Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Judy versus the Bible:       Really?  This is "another gospel" entirely - to claim that God just loves old nasty fallen and mean humanity so much that He can't do without each and every one in the same heaven he cast the devil they are in cahoots with out of?     For God so loved the WORLD He di

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
  "And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." 1John 4.3 When John wrote this,  was Jesus Christ God or not?   Only the fool would say "no

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Dave Hansen
I took him to be asking if I think I will ever be divine; i.e., a God myself DAVEH:  No..That's not quite what I was asking, Bill.  I realize you don't feel a divine kinship to God, but I assume you believe you are a son of God.  I'm trying to find out what that means to you.  (As you kno

Re: [TruthTalk] Cutting off and new life

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Oh yea!  I fregot about dat.    -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or if an administrator says so?   On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:23:21 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How does that go? " It is only ad hom if it is not true."    ||

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of "God" -- nonsense

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
I will repeat what you have spoken,  Judy Taylor. jd   -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>     On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:21:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dean, don't get too excited , here.   Judy does not use the word "human" as the rest of us

Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Dave Hansen
Jesus and the Father are of the same substance DAVEH:  What do you mean by substance, DavidM? David Miller wrote: There is only one person who is the Father.  Clearly, Jesus is describing likeness.  Whether you are Trinitarian or Oneness in doctrine concerning the Godhead, the vie

Re: [TruthTalk] Rats !!! about the bats

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
:-) How is it that I understand you?  Its kind of scary.   Look for the silent declaration of a debt paid as one flies with the eagles and comes to rest near an Ash tree close to home.    j The Mays d   -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] patience is preac

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Probably the most important of all posts concerning this thread.    Amen.   jd   -- Original message -- From: "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Anti

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
"And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world." 1John 4.3 - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.inn

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
What person among us indwelt with the Holy Spirit could deny that Jesus Christ was born with David's blood running through his veins? - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [TruthT

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." -- Rev 22.16 - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:5

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Judy, you are not the Holy Spirit.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man What do yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
What do you think the Holy Spirit is Bill?  You don't understand Him do you?   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:39:06 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It was his divine nature that was great, Dean, and in that he was unlike us, as we do not have a divine nature,   Anyone who has be

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Are you saying, Judy, that Mary is not of David's lineage? You had better think this through, as Jesus absolutely must be of the Seed of Abraham, which passes through David on its way to the fulfillment of the promise in Christ. "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does no

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
It was his divine nature that was great, Dean, and in that he was unlike us, as we do not have a divine nature,   Anyone who has been born of the Spirit is well on the road to becoming a partaker of the divine nature Bill see 2 Pet 1:14, 2 Cor 3:18, Heb 12:10.   Judy, we are humans beings

Re: [TruthTalk] Cutting off and new life

2006-01-16 Thread ttxpress
or if an administrator says so?   On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:23:21 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How does that go? " It is only ad hom if it is not true."    ||

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of "God" -- nonsense

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:21:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dean, don't get too excited , here.   Judy does not use the word "human" as the rest of use that word.   Nor does she believe that Christ was God in the flesh    I would ask you once more to control yourself JD a

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Judy, you make a good point.   But the fact remains that Peter did say this.  And an audience of thousands heard these very words.   They (the audience) has no other opinion on the subject than what they hear Peter say  --  how could they not understand that Christ is born of the David's loin and

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:51:05 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you know that he was ever sick or infirm because of generational curses?  Oppressed by demons. Depressed?   Well, of course He got sick.  He was like us in every respect.     **I said "do you KNOW" which mea

Re: [TruthTalk] Rats !!! about the bats

2006-01-16 Thread ttxpress
patience is preaching in due time the word of our blessings (now or not yet) will come forth   On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:25:11 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes !!  If you have not yet received the blessing of that endeavor  -- I will send out another tomorrow and canel the first..

