Re: COMMON Variable.
George Gallen wrote: You don't seem to be able to put any values on the phantom line (and if you do, they seem to be ignored). I never tried Commons for this. Another method I use is I create a VOC entry based on UserNO and something static like: (ex. 101phantom) 1PA 2RUN LIB PROGRAMNAME PASSVAR1 PASSVAR2 PASSVAR3 PASSVA4 Then EXECUTE PHANTOM 101phantom Inside PROGRAMNAME: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try @COMMAND instead. PASSVAR1=FIELD(CMDLINE, ,4) PASSVAR2=FIELD(CMDLINE, ,5) ETC... Include the VOC ID as one of the PASSVAR, and have the program DELETE the VOC ENTRY. George -- mats -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Wendy, All that subscribing to a forum will do for you is that you'll get an email telling you that someone has replied to something on the forum. The email will NOT contain the posting, nor any reference short of the subject line to the previous post. In short, all communication from the U2UG site will be encouraging you to return to the web site to view each individual thread. If, like me, you have no access to the net at work, then, like me, you are stuffed! The forum is of absolutely no use to me. The only way I can partake of anything is if it works the way Clif's list works: I have to receive all information by email I have to be able to interact by email That's it. No other way. Incidently, I actually learn a lot from posts made to other groups, eg UniData (I'm on UniVerse), SB+ (I'm on original SB)... Having to subscribe to individual forums and hop from one to the other is a tad time-consuming. Basically, without the list I'm left high and dry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wendy Smoak Sent: 29 March 2004 06:23 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The lists are closing Lee Leitner wrote: The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's) would remain for now at http://www.indexinfocus.com. Is there a general opinion that the email lists should continue? How can we avoid then having two separate, disconnected places for information -- the list and the U2UG forums? For me it has to be email or newsgroup. I will not be as active in a forum that requires using a web browser as I will in an email list or newgroup. However, it looks like you can subscribe to the forums on u2ug.org, which I hope means that forum postings will arrive via email. If that's true, then if you have only email access at work, you should still be able to participate once you join and subscribe. Thanks, Clif, for hosting these lists. Without them, I never would have gotten all of my UniObjects for Java stuff working, nor been able to help so many other people get started. -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't live in the land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic, we have employment contracts that forbid us from internet access during the day, yet we still need access to U2 info. What do _you_ suggest we do? I've subscribed to your glorious forum, I get wee posties saying there are people talking about juicy thangs, but I cannot get to see these. What do _you_ suggest I do? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 March 2004 09:03 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing 1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus. 2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug 3) We DONT want the lists to continue Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click on SUBSCRIBE this will make all responses come to your email box just as they do now. You can register, but if you dont SUBSCRIBE you wont be seeing nothing Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
What do we do? It looks like the answer may well be wait and your prayers will be answered :-) I'm getting vibes (so no promises here!) that there may well soon be a forum to email gateway. How usable it will be I don't know, but other people have the same problem on other sites, and it sounds like something is being done ... Just a pain the lists are set to disappear well before this thing is likely to become reality :-( Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett Sent: 30 March 2004 11:19 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: The lists are closing Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't live in the land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic, we have employment contracts that forbid us from internet access during the day, yet we still need access to U2 info. What do _you_ suggest we do? I've subscribed to your glorious forum, I get wee posties saying there are people talking about juicy thangs, but I cannot get to see these. What do _you_ suggest I do? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 March 2004 09:03 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing 1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus. 2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug 3) We DONT want the lists to continue Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click on SUBSCRIBE this will make all responses come to your email box just as they do now. You can register, but if you dont SUBSCRIBE you wont be seeing nothing Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Is it just me that thinks a yahoo group would be good.. or am I missing something, it seems to provide what everyone is asking for ? doesn't it? Kevin King moderates the sbsolutions group.. see his comments below... snip While Yahoo groups hasn't been the best or most consistent host in the world, there is no plan at the time to move our sbsolutions folks over to u2ug. Not to be a stick in the mud, but things are working really well over there and there's no compelling reason to move at this point in time. Besides, the moderation is simple, every user can elect either a web or email experience, and it's just easy. And the ads haven't gotten too heinous (yet). --Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com /snip -Original Message- From: Anthony Youngman To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 30/03/04 05:19 Subject: RE: The lists are closing What do we do? It looks like the answer may well be wait and your prayers will be answered :-) -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re Text File to PDF
Trevor, We did that (and more - like 'printing' to email) with txt2pdf from SANFACE (www.sanface.com) Cheers. Schalk -Original Message- From: Trevor Ockenden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March 2004 05:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Text file to PDF And now for something completely different! Any help or suggestions regarding converting out text reports in the HOLD file to PDF files for subsequent e-mailing. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals M: +61 414 731 634 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 24/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users www.sanface.com - GWK BEPERK/LIMITED (REG: 1997/022252/06) POSBUS 47 PO BOX 8730 DOUGLAS Direkteure/Directors: NB Jacobs, FJ Lawrence, J v/d S Botes, JH Coetzee, JGD Smit, JF Jacobs, AO Müller, JW Smit, JP Snyman, JG Stander, JH van Dyk(MD/BD), JG Jacobs, A Müller, Sekr/Secr: E van Niekerk. Hierdie e-pos is onderworpe aan 'n vrywaring beskikbaar by: http://www.gwk.co.za/DisclaimerVrywaring.asp This e-mail is subjected to the disclaimer that can be viewed at: http://www.gwk.co.za/DisclaimerVrywaring.asp -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Yep I can delete and drop too. Don Kibbey Financial Systems Manager Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett Dunner LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/04 09:19PM Dude... Why don't u find somewhere to TALK Rubbish! IF you don't like the EMAILS... DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO DELETE...? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Kibbey Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:13 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Dude, your like the dog that just won't stop humping the guests leg. Get over it already. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Eugene Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:31 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing David, All I ask is to keep an open mind as PICK plays an important role in some areas of technology that cannot be replaced I am very open minded to all Technologies and I think every software professional will benefit from being open to technologies. I have been unable to convince myself that an UV Brings any kind of value for the below in an OLTP Environment. 1. Advanced Level Software Development. 2. Performance 3. Scalability etc Nested tables (Big Feature for UV) is not something new, most relational databases accommodate this feature at a much higher level. IF BIG THREE Databases (DB2/ORACLE/MSSQL) was poor on ROI... Why would 75% of the worlds Corporations depend on such databases? Can you Name One BIG Fortune 100 that totally relies on UV? I have heard stories where several corporations migrated to RDBMS, Never heard any LARGE Corp(Hershey, GE, BOfA etc) switch to UV/MVDBMS. Never seen any Enterprise Software (SAP, PeopleSoft etc) mention UV on their Web Sites Never seen a book on UV OR PICK at Barnes Nobles. Perhaps you can explain where UV plays an Important Role. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of djordan Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:43 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Hi Joe I have worked with variety of databases and I think using one performance statistic to evaluate the capabilities of one database against another is meaningless. As a professional I consider all databases for any business requirement and select on their merits. To discount MV products from that list would be unproffesional and negligent. There are numerous cases where Universe has clobbered RDBMS in the real world and a cost per transaction it is very strong. If you take an Oracle style application and run it on Universe, Oracle will probaly run better. If you take a typical Universe Application and run it on another RDBMS, Universe will most likely run better. The style of application can impact on speed, different databases are built for different styles of applications and a number of applications built in the PICK world do not transfer to RDBMS to the surprise of many a sacked CEO. I have used Universe to integrate with a significant number of other databases and applications and have generated award winning software. The most critical requirement for any is bussiness is to have a solution that is reliable, creates an ROI and is on schedule in development which is the norm in the Universe world. All I ask is to keep an open mind as PICK plays an important role in some areas of technology that cannot be replaced. Regards David Jordan -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
As stated earlier, kindly leave the guests alone. They are tired of your flaming. If your not interested in learning some legacy techniques then kindly just go away and code up some wonderful stuff in vb against a nice fat Oracle data store. Bye!!! Don Kibbey Financial Systems Manager Finnegan, Henderson, Farabow, Garrett Dunner LLP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/29/04 09:25PM What is your DEAL... Am Not Interested in Learning PICK/BASIC Or spending my valuable hours on some legacy technique. You can call it WHATEVER you want... Does it really Matter? You seem to be VERY Interested in Trivial things and stupid comments! Joe http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
On learning to swim (u2-users U2UG)
To the u2-users community -- I have been on the road and have not read all of the e-mail related to u2-users going away but did have an exchange with Clif after reading his message. Just so it is perfectly clear -- the U2UG did not in any way suggest or encourage u2-users ending -- quite the opposite. Clif had to move the list to another server a few months ago and he asked if there was a chance that the U2UG could take it on at that time and we all voted him in for life, or as long as he was willing and able to continue in his efforts with the list. I suspect that Clif thought he might just lighten his load if he taught us to swim by pushing us into the waters, even if we had no prior intent to learn to swim. In any case, Clif is on the U2UG Board for the emerging U2UG and we have a conference call scheduled for tomorrow (Wednesday) at which we will discuss options. Given that we are all grateful for the work that Clif has done, we don't want to hurt him while we twist his arm, but we definitely do not want to lose the u2-users community. So, we will take the input from the list (so feel free to keep writing on the subject and give us any advice you can) and put our heads together tomorrow and let you know shortly thereafter how we think we can address the requirement from Clif that he be able to end his much appreciated run as the moderator and host for the list. I'll plan to be back in my office towards the end of this week and Clif has indicated that he will not just pull the plug if we don't have a smooth transition to whatever-comes-next for the u2 community by April 1. Apologies for not having any transition plan, but that is the nature of the throw them in the water so they will learn to swim approach that Clif adopted (which, quite frankly, is the ONLY way anyone was going to let him out of his work with the u2-users list, so I can understand the strategy, but YIKES -- we will do what we can not to drown!) Cheers. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Chair of the so-far-still-self-appointed emerging U2UG Board -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: On learning to swim (u2-users U2UG)
