Re: [Rosegarden-user] "For Notation" -> "For Printing"?
On 9/20/21 12:31 PM, Ted Felix wrote: Would everyone who uses this checkbox be ok with a change from "For Notation" to "For Printing"? Does this make sense for the majority of use cases and is it better than "For Notation"? I can't even remember who implemented that, or why. I think it was a patch that I just passed along. From a translator's perspective, the word "for" in English is actually kind of problematic. I would be happiest just saying something like "[x] Printable" Though I have no idea how to translate "printable" either. Good thing I don't speak git and I'm kind of sidelined. lol Impresionable? Is that even a word? No, moron, the word is imprimir, not impresionar. Imprimible. Yes. Imprimible is a word. It means "printable." I think we're good to go on that score. My vote is for "printable" because it's easy to translate, and it's reasonably easy to understand what it means in terms of functionality. Though yes, I am slightly inebriated at the time of this writing, so I'm rambling. I am not, however, rambling incoherently! -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Wandering Windows
On 8/8/21 8:39 PM, Ted Felix wrote: It's not wandering for me under GNOME. Not sure there's anything we can do here. As I recall, we use a standard Qt mechanism in a totally standard way to set all this. If it doesn't actually work as advertised, what can we really do? -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Import sf2
On 2/20/21 2:12 PM, Mike Knott wrote: I'm struggling to understand the instructions on importing a soundfont into Rosegarden. The Rosegarden Handbook says this is achievable (instead of importing an rgd file). It used to be. I haven't tested that functionality in many years. Let's see if it still works! Okay, it does. I modified the default "General MIDI Device" and replaced its existing programs with programs from various soundfonts. It works as designed. I have a feeling you have different expectations. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] [OT]: quick and easy music making: a marketer's dream [WAS] Re: beginners question : getting sound
In all this ranting about how much Rosegarden sucks, I think everybody is forgetting about the classic use case. Plug in an ALSA-supported MIDI adapter. Plug a hardware synth into the MIDI adapter. Start Rosegarden. If it doesn't make noise, diddle the Manage MIDI Devices dialog until you find where your synth is. Depending on the synth, maybe diddle channels too. This doesn't require JACK, it doesn't require a soundfont, it doesn't require a soft synth, it will work with any kernel, and this process isn't dramatically different from any MIDI sequencer I used in the '80s or '90s. As far as the history of the age-old "Rosegarden doesn't make sound" problem, it all started going to hell when hardware MIDI fell out of fashion. This is a combination of Windows making everybody think their new soundcard still had MIDI capability when it really didn't, and then the general movement toward recorded audio, which meant most end users didn't know a MIDI if it bit them on the ass, or care one iota about any of that crap. As far as that goes, how easy is it, really, to get sound out of a comparable Windows app? First I have to download the proprietary control client for my audio interface, then I have to figure out some combination of controls that routes sound to the speakers. Now I have to configure the software to use the ASIO driver. Then I have to slot a VSTi plugin, and set it up to make the noise I want. None of that is plug and play either. But whatever. I hate this topic, and I'm going to duck my head and concentrate my attention elsewhere. I just wanted to fire off this rant. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound
On 2/8/21 6:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: Is it THAT difficult to hardwire SOME minimal sound ability if only to show that the right software is being tried? Other apps can do it, at least at some rudimentary level at first. Other apps provide their own soundfont and their own synth engine. Rosegarden decided long ago to focus on being Rosegarden. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound
my own config. So with those two pieces in place, now you can start Rosegarden and load a demo file. It should play. Maybe. Sorry again for the long, rambling tone of this reply. Hopefully this can serve as a jumping off point for a discussion that ultimately proves helpful to you. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Clear the MRU
On 1/23/21 1:50 AM, Ted Felix wrote: The problem with this is people who are accessing files on external storage, be it flash drives, network shares, what have you. The files might not exist only because the external storage isn't connected. The user might then want to reconnect the external storage and still have all the MRU entries. I was going to raise exactly this point. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] work flow irritants
On 1/2/21 3:27 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: On 1/2/21 2:06 PM, Ted Felix wrote: If [...] the audio were automatically saved in the same folder as the *.rg, I could give each project its own folder and things would be a lot tidier. Another good idea for the feature request list. I did a quick and dirty recording of an idea in my studio. I figured out how to create a directory, and move the audio into it, and I thought I'd share the workflow experience as a point of reference. Step 1: I started a new project from a template. Step 2: I recorded my drum kit, producing 11 audio files. At this point, I'm sitting on "Unsaved project" or whatever. The files have gone wherever they go in this situation. Note that Rosegarden behaves differently here. We encourage the user to save the file before recording, and incorporate the filename into the audio files saved in ~/rosegarden/ as we thought that would be better than just having globs of blah-Untitled-blah files in that directory. So back to REAPER, Step 3: I go to File -> Save as new project or something to that effect, and in the dialog where I give the file a name, I also have several options to create a directory and move or copy the files into that directory. I also have options for resampling the files and otherwise running some filters on them, but I didn't explore any of that. The end product is that I have my .RPP file in the top level REAPER MEDIA directory, and a new subdirectory of the same name, into which the audio files I recorded have been moved. Rosegarden could offer something very similar, and it would be pretty easy to implement. I'd be happy to do a better job of putting together a proposal if there is any interest. My own interest level isn't that high, as I just couldn't use Rosegarden for audio, even if my audio rig worked on Linux. I'd be using Ardour. My needs are just too complicated for an application that never implemented most of the audio features it originally envisioned. Richard Bown stubbed out lots of things that just never went anywhere, and it is what it is at this late date. We decided years ago to just focus on notation, and that's there I focused a lot of my own development effort, to good effect. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] work flow irritants
On 1/2/21 2:06 PM, Ted Felix wrote: If [...] the audio were automatically saved in the same folder as the *.rg, I could give each project its own folder and things would be a lot tidier. Another good idea for the feature request list. That one is a case where Chris and I couldn't settle on the right way to handle the typical user who doesn't have the forethought to create a directory ahead of time. The project packager was in part conceived as a way of cleaning that kind of thing up after the fact. It rounds up all the bits needed to play a particular composition, rolls them into an archive, and when you unpack it, all the bits go into a directory. I can offer as a data point that the commercial software I'm using on Windows doesn't handle this very well either. I have no idea where most of my stuff is. I've got a structure like $WINDOWS_BLATHER\Some Project\Some Other Project\A Third Project where my intention was to have $WINDOWS_BLATHER\Some Project $WINDOWS_BLATHER\Some Other Project $WINDOWS_BLATHER\A Third Project Going back into something three years later is a huge misadventure. Sad that I've been using Windows that long. I quite despise Windows, but when I bought a complicated rig for recording drums, I just couldn't run it from Linux. I can barely run that gear using the proprietary apps supplied by the manufacturer, and sure have no clue how to reverse engineer them. Alas. Anyway, this ramble is a long way of saying that yes, it would be good for an application to get this kind of thing right, and Rosegarden has room for improvement in this area! -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] work flow irritants
On 1/2/21 2:08 PM, david wrote: What happens if... you start a new RG project with all the tracks, then import the MIDI track? You should have all the audio tracks properly numbered, yes? In that scenario, the MIDI file completely replaces the existing composition, and yes, in most cases Rosegarden will construct a composition for it that has made some attempt to map the structure of the MIDI file onto the composition it creates. What you're getting at seems more like a merge than an import. I haven't used this in years. Note: the merge dialog is borked. "The file has a diffe" and then the text cuts off. Stuff like that is my wheelhouse, and I'll fix it this weekend. Note to self. Anyway, no, in fact, when you merge a MIDI file into an existing composition, every new track is set to instrument #1, and you'd have to sort that out manually, the same as if you created the tracks by hand. Whether it should work that way or not is a different matter. I'm just pointing out that's how it works now. The merge feature has always been fragile in any case. I kind of thought copypaste track between projects had worked at one time. It's not a function I used much although it's absence seems counterintuitive. Most office apps have no problems with it. Office apps don't have to interface with two totally different audio subsystems. I'm more interested in what other audio/MIDI apps do. I'm not going to explore that right now, but it's an interesting question. I've got to go make a run to take a truckload of tampons to Target (actually, I have no idea what kind of paper goods are in the trailer, and they're going to Walmart, but it was a nice alliteration), and then I might have a play with this, and just see what does what. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] work flow irritants
On 1/2/21 8:42 AM, Ted Felix wrote: On 12/31/20 4:50 PM, steve conrad wrote: than audio #1-8 as might be expected and as is the case in a new empty file. Yeah, that sounds wrong and should be easily improved. Will get it on the todo. Just as a data point, the same thing happens (and has always happened) when adding MIDI tracks. If you delete everything down to just one track, and add a track with the add track icon, it's a MIDI track by default, and if you add 10 of them in a row, they all default to instrument #1. The behavior actually seems reasonable to me. I guess Rosegarden could analyze the entire composition every time you add a track, and try to assign it to some unique instrument combo, but how often would it do the right thing? Sometimes you just have to let users set things up how they want by hand. My second irritant is that it is no longer possible to copy and paste between separate invocations of RG. Are you copying/pasting in the Segment Canvas (main window) or one of the editors (Matrix, Notation, etc...)? To be clear, he's talking about separate invocations or instances of Rosegarden. One of the things that became possible after the huge rewrite and port to Qt4 was the ability to run Rosegarden more than once on the same computer. It's honestly more of a side effect of the new architecture (sequencer as a thread rather than a separate process) than something we specifically planned. Start Rosegarden, then start Rosegarden again. You have Rosegarden <1> and Rosegarden <2>. Copy something in Rosegarden <1> and try to paste it in Rosegarden <2> and nothing happens. I think I remember a time when this actually did work, but I'm not sure. I do remember experimenting with running two instances briefly, and I added up a list of issues. I think we basically just punted on all the issues, and decided not to support this formally. It's a thing you can do, but it isn't necessarily supposed to work reliably. Caveat usor. You get into issues with ALSA and JACK, which Rosegarden is which, and other things I've forgotten. Keeping config files in sync, would be an issue. Change config in <1> and change it differently in <2>, which config should be written to disk? The more I think about this kind of stuff, the more convinced I am that we all just kicked this can down the road, and didn't really do anything one way or the other. If the clipboard used to be shared, I don't know how, but it was probably working through some really nasty mechanism that shouldn't have worked, like pointers from one instance that should have been invalid in the other, but weren't, or something. Anyway, I leave it up to you to figure out where you want Rosegarden to go in this area. I'm just trying to offer some historical perspective here. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] timeOffset parameter
Your post showed up. Let's see if you get my reply! On 12/4/20 9:00 AM, Andrew S wrote: What is the timeOffset parameter for? I spent a little time poking around, and I'm not sure. The code is supposed to set a timeOffset unless the time being compared is exactly equal to absoluteTime. I went down the rabbit hole a little way without finding any example of when or how this is actually invoked. I'm pretty rusty on the code. There is more depth to this digging than I am willing to do unless you have a more pressing reason than simple curiosity. Nobody has touched the relevant code in a long, long time, and it probably works as designed. Whoever designed it probably forgot what this was for 10 years ago. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] How long have you been using Rosegarden?
