Miscellaneous suggestions that can be taken one at a time or combined:
- Have the mail sent to some non-filtered e-mail server like hotmail and
then have people poll that server from their normal e-mail client or a
different one.
- Get the digest version, zip it, then manually distribute to
Ref:
http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp?ArticleID=50230
If IBM really wants to target Microsoft, why don't they start telling the
world about all of the existing U2 applications that run on Linux with
features and stability that rival that of competitors like Great Plains,
Whenever I propose that people take their existing apps, do some marketing,
and make a go of it in the mainstream world, the conversation often turns
toward but we need more tools. People want the magic silver bullet that
will make their procedural code into event-driven, their green screens into
Colin Alfke wrote:
We did (somewhat) investigate the pdp.net route but cost
considerations precluded it for us.
Hi Colin - I initially thought that the cost for PDP.NET was prohibitive as
well but then I started asking questions and I was amazed that the cost is
MUCH less than what people
Will Johnson wrote:
Ok let's hear some real numbers.
Can a Pick database (on Windows) talk to the Web for
say... under 5 grand?
Yes
If so How ?
Write your own interface on time that has not been allocated to paying
customers.
Seriously, I have written many such interfaces using
While I am no longer offering NebulAnalysis at the moment, you can see from
our web page that I have considerable experience with controlling Excel
directly from MV. In lieu of product, we can offer consultation and
development services for tight Excel integration, using NebulAnalysis as the
tool
USA Memorial Day today.
Is there a current problem with the email lists?
Nothing of any consequence for the past 2 or 3 days Only
a very small
smattering of subscribes and U2 FMT mails.
Regards,
Bruce Nichol
Talon Computer Services
ALBURYNSW 2640
Australia
Personally I'd recommend that you reconsider the architecture that you're
trying to build, rather than reconsidering the specific devices that you're
trying to fit into that architecture. I'm reading square pegs and round
holes here.
Dumb terminals were designed when we didn't have anything
Anthony Dzikiewicz wrote:
Much has been considered. These are retail cashiering station that we
are
talking about. One central printer would be my next choice. The only
thing
that can go wrong is that the printer hangs and the whole front counter is
dead.
And you could go multi-printer
[I'll preface this that my gloating looks like an AD to me, so ... AD ]
Sounds like you just need a trigger which invokes CallHTTP or something
external like cURL.
Our new NebulaHTIO (HyperText Input/Output) is a MV BASIC wrapper around
cURL, for people who want to do HTTP/HTTPS from MV BASIC
D3 questions are best addressed at http://forums.rainingdata.com but we can
take a quick shot here.
D3 is shutting down on it's own? I've never heard of this and now both of
you see it - weird.
When you say shutting down, do you mean a clean shutdown or a crash, as in
the VME service just stops
I do a fair amount of work with the guts of HTTP clients and servers, and
with other RFC-standard protocols, as well as custom protocols over TCP. At
first thought I don't see the value in a specialized type like this. The
few client/server processors that would use it would need to implement
Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote:
Cache' blankets the Java market with ads as well...
I have no clue whether their marketing strategy is working to
grow them significantly beyond their initial MUMPs
base, but I'm definitely curious.
Dawn, I've had loose discussions with MV VARs about Cache' for quite
Mel Soriano of ERIS has an article in every issue of Spectrum Magazine. Web
Wizard has been around for a long time and has apparently had a compelling
amount of success. I've never used it so I can't comment.
I mention Web Wizard as one development option in my series of articles on
Web
I think most sites that provide downloadable distros will have ISO's
somewhere, if not at a home site then at some mirror site.
I've successfully loaded WhiteBox Linux over MS Virtual PC 2004 and then
installed and activated D3. WBL is a fork from RHEL (ES/AS/WS) and seems to
be a good platform,
A Wiki doesn't require a hack, anyone who sees the page can change it.
That's the nature of a Wiki. If the medium doesn't suit the needs then a
new medium is required.
Tony
Not sure who's doing the pickwiki page at www.pickwiki,com.
