lol
Travis Johnson wrote:
> Separate pockets, same pair of pants.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Matt wrote:
>>> Nothing, if you own the fiber.
>>>
>>
>> I thought your wireless and telco operations were seperate?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
> We generally use Dragonwave or fiber to the AP. So no la
Separate pockets, same pair of pants.
Travis
Microserv
Matt wrote:
Nothing, if you own the fiber.
I thought your wireless and telco operations were seperate?
Matt
We generally use Dragonwave or fiber to the AP. So no latency to speak
of
there.
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From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>> Nothing, if you own the fiber.
>
> I thought your wireless and telco operations were seperate?
>
>
> Nothing, if you own the fiber.
I thought your wireless and telco operations were seperate?
Matt
>>> We generally use Dragonwave or fiber to the AP. So no latency to speak
>>> of
>>> there.
>>> >From our Canopy sub to our NOC I would say 7 is what most get.
>>
>> Wish we could afford Dragonwav
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> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>
>
>>> you can decide how much bandwidth you want to set aside for
>>> ARQ.
>>
>> Thats pret
Been there for quite some time. Not sure when it was added.
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From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>> you can decide ho
ot;Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:06 PM
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> With Canopy, you can decide how much bandwidth you want to set aside for
> ARQ. It has its own slice of the overhead and y
Nothing, if you own the fiber.
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From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>> We generally use Dragonwave or fiber to the AP. So no
> We generally use Dragonwave or fiber to the AP. So no latency to speak of
> there.
> >From our Canopy sub to our NOC I would say 7 is what most get.
Wish we could afford Dragonwave or fiber to each site. How much does that cost?
Matt
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8 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>> What we are also learnign is that we can only Guarantee what the
>> customer's
>> usage perception was, and we can go faster than teh weakest link.
>> For example, From our NOC to the customer we can usually get l
> What we are also learnign is that we can only Guarantee what the customer's
> usage perception was, and we can go faster than teh weakest link.
> For example, From our NOC to the customer we can usually get less than 5ms
> to any/everywhere.
5ms to anywhere in your network? Wow. What are you u
With Canopy, you can decide how much bandwidth you want to set aside for
ARQ. It has its own slice of the overhead and you can limit it to 2 kbps if
you want. Most pick 20 kbps. But it really isn't a factor. With 120 on an
AP at 5.8 with most of them subscribing to 512 Kbps 10.2 Mbps burst t
cur at the exact same
increment that TCP expects it to.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Anthony Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:14 AM
S
: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:03 AM
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> Not quite sure what all is in the MIB but Canopy has fixed AP/SM latency.
> It is always the same unless the AP is
> With Canopy, and a correctly configured polling AP there is no
> competition for time slices unless the AP is overloaded. This is how
Won't be long and they will be overloaded.
http://tinyurl.com/5tel8m
As a rule of thumb we do not currently offer rate plans that are more
then 33 percent high
gt; or competing for their timeslice to transmit.
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General
gt;
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List"
>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>>
>>
>>
>
gt; RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy
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From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> Can you SNMP query the SU, to pull latency stats that might have been
> recorded at the SU from the SU
neral List"
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:49 PM
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> snmp is a wonderful thing...
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Sunday,
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> Hi,
>
> We don't use DHCP. Every single customer gets a real, static IP address.
> We also a assign a static IP address to every radio (for management).
>
> When I posted the question a mont
ral List"
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> Tom, those speeds are possible with non-advantage P10 hardware. Version 9
> of the software gives you 6800 pps too on P10 hardware.
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luth
Rick,
Just curious, where is this ISP you took over?
Randy
RickG wrote:
> Wow, with all that bandwidth, I'm surprised you dont offer higher speeds.
>
> Technically speaking, the download & upload price is the same. From a
> cost standpoint, I allocate the download & upload separately because I
nal Message -
From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
We've tried Canopy... twice in fact... once about 3 years ago, and once
about a month ago. We just can't make it fit into our ne
ist" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
Hi,
We don't use DHCP. Every single customer gets a real, static IP address.
We also a assign a static IP address to every radio (for management).
When I poste
20
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
Kurt,
I tell them that they need to consider a higher ra
Naw, we'll just take it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not much canopy bashing there...
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From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> On
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>Can the 802.11 folks make that claim?
Next comes the "Hitler"? Take it offlist, guys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law
--
* Butch Evans * Professional Net
n 400 than the 3.65.
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From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:29 PM
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> I'm with Travis on this, with the exception of using Sta
>>
>> Canopy seems to work well for many people... but I've never been one to
>> follow the "norm". And I get to put $50 in my pocket on every install, and
>> $1,000 for every AP we put up. ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>&
n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> 128-160/AP -= that's excellent. What are you setting sustained to?
