On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland
wrote:
> As far as i know, it is the only project that the initiative Women in red
> contribute to, which is the initial subject of this thread.
>
Sidenote: the WikiProject itself does exist on other languages/projects:
https://www.wikidata.o
Hello Todd,
This particular grant request is here on meta.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Dr._Blofeld/Contest_toolkits_and_prize_funds
The talk page has details about the review by the community committee and
also an explanation of the funding that was actually give.
There is ba
Yes it's all on Meta. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start.
JP
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM Todd Allen wrote:
> Are those applications published anywhere? I'd be curious to see it. I'm
> not really familiar with the grant process.
>
> Todd
>
> On Oct 16, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jean-Philippe
Are those applications published anywhere? I'd be curious to see it. I'm
not really familiar with the grant process.
Todd
On Oct 16, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jean-Philippe Béland"
wrote:
> My opinion is that such projects should be supported, we should encourage
> 'be bold'. That being said, people plan
My opinion is that such projects should be supported, we should encourage
'be bold'. That being said, people planning projects at a large scale
should communicate with the concerned communities first. As such, the
concerns raised in this thread for example would have been raised during
the planning
2017-10-16 20:03 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk :
>
>
> While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't.
Definitely
The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are
> considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only
> pick 'safe' projects that w
As far as i know, it is the only project that the initiative Women in red
contribute to, which is the initial subject of this thread.
It certainly is the only project where "Many of the competition articles
will just get tagged CSD - A1, A7, A9 even G2" makes any sense. I am a
sysop on several Wik
2017-10-16 18:27 GMT+02:00 Robert Fernandez :
> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
>
I wrote a pretty different thing: those who use label as "sexist" anyone
who doesn't *completely* agree with them share a rethorical mean with
sexism.
>
> Some people are allowed to mak
I understand from the original email that the venue was chosen based on the
fact that it was WMF-funded as a project. I am guessing he's trying to pull
that leverage.
The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are
considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or shou
Is the English Wikipedia the only Wikipedia which has problems with
misogyny and under-representation of female editors and articles? I am
relieved to hear that!
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Jean-Philippe Béland wrote:
> There is so many threads on this list that are only about English Wiki
Why?
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The people whose opinion should most matter in
+1
> Le 16 oct. 2017 à 19:34, Jean-Philippe Béland a écrit
> :
>
> There is so many threads on this list that are only about English Wikipedia
> like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to
> keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
>
> Jean-
There is so many threads on this list that are only about English Wikipedia
like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to
keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
Jean-Philippe Béland
Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 P
The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a
comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary transmasculine
people like myself.
I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread:
Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Kei
Is that still going on?
I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on Wikipedia.
I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned out
pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on women
involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities b
So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about these
issues. Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, sweeping
generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's
considered just fine, but if you
How can someone rebut such absolute and perfect theorems?
My weak doubts, hypothesis and views must surely surrend to such a bright
parade of Eternal Thruth™.
But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're trying to
contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
To be more clear, blind -because
Based on my own experience on en.wn, I believe copyright/plagiary detection
cannot be fully automated without introducing horrific errors, for the same
reason translation can't be: doing the task properly requires knowing what
the text means.
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:47 AM, James Heilman wrote
Gnangarra admitted to deliberately using a provocative tone to get
attention ("I chose my tone intentionally to draw attention to the
competition"). Acting surprised that people were aggrieved is disingenuous.
On the topic of sexism: the underrepresentation in the Wikimedia community
of every demo
+1 to your email Yaroslav.
I'd just underline Gnangarra's original email wasn't sexist, it's so unfair
to vilify criticism towards contests as sexism.
Vito
2017-10-16 9:33 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter :
> My (rejected) message below anyway.
> [CUT because of boring filter rule]
> Cheers
> Yarosl
y of the
> > competition articles will just get tagged CSD - A1, A7, A9 even G2
> >
> > While there is a nice bot that will count the size of the prose, there is
> > no automated process for checking copyright violations, checking for
> > notability and most importantl
f the
> > competition articles will just get tagged CSD - A1, A7, A9 even G2
> >
> > While there is a nice bot that will count the size of the prose, there is
> > no automated process for checking copyright violations, checking for
> > notability and most importantly ch
st importantly checking for BLP with the aim of 100,000
> the community will years to clean up the mess that is about to be created.