On 11/24/20 9:13 AM, Patrick May wrote: How long have you all been using Rosegarden? It must have been the fourth quarter of 2001, so I'm coming up on 20 years. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 20.12
On 11/7/20 7:27 AM, Ted Felix wrote: Just a follow-up in case someone has a similar issue. Turns out that "auto" mode recognizes "percussion" tracks and sends them to channel 10 no matter what channel they are configured for. That isn't even always correct behavior. I don't have time to get myself back up to speed on all that right now, but I think I can play percussion on channels other than 10 at least two different ways with my current setup, and I don't have anything exotic. I'll try to have a go with some of that before you release. I've been working six days a week most of the year, so no promises. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Eating chickenshit rests
On 8/20/20 1:40 AM, david wrote: Also, RG experts correct where I'm wrong - but aren't rests calculated rather than being actual events? Under most circumstances, rests are just calculated to fill empty space on the fly. I've been way too overworked to do more than glance at this thread, but I'll mention in passing that I'm a terrible keyboard player, and making usable notation out of an imperfect live performance is something I've spent many hours doing over the years. There is no magic wand. You just have to attack the problem section by section. Sometimes you can get Rosegarden to make the tweaks automatically with some combination of quantizers, and sometimes you just have to manually rewrite those sections, and then try to computationally re-humanize them a little to blend those sections in. I'm quite sure I would have talked about this kind of thing in the tutorials I wrote years ago, which would still be more or less valid today, but I don't even remember where they are now off the top of my head. Sorry I can't take more time. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Compiling Version 20
On 8/20/20 5:22 AM, Hugo van Galen wrote: I have successfully compiled Rosegarden with Jack2. I suspect that the dependency list is a bit outdated. I may have been the last person to touch the dependency list, and that would have been several years ago. I can confirm that I build with jack2 myself. I have libjack-jackd2-dev installed on Kubuntu 18.04. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crucial: Help needed with Rosegarden Crashing:
On 8/10/20 8:37 PM, liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote: Rosegarden crashes deleting my recording in the process. This is painful. Those ideas wont come around again. Lost forever. I very definitely feel your pain here. It happened to me more times than I want to remember. So much creativity right out the window. One of the most frustrating things we used to have was this stupid composition of preset length. You're playing along, in the pocket, really coming up with great ideas, and then WHAM, it just stops recording! I got that to go away a long time ago, but the memories of all those notes still linger. Anyway, for the most part, Rosegarden is vastly more stable than it used to be. Thanks in great measure to Ted Felix coming along, and making diligent and methodical efforts to improve this sort of thing. He was generally very successful, but I guess we've experienced some kind of regression. All you can really do is start using a debug build from an environment that allows core dumps. The usual thing is to start running from development source, from a debug environment. It's not absolutely necessary to run from development source, but it will help you in the long run. If the crash is repeatable (we hope it is!) and somebody (Ted Felix most likely) fixes it, then you will want to be in a position to test the result. Here are the instructions from the wiki: How to get devel source: https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/development_from_svn How to get a stack trace for a crash First, make sure you are running a version of rosegarden that was built with debugging turned on. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug Without debugging, there will be no symbols in the binary, and the backtrace will be useless. You'll likely need to build rosegarden on your own to get a debug version. Instructions can be found here: Using the Eclipse IDE to work on Rosegarden Open a terminal window, and check to ensure that applications will be able to produce core dumps. The exact command and syntax may vary from shell to shell, but for bash it is ulimit -a: $ ulimit -a core file size (blocks, -c) 0 data seg size (kbytes, -d) unlimited scheduling priority (-e) 20 ... The above example is quite typical for an end-user desktop system. Having the “core file size” set to 0 prevents the creation of very large core dump files in unexpected places, and is generally a good thing. However, this also prevents you from generating a stack trace. You need to change the limit to something larger than 0, but many systems prevent you from setting this to unlimited, so we suggest $ ulimit -c 100 Now start a debug version of rosegarden from the command line, and reproduce the crash. You should now have a core file in your current directory. The core file is either named core or core.. Run gdb: $ gdb rosegarden Then once you get the gdb prompt, use the command 'bt' to get the stack trace, and mail it to the authors or to the Rosegarden development mailing list, or include it in a bug report. Anyway, I hope this helps. I haven't been involved with development for quite a number of years now, and I'm semi-retired. I still monitor things, and still care. It's just my life went in a different direction, I guess. Especially in terms of working hours. When I was most passionate about Rosegarden, and most active, I had the luxury of making a decent living working only 45 hours per week. Now it's closer to 80 with my commute. Anyhoo brother, if I could turn back the hands of time and save your ideas from getting obliterated, I would. I really hate it for you. So much so that you inspired me to write the longest message I've posted in probably going on 10 years. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] a duo of ethicall questions
As the owner of a copyright, I can say I really don't care if you steal my stuff, because the people who create things don't make money from their creations anyway. Just don't steal anything from the Beatles. Fuck the Beatles! -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi commands from Rosegarden
On 8/5/20 3:04 AM, Alexandre DENIS wrote: My understanding is that the OP wants it to be written as a single event with all 3 values at once, and then rosegarden sends the 3 low-level events by itself. AFAIK it is not supported. I intended to add support for that many years ago, but Rosegarden's foundation architecture was designed in a way that made the problem very difficult to solve, and I never did. I'm afraid I've lost the details to time. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Staff show/not-show rests?
On 6/14/20 11:06 PM, david wrote: with weird doubled dots and crazy rests instead of something tidy and legible. Ideas on this? I read that and thought, "H. That sounds really useful!" Then I realized I was the one thinking about implementing the feature. Obviously, it never happened. Normalize rests had already been around at that point. I don't remember why I didn't get that done, but I probably hit some major roadblock. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Shorten default MIDI event duration for drum notes inserted from the piano roll.
On 6/14/20 9:08 AM, Ted Felix wrote: Or even better, implement a percussion mode for the velocity ruler. That way it will show the notes as short for percussion like the matrix editor does. I like that idea, Ted. I can't remember the whole process of trial and error and thought, but we ended up with the crazy nonsense for a good reason. I didn't like it at first, and I switched to 64th notes, but it caused problems with some hardware, so I switched to 16th notes, and I think that caused problems with some hardware too. I really can't remember that far back, but there's a good reason the percussion matrix inserts stupidly oversized note events, and just represents them as manageable diamonds. Doing something comparable on the rulers used with the percussion matrix sounds like a fine solution. Notes entered from the percussion matrix will make gibberish notation, but it doesn't really matter. Rosegarden can't produce useful drum notation anyway. I thought about implementing that feature, and it's just way, way too much. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden App Icon
I prefer 1 by a wide margin. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantizing
On 4/12/20 6:27 PM, Ray Klassen wrote: notes to do anything to it. Am I using quantization wrong? Do I have a skewed idea of what it's for? Any help on this? No, that's pretty much it. When the tool fails, enter it by hand. I might be able to do a little better. I'm out of practice, but I did write the book on Rosegarden a long time ago. If you send me a file, I will try to diddle it for you, and at the very least share my experiences with you. I used to be pretty good at making Rosegarden obey me. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?