Re: [TruthTalk] Rats !!! about the bats

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Yes !!  If you have not yet received the blessing of that endeavor  -- I will send out another tomorrow and canel the first.     jd   -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yo Bishop--didst thee send ferth de batman's cheque?   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006

Re: [TruthTalk] Cutting off and new life

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
How does that go? " It is only ad hom if it is not true."    But you are right, of course.    jd   -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ad hominem   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:20 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..DM believes this makes him an administrator of

Re: [TruthTalk] The rationality of "God" -- nonsense

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Dean, don't get too excited , here.   Judy does not use the word "human" as the rest of use that word.   Nor does she believe that Christ was God in the flesh  unless you ,too, believe that could be God while being something less than God at the same time.     If Christ is God in the flesh,

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
My first post  "disappeared."    Maybe my computer sent the dern thing.  I will try it again.    Was He sick?  Certainly.  He was human in every respect as we.  Generational curses  -  do not apply to anyone you know in the sense that they speck of original sin.  "Oppressed by demons"   

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: glory

2006-01-16 Thread ttxpress
yo Bishop--didst thee send ferth de batman's cheque?   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:19:52 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As you look first here and , then, there for Me, you look in vain.  You will cry out for My Presense,  and [be assured} I will answer !!  You will put your search in word

Re: [TruthTalk] Cutting off and new life

2006-01-16 Thread ttxpress
ad hominem   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:02:20 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..DM believes this makes him an administrator of the will of God in the lives of others,  I see no such thing. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Do you know that he was ever sick or infirm because of generational curses?  Oppressed by demons. Depressed?   Well, of course He got sick.  He was like us in every respect.   No one I know is demon oppressed as you count demons.   Depressed?  He cried over Jerusalem.  Angry?  You the scene at th

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Huh ?? and Huh?? again

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:38:08 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See, The Prophet thinks you are giving me your understanding of my theology  --  only repeating back to me what you think I have said.  Nonsense.  And here is a perfect example.   "What is unassumed is unsaved"  has abs

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Taylor Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30):   Not exactly Bill "David being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he

Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
  Excellent points Dean And you are not trying to cut Him up into different exclusive pieces - Hallelujah to King Jesus!!   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:11:54 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: cd: Can that likeness to human flesh also be a reflection of Christ's mental capacity

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:46:10 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as common man?   It's Bill, but I would say that Christ's human nature was the same as common man -- or statements like "he learned obedience from the things he

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as common man?   It's Bill, but I would say that Christ's human nature was the same as common man -- or statements like "he learned obedience from the things he suffered" would be meaningless, or at least irrelevant to us in our state. It was his div

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/16/2006 7:34:30 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30): hence he was not some kind of new humanity, freshly b

Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
      In other words, in the same way that we speak of the likeness of Christ to Father God, so also we should speak of his likeness to humanity and human flesh.   David Miller.   cd: Can that likeness to human flesh also be a reflection of Christ's mental capacity?Did that capacity have the li

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
> [Original Message] > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 1/16/2006 3:58:26 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > Dean, I have never been a supporter of Benny Hinn. I have never been to any > meeting of his or met him. I did not even remember

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/16/2006 3:48:39 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE What is a good point, Dean? She made several points, none of which were representative of my beliefs,

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of David's genitals (Act 2.30): hence he was not some kind of new humanity, freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to fallen humankind; No, he is human like David was human, born on our side of the fall.   And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Be

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Huh ?? and Huh?? again

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
See, The Prophet thinks you are giving me your understanding of my theology  --  only repeating back to me what you think I have said.  Nonsense.  And here is a perfect example.   "What is unassumed is unsaved"  has absolutely no heritage in my writings.   I don't even know what that means.   Just

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Like v like in every respect

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
When I tell my employee,  "Make 20 doors like this one, in every respect"  He knows exactly what I mean.   I don't want the doors made out of another type of wood,  with another type of edge detail, with the hinge holes in a diffeent location ,  with the finish less or more glossy.     We use the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Huh ??

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
JD Neither you or Bill are making any points that matter. You are so obsessed with doctrine that can not be validated by God's Word. If I remember correctly your thing is "what is unassumed is unsaved" so every vile thing had to be assumed Actually - it was "at Calvary" ... But it was not i

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Huh ??

