page of links.
Best, Ben
On 6/28/2017 3:36 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
John, Jon, list,
We had a chapter-by-chapter slow read of Stjernfelt's _Natural
Propositions_ here at peirce-l during January to June 2014. Arisbe has
a page of links to the threads. (There are links to IUPUI archives
John, Jon, list,
We had a chapter-by-chapter slow read of Stjernfelt's _Natural
Propositions_ here at peirce-l during January to June 2014. Arisbe has a
page of links to the threads. (There are links to IUPUI archives, gmane
archives, and mail archives. The gmane links mostly don't work but
Gary, list,
My understanding is that "3. The total amount of matter and energy is
conserved" is not a dogma of science and contradicts current physical
theory, which argues that the total energy (including mass) of the
universe increases as the universe expands, and would decrease if the
llio Viola (Berlin).
Tags: Berlin, diagrams, drawings, iconicity, Peirce, visual thinking
[END QUOTE]
Best, Ben
*On 4/7/2017 6:33 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:*
List,
It seems that all of Peirce's manuscripts at Harvard are now viewable
online at a Humboldt University site. Maybe they've p
List,
It seems that all of Peirce's manuscripts at Harvard are now viewable
online at a Humboldt University site. Maybe they've put the old
microfiche images online or maybe the images are recently made. Only a
few (Robin Catalogue) MSS numbers seem missing.
te:
List, Ben:
Your recent posts contribute to a rather curious insight into CSP’s
beliefs about the relationships between mathematics, chemistry and
logic of scientific hypotheses.
On Mar 2, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Jon S., list,
As far as I can tell, satisficing is just a third way between
optimization and bare-minimum constraint satisfaction (any feasible
solution). Same forest of decision-making and trade-offs; different tree.
Herbert Simon: "...decision makers can satisfice either by finding
.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> -
twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt>
On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Clark Goble <cl...@lextek.com
<mailto:cl...@lextek.com>> wrote:
On Mar 2, 2017, at 9:58 AM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
er.) The excessive attention tion to side issues, when the main
ideas are still so underexplained, would be less worrisome if Peirce
had explained himself more fully elsewhere; but so far as we know, he
did not.
* Charles S. Peirce. Philosophy of Mathematics: Selected Writings
(Kind
Eric, none of the statements that you quoted in your 2/14/2017 message
originate with Peirce.
Peirce held that logic generally involves icons (including diagrams and
not only graphic-looking ones), indices, and symbols, and he saw all
three kinds of signs as needed. Remember also that Peirce
, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com> wrote:
You wrote, regarding universe of discourse, "Like you I tend to think
most of the debate on all this depends upon equivocation over terms."
Actually I don't have an opinion on that, instead I thought that in
the parti
sometimes tempting
kind of equivocation. We like ambiguities, puns, and so on. (Diving is
okay, sinking is not so good.)
On 2/13/2017 6:54 PM, Clark Goble wrote:
On Feb 11, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On the sign's object a
cations sound about right?
So, I am satisfied that your argument fits within my understanding of
fallibilism and Peirce's emphasis on the scientific method. Thanks for
helping to clarify my thinking! I think this does place Horace before
Descartes.
Best, Mike
On 2/11/2017 12:45 PM, Benjamin
Eric, Jon S., list,
I don't think that the nominalist and realist views are symmetrical as
you suggest with regard to generals and individuals. A Peircean realist
will say that individuals have some generality but still can only be in
one place at a time, unlike "more-general" generals, and
Hi, Clark, list,
Clark, regarding a paper by De Tienne, you wrote,
Does anyone happen to have a copy they could post to the list?
