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If you are referring to Tyco WS sprinklers, then you do see that it is not
listed when there is a horizontal mullion but you also see in its installation
details that there is no maximum distance indicated for the “ceiling” to the
sprinkler. Yup, go look at. One other aspect to this is that ther
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Agree 100%. Follow the Listing - period.
If an architect or an engineer wants to violate the Listing, let them
provide direction and assume all liability.
Thanks,
John
John August Denhardt, PE
*Vice President, Engineering and Technical Services*
*American Fire Sprinkler Association*
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Here is how I see it. All manufacturers prohibit horizontal mullions. My
guess is they failed testing when horizontal millions were present. The
building code requires the windows to be protected with listed sprinklers.
Even if I did put the additional window sprinkler below the
horizontal million
I would ask - what would the lower sprinklers do? It seems like higher level
sprinklers would go off first and then prevent the lower ones from operating.
As you mentioned, they are not listed for that application.
I have had the discussion before: If you want a fire rating, and a window, you
pth of the mullions
to any consideration.
Tony
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Jack
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h of the mullions
to any consideration.
Tony
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Jack
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
The ICC p
Subject: Re: Window sprinklers
>From what I understand Tyco was not invited to the hearings for the proposed
>changes and the rug was pulled out from under them in regard to the Tyco WS
>sprinkler for 1hr and 2hr equivalency. This is a big deal that has yet to hit
>the fan so to sp
: Friday, February 22, 2013 01:15 AM
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Subject: Re: Window sprinklers
>From what I understand Tyco was not invited to the hearings for the proposed
>changes and the rug was pulled out from under them in regard to the Tyco WS
>sprinkler for 1hr and 2hr eq
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I presume you mean a window with two panes separated by a vertical mullion.
By most Codes/Rules: If the sprinkler/drencher is located centred on the
mullion then one is OK. If mullion is less then 40mm proud of surface it can
be ignored. Otherwise each pane of a window must be sprayed individually.
ebruary 21, 2013 2:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
I think only horizontal mullions are considered an obstruction to
wetting the glass. Also, in IBC 2013, the sprinkler equivalent for
Fire Rated is no longer approved.
Quoting Rod DiBona :
Pretty sure you d
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I think only horizontal mul
I think only horizontal mullions are considered an obstruction to
wetting the glass. Also, in IBC 2013, the sprinkler equivalent for
Fire Rated is no longer approved.
Quoting Rod DiBona :
Pretty sure you do. The mullion acts as a barrier. More than likely
if you present the dilemma to the
Pretty sure you do. The mullion acts as a barrier. More than likely if you
present the dilemma to the A/E team they change the window.
Rod at Rapid
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riday, April 02, 2010 7:02 PM
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Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
Reliable Model FM for one. They are not listed to make the glass 1 hour
rated, but they are listed for exposure protection.
Greg McGahan
Living Water Fire Protection
(850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1
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Who else has a listing?
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs
2.8K heads.
George Medina Jr.
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From: Greg McGahan
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Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2010 7:01 pm
Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
You know there are window sprinklers other than Tyco's. I take the word "sill"
iterally when apply
forum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
The NRC Canada's IRC has an interesting article on the use of SSP QR heads
to protect tempered glass windows, but I don't believe ICC has adopted any
of these yet.
http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/irc/ctus/ctus-n12.html
Thom McMahon, SE
The NRC Canada's IRC has an interesting article on the use of SSP QR heads to
protect tempered glass windows, but I don't believe ICC has adopted any of
these yet.
http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/irc/ctus/ctus-n12.html
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Ste
Who else has a listing?
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
You know there are window sprinklers other than Tyco's.
Greg Mc
On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:53 PM
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Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
So long as the water can sheet down the glass from point of contact at the top,
to the bottom of each panel, you can do it. As Thom said, refer to the data
sheet for
10 12:52 PM
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Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
George,
The objective is that the entire surface of the glass be wetted.
John Drucker, CET
Fire Protection Subcode Official
Fire/Building/Electrical Inspector
Fire Marshals Office
Borough of Red Bank, NJ
-Or
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Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:31 PM
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I apologize for not being more clear, the 2½" mullions are vertical and was
asking if each panel required sep
Behalf Of George Medina Jr
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:31 PM
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Subject: Re: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
I apologize for not being more clear, the 2½" mullions are vertical and was
asking if each panel required separate sprinklers for them exceeding 1".
Than
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Subject: Re: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
I apologize for not being more clear, the 2½" mullions are vertical and was
asking if each
2010 12:22 pm
Subject: RE: WINDOW SPRINKLERS
You're not allowed horizontal mullions or molding. The glazing can be
eparated by vertical mullions so long as each panel has its own sprinkler, but
orizontal bumps are a deal-breaker.