On 3/11/20 11:43 PM, Ted Felix wrote: Just wondering why folks want LV2 support. Not that I'll ever get to it, but some justification will help focus the effort. Thanks. I've been ignoring the issue for quite a few years, but I spent some time today looking at what lv2 is, what plugins are out there, what supports them, etc., and I have to say I wouldn't mind trying some of those out. One of the biggest problems I can imagine is that lv2 can be the equivalent of either LADSPA or DSSI, or maybe even both in one (I didn't dive that deeply). Chris Cannam was one of the original creators of DSSI, and Rosegarden was one of the original hosts. There's a pretty clear divide between "audio plugin" and "synth plugin" in Rosegarden, although under the hood they do have significant redundancy, if not actual overlap (and I'm not sure which, as I haven't been in that code in eons). That might make things tricky. Finally, there's the real question of who would use it. Synth plugins are arguably useful to Rosegarden users, but audio plugins are pretty irrelevant except in connection with synth plugins. Nobody uses the audio features. I would have tried if I had been able to get my audio rack to work with Linux, but I would have ended up having to use something more robust myself. Rosegarden is missing a lot of functionality, and the Linux audio community is totally dominated by Ardour, so even if we built it, nobody would use it. If we were doing Rosegarden from scratch, there would just be no point in including audio features at all. So I come down as kind of meh on the whole thing. It would be neat to play with if it doesn't require massive investment of effort on your part, but the reality is you're probably going to see really limited returns from the community. If you build it, they might come, or they might just yawn. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Changing soundfonts
On 2/29/20 12:36 PM, Flavio Sartoretto wrote: I added 3 engines via qsynth, PC51f, 2MBGMGS, TimGM6mb, associated to the corresponding .sf2 files that I found on the WEB. Every engine is effectively a separate playback device, and each needs its own device definition and playback connection in Rosegarden, which you have to configure via Studio -> Manage MIDI Devices, or wherever that functionality moved since the last time I thought about any of this. This is the kind of question that's easier to answer with a tutorial, but I fear I can't promise to write one. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Problems getting started with Rosegarden: don't see any MIDI device
On 1/7/20 4:26 PM, Matthias Wimmer via Rosegarden-user wrote: the details are: "No sound driver available: Application compiled without sound support?" Everything up to that point looks okay, so my first guess is broken package. I'd try compiling from source. I don't have time to walk you through that at the moment. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden and qsynth
On 11/26/19 12:07 AM, Ted Felix wrote: easier to see. This is how I was able to improve rg performance significantly. Just to jump in here randomly... Ted, you really impressed me with how much you did improve performance, with so little downside it's kind of ridiculous. You, sir, are truly a shining example of your craft, and I nod to you out of deep respect. Also, I haven't gotten on it yet at all, but I am kind of casually meandering toward tackling the 4k challenge, and I will probably diddle the GUI before the end of 2020. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Percussion Clef
I would love if rosegarden were friendlier to drum notation. For example I would love to have a percussion clef and the ability to create drum notation with separate voicing for hands and feet. Anyone else need this? I started on percussion notation around the time I started drumming. I didn't get far into it before I realized what a gigantic nightmare it was going to be, and I just walked away and forgot about it. It is what it is. That's why we don't have drum notation, and probably never will. Sorry man, I'm human, and I have a day job. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
On 8/8/19 10:34 PM, David W. Jones wrote: I'm planning to move to a 4K laptop. Would it be possible to use SVG fonts/graphics for layout? Or some way to set large font sizes? This whole antique "specify sizes in pixels" thing is getting pretty tedious, even on my present HD (1920x1080) setup. Rosegarden dates to a time when requiring a 1024x768 screen was a controversial move. Getting as much out of possible out of minimal screen real estate used to be the name of the game. I haven't put any thought into fonts yet. The way Rosegarden uses fonts is pretty touchy and weird and full of legacy quirks, and getting it to behave well with vector fonts will not be simple. What I have been thinking about is the icons. The horrible irony is that when I spent some insane number of hours remaking all the icons a few years ago, most of them were in a vector format before I committed them as raster images. The problem we used to have was half pixeling. This is hugely obvious on note stems, which want to be one straight line. If we stored the icons as SVG and left it up to Qt to rasterize them, they looked awful. That's why I manually diddled thousands upon thousands of pixels. In the age of 4K, now we're looking at an entirely different set of problems. I don't have a 4K monitor yet, but I do have a 4K TV, and the writing is on the wall. This is going to be one of those things where if we don't fix it, Rosegarden is going to fade into history. I understand there are workarounds right now, but they probably look like crap. I am thinking about this problem with the intent to roll my sleeves back up and do some work on this in the relatively near future. I haven't actually conducted any experiments yet, but I aim to do that sooner, rather than later. I figured I would start by doing a new set of SVG icons, and making sure they look decent on my standard 1920x1080 display. I should get thinking about fonts too. Everything should scale nicely. The technology to do this is there, and we simply don't make use of it yet. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Segment Parameters Box
On 6/26/19 8:29 PM, Ted Felix wrote: I'll play around a bit and see if I can't give the whole thing a few pixels of breathing room. This looks pretty good: I agree. That works fine. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Segment Parameters Box
On 6/26/19 8:03 AM, Ted Felix wrote: the control. Now the layout is in control. The label simply expands to fill the layout horizontally. That did the trick. My only quibble now is that the label seems a few pixels short. I didn't save yesterday's build for comparison. Compared to my reference build, I'd say it's about 4 px shorter now. If that was a opening salvo on a campaign to tighten things up, it will probably be fine once everything else is balanced. As it sits today, that one label sticks out slightly. I didn't notice this yesterday, but I might have been focusing on the more obvious quibble. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling
On 6/13/19 2:39 PM, Will Godfrey wrote: I'm now applying for the above position. Sorry it took over a year... Position granted :) Much much better! I dinked around with it too. I can't find anything to quibble about, and it just feels consistent and good. I find it satisfying that somebody finally sorted out stuff that people have been struggling with since before the 1.0 days. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Any way to continue a song with different studio?
On 4/26/19 7:57 AM, Sami Jumppanen wrote: The problem is how to continue with old songs made for the two-port studio setup? There are at least these possibilities: 1. Settings: always use default studio when opening songs. That option came about when I raised these same issues with the original developers. Device configuration should be detached from sequencer work, it makes very little sense anyway. Firstly mixing the terms device and port. One MIDI port can feed many devices (synthesizers) by daisy chaining (or other splitters/processors), so it's not rational to think about a MIDI port as a "device". I raised such arguments with the original developers. Part of the solution to understanding what they were thinking with this design is to understand what "device," "port," and "instrument" mean within Rosegarden's framework. My attempt to explain this to users was the foundation that developed into the book I wrote. Rosegarden was originally trying to pretend there was no such thing as a "port." It was supposed to be a more friendly model that abstracted certain concepts and hid them from the user for ease of use, or something like that. It's fair to say I disagreed with it philosophically, but by the time I arrived on the scene, it was well established. In the years since, I pretty much just learned to deal with it. I haven't thought about this in so long I'm not in a good position to explain it now. I'm pretty sure the explanation I wrote back then in about 2004 is available on the wiki somewhere. Just to be able to send MIDI out, I need to define a device, but defining a device requires defining patches as well. That's a problem I was trying to address with the all-numbers.rgd and raw-numbers.rgd contained in the collection of devices that ships with Rosegarden. I'd say their usefulness in the real world has been less than I would have hoped. At this point in the game, I definitely have no interest in rearranging a model that has been in place for 20 years, and I have had similar problems working on old files with other software. I mostly work with audio now, and I mostly use REAPER on Windows. At one point, I doubled the size of my recording rig and rearranged what microphones were connected to which inputs. If I load files from before that change, everything is hooked up incorrectly, so if I want to go in and record new material, I have to spend some time making adjustments manually. When I load old files into Rosegarden, everything is hooked up incorrectly, and I usually just spend some time making adjustments manually. I think the bottom line is that working with old files in anything comes with a set of issues you just have to deal with. With that being said, one of the tools I have used is to go hack the XML manually. I have occasionally managed to cut XML out of this file and paste it into that file without breaking things. I'm curious if other users have come up with better solutions than mine over the years. If I was an expert once, I'm certainly no longer an expert. I haven't thought about these problems in years. I definitely feel your pain here. This is exactly the issue that sucked me into contributing to this project, and eventually resulted in my becoming a developer here. A frustrated, burnt-out, retired developer who didn't achieve most of his goals, I might add. This stuff is hard. That's why I pay somebody else to write the software now, and even then. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(
On 4/10/19 3:52 AM, Sami Jumppanen wrote: For dying computer owners: before upgrading anything, use a known good PSU. That's a thought. Just because I put a good PSU in a couple years ago doesn't mean the PSU isn't the issue now. I don't remember what it is, but it's a ridiculously high grade component for this retail Walmart special. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(
On 4/10/19 8:54 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I guess you mean a retail desktop without Windows off the shelf? No, I mean a retail desktop anything off the shelf. Nobody stocks them anymore. It's all laptops and all-in-ones, peppered with the occasional ridiculous "gaming PC" that has crap specs at a high price with some red LEDs thrown in to make it look, I don't know, gamey. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(
On 4/9/19 4:55 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: Is there nothing like that where you are? There is, but my father made a scene, and I'm not welcome there anymore. They wouldn't take back a laptop they ordered for Dad, so he said, "Can I smash it on the counter then?" They gave the go ahead, and he did. Smashed the laptop, smashed the glass display case. I'm overwhelmed with pride. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(
On 4/9/19 7:49 AM, Sami Jumppanen wrote: Out of curiosity, what is the problem? I have no idea. I'm in the middle of typing, and then the computer is just frozen rock solid. When I get it back up, there's a good chance X11 or Weyland or whatever I'm using will be broken to a point where I can't figure out how to fix it. In my current iteration of this, KDE boots with my session apps in a void, and then about five minutes later it finally throws the rest of my desktop around those windows. There are no clues in the logs. Damn if I know, basically. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(
I haven't tested the timing thing either. My computer keeps freezing. When I reboot it, I'm stuck at 1024x768, and the only way I have managed to make progress on that issue is to reinstall Kubuntu. I've been around that bush three times now, and I have grown tired of the aggravation. This machine is rather old, and I suspect the hardware is just flaking out. Either that, or Kubuntu 18.04 is less stable than its many predecessors, which I find difficult to imagine. Still, the trouble started when I upgraded from 16.04, so that may be the culprit. So many things have changed it's more trouble than it's worth to me to try to keep track of any of it. I had gotten in the habit of just buying a retail desktop PC off the shelf, but you can't buy those anymore. Getting Linux onto a retail Windows PC is a huge pain in the ass anyway. I guess I have to go figure out what components to buy and roll my own like it's 1995. I am not looking forward to this at all. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Identify / Change kayboard shortcut for record?