Gary and I would prefer that nobody attach and send a paper that's not
their own to the list without permission of the
author/copyright-holder. It results not
And here's a Lyris peirce-l archive search that finds 23 results for
Orliaguet triad trichotomy
http://lyris.ttu.edu/read//vtable.tml?f=search::results=read/search=1118ef1a=searchresultsviewtable=20==0=peirce-l=orliaguet+triad+trichotomy=3=01
I don't know whether that gets all the
triad involving all three
categories in relation in any context, semeiotic or otherwise),
while--as I would express it--not all triads are trichotomic. Again,
certainly a trichotomy can be a simple, non-categorial division into
three, but I don't see how one can claim this "generally&quo
Kirsti, Jerry, list,
Kirsti is generally correct. I remember years ago at peirce-l when
Orliaguet made the same point (with superfluous sarcasm) to Kirsti. He
quoted a passage by Peirce that required understanding the term "triad"
to refer to the three correlates in triadic action with one
ss field.
Best, Ben
On 1/17/2017 6:35 AM, kirst...@saunalahti.fi wrote:
Ben,
Are there omitted parts in your quotes? Marked by -?
Best, Kirsti
Benjamin Udell kirjoitti 15.1.2017 20:05:
Jon A.S., Kirsti, list,
Regarding Peirce about reflected-on qualities as generals, I was
basing that on th
Gary F., Jon A.S., list,
Gary F., when Peirce in Harvard Lecture 6 says that "the totality of all
real objects" is a "singular", he is pretty clearly discussing that
which he elsewhere calls an individual. Jon A.S. was discussing
singulars in Peirce's other sense of "singular," that which can
Jon A.S., Kirsti, list,
Regarding Peirce about reflected-on qualities as generals, I was basing
that on the same text as contains CP 1.427 quoted by Jon A.S. That is
"§2. Quality" http://www.textlog.de/4282.html in "The Logic of
Mathematics; An Attempt to Develop My Categories From Within,"
midt
<http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> -
twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt>
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Jon S., list,
_/Universum/ _ in the sense of the whole worl
cation of generality with continuity leads me to
think that every general is a continuum of possibilities. Hence
multiple instantiations of the same general are not identical, just
different parts of the same continuum, which is why they are continua
themselves and not necessarily distinguis
They're Chiasson's quotes (with at least one rephrashing by her) of
Peirce from a passage in:
Peirce, Charles S. (1905 April), "What Pragmatism Is", /The Monist/ , v.
XV, n. 2, pp. 161–181
https://books.google.com/books?id=j6oLIAAJ=PA161-IA22 . Oxford
PDF
dIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt
<http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> -
twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt>
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Sorry, I forgot to adjust the ema
Sorry, I forgot to adjust the email message subject line. Repaired here.
- Best, Ben
Jon S., Gary R., Jon A., list,
As promised in my previous message, here is the first off-list response
that I made to Jon S.'s messages in this thread to peirce-l:
Jon S.,
You've out-researched me! I'm not
Jon S., Gary R., Jon A., list,
As promised in my previous message, here is the first off-list response
that I made to Jon S.'s messages in this thread to peirce-l:
Jon S.,
You've out-researched me! I'm not sure what to say on-list at this
point. I found some backup for some of your claims.
year!
Hope you are both experiencing a good start of 2017.
Best,
Gary
Gary Richmond
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-- Forwarded message --
From: Benjamin Udell
C.S. Peirce Manuscripts (at From the Page), project of Jeff Downard and
others:
http://fromthepage.com/collection/show?collection_id=16
Best, Ben
On 1/4/2017 1:29 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Also see §9 "Genesis of the Letter Shapes (Separate the Box)" in
"Untapped Potential of
propositions. Graphs, algebra of dyadic relations,
linear associative algebra, nonions.
http://www.iupui.edu/~peirce/robin/robin_fm/toc_frm.htm
<http://www.iupui.edu/%7Epeirce/robin/robin_fm/toc_frm.htm>
Best, Ben
On 1/4/2017 12:36 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Harry, Jon A,
Irving Anel
Harry, Jon A,
Irving Anellis (deceased a few years ago) wrote two brief papers arguing
that Peirce deserves credit for the propositional truth table.
"The Genesis of the Truth Table Device" (Abstract, with link to the paper)
https://escarpmentpress.org/russelljournal/article/view/2056
· 2 Natural Dialogic
· 1 Apocalypse: Opening Time
/*Universe* / • The Point
o Home page <http://www.gnusystems.ca/gnoxic.htm> .
