Hi Edwin,
i am doing this on openbsd by the way in case it would help.
...
./bin/picolisp:lib/ht: undefined symbol 'Nil'
...
./bin/picolisp:lib/ht: undefined symbol 'prin'
...
./bin/picolisp:lib/ht: undefined symbol 'Env'
...
This looks very much like a dynamic loading problem. The
Hi Alex,
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wrote:
I didn't test under OpenBSD since last year. Something's wrong with the
link flags (PICOLISP-FLAGS or DYNAMIC-LIB-FLAGS) in src/Makefile?
will check.
thank you
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Hi Alex,
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Edwin Eyan Moragas e...@yndy.org wrote:
I didn't test under OpenBSD since last year. Something's wrong with the
link flags (PICOLISP-FLAGS or DYNAMIC-LIB-FLAGS) in src/Makefile?
will check.
thank you
no problems with the link flags as far as i can
Hi Edwin,
no problems with the link flags as far as i can tell. it compiles cleanly.
OK
diverging a bit. what's picolisp's protocol of loading shared libs?
A simple dlopen() followed by dlsym(). This happens e.g. in src/main.c
in the sharedLib() function.
the errors i posted earlier
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.de wr=
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Hi Edwin,
no problems with the link flags as far as i can tell. it compiles cleanl=
y.
OK
diverging a bit. what's picolisp's protocol of loading shared libs?
A simple dlopen() followed by dlsym(). This
Hi all,
built picoLisp, fetched the wiki, untarred it, then followed the
instructions here:
http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg01556.html
in summary it went like:
$ cd ~/picoLisp
$ mkdir -p db/wiki
$ ./dbg wiki/main.l lib/too.l -main wiki/init.l -go
opened the browser
Hi all,
fyi, the maintenance GUI of the wiki (http://wiki.picolisp.com;, or via
My account after loggin in to http://home.picolisp.com;) now has a
new menu item help.
Besides showing the wiki markup syntax (the same as help in the wiki
itself), it allows you to upload and render a local markup
Hi Alex,
Here is a demo of what I was thinking of:
http://folk.uio.no/jkleiser/pico/experiment/timeoutdemo.html
If you think it could be useful, you can pick the parts you like.
Another detail:
When one logs into the wiki, and then later logs out, the timeout info
should be removed
scheduled
time when the server process will terminate, unless a new event arrives.
My customers gave me very positive feedback about it. The only fault is
that it doesn't show client local time, but the time of the server's
time zone, so it is not really suited for the Wiki perhaps.
Still
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:52:06AM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
My customers gave me very positive feedback about it. The only fault is
that it doesn't show client local time, but the time of the server's
Showing the timeout in the client's local time would unfortunately
require JavaScript
I'll fix this one, however my plan is to try and move this stuff to the
picolisp wiki so that anyone can fix anything.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.dewrote:
Hi Henrik,
just a minor detail: In
http://www.prodevtips.com/2008/03/29/registers
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:07:20AM +0200, Henrik Sarvell wrote:
I'll fix this one, however my plan is to try and move this stuff to the
picolisp wiki so that anyone can fix anything.
Yes, good idea. Thanks.
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symbol underlining, into my .vimrc.
Having said this, however, I'm willing to include your JS part into the
Wiki, if a democratic majority votes for it. Until now I found myself
rather standing alone with my opinion, so I suspect that many people
will like it.
Here my request to all: Should we extend
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 04:07:26PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
Having said this, however, I'm willing to include your JS part into the
Wiki, if a democratic majority votes for it. Until now I found myself
One other problem I have with including this highlighting into the wiki:
The file
wrong the word will stay black and not some other color.
You only need pico.js, jquery.js and chili.js, the rest is highlighting for
other languages and unnecessary stuff with regards to the wiki.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.dewrote:
On Sun, Apr 25
Hi Henrik,
just a minor detail: In
http://www.prodevtips.com/2008/03/29/registers-and-quoting-in-pico-lisp
you mention to start the system as
./p dbg.l
This is the way it used to be. However, while this is not really wrong,
the recommended way in the docu is now to use
./dbg
The
Hi Jon,
I wanted to delete my imagetestopera document from the wiki, but
both the Edit and the Delete buttons are disabled. Why?
Oops, sorry!
There were two errors:
- The Member role didn't have the Delete permission enabled.
That's why that button was disabled for non-admin users
Hi Alex,
On 4/23/10 11:02 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
Hi Jon,
I wanted to delete my imagetestopera document from the wiki, but
both the Edit and the Delete buttons are disabled. Why?
Oops, sorry!
There were two errors:
- The Member role didn't have the Delete permission enabled
Hi Jon,
I'm just curious: Why is there now a TimeOut message in red as soon as I
try to log in at picolisp.com?
That's a new feature. I've also included it into other applications.
It should make the situation in a seesion more clear to the user, and
avoid surprises when the timeout expires.
Hi Jon,
If I use file -bI instead, I get image/jpeg.
That's what I suspected. The 'file' command behaves different on Linux
and Mac (-bI vs -bi).
