subject:"\[videoblogging\] Re\: veoh"

 I have to say that Dmitri has always been really friendly and nice, across
many interactions over many years, and today of all days I want to wish him
and everyone who worked at Veoh well.
 I actually think about everyone in our Web video world all those years ago
as being somewhat of a pioneer.

I never met Dmitri or had any interaction with him. Veoh did give a couple
small sponsorships at Vloggercon and Pixelodeon. I certainly dont wish ill
will towards anyone. Ive made too many mistakes in my short life to enjoy
other people's failure.

But it interesting to see how things are playing out. Techcrunch had a
relevant article today:
http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/12/online-video-vcs-wrong/

Were still in the early days of online video content and history is
 repeating itself.  The film industry initially recreated theater and added a
 camera to record plays; early TV recreated radio and added a camera as
 well.  Online video content has much room for improvement, but what is
 missing is the kind of investment required to create compelling content.
  VCs keep throwing out cliché after cliché and just show their lack of
 understanding of that fact. Sure, some of the aggregators such as Veoh did
 scale quickly but it wasnt all that defensive.  Despite all of this, VCs
 seem to be making all of the same mistakes over and over again: investing in
 the technology and not in the content.


This is something we've all spoken about at length. There's plenty of money
for technology and ZERO money for creators. Advertising is something to
watch but there's a HUGE gap between making a video series and bootstrapping
its popularity long enough where you might make some money to survive.

I also like the mantra: the web is not TV. Ill be sad if all this work
just leads to HULU, or another place where you can watch LOST episodes.

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

2010-02-12 Thread elbowsofdeath

There is a rich spectrum of problems in this area and I dont see any signs that 
any have improved since we first talked about these issues years ago.

Problems such as:

Creating compelling content
Getting an audience large enough to monetize in any meaningful way
Lack of promotion capabilities compared to traditional mass media
People used to getting everything on the net for free
Advertisers being paranoid about content thats not created by the safe 
traditional producers
Excessive number of tv channels straining everything from availability of 
talent to capacity to tread on new territory to viewers attention spam to 
potential audience reach.
Lack of businesses that sell products or services to the same audience as the 
show may attract actually realising that they should be throwing money at peole 
to produce content for them
Failure of most first generation vlog-stars to capitalise on their early 
success and thus be a shining example which would encourage the next generation
Failure of creative people to have enough of a shared vision with eachother and 
ability to collaborate on something special over a sustained period without 
falling out
Failure of other types of people who could do the business  promotion side to 
find happy partnerships with creators
Failure to take advantage of the global aspect of web video in many interesting 
ways

As a viewer I remain pissed off that when I go looking for regular compelling 
content I suaully find magazine-format programs that dont float my boat for 
reasons of my age, the pace of the show, or cultural incompatibilities (eg I 
like Americans but where the hell are the British shows not made by existing 
media personalities?)

Please can someone cheer me up by posting a few links to some content that 
there is a chance I might like (it doesnt need to be British, anything but the 
magazine format stuff will do).

Here is my random offering of youtube content Ive found strangely compelling in 
recent years:

Doctor of Mind MD:

http://www.youtube.com/user/DOCTOROFMINDMD

Cheers and no offence intended to anyone that makes content - I was always on 
dicey ground when sharing these thoughts in the past due to my own lack of 
producing any meaningful video on the web but hey ho.

Steve Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote:

 This is something we've all spoken about at length. There's plenty of money
 for technology and ZERO money for creators. Advertising is something to
 watch but there's a HUGE gap between making a video series and bootstrapping
 its popularity long enough where you might make some money to survive.
 
 I also like the mantra: the web is not TV. Ill be sad if all this work
 just leads to HULU, or another place where you can watch LOST episodes.
 
 Jay

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

 As a viewer I remain pissed off that when I go looking for regular compelling 
 content I usually find magazine-format programs that dont float my boat for 
 reasons of my age, the pace of the show, or cultural incompatibilities (eg I 
 like Americans but where the hell are the British shows not made by existing 
 media personalities?)
 Please can someone cheer me up by posting a few links to some content that 
 there is a chance I might like (it doesnt need to be British, anything but 
 the magazine format stuff will do).

All excuses aside, I agree with Eric Mortensen of blip.tv who just
tweeted (https://twitter.com/ericmortensen) about creators having no
excuses to not do their thing. Ultimately, creators have always been
behind the ball and must sacrifice to prove their worth. This reality
wont go away just because we have shiny computers.

I just find it funny that VC's have wasted hundreds of millions on
technology solutions to video. It's become extremely clear that it's
not the problem we need solved.

Jay

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

2010-02-12 Thread Bohuš

elbowsofdeath wrote:
 There is a rich spectrum of problems in this area and I dont see any signs 
 that any have improved since we first talked about these issues years ago.

I'm decloaking to roundly agree with you. I've been in discussions with 
several local TV broadcasters here in Chicago who desperately want to be 
on the web, but are completely befuddled by how to do it. Not the 
technical aspect, of course, but how to create compelling content that's 
not just a clip from their morning news. They are so deeply entrenched 
in how TV has worked, that they don't get the more personal and informal 
aspects of web video... which is strange. Our style of TV in the early 
days of broadcast is referred to as The Chicago School of Television, 
and we pioneered the casual feel that TV thrives on.  That was back in 
the 50's of course.  I guess those hard won lessons are forgotten.

All I can say is that along the way I've met a number of people within 
those companies who genuinely get it. The difficulties are finding a way 
to explain to management why this is beneficial, how to monetize it, and 
how to retain control of the content. Many of your management types are 
reluctant to go to the web because they see it as competition for their 
TV channels. Don't forget that these guys are really accustomed to 
things working the way they have for some 50 years. Promising a sponsor 
or even an individual that they'll be on TV doesn't carry that much 
weight anymore, when they can do it themselves at home.

I did just get a couple phone calls today about possible future work for 
one of my favorite TV stations in Chicago creating web content. We'll 
see if it comes true, and whether i can create a hybrid that embraces 
the honesty and fun of internet video, and still meet the goals of a 
commercial station.  I'll let you guys know if/when it happens. It will 
be very much a one-man-band scenario... just under the umbrella of an 
established broadaster.



 Cheers and no offence intended to anyone that makes content - I was always on 
 dicey ground when sharing these thoughts in the past due to my own lack of 
 producing any meaningful video on the web but hey ho.
   

When I was a teacher of film  television, one of the first things I 
would impart to students is that they've spent their whole lives being 
an audience to many many different kinds of media. That's a huge 
qualification for having an opinion. Not that it's always right, but 
that's how opinions usually work.  ;)

The other thing I told my students was that if they didn't remember 
anything else from my class, they should remember that they're creating 
work FOR an audience, not IN SPITE OF and audience.  if you're trying to 
say something, and no one in your audience gets it, that's the 
filmmaker's fault not the audience's.

Oh, and if it's any consolation... I've barely made anything that's 
online either.  ;)

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

2010-02-12 Thread elbowsofdeath

Do you think its safe to try discussing the creation aspect, now that there are 
presumably less people participating here, and there is no longer a danger of 
urinating on the newborn flames of vlog hope where everything seemed possible 
because that time has long passed?

I'll pick one vital aspect for many kinds of video: the need to be 
entertaining. Its not easy, some peole by way of their personality or prior 
experience can be consistently entertaining but even then its hard to keep 
coming up with new material or the right subjects or format. Also if they can 
already harness their entertaining skills to make some money via means other 
than video on the web, why bother?

Historical example of the strains of coming up with new material: If you are a 
comic and you tour around the country then you can make material last for years 
that would not last very long on television. So whilst some comics for various 
reasons are able to harness TV to their advantage, it has also been responsible 
for the premature burnout of others.

I suppose one of the reasons Ive always liked non-commercial personal vlogs is 
that many people can be entertaining in ways that are not 'larger-than-life' 
that showbiz requires, that are just the same as the ways normal people have 
entertained eachother on a close personal level since time immemorial. But we 
have been somewhat spoilt by everything from talented geniuses at their prime 
creating brilliance, to huge personalities, epic tales and great actors and it 
remains very unclear to me if there is much more of that to go around. Are we 
just not fostering it and giving it room to grow in people, or is such 
potential actually rare?

I admit I was hoping more would come from the partial removal of 'cocaine 
decisions' from the creative world but hopefully Ive just been barking up the 
wrong tree and some great things will happen one day or great things that are 
already happening will be recognised as such by me and others.

Cheers

Steve Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jay dedman jay.ded...@... wrote:

 All excuses aside, I agree with Eric Mortensen of blip.tv who just
 tweeted (https://twitter.com/ericmortensen) about creators having no
 excuses to not do their thing. Ultimately, creators have always been
 behind the ball and must sacrifice to prove their worth. This reality
 wont go away just because we have shiny computers.
 
 I just find it funny that VC's have wasted hundreds of millions on
 technology solutions to video. It's become extremely clear that it's
 not the problem we need solved.
 
 Jay
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

 I suppose one of the reasons Ive always liked non-commercial personal vlogs 
 is that many people can be entertaining in ways that are not 
 'larger-than-life' that showbiz requires, that are just the same as the ways 
 normal people have entertained eachother on a close personal level since time 
 immemorial. But we have been somewhat spoilt by everything from talented 
 geniuses at their prime creating brilliance, to huge personalities, epic 
 tales and great actors and it remains very unclear to me if there is much 
 more of that to go around. Are we just not fostering it and giving it room to 
 grow in people, or is such potential actually rare?
 I admit I was hoping more would come from the partial removal of 'cocaine 
 decisions' from the creative world but hopefully Ive just been barking up the 
 wrong tree and some great things will happen one day or great things that are 
 already happening will be recognised as such by me and others.

I love that: cocaine decisions. Frank Zappa lives.

I think we got to remember how young all this stuff is. Five years is
not an eternity even in internet time. I feel lots of great things
have happened. Lots of experimentation, business plans, failed
business plans, amazing technology, shitty technology. At least 75% of
the video I watch is now made by random people around the world. Most
of that is NOT a show format. I also am more drawn to the
personal/eyewitness video that get passed around in links.

For instance, here's a link I just watched:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss68YWoihqs
A man smashes 29 TV's in a Walmart.
Much more fun than a 3-minute show on what's happening at MacWorld
(for me that is).

The web is not TV. That's the mantra. It probably makes sense to copy
TV formats now in this transitional periodbut in 10 years, I think
popular online content won't be what we think of shows now.

I'm still super psyched that it's all cracked open. We still got to
create on pure energy as all artists before us. As David Cross says:
Shut up you fucking baby!

Jay

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

 Do you think its safe to try discussing the creation aspect, now that there 
 are presumably less people participating here, and there is no longer a 
 danger of urinating on the newborn flames of vlog hope where everything 
 seemed possible because that time has long passed?

My friend, David, coincidentally wrote a relevant post today about
creators developing fans and finding alternative means of funding:
http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2010/02/11/the-creative-class-and-crowdfunding/
It's not specific about video and riffs on the 1000 True Fans
theory, but still interesting to see how things are evolving.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

2010-02-12 Thread Michael Sullivan

i dont think their is much getting around the fact that making good money
with web video 'shows' is extremely difficult and frustrating.
in a sense, technology advancements have helped and hindered. accessible
tech equates to enormous competition, redundancy and noise. imagine if
rocketboom launched today instead of in 2005ish.

this is not to say that good independently produced content is rare.  its
just a really hard business as far as i can tell and why i never took the
business of web video seriously.  i knew that a few video tech services
would succeed (i.e youtube) while most would fail.
and of course some shows would have some meaningful success while most
others would fizzle or at least reformat with subsequent attempts.  its easy
to try out ideas and fail rapidly and reinvent etc etc.

in many cases, success will come with the sacrifice of making video that you
dont really want to make as a creative.  way back when, i made some cash
doing wedding videos and shit like that but hated it.
but if i wanted to make any money at all with video making, i'd have to
consider such work their are various needs for video footage these days
as its basically like a commodity.  so you can find work but its more taking
video as opposed to making video.  and i've never been very interested in
that dilution.  thats just me (when it comes to video). if i was able to
take significant time off and had some decent money and trustful talented
people to collaborate with, i would love to make a 'film'.  but we all know
how difficult that is too.

their is always hope.  but typically the best way to have fun making video
is to keep it a hobby.
that hobby can generate a portfolio for you that could land you some
interesting work one day.
or at least you have some stuff to show the grandkids to repeat what our
recent ancestors also used video for.  video time capsules.


On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jay dedman jay.ded...@gmail.com wrote:



  Do you think its safe to try discussing the creation aspect, now that
 there are presumably less people participating here, and there is no longer
 a danger of urinating on the newborn flames of vlog hope where everything
 seemed possible because that time has long passed?

 My friend, David, coincidentally wrote a relevant post today about
 creators developing fans and finding alternative means of funding:

 http://el-oso.net/blog/archives/2010/02/11/the-creative-class-and-crowdfunding/
 It's not specific about video and riffs on the 1000 True Fans
 theory, but still interesting to see how things are evolving.


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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

2010-02-11 Thread elbowsofdeath

Oh. I expected more web video companies to go bust more quickly than has 
actually been the case, so in some ways I am surprised it took this long for 
another well-known player to fail.

Ive read at least one article that suggests the Universal Music lawsuit was the 
main factor that killed them (even though they won that case in the end it 
harmed them). Im sure that was a big factor but not sure it is quite that 
simple. For a start Veoh was all about being a use for their peer2peer 
technology, but the success of in-browser video viewing forced them to change 
their approach. Then youtube came to dominate and got deep pockets via Google, 
presumably making success in this sector much tougher for youtubes rivals. Veoh 
tried various other strategies such as working more with traditional media 
companies content, and cutting off access from large parts of the world, but it 
seems despite plenty of attempts to change it did not pay off.