On 1/2/2017 5:32 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
--
List,
I finally got around to updating the book list for 2015 at Arisbe, and
will soon get started on a new Arisbe page for books from 2016 onward
which will include among others a new book by Tony Jappy _Peirce's
Twenty-Eight Classes of Signs and the Philosophy of Representation_,
which see
Kirsti, John FS, list,
Generally, concerns about appropriateness of others' messages should be
addressed off-list to the manager and moderator Gary Richmond, and
Kirsti may have already attempted that. Unfortunately, Gary is traveling
and won't be back online till the second week of January.
Gary R., Clark, list,
Yes, the grad student in 2005. I don't know whether s/he was a student
at all, but I had reached the point of exasperation in silly but polite
arguments with the person, so I starting saying things like "I don't
know what your teachers are telling you, but..." and saying
, kirst...@saunalahti.fi wrote:
If Wikipedia is taken as a scientific authority, then the situation is
really bad.
Kirsti
Jerry LR Chandler kirjoitti 11.12.2016 22:36:
Ben, List:
On Dec 11, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com>
wrote:
According to Wikipedia, the Planck length is,
er.
Your remarks on chemistry are over my head, but that's easy to do!
Best, Ben
On 12/12/2016 2:20 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote:
List, Ben, John:
On Dec 12, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Clark, list,
Yes, the que
PM, Clark Goble wrote:
On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
So quantum gravity theories are not 100% untestable in current practice.
There have been some that as you note could be tested. The big ones
though can’t alth
Clark, John, list,
I think we need to distinguish between pragmaticist meaningfulness, -
clarity of conceivable, imaginable practical implications - and
questions of methodeutic economy of inquiry.
[Quote Peirce]
Thirdly, if pragmatism is the doctrine that every conception is a
11:14 AM, Clark Goble wrote:
(Sorry somehow managed to send this to the old list number. Stupid
Apple Mail.)
On Dec 11, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
According to Wikipedia, the Planck length is, in principle, within a
search has borne it out.
Best, Ben
On 12/11/2016 11:17 PM, John F Sowa wrote:
On 12/11/2016 7:44 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
if electrical field theory contradicts quantum mechanics and the
uncertainty principle, then it is valid (at most) only in a classical
limit.
Quantum Electrodyn
of electrical field theory preceded W. Heisenberg by
several decades.
Cheers
Jerry
On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Jerry, list,
It has to do with the uncertainty principle. Here's an excerpt from a
discussion &q
Ben
On 12/11/2016 3:36 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote:
Ben, List:
On Dec 11, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
According to Wikipedia, the Planck length is, in principle, within a
factor of 10, the shortest measurable leng
Sorry, I don't know why my link to the 2014 abstract of "Test of Lorentz
invariance with atmospheric neutrinos" got messed up. Here it is again:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1410.4267
Also corrected below.
Best, Ben
On 12/11/2016 2:48 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Gary R., Helmut, list
Gary R., Helmut, list,
I think that that's pessimistic and that Peirce would agree. The problem
for string theory and any other theory of quantum gravity is that, for
people to test its distinctive predictions with a collider, the collider
would need to be as big as the observed universe; so
I've dug a few things up, some of it interesting, some of it also ugly.
Peirce had more than one mood.
Last pagragraph in Peirce's review in _The Nation_, Vol. 67, Aug. 25,
1898, 153-155, of _The Psychology of Suggestion_ by Boris Sidis with an
introduction by William James.
Gary, Frithjof, John, list,
I'm no longer sure whether the audios were of lectures by Zeman or by
Don D. Roberts. I can't find anything about them in emails on my
computer. I'm not sure whether Nathan sent them to us or maybe gave us
access in some other way. Sorry for my faulty memory.
