Sadly I realized Joe Armstrong passed away on 20 Apr 2019
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Armstrong_(programmer)
Ir seems the death was because of something with similar effects to
Coronavirus!
rest in peace!
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 2:55:31 PM UTC+4:30, Mohammad wrote:
>
>
Not avoiding tou TT-- small issue of a frieght train intervening-- at least
it felt like a frieght train. It should be another dat now that i'm eating
and drinking, and I should be back on the computer. I'm only on the
computer for this message so I son't have the link but FactCheck.org had a
Possibly a time-card app for people working from home. I can imagine one
using
Thomas Elmiger's list-reveal as a starting point.
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 3:25:31 AM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
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> This thread continues the discussion of Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus:
>
This also is interesting
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00935-3
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Hi TT,
I am afraid I do not follow you! These are small light weight awareness
icons!
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On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 2:40:23 AM UTC+4:30, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
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> *"COVID-19: Free Awareness Icons" *
>
> What! Don't you grasp how bad that sounds???
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Hi Mat,
Really good examples!
Thank you
Mohammad
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:05:12 AM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
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> I'm not quite following this thread but based on the few posts I'm reading
> above, it seems you're looking for a use for TW in the crisis. Maybe this
> could give ideas?
>
>-
I'm not quite following this thread but based on the few posts I'm reading
above, it seems you're looking for a use for TW in the crisis. Maybe this
could give ideas?
- https://css-tricks.com/get-static/
- https://css-tricks.com/emergency-website-kit/
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TT
Perhaps enter imagination mode rather than cynic. Tiddlywiki is great for
cumulative personal notes. It can be used to build personally curated resources
even a database and is easy to share with others.
There is a lot of information out there but more of it is not relevant to
*"COVID-19: Free Awareness Icons" *
What! Don't you grasp how bad that sounds???
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Good to know
https://fontawesome.com/changelog/latest
COVID-19: Free Awareness Icons
Help get the word out about hygiene recommendations and other initiatives
to fight COVID-19! Use these icons in signs, reminders, tracking apps, and
more.
Every solid style icon in this release is free to
It's hard to imagine what TW would bring to the table that PDF's and
standard documents would not.
The exception might be in education, since there are so many parents home
schooling. This would actually be a good use of node.
One computer could host the TW files on node. The kids could do
TonyM
So let's do TW for family movies ...
Just ask me to give a long list. But are they free?
Tips and tools for working at home or learning new skills in extended
> downtime for people who have lost their jobs would be a great place for
> tiddlywiki.
>
How would that help them get jobs?
Ciao Gloom
Footnote, Swan Song, to this thread.
I really should have said, "deep South-East, Redneck Central, very near the
Gulf."
You are right that both Beaumont & Vidor have strong aspects of Cajun
culture.
I lived in Beaumont a while.
TT, x
A Gloom wrote:
>
> TT
>
> It is Southern
Hi Tony!
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 10:14:52 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
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> Mohammad
>
> Thanks for keeping track of this important discussion.
>
>
> Well if this is to share information and see how we can use Tiddlywiki in
> this situation as a tool to help others.
>
> In addition to your
Hi Josiah,
I will!
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On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 2:32:09 PM UTC+4:30, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Mohammad
>
> Could you start a new continuation thread? This one is paginating on web.
>
> Thanks!
> TT
>
> On Thursday, 26 March 2020 10:00:02 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> What Bill
Ciao Mohammad
Could you start a new continuation thread? This one is paginating on web.
Thanks!
TT
On Thursday, 26 March 2020 10:00:02 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> What Bill Gates told about Coronavirus?
>
>
>
University labs are telling the politicians that they would be able to do
the corona virus tests. They wonder why they have not been asked to do so.
If that is so, it should be possible in most countries.
If so why are most countries not testing enough?
Birthe
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Earlier I complained about the elderly getting the news and the latest
corona virus plan from TV. We were to change the TV signal end of this
month. We are now told that it will be postponed for 3 months.
Rather funny because politicians have discussed it but are not really able
to decide
@TT
*"Most people I know won't get tested because they can't afford treatment."*
I believe your friend is misinformed. You test positive, they send you
home unless you require hosipitalization for serious symptoms. There's no
treatment. When they do have something and the government is
>
>
> If the rich don't get it, or those in prison etc.. it is not universal.
