Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-26 Thread gregg
Chris Ilias nmo2@... writes: On 11-06-15 2:13 PM, PhillipJones wrote: That's typical of developers. If they don't use it, whether user it, it gone be daxxxed. Phillip, prejudice comments like that are not welcome here. In the past, you've spread a lot of misinformation about

Seamonkey 2.1/2.2 breaking Java plugin support on Centos 5 Linux?

2011-07-11 Thread Alain Alain
I'm a long-time user of Seamonkey, from since it was called Mozilla. The recent 2.1 and 2.2 updates seem to have broken Java support on my Centos 5.5 box (32 bits) and I really can't figure this out. Seamonkey is installed in /usr/local. Starting from 2.1, the /usr/local/seamonkey/plugins

Re: Seamonkey 2.1/2.2 breaking Java plugin support on Centos 5 Linux?

2011-07-11 Thread Philip Chee
On 12/07/2011 01:32, Alain Alain wrote: I'm a long-time user of Seamonkey, from since it was called Mozilla. The recent 2.1 and 2.2 updates seem to have broken Java support on my Centos 5.5 box (32 bits) and I really can't figure this out. Seamonkey is installed in /usr/local. Starting

Re: Seamonkey 2.1/2.2 breaking Java plugin support on Centos 5 Linux?

2011-07-11 Thread WLS
Alain Alain wrote: I'm a long-time user of Seamonkey, from since it was called Mozilla. The recent 2.1 and 2.2 updates seem to have broken Java support on my Centos 5.5 box (32 bits) and I really can't figure this out. Seamonkey is installed in /usr/local. Starting from 2.1, the

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-07 Thread Chris Ilias
On 11-07-07 1:13 AM, Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Guys, the gist of this discussion has been You don't understand... No, /you/ don't understand... No, it's you that doesn't understand... The discussion has gone nowhere and has gone on way too long. If you care to continue it, please take it

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-07 Thread Jay Garcia
On 07.07.2011 01:01, Chris Ilias wrote: --- Original Message --- On 11-07-07 1:13 AM, Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Guys, the gist of this discussion has been You don't understand... No, /you/ don't understand... No, it's you that doesn't understand... The discussion has gone nowhere

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread MCBastos
with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Multivac. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 06/07/2011 19:03, Rufus told the world: No. You just don't understand what I'm getting at. I'm not saying bring Mozilla to iOS. I'm saying it's not impossible to duplicate the SM experience using WebKit. For a given, very particular, very limited

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-06 Thread Rufus
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end. Robert Kaiser -- Note

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: ...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't believe that. And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on something else due to resource constraints (and

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: ...and I'm ok with the Webkit usage requirement. Never said I didn't believe that. And we are unable to build a SeaMonkey based on WebKit, due to requiring XUL for our current code and not being able to re-write the whole app on something else due to

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let this thread end.

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst complainers ever

2011-07-05 Thread J. Weaver Jr.
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a non-Mozilla-based app, so please just let

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst complainers ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for And it's outside the abilities of the SeaMonkey team to produce a non-Mozilla-based app, so

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
due to resource constraints (and just not wanting to - which is argument #1 in a volunteer community). Robert Kaiser That's what I was looking to hear. Not that it's impossible. Look Rufus. You have now strayed far off the topic of criticizing Seamonkey 2.1. Really, your rants belong

Re: Some of topic: Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Actually, 2.3 might be something I could be interested in. Maybe. Too many things are changing in the Mac world at once... My big fear remains the Lion OS, it's iOS-like full screen app implementation (which I hope I can turn off, or find a hack to turn off)

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst complainers ever

2011-07-05 Thread MCBastos
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst complainers ever

2011-07-05 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 05/07/2011 14:44, J. Weaver Jr. told the world: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: I got that a *long* time ago...in point of fact I knew that going in. A Mozilla based app is clearly *not* what I'm asking for And it's outside the

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another one

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread PhillipJones
Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread MCBastos
under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my HOLMES IV. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 04/07/2011 18:16, Rufus told the world: I do fully understand that in the case of SM I'm talking about a *brand new* product - that certainly isn't impossible or not allowed, and there are a whole host of non-Apple branded browsing apps on Apples store

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Lee
On 7/4/11, Rufus n...@home.com wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
Lee wrote: On 7/4/11, Rufusn...@home.com wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-04 Thread Rufus
Lee wrote: On 7/4/11, Rufusn...@home.com wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
cyberzen wrote: MCBastos a écrit : Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 05:11, cyberzen told the world: MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? Joke all you want, but those are