Gary Richmond and I will be looking into preserving it. Meanwhile I
visited both http://users.clas.ufl.edu/jzeman/ and
http://www.existentialgraphs.com/ and made sure that every page that i
could find would be saved by the Wayback Machine if it was not already
saved there. The majority turned
re you may find much of the page to be missing. I'll try again
tomorrow. - Best, Ben
On 10/4/2016 8:06 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Gary R., list,
The new book about Peirce's concept of habit obviously deserves an
entry at Arisbe. It's time for me to create a new page for books
publis
re you may find much of the page to be missing. I'll try again
tomorrow. - Best, Ben
On 10/4/2016 8:06 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
-
PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L
to this message. PEIRCE-L po
re you may find much of the page to be missing. I'll try again
tomorrow. - Best, Ben
On 10/4/2016 8:06 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Gary R., list,
The new book about Peirce's concept of habit obviously deserves an
entry at Arisbe. It's time for me to create a new page for books
publis
Gary R., list,
The new book about Peirce's concept of habit obviously deserves an entry
at Arisbe. It's time for me to create a new page for books published in
2016 or after. Meanwhile, I need to add some more books to the page for
books 2006-2015. Peter Lang published in December 2015 a
olving "would-be's" might inform inquiry
into those fields concerned with human behavior and institutions, such
as sociology, anthropology, etc?
Best,
Gary R
Gary Richmond
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Communication Studies
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ersity of New York
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On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Gary R., list,
"Good" is traditionally taken as meaning "valid" or "justified" when
lanSchmidt <http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt>
On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Gary R., list,
"Good" is traditionally taken as meaning "valid" or "justified"
Best,
Gary R
Gary Richmond
*Gary Richmond
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Communication Studies
LaGuardia College of the City University of New York
C 745
718 482-5690*
On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
-
Jon S., Gary R., Jerry R., list, I left one point murky; what I had
failed to see clearly, until Jon S.'s remarks, was that 5.189 can't be
regarded as a version, the best as Jerry R. has been urging, or
otherwise, of the pragmatic maxim. - Best, Ben
On 10/1/2016 11:20 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote
I left one point murky; what I had failed to see clearly, until Jon S.'s
remarks, was that 5.189 can't be regarded as a version, the best as
Jerry R. has been urging, or otherwise, of the pragmatic maxim. - Best, Ben
On 10/1/2016 11:20 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Jon S., Gary R., list,
Jon
Jon S., Gary R., list,
Jon, you wrote,
CP 5.189 can and does produce hypotheses that "explain the facts,"
yet are /not/ "capable of experimental verification," and thus are
/not/ admissible for subsequent deductive explication and inductive
evaluation. In other words, an abduction
Also see Peirce discussing the difference between logical classification
and natural classification in "Triadomany", CP 1.568-572
http://www.textlog.de/4336.html
Best, Ben
On 9/29/2016 2:19 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote:
Mike, List:
Glad to be of service! In the meantime, you might review
hypotheses, the
pertinent discussion starts around EP 2:106 (CP 7.218).
Best, Ben
On 9/26/2016 2:53 PM, Clark Goble wrote:
On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Remember that in the Carnegie Application (1902) he said,
&quo
as separate issues of abduction, but as
pertaining to different levels of logic - very apples versus oranges. -
Best, Ben
On 9/26/2016 2:01 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Jeff D., Gary R., list,
Peirce held that the question of whether a hypothesis explains a
phenomenon, and how plausibly it does
s--and I'll see what might
be done to make the diagrams clearer.
--Jeff
Jeffrey Downard
Associate Professor
Department of Philosophy
Northern Arizona University
(o) 928 523-8354
From: Benjamin Udell [baud...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 12:15
was, initially, quite
surprising.
--Jeff
Jeffrey Downard
Associate Professor
Department of Philosophy
Northern Arizona University
(o) 928 523-8354
*From:* Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2016 9:50 AM
*To:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu
*Subject:* Re: [PEI
Jeff D., Gary R., list,
Your quote from "A Neglected Argument..." bears on plausibility, which
Peirce elsewhere in the same essay discusses as natural, instinctual
simplicity; it bears upon assurance by instinct; I don't find him
discussing methodeutical justification (e.g., testability) of
hypothesis. Is the same
true of the alternate hypotheses?
Best,
Gary R
[Gary Richmond]
Gary Richmond
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Communication Studies
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*On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:*
Jeff, E
Jeff, Edwina, list,
I've just a few quibbles, nothing major.