On 4/2/19 9:32 PM, Ted Felix wrote: I'm thinking Ctrl+Space is probably the way to go. Any concerns? I recommend leaving "Media Record" as one of the alternatives. Through no real desire or intention of my own, all of my keyboards have this key, and it works fine as is. It ain't broke, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't add a more vanilla alternative. Ctrl+Space seems fine. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Bug tracking in general
On 4/2/19 4:36 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Is the Sourceforce bug tracker [https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/] still the preferred way to report bugs? It's tempting to write here on the list :) but as much as sourceforge is not the prettiest I guess it's still the best practice for reference etc.? It's easier to lose email than a ticket, but we'll take bug reports however we can get them. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo
On 3/23/19 9:03 PM, david wrote: Oh, I like the Tangerine Skies one. How long does it take to start producing flowers? Damn if I know. I'll let you know when it does. :-D -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Crashes :(
On 3/23/19 5:27 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: Yoshimi - gdb was no help at all and we found the problem by simply undoing commits till we found the one where it changed :( Some bug has existed in some form since Richard Bown implemented track deletion, so we'd have to roll back to the commit before deleting tracks was possible. That's a few revisions. lol I haven't experienced a track deletion related crash in forever, which means you have a different usage habit. You're probably going to have to be the one to reproduce and document it. If you can't, well, I'm no good with any of that stuff either, so don't feel bad. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo
Speaking of the redesign, are you planning to go in a different direction with the splash screen? I tried to do a new one for every major new feature release, and all of them for years were different photos of the same rose. There have been no new splash screens in a long time, because that rose declined and died after 20 years. I finally tracked down what variety it was, and my eye fell on a different, very complementary variety, so I bought a couple of those too. I put a lot of love into preparing the ground, and I'll get the last of them planted tomorrow. There are four in all, with some new decorative support appliances, and I'm hoping for new rose pictures on the horizon. If anyone is curious, it's these two: https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25310/Autumn+Sunset+Hardy+Climbing+Rose https://www.edmundsroses.com/P/25643/Tangerine+Skies+Climbing+Rose -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo
I saw a giant g very similar to the proposed icon on the side of a Canadian trailer, and was briefly nauseous. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Rosegarden Logo
On 3/14/19 3:38 AM, Will Godfrey wrote: Personally I'm never really keen on logo changes. People come to recognise them and automatically associate them with the product/experience. If a change is needed, it's much better to make it a fairly gradual transition. The GIMP changed their logo from the gimp head thing to something else, and for the longest time I couldn't remember which icon started the thing. The original font was selected by Chris Cannam back in the day. I tried to change it when we did the huge rewrite, and in the end it was easier not to change it than to find something new everybody liked. If you want to get a rise out of Mr. Cannam, just say the word Bauhaus. The original logo is a photo Richard Bown took in Hyde Park, and it's very, um, iconic. I was just thinking about the best way to make an SVG version that captures the feeling in a form that will scale up with desktop resolution. I tried making a suitable replacement many times over the years, and we still have his original photo. The guy doing the work gets to do whatever he wants, and Ted is keeping this project alive. This project has definitely been held back by giving too much in service to tradition over the years. On the other hand, I tried taking the totally opposite approach of blowing up tradition and letting people try radical new ideas, and some of the ideas seem too radical in retrospect. As a matter of personal opinion, I can't say I care for the new look. I don't expect my opinion to carry much weight, because I haven't really done anything around here in years, but there is my opinion anyway. This one is a good example. I don't see anything in it that reminds me of the Rosegarden I've been familiar with for many years. I fully agree with Will. That is not a subtle change. It doesn't say "Rosegarden" to me at all. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Gruesome gotcha: Import MIDI
Open - opens a native file Import - opens a non-native file Merge - merges any supported file into the current composition We debated the nomenclature years ago, and this is what stuck. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Introduction: 80's and 90's sound from hardware studio with Ubuntu Studio
On 02/18/2019 06:48 PM, Ted Felix wrote: This is an interesting case. I've confirmed this. It's likely that no one ever expected a user to do this. So, there's no extra code in rg to send NOTE OFF events when the current track is switched. I'm going off memory here, but I'm pretty sure this very issue is why the original developers implemented the panic button at my request. Richard Bown's doing, I think, but it could have been Chris or Guillaume. I've found myself in that situation fairly often, while just randomly dinking around as part of the creative process. There are other ways to get stuck notes as well, like changing programs on a hardware synth with its controls while playback is rolling. I'm pretty sure I used to run into the same issues with my circa 1995 copy of Cakewalk on Windows, which is what informed most of the expectations I had of Rosegarden. I went looking for Rosegarden's panic button, because I was used to reaching for it. Rosegarden could send note offs when the user changes tracks, but it's impossible to address that last case. Well, I guess now that there is some feedback into the IPB program controls ([x] receive external) I guess it's not impossible, but it's impossible in my case, since I only run MIDI one way to that synth. Anyway, I'm neither arguing for nor against any proposed changes. I'm just mentioning how I've made it this far without feeling like anything was behaving incorrectly. -- D. Michael McIntyre ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden vs. M-Audio Venom
On 09/03/2018 10:32 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote: It does appear that the USB port on the venom is not for MIDI. I connected my computer via USB to a Behringer UMC404HD Audio Interface and the UMC4040HD to the Venom with a MIDI cable. I got it to work. It looks like the ALSA support was sketchy. That is commonly the case with that manufacturer's products. Was the bad rdg file because it was double zipped? I seem to remember reading something about that somewhere. Apparently it was a known issue to someone somewhere. It was. Ted Felix figured out the trouble and fixed it. It's crazy that this has been a known issue for some untold amount of time, and nobody ever mentioned it to me. I used that rdg file to create a reabank file. My son in law loves Reaper. So that file also is here: I can't argue with your son-in-law. ALSA doesn't support my audio interface, so I had to get a Windows box, and I ended up settling on Reaper myself. It's an amazing piece of software. It doesn't really compete with Rosegarden, so I don't feel guilty for admitting how much I like it. I have a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 with a Scarlett Octo-Pre and a bunch of Sennheiser e604s, a couple of e614s, a couple of e602s, and some Sure SM57s. It's kind of amazing that some truck driver who can barely play drums has audio gear like this. I finally got sick of making do and just threw money at the problem. Or credit, rather. Hey, I'll have everything paid off when I'm 76 years old, so it's all good. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden vs. M-Audio Venom
On 09/03/2018 08:04 PM, Ted Felix wrote: It appears to have been double-gzipped. Should now be fixed in r15344. H... AccessVirus.rgd is not double gzipped, it's just empty as far as I can tell. I found and fixed two other ones and committed the result. I recovered the original AccessVirus.rgd intact, but I need to go through the ages and tweak it to modern standards, minus whatever I did to corrupt it at the end. I'll do that later. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden vs. M-Audio Venom
On 09/03/2018 08:04 PM, Ted Felix wrote: It appears to have been double-gzipped. Should now be fixed in r15344. Wow, I'm talented folks. I wonder how I managed to pull that off? -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden vs. M-Audio Venom
On 09/01/2018 06:44 PM, Dennis Kaptain wrote: I have downloaded a rdg file and placed it in ./.local/share/rosegarden/library/M-Audio-Venom.rgd Where did the file come from? I see we ship Rosegarden with a file by this name, but I tried looking through it to see who created it, and discovered that it's totally corrupt gibberish. Going all the way back to the file's beginning, it has been garbage since day one. The only info I have about it that offers a clue who to contact is "Gary G." Well, that's a dead end. It sounds like there's a better version of M-Audio-Venom.rgd out there, and I should update our repository. In any case, since finding the author of the .rgd file turned out to be a dead end, all I can suggest is that somebody in 2012 reported joy connecting to a Venom using a standard MIDI cable instead of USB. He used a dedicated USB MIDI interface to make the connection. It looks like support for the Venom was always patchy, if it ever worked at all, and it looks like the hardware was discontinued and abandoned by the manufacturer years ago, so ALSA never got proper support for it going. That's what it looks like at a casual glance anyway. I didn't do a deep dive. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] End of Qt4 support
On 07/18/2018 01:57 PM, Ted Felix wrote: really wanted us to support Qt4, so I think I can deal with any complaints if they come up. I think the main problem was I was continuing to use the old translation tools without even realizing it, which made you think somebody still cared about Qt4. I've been building with Qt5 for years. I have no other reason to even have Qt4 other than checking to see that Qt4 builds still work, which I haven't actually done in years anyway. So far so good, I updated and did a clean rebuild. Now all I have to do is avoid breaking the translations again. I'll pay more attention next time. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Error compiling in SVN revision 15333
On 07/17/2018 07:46 PM, Ted Felix wrote: Thanks for catching/reporting this. I'm still building and supporting Qt4, so I didn't see this Qt5 error. Perhaps it's time to move on? One of my traditional rules of thumb for questions like this was "What does Debian Stable have?" On average, most users are on something way more modern, and that always seemed plenty old enough to me. So I checked, and Debian Stable has Qt 5.7.1 available. That's where I'd set the bar. Nobody has to go build or install third party binaries to get Qt 5 anymore, and we sorted out all the serious problems with Qt 5 builds a long time ago. In the end, it's your call. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling
On 04/02/2018 05:30 PM, Ted Felix wrote: I fixed this on the "segment canvas". Is the auto-scroll behavior there OK for you? If so, we can go ahead and copy that behavior to all of the other editors. It took some time to get used to the new behavior on the segment canvas, but you did your homework, and your well-researched and solidly-implemented solution performs very consistently and well. I quite like it, and copying the behavior elsewhere strikes me as a fine idea. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Auto-scrolling
On 04/02/2018 05:22 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks--at least I know my messages are getting to the list. I'm very much less active than I used to be, but I still monitor the lists, and I still look out for messages nobody else is answering. I looked back through my inbox, and see no other messages from you. They may be in the list archives, but I didn't get them. While I'm writing, I may as well let people know what I've been up to lately. I was a MIDI and notation guy for many years, but then I bought a set of drums. I mostly play drums and guitars now, and I mostly work with audio. I was never a strong reader on guitar, and I didn't spend a lot of time with drum notation either. My drum recording setup is complicated, and managing the hardware on Linux is a complete nightmare. After 15 years of using Linux exclusively, I finally switched to Windows for audio and video production. Windows is survivable if you just use it for dedicated work like this, and don't install any crap on it. Beyond all this, I went in with my son to buy a vintage truck. The work we wanted to do required a welder and a cutting torch. Once I had those, I knew it was time to set up the forge I had kept on my bucket list for 20 years. Once I had the forge, I wanted a milling machine to make easier work of making cross-guards for knives. Once I had a mill, I wanted a lathe too. I also got a vinyl cutter so I could make masks for etching lettering and ornamental designs into knife blades. I was having problems with condensation on my equipment, so I did some research and came up with a solution to the problem. The guy posted his finished project with just a vague outline of how it worked. I gave myself a crash course in Arduino, and put together the Dewbane Condensation Management system. It uses sensors, relays, and heaters to keep my equipment heated above the dew point, so my expensive investment is protected from condensation damage. There has been a little bit of interest in the hobby machinist community, and I may sell a few of these commercially. So that, in a nutshell, is why I don't have time to develop Rosegarden anymore. I am very grateful to Ted Felix for picking up and carrying the torch. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Tried to start RG 17.04 on my desktop, crash!