>
> we are 15 days from this disaster commencing
>
> --
> G
> nangarra
>
>
> ------
>
> Message: 2
> Dat
My (rejected) message below anyway.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Yaroslav Blanter wrote:
> Why is my message to this thread getting rejected? It says "Message
> rejected by filter rule match"?
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Yaroslav Blanter
> wro
Why is my message to this thread getting rejected? It says "Message
rejected by filter rule match"?
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Yaroslav Blanter wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I guess we are discussing this contest:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_
> i
This has nothing to do with Gender,
The issue is the standards required and the aim of the event not the
subjects of the content
The event set a minimum standard at 0.75k per article created, new editors
going through articles for creation are required to have 1.5k of prose
which is twice the
Dear All,
I can only agree with GorillaWarfare. I am also tired of having to proove
anything concernig gender has to be perfect, when the whole principle of
Wikipedia is that everything is always perfectible.
I think we should assume good faith and avoid comments.
Doing nothing about the gender
Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that this
will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the
document outlini
Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this
list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her
email address.
"This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some stubs?
And do you really, really think that people won't try to AF
No worries Keegan I read it as sarcastic, given the amount of noise on here
I chose my tone intentionally to draw attention to the competition, yes it
looks like a wonderful idea until to look at the mechanics of comeptition
given it has a start time in 2 weeks, people are being encourage to start
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gergő Tisza wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell
> wrote:
>
> > "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia
> > articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing to
> > write about here."
> >
> >
Nah, the contest is about motivating people to write about a topic area
that is not there normal bailiwick.
That is fine thing to do because the unintended consequences of being
written on a wiki, English Wikipedia initially attracted people who were
less interested in writing about women than the
If I misread that part, my apologies. That still doesn't change the core
issue, that money is being offered, and that it's being offered for
quantity rather than quality.
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Gergo Tisza wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
>
> > This project
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Keegan Peterzell
wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen wrote:
>
> > Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here.
> >
> >
> I didn't. I'm calling out the tone.
>
>
I care if someone's right or wrong, not their tone. If we want to talk
about
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
> This project is going for 100k articles. There are as of this writing 118
> editors signed up. That is, even if we presume 100% participation (which is
> generally wildly optimistic), nearly 1000 articles per editor to reach that
> goal. If so
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell
wrote:
> "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia
> articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing to
> write about here."
>
> That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the subjec
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Gnangarra wrote:
> I cant believe this
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_
> in_Red/The_World_Contest
> has got WMF funding, the idea of trying to create 100,000 stub articles on
> english wikipedia without any thought to how it'll impact
Hoi,
When you read the article you link to, it is explicitly about
destubification and not about new stubs.
Given this intend, I do not see it as a problem. Actually I do not mind
more women entries in Wikidata.. But hey, that is my thing :_
Thanks,
GerardM
On 15 October 2017 at 16:02, Gna
WMSE has run programs with this focus for more then 3 years on svwp.
The result have been roughly
2-3 generated more then 1000 articles
15-25 generated more then 100 articles
100-200 more then 10 articles
around 500 at least one
giving a total of a bit more the 1 new articles of women. And ev
Have you looked at the list of signed up contributors?
Peter
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I cant believe th
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Keegan Peterzell
wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen wrote:
>
>> Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here.
>>
>>
> I didn't. I'm calling out the tone.
>
>
>> We've already had horrible projects to write tons of stubs before, like
>>
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen wrote:
> Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here.
>
>
I didn't. I'm calling out the tone.
> We've already had horrible projects to write tons of stubs before, like the
> "place" bots. And in those cases, we'd know at least roughly what they
Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here.
We've already had horrible projects to write tons of stubs before, like the
"place" bots. And in those cases, we'd know at least roughly what they
would do and how.
This project is going for 100k articles. There are as of this writing 118
editors s
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Gnangarra wrote:
> I cant believe this
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_
> in_Red/The_World_Contest
> has
> got WMF funding, the idea of trying to create 100,000 stub articles on
> english wikipedia without any thought to how it'll impac
There are still over 2,700 known notable women scientists without stubs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_occupation/Scientists
And those are just the women scientists who made it on to Wikidata but
not Wiktionary somehow. The old ISI/Thompson R
"The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia
articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing to
write about here."
That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the subject is
anything else from you, when these thematic editing are held on
Correction:
There is a tool that automatically checks for copyright infringement.
It is called CopyPatrol
https://tools.wmflabs.org/copypatrol/en
James
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Gnangarra wrote:
> I cant believe this
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/The
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