attachments and that too, non-free formats.
Will be more
careful in the future and am sending across the content as text in
e-mail itself.
Thanks for pointing it out.
Best,
Noopur
On Mon,
15 Apr 2013 20:20:40 +0530, Anivar Aravind wrote:
Thanks Arun,
But my emphasis was on organisational
,
Subhashish Panigrahi and Noopur Raval, and one member Dr. U.B. Pavanaja
who is working from Bangalore office. Archives of our newsletters are
here.
Wikipedians from various communities can request for outreach
programs, technical bugs, logistics-merchandize and media, public
relations
Dear all,
Please find attached the Access to Knowledge bulletin
for March 2013.
For feedback, suggestions and queries please do write
to us or you could respond to this thread.
Thank you,
Noopur Raval
Access to Knowledge Newsletter (March 2013).docx
Description: application
if any.
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FYI because I didn't see this reach the India list. Apologies if it has
already.
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Date: March 28, 2013, 3:34:49 AM GMT+05:30
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement
with documentation only.
Apologies for the error. We are
working to fix it in the main newsletter as well.
Thank you,
Noopur
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:01:14 +0500, noopur wrote:
Dear all,
Here is the A2K newsletter for the month of February, 2013.
Wikimedia Foundation, beginning from
to our community :)
Thank you,
Noopur
Links:
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is in Mumbai wants to join!
There are a few Marathi Wikipedians from IIT who have also shown
interest but I am yet to receive a confirmation. Just wanted to tell you
that the good word's spreading :)
Best,
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On Mon, 4 Mar 2013
21:57:20 +0530, Rohini Lakshané wrote:
A few online and offline
FYI. This might have missed the India mailing list. Congratulations
Karthik! :)
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Dear all,
FYI. The jury list is out. Achal, Konarak and I are a part of it. There are
only two bids so far. Arusha and London.
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To: wikimedi
how I came on board. I was approached by
Deror Avi from Israel and his rationale was to have a wider
representation (people from Asia, women, some experience with organizing
events). I hope that answers your question :)
Best,
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On Mon,
18 Feb 2013 10:13:46 +0530, Adethya Sudarsanan wrote
Dear all,
*message attached below*
FYI. I do recollect there being a thread where many of us gave suggestions on what videos we should have, especially for outreach in Indian languages. It would be great if we could propose them here and someone can pick them up to make a video.
Best,
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by/within chapter members. This would
probably also mislead enthusiastic Indian Wikipedians who are not chapter
members to understand that they must streamline all their activities with
existing formal entities.
Best,
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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
srik.r
and undermine their effort?
Best,
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On Jan 3, 2013, at 10:07 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Yuvi
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote:
This happened on IRC over a few hours, between me, quim and harsh. Most of
the conversation was quim
doesn't require a formal identity or does not encroach upon other parallel
entities' activities or privileges.
Just trying to fill the gaps since you might not have the background on
MediaWiki groups conversations. Maybe Quim can correct me if I a mistaken.
Best,
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On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 5
.
After this workshop, I
would be going over to IIT, Madras to meet a bunch of students who have
been editing and want to informally meet up and see what they can do
around Wikipedia in their college. Yuvi would be joining me for both.
Thank you,
Best
Noopur Raval,
Programme Officer,
Centre
Correction:
Time: 1:30 pm - 4:00 pm (flexible)
On Wed, 12 Dec
2012 16:37:13 +0500, noopur wrote:
Dear all,
Metawings, an
organization that holds soft skills training workshops for students
across colleges in India has offered us a day to hold a _free _Wikipedia
workshop on 17th
Dear all,
The talk by Erik Moeller on the state of tech in Wikipedia at CIS office in
Bangalore will be live streamed here:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hasgeek
Thank you,
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* Malayalam Wikipedia Education Program: August to October
Updates [3] (by Shiju Alex, October 29, 2012).
* Gujarat Wikipedia
Education Program: Rajkot [4] (by Noopur Raval, October 31, 2012).
*
Gujarati Wikipedia Article Competition - 10 schools, 200 students, 20
articles
Noopur
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Dhaval S. Vyas dsv...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Noopur/All,
Festive greetings!