>
Touche : ) Prisoners get medical through the prison system I believe its
the state's responsibility to provide for their medical needs.
> Our health care has being threatened a number of times, the "weasel
Only 1.5% of your wage? And the poor are protected? That's worth writing
home about.
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A Gloom,
don't make enough to afford private health insurance-- they are the ones
> whole need universal health not someone making $100,000 or more.
>
If the rich don't get it, or those in prison etc.. it is not universal.
However in Australia we have a medicare levy, medicare being our
TT
It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
>
Vidor actually isn't too far south, its north of Houston and near
Louisiana (more like the east part of the state). What I consider South
Texas is much further south-- the Rio Grande Valley, which is much worst
off.
>
> We would need to get rid of a lot of EU restrictions. Reduce a hell of a
> lot of bureaucrazy.
>
>From experiences in government and private sector-- there's no avoiding
bureaucrazy-- the larger and more complex something gets (like a
corporation or government agency/program) so does the
TT
It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
>
Familiar with the town, spent 12 years in public service in Texas, But
things have most likely changed since then.
> For this situation with the virus you basically said nothing.
Nope, I was speaking in general
TT,
The young doctors are entusiastic and good, but they do not get to have the
same practical experience. Not only because of few hospitals. Also due to
more and more sick being treated without staying at hospital. Really
getting thrown out to heal by themselves at home.
It is a learning
Birthe C wrote:
>
>
> We would need to get rid of a lot of EU restrictions. Reduce a hell of a
> lot of bureaucrazy. The need for health professionals to use most part of
> their working hours to enter data for every possible thing. Much of it of
> no relevance to the actual treatment right
TT,
We would need to get rid of a lot of EU restrictions. Reduce a hell of a
lot of bureaucrazy. The need for health professionals to use most part of
their working hours to enter data for every possible thing. Much of it of
no relevance to the actual treatment right now, but data registers
A Gloom wrote:
>
>
> TT: It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
>>
>> The rest of your post doesn't really say anything much.
>> IS there universal healthcare? Or not?
>>
>
> Never claimed there was-- its a well known fact that America doesn't.
>
> What the rest of
Ciao cara Bifthe
How can we reverse it?
You complain but say nothing about how to slow or reverse it.
Are you witness only?
TT
On Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:46:40 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> Sure that is the way we go.
>
> But large areas without doctors enough is not something we
TT,
I guessed they where not. Buying up what is available on the market for
sale does exclude other buyers wouldn't you think.
Who is a great provider and would they be able to deliver. That would be
nice to know, when the tests done in all countries are ended. If they show
positive results
> It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
>
> The rest of your post doesn't really say anything much.
> IS there universal healthcare? Or not?
>
Never claimed there was-- its a well known fact that America doesn't.
What the rest of post said is America has public
TT,
Sure that is the way we go.
But large areas without doctors enough is not something we like. Really and
exclusion factor. You need to get a visitation to get anywhere else in the
system.
Digitalisation is often mentioned to take up to 50% of the working hours
from doctors and nurses. The
The point is its nothing American. The USA is not a great provider of it.
TT
On Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:34:13 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> I know. About 50 years ago it was used for Malaria.
> Now for a few other diagnoses.
> Widely used in Africa for Malaria, yes, but really also for
As an academic interested in "modernity" I'd say that development is
exactly normal.
TT
On Thursday, 26 March 2020 00:24:41 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> In Denmark we are paying high taxes and have universal healthcare.
> Our system changed a lot since around 2004. Before we had large hospitals
TT,
I know. About 50 years ago it was used for Malaria.
Now for a few other diagnoses.
Widely used in Africa for Malaria, yes, but really also for a lot of other
things. Kind of we are taking a pill for headache.
Many countries did not have restrictions on the medical profession to use
it -
>
> My hardware tool supply sent a message like that, reassuring me that
> they're taking extra measures to clean their location. I guess they're
> keeping their doors open. Are they essential? Why not, considering even the
> marijuana dispensaries have been deemed "essential".
Beer
Birthe C wrote:
>
>
> By the way USA bought all the Chloroquine on the market.
>
They did not. Its a generic that had been around for decades. It was found
in 1934.
TT
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In Denmark we are paying high taxes and have universal healthcare.