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Judy asks:    Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way?  Why couldn't he have been like the first Adam before the fall, ...   Bill responds the first Adam before the fall did not need to be saved Judy. We do.   Bill   And judy , well, does what? The first Adam after the fall did ind

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither God nor Man

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Exactly !!!   As an on looker (you can thank me later) ,  it is obvious that  Judy neither thinks Christ to be God (incarnate) nor fully human (incarnate).  No wonder she objects to the word INCARNATE.   Under no circumstance, is Jesus incarnate.    The fact that John 1:14 has no meaning to Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:21:07 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Which part of the Jesus I believe in is not according to scripture Bill?       All of him.   Well the above is a detailed and coherent response - is this the best you can do?   What makes Him impo

Re: [TruthTalk] Kiss off illumination

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Judy /  DM  -   are you two just having a simple discussion about matters that are not really that important? Is  that why you can disagree so thoroughly with each other  --  neither of you are speaking from a position of illumination?   And how can us common folk tell the difference?    Go ahead

Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Which part of the Jesus I believe in is not according to scripture Bill?       All of him.   What makes Him impotent in your opinion?      He is neither God nor man, but something less than the former* and greater than the latter**; hence he is unrelated to both and therefore irrelevant, ju

[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
Which part of the Jesus I believe in is not according to scripture Bill? What makes Him impotent in your opinion?   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:36:13 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David,   I am not saying that the Jesus I believe in -- that is, the Jesus of Scripture -- cannot

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
David,   I am not saying that the Jesus I believe in -- that is, the Jesus of Scripture -- cannot save her, or that she is not saved by that same Jesus. I am saying that the Jesus she describes cannot save her, as he is impotent to save her or anyone else, and if it were true what she says a

[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
  All of the scriptures below say "LIKENESS" David.  I don't have any problem with that. What I have a problem with is going on to make "likeness equal to same as"  Jesus could not have been exactly the same as us because we are all born into an Eph 2 reality and He was not.  John the Baptist

[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
  Thanks David, Just a few notations... From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy, Jesus did not come ONLY to redeem us spiritually, but physically as well.  Jesus redeemed the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.  The body is the last thing to experience that redemption, which will be reali

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: >> I don't see anything earthy about him. >> Temptation or no temptation. Bill wrote: > ... then you are still in your sins and you > do not have a Savior. I would have to disagree with you here, Bill. Such would make salvation dependent upon her intellectual understanding. It seem

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Nobody is denying tht Jesus is the second Adam from heaven. Saying that he became flesh and was made in the likeness of men does not deny his divine origin. Judy wrote: > Your gospel is inverted ... > It is not Jesus who takes on > our likeness Your statement here contradicts Scripture. Hebr

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
Oh yes, I have one but apparently He is not the same one that you have Bill Mine is the Lord, a son of man who descended from heaven to inhabit a body prepared for him.   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:41:39 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I don't see anything earthy about him.  Tempt

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
I don't see anything earthy about him.  Temptation or no temptation.   Well, Judy, then you are still in your sins and you do not have a Savior.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sen

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
The first Adam after the fall did indeed need saving from the wrath of God Bill and so do we.  Our "humanity" is under a curse along with the rest of creation Bill Which is spelled out in scripture.  Jesus went to the cross in order to institute a "New Creation" and this is why he is called t

Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Judy, Jesus did not come ONLY to redeem us spiritually, but physically as well. Jesus redeemed the whole man, spirit, soul, and body. The body is the last thing to experience that redemption, which will be realized in the resurrection. The idea that what happened to Christ will happen to us i

[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:40:28 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy, you are completely misunderstanding Bill.  When he speaks of the resurrection, he means bodies which are transformed.  You are reading right past him and seeing something that is not there, much l

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Dean, I have never been a supporter of Benny Hinn. I have never been to any meeting of his or met him. I did not even remember until you just now posted this, but my mother did once sing in his choir when he held a healing crusade near her town. As far as I know, this was a one time thing. I

