2011/6/25 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com:
Well it might be if the reactor were at the bottom of a tea pot, and the
output at the top of the pot. But the input and output to the reactor are
both horizontal at the same level.
here was your misunderstanding. This is not true, because water
2011/6/25 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
wrote:
2011/6/25 Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com:
Well it might be if the reactor were at the bottom of a tea pot, and the
output at the top of the pot. But the input
2011/6/25 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
A tea pot has no means to overflow. Water is not continually added. It is
also not designed like a percolator, with large confined boiling
compartment, and a narrow short chimney.
It does not require much engineering to modify tea pot that it
Jeff,
thermometer was calibrated and unlike common belief, boiling point was not
100 degrees, but 99.7°C ± 0.1.
The fact is that steam must be dry if it's temperature is above 100.1 °C ±
0.1 at atmospheric pressure.
—Jouni
E-Cat can be fabricated on all possible levels, because we do not know very
little relevant details about the setup. However waterflow is not probable
because Mats Lewan collected condensated steam into blue bucket. He would
probably have seen if there had flown some 12 liters of water into small
On Jun 26, 2011 5:55 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote:
So, we have no evidence about how much steam exits directly from the
Rossi device into the hose.
Actually i heard that Mats Lewan crudely estimated that about half of the
water was evaporated. Remaining half was overflowed or
Mark, thanks for providing error margins. I think that this means that the
accuracy when measuring delta-T, is ±0.1°C, but it's accuracy without
calibration is ±0.4°C. Therefore thermometer was calibrated that boiling
point was 99.7°C. Henceforth thermometer measures accurately.
To add one
Very good response by Andrea. We see that those movie clowns have also
infiltrated Vortex, like Joshua, Abd and few other pseudoskeptics. One thing
also what must be considered, but what was ignored by pseudoskeptics was
that the room temperature was over 30 degrees. This makes steam less visible
also
be from chemical sources, they are not excluded. But this not what was said
but asumption was that there was just two orders of magnitude measurement
error what is just ridiculous.
On Jun 29, 2011 5:33 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
On 11-06-29 10:23 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote
On Jun 29, 2011 6:03 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
You yourself argued at length that the temperature
is not above the boiling point, as evidenced by its
perfectly flat nature. You argued it was because only
liquid water is heated directly. If the steam is dry
and above the
Abd wrote: My operating position has become that the public information
does not allow us to come to clear conclusions about the Rossi claims. If
I'm correct, then those who do, in fact, make claims of clear conclusion,
either way, are merely displaying bias. It shouldn't be suprising, bias is
I think that proper interpretation is that this just falsifies inflation
theory of cosmology, but we did already knew this that inflation theory does
not have any relevance with our cosmos. Only thing that can rival inflation
theory in ludicrousness is the theory of dark matter!
But I am glad if
If considered that in E-Cat there is constantly flowing cool water to
replenish boiled water, then it is quite obvious that 2.5 kilowatt is
very much possible with Mats' E-Cat. However Steven's E-Cat was
malfunctioning while video was shot.
That stove was quite modern, therefore it is likely that
Damon, Nasa wants a cheap power source in order to deliver cargo to the
orbit. And power for ion engines that enable fast deep space missions to the
asteroids, Mars and beyond.
E-Cat is perfect power source for aeroplane, but it can be applied also for
launch vehicle.
On Jul 13, 2011 2:14 PM,
2011/7/15 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
I don't know what it is about this, but Jed seems to have lost his ability
to read and understand Of course, it could be me, I suppose. Aren't we
always the last to know?
I think that it is both, because you speak different language. You
2011/7/15 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
I must say, I'm appalled at how much time has been wasted on
inadequate demonstrations.
This is surprising considering that anyone here has never said
anything that those demonstrations has any scientific relevance. That
is simply because they
Julian Brown wrote:
Basically, the whole set up defies even approximate quantitative
calorimetric analysis.
This is nonsensical speculation. E-Cat is designed to be a standard
boiling water reactor and boiling water reactor is exactly similar
setup than a kettle. And we know that tea pots do
2011/7/18 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
teapots don't have a fixed water flow input. Rather, water is added
when the level declines.
This is irrelevant difference. Water flow is there only to ensure that
water level does not drop below reactor core, so that core does not
expose to
1MW demoplant will produce ca. 414°C steam. It is completely irrelevant if
it really works in scientific way or not, because it will be only a
demonstration for journalists and politicians. If you want real proof, you
can pay and preorder your own E-Cat and if you do not get what was promised,
you
2011/7/18 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
P.J van Noorden wrote:
It is very important to notice that water boils at 100.5 C when the
outside air pressure is 1030 mBar, which can be the case when a high
pressure system is covering Italy . . .