Are these events/programs carried out by CIS? Or they include the ones
organised by volunteers and attended by CIS staff as volunteers?
Regards,
Dhaval
On 9 Nov 2012 09:03, noopur
Apologies for replying from my personal e-mail ID, still in the process of
sending mails from the other. :)
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Dhavalbhai,
These are the events where CIS members have provided partnerships/active
support in organizing
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Sending again. Just FYI
Original Message
SUBJECT:
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DATE:
Tue, 23 Oct
2012 12:13:55 +0500
FROM:
noopur
Dear Nikhil,
That's a great suggestion! In fact while making this calendar, I was asking
around if there are better options (almost Wiki format calendars) so that
we have more functionality. I will try out this crowdmap :)
Best
Noopur
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Nikhil Sheth nikhil
this calendar more
efficient.
Thank you,
Best
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Please do attend the Hyderabad meet up if you are in the city on 30th!
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Sweet! Welcome aboard Logic :-)
Look forward to working with you!
Congratulations.
Best,
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On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote:
Thank you Sir!
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Ashwin Baindur
ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote:
Arun, right
project or a
new collaboration like this one? Just starting a conversation :)
Thank you,
Best,
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members involved in education.
Do join me in congratulating the Malayalam community, in wishing this project
the very best of success, in welcoming the students as new editors and in
looking forward to fantastic content from the beautiful Kollam region of Kerala.
Noopur
[1] http://goo.gl/gpFuQ
! :)
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On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Krutikaa Jawanjal krutika...@gmail.comwrote:
Bandra is good. I'll try and talk to TSCE guys if they could help.
On 7/2/12, Noopur Raval nra...@wikimedia.org wrote:
How about a place in Bandra? Would that be convenient to you guys?
On Mon, Jul
Noopur
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 12:18 PM, nikita belavate niki8...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello !
Noopur, we have had past meetups in Bandra with good turnout, so that will
be great! Only thing we felt was that some cafes are bit noisy, so this
time we were thinking of a quieter place. We prefer
Dear Karthik,
Can you just mail me the exact details of your meet up - time, agenda, how
many people, what you will need etc, like a small paragraph? I will forward
that to the Bandra guys and connect you with them. Then, you can coordinate
and fix it.
Best,
Noopur
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:54
,
Noopur
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
Once you log in to the webchat server on freenode, type /join
#wikimedia-office
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Arjun Mangol Kanoth
arjun.man...@gmail.com wrote:
Erm, I think ive got in in the wrong channel
will ensure the
monthly reports come out by the 10th .
Please do respond with your questions and suggestions.
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On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Hisham his
of editors, assessing progress on
Wikiprojects as well as fostering possibilities of new collaborations.
Please join us on *7th June* at *09:30 p.m* IST using this link:
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office.
Thank you,
Best,
Noopur
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Hisham his
on the developments
after the meeting.
Best,
Noopur
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Philippe Beaudette
phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
This makes it clear that this is an independent encyclopaedia initiative.
Wikipedia, Wiki have
Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote:
Noopur, thank you for posting the report. I have a few questions for
the India Programs team which I have listed under, would appreciate if you
could respond:
1. How do you plan on scaling the Social Media pilot beyond your own
networks?
The Social Media
at a time.*
*How It Began*
*Users were adding bhajans of Mirabai to Wikipedia, but according to
Wikipedia’s policies, recipes, poems and song lyrics belong to Wikibooks or
Wikisource, Noopur Raval, Communications Consultant (India Program) at the
Wikimedia Foundation told MediaNama. One user
/06/01/numerals-in-indic-languages-indic-wikipedias-2/
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[5] https://www.facebook.com/groups/OdiaWiki/
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Thank you, Bishakha, on behalf of all the members who contributed. :) You
are welcome to contribute to the next issue!
Best,
Noopur
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote:
I've now read this from top to toe, or at least gone through everything I
had
on
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-newsletter *mailing
list*. I welcome you all to join right away and we can discuss ideas for
features, changing the format and more! :)
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and the social media pilot will begin in the next week.
If you were unable to attend the IRC and have any inputs or feedback,
please do reach out to Nitika (for outreach) and Noopur (for
communications). Here are our email ids: ntan...@wikimedia.org and
noo...@wikimedia.org.
