results with it on a 36X24 body.
Idea: will bring to GFM so will accost a FF user
On 03/01/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe we should take up a collection and send one to the guy who runs
16-9.net. he does quite good lens tests on FF and 1.6x crop bodies, has
been doing a series on 14/15mm's and already has the basic adaptor (He
tested the A* 85/1.4 against the
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 03/01/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe we should take up a collection and send one to the guy who runs
16-9.net. he does quite good lens tests on FF and 1.6x crop bodies, has
been doing a series on 14/15mm's and already has the basic adaptor (He
I indeed hear more and more rumors about upcoming FF sensors and cameras.
Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007
(supposedly first part of 2007).
Nikon is supposed to introduced a pro camera (not 5D-like but more of
an 1Dsmk2-like) in 2007 too based on a ?? sensor (Sony is
Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007
(supposedly first part of 2007).
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Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding
whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any
other expensive DA lens?
Joe
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What type lens mount is Sony using again?
jco
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Sony is supposed to come with an FF
Not me. I'm buying the DA* lenses if I can afford them. I'll be using
my K10 for at least several years. I'm not going to handicap myself on
the basis of what might happen. Plus, I'm sure that even if Pentax
releases a FF camera (which I doubt), they'll continue with their
current line. The
Since my investment now is in Pentax bodies and lenses, and I'm
extremely satisfied with what I can do with them, what Sony does with
their Alpha line is of little immediate interest.
I could really really use a DA28/2 Limited ... that's the one lens I
don't have that would net me the most
... (and happy New Year)
Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007
(supposedly first part of 2007).
-
Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding
whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any
other expensive DA
Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect
that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This
looks like a perfect camera for them.
Joseph Tainter wrote:
Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007
(supposedly first part of 2007).
Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007
(supposedly first part of 2007).
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Is anyone else thinking that this is something to consider when deciding
whether to buy one of the very expensive forthcoming DA* zooms, or any
other expensive DA lens?
-
I should clarify
... (and happy New Year)
Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect
that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This
looks like a perfect camera for them.
Joseph Tainter wrote:
Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007
(supposedly first
/2DA on digital APS I would think for several reasons...
jco
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Since my
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Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera in 2007
(supposedly first part of 2007).
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whether
William Robb wrote on Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:12:42 -0800:
(snip)
The only DA lens I have bought that I could have filled with an FA
lens is
the DA40. I could have bought the FA43 for a lot more money, but on
FF, I
never saw the use for that particular length, so the 40 is a good (and
The DA 40mm seems to be exactly the same formula as the M 40 in a
mechanically different mount. At least Boz seems to think so, since he
uses the same optical diagram for both lenses. There should be no
surprise therefor that the DA 40mm will cover FF 35mm with some light
fall off in the
Joseph Tainter wrote on Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:50:43 -0800:
I should clarify this, since some people thought I was referring to a
possible switch to Sony. That isn't what I meant.
There are many ifs. Here are two: (1) If the rumor is true. (2)If
the
sensor is affordable enough to bring out a
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Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll
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rumors ... (and happy New Year)
It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?)
with regard
to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be
incremental.
Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D.
John
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Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect
that they'll be selling to high volume wedding photographers. This
looks like a perfect camera for them.
Joseph Tainter wrote:
Sony is supposed to come with an FF sensor and camera
But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system.
On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just
as large or possibly even larger leap
than istD to K10D.
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Horrors, what did we do without it!
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system.
On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Jump from APS to FF sensor would be just
as large or possibly even larger leap
than istD to K10D.
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Sometimes I wonder. It's a tremendous asset for anyone who shoots
indoors.
Paul
On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Horrors, what did we do without it!
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system.
On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 22:18:04 -, P. J. Alling
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Horrors, what did we do without it!
Ask Frank.
John
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:
But we would lose image stabilisation in Pentax system.
On 01.01.07, at 22:44 , J. C. O'Connell wrote:
Jump from APS to FF sensor
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From: Jim King Subject: Re: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
Bill, the DA40 seems to cover the FF format very nicely in my tests,
so you haven't lost anything by getting it. It's really a nice
little lens, although a stop slower than I would prefer
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Yes, however if you buy a k10D you'll be set for 4-5 years. I expect
I dont believe that FF digital precludes
body integrated image stabilization.
jco
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, January 01, 2007 5:32 PM
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Sometimes I wonder. It's a tremendous asset for anyone who shoots
indoors.
Paul
On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Horrors, what did we do without it!
Sylwester Pietrzyk
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Not gonna happen. Both Nikon and Canon have essentially plateaued in
their development. Look at the 30D, which may get a mild bump this year
(to the 400D/XTi 10MP sensor and a larger buffer, mostly for marketing).
The only major
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From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
I dont believe that FF digital precludes
body integrated image stabilization.
It will if the usable image circle isn't big enough to cover the sensor
deflection.
Offhand, what is the usable
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I dont
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the magnitude of the image correction lateral movement
needed is very small relative to the
size of the image circle overcoverage
needed. I doubt many high quality pentax
lenses dont already have the necessary,
albeit
Ah, my mail filters were disabled for a few hours during a system
cleanup and this nonsense was received...
On Jan 1, 2007, at 10:04 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
So you want a fast normal APS lens? (28/2DA)?
On FF, you can get a killer 50mm F1.4
for much less money thats twice as fast.
Hell,
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Ah, my mail filters were disabled for a few hours during a system
cleanup and this nonsense was received...
On Jan 1, 2007, at 10:04 AM
Ah, the beginning of a flame war. No need to disparage JCO here. He
was merely stating an opinion, however misinformed it might be. Who
was it who just said:
It's sad to see this whole stupid FF vs APS-C horsepucky again be a
bazillion message thread. Two misnomers make a religious battle it
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Ah, the beginning of a flame war. No need to disparage JCO here. He
was merely stating an opinion, however
It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard
to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental.
Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D.
John
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I hope you are right, John.
I try to resist computer upgrades. But the system
On 1/1/07, Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard
to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental.
Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D.
John
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I hope you are right,
One needn't upgrade a DSLR if it's providing the desired results. In fact,
since I'm mostly just making snap shots these days, I was wondering of I
really need the K10D. I sure want one, and will probably get one, but thus
far I've not done any DSLR work that makes the 10D necessary.
Shel
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One needn't upgrade a DSLR if it's providing the desired results. In fact,
since I'm mostly just making snap shots these days, I was wondering of I
really need the K10D. I sure want one, and will probably get
opinion
part you are referring to?
jco
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Ah, the beginning of a flame
Joseph Tainter wrote:
It's eat your hat time again. I think we have plateaued (?) with regard
to DSLR functionality, and further improvements will be incremental.
Certainly nothing like the leap from the *ist D to the K10D.
John
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I hope you are right, John.
I try to resist computer
On 1/2/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm getting nagging email from FIrefox taht I should upgrade to 1.5.0.9
If you're already running an older 1.5.0.x version of firefox, yes you
should. It's only bug fixes, no functionality changes.
-Mat
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From: J. C. O'ConnellSubject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
You really missed the entire point of my post,
It was in reference to a FF camera,
Godders doesn't believe in vapourware.
William Robb
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On 1/2/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I resemble that remark - upgraded to Netscape 7.0 too...
I'm getting nagging email from FIrefox taht I should upgrade to 1.5.0.9
Any reason I should or shouldn't?
There is no difference that the user will notice. I recommend updating it.
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From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: More rumors ... (and happy New Year)
I should rephrase that, the amount
of overcoverage needed for AS is small
relative to the size of the image
circle or diagonal on a FF sensor.
I realize this will vary from lens to lens
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