In the April 28 tests, Lewan reported: we
2011/7/19 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
At 03:15 PM 7/19/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
The 120 kW excursion makes the 18-hr test less credible to me. It means
that during that excursion the delta T between the ecat walls and the water
would have to increase by an order of magnitude. If
Abd ul-Rahman wrote: My conclusion is that there is very likely *some*
overflow water, but it might be small. I have no way of telling how much
there is, the demonstrations were not set up to make it possible to tell.
This is probably correct analysis. I think that this is possible to
calculate
1200W±200W and water was just overflowing.
—Jouni
PS. Here is my explanation and working theory how E-Cat is functioning:
-- Forwarded message --
From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
Date: 2011/7/20
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement
One interesting conspiracy theory hole is that in all demonstrations
(January, March and May) total excess energy production was roughly 22
MJ, what is energy contained in 170 g of hydrogen. This kind of
coincidence could be easily interpreted that there is somewhere small
hidden hydrogen bottle
I re-watched Krivit's video and got confirmation for this
interpretation. Temperature anomaly was there just 100.1°C and steam
production only fraction of Lewan's E-Cat. Therefore we can estimate
that Krivit's E-Cat produced, while video was filmed, something like
1000W±200W total power.
So, here
Craig, indeed that is true, liquid water does not contribute to the pressure
at all, because water does not gently flow out of the E-Cat, but is spilled
due to rather violent boiling at kW range in closed container.
Only thing that contributes for the pressure is steam flow pressure out of
the
Damon, little two sec googling with cell phone gave me this link:
http://brewery.org/library/SteInjCS1295.html
It says that all boiling chambers produces about 98% dry steam. Therefore
wetness measurement that was 1.4-1.2% feels very reliable. I think that
wetness depens slightly on temperature
Perhaps auxiliary heater is for preheating inlet water so that the
temperature gradient of water is smoother. This would help to maintain more
constant temperature in the core and thus increase controllability, as heat
energy from reactor core is used for making steam at constant temperature,
but
2011/7/22 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
However, claims that the data is contradictory, on the basis of steam
pressure calculations, seem to fail.
Thanks for these calculations – they sound reasonable. For me it seems
that E-Cat worked properly only in Mats Lewan's hands where
2011/7/22 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
Essentially, burden is a social construct, it doesn't exist aside from
human conventions. There is no burden meter.
Again you are on a roll! This burden of proof argument is silly and
widely spread pseudoargument.
Usually it works, because
Jed wrote:
If cold fusion starts to succeed in a big way, then I expect many
people in the fossil fuel industry will begin to fear it
Thanks again for excellent post! But I think that even this is
exaggerating, because in oil industry people who has there real power
are also immeasurable
and
empty words they really does something concrete.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsqSEw6Nti8sns=em
I also need to upgrade slightly my previous estimations. For March E-Cat
1.6kW, April 2.4 kW and June E-Cat 1.4 kW.
On Jul 21, 2011 1:07 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 28, 2011 6:07 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, better and even simpler- but from some reasons (temperature
difference, control) Rossi prefers steam.
For me Rossi's choice does make perfect sense, because purpose of these
steam generators is not to produce warm water,
Peter,
producing low pressure steam is not the point, but to produce high pressure
steam when E-Cats are scaled up and connected in serial and paraller for 1MW
plant. It is claimed by Defkalion that E-Cat is able to produce 414°C steam
in high pressure. This is what scaling up means here.
On Jul 29, 2011 12:29 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
wrote:
As I said, my feeling is that he prefers steam because it proves the
thing
works at high temperature. Also, it is a little more convenient to work
with. The flow of water is lower and you can use a weight scale
On Jul 30, 2011 3:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote:
It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been
presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet.
No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out,
Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was
also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources). Therefore he
is within the greates fraud of cold fusion or tells truth that world is
saved, because he knows with certainty whether E-Cat is for real or a hoax.
2011/8/3 Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com:
Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out,
as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed
the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently
about well controlled
2011/8/3 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
Considering Jouni's recent challenge:
...I will challenge you for 40 euros that Rossi does
not do a fraud. If E-Cat is true, you pay 40 euros to charity,
and if not I pay 40 euros for charity.
Perhaps Charles and Hope should
2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
I've done a great deal of research on this topic.
Problem is that mere research is not enough, because you need to be
able to do your own conclusions from data and that includes reading
other people's mind from between the lines. This is very
2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
Now, if you assessed the probability at 70%, rationally you would bet 40
euros against a lesser amount from me. Suppose my bet is X euros. Forget the
charity thing, it complicates it.