Dawn - It seems that there is only one piece of the puzzle that is missing; the ability to not only receive e-mail from the various forums but also to reply to that e-mail by way of e-mail (as opposed to writing the reply from within a browser). If that one feature were implemented I believe quite a lot of the reluctance that has appeared in the past day or so would be obviated. While I imagine there are a number of others that would also like to have some form of digest feature (and I'm one of them), the deal killer for a lot of folks seems to be the requirement to reply to a message by way of the web. Regards, Dave Graham Storis Management Systems, Inc. (954) 725-3655 Ext. 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: On learning to swim (u2-users U2UG) To the u2-users community -- I have been on the road and have not read all of the e-mail related to u2-users going away but did have an exchange with Clif after reading his message. Just so it is perfectly clear -- the U2UG did not in any way suggest or encourage u2-users ending -- quite the opposite. Clif had to move the list to another server a few months ago and he asked if there was a chance that the U2UG could take it on at that time and we all voted him in for life, or as long as he was willing and able to continue in his efforts with the list. I suspect that Clif thought he might just lighten his load if he taught us to swim by pushing us into the waters, even if we had no prior intent to learn to swim. In any case, Clif is on the U2UG Board for the emerging U2UG and we have a conference call scheduled for tomorrow (Wednesday) at which we will discuss options. Given that we are all grateful for the work that Clif has done, we don't want to hurt him while we twist his arm, but we definitely do not want to lose the u2-users community. So, we will take the input from the list (so feel free to keep writing on the subject and give us any advice you can) and put our heads together tomorrow and let you know shortly thereafter how we think we can address the requirement from Clif that he be able to end his much appreciated run as the moderator and host for the list. I'll plan to be back in my office towards the end of this week and Clif has indicated that he will not just pull the plug if we don't have a smooth transition to whatever-comes-next for the u2 community by April 1. Apologies for not having any transition plan, but that is the nature of the throw them in the water so they will learn to swim approach that Clif adopted (which, quite frankly, is the ONLY way anyone was going to let him out of his work with the u2-users list, so I can understand the strategy, but YIKES -- we will do what we can not to drown!) Cheers. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Chair of the so-far-still-self-appointed emerging U2UG Board -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Interesting... Have just come back from holiday and have not had the time to read all these messages but have been drawn to this one! We have a HP superdome, running Uv 9.6 to our 700 branches and offices from our central head office. All development is carried out in house. All of the company business systems are written in databasic and all 8000 online users seem to be getting their work done! Not sure what you mean by corporate? Keith -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March 2004 03:30 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Our UV Developers here have over 25 years of Experience doing the stuff the do... I personally am not interested in learning the details of UV since nobody really uses this kinda stuff at Corporate Level. I am simply surprised why UV is still used by a few Loyal Folk... when people with 25 years of experience simply cannot make it perform well. Joe This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you scan this e-mail and any attachments. Part of Travis Perkins plc. Registered Office: Lodge Way House, Lodge Way, Harlestone Road, Northampton, NN5 7UG. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing
Perhaps if IBM or whomever is sponsoring the U2UG.org site is listening to the feedback of the current members of this list that they will respond in a 'customer-oriented' kinda way. That's why it's called SOFTware. It can change to meet the needs of its customers. I agree with the reduction of efficiency that the new method will cause. Hopefully IBM can cause a change to accomodate the high level of service the oliver list provided. my 1 cent. - Original Message - From: Dennis Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:18 AM Subject: RE: The lists are closing Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't live in the land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic, we have employment contracts that forbid us from internet access during the day, yet we still need access to U2 info. What do _you_ suggest we do? I've subscribed to your glorious forum, I get wee posties saying there are people talking about juicy thangs, but I cannot get to see these. What do _you_ suggest I do? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 March 2004 09:03 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing 1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus. 2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug 3) We DONT want the lists to continue Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click on SUBSCRIBE this will make all responses come to your email box just as they do now. You can register, but if you dont SUBSCRIBE you wont be seeing nothing Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Except that IBM has precious little to do with U2UG. Okay, they want to help us, but there's that little matter of being beholden to your sponsor, which we are not and we most definitely do not want to become. U2UG is OF the users, BY the users, and FOR the users. It has nothing to do with IBM apart from the fact that we see it as our mutual self-interest to work together. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: 30 March 2004 14:06 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing Perhaps if IBM or whomever is sponsoring the U2UG.org site is listening to the feedback of the current members of this list that they will respond in a 'customer-oriented' kinda way. That's why it's called SOFTware. It can change to meet the needs of its customers. I agree with the reduction of efficiency that the new method will cause. Hopefully IBM can cause a change to accomodate the high level of service the oliver list provided. my 1 cent. *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Text file to PDF
Trevor, We have used a utility called 'txt2pdf' since 1999 and it has worked and performed very well. It integrates well and is quite reasonably priced. Look for it at www.sanface.com (By the way, we receive no gratuities/royalties for this suggestion.) Lee J Messenger Sr VP Operations [EMAIL PROTECTED] DLT Transportation Services, Inc. Phone :(816) 242-4505 Fax :(816) 483-7222 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trevor Ockenden Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Text file to PDF And now for something completely different! Any help or suggestions regarding converting out text reports in the HOLD file to PDF files for subsequent e-mailing. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals M: +61 414 731 634 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 24/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Text file to PDF
Trevor, We have many reports that are converted to .pdf and emailed daily without any intervention. We user Pcl2pdf software from Visual Software. Te product is very inexpensive. All you need to remember is the -lt:2 option on the command line. John. -Original Message- From: Trevor Ockenden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Text file to PDF And now for something completely different! Any help or suggestions regarding converting out text reports in the HOLD file to PDF files for subsequent e-mailing. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals M: +61 414 731 634 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 24/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users *** THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL, AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, forwarding, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, and delete the original message immediately. For more information, please visit http://www.bakerlaw.com. Thank you. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Text file to PDF
We just downloaded a shareware product from www.pstill.com and it works well with our uv created reports. -Original Message- From: Trevor Ockenden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Text file to PDF And now for something completely different! Any help or suggestions regarding converting out text reports in the HOLD file to PDF files for subsequent e-mailing. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals M: +61 414 731 634 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 24/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Question for Donald Kibbey
Ha! Will pernickty Johnson is at it again. Integrate as a verb I think applies to mathematics. But if I say My software integrates well I think most people would think A) you have math software ? or B) Your English is bad? Damn! Sir, can't you also get a life? Ain't this a technical group? Can't we assume enough intelligence for you to get the drift? Dennis bugged by your attitude bartlett -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Lists are closing
Well, I'm sorry the lists are closing, but I can sympathize with Clif. I'm not a happy camper, since that means now I have one more thing to put on my to-do list every day (go check the forums), but so it goes. Clif, thanx for the effort you've put in over the years. Dave Liesse -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Lists are closing
Ditto. I signed up for both the DataStage and U2UG forums, but I don't have time to keep web hopping around. If I check once or twice a week I would consider that good!! Here's hoping for a new listserver arrangement. At 09:29 AM 03/30/2004, you wrote: Well, I'm sorry the lists are closing, but I can sympathize with Clif. I'm not a happy camper, since that means now I have one more thing to put on my to-do list every day (go check the forums), but so it goes. Clif, thanx for the effort you've put in over the years. Dave Liesse -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Lists are closing
Forgive me if I sound like a broken record here but it is most assuredly NOT necessary to (as the OP puts it) go check the forums. You need only subscribe to the forum and can then receive e-mail each time something is posted. That e-mail contains the entire content of the posting. The only time it is necessary to go to the forums is in that case where you wish to reply to a posting or create a new posting of your own. Any one would hope that the folks on the board would see that as an area that could be changed. Dave Graham -Original Message- From: Liesse, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lists are closing Well, I'm sorry the lists are closing, but I can sympathize with Clif. I'm not a happy camper, since that means now I have one more thing to put on my to-do list every day (go check the forums), but so it goes. Clif, thanx for the effort you've put in over the years. Dave Liesse -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing
UGH. For the last ()%#*#(^ time IBM is not sponsoring U2UG.org it is an *independent* non-profit user group. So IBM will not be causing a change to accomodate anything. u2ug.org doesn't have *customers*, it has *members*. Go to the site, read, and then comment. So if *you* want to influence change, become a *member* and change it. Donald Verhagen 1690 S Congress Avenue, Suite 210 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delray Beach, FL 33445 USA Tandem Staffing Solutions, Inc. Voice Phone: 561.454.3592 Senior Programmer Fax Phone: 561.454.3640 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8:06:11 AM 03/30/2004 Perhaps if IBM or whomever is sponsoring the U2UG.org site is listening to the feedback of the current members of this list that they will respond in a 'customer-oriented' kinda way. That's why it's called SOFTware. It can change to meet the needs of its customers. I agree with the reduction of efficiency that the new method will cause. Hopefully IBM can cause a change to accomodate the high level of service the oliver list provided. my 1 cent. - Original Message - From: Dennis Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:18 AM Subject: RE: The lists are closing Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't live in the land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic, we have employment contracts that forbid us from internet access during the day, yet we still need access to U2 info. What do _you_ suggest we do? I've subscribed to your glorious forum, I get wee posties saying there are people talking about juicy thangs, but I cannot get to see these. What do _you_ suggest I do? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 March 2004 09:03 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing 1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus. 2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug 3) We DONT want the lists to continue Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click on SUBSCRIBE this will make all responses come to your email box just as they do now. You can register, but if you dont SUBSCRIBE you wont be seeing nothing Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing
- Original Message - From: Anthony Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] U2UG is OF the users, BY the users, and FOR the users. [snip] Cheers, Wol If this statement is true it sounds like someone wasn't listening or asking the users if they were even interested in this forum idea. It seems to have been done without the input of the very people it is supposed to serve. For the record, I have unlimited internet access both at work and at home but I think the forum idea sucks. I want my list info via email so I can filter it and read it offline at a time that is convenient for me and my employer. I have subscribed to U2UG but I don't expect to spend much time there. Ron White --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