On 10/28/2017 09:53 PM, david wrote: dist-upgrade is the mechanism Ubuntu uses when a new LTS version comes out and you choose to upgrade to the new version, I think. If you don't update to totally new sources, however, it merely handles changing dependencies from one version of an installed package to another. dist-upgrade In addition to performing the function of upgrade, this option also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones, if necessary. Anyway, it will happily remove installed programs if it decides that some other program it is upgrading requires it to be removed. Or (I think) if the installed program isn't in the repository anymore? Been awhile since I've used it. It used to produce disasters for me in Ubuntu. I've been using it routinely for countless years. I probably need it due to having a lot of random stuff installed from PPAs. Anyhoo..... -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Tried to start RG 17.04 on my desktop, crash!
On 10/27/2017 03:19 AM, david wrote: I've noticed that when I upgrade my Debian Testing installations using "apt-get upgrade" vs Synaptic's "Mark all upgrades" option, apt-get reports a number of packages being held back. I've always used "apt-get dist-upgrade" and skipped the pretty package managers. The "dist-upgrade" option will pull in things apt-get will skip, but theoretically it won't get anything broken. Will try that. May your employment be specially gainful! And I hope a lot less exhausting, Michael! Well, I made it through 2.5 weeks of notice, collected my quarterly bonus on my last day, and handed in my keys. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] A blast from the past
On 10/19/2017 01:20 AM, david wrote: Well, only 10 years ago, but it's about our own D. Michael McIntyre: Thanks, Michael, for all the contributes you've made to Rosegarden! I remember that article. I had so much hope of a better life back then. Now I'm sitting in my chair in the same clothes I've been wearing for three straight days, trying to keep myself awake long enough to go to bed. I spend a lot of nights in this chair, because I come home from work and pass out from exhaustion. I miss the guy from that article as much as the Rosegarden community does. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Tried to start RG 17.04 on my desktop, crash!
On 10/18/2017 02:40 AM, david wrote: Well, I prefer Debian. The problem used to be they only released every 67.3 years, and if you couldn't wait that long, there were no good alternatives. Testing definitely wasn't a good alternative. I ended up with more breakage with Testing than I did Unstable, ironically enough. That was definitely a long time ago though. Debian Testing has been pretty reasonable for me. But the desktop is the Debian setup that also has the KXStudio repositories. Maybe they're the problem. Likely. Haven't compiled Rosegarden from source. Worth trying. Link for instructions? I don't have one on speed paste and I should have left for work two minutes ago. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Tried to start RG 17.04 on my desktop, crash!
On 10/17/2017 05:34 AM, david wrote: Starting it from a terminal filled the screen with multiple errors and lists of .so files etc, etc. When you're running an unstable distro with extra repositories and getting a bunch of .so errors, it's probably just a matter of broken runtime dependencies due to incompatible packages. I used to run into that sort of problem all the time, which is why I switched to Ubuntu LTS releases. Debian Testing is especially horrible for this in my experience, although granted that experience is incredibly ancient at this point. Did you compile Rosegarden from source? If not, that's probably the quick and dirty way to get rolling. If so, and you got this result, then there might actually be a problem we could solve here. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] a few newbie questions
On 07/28/2017 10:33 PM, Andrew Kilpatrick wrote: Well I discovered that the metronome must be set to a MIDI port of some kind before any MIDI clocks will be sent. That seems like a bug... what does MIDI clock have to do with metronome? That definitely needs a look. - Sometimes when starting rosegarden, it complains about a missing MIDI device (they are all there) and then segfaults. I've been involved with the project for 15 years, and I've added, subtracted, and changed MIDI devices around thousands of times over the years. I've never seen this cause a segfault. Changing the MIDI landscape around doesn't even generate informational messages. Rosegarden just tries to hook things up like they were last time, and when it can't, you have to go diddle the connections manually. Rosegarden complains about a missing audio server, and I think it warns you when no audio server means no synth plugins. I have no doubt you're running into some issue, but I will be surprised if it turns out you're describing it accurately. Pasting actual error messages would be useful, as would a stack trace of the segfault. It then seems to load some kind of autosave file, but it doesn't have the last saved state of the actual file I want. Going off memory here, I'm pretty sure it detects the presence of an autosave file, and offers you the option of loading that instead of loading the file off disk. You should be able to load the last saved state or the autosave version, at your discretion. That's how it's _supposed_ to work, but I haven't tested this lately, and it might be broken. - Audio clips don't start when the transport is rewound and then played... it is necessary to press play and then rewind. I haven't run into that, but frankly I don't use Rosegarden for audio anymore. I got into recording drums with multiple microphones, and I switched to Windows for that. What this says about Linux audio is probably pretty damning, but it is what it is. Overall I really want to like and use Rosegarden, but it seems very fragile and so far just setting up a few MIDI and audio tracks and configuring my studio's MIDI devices has led me to what seems like a broken file which I can't load anymore. Rosegarden is embarrassingly quirky and fragile to have been in development so long, but that has a lot to do with how the volunteer-driven development model works. People come and go, people work in fits and spurts, people work off of different ideas for how things ought to be, and project leadership can't be too strict without running off all the volunteers. The result is something very organic, like a home-grown apple that tastes pretty good when you ignore the worm tracks and the superficial black blight on the peel. On the bright side, when Rosegarden does manage to mangle a file, we can usually hack on it by hand to get it working again. The storage format is gzip compressed XML, and it's often a matter of just deleting one errant tag or something. If you pass me a copy of the file, I'll be happy to have a look and see if I can hack it back into behaving itself. I haven't experienced a truly serious loss of work in quite a few years. Are people actually using this successfully with multiple external MIDI devices? Yes. Is there any way to debug things when a file doesn't load? I tried using gdb to check a stacktrace but I don't think I'm familiar enough with the codebase to really know what's going on. In this area, I know how to do more than I can explain how to do. It's easiest just to let someone with more experience have a go with the file. The UI of rosegarden is as close to my dream app as I can imagine... simple, great notation editing, audio and MIDI recording... but if I'm worried that I won't be able to reload the file I'm working on, it's unfortunately not that useful. :( I think this is mostly growing pains. Rosegarden is definitely quirky, and will occasionally have serious glitches, but again, I haven't experienced a truly serious loss of work in quite a few years. Almost everything that goes wrong is recoverable, but learning how to speak those incantations probably qualifies as some kind of black art. It ain't perfect, but for no-cost software it's worth ten times the price! -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] a few newbie questions
On 07/26/2017 01:22 PM, Andrew Kilpatrick wrote: Are there any other kind of settings I need to make? It would also be nice if it wouldn't connect up non-related MIDI devices since I do other MIDI things on my computer which might be upset by receiving useless clock messages. In your case, it would probably be better to connect things manually. I've always used QJackCtl to do MIDI assignments. It shows up off the Connect button, the ALSA tab, if I recall correctly. I'd like to back up what Ted said about the color scheme. We used to use a stylesheet for this, which was user-editable in theory. In practice, it cannot be overstated what a complete nightmare the stylesheet was. I jumped at the chance to have that train wreck replaced with code. This does mean changing the style requires getting waist deep in code now. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quiet here
On 07/17/2017 05:27 PM, Abrolag via Rosegarden-user wrote: Hey, what sort of forge have you got. It's a Whitlox Homestead wood fired forge. http://whitloxhomestead.com/products/fullsize-whitlox-wood-fired-forge I was going to go with a traditional coal forge when I stumbled across the Whitlox design. Instead of turning coal into coke, it turns firewood into charcoal, or you can just burn charcoal directly. Charcoal is less energy dense, so you burn more of it, but it doesn't form clinkers or contribute to acid rain, and the fire is really easy to maintain. I went with a hand crank blower, because my lifestyle is much too sedentary, and it's extra exercise. I'm pretty impressed with the forge. There are lots of plans out there for home brew forges, but I never got around to building one. This is a good design, and it works rather well. I made my first tool today. It's a small V-shaped shovel for removing hot coals from this forge, so I can put it to bed when it's time to quit, instead of leaving the forge out to face the possibility of getting rained on. These days, I'm much more excited about building things with my hands than doing computer stuff. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quiet here
On 07/13/2017 03:26 PM, Abrolag via Rosegarden-user wrote: Anything new on the horizon? For my part, I just got away from music and computers for awhile. I spend most of my time working on an old truck or playing with my new forge. I have no plans beyond eventually looking into that bug Ted reported a month ago, but I'm still around. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Uninstall 16.06 before installing 17.04
On 04/20/2017 06:51 AM, Ted Felix wrote: Congratulations on the release. I'm sure it will all end up streamlined and greatly improved with you at the helm. I am officially retiring to an advisory position. This news should neither shock nor sadden anyone, because it is merely an admission of what already happened long ago. Over time, I have had to work more hours, and I have also picked up more hobbies. Rosegarden got squeezed out, and I just couldn't maintain any standard of quality in my work here. > On 04/20/2017 02:18 AM, Malhaire Christophe wrote: >> What is the best way to uninstall Rosegarden 16.06 (compiled from >> source) before installing the new 17.04 version? > >Installing over top should work fine. Rosegarden installs very few files, and those files rarely change. When you compile the source we ship and install it, the majority of data files are compiled into the resource bundle attached to the rosegarden binary. The only files we install to system locations related to MIME types, icons, and relatively minor things like that. Note that some distros insist on hacking Rosegarden to install pieces of itself all over the place. We don't officially support those hacks. If package maintainers want to force Rosegarden to store data files a different way, those package maintainers can deal with the consequences. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Is there a new release coming ahead?