It is impossible to assess probabilities for one time
Any probe that measures temperature in boiling water system measures
also pressure. That is because boiling point of water is directly
depended on pressure.
- Jouni
2011/8/5 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com:
Daniel, *you* are wrong!
The ONLY *preassure* probe that can be connected is
2011/8/5 Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com:
They claims that tehy have measured a temperature 100 C degrees and a
pression equal to ambient preassure, so they claims that the steam is dry.
They may claim whatever they want, but it is impossible that there is
ambient pressure, since E-Cat is
2011/8/5 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com:
This is the reason why you need to know only one measured variable
from E-Cat and that is the temperature of steam.
You need also RH to make sure there is no mist.
Mist does not contribute for the pressure and hence the temperature of
boiling
2011/8/5 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com:
I am talking about the need for the RH quantity,
to make sure that there isn't enough liquid mass to invalidate the output
power.
This kind of setup, that there is no liquid mass with steam, is
impossible, because it is not stable. Water inflow must
2011/8/6 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
I meant the winmail.dat attachment ... but that seems to be attached to all
your posts. I thought it contained the scoop on your hold the presses.
That results from Jones' use of
2011/8/5 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
The device has a pressure sensor in it,
the pressure sensor is not in the probe. It's looking like Galantini assumed
he was getting a pressure reading from the probe he'd placed in the E-cat,
hence his error.
This is too simple explanation!
2011/8/6 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
At 10:17 AM 8/5/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Any probe that measures temperature in boiling water system measures
also pressure. That is because boiling point of water is directly
depended on pressure.
Jouni, you can't see the forest
2011/8/6 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
Boilers, however, do not ordinarily have liquid water spilling over the edge
of a hole in the side of the boiler, at a pace determined by the difference
between the pumped rate and the vaporization rate. If there is substantial
steam (my very
Global negative income tax
There would be radical sounding, but very plausible solution for all
war and absolute poverty related social problems. That is ca. $1000
annual negative income tax for each adult citizens of Earth
indifferently on their past history or current wealth.
This may sound
2011/8/6 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com:
You propose to end war with a
global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power
seekers the ability to wage war.
I have not seen a war in 66 years, because I live in civilized and
rich country. Believe me, war is something
2011/8/6 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com:
On 11-08-06 11:04 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/8/6 Craig Hayniecchayniepub...@gmail.com:
You propose to end war with a
global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power
seekers the ability to wage war.
I have not seen
2011/8/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
I think we will need to do something like this when robots and computers
eliminate most human labor. We need a gradual transition so a system along
these lines. See:
http://www.thelightsinthetunnel.com/
- Jed
I think that according synopsis,
]:Re: [e-cat] Engineer from delta ohm confirms that
galantini instrument is useless
To: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
At 12:48 PM 8/6/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
I do not know who was that crack pot who first introduced this concept
of very wet steam. In steam industry, they pay lots
This is something. Hopefully it just tells that neither Defkalion nor Rossi
has real resources to make this technology commercially viable soon enough
and Rossi will just make technology publicly available and protected only by
Italian and soon international patent.
If this is not going to
2011/8/7 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:
Even if they have no money presently to meet a deadline which had been
agreed to months ago (as reported), the fact remains that if they somehow
got hold of the industrial secret which they claim to have already, and
were able to advance the technology
It may come for a surprise for many, but there is no such thing as water
boiler that produces a steam with quality much less than 95%, in close to
normal pressure. Very wet steam just is not stable state, because surface
tension makes sure that wetness in steam is quickly converted into liquid
On Aug 8, 2011 6:45 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Uh, Jouni, the wetness in steam is liquid water
droplets. What did you think it was?
You do not have sense of what is large droplet and and what is tiny droplet
such as in fog.
But I pardon me, that i should make this
I think that Defkalion lies with statement. The economic value of E-Cat is
about 86 teradollars per year. Therefore there is just no such economic
influence that could have any impact on E-Cat. If Exxon tries to influence
to E-Cat it is like a mosquito trying to influence the orbit of Earth.
Terry, if i take a peek into stock markets, the difference is nonexisting!
;-)
On Aug 8, 2011 3:29 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think that Defkalion lies with statement. The economic value of E-Cat
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Harry
From: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:36:43 AM
Subject: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax
Global negative income tax
There would be radical sounding, but very plausible solution for all
war
2011/8/9 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Since Rossi was able to keep the thing from overflowing when Galantini
observed the tests, why do you think he was unable to do this when Krivit
was watching the test?