Our system changed a lot since around 2004. Before we had large hospitals
in Copenhagen, Aarhus and Odense. The three largest cities and connected to
the universities. A lot of smaller hospitals all over the country. Everyone
It is Southern Texas. Vidor. It is a small city with a bad reputation.
The rest of your post doesn't really say anything much.
IS there universal healthcare? Or not?
TT
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:58:35 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>
> TT
>
> The two quotes from Texas ...
>>
>
> South Texas?
A Gloom,
Exactly, capacity is not enough, that is why I kept asking. If in doubt
look at some of the stuff on this site
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/supply-chain/better-than-a-bandana-or-scarf-expired-face-masks-from-stockpile-ok-cdc-says.html
Searching for everything from all over
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 3:52:23 PM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> Hopefully if you paid $736 a month you'd be okay?
>
>
>
If they don't have ventilators, or beds, then it doesn't matter what you
pay.
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The two quotes from Texas ...
>
South Texas? Much of that is rural and rural areas historically have been
neglected not just public assistance-- most social programs are based in
cities-- but health care in general. Appalachia and the First Nations
reservations have much worst because
Texas is one of the states that is actively fighting ACA (Obamacare) in the
courts.
Texas is a "red" state, which means that a lot of those people living check
to check effectively voted against universal health coverage. This goes
back to marketing and "death panels" -- the concept that
TT
I understood that the public information said "*not to call emergency
before hardly breathing and lips turning blue* ?" it is that I call stupid,
and I stand by it for the same reason you ask "HOW would you know what
critical means". I believe we are in furious agreement.
People need
Mark S. wrote:
>
>
> TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>>
>
> No. JIT (Just In Time) inventory systems have been a staple of all
> industries, including the medical/industrial complex for a long time.
>
Hopefully if you paid $736 a
My hardware tool supply sent a message like that, reassuring me that
they're taking extra measures to clean their location. I guess they're
keeping their doors open. Are they essential? Why not, considering even the
marijuana dispensaries have been deemed "essential".
On Wednesday, March 25,
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:11:51 AM UTC-7, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>
>
>
No. JIT (Just In Time) inventory systems have been a staple of all
industries, including the medical/industrial complex for a long time.
There's
Gloom,
The two quotes from Texas ...
*"people round here live from paycheck to paycheck"*
*"Most people I know won't get tested because they can't afford treatment."*
Seems likely.
Since USA has NO universal healthcare commitment.
A person ill would have NO idea of Liberals wishes you
So reply to a few.
TT
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:11:40 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
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> @TT
>
> I notice you ignored my comments.
>
> Which? There's so many! : P
>
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A Gloom wrote:
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> @TT
>
> Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>>
>
> Just like Italy, America-- nor any other country I believe (I'm interested
> to see if Germany's bed capafcity is enough)
>
German intensive care provision is better than Italy.
> Despite
@TT
I notice you ignored my comments.
Which? There's so many! : P
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Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
>
Just like Italy, America-- nor any other country I believe (I'm interested
to see if Germany's bed capafcity is enough) is prepared for massive
casualities (in this case sick), Been known since the Cold War (& civil
A Gloom wrote:
>
> Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?
>
>
> Brilliant idea.
>
I can't sing decently. The idea of LOCAL solidarity is good though. What
other ways do you suggest?
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TonyM wrote:
>
> In Tracking mobile phones; If you are Quarantined with the virus and a
> temporary law says you must be quarantined and you are wandering around the
> streets putting others at risk it would make sense to detect your
> activities. But of course the problem is the misuse of the
I notice you ignored my comments.
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 21:42:15 UTC+1, A Gloom wrote:
>
> Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?
>
>
> Brilliant idea. But it would get the cops called on me >< Don't know if
> they don't appreciate my singing voice or me singing Viking metal songs
>
> Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?
Brilliant idea. But it would get the cops called on me >< Don't know if
they don't appreciate my singing voice or me singing Viking metal songs of
battle and glory-- probably both : D
Americans have their noses glued to their mobilte device
TonyM wrote:
>
>
> Birthe,
>
> In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call
>> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people
>> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>>
>
> Is this really happening *not to call emergency
All,
Interesting conversation.
Birthe,
In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call
> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people
> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>
Is this really happening *not to call
TT,
Go for it, in the right direction, that would tell them!
onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 19.07.35 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
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> Getting messages from corporations telling me how much they care makes me
> want to vomit.