One of many lessons to be learnt is that people can be funny about installing 
things, thus spoiling Veohs original plan and the main advantage they thought 
they had, their peer2peer technology. Although I probably had doubts about this 
at the time and probably expressed them here, it was not easy to be sure at the 
time - when the vlogging thing first started to catch on it wasnt clear how we 
would be paying for bandwidth for our videos once a lot of peole started 
watching them, there werent any youtubes or blips, flash hadnt yet come to 
become the grand enabler of in-browser video that it is today, heck we didnt 
even realise how much video would remain in browser rather than being offline 
aggregated via feeds  apps.

Was Veoh one of the companies that earned the wrath of this group once upon a 
time and their founder appeared and went some way towards trying to rectify 
whatever it was that made us upset?

I'll store a tear for Veoh in the same jar as DivX's failed attempts to become 
a great web video standard and host, and whatever the other video big video 
host that went bust a while ago was - jeepers I cant even remember its name.

Cheers

Steve Elbows
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

2010-02-11 Thread elbowsofdeath

By the way their website is still up as I write this, although when poking 
around I note they havnt put a new press-release on their site since December 
2008.

Did some brief trawling through the archives of this group circa 2005-2006 and 
saw one reason why I remember Veoh - Their founder was active here when they 
started, and the Halycon bloke with pink hair rather overpromoted them on this 
group from time to time.

At least this company actually had some technology of their own that made them 
a bit different - it didnt work out for multiple reasons but never mind. Too 
crude to draw the conclusion that it seems hard for many people to make 
profitable use of peer2peer stuff?

Cheers

Steve Elbows

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh is dead

2010-02-11 Thread Jay dedman

 Did some brief trawling through the archives of this group circa 2005-2006 
 and saw one reason why I remember Veoh - Their founder was active here when 
 they started, and the Halycon bloke with pink hair rather overpromoted them 
 on this group from time to time.

Those were the days when you could literally watch almost every video
posted each day. It was in the hundreds. Veoh decided to import,
transcode, and reupload everyone's videos to Veoh one night. I bet it
was before a funding meeting so they wanted to show how popular they
were. Dmitry came on the list and made peace by deleting all the
videos they imported.

It was this incident that had a group of us create this best
practices for hosting sites:
http://videoblogginggroup.pbworks.com/Best+Practices+for+Aggregation+Sites

I dont see sites do this anymore (reuploading people's videos). Maybe
Im not just aware of it.

Jay

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh Playing Nice?

2007-01-23 Thread ~ FluxRostrum

They just featured mine, a one day Spotlight on the front page.
free plugs good

They've been very responsive to me, generally lack the tools we need; but 
they're new channel pages are very nice, can't say much for the traffic though.

http://www.veoh.com/channels/fluxviewusa

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 Date: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:51 pm ((PST))

I continue to have good experiences and get quick response whenever I make
suggestions/have concerns.

2 cents
-Halcyon
pinkbroadcasting.com

On 1/22/07, johnleeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I've recently been contacted by a person from Veoh, saying they'd like
 to feature my videos at their site.

 Considering the Veoh brouhaha a while back it seems nice that an
 actual person is actually asking.

 Has anyone had some recent Veoh experiences they would like to relate?

 Is Veoh playing nice these days? Or, should I stay in my own
 neighborhood and play with my old regulars?

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh Playing Nice?

2007-01-23 Thread Steve Watkins

Eh? Whats this thread got to do with bip.tv or discussion of everyday
technical problems?

I thought it was about Veoh, and the fact that halycon doesnt always
put the stuff that he mentioned once, about being friendly with their
CEO, in messages where he praises Veoh. 

It didnt really seem relevent to me who pointed that out, I would of
done so if Mike hadnt.

I dont use blip, but Ive never felt like this group was turing into a
blip support forum, sometimes technical issues seem to get discussed
here, usually by other people asking here, and a lot of the
discussions Mike has here are about more general, almost
philosophical, issues about hosting services in general. I would agree
that this list shouldnt turn into a blip support forum, but like I
said Ive sensed no danger of this even vaguely happening so am
confused by your message.

Cheers

Steve Elbows 
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, andrew michael baron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know a lot of people here use blip and I love you guys for that
but still, its only a tiny fraction of this list. 
 
 It would be great to see all of the everyday technical problems with
service discussed on your website instead of this one. 
 
 Thanks for the consideration,
 Drew
 
 Sent via CrackBerry  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:36:33 
 To:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Veoh Playing Nice?
 
 And you work for or worked for them and are good friends with their
CEO. 
  
  
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yahoogroups.com videoblogging@:
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  To: videoblogging@: mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com videoblogging@:
mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tue Jan 23 00:46:03 2007 
  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Veoh Playing Nice? 
  
  I continue to have good experiences and get quick response whenever
I make 
  suggestions/have concerns. 
  
  2 cents 
  -Halcyon 
  pinkbroadcasting.com 
  
  On 1/22/07, johnleeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
mailto:johnleeke%40historichomeworks.com omeworks.com wrote: 
   
   I've recently been contacted by a person from Veoh, saying they'd
like 
   to feature my videos at their site. 
   
   Considering the Veoh brouhaha a while back it seems nice that an 
   actual person is actually asking. 
   
   Has anyone had some recent Veoh experiences they would like to
relate? 
   
   Is Veoh playing nice these days? Or, should I stay in my own 
   neighborhood and play with my old regulars? 
   
   John Leeke 
   by hammer and hand great works do stand 
   by cam and light he shoots it right 
   
   
   
  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh Playing Nice?

2007-01-23 Thread jm_rl_allard

Well, I'm definitely biased, but I can tell you firsthand as a
videoblogger and a Veoh employee, this is a good company. They truly
do have the publishers in mind whenever decisions are made.

Please let me know if I can help in any way.

Sunny Gault
Viral Producer/Host
Veoh Networks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Halcyon  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I continue to have good experiences and get quick response whenever
I make
 suggestions/have concerns.
 
 2 cents
 -Halcyon
 pinkbroadcasting.com
 
 On 1/22/07, johnleeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
I've recently been contacted by a person from Veoh, saying
they'd like
  to feature my videos at their site.
 
  Considering the Veoh brouhaha a while back it seems nice that an
  actual person is actually asking.
 
  Has anyone had some recent Veoh experiences they would like to relate?
 
  Is Veoh playing nice these days? Or, should I stay in my own
  neighborhood and play with my old regulars?
 
  John Leeke
  by hammer and hand great works do stand
  by cam and light he shoots it right
 
   
 
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh: Reinventing Television

2006-12-06 Thread Nox Dineen

Thanks Sunny. I couldn't actually save the changes after deleting the RSS
address, I got an error message about the feed being invalid (as a
non-existent feed would be, I suppose). I just deleted the entire series.

Nox


On 12/5/06, Sunny Gault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Nox..

 I spoke with our director of product development, I'm told you can
 edit your series and physically remove the RSS URL. That should do the
 trick.

 If this doesn't make sense or you have additional questions, please
 let me know.

 Thanks, Sunny

 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Sunny Gault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey Nox...
 
  Let me check with engineering. We are currently moving our data center
  which may have thrown off our response time. We'll figure this out and
  I'll get back with you ASAP. Thanks for the post!
 
  Sunny
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com,
 Nox Dineen nox.groups@ wrote:
  
   What are the odds?! I just logged into my email account to post a
  question
   about Veoh, hopefully you can help.
  
   I turned on the feature that allows Veoh to collect videos from my
  RSS feed
   and post them, and I want to turn it off. I have emailed support
 several
   times without receiving a reply, combed the FAQ and user panel, and
  I can't
   figure out how to get Veoh to *stop* collecting my videos.
  
   Thanks,
   Nox
  
  
   On 12/4/06, viraltheshow viral@ wrote:
   
Hey all! I'm new to the Yahoo Videoblogging Group- just found out
about it a few weeks ago such a great resource! I've seen several
posts recently about Veoh Networks and, since I work for the
 company,
I thought I'd give you an inside look at who we are and what we're
trying to accomplish.
   
First- just a little bit about myself. I don't come from a corporate
background; my background is in television news. I left that
 business
because it lacked the creative freedom I needed. About a year ago I
started doing independent projects where I had complete control
 of the
content and production quality. Then, this past summer, I discovered
videoblogging. This literally changed everything for me. Finally, a
way for creators to show their projects as they originally intended-
without editors or news directors getting in the way! I was
 instantly
hooked and started a daily videoblog that I taped out of my backyard
called Anchor in PJs- where I talked about silly news headlines in
my pajamas (episodes are still available at Veoh.comhttp://veoh.com/
  http://veoh.com/).
   
I discovered Veoh after videoblogging for about two months. I
 emailed
Veoh and told them about my show. Less than 24 hours later, I was
sitting in their office answering questions about how they could
better serve people producing content for the internet. A couple
 weeks
later, they offered me a job as their Publisher Advocate. At the
same time, I was talking with a couple other video sharing sites
 about
a possible partnership. So, I had to seriously consider my
 options. I
was determined to go with the company that I felt had the most to
offer creators. I chose Veoh.
   
It's no secret, Veoh isn't the first pretty girl at the party.
Videobloggers already have a list of preferred sites and new video
sharing sites are popping up everyday. It's been a challenge to
differentiate our company from everyone else. Our official marketing
statement is this We provide the easiest way for high-quality video
creators to find their audience online. So what exactly does that
mean? It means we're not YouTube and were not just a video sharing
site. We believe there are a large group of creators out there that
don't fit what mainstream media is currently looking for. We
 provide a
place for those creators on all ends of the spectrum to showcase
 their
work. Everything from network pilot shows who never had a chance to
air their full season - to cooking shows your Aunt Gertrude produces
as part of her videoblog. We're reinventing television by
 eliminating
the filters behind mainstream media. We give you the platform
 and you
produce the product.
   
By focusing our product toward creators, Veoh is poising itself to
become a very successful company. Veoh has an incredible staff
 (truly
the best of the best in television, marketing and engineering) with
nearly 50 employees in offices such as San Diego, Los Angeles
 and St.
Petersburg, Russia. Just having investors such as Michael Eisner
(former CEO of Disney) and Time Warner proves that we have a great
product and a bright future. Having said that, people don't usually
become successful without making a few mistakes along the way. The
important thing is you learn from your mistakes and you don't make
them again. The truth is, I don't know what mistakes Veoh has
 made in

[videoblogging] Re: Veoh: Reinventing Television

2006-12-05 Thread Sunny Gault

Nox..

I spoke with our director of product development, I'm told you can
edit your series and physically remove the RSS URL. That should do the
trick.

If this doesn't make sense or you have additional questions, please
let me know.

Thanks, Sunny

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Sunny Gault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Nox...
 
 Let me check with engineering. We are currently moving our data center
 which may have thrown off our response time. We'll figure this out and
 I'll get back with you ASAP. Thanks for the post!
 
 Sunny
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Nox Dineen nox.groups@ wrote:
 
  What are the odds?! I just logged into my email account to post a
 question
  about Veoh, hopefully you can help.
  
  I turned on the feature that allows Veoh to collect videos from my
 RSS feed
  and post them, and I want to turn it off. I have emailed support
several
  times without receiving a reply, combed the FAQ and user panel, and
 I can't
  figure out how to get Veoh to *stop* collecting my videos.
  
  Thanks,
  Nox
  
  
  On 12/4/06, viraltheshow viral@ wrote:
  
 Hey all! I'm new to the Yahoo Videoblogging Group- just found out
   about it a few weeks ago such a great resource! I've seen several
   posts recently about Veoh Networks and, since I work for the
company,
   I thought I'd give you an inside look at who we are and what we're
   trying to accomplish.
  
   First- just a little bit about myself. I don't come from a corporate
   background; my background is in television news. I left that
business
   because it lacked the creative freedom I needed. About a year ago I
   started doing independent projects where I had complete control
of the
   content and production quality. Then, this past summer, I discovered
   videoblogging. This literally changed everything for me. Finally, a
   way for creators to show their projects as they originally intended-
   without editors or news directors getting in the way! I was
instantly
   hooked and started a daily videoblog that I taped out of my backyard
   called Anchor in PJs- where I talked about silly news headlines in
   my pajamas (episodes are still available at Veoh.com
 http://veoh.com/).
  
   I discovered Veoh after videoblogging for about two months. I
emailed
   Veoh and told them about my show. Less than 24 hours later, I was
   sitting in their office answering questions about how they could
   better serve people producing content for the internet. A couple
weeks
   later, they offered me a job as their Publisher Advocate. At the
   same time, I was talking with a couple other video sharing sites
about
   a possible partnership. So, I had to seriously consider my
options. I
   was determined to go with the company that I felt had the most to
   offer creators. I chose Veoh.
  
   It's no secret, Veoh isn't the first pretty girl at the party.
   Videobloggers already have a list of preferred sites and new video
   sharing sites are popping up everyday. It's been a challenge to
   differentiate our company from everyone else. Our official marketing
   statement is this We provide the easiest way for high-quality video
   creators to find their audience online. So what exactly does that
   mean? It means we're not YouTube and were not just a video sharing
   site. We believe there are a large group of creators out there that
   don't fit what mainstream media is currently looking for. We
provide a
   place for those creators on all ends of the spectrum to showcase
their
   work. Everything from network pilot shows who never had a chance to
   air their full season - to cooking shows your Aunt Gertrude produces
   as part of her videoblog. We're reinventing television by
eliminating
   the filters behind mainstream media. We give you the platform
and you
   produce the product.
  