Jeff, you wrote:
Every inference is, in one way or another, valid as a pattern of
inference, including those that are instinctive. Those that appear
to be invalid are patterns of inference that are, themselves, valid,
but
head>
Dear Ben N., list,
Let's also thank Gary Fuhrman for being more optimistic than I was about
whether past CD-ROM customers could still obtain online subscriptions to
InteLex even today. I subsequently contacted InteLex and the person
there confirmed that that is still the policy.
Ben N., list,
Ben N., you wrote,
It is not worth going further into why--unless someone knows a way
to get around the disabling of Intelex CDs as a result of their change.
[end quote]
The old InteLex CD-ROMs became unusable not because of being disabled by
InteLex but because of
Clark, Edwina, list,
Clark, you wrote, "Later process theologians were explicitly influenced
by Peirce despite many of Peirce’s writings being difficult to find at
the time."
It seems a good bet that this was because Charles Hartshorne, who, along
with Paul Weiss, edited the Collected
e first person to self-project into Peirce.
Best, Ben
On 8/16/2016 12:46 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Jerry, list,
You're misusing 'icon' and 'index' from an example involving a visual
artifact (the icon) by Chiasson. She is not saying that all surprises
are icons or that all explanations are
Jerry, Jon S., list,
Jerry, it sounds like you're arguing against yourself. It was you who
claimed that Peirce himself thought that CP 5.189 —
The surprising fact, C, is observed;
But if A were true, C would be a matter of course,
Hence, there is reason to suspect
Best, Ben
On 6/29/2016 2:00 PM, Clark Goble wrote:
On Jun 29, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Immediate objects may have averageness but the averageness seems not
definitive of them, and Peirce never makes it so.
&g
by verisimilitude. I also wonder whether an immediate
object could be marked by deductive novelty or nontriviality.
Best, Ben
On 6/24/2016 2:47 PM, Clark Goble wrote:
On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:14 PM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com > wrote:
Peirce somewhere talks about taking a compan
Clark, list,
Those seem to be passages from the Wikipedia Charles Sanders Peirce
article or the Wikipedia Semiotic elements and classes of signs article
in the form that they had some years ago as a result of my edits. Two of
the paragraphs were already there, written by I don't know who,
the interpretive variations may reflect either some falsity
somewhere or variations in the question or in one's identification of
the object.
Best, Ben
On 6/13/2016 1:39 PM, Clark Goble wrote:
On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Benjamin Udell <baud...@gmail.com
<mailto:baud...@gmail.com> >
Gary f., list
You wrote,
The sign
[quote Peirce] is determined by the object, but in no other
respect than goes to enable it to act upon the interpreting
quasi-mind; and the more perfectly it fulfills its function as a
sign, the less effect it has upon that
Thanks, Jerry C.
Shook has posted his paper at:
https://www.academia.edu/25176618/2016_Shook_-_Abduction_Complex_Inferences_and_Emergent_Heuristics_of_Scientific_Inquiry
*On 5/25/2016 12:51 PM, Jerry LR Chandler wrote:*
List
In view of the the extended discussion of abduction, I thought the
ystem, esp. a
social one: adaption, goal attainment, integration and latency.
Best,
Helmut
*23. Mai 2016 um 03:08 Uhr
"Benjamin Udell"*
Helmut, list,
My fours don't align with Peirce's four methods of inquiry. In
https://tetrast2.blogspot.com/2013/04/methods-of-learning.html ,
you'll
Gary F., Jon A.S., list,
I'm not sure why an argument has developed over whether human activity
proceeds from dissatisfaction or positive desire, etc. Usually we regard
those as various ways of talking about the same multifaceted phenomena.
A desire for something implies dissatisfaction with
Helmut, list,
My fours don't align with Peirce's four methods of inquiry. In
https://tetrast2.blogspot.com/2013/04/methods-of-learning.html , you'll
find Peirce's three inferior methods scattered around a large table at
the post's end. Peirce's fourth method, the scientific method, is also
Jon A.S., list,
I discussed it many years ago on peirce-l. I don't know how much of what
I said then I'd still say now. Generally I'm doubtful of ideas of the
true as a species of the good or vice versa. I suspect that that's like
trying to see momentum as a species of energy, or vice versa.