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Rufus
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Bill Davidsen
chicagofan wrote: James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now makes me say things

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Rufus
Bill Davidsen wrote: Rufus wrote: MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-07-03 Thread Philip Chee
On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 17:32:08 -0700, Rufus wrote: No, I don't think *you* understand. Go to the Apple App store and do a search on browser - you will find pages of iPad and iPhone browsers that *directly* compete with Apples Safari browser...I may have even found another one that I like

Problems with SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-29 Thread Avraham Ariel
Hi, I recently upgraded SeaMonkey from Ver. 2.0.14 to 2.1. The lethal results were: 1. I lost the Status Bar while in Mail mode. It is there in BROWSING, COMPOSER, ADDRESS BOOK CHAT ZILLA modes, but not when the Mail List is displayed. 2. While composing a msg, I used to have a horizontal tool

Re: Problems with SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-29 Thread Jens Hatlak
Avraham Ariel wrote: 1. I lost the Status Bar while in Mail mode. It is there in BROWSING, COMPOSER, ADDRESS BOOK CHAT ZILLA modes, but not when the Mail List is displayed. This can be caused by incompatible extensions, in this case MailNews-related ones. For me it was Mailbox Alert 0.14.5

Re: Problems with SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-29 Thread Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
Avraham Ariel wrote: Hi, I recently upgraded SeaMonkey from Ver. 2.0.14 to 2.1. The lethal results were: 1. I lost the Status Bar while in Mail mode. It is there in BROWSING, COMPOSER, ADDRESS BOOK CHAT ZILLA modes, but not when the Mail List is displayed. 2. While composing a msg, I used to

Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-27 Thread Bill Davidsen
Jens Hatlak wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier to provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually WORKS instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others staying with old versions because they

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 text

2011-06-27 Thread berniez
Philip Chee wrote: On 13/06/2011 08:21, bern...@nospam.com wrote: I have just installed Seamonkey 2.1 over the last version 2.0.14. In any event something seems strange to me. The text in the browser window looks like a printer running out of ink. The letters are there but the text is not clean

Re: Growing pains with Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-25 Thread Herrmann Hofer
Craig wrote: 2. In going to other pages, I have gotten a warning bar about re-directing. I clicked allow there and it didn't happen again. I know there must be a setting someplace, but I cannot find it (and I even checked the FAQ this time). Preferences - Appearance - Content - Warn me when

Re: Growing pains with Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-25 Thread Jens Hatlak
Craig wrote: I know there must be a setting someplace, but I cannot find it (and I even checked the FAQ this time). The answer that Herrmann gave (thanks!) is now part of the FAQ, too. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/

Re: Growing pains with Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-25 Thread Craig
- Content - Warn me when web sites try to redirect... Hope this helps It works! It works! Somehow I saw it when I first set up SeaMonkey 2.1 and thought it might be helpful. Then, when I went back to correct it, I didn't see it when I looked at the Content tab. I looked more carefully

Re: Growing pains with Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-25 Thread Craig
Jens Hatlak wrote: Craig wrote: I know there must be a setting someplace, but I cannot find it (and I even checked the FAQ this time). The answer that Herrmann gave (thanks!) is now part of the FAQ, too. HTH Jens Thank you, Jens, for keeping up the FAQ. Craig

Growing pains with Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-24 Thread Craig
Now that I have gotten my bookmarks situation straightened out, I've run into a couple more problems: 1. In going to to some pages, I get a warning bar at the top of the window that says, SeaMonkey prevented this page from automatically reloading. I click the Allow button, but after going

Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-22 Thread get-funky.dig
CONGRATULATIONS, Seamonkey development crew, and contributing community members. Your extraordinary work is certainly appreciated. I am proud to be a Seamonkey User. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-21 Thread Ant
On 6/20/2011 5:52 PM PT, Paul Bergsagel typed: Check and see if NoSquint is available for 2.1 I'm using NoSquint with 2.1 and it works perfectly. Are you using http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/nosquint-1.93.2.1-mod.xpi from http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html, or a

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-21 Thread chicagofan
James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now makes me say things like A beta user

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-21 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
chicagofan wrote: James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: As for me, my personal priorities have changed as stated in http://home.kairo.at/blog/2010-10/personal_priorities and I moved on, see also http://home.kairo.at/blog/2011-05/full_time_at_csi_mozilla - which now makes me say things

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-21 Thread NoOp
On 06/20/2011 01:06 PM, James E. Morrow wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: ... I'm not too far away, but not here as much as previously. And I feel good getting less vitriol about my work and working with people who can do Mozilla stuff full-time. ;-) Robert Kaiser As one who has read and