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[1]https
3. Translate these articles to different languages
4. Add images from Commons.
See you tomorrow (online or offline) :)
Thanks!
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Hey guys, just a reminder. IRC starts in 15 minutes.
Regards
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On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Noopur Raval nra...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey folks
The next India Program IRC (2nd for April) is scheduled for Thursday 19th
April at 9 p.m. IST. Do join us using this link:
http
for the wonderful story idea and to Sodabottle,
Logicwiki and others for your inputs, insights and times!
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- but the museum staff will also be available to help out giving insights
and references for articles.
Really hoping to see all of you participate and make this a big success
across languages! :)
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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/CM
[2]
http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki
*fyi *This might be of interest to all the community members including
those who live abroad. If you want to respond, you could reply directly to
Richard and mark Bhakti on it.
Thanks
Noopur
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Date: Fri
,
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of individual community members and how community
collaboration is so magical and constructive!
Thank you,
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[1]
http://blog.wikimedia.in/2012/04/04/realizing-the-dreams-of-communities-3-years-6-users-1000-articles-counting-the-source-of-gujarati-wikisource/
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belong to diverse backgrounds,” Subhashish had said before the meetup began
when there were only four people in the room. Of the 15 Wikipedians present by
the end of the session, at least 11 had been trained as engineers, including
Subhashish.
Noopur said that women were underrepresented
-on-wikipedia/is
his Wiki story covered by Jordan Hu. A very inspiring story indeed!
[1]
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working
on your story!
Don't forget to go through the Netha's
storyhttps://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/27/wiki-women-joining-indic-languages/;
it's really inspiring!
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 14:44, Noopur Raval nra...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I'm writing with regard to Wikipatrika.
Great to hear about the revival, shall
including Subhashish and Noopur who are
existing volunteers.
By 3:30 we had looked around and spotted articles of interest like Gond
painting, Mandana painting, Shekhawati painting etcetera.
It was great to see a diversity in editing interests since there were 4
editors who actually worked
collaboratively. Just an idea.
:)
Thanks
noopur
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
Congratulations you guys! We'll now get to work with the Commons
backend along with the Wikipedia front end. Please provide as detailed
information as possible
Dear Anirudh,
We have already forwarded this to our relevant Wiki loves monuments list
just to avoid flooding this one. Here is the list address:
wlm...@lists.wmnederland.nl.
Just passing it for your information so that we can have more focused
discussions there.
Thanks!
Noopur
On Fri, Mar 16
that we have substantial number of people on the list, we
could just take a vote and figure out the best combination.
Regards
Noopur
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:33, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
We have already
subscription - that way keeping it
out of google, but anyone who wanted to join discussion could just do so
and see the archive. That was like Noopur explained indeed mainly to avoid
that discussions about partners end up on a private mail with many people
in cc. So yeah, there are reasons - but it is up
contributors. Its just a thought, would love to
help document this success story :)
Regards
Noopur
2012/3/14 Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com
Congrats to all Telugu Wikipedians.
Telugu wikipedia is the 3rd Indic Language wikipedia to cross the 50,000
article milestone.
As Naveen mentioned
. Naveen can suggest a name or two that can
be approached?
Regards
Noopur
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote:
I would like to publicly say that I have erred in naming Noopur here. I
did not mean to cast any aspersion on her and her good work and track
Okay, will hang out with the 'wikichix' and tell you :P
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote:
Noopur, thanks for understanding and your kind note.
I would request you to discuss with other women editors during the
Wiki-Edit-a-thon and come up
Thanks for pulling this together Netha :) I am in!
Regards
Noopur
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Netha Hussain nethahuss...@gmail.comwrote:
Thanks Pradeep.
We will be working on 1-4 articles depending upon the volunteer turnout. I
am thinking of conducting a similar Edit-a-thon
in
terms of results? Maybe we should generate a more exhaustive list of items?
Also, are there guidelines for maintenance that we can make (5-7 points) so
that the organizers can follow that up too (just in case they aren't aware
or don't know how to)?
Do let me know what you guys think!