When Galantini observed the test, they had large version of E-Cat that
can store
2011/8/9 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote:
This also means that ictu oculi is very unreliable
way to make reliable confirmation.
He withdrew the probe and looked at it. It was dry. It would wet if there
was water flowing through the machine
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This is
Luckily Daniele did not post that Nasa paper, where they speculated
that LENR may have contributed for the WTC collapse in 9/11. Ok, it
was once again one of those Daniele's overly emphasized scoops.
Fleischmann and Pons were right
2011/8/9 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
I do not think it overflows, but even if it does, that does not preclude
real heat. I suppose it would reduce the amount of heat, as Abd says. It
would also prevent steam from coming out of the end of the hose, as Storms
says. Therefore I doubt it
as temperature
variations. I do not see that it is possible for Mats to fail to see power
manipulation, because he observed two full demonstrations.
—Jouni
On Aug 10, 2011 6:33 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
At 11:56 PM 8/8/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman, in this reasoning
My guess will be Nasa and 1MW Demonstration will be held in Kennedy Space
Center, Florida. Great symbol that Rossi looks with his technology forward
beyond this planet, and ignores any immediate commercial plans as mere
chattering.
—Jouni
On Aug 10, 2011 11:59 AM, Michael Ivanov
Galantini stated a fact from manual: «4- The thermometers have a margin of
error of +/- 0,05 Celsius»
Lomax replied with speculation: «This depends on the probe. However, from
other data (such as probe rated temperature of 150 C.) the probe has an
accuracy of +/- 0.4 C. He's greatly overstated
Galantini stated a fact from manual: «4- The thermometers have a margin of
error of +/- 0,05 Celsius»
Lomax replied with speculation: «This depends on the probe. However, from
other data (such as probe rated temperature of 150 C.) the probe has an
accuracy of +/- 0.4 C. He's greatly overstated
Sorry about accidental double post. My cell phone blundered and resent old
draft. First post is is the correct one, latter is unfortunate draft. —Jouni
Hallo!
I have discussed on other forum about cold fusion. I have, however
some problems with arguments, because those critics used very powerful
sounding, but probably false argument, that if cold fusion is real,
why it is published on B-rate scientific journals? I tried to explain,
that they are
Thanks for this post. I have bet 100 euros that there is no such thing
as dark matter, that has significant effect on rotation curves of
galaxies. Therefore it is specially good to hear such news!
–Jouni
2011/8/12 Mark Iverson markiver...@charter.net:
Just an FYI:
CERN physicist Dragan
some time.
So special thank you for that!
–Jouni
2011/8/12 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com:
At 06:30 AM 8/11/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Therefore if someone knows some high impact factor journals that has
published recent could fusion findings, I would appreciate to have
some
Alan, i am not sure what was the method that you used to end up into 4.4 kW.
But there was that youtube video where it was boiled 4.4kW water with Rossi
like setup. And there was considerably more steam than with Krivit's E-Cat.
Also it is easier to calculate the total output of E-Cat calculating
This kind of texts reminds me how utterly close minded people often are.
They try to reduce all global environmental problems into single variable,
but are totally blind for the forest as a whole.
Indeed, humans have destroyed over 3 gigahectares of forest and some silly
scientists are worrying
Skepticalscience.com is perhaps the worst quality page on climate science!
There is nothing skeptical, but only one, partial truth or even too often,
falsified truth accepted. Also I have not read all the articles there, but I
would think it odd that there is any relevant articles that deal with
Hallo,
I stumbled upon in the internet a very simple method for doing
extremely accurate (up to two or three significant digits, depending
on insulation) calorimetric analysis for any water boiler. Method is
simple and all measurements are accurate:
– Just weight 5 kg water into bucket.
–
Susan, I am sure that Jed Rothwell is one of the VVHL-scientist, who
will be present at 1MW demonstration. Rossi also promised that single
self-sustaining E-Cat module is tested, for accurate calorimetric
analysis.
–Jouni
2011/8/19 Susan Gipp susan.g...@gmail.com:
Can you try to pass along
I apologize the environmentalist off-topic, but really I cannot avoid
writing this.
2011/8/19 Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com:
Another good reason to move to vertical farming, which I
hope will be made affordable by CF technology.
Also desert farming is plausible alternative. It does not
2011/8/23 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com:
It CONFIRMS my dryout point hypothesis.
It really does not confirm your hypothesis.^^ But it does indeed
confirm my hypothesis that water inflow rate was 1-3 kg/h and total
heating power was around 810 W, i.e. only electric heater active, and
steam
Alan, you should explain more. I fail completely see your point, how does it
confirm your hypothesis? Or at least you cannot make any calculations from
your idea of dryout, therefore it seems to be rather irrelevant concept.