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
What is a good point, Dean? She made several points, none of which were representative of my beliefs, either that or were not antithetical to my beliefs and as such were not adequate rebuttals. Please be more specific.   Bill - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: Tr

Re: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
There is only one person who is the Father.  Clearly, Jesus is describing likeness.  Whether you are Trinitarian or Oneness in doctrine concerning the Godhead, the view is that Jesus and the Father are of the same substance.  If memory serves me correctly, the Greek word is actually the same

[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy wrote:> Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way?  Why couldn't he have been> like the first Adam before the fall, the one who was created?   If Jesus were only like the first Adam and not like the rest of us, then he could only redee

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Judy, you are completely misunderstanding Bill.  When he speaks of the resurrection, he means bodies which are transformed.  You are reading right past him and seeing something that is not there, much like John does to nearly all my posts.    The mystery of Godliness, God manifest in the fl

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Good point Judy.     - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/16/2006 2:54:20 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE     On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:35:51 -0700 "Taylo

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Good point Bill.     - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/16/2006 2:15:05 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way?  Why couldn't he have bee

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
cd: David I understood you to support B.Hinn-Is your Mother still part of His choir? > [Original Message] > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 1/16/2006 2:28:52 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" > > Dean wrote: > > Should have left B. Hinn out of

[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Likeness might mean like but not exactly like, but it also might mean so much like it as to be indistinguishable.  When we say that Jesus is the image of Father, or that he is like the Father, so much so that when you have seen Jesus you have seen the

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US > in every way? Why couldn't he have been > like the first Adam before the fall, the one > who was created? If Jesus were only like the first Adam and not like the rest of us, then he could only redeem those born of his own loins. In order

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/16/2006 10:40:20 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now CD wrote  > I hold that the law is our school master to bring us to Christ. It teaches us we have done wrong but also defines wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Cutting off and new life

2006-01-16 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/16/2006 11:02:21 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Cutting off and new life Hi Dean.   Where DM believes this makes him an administrator of the will of God in the lives of others,  I see

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Judy, there is no communicating with you, as you don't even realize that we are in agreement on much of what you present for rebuttals. Please just stay where you are.   I'll leave,   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: T

[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:22:24 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I understand.  It is mixture; joining the holy with the profane which is something God hates.   No, it is not a mixture, Judy; it is a union.   Hate to have to break it to you like this Bill but ther

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Likeness might mean like but not exactly like, but it also might mean so much like it as to be indistinguishable. When we say that Jesus is the image of Father, or that he is like the Father, so much so that when you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, it might be inappropriate to say th

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:35:51 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It is humanity which Christ came to save, Judy. He did that by assuming human likeness.   What scripture do you base the above on Bill? The same one from Hebrews?   He was raised as well a human, Judy, a

Re: [TruthTalk] Cutting off and new life

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
John, my question to you was: "Was Paul wrong to instruct the Corinthian church to become the administrator of a loss of fellowship for someone in their midst who continued in fornication?" Notice that I pointed to the CHURCH as being the administrator of the loss of fellowship. Now you have t

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Dean wrote: > Should have left B. Hinn out of It. Did you notice how he called him another inspired teacher/evangelist? I would never describe him that way, and I don't personally know anyone who would. David Miller. - Original Message - From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Se

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Tell me why he (Jesus) HAD to be like US in every way?  Why couldn't he have been like the first Adam before the fall, ...   Because the first Adam before the fall did not need to be saved Judy. We do.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.in

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
I understand.  It is mixture; joining the holy with the profane which is something God hates.   No, it is not a mixture, Judy; it is a union. There is no confusion. And that is your problem: you have a Jesus that is partly this and partly that, but can't be what he came to save. Yours is a mi

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:29:01 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.    Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).    Yes they did created the first Adam in their nat