I think Wendy knows. Apparently the page has been
Welcome to Tony's Education Corner. :)
Most of the responses so far say connect, do your stuff, then disconnect.
That's all good advice - here is why people are saying this.
This is the concept of Persistence. If you hold a connection between user
inquiries, you have a Persistent connection.
SAP people tend to come in with the replace everything attitude. The
CFO's and CTO's who bring them in are making political decisions, not
technical. If your business has apps that function perfectly for your
vertical market or for your unique way of doing business, then you have
assets that
Wendy Smoak wrote:
Nick Cipollina wrote:
Is anyone aware of any limitations to the length of parameter_value
in the addRequestParameter(request_handle,parameter_name,parameter_va
lue,conten t_handling) function.
CRITICAL ERROR! Notify the system administrator.
Abnormal termination of
, but it will
probably cost about $500 to start - there Are, however, a lot of people
there in Irvine who worked for many years with AP/Pro, so your answers Are
probably there.
Good Luck.
Tony Gravagno, Nebula RD
Former positions at Pick Systems/Raining Data:
QA Manager
Corporate Technical Account Manager
DBMS
ago.
Remember, I've had some experience with this software, there is no
consumable. ( Gonna feel real stupid if this one comes back to bite me, but
I've been there before. :) )
Tony Gravagno, Nebula RD
Former positions at Pick Systems/Raining Data:
QA Manager
Corporate Technical Account
Nick Cipollina wrote:
I recently had to call a web service, and it was actually easier for
me to write my own call to the web service using the socket
interface. The callHTTP functionality was too limited for what I
needed to do.
Rather than writing your own low-level socket interface, take
From the text on the website and the conference info below I don't see how
UO.NET is similar or different compared to UO except that it's re-written to
be managed code. Does it support the full UO API? Does it support ADO.NET?
Connection pooling is interesting. XML/DataSet support? I hope that
Gordon Glorfield wrote:
BTW My apologies to our non-USA list members as this is only
pertinent to US operations. Sometimes I forget we are not all in the
USA.
Actually Gordon, while the legal responsibilities of compliance with USA
regulations only apply to USA companies, I can easily see
intended
3) Those sponsoring laws have a clue what they're doing.
When it comes to Congress, the less they do the better. :-)
Tony Gravagno wrote nothing of the sort:
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Bill H. wrote:
The management, who are putting their necks on the line, so to speak,
should be able to do what they think is necessary. The real
difficulty is management are being hired who don't know how to judge
the quality their business operations and activities. This is a
primary cause
Note from prior discussions here that you can use cURL as easily as
CallHttp, and in my opinion it's a lot better and easier. You can also
invoke remote Web Services by calling to Perl and Java tools that will
eliminate your need to mess with SOAP-specific XML.
It sounds like you need a Web
Brian, I think you're missing one of the main features of ADO.NET, which is
to make the source of your data independent of how your application works
with it. I don't necessarily want to access my MV environment via SQL, but
I do want to be able to pull the data into a dataset so that it's
So many responses, I'll put them all in this one note:
Alfke, Colin wrote:
First: login to the session that you are running !NEWVERSION from as
ADMINISTRATOR (a user in the administrators group won't do it).
The doc does indicate that the user must be Administrator, I noted that it
did not say
Sean W Ferguson wrote:
Interesting product. How does it compare to Visage? From a quick
glance at the DesignBais website they look very similar in concept and
design.
http://www.staminasoftware.com/Products/Visage/Products_Visage.htm
I have no experience with Visage yet, outside of
This is precisely the reason why I don't want to get into a shooting match.
People spend more time focusing on product comparisons, competitive
positioning, and posturing metaphors like tricycles than they do on just
appreciating products for their own merits. This is an election year in the
USA,
Again, I'm not getting into a mud slinging match. For whatever reason,
people are excited about DesignBais without the mud. I'm learning as I go
why they're getting excited and I'm just trying to share some info. Once
people have the info they can do their own feature comparisons and make
their
Use a combination of rules. I have 3 for this and they seem to work OK,
though not perfectly:
1) Use the rule for a message which is an out of office message.