On 04/07/2017 10:51 AM, Ted Felix wrote: >Lemme know if you want me to do it. It seems like a fitting moment to acknowledge that I finally burned out. I was going to release that the other day, but I didn't, so it's probably a good idea to start over and tag a new revision. The website is in SVN somewhere, and Chris has a script to publish it periodically. Looks like every release touches these files: ./getting/source/index.shtml~ ./subleft.html~ ./index.shtml~ ./resources/links/index.shtml~ ./resources/authors/index.shtml~ ./latest-version.txt~ I compile release notes by pasting the text out of the wiki and reformatting it slightly. That's the gist of it. Season to taste. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Is there a new release coming ahead?
On 04/02/2017 09:42 PM, Fernando A. Martin wrote: > Are there plans about when the next Rosegarden version will be released? > Thanks. I hope to get a release done in April. I missed the December and February releases, because I work 80 hours a week now, and have very little free time. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] possible bug with exporting overlapping notes to Midi file
On 02/28/2017 12:35 AM, Darcy Kahle wrote: > Just to let you know, I attempted to compile Rosegarden 16.0.6, but ran > into the problem that it requires Qt 4.8, and the latest version > available to my distro is 4.6.2. I am now faced with either trying to > upgrade QT to at least 4.8, or to figure out how to install Qt 5 > side-by-side with Qt 4 (likely the better solution) and use that version > to compile Rosegarden. I recommend grabbing the binary distribution of Qt5 and building with that. That's how I used to test Qt5 builds before upgrading my distro. It's fairly painless. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Xruns on close
On 02/04/2017 04:32 PM, Abrolag wrote: > I thought I'd see if I could work anything out myself, but after 3-4 hours of > looking over the code, I still didn't have any idea how all the bits link > together :( I've never gotten anywhere with sequencer/audio stuff myself. > Is it possible to discover who wrote the original code, and maybe gently tweak > their nose? Failing that, are there any other devs who might take a look at > it? It was probably Richard Bown or Chris Cannam, neither of whom has been active here in a number of years. Did you ever file a bug report? Ted Felix will tackle just about anything if there is enough interest, but he loses track of email easily. He's basically the only guy I know with sufficient skill to have a hope of getting into the head of the developers. That code uses a million deprecated things anyway, and should probably be on the schedule for a big cleanup. It could also be argued we should just eliminate audio and synth plugins entirely. Now that I've been using REAPER and the VST stuff on Windows, I realize that there are dozens of missing features, like splitting audio at the nearest zero crossing, crossfades, smooth management of takes, and on and on. I can finally understand why Richard just ditched the audio features in his Windows fork. We're not a lot more sophisticated than Audacity, but we're a lot harder to get up and running than Audacity. I could go either way on that one. If I had a usable mixer for my damn audio interface so I could use it with Linux, I might not be above adding some of those features and making our audio side useful. No chance of that happening though. That mixer is complicated, my time is extremely limited, etc. Anyway Will, I will definitely agree with you that looking at this crap every time I close Rosegarden is getting on my nerves too: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Jack::JackTemporaryException' what(): -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Recent files
On 01/08/2017 03:48 PM, Abrolag wrote: > Is there any way to increase the number of memorised ones. I could idealy do > with about twice as many as Rosegarden currently supports. I went from having no clue how that worked to committing the change in under 5 minutes. I set it at 20. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rulers in notation editor don't appear
On 01/03/2017 06:07 PM, Fernando A. Martin wrote: > button "Add Control Ruler" and choose any of the rulers not one of them > appears. I can try the same using the menu View / Rulers / Add Control > Rulers and choose one of the rulers that nothing appears. https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1543/ The interim solution is to build against Qt4, where the rulers work just fine. I'm treating this like a Qt5 on KDE5 bug, of which there are several others, but it may be a more generic Qt5 bug that is desktop-independent. I don't remember exactly how creation of those rulers works at runtime, but I do remember it is fairly hacky and complicated. It's highly possible that the mechanism used did not translate to Qt5 successfully, and we are only now discovering this. I'll be holding up the already delayed December release until this one is fixed. Unless somebody beats me to it, I'll look into this over the weekend. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantization
On 01/01/2017 09:01 PM, Ray Klassen wrote: > Ha ha. What a relief. I've tried to use grid quantize on midi files i've > pulled down off the net and like users the world over I thought it must > be something wrong with me. When I really think about it, the grid quantizer probably works better than I appreciate. It's just that the heuristic quantizer works much better, and I always go with the best result. It's specifically designed to get the best notation on the page for a typical human performance, and it looks for things humans do when they perform. That is the one thing separating Rosegarden from every other application on the planet, and it's just a back of napkin idea Chris had one day. He closed one eye, made some guesses, and took a stab at coming up with something. It has issues that have existed since the first day, and he never addressed any of them. The whole thing is only very slightly more refined than the first draft, as I recall. Even so, it's an absolutely brilliant first draft! That thing is truly the only reason I stuck with Rosegarden all these years. You can find everything else in several other packages, but only Rosegarden does this good of a job rendering human performances as legible notation; all while preserving the original human performance. It mostly fails on grace notes, slurs, and heavily legato playing. Plus of course when your timing is just way to hell and gone, like mine. I'm a heavy off-the-beat player, and consistently hit everything either ahead of or behind the mark. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantization
On 12/31/2016 06:43 PM, Ray Klassen wrote: > PS You're right. I would have expected magic from the grid quantize. > what is it doing if it's not doing this? Damn if I know. I've never been able to figure it out from observing the results, and I've never actually looked into that code. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] quantization
On 12/29/2016 02:38 PM, Ray Klassen wrote: > with just notes as if I had entered them with the mouse. -- no staccatos > tenutos or variations in velocity. and all starting and ending precisely > as scored. Is this possible? I've found there is no magic fix it button. In principle the grid quantizer should be your friend here. Un-check [ ] Add articulations to make that stuff go away, dial up the most likely parameters, and try your luck. In practice, the notation quantizer often does a better job. You can use Adjust -> Quantize -> Fix notation quantization to make the durations you see on the page permanent. I can't find an option to turn off tenutos and such while recording. You can select all and use the trash can icon in the top right corner to throw all those marks away. All in all though, I've always found this to be a fiddly process. You try something, and it works well for most of a passage, but there is one troublesome section where your playing was too far off. Try a different quantizer, different options, or just draw a bit of notation by hand. The better you play, the better this works. It has the most trouble with slurs and grace notes, which tend to come out as a mangled tangle of unintended chords. In my own personal projects, I probably never get more than 2/3 of the notation cleaned up using automatic tools. My playing is pretty dreadful. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] The Over-Educated Trucker Blues
I used Rosegarden to make a notation cheat sheet for this one. All the audio was recorded and diddled in REAPER. The Over-Educated Trucker Blues is my current high water mark as an artist, my chef d'oeuvre. I play bass, drums, rhythm guitar, lead guitar, trumpet, and I sing the story of my life in this one. https://youtu.be/JV2tBDKbIoU -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] MIDI settings messed up after restart
On 11/25/2016 12:58 PM, John A wrote: > as a MIDI device in any new file. After the restart, when I try to play > the same file, the programs as listed in the 'instrument parameters' box > do not match what they originally were, and the programs on the korg are > seemingly random general midi instruments. When I change the programs in I can interpret "restart" several ways. Can you explain what you did in more detail? > In addition, when I open files made previous to my addition of the > Triton as a MIDI device, it is not available as a MIDI device. It won't be. When you acquire some new piece of kit, you have to add it to older files manually. > It seemed > like I might have to to do Studio -> import default studio, but after > this not only does the triton still not show up as a MIDI device, all > sound is muted, even though the meters are still jumping. The MIDI VU meters mean "events are being sent" but the events won't actually produce any result unless everything is hooked up correctly. All I can really tell you is I never adopted the habit of using "import default studio" or "always use default studio," and there is probably a good reason for that. I have long since forgotten the reason, of course. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] McIntyre rocking out with himself