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
It is humanity which Christ came to save, Judy. He did that by assuming human likeness. He was raised as well a human, Judy, and sits at his Father's side: a human being. We will be resurrected human, as well -- no longer with flesh and blood tainted body's but with resurrected bodies; bodie

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.    Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).    Yes they did created the first Adam in their nature and character spiritually - which "likeness" Adam forfeited when he chose to go with Eve i

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:04:41 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Also "Flesh and blood DO NOT inherit God's Kingdom" Bill so what would be the purpose??   "What would be the purpose" of what, Judy; I don't understand the question.   Oh, weren't we discussing your

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
Where was he when you wrote about my response that confused Dean with Lance:   Perhaps that is why it was so civil.   and when I wrote that your comment was "nasty and uncalled for" you replied:   Yeah, but is it true?       On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:52:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:57:12 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.    Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).    Yes they did created the first Adam in their nature

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread Lance Muir
Where IS that interim moderator now? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 16, 2006 11:33 Subject: Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"   Possibly "your

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Also "Flesh and blood DO NOT inherit God's Kingdom" Bill so what would be the purpose??     "What would be the purpose" of what, Judy; I don't understand the question. My hunch however is that it will be because God so loved the world ...   - Original Message - From: Taylor

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill.    Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26).  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Mon

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
  Possibly "your truth" Bill which is totally alien to what I would call it - makes me wonder what kind of christianity you adhere to.   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:30:38 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yeah, but is it true? From: Judy Taylor   This is a nasty comment a

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:29:22 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: OK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and what schism?   Oh, I thought you were married. The bible says that you and your husband (if you had one) were to become "one" flesh, in other words the two of you in

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Well then you answer him, Miller :>) I took him to be asking if I think I will ever be divine; i.e., a God myself. I do not. If you think otherwise, then enlighten me too. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:03 AM Subject:

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
OK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and what schism?   Oh, I thought you were married. The bible says that you and your husband (if you had one) were to become "one" flesh, in other words the two of you in coming together would be united -- and not just physically, I might add; it is the ma

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
  Yeah, but is it true? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language" This is a nasty com

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
Only a similitude or likeness even "in every way" is not the exact same thing JD.   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:12:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human mind, or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human mind, or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to disagree; for then he would not have been like us in every way (cf. Heb 2.17).   Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does not mean exactly the "same as"  Every h

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
This is a nasty comment and totally uncalled for Bill   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:01:06 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:   No Dean, Benny learned this from the Dakes Bible.  Finis Dake wrote that the three members of the trinity all have a body a soul and a spirit causing B

Re: [TruthTalk] Cutting off and new life

2006-01-16 Thread knpraise
Hi Dean.   Where DM believes this makes him an administrator of the will of God in the lives of others,  I see no such thing.   The removal of this brother was for a season.  Paul advises his return to the Church in the second letter.   And the action is not the function of an indivual (i.e. a SP

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Judy Taylor
Then apparently you never have gotten the issue resolved in your own mind and heart   On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:05:12 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Been there, done that, Judy. I'm not interested in doing it again.   Bill - Original Message - From: J

Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
Been there, done that, Judy. I'm not interested in doing it again.   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and

Re: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Lance and "biblical language"

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
  No Dean, Benny learned this from the Dakes Bible.  Finis Dake wrote that the three members of the trinity all have a body a soul and a spirit causing Benny Hinn to write in one of his books (I think it was Good Morning Holy Spirit) that there are nine persons in the trinity.  A theologian

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: OK, done working for now

2006-01-16 Thread Taylor
CD wrote  > I hold that the law is our school master to bring us to Christ. It teaches us we have done wrong but also defines what is right ...       "School master" is a very poor translation of the Greek word paidagogos (pedagogue). In the Greek world a pedagogue was a slave that protected

Re: [TruthTalk] Why more theology than science?

2006-01-16 Thread David Miller
Indeed, science is a subset of the theological, but theologians seem to have abandoned serious scientific research. Hundreds of years ago, the scientists were clergy men well trained in theology. Charles Darwin himself was an ordained minister. It was actually a part of qualifying to be a sc

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