   By focusing our product toward creators, Veoh is poising itself to
   become a very successful company. Veoh has an incredible staff
(truly
   the best of the best in television, marketing and engineering) with
   nearly 50 employees in offices such as San Diego, Los Angeles
and St.
   Petersburg, Russia. Just having investors such as Michael Eisner
   (former CEO of Disney) and Time Warner proves that we have a great
   product and a bright future. Having said that, people don't usually
   become successful without making a few mistakes along the way. The
   important thing is you learn from your mistakes and you don't make
   them again. The truth is, I don't know what mistakes Veoh has
made in
   the past, but I do know they're making every effort to build this
   company and network the right way. As Publisher Advocate, it's
my job
   to ensure those mistakes aren't made in the future.
  
   I've been involved in media all my life. Nothing has given me more
   satisfaction than working with Veoh to help publishers succeed in a
   new and evolving medium. I absolutely love my job. That's the honest
   truth- there is no smoke and mirrors.

[videoblogging] Re: Veoh: Reinventing Television

2006-12-04 Thread Sunny Gault

Hey Nox...

Let me check with engineering. We are currently moving our data center
which may have thrown off our response time. We'll figure this out and
I'll get back with you ASAP. Thanks for the post!

Sunny

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Nox Dineen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What are the odds?! I just logged into my email account to post a
question
 about Veoh, hopefully you can help.
 
 I turned on the feature that allows Veoh to collect videos from my
RSS feed
 and post them, and I want to turn it off. I have emailed support several
 times without receiving a reply, combed the FAQ and user panel, and
I can't
 figure out how to get Veoh to *stop* collecting my videos.
 
 Thanks,
 Nox
 
 
 On 12/4/06, viraltheshow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Hey all! I'm new to the Yahoo Videoblogging Group- just found out
  about it a few weeks ago such a great resource! I've seen several
  posts recently about Veoh Networks and, since I work for the company,
  I thought I'd give you an inside look at who we are and what we're
  trying to accomplish.
 
  First- just a little bit about myself. I don't come from a corporate
  background; my background is in television news. I left that business
  because it lacked the creative freedom I needed. About a year ago I
  started doing independent projects where I had complete control of the
  content and production quality. Then, this past summer, I discovered
  videoblogging. This literally changed everything for me. Finally, a
  way for creators to show their projects as they originally intended-
  without editors or news directors getting in the way! I was instantly
  hooked and started a daily videoblog that I taped out of my backyard
  called Anchor in PJs- where I talked about silly news headlines in
  my pajamas (episodes are still available at Veoh.com
http://veoh.com/).
 
  I discovered Veoh after videoblogging for about two months. I emailed
  Veoh and told them about my show. Less than 24 hours later, I was
  sitting in their office answering questions about how they could
  better serve people producing content for the internet. A couple weeks
  later, they offered me a job as their Publisher Advocate. At the
  same time, I was talking with a couple other video sharing sites about
  a possible partnership. So, I had to seriously consider my options. I
  was determined to go with the company that I felt had the most to
  offer creators. I chose Veoh.
 
  It's no secret, Veoh isn't the first pretty girl at the party.
  Videobloggers already have a list of preferred sites and new video
  sharing sites are popping up everyday. It's been a challenge to
  differentiate our company from everyone else. Our official marketing
  statement is this We provide the easiest way for high-quality video
  creators to find their audience online. So what exactly does that
  mean? It means we're not YouTube and were not just a video sharing
  site. We believe there are a large group of creators out there that
  don't fit what mainstream media is currently looking for. We provide a
  place for those creators on all ends of the spectrum to showcase their
  work. Everything from network pilot shows who never had a chance to
  air their full season - to cooking shows your Aunt Gertrude produces
  as part of her videoblog. We're reinventing television by eliminating
  the filters behind mainstream media. We give you the platform and you
  produce the product.
 
  By focusing our product toward creators, Veoh is poising itself to
  become a very successful company. Veoh has an incredible staff (truly
  the best of the best in television, marketing and engineering) with
  nearly 50 employees in offices such as San Diego, Los Angeles and St.
  Petersburg, Russia. Just having investors such as Michael Eisner
  (former CEO of Disney) and Time Warner proves that we have a great
  product and a bright future. Having said that, people don't usually
  become successful without making a few mistakes along the way. The
  important thing is you learn from your mistakes and you don't make
  them again. The truth is, I don't know what mistakes Veoh has made in
  the past, but I do know they're making every effort to build this
  company and network the right way. As Publisher Advocate, it's my job
  to ensure those mistakes aren't made in the future.
 
  I've been involved in media all my life. Nothing has given me more
  satisfaction than working with Veoh to help publishers succeed in a
  new and evolving medium. I absolutely love my job. That's the honest
  truth- there is no smoke and mirrors. Please contact me and let me
  know what I can do to help you succeed. We'll do everything we can to
  make it happen.
 
  Sunny Gault
  Publisher Advocate
  Veoh Networks
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] sgault%40veoh.com
 
  
 
 
 
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh article

2006-04-24 Thread Susan




Would that be the RAD vlog, I wonder...

Susan
http://vlog.kitykity.com


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was just going through a few links and stumbled across a Veoh 
 interview (from earlier this year) where they talk about editorial and 
 advertising. The quote really jumped out at me, I can't put my finger 
 on exactly why.
 
 Here's a quote and below is the link to the full article;
 
 Sometimes those recommendations will be videos. But sometimes they 
 will be advertisements. And if Dunning's crazy math works like it is 
 supposed to, you might not even know the difference between the two. 
 We look at advertising as content, says Shapiro. Targetted 
 advertising is potent content. As an example, he shows me a clip of 
 a videoblogger driving around in a Porsche in Germany. It is not an 
 ad, but it might as well be one. What if, suggests Shapiro, there were 
 a Porsche logo in the corner that said more info available. And if 
 you click it, you get several options, such as download a four-minute 
 infomercial or longer, official Porsche driving videos for later 
 viewing, or watch them now, or send an e-mail to yourself with a link 
 to a Porche Website. 
 
 http://business2.blogs.com/business2blog/2006/02/scoop_veoh_take.html
 
 Maybe if I were there at the presentation and had seen their Porsche 
 video I would have appreciated their comments better. I wonder if other 
 aggregators are considering similar strategies.
 
 
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 r
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh article

2006-04-22 Thread David Howell




My content had been there for 4 months. Not a week or two.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 As I recall it, the hoo-ha over Veoh's hijacking people's content
 happened about a week before the announcement of the funding. Perhaps
 that content had been in there a week or two before anybody in this
 group noticed. We then had the vehement discussion that everyone knows
 about, it was even picked up by some non-group bloggers and got some
 press.
 
 A few days later came the VC announcement.
 
 Did the presence of the misappropriated content mislead a VC into
 investing in Veoh? Several people in this group have implied or baldly
 stated as much.
 
 However, I would be extremely surprised if it were true. It would take
 a really stupid, impulsive VC to make an investment decision based on
 the content present on the site over a brief period of time. They
 would also have to have been completely out of touch with the world of
 online video not to have noticed the fuss over Veoh in this group and
 elsewhere.
 
 Things happen fast in high-tech investment, but not that fast, and
 these folks are not stupid. You don't dispose of $12 million without
 due diligence, which takes time, and means a lot more than a glance at
 Veoh's site.
 
 So can we please drop this angle of the discussion as silly and
 irresponsible? You are, after all, making quasi-criminal charges
 against the executives of Veoh, accusing them of acting to
 deliberately mislead investors. There are laws against libel, even on
 the Internet.
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh article

2006-04-22 Thread Jeff Marquis





 However, I would be extremely surprised if it were true. It would take
 a really stupid, impulsive VC to make an investment decision based on
 the content present on the site over a brief period of time. They
 would also have to have been completely out of touch with the world of
 online video not to have noticed the fuss over Veoh in this group and
 elsewhere.

To amplify Markus, there are plenty of knucklehead VCs out there.
Anybody remember pets.com. I think you can still pick up the sock
puppets on Ebay.

 There are laws against libel, even on the Internet.

In this day and age, with the likes of George W Bush, it's nice to see
that there are a few people left who actually think the US legal system
is going to protect us from corporate-backed companies like Veoh.
A bad business model, or bad press, might kill Veoh. I personally
don't think it will be because our wonderful legal system is fighting
the good fight. Call me jaded. Check out EFF.









  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh article

2006-04-22 Thread Deirdre Straughan

On 4/22/06, Jeff Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There are laws against libel, even on the Internet.

In this day and age, with the likes of George W Bush, it's nice to see
that there are a few people left who actually think the US legal system
is going to protect us from corporate-backed companies like Veoh.
A bad business model, or bad press, might kill Veoh. I personally
don't think it will be because our wonderful legal system is fighting
the good fight. Call me jaded. Check out EFF.This is not about you personally but... after all the people screaming in here about Veoh violating their copyrights, it seems only reasonable to point out that companies do have some rights to be protected from slander.
And if you want any entity, whether a person or a corporation, to treat you with consideration, it's only fair that you do the same for them. It is within the realms of possibility that Veoh did act in bad faith and did trick a particularly stupid VC company into giving them money on that basis. But... is that an accusation we should really be flinging around without even considering the benefit of the doubt?
Another aspect of this that has got up my nose is just how ready some of us were to pile on and suspect the darkest motives even when Dmitry was apparently trying to make amends. Companies are made up of people and, surprsingly enough, company people resond just as well to a kind word and a non-belligerent attitude as anyone else.
Whether the law gets applied equally in all cases is a whole 'nother argument. Don't tell me about law favoring the rich and those in power - I live in Italy, where outgoing Prime Minister Berlusconi originally got into politics (using his considerable financial and media clout) most likely to keep his own butt out of jail.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-21 Thread Michael Sullivan

So we have talked about similarities and differences that are apparent.Since I never implied one is exactly like the other, the similarities were only used to make a point... and the fact that we can also list several differences doesnt kill my point.
We can speculate on anything and everything from any service out there. It's fantastic that the community blew the whistle which resulted in change.But what happens if speculation gets out of control? As i tested... it comes off nasty and is a mess.
I know blip is prob the most legit project out there and I dont expect any shady decisions coming from the blip camp. But what if someone started shouting that blip is free now only so they can later charge you or make things inconvenient... that its free in order to get users which helps to get more users etc... its the oldest model out there and someone can easily speculate on what blip is up to. I have heard blip say clearly that they will not ever remove already upoaded content or force people to upgrade and I believe that. But this aint about me.
Speculation sucks and can be used against anyone. There are always grey areas that can be twisted to seem like an evil plot. I think this group has done enough of this in regards to Veoh. Let's not regurgitate it over and over. Let's be happy that a company was willing to change, and did change and hope that they will continue to do the right thing going forward. Change is what calls for action can result in but then it's easy to get over the top and continue negative trajectory and when it comes from 'competing services' it bothers me.
sullOn 4/20/06, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have to disagree that veoh is also an aggregator.OK... technically they are also an aggregator.But if
blip.tv started pulling in all the videos hosted on Vimeo, would you call us an aggregator?Our line of business is still clear, isn't it?
Veoh is a media hosting service, and other capabilities (i.e. aggregation) are ancillary features designed to reinforce the core.The strategy behind the aggregation is clear: draw eyeballs with content aggregated from elsewhere;
transform some percentage (probably somewhere around 3%) of those eyeballs into uploaders;eventually phase out the outside content in favor of content coming from these new uploaders.Aggregation is a boot-strapping mechanism. It's a reaction to the classic chicken egg problem: In order to get uploaders you need content to attract them, in order to get content you need uploaders. I'd imagine that any video hosting service that's had trouble attracting uploaders has considered such a strategy.
I agree with you that stats are a solvable problem.When we first conceived blip.tv, we were going to be an aggregator (this was before we realized that there weren't any reliable videoblog hosting services out there to aggregate from).We put together some proposals for statistics sharing across services -- these proposals were what gave rise to
Video Vertigo at Vloggercue.Veoh made no such attempt.As far as affordable hosting, I agree and disagree.Affordable hosting is important, but only insomuch as it is a means to an end.The important thing is making videoblogging sustainable.Remember that affordable hosting is not the only thing necessary for making videoblogging sustainable in the long term.Some videobloggers have already gone full-time to work on their projects.Affordable (or free) hosting doesn't put food on the table.Re-hosting actually actively takes food off the table.
Yours,MikeCo-founder, blip.tv
On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Right on, but you have to admit there are inevitably similarities since
veoh also is an aggregatorat least that is a part of it. It can also be argued that veoh can be used as a 'personal tool' as well for personal aggregation.Lots of grey. I agree that stats are important to content creators, but its too early to
assume that veoh cannot provide stats that can be conceivable merged with stats from other media sources that a content creator may be using.let's face it, going forward people will prob be utilizing more than one server
and platform to distribute each piece of media... including arhival servers like IA and P2P networks like veoh.It just a matter of accumulating the relevent stats and being able to provide it to potential sponsors etc...
We cannot assume that this is unachievable and hence say that a servic elike veoh is bad because it splits stats up. More important to stats is an affordable way to distribute quality video.