>
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Capacity in USA to treat people who paid for it is likely matched.
I am more interested in everyone else who didn't.
TT
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:51:04 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> I am not really worrying about how much money the health care businesses
> in the USA have or have
TT,
I am not really worrying about how much money the health care businesses in
the USA have or have not.
Do they have enough Intensive care beds ready to take care of people.
Surely part of the population has good insurance and would expect to be
treated.
In my country a lot of the
In terms of money the health care businesses in the USA should do fine.
It everything OUTSIDE their policies that is the issue.
TT
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:28:00 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> The worker in US who is on temporary contract have no heath rights at all
> usually.
>
> There
One assumption you make there is that the employer determines healthcare.
That is often not the case.
It is so complicated I would not know where to start explain it.
TT
Birthe C wrote:
>
> Do they have the capacity in healthcare for people with insurance?
> Rather important for people
The worker in US who is on temporary contract have no heath rights at all
usually.
There is NO such thing as *simple *insurance in USA. There is NO universal
bottom line. Each contract has different benefits.
TT
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:27:55 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> Do they
TT,
Do they have the capacity in healthcare for people with insurance?
Rather important for people wanting business as usual to know, I would
think.
Birthe
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A follow on Southern Texas message ...
*"Most people I know won't get tested because they can't afford treatment."*
Background is that testing is free Federally. Treatment is vague & left to
States.
TT
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 14:48:32 UTC+1, TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I got a great simple
I got a great simple message from Southern Texas ...
*"people round here live from paycheck to paycheck"*
I have grudging understanding on Trump wanting US to get back to work if
possible.
Given USA healthcare is so crap on anyone with limited income or none.
USA is very interesting to
Birthe C wrote:
>
> Exactly. But people who die at home will not be tested. They do not get
> registered as Corona death, so much for statistics.
>
>
Unless coroners are instructed to test the dead we won't know.
For instance a coroner focuses usually on immediate cause of death like
"heart
TT,
Exactly. But people who die at home will not be tested. They do not get
registered as Corona death, so much for statistics.
Birthe
onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 13.07.26 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
>
>
> Self-isolation is in danger of becoming "uninformed death".
>
> Instructions I seen
Birthe C wrote:
>
> In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call
> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people
> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>
I'm sure some people will die that way. HOW would you know its
Birthe C wrote:
>
>
> In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call
> emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people
> ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
>
Decide on a code to hang outside your window indicating you are
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>>
>> Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together
>> socially not physically
>>
>
*Actually that IS physical AND social.*
But, maybe you could organise a "sing-a-long" online:-)
Best wishes
TT
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TonyM wrote:
>
> I think the thing is social distancing is what separation causes and
> physical distancing is what is needed.
>
> Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together
> socially not physically as is a phone or Skype call.
>
Balcony singing, sure. Anything else?
TonyM wrote:
>
> I think the thing is social distancing is what separation causes and
> physical distancing is what is needed.
>
> Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together
> socially not physically as is a phone or Skype call. It is these social
> closeness
Tony,
Balcony singing is also taken up in Denmark?
It does seem nice. I just wonder?
In one of the apartments could be a very sick person, told not to call
emergency before hardly breathing and lips turning blue (The message people
ARE getting) . How hard would it be to phone for help?
eek! apologies to both of you.
On Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:42:44 UTC+1, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT,
>
> I could have written that, but I didn't.
>
> Birthe
>
> onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 10.57.35 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>>
>> Birthe wrote in reply to Gloom:
>>
>> I believe people are
Birthe C wrote:
>
> Yesterday we were told that we should really be tracked via mobile data.
>
>
> That thought are not well received in the population.
>
Right. It is an excellent example of tension between "collective right to
know about you" and "individual right to control you own life".
I think the thing is social distancing is what separation causes and physical
distancing is what is needed.
Italians and French people singing from balconies is coming together socially
not physically as is a phone or Skype call. It is these social closeness
activities that will help us deal
TT,
I could have written that, but I didn't.
Birthe
onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 10.57.35 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Birthe wrote in reply to Gloom:
>
> I believe people are thinking medicine/healthcare system will "fix" them
>> if they get it-- I may be wrong but all they can do for you
TonyM wrote:
>
> Interesting argument that the term should be physical distancing,
>
> Not social distancing. Detailed in attached PDF
>
Interesting short article that is likely wrong.