>
>
>
>
> _
8:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
All of the complaints are easily overcome with the proper management
software, DHCP reservations etc. You can easily force the SM to connect
to the exact AP you want a couple different ways. And there are several
non mot
snmp is a wonderful thing...
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Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:47 PM
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> Our front end tech support only needs the phone n
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> Hi,
>
> We don't use DHCP. Every single customer gets a real, static IP address.
> We
es over a wireless nework, and much easier to
>> achieve a 5mbps test, do to the distance, windowsize, latency variables
>> that
>> can effect TCP's real world throughput. (For example, 64k windowsize at
>> 80ms, will only allow about a 3mbps transfer to occur).
>
ginal Message -
> From: Travis Johnson
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>
>
> We've tried Canopy... twice in fact... once about 3 years ago, and once
> about a month ag
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From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
We've tried Canopy... twice in fact... once about 3 years ago, and once about
a month ago. We just can't make it fit into our network managemen
, November 01, 2008 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
Kurt,
I tell them that they need to consider a higher rate package with
dedicated bandwidth rather than shared bandwidth.
-RickG
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
unless you do the right thing now.
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From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
Well that is a testimon
t; Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>
>
>>I have Qwest DSL, CableOne, another WISP (doing "up to 4meg" for $29.95
>> with Canopy), and a licensed WiMax (2.5ghz) provider (doing "up to
>> 2meg", mobile,
I agree but I didnt select the speed and price plans, I bought the
company with these already in place. BUT everyone is complaining that
3Mbps isnt enough and I'm not keeping up! All they see is cable & DSL
commercials selling 10Mbps and 6Mbps respectively. Egads!!!
-RickG
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1
52 PM
To: "WISPA General List"
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers OT: Windows updates
> ...and from many website's you will never get this. The traffic congestion
> on a 100 meg link can choke it down to less than 10 meg, with huge sites
> such as myspace, yahoo, and
;> commercials
>> are adding fuel to the fire. Last night the service was down and
>> since I
>> got a bill this morning I thought I would write and bitch about the
>> terrible
>> service. When there is a viable alternative in Missoula tons of
>> customers
From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:07 AM
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I have Qwest DSL, CableOne, another WISP (doing "up to 4meg" for $29.95
with Canopy), and a l
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
I have Qwest DSL, CableOne, another WISP (doing "up to 4meg" for $29.95
with Canopy), and a
s you do the right thing now.
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From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> Well that is a testimony to your quality of se
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Travis Johnson
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>>
>>
>> I guess that's my point... why offer more bandwidth than
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>
>
> I guess that's my point... why offer more bandwidth than you have to? Most
> people don't need more than 1meg, and that's our most popular package for
> $39.
You must not have competitors. I have both Qwest and Comcast giving away multi
megabit starting at $15.95
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From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
I guess that&#
I guess that's my point... why offer more bandwidth than you have to?
Most people don't need more than 1meg, and that's our most popular
package for $39.95 per month (total, no modem rental fee, etc.). Why
give away the farm if you don't have to? :)
Travis
Microserv
RickG wrote:
Wow, with
Wow, with all that bandwidth, I'm surprised you dont offer higher speeds.
Technically speaking, the download & upload price is the same. From a
cost standpoint, I allocate the download & upload separately because I
am "forced" to pay dearly ($1200/month) to AT&T for my dual T1's which
are required
Rick,
Yes, all of our packages are symmetrical speeds (same download and
upload). So if they buy our 512k package, they get 512k down x 512k up
all the time. They are not "dedicated" connections, but rather you get
what you pay for connections. We still oversubscribe users on an AP,
but only t
Travis,
Nice work! Therefore, you are selling dedicated bandwidth to all of
your customers. In other words, if all your customers run speed test
at the same time they will get what their plan allows. If you dont
mind, I have a few questions:
Is the above scenario true for upload speed as well as d
TCP's real world throughput. (For example, 64k windowsize at
>>> 80ms, will only allow about a 3mbps transfer to occur).
>>>
>>> Don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing Canopy... We have actually started
>>> to use some Canopy Advantage series on our
Every customer can get the speed they are paying for ANY time they run
a speed test. We offer packages from 512k to 2.5meg for residential
customers and they always get what they pay for (download AND upload,
which is the same for all of our packages).
Travis
Microserv
RickG wrote:
Travis,
I think what Tom was saying is you can't allocate the full amount of
the AP to a single customer... so in the Canopy world, that would be
giving them a full 14Mbps. In the Trango world that would be giving
them the full 10Mbps.
And by giving them 10Mbps on Canopy, you are only giving them 75%
bles
> >> that
> >> can effect TCP's real world throughput. (For example, 64k windowsize at
> >> 80ms, will only allow about a 3mbps transfer to occur).