Regards
Noopur
was asked on Commons not to add more than 1-2 categories.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add to what Konarak and Ashwin said, I am guilty as charged. We
kept
Arrey no. Chill ya. You are our biggest success story of the photothon :P
This comment was generally regarding how too many images can make us all
lazy.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.comwrote:
Hey Noopur,
If I sounded accusing, I apologize for that. I
pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
*
** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 14:52, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
All help is welcome
humano.*
*Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.* http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos**
*
** http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 13 March 2012 14:52, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
All help is welcome,
these two categories are a must, you can add further categories if
they already exist
the
copyrights of the article / content. All copyrights are duly acknowledged.
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FYI. Just saw on Santhosh's site:
Might interest the Indic guys if you've not seen it already! Do forward it
to Malayalam list too!
New Version of Malayalam fonts released
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continue every few months.
Just a thought though.
Cheers
Noopur
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Ashwin Baindur
ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote:
We had created the gender task force to give women editors a platform and
I sent out messages to women editors. Sadly, nothing came up though
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look up to Tinu as a mentor. However, this is just my personal opinion.
Thank you
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
hi,
I don't think all events will fall so neatly into categories. I
Rakija. :)
Thank you,
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Dear all,
I am overwhelmed by the warm welcome :) I sincerely hope to be able to meet
all your expectations. Please do not hesitate to guide, correct and suggest
things to me. Looking forward to helping the community!
Warm Regards
Noopur
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay
.
Regards
Noopur
PS. Those interested in Wiki loves monuments, please do join this list so
we can avoid cross posting.
2012/3/5 Lodewijk Gelauff lodew...@wmnederland.nl
Hi Pradeep,
thanks for bringing this on here! Just my two cents and I'll be quiet
again: I think that a list of 3000 is very
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Noopur
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote:
On 3 March 2012 22:21, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
It's a troll. We usually [[Wikipedia:Deny recognition|ignore]]. :-)
Ah! Carry on then. Nothing to see here.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam
English Community?
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi
su...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Here are the answers I have to all of you.
@Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the
community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village
pumps
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learn
to present better? And, its an experience.
Cheers
Noopur
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 16:51, Sohan Maheshwar
sohanmahesh...@gmail.comwrote:
The organizers cut short our time because of their problems
Wow, this is super cool! And, you've set yourself deadlines too :) Glad to
see you pumped up and hope to see the outcome. *claps* :)
Cheers
Noopur
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Shivansh Srivastava
shivansh.b...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have created my User page, envisaging the ideas I
an MoU, I wasn't even aware of this and am
frankly quite surprised they managed to sign one so quickly. I will refrain
from commenting on that.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 18:40, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
I
Read again. Awareness about *editing Wikipedia. *I know everyone knows what
Wikipedia is :)
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
Noopur,
Our websites are top 10 in terms of use and access in this country. A
large proportion of Internet users in India
And regarding an 'informal agreement', I am not trying to pinch here but an
'informal MoU' kind of sounds self-contradictory, no? Also it would be
great if we could have a copy of it publicly, just for future reference on
informal/formal extents of agreements.
thanks much
Noopur
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:37 PM, Noopur noopur.ra...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why didn't they understand? What went wrong? You admitted that you
didn't prepare in advance. Also, do you want help with making
easier-understandable presentations? I want that analysis in this mail and
not a report on how they managed it badly
about it.
This will provide interesting insights and help us avoid more unpleasant
experience.
I am sorry if I sounded rude. All I wanted to know is whether the fest was
a fiasco or the interaction in the session. And I hope you don't stop doing
this work in the future.
Cheers
Noopur
On Tue, Feb 28
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Thanks
Cheers
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Thanks in advance,
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wondering if it would be any help to you, I can connect you to
her and she can tell you about some fantastic things they have done in
terms on offline wikipedias for smaller language communities and so on.
Cheers
Noopur
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Ashwin Baindur
ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote
Just for some motivation and amusement, watch this: *Where the hell is
Matt? *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY
Cheers
Noopur
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi
su...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Thanks a lot Swaroop, We are expecting more inputs from you guys, and
please
Please see the section on translation and add your name if you plan to :) I
just made a start page, now you all can chip in as you like.
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
Noopur, I have a suggestion. This is not something restricted
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