If you can do that, then their is less need for sponsors to help pay for premium hosting services. Circles :) sull On 4/20/06, Mike Hudack

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please keep in mind when reading this e-mail that I run blip.tv
, and so my opinion on Veoh is necessarily biased as they are a competitor.While I
have an opinion of Veoh as a member of this community, and an opinion of them as a competitor, it

Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-21 Thread Michael Sullivan

nothing personal. just point-making and requests for direct answers for sake of clarity.i believe i have spoken from a balanced perspective.cheers,sullOn 4/21/06,
Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
off-list here, Sull...Sounds like you have some sort of personal beef here? I really don'tget the hostility.-Josh-- Forwarded message --From: Michael Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Apr 20, 2006 6:18 PMSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: veohTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com but I do not believe they had the right intentions in
the first place.tricky, it is... right?like the fireant promo videos which i am guessing are people who dontuse or never heard of fireant and were picked off the streetof course, like you that is just a piece of speculation.but
wouldnt that be dishonest too?or maybe i can speculate on why fireant.tv doesnt link to otherprojects in this space since launching your new directory... blipdoes, mefeedia does, vlogdir does, vlogmap does, vb-universe does.
again, busy i know.but this is where speculation can get nasty.frankly, i am tired of hearing about it.veoh heard the complaintsand acted.does apple do this?any other company listen and act asveoh has done?
let's get honest, shall we?sullOn 4/20/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:No, its not about attribution.Its about falsely portraying people as members of your community when
they are not. Its about dishonesty and bad business practice.I do feel that Veoh took the right steps to solve the problem in atimely fashion, but I do not believe they had the right intentions inthe first place.
-JoshOn 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's still more about the attribution more than anything else
mefeedia aquires feeds too.i dont have a problem with that.do you? the attribution issue has been addressed.i am satisfied.are you? sull On 4/20/06, Joshua Kinberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not just that the work is a derivative, or that its a full clip rather than a preview -- the bigger issue for me is that Veoh used
vloggers and their content to make it seem as though they had a growing and vibrant community, people who've signed up, agreed to terms of service, and were participants in the Veoh community. This
was not true. They took people's content and made bogus profiles for them. They forced users into an opt out situation when they had never in fact opted in. This is dishonest.
-josh On 4/20/06, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exactly!!!Michael Verdi wrote:
For many videobloggers the previews were long enough to be the complete work.-- Markus Sandy
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

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the only transcoding that was done and that was part of the issue were the video previews on veoh.com not the distributable originals via the p2p network.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company

2006-04-20 Thread Halcyon Lujah




Speaking of Dmitry, he was interviewed on CNBC:http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e58555GeFRX7g8
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p.s. are the people who have issues with Veoh unhappy with the way they fixed it? or just upset they made a mistake in the first place?Or something else? Is anyone's content on Veoh that doesn't want it there? 



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Veoh.com is where you can see the transcoded flv previews.Btw, I like Veoh way more than crApple iTunes. 
God forbid people speak out against precious Apple. At least people... humans... speak to us here from Veoh. Christ, the CEO responded! When has anyone from Apple contributed to the conversation of videoblogging?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

For many videobloggers the previews were long enough to be the complete work.point being?actually, in those cases that was better ;-)but i was explaining to joly where the transcoded videos were.
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Where does it say that? I've d/l'd my own stuff from there and it's bit for bit
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company

2006-04-20 Thread Stephanie Bryant




In my case, I'm commenting on the historical action-- Veoh's taken
down my stuff. I'm ok with that. I think the ideal solution would be
to offer an attributed, non-preview, non-hosted listing in the veoh
directory, but at least they're no longer infringing on any of my
stuff.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company

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On 4/20/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

watching this video, i can't help but think that 2 weeks ago when I looked at veoh and saw all my friends videos on veoh, populating their pages, that perhaps all those faces, all those independant producers using veoh helped them land this deal.
I am curious... anyone interested in the technology/service that veoh is offering (ignore the bad blood)?Personally, I think they have a good site, and a good service. I've chosen not to list my stuff because I don't believe their actions were accidental and I don't believe in their business practices. It's great that they are trying to make amends, butI've still got my opinions.
And it is a shame, because I think they do have a good thing. Maybe not the best thing for videobloggers, but as Anne has said in the past for they seem more suited independent film-makers, etc.
I just can't see myself using it any time soon...On 4/20/06,
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Speaking of Dmitry, he was interviewed on CNBC:http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e58555GeFRX7g8
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Veoh.com is where you can see the transcoded flv previews.Btw, I like Veoh way more than crApple iTunes.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company

I think the technology and probably Dmitry's experience in this space and with P2P technology is by far a larger factor than the amount of content and users that Veoh has or had. People investing money are not usually ignorant to the core factors. The fact is, Veoh can and now likely will become a serious alternative venue for independent media makers. They have made it clear that they specialize in longer form higher quality videos.
Maybe not that enticing to some videobloggers who have no intention on creating 'more produced' and ellaborate video works, but looking forward it will be nice to have such an optional platform to utilize.
I can see you, Josh, making a brillian short film. Something above and beyond what you have already created. I can see you wanting to distribute a high quality version of it and not wanting to jump through the traditional hoops of the industry... and instead choosing to consider a service like Veoh.
Also, imagine all the filmmakers who are not bloggers. Anything that gives them a new vehicle for moving out their content to the masses at no cost that is far from a bad thing!sull
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company

2006-04-20 Thread Josh Leo

I am still waiting to hear back from dmitri, he stood me up for a WATM interview we had scheduled last week (understandable with all the big deal talk going on now) he said maybe this week but I am still waiting to hear from him... hopefully I can get some more information specially geared towards vloggers and how we can work together!
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I just can't see myself using it any time soon...On 4/20/06,
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-20 Thread WWWhatsup





I'm not talking about the flv previews Enric, but the actual P2P service.

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 Where does it say that? I've d/l'd my own stuff from there and it's
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-20 Thread Joshua Kinberg




Its not just that the work is a derivative, or that its a full clip
rather than a preview -- the bigger issue for me is that Veoh used
vloggers and their content to make it seem as though they had a
growing and vibrant community, people who've signed up, agreed to
terms of service, and were participants in the Veoh community. This
was not true. They took people's content and made bogus profiles for
them. They forced users into an opt out situation when they had
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

it's still more about the attribution more than anything else

mefeediaaquires feeds too. i dont have a problem withthat. do you?

the attribution issue has been addressed. i am satisfied. are you?

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them. They forced users into an opt out situation when they hadnever in fact opted in. This is dishonest.-joshOn 4/20/06, Markus Sandy
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-20 Thread Devlon

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it's still more about the attribution more than anything else

mefeediaaquires feeds too. i dont have a problem withthat. do you?I don't know if 'acquire' is the right word sull. People can submit feeds to Mefeedia, much like they can on Veoh afaik.
Just had to butt in there ;)the attribution issue has been addressed. i am satisfied. are you?

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Its not just that the work is a derivative, or that its a full cliprather than a preview -- the bigger issue for me is that Veoh used
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-20 Thread robert a/k/a r




Cmon. Lighten up. It was a just a mistake in the first place :-0)

http://snipurl.com/694s




On Apr 20, 2006, at 7:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 No, its not about attribution.
 Its about falsely portraying people as members of your community when
 they are not. Its about dishonesty and bad business practice.

 I do feel that Veoh took the right steps to solve the problem in a
 timely fashion, but I do not believe they had the right intentions in
 the first place.

 -Josh


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 it's still more about the attribution more than anything else

 mefeedia aquires feeds too. i dont have a problem with that. do 
 you?

 the attribution issue has been addressed. i am satisfied. are you?

 sull

 On 4/20/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

 Its not just that the work is a derivative, or that its a full clip
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 growing and vibrant community, people who've signed up, agreed to
 terms of service, and were participants in the Veoh community. This
 was not true. They took people's content and made bogus profiles for
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 never in fact opted in. This is dishonest.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-20 Thread Michael Verdi

I don't think this is the issue. Mefeedia is a directory/aggregator - that links to videoblogs. FireAnt is an aggregator with a directory that links to videoblogs. This is way different than being a distribution system that appears as if they have all of these videobloggers that have chosen to host their stuff on their servers.
Like you said, it's what you do with the content. Yes Veoh has stopped doing what they we're doing...but1. I don't think it was an innocent mistake - they're too smart for that.2. The other day in an interview they tried to blame it on a buggy system (that wasn't in place at the time) instead of accepting blame for a bad practice.
It's NOT about the attribution, more than anything else!-VerdiOn 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan
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right... basically every service allows submissions.some require you to register (fireant.tv), others dont.
but some also suck in content automatically.i'm just making sure hypocrisy on that front gets wiped out.
you cant stick it to veoh while other services do the same thing.and there is nothing wrong with sucking in RSS feeds.it's what you do with that content within the bounds of your service that matters the most.
mefeedia is totally legit. veoh wasnt, but apparently it seems settled now.mefeedia and veoh were very similar in this respect. so if you have a problem with how veoh got the content more so than the lack of attribution, than your basically having a problem with mefeedia and any other service that does this.
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it's still more about the attribution more than anything else

the attribution issue has been addressed. i am satisfied. are you?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh

it is not way different.so, tell me like i'm a 5 year old, michael. what is the issue... because it seems to me that your 2 points infer attribution concerns and are also speculation, which gets us nowhere at this point.
look, i'm seeing this whole thing from a middle seat. i've plainly said what i didnt like about veoh and likewise what i do like and that i am very pleased at the response taken. sull
On 4/20/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

right... basically every service allows submissions.some require you to register (fireant.tv), others dont.

but some also suck in content automatically.i'm just making sure hypocrisy on that front gets wiped out.
you cant stick it to veoh while other services do the same thing.and there is nothing wrong with sucking in RSS feeds.it's what you do with that content within the bounds of your service that matters the most.
mefeedia is totally legit. veoh wasnt, but apparently it seems settled now.mefeedia and veoh were very similar in this respect. so if you have a problem with how veoh got the content more so than the lack of attribution, than your basically having a problem with mefeedia and any other service that does this.
its about the attribution, more than anything else!sull
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wrote:

On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

it's still more about the attribution more than anything else

the attribution issue has been addressed. i am satisfied. are you?

sull
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[videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company

2006-04-19 Thread David Howell




First the Wired article and now this??

*eye twitch*

Screw it...I quit. I'm going back to Internet Radio.

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 He said Veoh from the beginning had wanted to upload only content
from RSS
 feeds which users had explicitly submitted to Veoh. He said Veoh had
 required publishers submitting feeds to insert a specific snippet of
code
 verifying they were owners of the feed. However, he said Veoh's
process was
 bugged, and wasn't identifying which content was owned by the
submitters
 and which wasn't. As a result, when outsiders submitted copyrighted
content,
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company

2006-04-19 Thread Devlon




lol, yeah it's a kick in the balls today David.On 4/19/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



First the Wired article and now this??

*eye twitch*

Screw it...I quit. I'm going back to Internet Radio.

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 required publishers submitting feeds to insert a specific snippet of
code
 verifying they were owners of the feed. However, he said Veoh's
process was
 bugged, and wasn't identifying which content was owned by the
submitters
 and which wasn't. As a result, when outsiders submitted copyrighted
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[videoblogging] Re: veoh

2006-04-18 Thread Enric

I think what attracts investors -- and I think wrongly -- is that it's
a closed network.  They transcode video that's walled into a P2P
network.  The number of views are now only visible on Veoh.  I have a
video on blip.tv that has over 100 views with over 300 views on Veoh.
 People can link in by copying the video url which only gives them the
beginning snippet.  Content comes in, but only previews go out.  This
probably looks attractive for future advertising, pay-per-view,
premium content subscriptions and the like.  It is working to create a
 controlled content, television network model through software that
walls off access.

I think the response to this should be to continue making good,
attractive content with creative commons license and demand the
license be respected by services like Veoh.

  -- Enric


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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-10 Thread Susan

Sounds like we need a do not vlog list like we have for our home
telephones...

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 While searching for sites for testinggrounds.loadedpun.com, I've
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 of vlogs listed in a great number of sites. They do, indeed, pick up
media
 feeds and list them. Check out Blinkx, for example. I bet you're in
there.
 
 It's a very strange feeling to go to a community site and find your
 listings. These places usually have a way to get out of the listings
if you
 find your stuff, but they have no way to prevent you from getting in
there
 in the first place.
 
 On 4/7/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I looked at the watch tab on veoh and noticed a bunch of vlogger's
  videos (including Bre, Markus, and Rocketboom) on the page. Markus
didnt
  know anything about it, and I highly doubt Rocketboom submuts
their content
  to Veoh to be transcoded into flash and hosted there...
 
  what is the deal? are they scraping feeds then transcoding and hosting
  videos without permission?
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-10 Thread David Howell

Have you had your videos removed out of there yet or are you claiming
them and leaving them there?

david
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  While searching for sites for testinggrounds.loadedpun.com, I've
 found tons
  of vlogs listed in a great number of sites. They do, indeed, pick up
 media
  feeds and list them. Check out Blinkx, for example. I bet you're in
 there.
  
  It's a very strange feeling to go to a community site and find your
  listings. These places usually have a way to get out of the listings
 if you
  find your stuff, but they have no way to prevent you from getting in
 there
  in the first place.
  
  On 4/7/06, Josh Leo joshleo@ wrote:
  
I looked at the watch tab on veoh and noticed a bunch of
vlogger's
   videos (including Bre, Markus, and Rocketboom) on the page. Markus
 didnt
   know anything about it, and I highly doubt Rocketboom submuts
 their content
   to Veoh to be transcoded into flash and hosted there...
  
   what is the deal? are they scraping feeds then transcoding and
hosting
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-10 Thread David Howell

While I think that is a very good idea and appears to now be needed,
do you honestly think that would have changed matters with the Veoh
fiasco?