I think the fora were meant to be in addition to the lists. A lot of people apparently DO want the fora. The problem is that a *different* lot of people seem also to want the mailing list. And bear in mind that the lists are actually run by an organisation that is a commercial concern, and neither IBM nor u2ug. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron White Sent: 30 March 2004 16:14 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing - Original Message - From: Anthony Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] U2UG is OF the users, BY the users, and FOR the users. [snip] Cheers, Wol If this statement is true it sounds like someone wasn't listening or asking the users if they were even interested in this forum idea. It seems to have been done without the input of the very people it is supposed to serve. For the record, I have unlimited internet access both at work and at home but I think the forum idea sucks. I want my list info via email so I can filter it and read it offline at a time that is convenient for me and my employer. I have subscribed to U2UG but I don't expect to spend much time there. Ron White --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Damn it... Don't you anything something better to do! Moderator Stopped this Thread! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:45 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Joe, GET A LIFE. We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, so long as we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, if required. I guarantee I could write a proggie to do just about anything, interface with anything, natively bond with any database... With Pick-style products. Yes, Oracle can do things fast - only it takes yonks to develop, has to live within limitations, costs a bomb, requires big process power. Hell, even AS400 can do things, that's why they were built. It's just that mine can do ANY thing, no limitations, very little processing power (R83 on a single 286), costs? What costs? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Eugene Sent: 29 March 2004 06:27 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing We have UV doing everything on the BackEnd, we also have MSSQL Server to Support Data Warehousing... Why 2 Databases Systems? Cause UV Cant support Data Warehousing? Doesn't this eventually introduce Disparate Systems? U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they either have or are working on Web Services support Its funny you say the above, UV/PICK Guys in our Team didn't even understand the basics of XML.. leave alone XPath, XQuery etc. These Technologies are NATIVELY Supported in ORACLE/DB2 Etc. e.g. We pull XML Reports from our Vendors Real Time. I have to parse through the XML and give UV/PICK Guys a FLAT TEXT File... cause either UV Cannot handle the storage and Retrival of XML Data Using XPath/XQuery Techniques. Yes, we use DataStage to pull data out of UV Into MSSQL SERVER... For what? Why cant UV handle of the DB Job? As for Performance...UV Does NOT Perform Well in a OLTP Environment, SIMPLE: IF UV did Perform Well...Today's Fortune 500 would depend on UV and UV/PICK would have been in the TOP 3 OF DataBases. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:37 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so. U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they either have or are working on Web Services support (I know, for example, that the DSEngine in DataStage has support for Web Services). One could argue the need or purpose of supporting certain technologies, and the level of support currently within the products, but to say that there is little/no support is a bit uninformed. The U2 products ARE supported in certain Integration software. I wouldn't typically consider SAP/PeopleSoft integration software. They are Enterprise Software Suites, but not geared particularly at 'integration'. However, given that SAP and PeopleSoft OEM the DataStage product sets for both of their integration products (SAP's BW, PeopleSoft's EPM, JDEdwards stuff as well), and given DataStage works very well with both U2 products, this point is actually wrong. People who have SAP or PeopleSoft solutions CAN, very easily, integrate their U2 data to/from those environments. As to 'efficiency', one can measure that in a variety of different dimensions. From a memory/disk space/footprint/administrative overhead dimensions, the U2 database products are VERY efficient. Finally, as to being slow, again this depends on the measurement criteria being used. From the perspective of concurrent user access and the performance of application style DB usage (largely input/output, multiple concurrent users, etc..), the U2 products stand up very well to the mainstream guys. For support of VLDB, highly transactional query-based usage models, and the like, it does not. Trying to make the U2 products into what they are not is wrong. They are not the panacea for every database requirement. However, for certain problems, especially those for which it was designed (embedded database for application development), it is very efficient. Dave At 10:24 PM 3/28/2004 -0500, you wrote: PICK is LEGACY Technology and does NOT Support alot of advanced level computing we have today. I belive PICK is Similiar to Legacy DB2 that used ISAM type of DataBases Access. Even IBM has moved DB2 (Now UDB) to a completly
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Joe, It must be hard for you being so good and perfect!!! The rest of us just have to muddle along in our boring old pick jobs. Oh well, time to go home and dream about all those lucky people working on big boy systems. But then again Les over paid, under worked and happy Hewkin -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March 2004 16:34 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Damn it... Don't you anything something better to do! Moderator Stopped this Thread! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:45 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Joe, GET A LIFE. We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, so long as we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, if required. I guarantee I could write a proggie to do just about anything, interface with anything, natively bond with any database... With Pick-style products. Yes, Oracle can do things fast - only it takes yonks to develop, has to live within limitations, costs a bomb, requires big process power. Hell, even AS400 can do things, that's why they were built. It's just that mine can do ANY thing, no limitations, very little processing power (R83 on a single 286), costs? What costs? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Eugene Sent: 29 March 2004 06:27 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing We have UV doing everything on the BackEnd, we also have MSSQL Server to Support Data Warehousing... Why 2 Databases Systems? Cause UV Cant support Data Warehousing? Doesn't this eventually introduce Disparate Systems? U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they either have or are working on Web Services support Its funny you say the above, UV/PICK Guys in our Team didn't even understand the basics of XML.. leave alone XPath, XQuery etc. These Technologies are NATIVELY Supported in ORACLE/DB2 Etc. e.g. We pull XML Reports from our Vendors Real Time. I have to parse through the XML and give UV/PICK Guys a FLAT TEXT File... cause either UV Cannot handle the storage and Retrival of XML Data Using XPath/XQuery Techniques. Yes, we use DataStage to pull data out of UV Into MSSQL SERVER... For what? Why cant UV handle of the DB Job? As for Performance...UV Does NOT Perform Well in a OLTP Environment, SIMPLE: IF UV did Perform Well...Today's Fortune 500 would depend on UV and UV/PICK would have been in the TOP 3 OF DataBases. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:37 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so. U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they either have or are working on Web Services support (I know, for example, that the DSEngine in DataStage has support for Web Services). One could argue the need or purpose of supporting certain technologies, and the level of support currently within the products, but to say that there is little/no support is a bit uninformed. The U2 products ARE supported in certain Integration software. I wouldn't typically consider SAP/PeopleSoft integration software. They are Enterprise Software Suites, but not geared particularly at 'integration'. However, given that SAP and PeopleSoft OEM the DataStage product sets for both of their integration products (SAP's BW, PeopleSoft's EPM, JDEdwards stuff as well), and given DataStage works very well with both U2 products, this point is actually wrong. People who have SAP or PeopleSoft solutions CAN, very easily, integrate their U2 data to/from those environments. As to 'efficiency', one can measure that in a variety of different dimensions. From a memory/disk space/footprint/administrative overhead dimensions, the U2 database products are VERY efficient. Finally, as to being slow, again this depends on the measurement criteria being used. From the perspective of concurrent user access and the performance of application style DB usage (largely input/output, multiple concurrent users, etc..), the U2 products stand up very well to the mainstream guys. For support of VLDB, highly transactional query-based usage models, and the like, it does not. Trying to make the U2 products into what they are not is wrong. They are not the
RE: The lists are closing
There seems to be much confusion here. Let me take a shot at straightening it out: 1. The U2 lists have been run by Clif Oliver for a very long time. Clif has no direct ties to IBM or any of the companies who owned the U2 products before hand. 2. Clif has been running the lists on his own time; a very big undertaking. I think we are all very grateful to Clif for doing such an excellent job at this task for so long (I know I certainly am!) 3. Clif's decision to stop running the lists is his own. It was not a decision of U2UG or IBM - it was Clif's decision; a decision that is well within his rights (see #2 above). 4. One reason Clif decided to stop running the lists is that U2UG is moving toward filling the same need. Clif was looking at duplicate work coming along and decided that this was a good time to get out (if I read Clif's intentions correctly). 5. U2UG, which has no DIRECT ties to IBM either, is a nascent users' organization with plans to represent the interests of the U2 community with IBM. We're just now getting off the ground. We have our third or fourth meeting coming up tomorrow night. 6. The U2UG web site has U2 fora as the means of communication, something which people have been asking for for a long time. The decision to start the fora was made when the lists were also available so it was then considered as something in addition to, not instead of, the lists. 7. As Clif is pulling out of running the lists, the fora become the only game in town. But this is not the end of the world. There exists the possibility that mail lists can continue with someone else running them. 8. The MAJOR topic of discussion at tomorrow's U2UG board meeting will be the future of U2 communication technology. Clif is expected to be present at the meeting and will probably be willing to share his accumulated wisdom in this area, provided we don't provoke him too much in our ongoing discussions of the past, present and future of communication in the U2 community. Dana Baron System Manager Smugglers' Notch Resort -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Les, Nobody is perfect... My Theory is... We are all Technical Craft Men. We should all be Open Minded to Use the Best Tools to Carve our Art Well. Just because you are used to a Certain Brand of Technical Tool, you shouldn't be Too Big a Loyalist to Criticize its Problems. No More Posts from me... The above is all I have to say on this topic. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Les Hewkin Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:56 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Joe, It must be hard for you being so good and perfect!!! The rest of us just have to muddle along in our boring old pick jobs. Oh well, time to go home and dream about all those lucky people working on big boy systems. But then again Les over paid, under worked and happy Hewkin -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March 2004 16:34 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Damn it... Don't you anything something better to do! Moderator Stopped this Thread! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:45 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Joe, GET A LIFE. We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, so long as we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, if required. I guarantee I could write a proggie to do just about anything, interface with anything, natively bond with any database... With Pick-style products. Yes, Oracle can do things fast - only it takes yonks to develop, has to live within limitations, costs a bomb, requires big process power. Hell, even AS400 can do things, that's why they were built. It's just that mine can do ANY thing, no limitations, very little processing power (R83 on a single 286), costs? What costs? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Eugene Sent: 29 March 2004 06:27 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing We have UV doing everything on the BackEnd, we also have MSSQL Server to Support Data Warehousing... Why 2 Databases Systems? Cause UV Cant support Data Warehousing? Doesn't this eventually introduce Disparate Systems? U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they either have or are working on Web Services support Its funny you say the above, UV/PICK Guys in our Team didn't even understand the basics of XML.. leave alone XPath, XQuery etc. These Technologies are NATIVELY Supported in ORACLE/DB2 Etc. e.g. We pull XML Reports from our Vendors Real Time. I have to parse through the XML and give UV/PICK Guys a FLAT TEXT File... cause either UV Cannot handle the storage and Retrival of XML Data Using XPath/XQuery Techniques. Yes, we use DataStage to pull data out of UV Into MSSQL SERVER... For what? Why cant UV handle of the DB Job? As for Performance...UV Does NOT Perform Well in a OLTP Environment, SIMPLE: IF UV did Perform Well...Today's Fortune 500 would depend on UV and UV/PICK would have been in the TOP 3 OF DataBases. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David T. Meeks Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:37 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging technologies as rapidly as the 'Big Three', it HAS done so. U2, for example, has support for Java connectivity, XML, and I believe they either have or are working on Web Services support (I know, for example, that the DSEngine in DataStage has support for Web Services). One could argue the need or purpose of supporting certain technologies, and the level of support currently within the products, but to say that there is little/no support is a bit uninformed. The U2 products ARE supported in certain Integration software. I wouldn't typically consider SAP/PeopleSoft integration software. They are Enterprise Software Suites, but not geared particularly at 'integration'. However, given that SAP and PeopleSoft OEM the DataStage product sets for both of their integration products (SAP's BW, PeopleSoft's EPM, JDEdwards stuff as well), and given DataStage works very well with both U2 products, this point is actually wrong. People who have SAP or PeopleSoft solutions CAN, very easily, integrate their U2 data to/from those