You also are misusing physical concepts. E-Cat produces always high
2011/8/23 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Along similar lines, the tests with steam do not produce such easily
understood, irrefutable results. But the weakness of these tests does not
call into question the flowing water test.
It is kind of sad that Levi refuses to admit that he did poor
Quite simply, 1MW demo will show commersially ready prototype. Single
modules that were thusfar shown, were just lab prototypes. And also there
will be also single self-sustaining module tested for accurate calorimetry
in October.
Was this approach right or wrong, it can be debated. I think that
generators linked and how the global parameters will be measured?
Peter
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:53 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com
wrote:
Quite simply, 1MW demo will show commersially ready prototype. Single
modules that were thusfar shown, were just lab prototypes. And also
Horace wrote: «Sparging steam into a bucket, though far better that other
steam methods applied to date on Rossi's devices, and publicly disclosed,
has numerous serious drawbacks, which have already been discussed.»
And where they are discussed and by whom? There might be problems, and first
is
On Aug 25, 2011 5:45 PM, Mattia Rizzi wrote:
In krivit’s video Rossi said that water flow was 7 kg/h.
Rossi is lying.
This is obvious. But question is why Rossi did lie in such a trivial way
that everyone can see it? Lie was so obvious, that it cannot be because
Rossi wanted to mislead
«LENR is another avenue. It's not just about Rossi. If the Rossi thing
doesn't happen, then maybe something else will. Rossi has brought a lot of
attention to the field. Any researchers who have a legitimate claim are
going to benefit from this.»
–Michael A. Nelson, Nasa
On Aug 25, 2011 8:57 PM,
On Aug 27, 2011 2:13 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
«There is some strong evidence that has been missed by most. It is in the
Essen-Kullander report. Unfortunately this was not emphasized in the media,
but if you read the report, it becomes obvious.»
This has been discussed
Jed, there many plausible explanations why Rossi did lie. One of my guesses
is that Rossi did lie to Krivit, because he insulted him and others
therefore he denied the E-Cat demo from Krivit. It depends only your
imagination how many similar and plausible scenarios there might be.
It may be
Joe, I think that you are enormous fiasco yourself, because you are making
aggressive asumptions that does not have any rational basis.
For example you fail to understand even the basics, because metal
temperature cannot exceed 160°C because insulation rubber starts to melt and
burn. This
Brad wrote: «People Magazine spends more time/money investigating Justin
Bieber each week than I see being spent determining the extent of Rossi's
$500T discovery. And pretty much every person on the planet may end up being
financially impacted by such a discovery...»
This is all the reason why
2011/8/30 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
Note especially in RossiThermal2.pdf, in Mode 2, that a mass of between 5
and 10 kg, at initial Mass Temp. of 300*C, provides a 15 minute thermal
decline curve with no nuclear energy involved.
Good thinking, expect that the total metal weight of
Horace wrote: «If you provide numbers for Mass, Thermal Power (before
shutoff), Inlet Temp., Mass Temp., and Inlet Flow then I will then be happy
to provide the corresponding data.»
Perhaps 500 grams was too small value. I re-estimated that if the outer
volume of core chamber is 50cc, then
I think that your grudge against wikipædia is personal and
unjustified. You demand far too much from it as it already exceeds the
reliability standards set by Encyclopædia Britannica by factor of ten,
Or something similar, but it is still growing at huge pace.
–Jouni
2011/8/31 Jed Rothwell
2011/8/30 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Ps. I do not know what model of E-Cat we are talking about. Does we have
pictures? Or is it just some mythical test what was seen by nobody.
The 15 minute heat-after-death event was with the large eCat used in the
January
was only 100 kPa and this is difficult to explain even for 12 kW
heating power. 100kPa overpressure should be more close for 6-9 kW
heating power.
–Jouni
2011/8/31 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
2011/8/30 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Ps. I do not know what
death was
2-8kW, but this is really difficult to estimate, but it was rather
constant. My hunch is that power drop was only 1.2 kW, when E-Cat was
disconnected from external power source.
–Jouni
2011/8/31 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
Small addition, this 6kW figure is minimum possible
to
correct Levi's calculations, or propose straight forward calorimetry,
what Levi forgot to do.
–Jouni
2011/8/31 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
Actually I took still another look for the graph:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_852Sj2_TNC4/TTwDi8cYrtI/E1E/TT603dSfpzs/s1600/report3.jpg
Horace wrote: «What you say might be true if the public tests were
reasonably well done. They weren't. There is thus no reason to believe
closed door results were done any more competently unless sufficient
information is published to make that determination.»
This is not the case. There was
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