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-21 Thread Paul Bergsagel
Ant wrote: On 6/20/2011 5:52 PM PT, Paul Bergsagel typed: Check and see if NoSquint is available for 2.1 I'm using NoSquint with 2.1 and it works perfectly. Are you using http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/nosquint-1.93.2.1-mod.xpi from http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html,

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-21 Thread Ant
On 6/21/2011 6:12 PM PT, Paul Bergsagel typed: Check and see if NoSquint is available for 2.1 I'm using NoSquint with 2.1 and it works perfectly. Are you using http://downloads.mozdev.org/xsidebar/mods/nosquint-1.93.2.1-mod.xpi from http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html, or a

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-20 Thread cyberzen
Ed Mullen a écrit : PhillipJones wrote: Sridhar Ayengar wrote: Hi. I just upgraded to Seamonkey 2.1, and I have to say, the experience has been largely painless, and while Seamonkey 2.0.12 used to peg one core of my CPU at 100% for hours at a time, and 2.1 doesn't. Kudos. However

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-20 Thread cyberzen
MCBastos a écrit : Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 05:11, cyberzen told the world: MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? Joke all you want, but those are closely-spaced 16px

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-20 Thread James E. Morrow
Robert Kaiser wrote: Michael Hannon schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: In any case, happy to not be in charge any more, makes laughing about this much easier than in earlier times. Who's in charge now? The collective of the SeaMonkey Council (of which I'm remaining a part, but just as one of

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-20 Thread Paul Bergsagel
PhillipJones wrote: Sridhar Ayengar wrote: Hi. I just upgraded to Seamonkey 2.1, and I have to say, the experience has been largely painless, and while Seamonkey 2.0.12 used to peg one core of my CPU at 100% for hours at a time, and 2.1 doesn't. Kudos. However, there are two things I'm

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-19 Thread Rufus
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/19/2011 12:00 AM, Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new*

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-19 Thread Keith Whaley
Keith Whaley wrote: Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-19 Thread Keith Whaley
Keith Whaley wrote: Nice analogy, MC... keith whaley MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-19 Thread Rufus
Keith Whaley wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we

Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-19 Thread Sridhar Ayengar
Hi. I just upgraded to Seamonkey 2.1, and I have to say, the experience has been largely painless, and while Seamonkey 2.0.12 used to peg one core of my CPU at 100% for hours at a time, and 2.1 doesn't. Kudos. However, there are two things I'm finding irritating with the new version

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-19 Thread PhillipJones
Sridhar Ayengar wrote: Hi. I just upgraded to Seamonkey 2.1, and I have to say, the experience has been largely painless, and while Seamonkey 2.0.12 used to peg one core of my CPU at 100% for hours at a time, and 2.1 doesn't. Kudos. However, there are two things I'm finding irritating

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-19 Thread David E. Ross
On 6/19/11 7:40 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: Hi. I just upgraded to Seamonkey 2.1, and I have to say, the experience has been largely painless, and while Seamonkey 2.0.12 used to peg one core of my CPU at 100% for hours at a time, and 2.1 doesn't. Kudos. However, there are two things I'm

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-19 Thread Ed Mullen
PhillipJones wrote: Sridhar Ayengar wrote: Hi. I just upgraded to Seamonkey 2.1, and I have to say, the experience has been largely painless, and while Seamonkey 2.0.12 used to peg one core of my CPU at 100% for hours at a time, and 2.1 doesn't. Kudos. However, there are two things I'm

Re: Two Problems I'm Having With Seamonkey 2.1

2011-06-19 Thread Philipp van Hüllen
Sridhar Ayengar schrieb: Second, I don't like the new scrolling tab bar. I prefer the old behavior where the tabs just become unreadably small. I tend not to pay attention to what the tabs read. Rather, I memorize the *order* of my tabs. In this case, being able to see, at a glance, *how many*

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread MCBastos
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread MCBastos
algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my BBC Micro. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was interest, somebody would be doing it -- Mozilla is fully free

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
PhillipJones wrote: Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: It's not really a case of Apple not allowing it - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic

Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-18 Thread Jens Hatlak
Bill Davidsen wrote: I'll probably get my post taken down for this, but wouldn't it be easier to provide a compatibility check disable in about:config that actually WORKS instead of having some of us creating hacked xpi files and others staying with old versions because they can't or won't?