2) Another rule with:
auto reply or d'absence du bureau in the subject
3) Another rule with:
out of office or out of the
Oops, I posted how to avoid the messages, not how to send them. Sorry
Chuck.
T
Stevenson, Charles wrote:
(Yes, I could unsubscribe temporarily, but I prefer a more
complicated solution.)
Could some kind soul please post the MS Outlook (v. 2003) procedure
for preventing the standard I
djordan wrote:
If Uniobjects .Net is a .Net assembley, then it should run anywhere
that the .Net frame work runs as well as probably on the Linux
version as well.
We've had some discussions in comp.databases.pick about .NET-enabled MV
tools running over Mono. I believe (though someone with
When you say has used, OK, I fit that category. I had one client about 12
years ago that was running Results on a Microdata. I worked with them for
about 4 years, so I knew their customized app well at the time. Good
software, though some parts of it I wouldn't touch with a long pole. When
I'm glad you liked the material Dave.
For those who were unable to make it, as seen in another thread here I'll be
on the panel with the U2UG this Sunday. I'll have some DesignBais
presentation CD's available after the session.
For clarification of licensing costs and other details, please
Actually Dave wrote:
http://designbais.com/ a step in the right direction to get a
browser based screen interface to U2. Skipping the layers to get it
to happen. And it's priced at $1000.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this imply from an external user? Or are you just saying a web
browser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tony which of the below are freeware?
I'm surprised you asked, but the only freeware editor below is from
mvtools.net. I hope I didn't imply otherwise.
[Moderator-friendly snippage]
wED from AccuTerm: http://www.asent.com
mvToolbox http://mvtoolbox.com/
RED, CRED,
Allen E. Elwood (CA) wrote:
Does anybody know in a Raining data mvBase system, *is* there a file
for the spooled jobs, and if so, what the name might be? I really
truly hate SP-EDIT and have a spooler that I wrote for Unidata that I
would like to port over.
Seeing this thread growing I'll
gerry wrote:
imo - the solution to this problem is simple - the posters email
address should not be included in the distributed postings.
i know the list address , the list address knows my address and
nobody else knows anything.
From: Glen B
Something else to consider, is the presence
With the discussion of editors coming up again and again I thought I'd post
another note about this mvToolbox software. I am not selling the software,
nor do I get commission, etc.. I just think it's important for U2
developers to be aware that something this feature-rich is actually
available.
You can use appropriate host OS functions to copy/move the file to a more
friendly name, then use UV to Read the new filename. You can use an OS
function like exists to see if the file exists before doing the copy or
read.
Oh yes, and please post the name of whoever it was that architected the
Starting to go OT here. David, please forgive, as I shifted your first
quote around to maintain context.
I think it was AT T who architected unix. Obviously you have
never tried to read a hidden unix file? Quite a number of resource
files are named as hidden files and if you wish to read
people actually do hang out. Now that I think about it, I think I
_did_ post a thread about exactly this situation in the RD forum.
HTH,
Tony Gravagno (former mvBASE Product Manager, but it wasn't my fault!)
Nebula RD
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of my clients has MVbase running
/mainstream connectivity to your MV back-end - but the time
and hassle that you save comes at a price which is paid to RD. As always,
the question comes down to whether you have more time or more money.
HTH.
Tony Gravagno, Nebula RD
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Mono allows you to run the same C#/.NET code over Win32 and *nix.
http://www.mono-project.com/about/index.html
As an example, you can use Mono to serve ASP.NET pages from your Linux box
with no Windows involved. Connectivity can be established with your U2
environment, just not via UO.NET, which
BobJ bob-at-rjoslyn.com |U2UG| wrote:
Mono is one of the better tricks of our time. But for
practical purposes it IS Windows so MS wins again. They
just don't get any profit when you use Mono. At least no
direct profit.
Hey Bob, I'll give you grief here but I look forward to seeing you at
That D in DOM is a general term and doesn't necessarily refer only to
legible Documents. I think DOM and API can be used interchangably when
referring to class libraries that define complex data structures along with
related method/property/event structures. The MS Office libraries are a
good
Full agreement with Brian, Will, and David on separating rules from the UI,
which is a concept that many MV developers tend to acknowledge but not
apply.