David
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
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 I wonder... maybe Andreas can chime in... does it make any sense to
modify
 cc licenses to include a clause about re-hosting and re-distributing
media
 from that host?  If a license can state whether or not it is
allowed, then
 maybe that would streamline things?
 
 sull
 
 On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   The point I am trying to make is: I want action, and removing all
videos
  (not just feeds, videos) they gathered without opt-in would be a
start.
 
  Peter
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  On 4/8/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this
out for
comments here.
   
  
   Acceptable response?  I am annoyed by Veoh's response already. 
A better
   question would be 'what is an acceptable action'.  All I've heard is
   reposnse and not seen action.
  
   I've requested 3 times that they remove my feed.  Once to Jarrod (a
   developer there) and twice to Dmitry after he emailed me
   personallyasking to talk on the phone sometime.  I don't
want talk, I
   want action.
  
   His words mean nothing without action.  The only action I've
seen him
   take is to disable the big feeds, like blip, ourmedia, etc. 
Does that tell
   us that us little people don't matter enough for him to act now?
 Doesn't
   sound like 'friendly actions'
  
Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hosting
should be opt-in.
   
That would mean that:
1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from their
site.
2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have
claimed
and where the feed owners have given permission for them to
re-host.
   
  
   I agree
  
For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge
companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.
   
  
   I judge companies by acitons as well.  See above what I think of
their
   actions.
  
   I agree with a lot of people saying that Veoh is a good site,
they have
   a lot to offer...but, I really have a hard time swallowing the
fact that out
   of everyone on the Veoh team, no one stood up and said...'hey
wait, we can't
   do this, this is licence infringement'  Some of them are members
of this
   community that 'get it'...they know.
  
   Claiming ignorance now and not removing the offending feeds is just
   compounding and really frustrating me.
  
   I am surprised we haven't heard more from the founding members here
   aside from Peter.
  
Comments?
  
   Peter
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 On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Being the
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-10 Thread Michael Sullivan




Well, I didnt offer the thought as a what if? for Veoh... And I cannot speak for Veoh decisions.I could speculate... but their is enough of that going around already ;-)sull
On 4/10/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I think that is a very good idea and appears to now be needed,do you honestly think that would have changed matters with the Veohfiasco?Davidhttp://www.davidhowellstudios.com
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder... maybe Andreas can chime in... does it make any sense to
modify cc licenses to include a clause about re-hosting and re-distributingmedia from that host?If a license can state whether or not it isallowed, then maybe that would streamline things?
 sull On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  The point I am trying to make is: I want action, and removing allvideos  (not just feeds, videos) they gathered without opt-in would be a
start.   Peter  --  http://mefeedia.comOn 4/8/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
  On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing thisout forcomments here.
Acceptable response?I am annoyed by Veoh's response already.A better   question would be 'what is an acceptable action'.All I've heard is
   reposnse and not seen action. I've requested 3 times that they remove my feed.Once to Jarrod (a   developer there) and twice to Dmitry after he emailed me
   personallyasking to talk on the phone sometime.I don'twant talk, I   want action. His words mean nothing without action.The only action I've
seen him   take is to disable the big feeds, like blip, ourmedia, etc.Does that tell   us that us little people don't matter enough for him to act now? Doesn't   sound like 'friendly actions'
Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hostingshould be opt-in.   That would mean that:
1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from theirsite.2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners haveclaimedand where the feed owners have given permission for them to
re-host.I agreeFor me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judgecompanies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.I judge companies by acitons as well.See above what I think oftheir
   actions. I agree with a lot of people saying that Veoh is a good site,they have   a lot to offer...but, I really have a hard time swallowing the
fact that out   of everyone on the Veoh team, no one stood up and said...'heywait, we can't   do this, this is licence infringement'Some of them are membersof this   community that 'get it'...they know.
 Claiming ignorance now and not removing the offending feeds is just   compounding and really frustrating me. I am surprised we haven't heard more from the founding members here
   aside from Peter.Comments? Peter   --   http://mefeedia.com
 On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:   
 Little green tickets of money are one way to be selfish.Being the center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are   incentives for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity.
 You're still not respecting the rights of creators. Ifsomeone rips   off your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-10 Thread David Howell

Damn you. Amuse me with some speculation! I'm stuck at work and it's
sunny and 74 outside. That's like the middle of freakin summer here in
Minnesota!

David
http;//www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, I didnt offer the thought as a what if? for Veoh...
 And I cannot speak for Veoh decisions.
 I could speculate... but their is enough of that going around
already ;-)
 
 sull
 
 On 4/10/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  While I think that is a very good idea and appears to now be needed,
  do you honestly think that would have changed matters with the Veoh
  fiasco?
 
  David
  http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Sullivan
  sulleleven@ wrote:
  
   I wonder... maybe Andreas can chime in... does it make any sense to
  modify
   cc licenses to include a clause about re-hosting and re-distributing
  media
   from that host?  If a license can state whether or not it is
  allowed, then
   maybe that would streamline things?
  
   sull
  
   On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote:
   
 The point I am trying to make is: I want action, and removing all
  videos
(not just feeds, videos) they gathered without opt-in would be a
  start.
   
Peter
--
http://mefeedia.com
   
   
On 4/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:

  On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote:

   What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this
  out for
  comments here.
 

 Acceptable response?  I am annoyed by Veoh's response already.
  A better
 question would be 'what is an acceptable action'.  All I've
heard is
 reposnse and not seen action.

 I've requested 3 times that they remove my feed.  Once to
Jarrod (a
 developer there) and twice to Dmitry after he emailed me
 personallyasking to talk on the phone sometime.  I don't
  want talk, I
 want action.

 His words mean nothing without action.  The only action I've
  seen him
 take is to disable the big feeds, like blip, ourmedia, etc.
  Does that tell
 us that us little people don't matter enough for him to act now?
  Doesn't
 sound like 'friendly actions'

  Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of
re-hosting
  should be opt-in.
 
  That would mean that:
  1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted
from their
  site.
  2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have
  claimed
  and where the feed owners have given permission for them to
  re-host.
 

 I agree

  For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge
  companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
  understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.
 

 I judge companies by acitons as well.  See above what I think of
  their
 actions.

 I agree with a lot of people saying that Veoh is a good site,
  they have
 a lot to offer...but, I really have a hard time swallowing the
  fact that out
 of everyone on the Veoh team, no one stood up and said...'hey
  wait, we can't
 do this, this is licence infringement'  Some of them are members
  of this
 community that 'get it'...they know.

 Claiming ignorance now and not removing the offending feeds
is just
 compounding and really frustrating me.

 I am surprised we haven't heard more from the founding
members here
 aside from Peter.

  Comments?

 Peter
 --
 http://mefeedia.com

 On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote:
   On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell jdowdell@
  wrote:
 
   Little green tickets of money are one way to be selfish.
  Being the
   center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are
 incentives
   for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity.
  
   You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If
  someone rips
 off
   your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
  matter
 if
   they get something other than little green tickets in
return?
 
  Legally, yes.
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-10 Thread wtrainbow

I completely agree with Andreas.

Sure, it's a change but not a derivative. Each time you compress a video it's 
changed 
but this is not what is meant by derivative. An example of a derivative would 
be a mashup.

In fact in the license states that you allow the licensee to modifiy the work 
into other 
formats

The above rights include the right to make such modifications as are 
technically 
necessary to exercise the rights in other media and formats, but otherwise you 
have no 
rights to make Derivative Works.


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  I don't agree with Devlon that a video transcode constitutes a derrivative
  work (IANAL!!!). Just as a xerox of a photo is a copy not a derrivative
  work... It's a bad copy, but still a copy. IMO.
 
 
 This from the champion of interactive bloggy video? ;) If I have an
 interactive sprite track and someone transcodes that mov file to a flash
 file, all that interactivity is gone ... it's a significant change to the
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

*blink* *blink**blink*...

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*blink* *blink*...


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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

I sent an email on my videos for Cirne and got the series ID to claim
it.  I replied that my other vlog, Tech Alley (
http://techalley.cirne.com/ ) , is also showing up on veoh and how to
get the series id to claim it.  A samples is this:

http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e13718feature=1numResults=20likeVideo=e13854
ttp://tinyurl.com/rqom9

If I can't claim my vlogs entries, please remove them.

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wrote:

 Thank you for approving me for this group.
 
 I wanted all of you to know that I am reading these messages and hear
 you loud and clear.
 
 It is not our intention to steal anyone's content.  We are simply
 trying to create a compelling service for video producers of all
 kinds, with a big focus on enabling video bloggers to be free of
 restrictions to broadcast.  In fact, we did consider simply creating a
 site where we would link to videoblogs, but felt that this may cause
 you to experience  significant costs.  The reason we transcode the
 content is to offload those costs from you to us.  Maybe this is not
 the right thing to do.  We are open to your comments, and will obey
 your wishes.
 
 Please forgive us if you are one of the people that feel that we have
 gone about this the wrong way, we will make changes to accommodate
 your preferences.  We did not mean to infringe on anyone's rights, we
 simply tried to make it simple for people to find your videos in a
 single place.  This is an evolutionary process, and we are working on
 refining it.  We would greatly appreciate your help in making Veoh a
 great citizen of the video blogging world.
 
 For those of you that will be attending VloggerCon 2006, you will have
 a chance to meet a few of us there, as we are going to be sponsoring
 the event, and will throw a party afterwards.  
 
 I encourage you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are the
 good guys.  We will do ANYTHING to prove that to you, really.
 
 I will personally make sure that anyone that wants their feed off of
 our system gets a quick response to their wishes.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Anne Walk

I honestly don't know how this can be made right.First thing, though, stop spidering immediately. Remove all unclaimed feeds at once. Not just the feeds of those who discover what you are doing. All of them.
Doing those things could go a long way in showing your intentions.On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:Anne,I undertand your frustration, but I assure you we are not doing this
to inflate numbers.We are just trying to create a good service.Iagree that this is serious business, but I think that our intent is inline with video bloggers; to help people communicate.Maybe these will help clear things up a bit:
http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e45222y74PgXDwhttp://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e53117YBnkkPyp
We should have spent time in this group, but unfortunately we havebeen understaffed, and time just got away from us.I am here now, andI am listening to you.I want to do whatever it takes to make things
right.I hope that you take me up on that offer.What can I do to makethings right?Dmitry--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dmitry, Thankyou for responding to the group. I have a few questions and comments about this whole situation. I simply cannot see how taking video without the maker's knowledge or
consent, creating a series with it, linking back to your own site,using no attribution whatsoever and implicating them as members of yourcommunity is a compelling service for video producers.
I think it is, however, a compelling service to Veoh as it gives an artificial inflation of your numbers which, I'm sure, is quitehelpful when looking for VC funding for your company.
In your terms of service, you spell out your own copyright for thesite. How would you feel about a company that decided it wanted to help youavoid the costs of running your site by sucking the content out of it and
hosting it on their own site without your knowledge or consent. They could thendrive your traffic to them, thereby saving you the costs associated with bandwidth. I'm sure that you wouldn't perceive it as helpful though,
would you? If you truly thought that what you were doing was helpful, you mighthave come in here before now and told us what a marvelous job you were doing helping us all and encouraging us to come claim our feeds. Instead,
we find out accidentally and now you are here to tell us that it's for ourown good and that you are helping us. Not cool. Not legal. Not helpful. Sorry if this sounds harsh but this is serious business.
On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for approving me for this group. I wanted all of you to know that I am reading these messages and hear
you loud and clear. It is not our intention to steal anyone's content.We are simply trying to create a compelling service for video producers of all kinds, with a big focus on enabling video bloggers to be free of
restrictions to broadcast.In fact, we did consider simply creating a site where we would link to videoblogs, but felt that this may cause you to experiencesignificant costs.The reason we transcode the
content is to offload those costs from you to us.Maybe this is not the right thing to do.We are open to your comments, and will obey your wishes. Please forgive us if you are one of the people that feel that we have
gone about this the wrong way, we will make changes to accommodate your preferences.We did not mean to infringe on anyone's rights, we simply tried to make it simple for people to find your videos in a
single place.This is an evolutionary process, and we are working on refining it.We would greatly appreciate your help in making Veoh a great citizen of the video blogging world.
For those of you that will be attending VloggerCon 2006, you will have a chance to meet a few of us there, as we are going to be sponsoring the event, and will throw a party afterwards.
I encourage you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are the good guys.We will do ANYTHING to prove that to you, really. I will personally make sure that anyone that wants their feed off of
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Charles Iliya Krempeaux




Hello,On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anne,I undertand your frustration, but I assure you we are not doing thisto inflate numbers.We are just trying to create a good service.Iagree that this is serious business, but I think that our intent is in
line with video bloggers; to help people communicate.Maybe these will help clear things up a bit:http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e45222y74PgXDw
http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e53117YBnkkPyp(Sorry for getting off topic, but)Is there any way I can watch the whole video without having to signup for an account? (I have a pet-peeve against signing up for accounts everywhere.)
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Stephanie Bryant

Er Um

My husband sells adult DVDs over the Internet. He's a very
above-the-board businessman, which is why we don't live in a mansion
in Beverly Hills. But, yeah. Porn servers tend to buy more bandwidth
than they need. So I use some. Just so it doesn't go to waste, you
understand.

--Stephanie

On 4/7/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 *blink* *blink**blink*...

 rubs eyes

 *blink* *blink*...


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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

Yes. I understand. Of course.