> >>
> >> Don't misunderstand me, I'm not bashing Canopy... We have actually
> started
Tom DeReggi wrote:
> However, it also supports my core points... that you do not give 100% of the
> capacity to any one user. (8 out of 10mb still allows some headroom for TCP
> and Bandwidth shapers to self-tune)
>
You actually can permit the full 10Mb/s bursts under canopy. As long as
the
rstand me, I'm not bashing Canopy... We have actually started
>> to use some Canopy Advantage series on our shorter range sectors, where
>> verticle pol was free. (because we can find them on EBAY cheap, with all
>> the
>> Muni projects going south). I'm actually ver
e depends on their rate plan) then they get throttled until that
>> particular file transfer is over. Once they stop, wide open throttle
>> again. They love it. The power users call in and upgrade their rate plan
>> all the time. Excellent up sell opportunities with zero effort.
>
Travis,
If I understand this correctly, you have at least 1Mbps or higher of
bandwidth for every customer?
-RickG
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We deliver what the customers pay for. If they purchase a 1Mbps package,
> they get 1Mbps 24x7 (with no m
Kurt,
I tell them that they need to consider a higher rate package with
dedicated bandwidth rather than shared bandwidth.
-RickG
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much bandwidth that
> you have to t
Scottie Arnett wrote:
> On another note, is their a way to cache or get a server closer to you for
> windows updates? I have a hospital on our network that has 60+ PC's on the
> inside. They are killing us with windows updates at certain times...like
> Service Pack 3...?
>
http://technet.mic
rs.
> - Original Message -
> From: Travis Johnson
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>
>
> Again, I have to say, "up to 8Mbps" is completely different than selling a
>
email.
DSL cannot do this. Most Comcast accounts cannot do this. Because we can do
this, we get and keep customers.
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From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
Again, I
h their speed
> and quality of RF. But I'm just sharing what we've learned with Bandwidth
> management, since we've been doing it since 2001.
>
> Maybe the Canopy 400series, can deliver the higher throughputs ? I heard
> Motorolla was planning on making a 5.8G model of teh
.
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>I think you meant to say "up to 10.2Mbps download speed". There is no
> wa
king a 5.8G model of teh 400 series?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISP
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Travis Johnson
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> >
> >
> > How does Canopy fix a customer satisfaction probl
e their rate plan all the
> time. Excellent up sell opportunities with zero effort.
> - Original Message -
> From: Travis Johnson
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>
>
>
r 01, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> We sell up to 8Mbps on Canopy advantage without issues. Nearly all our
> customers are within a couple miles though and as long as they have less
> than a -76, they get full speed. Rarely do we have two customers doing
>
ED]>
> wrote:
>
>> Canopy...
>>
>> - Original Message -----
>> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'"
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:59 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] heavy
wide open throttle for a while (that
> > while depends on their rate plan) then they get throttled until that
> > particular file transfer is over. Once they stop, wide open throttle
> > again. They love it. The power users call in and upgrade their rate
> plan
> &
- Original Message -----
> From: Travis Johnson
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>
>
> How does Canopy fix a customer satisfaction problem? If they are used to
> getting 5Mbps download
er 01, 2008 12:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
I dunno, that is pretty boring compared to the rest of the schedule. I am
interested in hearing from the Gods of Motorola more than anyone else.
Julian from Orthogon gets to come this year too.
- Ori
t;'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> I'd like to see your 10.2Mbps plan as a lighting talk at Animal Farm
> Chuck... interesting fuel for thought :-)
>
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
>
>
PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
Our Canopy customers are used to getting 10.2 Mbps download speed. If the
start a huge file transfer they get wide open throttle for a while (that
while depends on their rate plan) then they get throttled until that
particular file tra
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much bandwidth that
you have to throttle them dow
hauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:59 AM
Subject: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much bandwidth that
> you have to throttle them down after say 5 minutes
We deliver what the customers pay for. If they purchase a 1Mbps package,
they get 1Mbps 24x7 (with no monthly bit caps). Personally I have never
liked the "up to" speed packages... it's like going to Walmart and
buying milk. You can pay $3 for a full 1 gallon, or you can pay $2 for
"up to" a ga
"Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much bandwidth that
you have to throttle them down afte
ucyrus, OH 44820
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www.wavelinc.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
We don't do mush residenti
ber 01, 2008 9:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
The agreement that most ISPs use states something like "we can limit or
change bandwidth as is necessary deemed by us, you pay for the package
name rather then the value printed upon signing the agreement&qu
quot;'WISPA General List'"
> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:59 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
>
>
> > Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much bandwidth that
> > you have to throttle them down after say 5 minutes of downloading.
Canopy...
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From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: [WISPA] heavy usage customers
> Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so muc
Does anyone else here have customer/s that consume so much bandwidth that
you have to throttle them down after say 5 minutes of downloading. And what
do you tell them when they start complaining about the throttled down speed.
(they don't know your throttling them though)
Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELI
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