Will, I'll see your bet and raise you a few :
The concept of compiling rules down to Java is only half of it, the other
half is executing them.
I tend to put basic syntactical validation in the client and
application-specific data integrity type validation in the back-end. Sure
that creates more client-specific code, but with standard routines it's not
such a bother.
The reason I do this is that I'm concerned about traffic.
Hey Mike - what's with the BlueFinity label, why not just send them here?:
http://www.jbase.com/products/mvnet.html
Now I'm confused about mv.NET. The diagrams and details make it look like
a class library but the text in the bluefinity website makes it look like a
RAD environment nested within
David really hit it on the head here. Because this is really a big FAQ, a
couple months ago I took a lot of time to research Windows and Linux
solutions for creating PDFs, particularly from MV. I was very surprised
and disappointed to find a triangle of mutually exclusive usage factors:
Ease of
I don't see the original post that this is a REply for - was there one?
If you want to use mono over Windows, then check out SharpDevelop.
http://www.sharpdevelop.com/
I'm doing QA of some new documentation for installing MonoDevelop. With
all of the dependencies and default pathing that
Mark Johnson wrote:
I may use the purge method to scrub the data and assign
some consistency. That's fine as a manual job for me, but
on-going I think it's going to get out of hand as time
goes on. Plus their user base is from another land so
that enters in some mis-spellings.
Kevin King
,
leaving you to focus on your business application rather than on a
multitude of tools and protocols - This is the basic model behind all
Nebula RD offerings.
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Thanks for your time.
Tony Gravagno, Nebula RD
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I'm guessing Mike's note is in response to Marilyn, not Meeta.
Marilyn wrote:
The previous company I worked at uses what I believe is
now a Microsoft product called SourceSafe.
MR MICHAEL.HENDERSON wrote:
Meeta,
Microsoft Visual Source Safe [VSS] is a comprehensive
source-code
Check with Drew Conboy at Drexel Management. He has software that is
targeted at take-out food businesses.
Dconboy at REMOVETHISdrexelmgt dotster com
Tony
TG at removethistooNebula-RnD dot com
Bob Gerrish bobg-at-connectexpress.com |U2UG| wrote:
Anyone out there know of any reasonably
Mark, there was a long thread about this as recently as last week in
comp.databases.pick. The topic comes up every couple of weeks or months.
There's lots of passion about various solutions, then the topic dies down
again ... until someone brings it up again as though the question has never
been
Bruce Nichol wrote:
AccuTerm has another.
This is the WED (Windows Editor) which is built into AcciuTerm. I use it
_extensively_ and highly recommend it.
A project has been announced on the new MV Developer Central site which
seems to match Malcolm's request. The developer speaks Russian
Wendy Smoak Wendy.Smoak-at-asu.edu |U2UG| wrote:
My point was that for free often isn't. If you can buy
a packaged solution for a few thousand dollars, and not
have to maintain and support it, [as long as it does what
you need it to,] it's probably a better deal.
I like working with Java
Glen B webmaster-at-all-spec.com wrote:
http://mvdevcentral.com
If you find this site down from time to time lately it's because
construction is being done in the area around the server and it's made
phone/network connectivity erratic. Please try again later. Glen is
generously providing MV
FFT2001-at-aol.com |U2UG| wrote:
But I was just reading that Apache DOES have support for
.asp ... since V2.0 ... Haven't tried it yet though.
Will
And ASP.NET with Mono - One code set for all platforms...
Tony
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My name is on this so I'll respond here. I've said a few times before,
this is not an mvBASE forum and I don't believe questions should be posted
here about other platforms and issues not even remotely related to U2 or
this special interest group. Please post your inquiry in the mvBASE
section
Please see my four articles on Web Services and .NET, originally printed in
Spectrum Magazine from 2003-2004. Magazines are here:
http://www.intl-spectrum.com/SPECTRUMMAG.HTML
HTML versions here:
http://../articles/
I also have an article there called SOAP for people who don't do
Might be good to post SRS4UV to mvdevcentral.com as an offical open source
project for discussion, bug/feature tracking, and of course community
download and maintenance. You can select from many open source licenses
that reflects your intent and the rights/obligations of those who use the
code.