*blink*

I need to edit my videos earlier in the evening. My mind is playing
games with me.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

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 Er Um
 
 My husband sells adult DVDs over the Internet. He's a very
 above-the-board businessman, which is why we don't live in a mansion
 in Beverly Hills. But, yeah. Porn servers tend to buy more bandwidth
 than they need. So I use some. Just so it doesn't go to waste, you
 understand.
 
 --Stephanie
 
 On 4/7/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  *blink* *blink**blink*...
 
  rubs eyes
 
  *blink* *blink*...
 
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

Porn bandwidth is a terrible thing to waste.

Sowwy, couldn't resist.

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 Er Um
 
 My husband sells adult DVDs over the Internet. He's a very
 above-the-board businessman, which is why we don't live in a mansion
 in Beverly Hills. But, yeah. Porn servers tend to buy more bandwidth
 than they need. So I use some. Just so it doesn't go to waste, you
 understand.
 
 --Stephanie
 
 On 4/7/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  *blink* *blink**blink*...
 
  rubs eyes
 
  *blink* *blink*...
 
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread dmitry_veoh

Markus,

It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar.  I
have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship.

From the vloggercon web site --

Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference
down we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the
personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise
$20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread
the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is
needed for us to achieve this goal think about the children!

We would like to contribute to the cause.

Are you one of the organizers?  Do you not want us to sponsor?

Dmitry  

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Excuse me???
 
 At this time, Veoh is NOT an official sponsor of Vloggercon.
 
 Vloggercon sponsors are listed on the vloggercon site and you're not.
 
 Perhaps you should check out the sponsorship page:  
 http://www.vloggercon.com/?page_id=7
 
 However, you should be aware that some of us are more than a little 
 concerned as to the suitability of such a sponsorship under the current 
 conditions.
 
 Markus Sandy
 
 
 
 dmitry_veoh wrote:
 
 For those of you that will be attending VloggerCon 2006, you will have
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RE: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Randy Mann

From: dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 04:56:03 -

Anne,

I undertand your frustration, but I assure you we are not doing this
to inflate numbers.

then why are you doing this?

We are just trying to create a good service.(so you can sell it for good 
money some day?)

how come blip isnt doing it this way?( i love blip,they have allways been on 
the up and up with me .they told me they want to make money from me.not like 
you saying that your doing this for sosal change come on) i hope blip make 
tones of monney from my shit, for they have been nothing but honist and up 
forward with us all.

I
agree that this is serious business, but I think that our intent is in
line with video bloggers; to help people communicate.(and  make money off 
of stuff that dont belong to ya)

no your intent is to make lots of money some day,thats why your paying to 
host and for bandwith, dont bullshit a bullshitter.you can candy coat your 
intencions all you want but come down to the bottom line and its all aubot 
money (where is my share??)

Maybe these will help clear things up a bit:
http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e45222y74PgXDw

i got to sighn in to see this come on, the more people sighn in the more 
money you make?? thats what i need some more people making money from me 
that ill never see

http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e53117YBnkkPyp

We should have spent time in this group, but unfortunately we have
been understaffed, and time just got away from us.

(your too busy to keep copyrited shit off your site? come on our media and 
blip does it
   I am here now

, and
I am listening to you.  I want to do whatever it takes to make things
right.

you want to make it right?? take down all the shit that does not belong to 
YOU.  ie all the tv copy rite stuff, all the stuff that poeple shouldnt be 
uploading like tv programs. i cant dl them with bit torrents but its ok for 
me to get it off your site eh?you want to make room for the little guy but 
youll put up with big time tv content?

I hope that you take me up on that offer.  What can I do to make
things right?
make a email thingie that lets people know that you STLONEN there work. 
make a coment thing that goes to my email when some one puts a coment up on 
my work,a link back to my site,a stat counter that works with the site that 
you stole your stuff from,share the welth, i dont know maybe something like 
asking before you steal someting

i think my cousion will be intrestedin this. you have some of his stuff on 
your site(guess what it is youll never figger it out so just take it all 
down , he coppy rites all his stuff(even tho i tr to get him to post cc). he 
is a bit anail aubot stuff like this(and lots of other stuff). he likes to 
feal in controll of his work, and btw he is a layor and kind of a pirck.(hes 
probly going to sue you for giggles and kicks( it wont cost him much to draw 
up pappers hell i think its kinda of a hobby of his)

i like to get kissed before i get fucked

randy

Dmitry

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi Dmitry,

  Thankyou for responding to the group.

  I have a few questions and comments about this whole situation.

  I simply cannot see how taking video without the maker's knowledge or
  consent, creating a series with it, linking back to your own site,
using
  no attribution whatsoever and implicating them as members of your
community
  is a compelling service for video producers.

  I think it is, however, a compelling service to Veoh as it gives an
  artificial inflation of your numbers which, I'm sure, is quite
helpful when
  looking for VC funding for your company.

  In your terms of service, you spell out your own copyright for the
site. How
  would you feel about a company that decided it wanted to help you
avoid the
  costs of running your site by sucking the content out of it and
hosting it
  on their own site without your knowledge or consent. They could then
drive
  your traffic to them, thereby saving you the costs associated with
  bandwidth. I'm sure that you wouldn't perceive it as helpful though,
would
  you?

  If you truly thought that what you were doing was helpful, you might
have
  come in here before now and told us what a marvelous job you were doing
  helping us all and encouraging us to come claim our feeds. Instead,
we find
  out accidentally and now you are here to tell us that it's for our
own good
  and that you are helping us. Not cool. Not legal. Not helpful.

  Sorry if this sounds harsh but this is serious business.

  On 4/7/06, dmitry_veoh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Thank you for approving me for this group.

   I wanted all of you to know that I am reading these messages and hear
   you loud and clear.

   It is not our intention to steal anyone's content

[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this out for
 comments here.
 
 Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hosting
 should be opt-in.
 
 That would mean that:
 1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from their site.
 2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have claimed
 and where the feed owners have given permission for them to re-host.

   3) For videos claimed, option to remove video series that stops
veoh from pulling that feed.

 
 For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge
 companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
 understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.
 
 Comments?
 
 Peter
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  On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   Little green tickets of money are one way to be selfish. Being the
   center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are
incentives
   for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity.
  
   You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
rips off
   your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
matter if
   they get something other than little green tickets in return?
 
  Legally, yes.
 
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

Actually, that's not true. An artists work becomes copyright from
the instant it is created regardless whether or not you have actually
gone and registered it.

Regardless, everyone should be putting a © somewhere on their sites no
matter what the case.

David
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 On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:39:09 +0200, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 
  On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
rips  
  off
   your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
matter if
   they get something other than little green tickets in return?
 
  Legally, yes.
 
  Not in the States. Copyright has nothing to do with whether or not
  someone makes money off of it. It's just that you're more likely to
  get monetary damages if there's money involved somewhere down the
  line.
 
 Exactly it does matter. If you haven't registered with the copyright  
 office (I doubt any vloggers have, it costs money for each work)
then you  
 cannot sue for statutory damages so you have to prove an actual
loss. It  
 makes a big difference.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread Andreas Haugstrup

Did you read what I wrote?

Under US Copyright law you cannot sue for statutory damages unless you've  
registered your work. You can still sue for actual damages. I never  
claimed that you have to register your work to obtain copyrights (those  
are automatic for anyone living in a country that has ratrified the berne  
convention).

- Andreas

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:07:06 +0200, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Actually, that's not true. An artists work becomes copyright from
 the instant it is created regardless whether or not you have actually
 gone and registered it.

 Regardless, everyone should be putting a © somewhere on their sites no
 matter what the case.

 David
 http://www.davidhowellstudios.com


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 On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:39:09 +0200, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
 rips
  off
   your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
 matter if
   they get something other than little green tickets in return?
 
  Legally, yes.
 
  Not in the States. Copyright has nothing to do with whether or not
  someone makes money off of it. It's just that you're more likely to
  get monetary damages if there's money involved somewhere down the
  line.

 Exactly it does matter. If you haven't registered with the copyright
 office (I doubt any vloggers have, it costs money for each work)
 then you
 cannot sue for statutory damages so you have to prove an actual
 loss. It
 makes a big difference.

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Actually, that's not true. An artists work becomes copyright from
 the instant it is created regardless whether or not you have actually
 gone and registered it.

Andreas was talking about monetary damages - I think copyright is
assumed in the conversation.

 
 Regardless, everyone should be putting a © somewhere on their sites no
 matter what the case.

or a (cc).


 
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 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup
 solitude@ wrote:
 
  On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:39:09 +0200, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@  
  wrote:
  
   On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote:
   On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell jdowdell@
   wrote:
You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
 rips  
   off
your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
 matter if
they get something other than little green tickets in return?
  
   Legally, yes.
  
   Not in the States. Copyright has nothing to do with whether or not
   someone makes money off of it. It's just that you're more likely to
   get monetary damages if there's money involved somewhere down the
   line.
  
  Exactly it does matter. If you haven't registered with the copyright  
  office (I doubt any vloggers have, it costs money for each work)
 then you  
  cannot sue for statutory damages so you have to prove an actual
 loss. It  
  makes a big difference.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread Markus Sandy







actually you are wrong and andreas is quite correct about this
specifically the *statutory* damages part
his point is that without registration, you don't get that so easy (or
at all)


David Howell wrote:

  Actually, that's not true. An artists work becomes "copyright" from
the instant it is created regardless whether or not you have actually
gone and registered it.

Regardless, everyone should be putting a  somewhere on their sites no
matter what the case.

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Andreas Haugstrup"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:39:09 +0200, Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



  On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


  You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
  

  

  
  rips  
  
  

  
off


  your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
  

  

  
  matter if
  
  

  

  they get something other than little green tickets in return?
  

Legally, yes.

  
  Not in the States. Copyright has nothing to do with whether or not
someone makes money off of it. It's just that you're more likely to
get monetary damages if there's money involved somewhere down the
line.
  

Exactly it does matter. If you haven't registered with the copyright  
office (I doubt any vloggers have, it costs money for each work)

  
  then you  
  
  
cannot sue for statutory damages so you have to prove an actual

  
  loss. It  
  
  
makes a big difference.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread Andreas Haugstrup

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:23:24 +0200, Markus Sandy  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 actually you are wrong and andreas is quite correct about this
 specifically the *statutory* damages part
 his point is that without registration, you don't get that so easy (or
 at all)

US legislation is pretty stupid in this regard (AFAIK it's a leftover from  
pre-Berne US copyrights). You cannot get statutory damages at all without  
registration - the court also cannot order the defendant to pay the legal  
fees. This hit independent artists way too hard, and vloggers even harder.  
If you don't register (and who's going to pay $20 to register each vlog  
entry?) then you can only sue for actual damages (*you* have to prove that  
you had an actual loss instead of the court setting an amount) *and* no  
matter what you have to cover your own legal costs. It's a really stupid  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread Anne Walk

Ok. We have asked to have our feeds removed from Veoh. Our new video was picked up this morning.I did notice, however, that they have stopped the ourmedia and blip feeds. Smart thinking as ripping off the content of other video hosting services will lead to major lawsuits (easily winnable ones at that)
Dmitry has come in here with soft words and claims that he had no idea that he was infringing on anyone's copyright and how he just wants to make it right but don't let him have you think that he is like us - a grassroots organization just trying to help promote videoblogging and democratize video.
From Veoh's faq, I see that he has been involved in the business for some time and knows very well what copyright means. They know what they have done.
Veoh Networks was founded in 2004 by Dmitry Shapiro, a world recognized
P2P security pioneer. Prior to founding Veoh, Dmitry was the founder
and CTO of Akonix Systems, Inc., the world's leading P2P security
company with over 1 million licensed enterprise users. Akonix's
customers include Disney, Viacom, MTV, Fox News, Fox Films, Weather
Channel, Cingular, and countless other brand names. The Veoh team also
includes Chief Scientist Dr. Ted Dunning, formerly the Chief Scientist
at MusicMatch (now Yahoo Music), Chief Scientist at IDAnalytics (the
leading identity fraud detection company), and Chief Scientist at Aptex
Software (an HNC/FairIsaac company), and a core team of developers
responsible for the creation and development of products such as
Websense, Akonix and Collegeclub.com. Veoh received Series A financing
from Shelter Capital in mid-2005. See our team profiles for more information.On 4/8/06, Enric
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gone and registered it.Andreas was talking about monetary damages - I think copyright isassumed in the conversation. Regardless, everyone should be putting a somewhere on their sites no
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rips offyour website, blog, search history, financial data, does it matter ifthey get something other than little green tickets in return?
Legally, yes. Not in the States. Copyright has nothing to do with whether or not someone makes money off of it. It's just that you're more likely to
get monetary damages if there's money involved somewhere down the line. Exactly it does matter. If you haven't registered with the copyright office (I doubt any vloggers have, it costs money for each work)
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

My bad. However you can register your work any time before filing a
lawsuit. If you dont register your work within 3 months, then you can
sue for...

(1) an injunction against further infringement; (2) the recovery of
profits from the infringer; and (3) other provable damages.

So, that said, you can recover money that was made as a result of the
infringement not what a judge thinks you might have made.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Did you read what I wrote?
 
 Under US Copyright law you cannot sue for statutory damages unless
you've  
 registered your work. You can still sue for actual damages. I never  
 claimed that you have to register your work to obtain copyrights
(those  
 are automatic for anyone living in a country that has ratrified the
berne  
 convention).
 