Helmut, list,
Yep, Pound was a fascist who, through the intercession of influential
friends, managed to receive nothing more than commitment to an
institution for the insane after broadcasting propaganda for the Axis in
WW2 (unlike William Joyce, "Lord Haw-Haw", who got hanged). Oddly
Jon S., Gary F., Gary R., list,
This branch of the thread started when Gary R. spoke of "applied
science" in a context where he (and Peirce) would usually say "practical
science" or "the arts" — _/techne/_, know-how, at least when _/techne/_
means something more than sheer skill, dexterity,
Jon A., list,
When criticizing a long post or a series of posts, it's good to quote
the words, or at least typical instances of the words, with which one
disagrees or which at any rate occasioned one's criticism. That is what
I had in mind in saying that your criticism was "precise in itself
take your pick.)
To be continued ...
Jon
On 5/2/2016 1:27 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Jon A., Jon S., Gary R., Edwina,
Jon A., I see a problem with your criticism, in that
it seems precise in itself yet too vague in application.
It's not apparent to me that Gary R. or Jon S. or I have
been
Tom, list,
Your claim, if true, would come as a big surprise to Peirce and
everybody who has seriously studied abductive inference in particular
and inference in general.
By an informal transference of sense, "abduction" can refer to the
abductive conclusion, likewise as "deduction" can
Jon S., Gary R., list,
My diagram arises from a particular account by Peirce of deduction. Gary
R. may have some other passages from Peirce in mind.
Best, Ben
On 5/1/2016 4:18 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote:
List:
Ben U. and I seem to be on the same page here. He diagrammed
deduction thus
Jeff D., Gary R., list,
I'm inclined to agree with a lot of what you say in 1. and 2. I'm not
sure about 3., because I don't know much about today's ideas about
'tacit knowledge' and 'expertise' in some sort of contrast with such
ideas in Peirce's time.
As to 2., some of the issues are
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Gary R., list,
I got careless in my previous message.
I said that "There is
Peirce means by abductive generalization, but there it is.
Best, Ben
On 4/28/2016 3:10 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Hi, Gary,
I agree with most of what you say, only I don't see hypothesization of
a rule in the beans example. On the other hand, Peirce is explicit
about hypothesizing a new gen
Peirce means by abductive generalization, but there it is.
Best, Ben
On 4/28/2016 3:10 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
Hi, Gary,
I agree with most of what you say, only I don't see hypothesization of
a rule in the beans example. On the other hand, Peirce is explicit
about hypothesizing a new gen
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
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Emotions, or emotion-producing characteristics, can be predicates, as
you say. The emotion of surprise mentioned in some of Peirce's schemata
of abductive inference is not among the terms (subject, middle,
predicate) under consideration there. They pertain instead to the
-it is known.
Best,
Gary R
Gary Richmond
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On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote:
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s into a syllogistic format:
ALL beans from these bags are black.
Some [surprise!] beans are black
Therefore, some beans are from that bag.
I've got three terms:
beans from these bags
some beans
black
Format: PM/SM/SP
And it's invalid. Fallacies of the undistributed middle and
undistributed major
etical not deductive or inductive.
Edwina
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From: Benjamin Udell
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Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Is CP 5.189 a syllogism?
Jon S., Jerry R., Edwina, Jim W., Ben N., list,
"Syllogism&qu
Jon S., Jerry R., Edwina, Jim W., Ben N., list,
"Syllogism" has been used more broadly in the past. I checked the
Century Dictionary's definition of syllogism, of which Peirce was in charge.
List of words beginning with "S" at PEP-UQÁM:
Jeff, Jon, Gary F., list,
As I recall, Peirce regarded relations of reaction and resemblance as
"real" relations in the sense that they do not _/depend/_ on
interpretation.
Now, reaction is a second, but resemblance is a third (in Peirce's
system, as I recall; note that resemblance is not
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