Steve Leyton
rotection Design & Consulting
an Diego
You're not allowed horizontal mullions or molding. The glazing can be
separated by vertical mullions so long as each panel has its own sprinkler, but
horizontal bumps are a deal-breaker.
Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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In regard to the first question about to WS or not to WS, note that
the building code is:
On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:59 PM, John Drucker wrote:
> BETWEEN 4 INCHES AND 12 INCHES (10
In regard to the first question about to WS or not to WS, note that
the building code is:
On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:59 PM, John Drucker wrote:
> BETWEEN 4 INCHES AND 12 INCHES (102 MM AND 305 MM) AWAY
> FROM THE GLASS AND DESIGNED SO THAT THE ENTIRE SURFACE OF THE GLASS
> IS WET
> UPON ACTIVATION
ch 08, 2010 4:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
Bob:
I agree, Bob. My dear friend John Drucker would be disappointed in me for
forgetting about the ability of the building code in providing such
prescriptive alternatives. My intent was to just make the distincti
ss
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:11 PM
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
Wait. You mean this exterior dry horizontal sidewall head I'm supposed to
center over the exterior window connected to the wet system piping in the
ceiling might not work the way the en
Wait. You mean this exterior dry horizontal sidewall head I'm supposed to
center over the exterior window connected to the wet system piping in the
ceiling might not work the way the engineer drew it? Buy an engineer drew
it? It's on the drawring?
(my apologies, a sore spot still..)
Wong
Not un
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(TECH- 103)
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
Bob:
I agree, Bob. My dear friend John Drucker would be disappointed in me for
forgetting about the ability of the building code in providing such
prescriptive
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
Bob:
Wasn't the whole Atrium glass issue because the walls around an atrium were
being treated like exposure protection, not as rated assembly compliance?
What I think I heard, and could be wrong, was that SSP/ssu closely spaces
we
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Sal,
I am not challenging your knowledge or
ssage-
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
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Bob:
Wasn't the whole Atrium glass issue because the walls around
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
Sal,
I am not challenging your knowledge or expertise, and while I
1:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
In answering this question, one must first ask if there is fire resistance
rating required to be maintained with this installation. Only listed window
sprinklers are tested and listed to provide an actual fire resistance
Cantara Lane, Vista, CA 92081
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Window sprinklers
In ans
In answering this question, one must first ask if there is fire resistance
rating required to be maintained with this installation. Only listed window
sprinklers are tested and listed to provide an actual fire resistance rating
for glazing. This is because these sprinklers are tested in accord
Only the person that specified the rated wall or alternate means and methods
for the glass can answer that. You'll note NFPA 13 doesn't have anything
for a contractor to follow, thus this is architect or engineering work to
decide how to do it.
FWIW I've seen both and am comfortable with SS when
Everything you need to know is in the ICC Legacy report including why you need
a pony wall.
Rahe Loftin
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Thom,
Great info. Than
Thom,
Great info. Thanks.
Cliff
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
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To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
There
ICC link to report
http://www.icc-es.org/reports/pdf_files/NES/NER516.pdf
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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Thom,
That brings up another issue I've been wondering about. I am being required
to use these on both sides of the windows. I have not studied the details
yet but if the top of the window is at 7' AFF and the ceiling is at
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
Also unless the windows extend to the ceiling the widow sprinklers will be
placed lower th
Tel: 970-879-7952
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I would say no you can't use them for floor coverage. On the plus side
I would say no you can't use them for floor coverage. On the plus side
though I don't think you have to worry about cold soldering from the
ceiling sprinklers either.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ 85024
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
Its important to keep the context of the building code clear. First 2006 IBC
Section 704 applies to EXTERIOR WALLS.
2006 IBC 704.12 "Opening Protection" applies to; "WINDOWS in EXTERIOR WALLS
REQUIRED to have protected openings in accordance with ot
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You DO NOT need building code permission use these heads in an unsprinklered
building. They comply with the building code. The building
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Yes but the building code does not! So I guess where you have no building
code your OK.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech,
ay to all,
Ron Fletcher
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In an exposure fire like the one described, it would be the respons
In an exposure fire like the one described, it would be the responsibility of
the design team to make sure that the fusible link of the sprinkler head is in
an area that can "sense" the exposure threat. NFPA 80A discusses this concept
in its appendix. So the glass bulb in the sprinkler head shou
That explains a lot about the composition of fire-rated glazing. I don't know
what the treatment is that's applied to "Fire-Lite" or other rated glass but
the knock on those products is that they are exorbitantly expensive. It's not
as if you can order up pieces of it - you have to purchase
Yes but the building code does not! So I guess where you have no building
code your OK.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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This thread has already gone on way too long but I can't let this slide.
Scott: If your installing window sprinklers in an unsprinklered building,
your already outside the scope of the listing and the building code, so your
using your "Engineer" Status to say that this will work! And with that your
Thanks man, great information.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ
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ToMAYto, toMAHto - my point only being that it's not as if these
sprinklers just showed up with the I-codes. Quell is ne
l relative.
Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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10 years is new wh
: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
10 years is new when you've been in this trade for 30 yrs. wouldn't you
think?
Russell Rewis
Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc.
107C Hemlock Street
Valdosta, Georgia 31601
229-244-8
10 years is new when you've been in this trade for 30 yrs. wouldn't you
think?
Russell Rewis
Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc.
107C Hemlock Street
Valdosta, Georgia 31601
229-244-8130
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The obvious answer would be heat that directly threatens the glass; a
sprinkler could react directly to heat on the same side or to heat
radiated
Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
Rated glass walls have been used for ages but the Tyco window sprinkler
is
fairly new so I've been wondering what has been done in the past to
address
this issue architecturally wise. I ca
icc-es.org/reports/pdf_files/NES/NER516.pdf
John Drucker
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The window sprinkler was
Rated glass walls have been used for ages but the Tyco window sprinkler is
fairly new so I've been wondering what has been done in the past to address
this issue architecturally wise. I called an architect and questioned him on
it. He said that a long time ago one could use wire glass. Now he uses
tober 01, 2008 10:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
If that happens what's the problem?
If FD is on the scene and attacking the fire then most likely occupants
are out, hose streams are in play and sprinklers at the glass are a
non-issue. What about
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2006 IBC 704.12 provides for exterior window opening utilizing a water
curtain. "Exception - Opening protectives are not required where th
esday, October 01, 2008 1:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
That was my point exactly. Not how to install the head per the listing.
A manual system would be more dependable than a closed head system with no heat
collection.
Here's a what if. What if ther
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Just a note about the mentioning of "sprinkler activation". The
the window sprinkler
has activated.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ
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J
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Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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Just a note about the menti
I believe the issue is similar to in-rack sprinklers in that the activation is
more or less direct flame impingement. If there is enough heat to jeopardize
the side of a building the head will likely activate.
Rich Richardson
Seattle Fire Department
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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:10 AM
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So the test assumes the glass remains intact until s
Just a note about the mentioning of "sprinkler activation". The data sheet
states that the advantages are its ability to wet the entire glass and the
quick activation time. Well, that quick activation time is a mystery to me
because the data states that there is no specific distance below the
ceili
icial (AHJ)
Red Bank, NJ
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The window sprinkler was tested using the exact same criteri
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Yes.
Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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And nobody thinks that might be a problem? I have installed these heads four
feet below a ceiling and outside with only the mullion to act as a heat
01, 2008 8:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
Same as for any rated wall or partition. It can't do it's job if it's
not intact.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO B
Yes.
Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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Ron
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So the
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:10 AM
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So the test assumes the glass remains intact
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Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
The window sprinkler was tested using the exact same criteria as is used
to establish any other rated assembly. A test fire is built on one
side of the subject and burned for the duration of the rating and then
there's a steady-stream hose test
yton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA
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Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:43 AM
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Just a guess but I thin
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From: "Bill Minkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, October 01, 2008 9:27
Ah, Gotcha
Bill Minkel, Designer
Dallas, TX
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:16 PM
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Of course it's MORE than ade
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Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:29 AM
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Subject: RE: Wind
D] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:24 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Window Sprinklers
IT has been reported to me (equates to I have not checked the cut
sheet) that the WS sprinklers can not be used on load bearing walls.
Has anyone encountered this a
IT has been reported to me (equates to I have not checked the cut
sheet) that the WS sprinklers can not be used on load bearing walls.
Has anyone encountered this aspect?
Roland
On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Steve Leyton wrote:
The Tyco tests very conspicuously did not, nor does the listing
TED] On Behalf Of Steve
Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 7:54 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
A HA!!! That's the point, isn't it? That the architect failed to
completely design the building and account for the protection of
windows
a
, September 30, 2008 11:07 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
Now the "Window sprinkler" is an alternate to 2Hr. rating, but in the
situation described, it would appear the school is a fully sprinklered
structure, so under the building code they may ha
nsive swimming pools. :-(
Regards,
Mark Cummings
Sydney, Australia
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Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2008 12:39 AM
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9:55 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
Well all that's being said gives me cause to drop this hot potato in the
hands of the architect AND engineer and be sure I have a written directive
on how to proceed. I was thinking that I could fall back on the old d
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:38 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers
The Tyco tests very conspicuously did not, nor does the listing include
doors or moving casement windows. Fixed glass only, no horizont
Well all that's being said gives me cause to drop this hot potato in the
hands of the architect AND engineer and be sure I have a written directive
on how to proceed. I was thinking that I could fall back on the old days and
do what was done thousands of times in the past, but I guess not.
Thanks
ndow Sprinklers
Can glass door be protected by a window sprinkler?
Ron Fletcher
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