 - Andreas
 
 On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 18:07:06 +0200, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:
 
  Actually, that's not true. An artists work becomes copyright from
  the instant it is created regardless whether or not you have actually
  gone and registered it.
 
  Regardless, everyone should be putting a © somewhere on their sites no
  matter what the case.
 
  David
  http://www.davidhowellstudios.com
 
 
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Haugstrup
  solitude@ wrote:
 
  On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:39:09 +0200, Stephanie Bryant mortaine@
  wrote:
 
   On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote:
   On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell jdowdell@
   wrote:
You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
  rips
   off
your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
  matter if
they get something other than little green tickets in return?
  
   Legally, yes.
  
   Not in the States. Copyright has nothing to do with whether or not
   someone makes money off of it. It's just that you're more likely to
   get monetary damages if there's money involved somewhere down the
   line.
 
  Exactly it does matter. If you haven't registered with the copyright
  office (I doubt any vloggers have, it costs money for each work)
  then you
  cannot sue for statutory damages so you have to prove an actual
  loss. It
  makes a big difference.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Jay dedman

 It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar.  I
 have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship.

 From the vloggercon web site --

 Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference
 down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the
 personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise
 $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread
 the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is
 needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children!

 We would like to contribute to the cause.
 Are you one of the organizers?  Do you not want us to sponsor?

For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week to
get details on Vloggercon sponsorship.  nothing has been finalized
yet.

As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution.
It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if we
want our work taken down.
either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily submitted...
or add obvious linkbacks to each entry.

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

Lordy lordy. Here I was all high and mighty thinking they didnt have
any of my videos and I just found one there.

Guess what..

The video is less than 3 months old. I am within the limit to register
the video.

Guess who's heading down Monday to register this work? Guess who is
going to be hit with a lawsuit?

Now I am really pissed.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck
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 The point I am trying to make is: I want action, and removing all videos
 (not just feeds, videos) they gathered without opt-in would be a start.
 
 Peter
 --
 http://mefeedia.com
 
 On 4/8/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this out for
   comments here.
  
 
  Acceptable response?  I am annoyed by Veoh's response already.  A
better
  question would be 'what is an acceptable action'.  All I've heard is
  reposnse and not seen action.
 
  I've requested 3 times that they remove my feed.  Once to Jarrod (a
  developer there) and twice to Dmitry after he emailed me
  personallyasking to talk on the phone sometime.  I don't want
talk, I
  want action.
 
  His words mean nothing without action.  The only action I've seen
him take
  is to disable the big feeds, like blip, ourmedia, etc.  Does that
tell us
  that us little people don't matter enough for him to act now? 
Doesn't sound
  like 'friendly actions'
 
  Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hosting
   should be opt-in.
  
   That would mean that:
   1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from
their site.
   2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have
claimed
   and where the feed owners have given permission for them to
re-host.
  
 
  I agree
 
   For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge
   companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
   understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.
  
 
  I judge companies by acitons as well.  See above what I think of their
  actions.
 
  I agree with a lot of people saying that Veoh is a good site, they
have a
  lot to offer...but, I really have a hard time swallowing the fact
that out
  of everyone on the Veoh team, no one stood up and said...'hey
wait, we can't
  do this, this is licence infringement'  Some of them are members
of this
  community that 'get it'...they know.
 
  Claiming ignorance now and not removing the offending feeds is just
  compounding and really frustrating me.
 
  I am surprised we haven't heard more from the founding members
here aside
  from Peter.
 
   Comments?
 
  Peter
  --
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  On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
Little green tickets of money are one way to be selfish. Being the
center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are
incentives
for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity.
   
You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
rips
  off
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matter if
they get something other than little green tickets in return?
  
   Legally, yes.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Joshua Kinberg

Adding linkbacks to the entries is not enough.

The issue is rehosting content that you do not have permission to
rehost and assuming it falls under your own terms of use (as though it
were willfully uploaded by a consenting user who has chosen to opt in
to the service).

This denies traffic from the original creators who otherwise have no
idea their content is being rehosted by a commercial service. Also
those original creators may not agree to the terms of use put forth by
Veoh (even if not many people read those things, they're pretty
important. If I didn't sign up for the service, I don't expect to have
to opt out of their terms).

-Josh


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  It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar.  I
  have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship.
 
  From the vloggercon web site --
 
  Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference
  down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the
  personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise
  $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread
  the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is
  needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children!
 
  We would like to contribute to the cause.
  Are you one of the organizers?  Do you not want us to sponsor?

 For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week to
 get details on Vloggercon sponsorship.  nothing has been finalized
 yet.

 As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution.
 It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if we
 want our work taken down.
 either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily submitted...
 or add obvious linkbacks to each entry.

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread mikehudack

This is exactly what I asked of Dmitry when I spoke with him on the
phone yesterday.  I told him that I felt his best move was to
immediately remove all of this content and start from a clean, opt-in
only slate.  I also asked him to remove all blip video from Veoh.

Apparently he misunderstood, because so far he has only removed videos
from the main blip.tv RSS feed -- but none of the videos of specific
videoblogs hosted by blip.

Something has to give here, and soon.

Yours,

Mike
Co-founder, blip.tv

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The point I am trying to make is: I want action, and removing all videos
 (not just feeds, videos) they gathered without opt-in would be a start.
 
 Peter
 --
 http://mefeedia.com
 
 On 4/8/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this out for
   comments here.
  
 
  Acceptable response?  I am annoyed by Veoh's response already.  A
better
  question would be 'what is an acceptable action'.  All I've heard is
  reposnse and not seen action.
 
  I've requested 3 times that they remove my feed.  Once to Jarrod (a
  developer there) and twice to Dmitry after he emailed me
  personallyasking to talk on the phone sometime.  I don't want
talk, I
  want action.
 
  His words mean nothing without action.  The only action I've seen
him take
  is to disable the big feeds, like blip, ourmedia, etc.  Does that
tell us
  that us little people don't matter enough for him to act now? 
Doesn't sound
  like 'friendly actions'
 
  Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hosting
   should be opt-in.
  
   That would mean that:
   1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from
their site.
   2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have
claimed
   and where the feed owners have given permission for them to
re-host.
  
 
  I agree
 
   For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge
   companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
   understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.
  
 
  I judge companies by acitons as well.  See above what I think of their
  actions.
 
  I agree with a lot of people saying that Veoh is a good site, they
have a
  lot to offer...but, I really have a hard time swallowing the fact
that out
  of everyone on the Veoh team, no one stood up and said...'hey
wait, we can't
  do this, this is licence infringement'  Some of them are members
of this
  community that 'get it'...they know.
 
  Claiming ignorance now and not removing the offending feeds is just
  compounding and really frustrating me.
 
  I am surprised we haven't heard more from the founding members
here aside
  from Peter.
 
   Comments?
 
  Peter
  --
  http://mefeedia.com
 
  On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
  
Little green tickets of money are one way to be selfish. Being the
center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are
incentives
for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity.
   
You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
rips
  off
your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
matter if
they get something other than little green tickets in return?
  
   Legally, yes.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Anne Walk

hi Jay,I don't agree that adding obvious linkback is a solution because Veoh is a social site with memberships, ratings, profiles, friends, etc. I do not like the implication that I am a member of a community because my stuff was spidered into it. Linking back may give a means to finding my site from within the Veoh community but it does not remove that implication.
The answer, to me, is to stop spidering and remove any and all unclaimed feeds. And to not do it again.If people want to become a member of the Veoh community, they can choose to.anne
On 4/8/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar.I have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship. From the vloggercon web site -- Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference
down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread
the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children! We would like to contribute to the cause. Are you one of the organizers?Do you not want us to sponsor?
For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week toget details on Vloggercon sponsorship.nothing has been finalizedyet.As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution.
It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if wewant our work taken down.either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily submitted...or add obvious linkbacks to each entry.
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

My videos from the blip.tv feed are still up on veoh -- and they don't
appear to be associated to my blip.tv blog.  Here's an example:

http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e35579feature=1numResults=20query=dabble
http://tinyurl.com/s2wqk

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mikehudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is exactly what I asked of Dmitry when I spoke with him on the
 phone yesterday.  I told him that I felt his best move was to
 immediately remove all of this content and start from a clean, opt-in
 only slate.  I also asked him to remove all blip video from Veoh.
 
 Apparently he misunderstood, because so far he has only removed videos
 from the main blip.tv RSS feed -- but none of the videos of specific
 videoblogs hosted by blip.
 
 Something has to give here, and soon.
 
 Yours,
 
 Mike
 Co-founder, blip.tv
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck
 petervandijck@ wrote:
 
  The point I am trying to make is: I want action, and removing all
videos
  (not just feeds, videos) they gathered without opt-in would be a
start.
  
  Peter
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  On 4/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
  
On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote:
  
 What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this
out for
comments here.
   
  
   Acceptable response?  I am annoyed by Veoh's response already.  A
 better
   question would be 'what is an acceptable action'.  All I've heard is
   reposnse and not seen action.
  
   I've requested 3 times that they remove my feed.  Once to Jarrod (a
   developer there) and twice to Dmitry after he emailed me
   personallyasking to talk on the phone sometime.  I don't want
 talk, I
   want action.
  
   His words mean nothing without action.  The only action I've seen
 him take
   is to disable the big feeds, like blip, ourmedia, etc.  Does that
 tell us
   that us little people don't matter enough for him to act now? 
 Doesn't sound
   like 'friendly actions'
  
   Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hosting
should be opt-in.
   
That would mean that:
1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from
 their site.
2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have
 claimed
and where the feed owners have given permission for them to
 re-host.
   
  
   I agree
  
For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge
companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.
   
  
   I judge companies by acitons as well.  See above what I think of
their
   actions.
  
   I agree with a lot of people saying that Veoh is a good site, they
 have a
   lot to offer...but, I really have a hard time swallowing the fact
 that out
   of everyone on the Veoh team, no one stood up and said...'hey
 wait, we can't
   do this, this is licence infringement'  Some of them are members
 of this
   community that 'get it'...they know.
  
   Claiming ignorance now and not removing the offending feeds is just
   compounding and really frustrating me.
  
   I am surprised we haven't heard more from the founding members
 here aside
   from Peter.
  
Comments?
  
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 On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell jdowdell@
wrote:
   
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Being the
 center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are
 incentives
 for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity.

 You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
 rips
   off
 your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
 matter if
 they get something other than little green tickets in return?
   
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Peter Van Dijck

On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Adding linkbacks to the entries is not enough.

 The issue is rehosting content that you do not have permission to
 rehost and assuming it falls under your own terms of use

Exactly.

Here's what I want to see Veoh do:

1) Stop spidering feeds today (and I mean today). Just turn it off for
a few weeks while this gets figured out.

2) Remove ALL videos you gathered by spidering. Only add videos back
in if the feed owner claims the feed and gives permission for that.
Transcoding and hosting should be opt-in. I think that's clear.

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/8/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Adding linkbacks to the entries is not enough.
 
  The issue is rehosting content that you do not have permission to
  rehost and assuming it falls under your own terms of use
 
 Exactly.
 
 Here's what I want to see Veoh do:
 
 1) Stop spidering feeds today (and I mean today). Just turn it off for
 a few weeks while this gets figured out.
 
 2) Remove ALL videos you gathered by spidering. Only add videos back
 in if the feed owner claims the feed and gives permission for that.
 Transcoding and hosting should be opt-in. I think that's clear.
 

Also, since I claimd a feed.  I want to the 3) option to unclaim it
and remove veoh from pulling from it.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread robert a/k/a r

Adding link-backs is not the point.  If you are extending such and 
offer to Veoh please make it clear it's not representative of an 
agreement by any class copyrightholders who may be vloggers on this 
list and your own personal offer.



On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:52 PM, Jay dedman wrote:

 It is in our marketing group's to-do list, and is on my calendar.  I
 have already approved the budget for the terabyte sponsorship.

 From the vloggercon web site --

 Vloggercon needs sponsorships to keep the price of the conference
 down– we aren't a bunch of Hollywood Fat Cats, y'know. We are the
 personal media revolution. Vloggercon is on a mission: to raise
 $20,000 for NODE101. This money will help fund small groups to spread
 the word about personal media and videoblogging. Your sponsorship is
 needed for us to achieve this goal– think about the children!

 We would like to contribute to the cause.
 Are you one of the organizers?  Do you not want us to sponsor?

 For the record, Veoh's PR people sent an email earlier this week to
 get details on Vloggercon sponsorship.  nothing has been finalized
 yet.

 As to this whole thread, I think people want to see a quick solution.
 It should not be our responsibility to claim feeds or email Veoh if we
 want our work taken down.
 either stop spidering and delete work that was not volunarily 
 submitted...
 or add obvious linkbacks to each entry.

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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear







This is almost funny. You've assigned "jibber jabber: the eddie
underworld" to my account. This is Eddie Codel's feed,
http://eddie.com/  http://blip.tv/users/view/ekai , not mine.
Please remove this immediately from my account and you should also
remove pulling his feed into veoh. The best thing to do is just remove
all feeds you have spidered without permission from blip.tv and other
sources. 

 -- Enric
 -===-
 http://www.cirne.com

tedunning wrote:

  Enric,

I just short-circuited the claiming process and assigned this vlog to
you along with all videos in it.

(and in the process finally twigged to the fact that cirne is enric
backwards... I guess I am focussing elsewhere just now)

Let me know if you want to change anything on that vlog.  You can
reach me directly at 858 414 0013.