We must either dispatch depending on the '*OS' global, or find a
portable way.
Does the 'file' command on Mac OS support the '--mime'
Hi Alex,
Hi Jon,
I have also tried this with Firefox on Mac. No image showing there
either.
...
I believe this probably isn't really a PicoLisp wiki problem.
I've changed my mind: I think this is a PicoLisp wiki problem. ;-)
After all, I have successfully uploaded a wiki logo and a picture
Hi Jon,
I've changed my mind: I think this is a PicoLisp wiki problem. ;-)
Yes, it must be somehow.
After all, I have successfully uploaded a wiki logo and a picture of
myself to my local wiki. It's just the embedded ones, {...} and {...}, I
have problems with.
The difference may
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 01:26:39PM +0200, Alexander Burger wrote:
The difference may be that the logo and the picture in the +User object
have the correct file extension. In case of the logo it is .png, and
for the user picture it is .jpg.
In case of the (embeddedable) blobs it it just .d,
Hi Alex,
Hi Jon,
I've changed my mind: I think this is a PicoLisp wiki problem. ;-)
Yes, it must be somehow.
After all, I have successfully uploaded a wiki logo and a picture of
myself to my local wiki. It's just the embedded ones, {...} and {...},
I
have problems with.
The difference
tried to replace line 119 in wiki/er.l, (line T) ) ) ) ), with (msg
(line T)) ) ) ) ), and restarted with
$ ./dbg wiki/main.l lib/too.l -main -trace 'httpEcho -go
but this far I've seen nothing special, mostly httpEcho lines. I expect
stderr to come in my terminal window just like stdout
Hi Jon,
This far I can see no difference. I copied the entire db/wiki/ from my
previous picoLisp installation to the new one. I'm afraid that's how far
I'll come today. Maybe I'll find some time tomorrow.
This I understand now, as the file extension was not the problem.
The changes fixed
/jpeg; charset=binary?
No, I get just regular file, both for the .d files and for .jpg files.
If I use file -bI instead, I get image/jpeg.
/Jon
I tried to replace line 119 in wiki/er.l, (line T) ) ) ) ), with (msg
(line T)) ) ) ) ), and restarted with
$ ./dbg wiki/main.l lib/too.l -main -trace
Hi,
I would like to try the PicoLisp wiki code on my own machine, but I'm
not sure what's the right way to launch it. Can the wiki directory be
outside the picoLisp directory? Which should be the current directory?
/Jon
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Hi Jon,
I would like to try the PicoLisp wiki code on my own machine, but
I'm not sure what's the right way to launch it. Can the wiki
directory be outside the picoLisp directory? Which should be the
current directory?
I wouldn't recommend that, as most path names assume a local
installation
Hi Alex,
On 4/14/10 10:44 AM, Alexander Burger wrote:
Hi Jon,
I would like to try the PicoLisp wiki code on my own machine, but
I'm not sure what's the right way to launch it. Can the wiki
directory be outside the picoLisp directory? Which should be the
current directory?
I wouldn't
Hi all!
Alex, IMHO there is no need to switch on locale selection at the moment
Best Regards,
Mansur
So what is the general opinion? Should I put back in the locale
selection? This would imply, however, that we also must prepare
translations in all languages for the wiki-specific texts
Hi Jon,
And, will it be a way to select a language other than English?
you mean like this?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=enie=UTF-8sl=entl=csu=http://home.picolisp.com/prev=_t
:-)
Tomas
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Hi Tomas,
you mean like this?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=enie=UTF-8sl=entl=csu=http://home.picolisp.com/prev=_t
Hm, well, I take this as another vote not to introduce language
selection (I tried the german version of that ;-)
Cheers,
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that even that was way too complex and came to the
conclusion that a wiki for a small community should be something like
the ultimate and first wiki ever http://c2.com/cgi/wiki which I find
brilliant both regarding content and implementation;-)
I have not much experience and overview. I just
Hi Tomas,
Hi Jon,
And, will it be a way to select a language other than English?
you mean like this?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=enie=UTF-8sl=entl=csu=http://home.picolisp.com/prev=_t
:-)
Tomas
Not exactly ;-), but I'm quite impressed by the quality of Google's
Norwegian
Hi Alex,
It's great to see the wiki is up and running!
I tried to log in, but of course I don't remember if I already have a
name and password, and if I have, what that might be. As I tried
different combinations, however, I noticed that every now and then the
red-on-yellow message
,
picture), view your contributions, and even delete your account if you
like.
And, will it be a way to select a language other than English?
To be true, I removed the language selection, because I thought it
doesn't make sense in such a wiki. The language would only affect the
GUI fields and buttons
.
And, will it be a way to select a language other than English?
To be true, I removed the language selection, because I thought it
doesn't make sense in such a wiki. The language would only affect the
GUI fields and buttons, but not he wiki contents, of course. As all
documents in the wiki
Hi all,
since yesterday, the first version of the wiki is running.
The entry point is at http://home.picolisp.com;. The DB maintenance GUI
can be reached at http://wiki.picolisp.com; and the sources are
available in http://software-lab.de/wiki.tgz;.