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, so long as we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, if required. Joe suggests we can't learn XML, lets see fellow pickies, XML is hierarchical what do we know that could possibly help us understand that :). George Smith -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: U2UG Contract
Martin Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip I guess that most of us are looking to move to the U2UG site. I started off down that path this morning but, being a careful sort of person, I read the terms and conditions. Clause 7a worries me. I have discussed this briefly with our legal advisors who said that we shouldn't agree to it without clarification. I've been focused on other things the last 24 hours, and haven't been watching the list too closely, so I have a lot of catching up to do. I've read all the mail in the thread, and will respond where appropriate. I apologize for responding to an email that is this old... So what is clause 7a?... snip Clause 7 is part of a boiler plate TOS that is included with PostNuke. Nothing more, and nothing less. There have been *zero* discussions as to what our TOS should be other than to make sure that we indemnify U2UG from copywrite issues. If you are concerned about the wording of any part of the TOS suggest an alternative wording. As has been stated elsewhere this is an effort by and of your fellow U2 users; we aren't out to take your work or inflict any harm on you. My non-legal mind looks at this and reads into it that once I have submitted a posting to the site, I give away all rights to everything I have done and all my future work that may have any connection with what I have posted. I'm not even certain that the connection is necessary! I am also NAL, but I don't read it the same way. IMHO the clause says that if you post a comment or submit a story that U2UG.org has the right to publish that text. Having said that, I it is important that we recognize that the meaning of the current text is not important. Propose an alternative and lets spend whatever time is important talking about that text instead. ~ kevin zollinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Dennis Bartlett wrote: All that subscribing to a forum will do for you is that you'll get an email telling you that someone has replied to something on the forum. The email will NOT contain the posting, nor any reference short of the subject line to the previous post. In short, all communication from the U2UG site will be encouraging you to return to the web site to view each individual thread. This is not true. I am subscribed to several U2UG forums and I am receiving the entire message bodies via email. There may be a notification option as well, I didn't go looking since that's not what I wanted. What is not _yet_ available is the ability to reply to a posting, or to start a new thread, via email. Kevin is looking into it, and I have no doubt that he'll get it figured out shortly. -- Wendy Smoak Application Systems Analyst, Sr. ASU IA Information Resources Management -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: U2UG Contract
Lee Bacall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Cliff, I would like to thank you for being a selfless and non-partisan moderator as well as an apparent workaholic all these years, supporting the needs of the Universe/Unidata user base as well as the incredibly diverse whimsey found within the ranks of your loosely coupled band of angels. I too am grateful for all of the many hours that Cliff has invested in his effort. I think that it is time for some of the rest of us to step up to the plate and offer to help forward the cause of U2/MV. In its existing format there is no easy way for any of us to do that. I think that U2UG is a tool that we can use to allow others to help carry the load. I am truly saddened to see the transition of this forum from one of folk-art to a structured forum where the genius of those offering their wisdom and well thought out (or sometimes merely inspired) solutions, will thereafter become the intellectual properties of IBM. I don't know what folk-art means, and am unsure how adding structure to a discussion group is a bad thing, but as has been said elsewhere IBM does not own, operate or control U2UG. I do know that employees within IBM are very excited to contribute their time and efforts to U2UG, but this is in no way an indication that IBM owns the group. As is stated on every page of the website, your IP remains your IP. snip I am saddened to see that the 60's are over and that 1984 is indeed upon us. And here I thought that a group of like minded individuals getting together to better communicate with (impose its will upon??) a large multinational corporation was a very 60's thing to do. :) Maybe I'm just too young big grin. snip I for one am certainly in favor of a large, united front for all of us involved with a non-normalized first firm, nested, post-relational database and all of it's 19 +/- variants. I think that U2UG can provide that. We have the advantage of *already* having IBM supporting the effort. It would be tragic if we left IBM sitting alone at the conference table because the user community couldn't reach agreement. -- ~ kevin zollinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Thanks, Dana. Your explanation makes sense. Seems like the issues here relate to the suddenness of the lists closing. I'll really miss the free-flowing conversations. Then again, Clif more than deserves a vacation, and the tight deadline has focused this discussion wonderfully. And many, many thanks, Clif, for all your hard work in making this list *the* place for U2 info and support for so many years. Regards, Tom -Original Message- From: Dana Baron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 3/30/2004 11:02 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Cc: Subject: RE: The lists are closing There seems to be much confusion here. Let me take a shot at straightening it out: snip - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL information, including PROTECTED HEALTH INFORMATION. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or disclosure of this information is STRICTLY PROHIBITED; you are requested to delete this e-mail and any attachments, notify the sender immediately, and notify the LabCorp Privacy Officer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call (877) 23-HIPAA / (877) 234-4722. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Printers on NT
Hi All, We're upgrading our server to W2K3 and Universe to 10. We want to use a print server instead of the Universe server. Is this possible? Has anyone done this before? Thanks, Carl -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
LOL - Ron - where were you while they were BEGGING for people to become members and attend conference call meetings to decide how to set up the user's group and forum area? It was MONTHS ago that they asked for input, but probably got just enough to realize they'd have to wing it... And in reality, for a totally NON-funded, volunteer effort, all I can say is **WOW**... GOOD JOB!! I look at it like this: If you had to do it yourself, honestly, could you have done a better, more professional job? And if so, why didn't you volunteer to assist?!? They would have LOVED to have more help I'm sure!! Be glad people who are willing to do labors of love are here, and willing to share... I look forward to the group pushing forward - perhaps the forum software in use will have to ability to support email posts, but then again, that's when the spam messages start hitting! g Clif - thanks for the work over the ages - This email forum has been one of my 'must do' areas - just to stay abreast of where people are taking the software - even places IBM and others probably never imagined - the resources have been incredible... David W. snip If this statement is true it sounds like someone wasn't listening or asking the users if they were even interested in this forum idea. It seems to have been done without the input of the very people it is supposed to serve. For the record, I have unlimited internet access both at work and at home but I think the forum idea sucks. I want my list info via email so I can filter it and read it offline at a time that is convenient for me and my employer. I have subscribed to U2UG but I don't expect to spend much time there. Ron White snip -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: On learning to swim (u2-users U2UG)
It seems that there is only one piece of the puzzle that is missing; the ability to not only receive e-mail from the various forums but also to reply to that e-mail by way of e-mail (as opposed to writing the reply from within a browser). If that one feature were implemented I believe quite a lot of the reluctance that has appeared in the past day or so would be obviated. While not a big issue, it would be nice to see the posters address as well. The on behalf of information is great, especially when there are certain posters that you like to either 'read' or 'delete' regardless of the topic. Regards, Jim -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Wo... Lighten up, please. We're all trying to figure this out. And its not too late to start helping out. After tomorrow's meeting of the U2UG board (an all-volunteer board, so far; we haven't gotten around to having elections yet), we may be able to put forward some ideas as to where we're going and how YOU can help. snip I look at it like this: If you had to do it yourself, honestly, could you have done a better, more professional job? And if so, why didn't you volunteer to assist?!? They would have LOVED to have more help I'm sure!! Be glad people who are willing to do labors of love are here, and willing to share... Dana Baron System Manager Smugglers' Notch Resort -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing
David, Don't put 'volunteer' in the past tense. We will be looking for SIG leaders soon, we will be looking for forum moderators soon, and we will be transitioning to an elected board. There's always work for more hands in an organization of this type. If IBM keeps growing the U2 market (and it seems to be growing as we speak) then there will only be more need in the future, not less. - Charles I Volunteered Barouch David Wolverton wrote: LOL - Ron - where were you while they were BEGGING for people to become members and attend conference call meetings to decide how to set up the user's group and forum area? It was MONTHS ago that they asked for input, but probably got just enough to realize they'd have to wing it... And in reality, for a totally NON-funded, volunteer effort, all I can say is **WOW**... GOOD JOB!! I look at it like this: If you had to do it yourself, honestly, could you have done a better, more professional job? And if so, why didn't you volunteer to assist?!? They would have LOVED to have more help I'm sure!! Be glad people who are willing to do labors of love are here, and willing to share... I look forward to the group pushing forward - perhaps the forum software in use will have to ability to support email posts, but then again, that's when the spam messages start hitting! g Clif - thanks for the work over the ages - This email forum has been one of my 'must do' areas - just to stay abreast of where people are taking the software - even places IBM and others probably never imagined - the resources have been incredible... David W. snip If this statement is true it sounds like someone wasn't listening or asking the users if they were even interested in this forum idea. It seems to have been done without the input of the very people it is supposed to serve. For the record, I have unlimited internet access both at work and at home but I think the forum idea sucks. I want my list info via email so I can filter it and read it offline at a time that is convenient for me and my employer. I have subscribed to U2UG but I don't expect to spend much time there. Ron White snip -- Sincerely, Charles Barouch www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: On learning to swim (u2-users U2UG)