I did the first draft of that using my little portable busking amp, and just dialed random stuff into it. After listening to it repeatedly, the rhythm guitar really got on my nerves. After I re-recorded that with different effects, I took some of the ideas from the lead improv and developed them. The whole thing came together as this, which is probably displacing everything else I ever did to take the top spot as my chef d'oeuvre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-T9OuFCF3M -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] McIntyre rocking out with himself
I was just talking about how bleak my life is, and I never do music. Well, I threw this together today. No MIDI, this is my sweet acoustic drum kit, my sweet Ibanez bass, and my trusty ol' Squier strat that I never bothered to upgrade to a real electric, with my Roland Cube amps on bass and guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcJvftJP0jM -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Problem with Rosegarden and WhySynth
On 11/03/2016 02:26 PM, Marko Randjelovic wrote: > You can find Rosegarden console output: > http://pastebin.com/VK6KTuDY > > I hope someone will be able to help me resolve this problem I didn't see anything enlightening in there. Given the distro situation you have described, I highly recommend just starting over clean. You're trying to unravel a giant ball of yarn when yarn is really cheap. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Play function doesn't work anymore
On 10/21/2016 07:37 PM, Fernando A. Martin wrote: > the cursor doesn't move and no sound is played. This is usually a bad sequencer timing source. Edit -> Preferences -> MIDI -> General -> Sequencer Timing Source It defaults to auto, which works for most users. If auto does not work, go down the list of PCM- timers until you find one that works. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] among 19 tracks rosegarden leaves randomly some without sound
On 08/21/2016 12:03 PM, Mario Gummies wrote: >> But anyway.. > I am indeed wondering for a time what you might insinuate with that seven > points. Is there a burden, maybe even asking I? Or is there a secret, a > puzzle or a threat? May be the music industries society? You keep me curious. Just working 70-80 hours a week getting 3-4 hours of sleep a day. I am a shadow of what I once was, and don't know if I'm coming or going. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Video editing on Linux
On 08/14/2016 09:09 PM, r...@hydrophones.com wrote: > Try Cinelerra (https://cinelerra-cv.org/) it may be the middle ground you > are looking for. Tried it. OpenShot, Kdenlive, Pitivi, Blender, and finally Lightworks. With the latter two, I'm not sure if they can do the job but I am sure I can't use them to get the job done. Lightworks on Linux isn't remotely stable anyway. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] among 19 tracks rosegarden leaves randomly some without sound
On 08/08/2016 06:38 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > On 08/07/2016 08:15 AM, Mario Gummies wrote: >> among 19 tracks rosegarden leaves randomly some without sound > > MIDI only supports 16 channels. Reading back over the thread, I see Ted caught the user's original problem. He was using Timidity, rather than a DSSI plugin, and indeed he probably just ran out of channels and/or had things doubled up or otherwise not configured in a viable way. I think using DSSI plugins would get around that limitation, so everybody else is on a viable track with that thinking. Another option is to create more than one synth engine with QSynth, with 16 channels per engine. That's how I roll personally, as I never liked using large numbers of DSSI plugins and having to configure every fricking one of them individually. It just feels so wasteful. Especially with a separate, separately configured reverb on every one of them. But anyway.. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Cross-platform Rosegarden
On 07/24/2016 04:37 PM, J.P. Morris wrote: > That's the single most mission-critical feature of Rosegarden for me > and last time I looked at the code the gubbins for slaving to an external > MTC source were spread all across the Alsa-specific code. You raise an issue I never would have considered. I don't see an obvious answer to this one, and some real thought will be required. In the meantime, the ALSA driver isn't going anywhere. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports.http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Cross-platform Rosegarden
When I got into acoustic drums, I ended up with an audio interface that is only useful on Windows or OS-X. I'm not paying what they want for a Mac, and that is how I came to be running Windows for audio recording. Since I finally had to break down and buy a Windows machine, I have been working on a side project with Richard Bown to take Rosegarden cross-platform. The objective is a Rosegarden that can compile and run usefully on Linux, Windows, and hopefully OS-X, using the same codebase for all platforms, and with centrally managed, regular releases. After some initial work that was good for other platforms at the expense of being too destructive to Linux, I am taking a hard look at switching from ALSA to RtMidi, which Richard reports as "just about" recording and playing MIDI in the original Windows fork. I haven't begun on any of this yet, but it does look encouraging. RtMidi can use JACK MIDI or ALSA, in that order, which addresses all of the users who wish we had JACK MIDI support. The plan I am currently sketching out is to switch Rosegarden over to RtMidi on Linux, get that working, and then the resulting Rosegarden will be easier to port to other platforms. This removes the biggest dependency that is absolutely Linux-specific. Before I really dive into pulling all of this together, I thought it would be appropriate to see how both the developer and user communities feel about all this. In the meantime, I'm off to see the new Star Trek movie in IMAX. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports.http://sdm.link/zohodev2dev ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New(ish) lock feature.
On 06/24/2016 12:53 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > Might be a good criteria for offering an "ignore" button to clear it > out easily. In theory, I feel it defeats the purpose, since it's too easy to ignore the situation. Boy who cried wolf and all that. Ignore, ignore, oops. In practice, I've had maybe one legit lock file collision and countless illegitimate ones. The lock files are mildly annoying in the field. Maybe a button is just too much of an invitation to ignore a legitimate collision. Maybe a --ignore-lockfile command line option? Just a passing thought. Tired. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Attend Shape: An AT Tech Expo July 15-16. Meet us at AT Park in San Francisco, CA to explore cutting-edge tech and listen to tech luminaries present their vision of the future. This family event has something for everyone, including kids. Get more information and register today. http://sdm.link/attshape ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Bug or feature?
On 06/15/2016 03:14 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > Those are in the "Instrument Parameters" box on the left side. If they're missing, it's because you don't have any banks/programs defined in the studio. > The idea behind sending this stuff out is that Rosegarden is in > control of bank/program/CCs. So, it needs to send out something > initially to make sure everything is where it should be for the start of > the composition. Yup. Theoretically, if you don't define anything in the studio, there shouldn't be anything to set to a known state. I would almost bet we still set pan/volume/reverb/chorus for legacy reasons though. > I think it would be best for you to get me set up so that I can see > what you are talking about. It all seems very strange to me right now. >It's not how I work with rg at all. Leave it to users to come up with weird stuff. Especially THAT rascal. :-P -- D. Michael McIntyre -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=1444514421=/41014381 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Solo LEDs
On 06/14/2016 11:47 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > Maybe the users can help us sort out how this should behave intuitively > and functionally. And maybe this is it, incidentally. I'm not saying otherwise. Just a quick gut reaction from a guy who last used commercial software with a coypright date of 1991 or so on it. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=1444514421=/41014381 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New Solo LEDs
On 06/14/2016 07:49 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > Clicking on a solo LED puts it in solo. Shift-clicking adds another > track to solo. Just testing visuals this morning. That works, and it's intuitive enough. > The solo button on the transport and the editors is a > quick way to solo the selected track. The solo no longer follows the > track selection. Hopefully no one was too attached to that feature. Having an "undo my careful selection of stuff I soloed" button seems dubious. Shift click to green light tracks 1 3 5 7 9, hit the solo button. Turns off solo on track 1. Hit the solo button again. Turns off 3 5 7 9 and solos track 1. I think my intuition still expects this button to toggle solo mode off and on. You have that selection of solo tracks you want to hear in solo mode, and you want to go out of solo mode to hear everything, then back into solo mode. I suppose the LEDs should be half lit or something when they're on but solo is not active. We had this discussion before though, and your answer was 15 pages of my head hurting trying to get into yours, so I just don't know man. I'm getting too old for this stuff. Maybe the users can help us sort out how this should behave intuitively and functionally. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity planning reports. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=1444514421=/41014381 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] More than 100 measures?