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: ...so, Microsoft redux...big deal - Apple's turn. They make a product which suits my desires. So I'll buy it and use it...I don't really care about much more than that, from a user standpoint. So then you have no right to want anything their app store doesn't provide. They

Re: Midori on Apple Devices? [Was: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever]

2011-06-18 Thread d...@kd4e.com
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was interest, somebody would be doing it --

Re: Midori on Apple Devices? [Was: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever]

2011-06-18 Thread d...@kd4e.com
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 22:34, d...@kd4e.com told the world: How does Midori, which ID's as Safari, fit in the mix? I don't have any personal experience with Midori, but I understand from the website that it depends on a separate standard installation of Webkit,

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Philip Chee
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:55:15 -0400, PhillipJones wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was interest, somebody would be

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Philip Chee
On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:18:06 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: ...so, Microsoft redux...big deal - Apple's turn. They make a product which suits my desires. So I'll buy it and use it...I don't really care about much more than that, from a user standpoint. So then you have no right to want anything their app store

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:18:06 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Paul B. Gallagher
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:18:06 -0400, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: d...@kd4e.com wrote: If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread MCBastos
it, while there were real Hondas to be developed? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Cranberry. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 18/06/2011 14:59, Rufus told the world: No, I don't think you're understanding *me* - I'm not interested in the Mozilla technology, I'm interested in the Mozilla *feature set*. Big, subtle difference in that I'm thinking as a user and not a coder, and I

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is a set of design requirements and interface specifications - not

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Rufus
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about is a set of design requirements and

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-18 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 6/19/2011 12:00 AM, Rufus wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 6/18/2011 8:40 PM, Rufus wrote: I find that hard to believe as stated. The feature set as implemented within the *current* releases as coded is dependent on the Gecko engine, but for a *new* product what we are talking about

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread MCBastos
are a minority. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Apple IIe. *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.1 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 16/06/2011 22:44, Rufus told the world: That's simply not true. I have the Atomic browser installed on my iPad and like it...and there are others. Atomic is not a full browser either. It does not include its own rendering engine, but uses the iOS Safari

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: It's not really a case of Apple not allowing it - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-like, and far more feature-rich than

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Rufus
Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: It's not really a case of Apple not allowing it - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic browser - somewhat SM-like, and far

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread MCBastos
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Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Rick Merrill
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to

Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-17 Thread Glen
Bill Davidsen wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: PhillipJones wrote: I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2 long and width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome file (which I have

Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Jens Hatlak wrote: PhillipJones wrote: I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2 long and width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome file (which I have forgotten which file with SM

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread PhillipJones
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 17/06/2011 10:37, Rufus told the world: Seriously - I don't care what goes on under the hood. If I can browse with it on an iPad, it is a full browser to/for me. If Apple wants you to use their rendering engine, then that's just less code you have to

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread Bill Davidsen
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Please don't improve the user interface, the reason I like it is that I don't have to learn all new keystrokes and methods every 4-6 months. The improve, is in all aspects, we don't intend to break your experiences/learned habits there where

Re: SeaMonkey 2.1

2011-06-17 Thread PhillipJones
Glen wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: PhillipJones wrote: I tried QuoteCollase several Times, and iI always ended up with a wide bar at the bottom where the status bar would be be bout 2 long and width of the screen. After removing it I would have to remove chrome file (which I

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread PhillipJones
Rufus wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Rufus schrieb: It's not really a case of Apple not allowing it - it's more a case of developers embracing, stepping up, and coding. There are a number of alternative browsers for iPad, the most popular (I can see why) being the Atomic browser - somewhat

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-17 Thread d...@kd4e.com
If it's based on Safari, it won't be Seamonkey. To develop a Gecko browser, it would be restricted to jailbroken devices. There's simply not enough users, not enough developer interest to do it. If there was interest, somebody would be doing it -- Mozilla is fully free software, after all. How

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread cyberzen
MCBastos a écrit : Now and then I click on the wrong status bar icon and open it when what I wanted was another module... what about quitting coffee ? -- cyberzen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
PhillipJones schrieb: Answer me a Question. How many features have we users begged and plead for developers to keep and they were removed anyway? Fewer than the other way round. And the totally skewed sample of people here in this newsgroup is only a tiny piece of the overall user base. In

Re: Seamonkey 2.1 -- worst version ever

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Kaiser
Rufus schrieb: I was thinking that Opera Mobile would be just the solution for iPad You know that Opera Mobile is not a browser and actually send everything you type in there to a central Opera server (and I'd guess that they try to market the data they're collecting there - I would if I

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