Oops - it's there - it just didn't stand out at me. My apologies. I still prefer being able to easily see the address in the 'from' within Outlook, but this is ok. Regards, Jim While not a big issue, it would be nice to see the posters address as well. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Good point!! I currently sit on a Volunteer Board (Treasurer no less) - and as anyone who does this will likely attest - there is nothing like working on a volunteer Board to make you fear for (or despise g) humanity in general! The number of after-the fact non-volunteers pointing out what we *should* have done is always staggering... But I'm sure my turn will come for service to the U2 community... Until then, let me tell you what you *should* have done... g DW snippers Don't put 'volunteer' in the past tense. We will be looking for SIG leaders soon, we will be looking for forum moderators soon, and we will be transitioning to an elected board. There's always work for more hands in an organization of this type. If IBM keeps growing the U2 market (and it seems to be growing as we speak) then there will only be more need in the future, not less. - Charles I Volunteered Barouch snip snip -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data as strings. However, if the UV programmer is careful he/she can get it to do maths processing. Variables within UVBasic are string unless the result of an expression is numeric whereby it becomes numeric. UV stores numeric data such as dates, time and numbers as a string value with no decimal point etc. quite deliberately. Trevor partly right. However the MvBASIC statement A = 1 makes the variable A into a numeric typed datum. I'm not sure you could say this is the result of an expression being mathematical, after all Store is both a string and a numeric command. The system converts the loading of a purely numeric argument into a LOADN or STOREN type command on some MV systems, which the loading of a string is a LOAD or LOADS or STORES or something similar to that. Of course the programmer just says A = 1 or A = DOG and doesn't have to worry about how the argument is typed in the run engine. Run Engine Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson Are you hearing nothing? Please don't start insulting me you ignorant fat slob. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 11:02:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 6. The U2UG web site has U2 fora as the means of communication, something which people have been asking for for a long time. The decision to start the fora was made when the lists were also available so it was then considered as something in addition to, not instead of, the lists. It is possible to setup forums in such a way that: 1) You can respond in the forum OR 2) You can respond via email I am subscribed to some genealogy lists that work exactly this way. We get postings via emil (if subscribed) on every post that goes into the forum. You can respond to the email directly OR you can click a link and go back to the forum and respond in the forum. So there Will Johnson -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: U2UG Contract
In a message dated 3/30/2004 11:24:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There have been *zero* discussions as to what our TOS should be other than to make sure that we indemnify U2UG from copywrite issues. If you are concerned about the wording of any part of the TOS suggest an alternative wording. All postings to this forum remain the sole property of the poster. Postings however can be copied, observing US copyright law, for non-profit purposes. U2ug does not take any responsbility for any postings to this forum. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Now Will... we don't know that he's fat -- Dave Walker ¸..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- -:¦:-¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´ * Peace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The lists are closing In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson Are you hearing nothing? Please don't start insulting me you ignorant fat slob. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
dhl shipping software integration
Currently We integrate with our UPS Worldship software by FTPing our shipping info over to the UPS machine, then an ODBC is setup to link the ftp file to it's own use. Then all we need to do is key in a key on the UPS software, it looks up the shipping and everything else needed and fills in automagically. As well, when we close out the UPS machine, it creates a file which we then FTP out and parse apart for the tracking#. Does anyone know if DHL's software can handle the same thing? or what methods you use to interface with DHL shipping software. Any not too pricy ($1000) 3rd party solutions ok as well. We are on UV on Unix, and the DHL machine is on the network. Thanks George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - An innovative information, education and management company http://www.slackinc.com -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: U2UG Contract
US copyright law doesn't help me in Australia. Maybe applicable copyright law is a better term. Then, Unless explicitly forbidden postings can be copied... is my preferred wording on that issue. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:50:00 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (U2 Users Discussion List) Subject: Re: U2UG Contract All postings to this forum remain the sole property of the poster. Postings however can be copied, observing US copyright law, for non-profit purposes. U2ug does not take any responsbility for any postings to this forum. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: dhl shipping software integration
George, I've done direct ODBC for UPS and FedEx from mv (D3 on linux in my case), so I suspect that DHL has to have the same ability. - Charles I actually received a check for .02 cents this week Barouch George Gallen wrote: Currently We integrate with our UPS Worldship software by FTPing our shipping info over to the UPS machine, then an ODBC is setup to link the ftp file to it's own use. Then all we need to do is key in a key on the UPS software, it looks up the shipping and everything else needed and fills in automagically. As well, when we close out the UPS machine, it creates a file which we then FTP out and parse apart for the tracking#. Does anyone know if DHL's software can handle the same thing? or what methods you use to interface with DHL shipping software. Any not too pricy ($1000) 3rd party solutions ok as well. We are on UV on Unix, and the DHL machine is on the network. Thanks George George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:856.848.1000 Ext 220 SLACK Incorporated - An innovative information, education and management company http://www.slackinc.com -- Sincerely, Charles Barouch www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a different application. Both have an index on the first line of the Postal Address. My query was to show all customers with the first line of the Postal address like %EXPLORATION Results:- UniVerse 9 seconds Oracle 25 seconds Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing
Your not just going to lay there and take that are you? Scott Stir the pot Thompson In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Listen, Will the blind, deaf and possibly dumb Johnson Are you hearing nothing? Please don't start insulting me you ignorant fat slob. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: treated as strings (was Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing)
Don't you think the UV people meant that everything in UV is stored in the file (treated) as strings (characters)? Maybe that confused Joe, not coming from a pick environment. Ron You think this is intense? I used to work with Will Walenciak :) ps: Will: I'd work with you again in a minute! :) In a message dated 3/30/2004 2:30:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:06:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our UV Developers tell me, everything in UV is treated as Strings.. Do you think MATH Functions will Perform better in UV than a DataBase that supports DataTypes? Joe this is not true Did it ever occur to you that maybe you are misinterpreting what they are saying or perhaps they are not saying it right or perhaps don't know any better? Everything in UV is NOT treated as a string. UV has several datum types, you just don't see them on the surface, they are handled underneath. I can assure you that math functions (provided you don't specifically request stringmath) are treated as numbers, numeric types, etc. They are absolutely not treated as strings, except where the programmer makes specific string function calls using those variables. Will Stringless Johnson Fast Forward -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Mr. Moderator... I started an ARGUMENT ALRIGHT... But I did NOT Make any Personal Comments To Anybody on this LIST Until some UN-PROFESSIONAL IDIOT WON'T STOP! You might want to check the emails. statements that are untrue because you are ignorant and spout off about IF you feel my comments are without SUBSTANCE... WHY NOT ARGUE BACK with some Valid Proof... Instead of start Calling People Names... like school kids! Yes, it is only Normal when People Fail or Run out of Arguments... they start making Personal Remarks... This Denotes their FAILURE! Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:32 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:22:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clif, Sorry... I kept this discussion to the best of my Professionalism, until a few folks here Provoked with some serious name calling. Its appears bad enough... some folks here cannot discuss stuff in a constructive argument. Thanks, Joe Eugene Joe that is untrue, you started the greased ball by launching an atomic bomb without really understanding what you are talking about. As many people pointed out here, your attacks are without substance. You make statements that are untrue because you are ignorant and spout off about how horrible something is which does not even exist. When you are called on it, you change the subject. Next? Will It's not the Sun it's the Moon Johnson -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Then perhaps you should take your own advice and HIT DELETE -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [unsightly rubbish snipped] IF you feel my comments are without SUBSTANCE... WHY NOT ARGUE BACK with some Valid Proof... Instead of start Calling People Names... like school kids! Yes, it is only Normal when People Fail or Run out of Arguments... they start making Personal Remarks... This Denotes their FAILURE! Joe Eugene -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Database horse races: just the facts, maam, just the facts!
Thank you Sara for giving us the real facts (and just the facts). Seems this should put the arguement to bed unless someone has some other real FACTS. It begs the question, however, as to why Oracle is used at all, ... being three times slower that is. Patrick Will Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. 919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC - Original Message - From: Sara Burns To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a different application. Both have an index on the first line of the Postal Address. My query was to show all customers with the first line of the Postal address like %EXPLORATION Results:- UniVerse 9 seconds Oracle 25 seconds Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Thank You!
Clif, You have our unending gratitude for all you have done, for all these years. So long, and thanks for all the, well, you know! CONFIDENTIAL NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Sara, Can you please post your Query and results... Cause I am seeing the EXACT Opposite...as I posted earlier. Oracle Query is what? Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; The above takes about 7-9 Times More Time to get any results on Our UV QUAD PROCESSOR MACHINE. Please post your PICK/BASIC Statement. Also you might want to dump the data in a separate table... other than something you use for other things. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sara Burns Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a different application. Both have an index on the first line of the Postal Address. My query was to show all customers with the first line of the Postal address like %EXPLORATION Results:- UniVerse 9 seconds Oracle 25 seconds Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
I think the results point out the fallacy of your arguments. It shows, pretty definitevly, that UV can and does perform as well/better as Oracle, albeit under certain circumstances (ie, I'm sure other kinds of queries could produce different results). It doesn't mean you will always get better performance, but rather, it offers competitive performance (better for some things, worse for others) However, one thing I did want to address is your QUAD processor point. You've made it a few times, and I just had to point out that it is irrelevant to the discussion. While UV will take native advantage of multi-processors in it's execution, a single query executed by a single user, especially such as that listed, will execute on a single processor, so no benefits will be seen for being on a QUAD (or a 64-way) machine. So, in reality, you are talking about the performance equivalent of operating on a single processor machine of whatever rating it has (and obviously, memory, other applications running, etc... impact that) Dave -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 3/30/2004 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Sara, Can you please post your Query and results... Cause I am seeing the EXACT Opposite...as I posted earlier. Oracle Query is what? Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; The above takes about 7-9 Times More Time to get any results on Our UV QUAD PROCESSOR MACHINE. Please post your PICK/BASIC Statement. Also you might want to dump the data in a separate table... other than something you use for other things. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sara Burns Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a different application. Both have an index on the first line of the Postal Address. My query was to show all customers with the first line of the Postal address like %EXPLORATION Results:- UniVerse 9 seconds Oracle 25 seconds Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing
Don't forget the 80/20 rule. 80% of the work gets done by 20% of the people. Eugene - Original Message - From: David Wolverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: The lists are closing Good point!! I currently sit on a Volunteer Board (Treasurer no less) - and as anyone who does this will likely attest - there is nothing like working on a volunteer Board to make you fear for (or despise g) humanity in general! The number of after-the fact non-volunteers pointing out what we *should* have done is always staggering... But I'm sure my turn will come for service to the U2 community... Until then, let me tell you what you *should* have done... g DW snippers Don't put 'volunteer' in the past tense. We will be looking for SIG leaders soon, we will be looking for forum moderators soon, and we will be transitioning to an elected board. There's always work for more hands in an organization of this type. If IBM keeps growing the U2 market (and it seems to be growing as we speak) then there will only be more need in the future, not less. - Charles I Volunteered Barouch snip snip -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Dave, Just thought you'd like to know that multi-threaded sorting is available (via a uvconfig parameter) in 10.1. Regards, LeRoy F. Dreyfuss Advanced Technical Services - UniVerse IBM U2 Data Management Solutions Tel: 303-672-1254 Fax: 303-294-4832 Mobile: 720-341-4317 External email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support www.ibm.com/software/data/u2/support - Open, Query, Update, Search - Online! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ialsoftware.com Sent by: To u2-users-bounces@ [EMAIL PROTECTED] oliver.com cc Subject 03/30/2004 04:36 RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) PM Please respond to U2 Users Discussion List I think the results point out the fallacy of your arguments. It shows, pretty definitevly, that UV can and does perform as well/better as Oracle, albeit under certain circumstances (ie, I'm sure other kinds of queries could produce different results). It doesn't mean you will always get better performance, but rather, it offers competitive performance (better for some things, worse for others) However, one thing I did want to address is your QUAD processor point. You've made it a few times, and I just had to point out that it is irrelevant to the discussion. While UV will take native advantage of multi-processors in it's execution, a single query executed by a single user, especially such as that listed, will execute on a single processor, so no benefits will be seen for being on a QUAD (or a 64-way) machine. So, in reality, you are talking about the performance equivalent of operating on a single processor machine of whatever rating it has (and obviously, memory, other applications running, etc... impact that) Dave -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 3/30/2004 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Sara, Can you please post your Query and results... Cause I am seeing the EXACT Opposite...as I posted earlier. Oracle Query is what? Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; The above takes about 7-9 Times More Time to get any results on Our UV QUAD PROCESSOR MACHINE. Please post your PICK/BASIC Statement. Also you might want to dump the data in a separate table... other than something you use for other things. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sara Burns Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a different application. Both have an index on the first line of the Postal Address. My query was to show all customers with the first line of the Postal address like %EXPLORATION Results:- UniVerse 9 seconds Oracle 25 seconds Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Dave, I think the results point out the fallacy of your arguments. The results Sara posted here does NOT Prove anything, cause my results show the EXACT Opposite. So the deciding factor is to analyze what Sara wrote to come up with the results she posted Again post the code! Here is my code on MS SQL-SERVER that returns a resultset. Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; RESULTS Machine: 950 MHZ Athlon Database: MSSQL SERVER 2K Records: 20 Million Indexes: NO Search Time: 2 Seconds What is your code on UV that returns the above results? If you can prove that UV Comes back in 5 Seconds under the above Conditions...I would be most happy to agree that UV is Competitive. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) I think the results point out the fallacy of your arguments. It shows, pretty definitevly, that UV can and does perform as well/better as Oracle, albeit under certain circumstances (ie, I'm sure other kinds of queries could produce different results). It doesn't mean you will always get better performance, but rather, it offers competitive performance (better for some things, worse for others) However, one thing I did want to address is your QUAD processor point. You've made it a few times, and I just had to point out that it is irrelevant to the discussion. While UV will take native advantage of multi-processors in it's execution, a single query executed by a single user, especially such as that listed, will execute on a single processor, so no benefits will be seen for being on a QUAD (or a 64-way) machine. So, in reality, you are talking about the performance equivalent of operating on a single processor machine of whatever rating it has (and obviously, memory, other applications running, etc... impact that) Dave -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 3/30/2004 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Sara, Can you please post your Query and results... Cause I am seeing the EXACT Opposite...as I posted earlier. Oracle Query is what? Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; The above takes about 7-9 Times More Time to get any results on Our UV QUAD PROCESSOR MACHINE. Please post your PICK/BASIC Statement. Also you might want to dump the data in a separate table... other than something you use for other things. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sara Burns Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a different application. Both have an index on the first line of the Postal Address. My query was to show all customers with the first line of the Postal address like %EXPLORATION Results:- UniVerse 9 seconds Oracle 25 seconds Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Hello Dave, At 09:36 AM 31/03/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, one thing I did want to address is your QUAD processor point. You've made it a few times, and I just had to point out that it is irrelevant to the discussion. While UV will take native advantage of multi-processors in it's execution, a single query executed by a single user, especially such as that listed, will execute on a single processor, so no benefits will be seen for being on a QUAD (or a 64-way) machine. Just curious about the above - why does it have to be that way? You are reading in groups one at a time and then merging them into the main list. Surely you can have at least one thread read in the records(as this takes a long time) and at least one other do an insertion sort on the group and a merge sort on the main list simultaneously. If you use a merge sort you should be able to break it into how many ever processors are available then merge each processors final sub-list together to get the result. - Robert -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Sara, Were server loading issues the same between your queries? Were both DB's online and active during the queries? Same number of users? same time of day, etc. As an interesting academic exercise would it be possible to run after hours tests by pausing UV during the Oracle query and whatever the Oracle's equivalent is (quiescent) during the UV's query? It might also be helpful to run the same query a few times to produce an average time for query. You'll also need to address any lingering memory and temp space traces of the files between tests (logging off between tests might do that, not really sure on that one...) Eric Y. Neu Sr. Programmer Analyst Zetron, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Eugene Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:07 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Sara, Can you please post your Query and results... Cause I am seeing the EXACT Opposite...as I posted earlier. Oracle Query is what? Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; The above takes about 7-9 Times More Time to get any results on Our UV QUAD PROCESSOR MACHINE. Please post your PICK/BASIC Statement. Also you might want to dump the data in a separate table... other than something you use for other things. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sara Burns Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a different application. Both have an index on the first line of the Postal Address. My query was to show all customers with the first line of the Postal address like %EXPLORATION Results:- UniVerse 9 seconds Oracle 25 seconds Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Thank you Will but I consider A = 1 to be an assignment of the number 1 being the result of expression 1 which in my books is numeric. To clarify this point for others... anything on the right hand side of an assignment symbol (in this case =) is an expression Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data as strings. However, if the UV programmer is careful he/she can get it to do maths processing. Variables within UVBasic are string unless the result of an expression is numeric whereby it becomes numeric. UV stores numeric data such as dates, time and numbers as a string value with no decimal point etc. quite deliberately. Trevor partly right. However the MvBASIC statement A = 1 makes the variable A into a numeric typed datum. I'm not sure you could say this is the result of an expression being mathematical, after all Store is both a string and a numeric command. The system converts the loading of a purely numeric argument into a LOADN or STOREN type command on some MV systems, which the loading of a string is a LOAD or LOADS or STORES or something similar to that. Of course the programmer just says A = 1 or A = DOG and doesn't have to worry about how the argument is typed in the run engine. Run Engine Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Are you ever going to just go away..! So sick of this discussion! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/30/2004 3:56:28 PM Dave, I think the results point out the fallacy of your arguments. The results Sara posted here does NOT Prove anything, cause my results show the EXACT Opposite. So the deciding factor is to analyze what Sara wrote to come up with the results she posted Again post the code! Here is my code on MS SQL-SERVER that returns a resultset. Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; RESULTS Machine: 950 MHZ Athlon Database: MSSQL SERVER 2K Records: 20 Million Indexes: NO Search Time: 2 Seconds What is your code on UV that returns the above results? If you can prove that UV Comes back in 5 Seconds under the above Conditions...I would be most happy to agree that UV is Competitive. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) I think the results point out the fallacy of your arguments. It shows, pretty definitevly, that UV can and does perform as well/better as Oracle, albeit under certain circumstances (ie, I'm sure other kinds of queries could produce different results). It doesn't mean you will always get better performance, but rather, it offers competitive performance (better for some things, worse for others) However, one thing I did want to address is your QUAD processor point. You've made it a few times, and I just had to point out that it is irrelevant to the discussion. While UV will take native advantage of multi-processors in it's execution, a single query executed by a single user, especially such as that listed, will execute on a single processor, so no benefits will be seen for being on a QUAD (or a 64-way) machine. So, in reality, you are talking about the performance equivalent of operating on a single processor machine of whatever rating it has (and obviously, memory, other applications running, etc... impact that) Dave -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 3/30/2004 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Sara, Can you please post your Query and results... Cause I am seeing the EXACT Opposite...as I posted earlier. Oracle Query is what? Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; The above takes about 7-9 Times More Time to get any results on Our UV QUAD PROCESSOR MACHINE. Please post your PICK/BASIC Statement. Also you might want to dump the data in a separate table... other than something you use for other things. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sara Burns Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a different application. Both have an index on the first line of the Postal Address. My query was to show all customers with the first line of the Postal address like %EXPLORATION Results:- UniVerse 9 seconds Oracle 25 seconds Sara Burns Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Trevor, I *think* the issue is that the mv runtime does typecast variables on the fly, transparently. Which means that assigning a number or the result of a numeric expression (AVAR = 1 * 3) results in AVAR becoming an Integer variable. If you then say something 'string-ish' (AVAR = The answer is : AVAR) then the variable is recast on the fly into a String variable. - Charles Constant Barouch Trevor Ockenden wrote: Thank you Will but I consider A = 1 to be an assignment of the number 1 being the result of expression 1 which in my books is numeric. To clarify this point for others... anything on the right hand side of an assignment symbol (in this case =) is an expression Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data as strings. However, if the UV programmer is careful he/she can get it to do maths processing. Variables within UVBasic are string unless the result of an expression is numeric whereby it becomes numeric. UV stores numeric data such as dates, time and numbers as a string value with no decimal point etc. quite deliberately. Trevor partly right. However the MvBASIC statement A = 1 makes the variable A into a numeric typed datum. I'm not sure you could say this is the result of an expression being mathematical, after all Store is both a string and a numeric command. The system converts the loading of a purely numeric argument into a LOADN or STOREN type command on some MV systems, which the loading of a string is a LOAD or LOADS or STORES or something similar to that. Of course the programmer just says A = 1 or A = DOG and doesn't have to worry about how the argument is typed in the run engine. Run Engine Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- Sincerely, Charles Barouch www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE
Oh, my. When I misread a situation, I do a bang up job of it, don't I? It was never my intent to throw the community into such an uproar. I still intend to quit being the list host and moderator. But it appears that not only is U2UG not sure how/if/when they could take on the load, but I didn't know there would be such resistance. I will keep the lists running as they are through the end of the month of April. I want to give U2UG and any other parties interesting in continuing this more time to figure out if/how/when. That should take some of the pressure off. *HOWEVER*, I am going to stick to the time commitments I have made to myself and my other projects, so I will not be actively moderating the list posts. It is up to all of you to try to regain your decorum. Dana did a great job in this post (what a job as my ghostwriter? :-). So I will embed commentary below. 1. The U2 lists have been run by Clif Oliver for a very long time. Clif has no direct ties to IBM or any of the companies who owned the U2 products before hand. That is correct. IBM is one of my clients. So was Vmark/Ascential/Informix, Prime Computer, ADDS, and other manufacturers. But I am not an employee, receive no funding from IBM for this list, no official sponsorship, etc. Heck, last time I asked, I couldn't even get them to give me an IBM shirt for my collection. Something about consultants and the Legal Department grin. 3. Clif's decision to stop running the lists is his own. It was not a decision of U2UG or IBM - it was Clif's decision; a decision that is well within his rights (see #2 above). Also correct. I'll share some of those reasons later. But U2UG had no part in this decision. I didn't consult them, and I certainly did not ask for their approval. This is my own choice. 4. One reason Clif decided to stop running the lists is that U2UG is moving toward filling the same need. Clif was looking at duplicate work coming along and decided that this was a good time to get out (if I read Clif's intentions correctly). You read my intentions exactly correct. For a variety of reasons, I have been contemplating shutting down for a couple of years. It was just that U2UG was formed, they had official IBM recognition (NOT ownership or control), and when the site went live, there were parallel forums that duplicated everything the list tried to provide. So I thought the time was here that I could bow out of this particular role without feeling like I was abandoning the U2 Community. Just make an announcement and let everyone shift over to a group and method already setting there, idling, waiting for users. I don't need to recap what has happened since I hit the [Send] button on that message. 7. As Clif is pulling out of running the lists, the fora become the only game in town. But this is not the end of the world. There exists the possibility that mail lists can continue with someone else running them. Hopefully by providing the lists through April, I've relieved the pressure on this situation. 8. The MAJOR topic of discussion at tomorrow's U2UG board meeting will be the future of U2 communication technology. Clif is expected to be present at the meeting and will probably be willing to share his accumulated wisdom in this area, provided we don't provoke him too much in our ongoing discussions of the past, present and future of communication in the U2 community. I'll be there. Now let me add some additional points. There has been some misunderstanding about U2UG's role in this, even with the Board. U2UG is not the rightful heir to the lists. *IF* they, or another party, want to take up the hosting of the list it will be with a clear statement and ongoing commitment that the contents of the list are free of any intellectual property restrictions. What gets posted to the list is free (as in freedom) for anyone to use as they see fit. They must also commit to providing this list, or alternative to it, for free (as in beer), that is, no charge. (Yes, I favor the BSD license over the GPL--how did you guess?) In addition, I will give a two week notice on the list if a new someone is going to host it. That will give everyone who does not want to participate a chance to unsubscribe. That way their address will not be in the transfered database. I hope that clears up that discussion, as far as privacy and ip issues are concerned. Some of the reasons I am bowing out of this role: 1. I've been doing it for what 8, 10 years? It has been so long, I forget. I simply want to spend the time working on some other things. I don't have enough time to do both. And I strongly feel that if you are going to host and moderate a list, you must take it seriously, and put your very best work into it. I'd like to spend that time pusuing other interests. 2. E-mail has gotten onerous. Behind the scenes, I spend from 1/2 an hour to a couple of hours per day dealing with bounce messages, misdirected messages, virus issues,
RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE
Just let me be the first to say - YEA!!! Thanks for the last minute reprieve, Gover... er, Clif. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:43 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE snippage I will keep the lists running as they are through the end of the month of April. I want to give U2UG and any other parties interesting in continuing this more time to figure out if/how/when. rest of post sniped -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Re Text File to PDF
I've used active fax from www.actfax.com with good results for faxing. However, while investigating usage as a large report PDF emailer, it generates huge PDF files since the content is converted to a graphic. 7 pages is 714kb. Whereas using PCL2PDF the file is 14KB. Does VSI-FAX or other pdf-enabled email/fax solutions handle the PDF conversion as text instead? Otherwise its back to pcl2pdf ( www.visual.co.uk/pcl2pdf.html ) and blat for this other project I'm working on. Thanks! -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
In a message dated 3/30/2004 7:34:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Trevor, I *think* the issue is that the mv runtime does typecast variables on the fly, transparently. Which means that assigning a number or the result of a numeric expression (AVAR = 1 * 3) results in AVAR becoming an Integer variable. If you then say something 'string-ish' (AVAR = The answer is : AVAR) then the variable is recast on the fly into a String variable. - Charles Constant Barouch Chuck (if that is your real name) yes you are correct. The runtime engine recasts on the fly, but it leaves the recast variable as the new type until required to change it so A = 1 ; * a is cast as numeric PRINT Hello world ; * A is still numeric A = A:stuff ; * A is now recast as a string OPEN MYFILE TO XXX ; * A is still a string A = A + 0 ; * A is now recast as a numeric again My point is that any intervening operations on other variables don't change the last casting of A, only a forced become a string! or become a numeric! will recast it. Recasting beings in ten minutes Will Johnson -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Well, my understanding of the query used was a single key field query based on an indexed key. This would involve simply reading the index entry, and then doing hash reads on the records contained in that index key. When sorting, at least on some systems, we do have a parallel/threaded sort engine to perform a merge-sort similar to what you describe. Just didn't seem that this called for such a need. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Colquhoun To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 3/30/2004 7:01 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Hello Dave, At 09:36 AM 31/03/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, one thing I did want to address is your QUAD processor point. You've made it a few times, and I just had to point out that it is irrelevant to the discussion. While UV will take native advantage of multi-processors in it's execution, a single query executed by a single user, especially such as that listed, will execute on a single processor, so no benefits will be seen for being on a QUAD (or a 64-way) machine. Just curious about the above - why does it have to be that way? You are reading in groups one at a time and then merging them into the main list. Surely you can have at least one thread read in the records(as this takes a long time) and at least one other do an insertion sort on the group and a merge sort on the main list simultaneously. If you use a merge sort you should be able to break it into how many ever processors are available then merge each processors final sub-list together to get the result. - Robert -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Well, why they don't prove anything, they do provide more convincing evidence than the results you mention. They are results comparing the same query, against the same basic dataset, on the same machine hardware/configuration. You are running the two queries/comparisons on dissimilar machines, and it's entirely possible that something related to the configuration of the machine itself is causing the problems. The very fact that Sara got the results she got is pretty compelling that it IS competitive. As a side note, you've mentioned not understanding why people seem so miffed about your position. Consider that you have come onto the list on a number of occasions, professed to know very little about the product, and then proceed to lambast it in any number of ways. You have questioned the very legitimacy of the product and how anyone could consider it to be useful. Now, consider that you are making these arguments out of ignorance and to a crowd of professionals who have made quite a career/profession out of using the product you find to be fundamentally illegitimate. This doesn't even mention the fact that you call into question the reputation/intelligence of corporations such as Anhaueser-Busch, American Express, and IBM (to name a few) who have production environments running UV. Add to this companies like Datatel, Hughes, and others running UniData. I'm sure the board could list hundreds of other big-name companies using the product, but we won't bother. Ultimately, the U2 products have proven themselves to be very successful. They have, themselves, eclipsed the 1 BILLION in lifetime revenue, and have been the underlying technology used in multiple BILLIONS in overall products in the market today, through the VARs that embed them in their applications. I guess it's just kind of hard to see much of your position holding water based on this... It's not a have they made as much as the Big Three argument. It's a have they been very successful argument. And, in that argument, the answer is an emphatic yes. -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 3/30/2004 6:56 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Dave, I think the results point out the fallacy of your arguments. The results Sara posted here does NOT Prove anything, cause my results show the EXACT Opposite. So the deciding factor is to analyze what Sara wrote to come up with the results she posted Again post the code! Here is my code on MS SQL-SERVER that returns a resultset. Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; RESULTS Machine: 950 MHZ Athlon Database: MSSQL SERVER 2K Records: 20 Million Indexes: NO Search Time: 2 Seconds What is your code on UV that returns the above results? If you can prove that UV Comes back in 5 Seconds under the above Conditions...I would be most happy to agree that UV is Competitive. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) I think the results point out the fallacy of your arguments. It shows, pretty definitevly, that UV can and does perform as well/better as Oracle, albeit under certain circumstances (ie, I'm sure other kinds of queries could produce different results). It doesn't mean you will always get better performance, but rather, it offers competitive performance (better for some things, worse for others) However, one thing I did want to address is your QUAD processor point. You've made it a few times, and I just had to point out that it is irrelevant to the discussion. While UV will take native advantage of multi-processors in it's execution, a single query executed by a single user, especially such as that listed, will execute on a single processor, so no benefits will be seen for being on a QUAD (or a 64-way) machine. So, in reality, you are talking about the performance equivalent of operating on a single processor machine of whatever rating it has (and obviously, memory, other applications running, etc... impact that) Dave -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 3/30/2004 6:07 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Sara, Can you please post your Query and results... Cause I am seeing the EXACT Opposite...as I posted earlier. Oracle Query is what? Select firstName from Customers where firstName like 'Sar%'; The above takes about 7-9 Times More Time to get any results on Our UV QUAD PROCESSOR MACHINE. Please post your PICK/BASIC Statement. Also you might want to dump the data in a separate table... other than something you use for other things. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sara Burns Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:03 PM To: [EMAIL
Data typing in MV Basic
Charles I feel we may be in agreement here but I'm not sure. A = 1 assigns a numeric integer. The expression need not contain operators (+,-,etc) to be numeric. A = 1 assigns a string however, as you have explicitly declared it to be string. A = 1 + 2 assigns a numeric integer value (3) as the result is numeric. A = one + 2 assigns a zero - according to the error message. For the benefit of those watching on the side-lines... This is why a dimensioned array should (if possible) be used where accumulations are concerned as the elements of dimensioned arrays are individual variables and as such can by typed numeric to speed the mathematics whereas dynamic arrays in this situation are always storing the data as a string so conversions are carried out before and after each mathematical accumulation. Hope this has been of interest to some. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals - Original Message - From: Results [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:34 AM Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Trevor, I *think* the issue is that the mv runtime does typecast variables on the fly, transparently. Which means that assigning a number or the result of a numeric expression (AVAR = 1 * 3) results in AVAR becoming an Integer variable. If you then say something 'string-ish' (AVAR = The answer is : AVAR) then the variable is recast on the fly into a String variable. - Charles Constant Barouch Trevor Ockenden wrote: Thank you Will but I consider A = 1 to be an assignment of the number 1 being the result of expression 1 which in my books is numeric. To clarify this point for others... anything on the right hand side of an assignment symbol (in this case =) is an expression Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE
Great news! Thanks again Cliff Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Your website
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RE: Comparing Oracle with UV
Trevor, I will try to do this ANALYZE.FILE STATS sometime tomorrow. Again... Nobody here has come up with any real proof of any clear testing results...other than just sending out useless random emails. I provided the exact details on my testing, can you do me a BIG Favor. Do you have any UV DataBase that Contains around 20 Million Records? Can you do a CASE IN-SENSITIVE Search against ONE Field in UV FILE/TABLE and post the real time average results? I belive the syntax UV uses for WILD CARD Search is ] I simply cannot even come with a Seconds Timing againt less than 1 Million Records in MS-SQL Server with NO Indexes, which proves very good performance. I have never seen this Kinda Good Performance in any UV Programs/Against any UV Files within UV/PICK/BASIC. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trevor Ockenden Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Comparing Oracle with UV Joe As this comparison is still raging why don't you do the ANALYZE.FILE STATS for us and post the results as my experience has shown that 9 times out of 10 performance is related to file sizing. A fundamental element of setting up any database. Note, we all stand to learn something here. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals M: +61 414 731 634 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Well Said Sara. - Original Message - From: Sara Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) As requested My queries were done on our machine reasonably early in the morning before there were a lot of users. I repeated them to ensure that data was in cache. Both had the same format SELECT CustomerNo FROM CustomerFile WHERE PostalAddLine1 like '%EXPLORATION%' ORDER BY CustomerName I will admit that I was surprised at the performance when we set up the index in UniVerse on that field. It showed me the value of using indexes. Before indexes were available in UniVerse this was done by different means. This type of select would not have been considered. I think this is a big difference between Oracle and UniVerse. As these features have become available in UniVerse etc some leap at the chance to use them and others keep doing things the old way. Sometimes they may have been bitten by odd bugs in the past. UniVerse has most of the latest features if we choose to use them. This CustomerFile has 14 indexes. I cannot repeat the tests now as the machine is heavily loaded and will be until late this evening. However I did try again just to convince myself and got the same relativity. Maybe we need to tune Oracle better for this query One possible difference is that this query is directly to the database from our UniVerse application, not via an intermediate layer. AIX 5.2, UniVerse 10.0.11, Oracle 9.0.2 I think we should leave this discussion now. Maybe it is time for experimentation - I have found you can get great improvements with the right approach. Sara Burns (SEB) Development Team Leader Public Trust Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) Mobile: 027 457 5974 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, copied or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Data typing in MV Basic
In a message dated 3/30/2004 8:19:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A = 1 assigns a numeric integer. The expression need not contain operators (+,-,etc) to be numeric. A = 1 assigns a string however, as you have explicitly declared it to be string. A = 1 + 2 assigns a numeric integer value (3) as the result is numeric. A = one + 2 assigns a zero - according to the error message. yes no yes yes they all assign numerics imho 1 is cast as a numeric because the system is smart enough to realize its a numeric string and has no purpose casting it as a string Any idea how to test which it is? Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Comparing Oracle with UV
Joe I do not have access to a file with 20 million records but I will create one with random data and try to carry out your test. Bare in mind I will be using my laptop (NEC Versa LX P2 366 - 384Mb RAM and relatively slow disk) which may sku the results somewhat but I will do my best to tune UV to get satisfactory results. With luck and in between picking up the kids etc. I should have a result by tomorrow (as it is nearly knock off time Down Under). I would be interested to know if you could create the environment from scratch to carry out this test as I am intending to do? How long would that take you? For your interest, whilst I was typing this e-mail my program to create the data has already created 1 million records. It took approximately 5 minutes to write. Compiled first time. I also have [EMAIL PROTECTED] running, plus 10 other windows open. Total memory usage is 244Mb on Win2000. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals - Original Message - From: Joe Eugene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: RE: Comparing Oracle with UV Trevor, I will try to do this ANALYZE.FILE STATS sometime tomorrow. Again... Nobody here has come up with any real proof of any clear testing results...other than just sending out useless random emails. I provided the exact details on my testing, can you do me a BIG Favor. Do you have any UV DataBase that Contains around 20 Million Records? Can you do a CASE IN-SENSITIVE Search against ONE Field in UV FILE/TABLE and post the real time average results? I belive the syntax UV uses for WILD CARD Search is ] I simply cannot even come with a Seconds Timing againt less than 1 Million Records in MS-SQL Server with NO Indexes, which proves very good performance. I have never seen this Kinda Good Performance in any UV Programs/Against any UV Files within UV/PICK/BASIC. Thanks, Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trevor Ockenden Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Comparing Oracle with UV Joe As this comparison is still raging why don't you do the ANALYZE.FILE STATS for us and post the results as my experience has shown that 9 times out of 10 performance is related to file sizing. A fundamental element of setting up any database. Note, we all stand to learn something here. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals M: +61 414 731 634 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Data typing in MV Basic
Will, I stand corrected on that one. So far in 20 odd years of programming in MV I haven't needed to worry about it. Now Will raises a terrific question. If A = 1 assigns 1 as numeric. How would you determine if A contained a numeric or a string in this case? My short answer is - why would I need to know? BUT I'm sure somebody has a good answer to that one. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic In a message dated 3/30/2004 8:19:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A = 1 assigns a numeric integer. The expression need not contain operators (+,-,etc) to be numeric. A = 1 assigns a string however, as you have explicitly declared it to be string. A = 1 + 2 assigns a numeric integer value (3) as the result is numeric. A = one + 2 assigns a zero - according to the error message. yes no yes yes they all assign numerics imho 1 is cast as a numeric because the system is smart enough to realize its a numeric string and has no purpose casting it as a string Any idea how to test which it is? Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Dennis Bartlett agrees that: Dennis Bartlett wrote: All that subscribing to a forum And that Dennis Bartlett was obviously smoking out of some BEEG pot resulting in the fact that Dennis Bartlett is truly soree errr.. oops -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
He's doing a SCO ... when you give him any facts he just repeats his baseless assertions :-) Yes we know a screwdriver is far better and newer technology, but that still doesn't mean it beats a hammer for driving nails :-) (Well, it does if you're too dumb to learn how to use a hammer, but that's another topic ...) Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: 30 March 2004 23:37 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Then perhaps you should take your own advice and HIT DELETE -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [unsightly rubbish snipped] IF you feel my comments are without SUBSTANCE... WHY NOT ARGUE BACK with some Valid Proof... Instead of start Calling People Names... like school kids! Yes, it is only Normal when People Fail or Run out of Arguments... they start making Personal Remarks... This Denotes their FAILURE! Joe Eugene -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Data typing in MV Basic
Mats Carlid wrote: Trevor Ockenden wrote: Will, I stand corrected on that one. So far in 20 odd years of programming in MV I haven't needed to worry about it. Neither have I . Now Will raises a terrific question. If A = 1 assigns 1 as numeric. How would you determine if A contained a numeric or a string in this case? Piece of cake . Write a program with the statements in it and step through it in the debugger. Result shows clearly that A = 1 now A is reported as INTEGER 1 A = 1 now A ir reported as: T r L=1 '1' ( it looked as if the cut and paste had worked but when the mail came back the string answer was gone - som much for WYSIWYG mailers ) ( used uv10.0.1 for teh test) -- mats -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Data typing in MV Basic
You've missed the point! :-) These two statements apparently have exactly the same effect - the question is do they? A = 1 A = 1 (In the stuff I'm writing, they'd be the same - everything is a string until it is forced into numeric.) Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Garratt Sent: 31 March 2004 07:39 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic Would this not be set by your initialisation of the variable A. eg A = '';*Alpha/Numeric or String A = 0 ; Numeric - Original Message - From: Trevor Ockenden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U2 Users Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic Will, I stand corrected on that one. So far in 20 odd years of programming in MV I haven't needed to worry about it. Now Will raises a terrific question. If A = 1 assigns 1 as numeric. How would you determine if A contained a numeric or a string in this case? My short answer is - why would I need to know? BUT I'm sure somebody has a good answer to that one. Cheers Trevor Ockenden Open Systems Professionals - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Data typing in MV Basic In a message dated 3/30/2004 8:19:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A = 1 assigns a numeric integer. The expression need not contain operators (+,-,etc) to be numeric. A = 1 assigns a string however, as you have explicitly declared it to be string. A = 1 + 2 assigns a numeric integer value (3) as the result is numeric. A = one + 2 assigns a zero - according to the error message. yes no yes yes they all assign numerics imho 1 is cast as a numeric because the system is smart enough to realize its a numeric string and has no purpose casting it as a string Any idea how to test which it is? Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing ** adulation to Clif ***
Clif, Like others I've selfishly used your lists for my gain, without thinking of the work involved. Like others,I've learnt so much, and probably given so little. Like others, I've flamed, been flamed, and duly reprimanded in such a loving way :) Like others, I've been awed at a 400 message inbox and loved picking through, grouping and storing Like others, I've been enraged self-righteous when others didn't understand Like others, I've had a life apart from the daily grind called oliver.com, home from home. Like others, I'm really grateful, all these things provided by you alone Like others, all I have are paltry thanks for what must have cost you much Thanks seem insufficient, yet they're all I have. I could not have done what you did, Dennis saddened by this bartlett -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Volunteer Board
The number of after-the fact non-volunteers pointing out what we *should* have done is always staggering... I think what you've done is excellent. I think that the who comparison thang came about as a result of the imminent demise of the oliver thing... Volunteer? No problem, only I wonder if - what I know - where I live - the currency I use would be of any use to you... -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
So there Will Johnson Ha Will! So nice to see you're wearing a new style... Must say it really suits you... -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Re Text File to PDF
Troy Buss wrote Otherwise its back to pcl2pdf ( www.visual.co.uk/pcl2pdf.html ) and blat for this other project I'm working on. Hey Troy, long time bud. Hope all is well. I have code here that I haven't had time to fully productize it yet. Very simply you populate a variable with substitution strings, and pass it to a routine that generates an HTML page, PDF, or PostScript. It's all clean BASIC code, there's no funky printer/device-specific escape sequences (PCL or PS) and you can change the report layout independently from the app code. Using a similar set vars and call a subroutine interface, you can also e-mail the resulting files - no SendMail, Outlook, or other mail client or server code required. All of this will work over Windows or Linux (Blat is great but it doesn't work over Linux). I'll be porting this to U2 within the next couple weeks. So far there is one happy client that's been using it over D3 for several months. I think they'll provide a good reference if asked. Regards, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