Until I saw Dean's posting I was also going to just let it go. The trigger
for me was the equating of multi-user license usage to running multiple
copies of software on different systems. Copying software allows more than
one person to execute different functions at exactly the same time. All
Make an inquiry into Dynamix from 253 Technologies in South Africa.
http://www.253tech.co.za/
I'm not sure if it will do what you need but from memory I think there
might be a fit with the way you describe your requirements. Please let
me/us know if it does match your needs.
Tony
Nebula RD
Mark
Here's a link to similar discussion in CDP a number of years ago. There
you'll find a couple programs and what may be a one-liner *nix solution.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.databases.pick/browse_frm/thread/c
c9509f274c79134/c40d80cdc7e46bad
(may need to be sewn together if your mail
I did a little googling on the topic and found the typical assortment of
PDF tools in the market. They range in cost from free to about $1500, with
very little relation between cost and quality - a perfect example of how
the mystery of the medium allows some people to command whatever the market
will be
even more so than PDP (supporting all four data methods described above,
etc).
HTH
Tony Gravagno
TG@ removethisNebula-RnD
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- Owner, Nebula RD providing MV, web, and .NET development services
- Technical Editor for C#Builder KickStart from SAMs Publishing
- Technical Editor for many C# articles
and mvBASE questions to this U2 forum?! I know, I know - probably more AP
users here than in the RD forums... :)Try comp.databases.pick too...
Good luck
Tony Gravagno, Nebula Research and Development
Former QA Manager for AP/D3, Former Product Manager for D3
TG@ removethisNebula-RnD
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Manu
available? Can anyone
recommend a more direct connectivity method that a user of Domino Designer
can use without involving .NET or third party tools?
Any other suggestions and offers for services welcome.
Thanks.
Tony Gravagno, Nebula Research and Development
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David Jordan wrote:
Visual Studio .Net and Uniobjects .Net allows you to set
up very easy web services. For B2B that could be a good
way to go.
If you are looking at ASP .Net and want security, then I
would recommend Win2003 and IIS 6 that comes with it.
This is highly secured compared
David Jordan wrote:
UniVerse has a websphere api, although consider the
performance requirements as IBM mentioned it is not a
good alternative for pooling processes.
I'll keep that in mind - this is the sort of insight I'm looking for.
Is the Domino Server, a Lotus Notes Domino Server or
. Nebula RD will soon offer sales and development services
for both PDP.NET _and_ mv.NET.
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Tell him I sent ya. :)
Good luck.
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Tom Dodds wrote:
Does anyone have access to or knowledge of a routine for
calculating sales tax within the 48 states and the
Provincial Sales / GST tax for Canada?
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that some/most of the connectivity products in our market don't have any
point to point encryption and pass all data in plain text - including user
ID's and passwords.
Tony Gravagno
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Martin Phillips MartinPhillips-at-ladybridge.com |U2UG
level, the database model itself isn't very secure
either. Ask the MV DBMS vendors whether their product is SOX compliant and
see what kind of response you get.
Have a nice insecure day. ;)
Tony Gravagno
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U2 VARs should take note and maybe contact your IBM rep to see if this good
news applies to you:
http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=16370
1126
Tony Gravagno
Author: Web Services and .NET series of articles, Spectrum Magazine.
To read the articles:
http
their value-add and then decide what
tools you want, where you want to buy them, and how much you want to pay
for them.
If you google for \ asp.net reporting \ you'll see a lot of other tools
for generating reports for browsers and devices. That's just a start...
HTH
Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research
. Inquiries welcome.
Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research and Development
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Ken Wallis ken_wallis-at-internode.on.net |U2UG| wrote:
Guys and Gals,
Lately I have noticed that there have been a number of
threads started which have very long subject lines. It
may just be me
is not an option, the site switched to OleDB after
experiencing even worse issues with ODBC. Barring any OleDB-related
solution we may migrate the data access code to mv.NET with support for
ADO.NET, starting in just a few days.
Forum or direct response welcome.
Thanks,
Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research
the
Conversations to thread properly.
HTH,
Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research and Development
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Stuart.Boydell wrote:
People have already mentioned how useful it would be to
have internal subroutine indirection, eg.
mySub = 'blah'
gosub @mySub
I missed the thread that showed this but I'd do it like this:
--
G.Keys = blah bling blang
convert to @am in G.Keys
...
mySub
Processes operating as socket servers can only serve one process at a time,
regardless of which OS or DBMS platform creates the socket. SO$REUSEADDR
is intended to eliminate the TIME_WAIT state if the process running the
listener happens to die. If there is no step in U2 between init and accept
was just put on the back burner pending other
priorities but if there are enough sites requesting the
package we can have a v1.0 by the end of the year.
Tony Gravagno
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Habeebulla Suhail responded to Simon:
Thank you I will have a look
trips on this - the product vendor(s) may be
interested as well.
HTH,
Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research and Development
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Brian Leach brian-at-brianleach.co.uk |U2UG| wrote:
Bjorn,
A quick look with Dependency Walker shows it is exporting
a set of functions for SSL, RSA
D3 works just like UV in this regard, only one process can listen on a
socket port at any given time, processes can't be forked or otherwise
handed off, etc. As I said though, after the code has exhausted all of
your inbound connections via Accept, it needs to go back to a Listen which,
depending
,
Blackberry, etc.
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Here is an audio/video presentation showing it in action.
http://nebula-rndREMOOVE.com/demos/nebulanalysis/
Again, I'm not selling this code anymore but it shows what's possible
outside of AccuTerm and CSV...
HTH
Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research and Development
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I'm not sure about your architecture, but just to open some
possibilities... I used CF years ago connect into a back end application
using CFHTTP queries rather than ODBC. If you're already exposing U2
business rules as a Web Service then using CF to generate the UI becomes a
no brainer. If not,
Mark Johnson wrote:
Here's a doozy.
Mark, the fundamental problem is that the original code wasn't designed for
the application that it's being asked to do now. That construct that you
describe EQU INVNO.TABLE TO CUST(40) is something that experienced
developers simply don't use anymore because
. Our user base is growing all the time as
the company grows and our apps just keep on working.
Les.
-Original Message-
From: Tony Gravagno
That construct that you
describe EQU INVNO.TABLE TO CUST(40) is something that
experienced developers simply don't use anymore
Peter Gonzalez wrote:
Tony,
Thank you for clearing up the issue of using EQUATES. I
was ready to pile on you along with Les Hewkin. We use
EQUATES and live by what they describe. I have learned
never to trust DICTS.
Wiping my forehead from the sweat. This medium easily allows for such
This is a touchy subject. I know where to get a UV decompiler but many
VARs ensure the security of their applications by providing object-only.
Publishing links to decompilers could tick off a lot of people.
I'll send a link to Mike but I don't think it's a good idea to publish this
info. Then
Will wrote:
Does someone have a code example where they are sending
an XML request using Accuterm scripting ?
Thanks
An XML request for what? Can you give us an example of how you would use
that? XML is just a blob of text so it's no different than any other text.
AccuTerm is a good raw
Glen hit it all on the head.
Will, when you say you want AccuTerm to do something, in this case AccuTerm
is doing nothing but passing the message along to some other process that
will actually do the function. The only need to ever include AccuTerm or
wIntegrate in a complex function is when you
of
these as equally valuable offerings in this market where many people need
as much information as they need assistance with development using modern
technologies.
Tony Gravagno
Nebula Research and Development
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I'll echo the concept of using named common to cache file handles to avoid
re-opening. I use this as a key technique in web applications. Funny
enough, right before I got to this thread I wrote a paper to explain to one
of my clients how it works.
The key thing is to use Named common, not
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