It uses a minimal markup syntax so far
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Jon Kleiser wrote:
On 1/14/10 10:30 AM, Boh Yap wrote:
hi alex,
I am the one that is impressed by what you have done.. PicoLisp.
..
Hi Boh Yap,
I think your logos are quite elegant. I have made some tweaks to the 3-armed
variant lately, but they probably are not as
Yes, I like the second one too. But I like Boh's too. Boh's is more a
logo and the garden sprinkler is more a symbol, more abstract.
The question then is; do we want that or do we want more of a normal logo?
/Henrik
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, TC tc.ru...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan
Really nice work on the second variant Jon. Gets my vote :)
Martin
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On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 02:05:59PM +0100, Henrik Sarvell wrote:
Yes, I like the second one too. But I like Boh's too. Boh's is more a
logo and the garden sprinkler is more a symbol, more abstract.
True. But then we should remember that Jon's first one (with the
straight bars) would be
On 1/14/10 10:30 AM, Boh Yap wrote:
hi alex,
I am the one that is impressed by what you have done.. PicoLisp.
..
Hi Boh Yap,
I think your logos are quite elegant. I have made some tweaks to the
3-armed variant lately, but they probably are not as elegant as yours.
They can be seen here:
Hi Boh Yap, hi Jon, hi all,
now we have a larger and larger supply of nice and interesting logos :-)
It is getting difficult to choose one. How can we proceed? I feel I
cannot decide it. Can we use some democratic process, where everybody
who is interested posts a vote for his favourite logo? I
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 09:27:10AM +1100, Eugene wrote:
Very strange !!!
Maybe it's a over zealous outgoing mail filter at my end.
Could it be my fault? Does the picoLisp mailing list mess up something?
This mailing list is handled by the script misc/mailing, which is also
included in the
Hi all,
now I finished a first working version of the basic wiki system.
working in the sense that it can manage its own pages. That is, the
start page www.picolisp.com is in the DB, it can be modified and
re-generated.
This is a Zero-GUI / Zero-Parser implementation. The GUI is just
Hi Boh,
No apology required. The choice of a logo is a community effort.
In these early stages, brainstorming is encouraged.
Thank you for sharing your ideas.
Boh Yap wrote:
hi alex, all
althoug I've been following this picolisp list, I have not been very
active, largely because my
Wow, beautiful! I'm really impressed!
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Very strange !!!
Maybe it's a over zealous outgoing mail filter at my end.
It was only a very simple image.
Here's a fixed width courier font rendition.
\
\
\
/\
//\\
// \\
//\\
/
/
/
Basically, it's like the three
On 1/7/10 11:56 PM, Eugene wrote:
Hi Eugene,
For some reason, your mails seem all empty in my Thunderbird mail app.,
and when I check
http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/maillist.html, I
cannot find your mails there either. Are you operating in stealth mode? ;-)
/Jon
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On 1/7/10 11:56 PM, Eugene wrote:
Hi Eugene,
For some reason, your mails seem all empty in my Thunderbird mail app.,
and when I check
http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/maillist.html, I
cannot find your mails there either.
On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 10:37:03AM +0100, Mateusz Jan Przybylski wrote:
On Friday 08 January 2010 10:20:01 you wrote:
For some reason, your mails seem all empty in my Thunderbird mail app.,
...
/Jon
...
Same there; the mail seems to be empty, even thou viewing its source shows
clearly
Hi Eugene,
in picoFarad,
which uses the symbol Rho and of course Lamda in recognition of Lisp
Thanks! For further discussion, I've also put it onto the test page.
Cheers,
- Alex
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,
but it's a long time since I did any electronics ... As far as I know,
Rho is a Greek letter R.
Here's what our friend W. has to say about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picofarad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pico-
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Hi all,
ok, here's my first attempt for the wiki basics. I don't know if I'm on
the right track, so please anybody with experiences in wiki usage give
your comments.
The E/R sources can be seen at http://picolisp.com/5000/@src?er.l;.
Currently, there are just two subsystems: Role/Users
I don't actually know much about how a wiki should function either but it
sounds good!
The project source will itself also be a good thing for beginners to study
in addition to the app example I think.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.dewrote:
Hi all,
ok
Hi all,
let's go ahead, and start our own wiki!
Currently, we have a lot of resources, spread across external hosters
which are more or less commercial, and the discussion around code
repositories. We ran into various restrictions, imposed by existing
systems.
If we concentrate efforts
Sure I could move all the PicoLisp content on my blog and do 301 headers to
this wiki, that would give it an instant Google boost.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Alexander Burger a...@software-lab.dewrote:
Hi all,
let's go ahead, and start our own wiki!
Currently, we have a lot
Hi Alex,
Tomas fell conspicuously silent - are you there?
still here;-) Happy New Year!
let's go ahead, and start our own wiki!
I've been there about a year ago so I must admit my enthusiasm has
relented due to the lack of community and contributors.
Currently, we have a lot of resources
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