*Social distancing is mediated through physical distancing. *Its not a
concept, it is a reality.
Sure, there
Birthe wrote in reply to Gloom:
I believe people are thinking medicine/healthcare system will "fix" them if
> they get it-- I may be wrong but all they can do for you is supportive
> care-- there's no "fix" for Covid19 yet?
>
There are considerable variations by country caused by the
Birthe & all,
Birthe C wrote:
>
> TT.
>
>> - can we look after the ill AND not have lockdown for the whole society?
>>
>>
> Sure. Right now when the system gets overwhelmed we deselect the old and
> sick. With less and less health workers surviving, you would of course
> have to deselect
Birthe
Thank you for the kind words, it's obvious I'm not taking my
disability/retirement well...
but as someone more eloquent said it better than i could
Because it gives some sense of power and passion
In helpless innocence to try to fashion
Our woe in living words howe'er uncouth.
A. Gloom
First and most important. *We* need you - if I could, I would in fact clone
you!
You are right about the younger ones. A lot of them need intensive care to
survive.
Everywhere some people are living in denial, but really we are able to find
estimates for each country. (Not testing
Birthe
A sure way of spreading the virus faster.
(The following is sarcasm). Just raise the price for intensive care and
there will be beds and staff enough.
They seem to forgot some of the first to die were people in their 50's not
70's as they think will be the ones dying
I'm sure everyone
A Gloom,
A sure way of spreading the virus faster.
(The following is sarcasm). Just raise the price for intensive care and
there will be beds and staff enough.
onsdag den 25. marts 2020 kl. 07.31.38 UTC+1 skrev A Gloom:
>
> I knew it but no one would believe the doomsayer-- the American economy
I knew it but no one would believe the doomsayer-- the American economy and
its freedoms runs off of human secrifice...
don't do a Google search for covid seniors sacrificed
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Interesting argument that the term should be physical distancing,
Not social distancing. Detailed in attached PDF
Tony
On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 6:12:47 AM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
> This thread continues the discussion of Tiddlywiki and Coronavirus:
>
Folks,
I am a modern sceptic and this demands I be sceptical or all claims until I
have evidence. Many of you raise serious concerns about Government or
Business responses in the current situation. I also refuse to claim a
specific left/right conservative/progressive ideology, because neither
Birthe
I have had many encounters with Insurance companies throughout my life;
none of them pleasant or profitable.
The most irritating was being declined because I took a test that proved I
did not have a "prior" condition. Turned out that taking the test was
deemed to an "abnormal" act.
Insurance would also like to know, where you shopped, when and what you
shopped.
You smoked at some point in life. You have shopped some wine or alcohol no
matter how often and how much. You are not eating the healthiest menu.
Conclusion you illness is your own fault, we can not cover you.
For
I don't like to be cynical, but...
re: listed as a criminal for not owning a mobile
Abnormal behaviour does indeed have risks. And as a result of 911, the
"presumption of innocence" is no longer thee norm. Now everyone must
submit to bureaucratic procedures in order to show they are not
Birthe,
> I wonder will I be listed as a criminal for not owning a mobile?
>
You can join my outlaw organizatin of one currently-- I has not smartphone
you mention something I was trying to spook associates with elsewhere--
someone showed a national map of counts from Internet connected
Yesterday we were told that we should really be tracked via mobile data.
That thought are not well received in the population.
The comments are harsh or even worse, very sarcastic and black humoured.
They will certainly know where people are at any time. The homeworkers can
make nice
Birthe
>From year 20 it goes downward faster and faster the older we get. If you
> live to get old you are called weak, just because you did not die young?
>
The sad reality of humans is their ignorance they disguise through fooling
theirselves-- the young help perpetuate attitudes that will
Birthe,
> Do you really think so. Maybe in Australia? Look at who are getting the
> support and more importantly who are not.
>
> I am not sure which part of what I said this was a response to.
> Then think some years back to the last economic crisis. Who got the help
> and who were left
A Gloom,
No it does not get any easier.
Old people are just young people living long enough to get old.
I do not understand, why we call old people weak. They were strong enough
to survive long enough to get old.
They often have more illnesses, but it also takes years for many illnesses
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