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I sent an email on my videos for Cirne and got the series ID to claim
it.  I replied that my other vlog, Tech Alley (
http://techalley.cirne.com/ ) , is also showing up on veoh and how to
get the series id to claim it.  A samples is this:



  
  http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e13718feature=1numResults=20likeVideo=e13854
  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread mikehudack

This is just unacceptable.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My videos from the blip.tv feed are still up on veoh -- and they don't
 appear to be associated to my blip.tv blog.  Here's an example:
 

http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e35579feature=1numResults=20query=dabble
 http://tinyurl.com/s2wqk
 
   -- Enric
 
 --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mikehudack mike@ wrote:
 
  This is exactly what I asked of Dmitry when I spoke with him on the
  phone yesterday.  I told him that I felt his best move was to
  immediately remove all of this content and start from a clean, opt-in
  only slate.  I also asked him to remove all blip video from Veoh.
  
  Apparently he misunderstood, because so far he has only removed videos
  from the main blip.tv RSS feed -- but none of the videos of specific
  videoblogs hosted by blip.
  
  Something has to give here, and soon.
  
  Yours,
  
  Mike
  Co-founder, blip.tv
  
  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck
  petervandijck@ wrote:
  
   The point I am trying to make is: I want action, and removing all
 videos
   (not just feeds, videos) they gathered without opt-in would be a
 start.
   
   Peter
   --
   http://mefeedia.com
   
   On 4/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
   
 On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote:
   
  What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this
 out for
 comments here.

   
Acceptable response?  I am annoyed by Veoh's response already.  A
  better
question would be 'what is an acceptable action'.  All I've
heard is
reposnse and not seen action.
   
I've requested 3 times that they remove my feed.  Once to
Jarrod (a
developer there) and twice to Dmitry after he emailed me
personallyasking to talk on the phone sometime.  I don't want
  talk, I
want action.
   
His words mean nothing without action.  The only action I've seen
  him take
is to disable the big feeds, like blip, ourmedia, etc.  Does that
  tell us
that us little people don't matter enough for him to act now? 
  Doesn't sound
like 'friendly actions'
   
Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hosting
 should be opt-in.

 That would mean that:
 1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from
  their site.
 2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have
  claimed
 and where the feed owners have given permission for them to
  re-host.

   
I agree
   
 For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge
 companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
 understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.

   
I judge companies by acitons as well.  See above what I think of
 their
actions.
   
I agree with a lot of people saying that Veoh is a good site, they
  have a
lot to offer...but, I really have a hard time swallowing the fact
  that out
of everyone on the Veoh team, no one stood up and said...'hey
  wait, we can't
do this, this is licence infringement'  Some of them are members
  of this
community that 'get it'...they know.
   
Claiming ignorance now and not removing the offending feeds is
just
compounding and really frustrating me.
   
I am surprised we haven't heard more from the founding members
  here aside
from Peter.
   
 Comments?
   
Peter
--
http://mefeedia.com
   
On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote:
  On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell jdowdell@
 wrote:

  Little green tickets of money are one way to be selfish.
 Being the
  center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are
  incentives
  for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity.
 
  You're still not respecting the rights of creators. If someone
  rips
off
  your website, blog, search history, financial data, does it
  matter if
  they get something other than little green tickets in return?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread Devlon

fyi, I've been in touch with Ted at Veoh (he contacted me) and has
removed my feeds from thier network.

It still shows up in searches, but anyone trying to see the media gets
a message indicating that it is not available.

I am not sure if this is becuase things have to be done manually, or
that it took me repeating myself to them that I wanted my stuff
removed...

On 4/8/06, mikehudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This is just unacceptable.


  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   My videos from the blip.tv feed are still up on veoh -- and they don't
   appear to be associated to my blip.tv blog.  Here's an example:
  
  
 http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e35579feature=1numResults=20query=dabble
   http://tinyurl.com/s2wqk
  
 -- Enric
  
   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mikehudack mike@ wrote:
   
This is exactly what I asked of Dmitry when I spoke with him on the
phone yesterday.  I told him that I felt his best move was to
immediately remove all of this content and start from a clean, opt-in
only slate.  I also asked him to remove all blip video from Veoh.
   
Apparently he misunderstood, because so far he has only removed videos
from the main blip.tv RSS feed -- but none of the videos of specific
videoblogs hosted by blip.
   
Something has to give here, and soon.
   
Yours,
   
Mike
Co-founder, blip.tv
   
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Peter Van Dijck
petervandijck@ wrote:

 The point I am trying to make is: I want action, and removing all
   videos
 (not just feeds, videos) they gathered without opt-in would be a
   start.

 Peter
 --
 http://mefeedia.com

 On 4/8/06, Devlon duthied@ wrote:
 
   On 4/8/06, Peter Van Dijck petervandijck@ wrote:
 
What is an acceptable response from Veoh? I'm throwing this
   out for
   comments here.
  
 
  Acceptable response?  I am annoyed by Veoh's response already.  A
better
  question would be 'what is an acceptable action'.  All I've
  heard is
  reposnse and not seen action.
 
  I've requested 3 times that they remove my feed.  Once to
  Jarrod (a
  developer there) and twice to Dmitry after he emailed me
  personallyasking to talk on the phone sometime.  I don't want
talk, I
  want action.
 
  His words mean nothing without action.  The only action I've seen
him take
  is to disable the big feeds, like blip, ourmedia, etc.  Does that
tell us
  that us little people don't matter enough for him to act now?
Doesn't sound
  like 'friendly actions'
 
  Here's one I personally could live with: this kind of re-hosting
   should be opt-in.
  
   That would mean that:
   1) They remove ALL videos they've spidered and rehosted from
their site.
   2) They only keep the ones for feeds that the feed owners have
claimed
   and where the feed owners have given permission for them to
re-host.
  
 
  I agree
 
   For me, that makes sense. I don't think Veoh is evil, I judge
   companies by their actions. And this action would tell me: We
   understand why this was wrong, and we're fixing it for real.
  
 
  I judge companies by acitons as well.  See above what I think of
   their
  actions.
 
  I agree with a lot of people saying that Veoh is a good site, they
have a
  lot to offer...but, I really have a hard time swallowing the fact
that out
  of everyone on the Veoh team, no one stood up and said...'hey
wait, we can't
  do this, this is licence infringement'  Some of them are members
of this
  community that 'get it'...they know.
 
  Claiming ignorance now and not removing the offending feeds is
  just
  compounding and really frustrating me.
 
  I am surprised we haven't heard more from the founding members
here aside
  from Peter.
 
   Comments?
 
  Peter
  --
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  On 4/8/06, Andreas Haugstrup solitude@ wrote:
On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 02:12:39 +0200, John Dowdell jdowdell@
   wrote:
  
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   Being the
center of attention is another way to be selfish. There are
incentives
for Slashdot and Digg, just as for any commercial entity.
   
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  off
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matter if
they get something other than little green tickets in return?
  
   Legally, yes.
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread Michael Verdi




How hard is it to delete stuff? Comon!My videos are on there. I haven't claimed my feed and I'm not going to. I'm also not going to ask that they remove them because I shouldn't have to. I'm waiting for them to align their actions with their words.
How long will it take?What really makes this bullshit is that they know this is wrong and they have known it's wrong. They didn't just figure it out yesterday when these email started. They just got caught yesterday.
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

I really hope they dont remove my videos. I've now found 3 there that
I have never given my permission for them to show.

I am going to be talking to a lawyer Monday and registering the 3
videos that I've found so far with the US Copyright Office.

David
http://www.davidhowellstudios.com

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How hard is it to delete stuff? Comon!
 My videos are on there. I haven't claimed my feed and I'm not going
to. I'm
 also not going to ask that they remove them because I shouldn't have
to. I'm
 waiting for them to align their actions with their words.
 How long will it take?
 
 What really makes this bullshit is that they know this is wrong and they
 have known it's wrong. They didn't just figure it out yesterday when
these
 email started. They just got caught yesterday.
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread Devlon

On 4/8/06, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How hard is it to delete stuff? Comon!
 My videos are on there. I haven't claimed my feed and I'm not going to. I'm
 also not going to ask that they remove them because I shouldn't have to. I'm
 waiting for them to align their actions with their words.
 How long will it take?

 What really makes this bullshit is that they know this is wrong and they
 have known it's wrong. They didn't just figure it out yesterday when these
 email started. They just got caught yesterday.

Yes, yes, yes.  This is what frustrates me the most about all of this.
 Dmitry can tell us all he wants how much of a friend of vloggers he
wants to be, but it's empty.


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-08 Thread kelly belly

On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Andreas Haugstrup wrote:
 (and who's going to pay $20 to register each vlog entry?)

I know that this applies for photos -- so it most likely also applies  
to video -- but you do have the option for group registration if  
you have several works that are all part of one series.

I register most of my photographs... for me, one series is all the  
photographs I've published on the web in the past three months. So  
for the $30 registration fee I can get several hundred photos  
copyrighted.

Maybe I should start doing this for my videos...


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

2006-04-08 Thread Eddie Codel

that's weird. i'm waiting to see how this all shakes out before i decide
if i want my feeds removed. i think i'm happy for it to be there as long as 
there
is proper attribution and link backs.

-eddie

On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 10:51:23AM -0700, Enric wrote:
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 head
   meta content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type
   title/title
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 body bgcolor=#ff text=#00
 tt
 
 This is almost funny.nbsp; You've assigned jibber jabber: the eddie
 underworld to my account.nbsp; This is Eddie Codel's feed,
 a class=moz-txt-link-freetext 
 href=http://eddie.com/;http://eddie.com//a amp;nbsp; a 
 class=moz-txt-link-freetext 
 href=http://blip.tv/users/view/ekai;http://blip.tv/users/view/ekai/a , 
 not mine.nbsp;
 Please remove this immediately from my account and you should also
 remove pulling his feed into veoh.nbsp; The best thing to do is just remove
 all feeds you have spidered without permission from blip.tv and other
 sources. br
 br
 nbsp; -- Enricbr
 nbsp; -===-br
 nbsp; a class=moz-txt-link-freetext 
 href=http://www.cirne.com;http://www.cirne.com/abr
 br
 tedunning wrote:
 blockquote cite=[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite
   pre wrap=Enric,
 
 I just short-circuited the claiming process and assigned this vlog to
 you along with all videos in it.
 
 (and in the process finally twigged to the fact that cirne is enric
 backwards... I guess I am focussing elsewhere just now)
 
 Let me know if you want to change anything on that vlog.  You can
 reach me directly at 858 414 0013.
 
 --- In a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated 
 href=mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com;videoblogging@yahoogroups.com/a,
  Enric a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E href=mailto:[EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/a wrote:
   /pre
   blockquote type=cite
 pre wrap=I sent an email on my videos for Cirne and got the series ID 
 to claim
 it.  I replied that my other vlog, Tech Alley (
 a class=moz-txt-link-freetext 
 href=http://techalley.cirne.com/;http://techalley.cirne.com//a ) , is 
 also showing up on veoh and how to
 get the series id to claim it.  A samples is this:
 
 
 /pre
   /blockquote
   pre wrap=!a class=moz-txt-link-freetext 
 href=http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e13718feature=1numResults=20likeVideo=e13854;http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e13718amp;feature=1amp;numResults=20amp;likeVideo=e13854/a
   /pre
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[videoblogging] Re: Veoh ** We are hearing you loud and clear

Well cool, they removed the claim in my veoh account of your vlogs,
Eddie.  You can probably get your feed associated to your account on
veoh.  Email them with some sample urls of your video entries in veoh.
 On your veoh page you can put your website.

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Eddie Codel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 that's weird. i'm waiting to see how this all shakes out before i decide
 if i want my feeds removed. i think i'm happy for it to be there as
long as there
 is proper attribution and link backs.
 
 -eddie
 
 On Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 10:51:23AM -0700, Enric wrote:
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  This is almost funny.nbsp; You've assigned jibber jabber: the eddie
  underworld to my account.nbsp; This is Eddie Codel's feed,
  a class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href=http://eddie.com/;http://eddie.com//a amp;nbsp; a
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href=http://blip.tv/users/view/ekai;http://blip.tv/users/view/ekai/a
, not mine.nbsp;
  Please remove this immediately from my account and you should also
  remove pulling his feed into veoh.nbsp; The best thing to do is
just remove
  all feeds you have spidered without permission from blip.tv and other
  sources. br
  br
  nbsp; -- Enricbr
  nbsp; -===-br
  nbsp; a class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href=http://www.cirne.com;http://www.cirne.com/abr
  br
  tedunning wrote:
  blockquote cite=[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite
pre wrap=Enric,
  
  I just short-circuited the claiming process and assigned this vlog to
  you along with all videos in it.
  
  (and in the process finally twigged to the fact that cirne is enric
  backwards... I guess I am focussing elsewhere just now)
  
  Let me know if you want to change anything on that vlog.  You can
  reach me directly at 858 414 0013.
  
  --- In a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href=mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com;videoblogging@yahoogroups.com/a,
Enric a class=moz-txt-link-rfc2396E
href=mailto:enric@;enric@/a wrote:
/pre
blockquote type=cite
  pre wrap=I sent an email on my videos for Cirne and got
the series ID to claim
  it.  I replied that my other vlog, Tech Alley (
  a class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href=http://techalley.cirne.com/;http://techalley.cirne.com//a ) ,
is also showing up on veoh and how to
  get the series id to claim it.  A samples is this:
  
  
  /pre
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href=http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e13718feature=1numResults=20likeVideo=e13854;http://www.veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e13718amp;feature=1amp;numResults=20amp;likeVideo=e13854/a
/pre
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