On 05/12/2016 04:41 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote: >>> figure out how to make more than 100 measures to work with. What's >>> going on? How can I extend it? Or just grab something and drag it. The composition expands automatically by default. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Mobile security can be enabling, not merely restricting. Employees who bring their own devices (BYOD) to work are irked by the imposition of MDM restrictions. Mobile Device Manager Plus allows you to control only the apps on BYO-devices by containerizing them, leaving personal data untouched! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/304595813;131938128;j ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden not add audio segments in UbuntuStudio 16.04
On 04/29/2016 11:50 AM, WMID wrote: > Hi to all, In UbuntuStudio 15.10 when insert an audio segment all > working fine. The format that I use is wav 16 bits and 44100, but in > UbuntuStudio 16.04 not working, I don't understand why > > Here an snapshot: > > http://i.imgur.com/izrXGAW.png I have some idea what could be going wrong, and how, but I do not have time to investigate this for another day or two. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Keyboard command for increasing velocity just a little
On 04/18/2016 09:36 AM, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > Is there any easy way to change the velocity of notes in small, consistent > steps (preferably, one unit at a time) from the keyboard? Yes, but it's impressively evil. Select a note and Alt+J L V [tab] [type new velocity] [enter]. It works, but I wouldn't want to do that all day. If you draw up a feature request for a better way to do this, I'll get to it relatively soon. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] File Locking
On 04/12/2016 10:17 AM, Yves Guillemot wrote: >> contents of some pixels on the screen in a dialog is obnoxious when you >> have to clear a lock file after a crash. >> > Why not a button to clear the lock ? I thought about that, but it seems too tempting to invite users to just click away a problem instead of taking the time to investigate and deal with it. Couldn't you have a .rg file on a shared volume that was being edited by instances of Rosegarden on two entirely separate computers? In that case, a scan of the local machine for active Rosegarden processes would turn out negative, but the danger of losing work would be real enough. I also thought about a use at own risk command line option. --force-unlock or something like that. Whatever the solution, an improvement seems like a good plan. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting
On 04/11/2016 04:13 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: >> I *might* download and compile it As of revision 14597, working with your Unnamed.rg file: When you find the whole notes that are too big for their measures, you can select them and Adjust -> Notes... -> Tie Notes at Barlines When you find those three notes that are supposed to be in a separate voice, you can select them and Segment -> New Layer From Selection This creates a new segment with the same properties as the current working segment, cuts the notes out of the original, pastes them into the new segment at the same place. They don't seem to move at all, etc., and just change places. All I ended up doing was just stringing together a bunch of off-the-shelf stuff in a new and time-saving way. I folded together bits of code lifted from several places, and got it knocked together in a couple of hours. There some issues with the new function I just added. * If you undo this operation, the notes move back where they came from, but the new segment remains. I don't know how to solve that, so I left the loose end for someone else to attack one of these days. * The rests come out just looking like hell. Rosegarden doesn't really handle this overall situation very well at all. It's a hacky kludge more than a real feature, and it always has been. I've been dealing with it for years, because fixing it properly would be a very large undertaking. One day I want to improve the way Rosegarden deals with rests and such in alternative voice segments, but that is a big project, and I have bite sized chunks of time. * I haven't made up an icon for the thing yet. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/302982198;130105516;z ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting
On 04/11/2016 07:09 AM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > So this tie notes at bars thing does work, but these 4-beat notes in a > 2-beat bar are a case it does not handle. Looks like it has been that > way about 15 years. I got that one dealt with. If you ever end up in this situation again, you can select all those whole notes in 2/4 time and Adjust -> Notes... -> Tie Notes at Barlines now. As a nice bonus, the next time you change from 4/4 to 2/4 you won't even have to run this manually. The underlying function was already being called in this scenario, but it didn't handle this case correctly. It does now. After manually fixing the whole notes in your file, I changed the time signature to 1/4 and immediately got four tied quarter notes, one per bar. Perfect. Well there you go. Removing one = sign went a very long way this time! -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/ gampad/clk?id=1444514301=/ca-pub-7940484522588532 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting
On 04/11/2016 05:06 AM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Thank you very much for the information! And I definitely won't be > leaving Rosegarden any time soon. I'm really having fun with this. You caught me at a better time than most new users do. It's not often I can get work done this close to somebody having a problem. So this tie notes at bars thing does work, but these 4-beat notes in a 2-beat bar are a case it does not handle. Looks like it has been that way about 15 years. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/ gampad/clk?id=1444514301=/ca-pub-7940484522588532 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting
On 04/07/2016 07:00 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > I don't mind sending it here. I'm going to address the "Tie Notes at Barlines" thing not working directly. By the look of things, this has been broken for a very long time, and it looks to be a little adventure to sort this out. The place where you experienced the weirdness with the tied notes not behaving as you expected is because you are trying to put two different voices on the same staff. Finale, Sibelius, and MusE Score can't do that either. In the top voice, you have: 2-4-4-4-4- In the bottom voice, you have: 2-4 4 4 4- The notes in the bottom voice can't be tied, because they change pitches. This kind of figure is extremely common in guitar music with a walking bass line. To get this kind of thing entered correctly, you have to put each voice in a different segment, and overlap them. This tutorial is very old, but the gist of it is still applicable today: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/tutorials/supplemental/piano/ We have some new features that are supposed to make the job easier, but I just tried them, and I am not happy. I made a feature request for a "Move selection to new layer" function that will automate a lot of the hand work and simplify this process. Now I just need to go write the code! You may as well hang out until I work on these issues. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/ gampad/clk?id=1444514301=/ca-pub-7940484522588532 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting
On 04/09/2016 06:22 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Can it cover bends and vibrato on an electric guitar? > > Unless things have changed or I simply missed how to do it, these can > be put in a score for electric guitar, but MIDI can't do it. Am I > wrong? I'm not aware of anything that could generate the controllers for that kind of thing automatically, but if you put enough care and attention into it, you can probably simulate both techniques adequately using pitch bend controllers. If nothing else, you can use MIDI to trigger samples, therefore MIDI can reproduce literally anything. This kind of nuanced expression requires a great deal of hand work, but MIDI can do it. Having done it both ways, I find it much easier to play the thing than to fake it with MIDI. This is why I bought an electric guitar, actually. > Thank you very much. I'm in no hurry. Good luck dealing with the job. I lived through my career as a gasoline tanker driver. It is finished. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/ gampad/clk?id=1444514301=/ca-pub-7940484522588532 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting
On 04/08/2016 12:29 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > Not that I think we should abandon the old way by any means, but maybe > there ought to be a notation 2.0, completely reworked to be an easy > learning curve for those who already know the old notation, but make > more sense to coding. I wonder if that's even possible. There are all kinds of strange little projects out there already, but nothing ever gains enough traction to displace traditional notation. For that matter, I think and deal with western traditional notation exclusively, but there are other traditions that are of a similar age. It reminds me of this cartoon about standards: https://xkcd.com/927/ Reading back over my previous comments, I'd like to point out that all of those pages and pages of things Rosegarden can't render always come down to just a bar here and a bar there. I've worked out a lot of ways to fake my way around things like this over the years, and usually get something done, but not without compromises. Even LilyPond, vast and venerable as it is, still requires compromises sometimes. People could engrave literally anything on a music plate back in the day, and they did! > You know, I say that I'm completely new to composing on a computer, > but that's not *quite* true. In the days of DOS, I remember creating a > BASIC file that would play some notes using computer beeps, lol. I > remember doing Slayer's "War Ensemble" that way and it was hilarious. > Just a random thought. The first program I used to compose computer music had four voices of polyphony, and no real control over what the voices sounded like. I typed it out of a Rainbow magazine, and it took hours. You composed melodies on a vertical grid, by typing pitches at the right time intervals. It was just like a MOD tracker in that respect, but way before MOD files existed. Things have come a long way! -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Find and fix application performance issues faster with Applications Manager Applications Manager provides deep performance insights into multiple tiers of your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and reduces your MTTR. Get your free trial! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/ gampad/clk?id=1444514301=/ca-pub-7940484522588532 ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Ugly notation formatting
On 04/07/2016 07:04 PM, Silas Mortimer wrote: > If I might ask, because I've been wondering about this, what makes > doing notation so difficult? I think the root of it is because notation is a very analog, infinitely-variable kind of thing that is difficult to represent and manipulate in an orderly digital world. I have probably over 1,000 pages of commercially published sheet music for various instruments sitting around in my house, and it probably wouldn't take me 30 seconds to find a score that Rosegarden can't be used to reproduce. It would probably take me more on the order of 30 minutes to find a score that Rosegarden CAN reproduce exactly like the original, with no compromises. I would probably have to pull that out of some basic band method book too. Notation is difficult, because of the amount of effort that would be required to address any random one of a hundred different scenarios I could come up with that Rosegarden doesn't know how to handle. Kneed beams. How the hell would we ever make kneed beams work without seriously rethinking everything from the ground up? I have utterly no idea. Anacrusis is something I've banged on off and on for years, and we still can't really handle it probably, or get it exported to LilyPond properly. Close, but not really a cigar. I have a trumpet method book with 1,000 pages of stuff Rosegarden can't handle. It's basic, common stuff that's hard to work out how to achieve in a notation editor grafted onto a MIDI sequencer. After 15 years of this, I could go on for days, Silas. Doing notation on top of a sequencer is borderline insanity, but it's a crazy kind of fun to challenge the limits of what is possible, even if it isn't smart or practical. The true notation editors like MusE Score and Finale (they work directly with notes and lines and staffs instead of MIDI) have an easier time with a great many of these problems, but they face their own nightmares. Those things are especially weak when it comes to rendering imperfect human performances on a page. I've seen absolutely nothing on any platform in close to 30 years of computer music that could produce a playable sheet of music without a considerable amount of fiddling around to tweak all the glitches. I'm pretty sure if that magic button could be written, it would be on the market by now, and would probably cost $10,000 a copy. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
