Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service
for 911 compliance either has read the order and/or has checked with
council. If you provide any VoIP service your VOIP must be 911
compliant as per the order. Any other services you may or others may
provide to the
On Jun 19, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
I don't believe there is any real money in it either... cell phones
will be the choice 5-10 years from now. VoIP is the bridge to get
there. Of course, I'm talking residential users... business users
are a little different... although we
On Jun 19, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Does Canopy use VLAN tagging at the CPE?
Yes
I didn't think they did. I thought they just did passthrough like
Trango?
Can do that too.
Canopy doesn't support bandwdith management assignment based on
VLANs does it?
Not per VLAN, but per
All of your comments are from your perspective using your low ARPU
business model. When your ARPU easily exceeds $500 spending $2K on
radios doesn't seem expensive. Especially in light of the fact that
Canopy and Trango PtMP systems would run out of bandwidth too quick
for our business
There are major LECs using VoIP internally while providing analog
service to their customers. Therefore, it is quite possible you have had
conversations over a VoIP network using your POTS lines without even
knowing it. Further, the percentage likelihood that you will have such a
phone call in
Hi,
I will have to find the article I read about a year ago regarding VoIP
and POTS and cellular. It shows that even with the number of people that
are switching, it is still VERY small when compared with the number that
still have POTS and will continue to keep their land lines.
In our
I'm interested in a unit, but haven't got a
response. Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] the
right address?
Dave
989-837-3790 x 151989-837-3780 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.mercury.net
129 Ashman St, Midland, MI 48640
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From:
Patrick
Shoemaker
To: WISPA General
Matt,
I believe that means that the VOIP line to the customer must be able to dial
911.
However, I believe it is allowed, that if at the provider's switch, they
intercept 911 calls, and redirect to a pots line connected to the providers
switch, it complies.
So if you ahve a local regional
Tom DeReggi wrote:
However, I believe it is allowed, that if at the provider's switch,
they intercept 911 calls, and redirect to a pots line connected to the
providers switch, it complies.
That is incorrect. What gives you that impression?
So if you ahve a local regional switch and
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Businesses don't care about voip here because long distance rates are
so cheap that some of them would actually increase their costs by
moving to voip.
They are? Our customers are saving anywhere from $100 to $2,000 per
month on long distance with our
customer isn't going to want a cheap piece of network equipment either.
I thought that was the point I was trying to get across. Thus my
recommendation for a high quality switch.
SMC AL2 series managed switches. Have a Cisco type firmware. IVL supported,
unlike the older switch models.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16213716
Visit the forum.
Brian
David Sovereen wrote:
I'm interested in a unit, but haven't got a response. Is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] the right address?
Dave
989-837-3790 x 151
989-837-3780 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Horsecrap. All I am selling is the phone system.
Matt Larsen
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Matt Liotta wrote:
Anyone who thinks that providing a POTS line along with VoIP service
for 911 compliance either has read the order and/or has checked with
council. If you provide any VoIP service your VOIP
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
David Sovereen wrote:
I'm interested in a unit, but haven't got a response. Is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] the right address?
Dave
989-837-3790 x 151
989-837-3780 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.mercury.net http://www.mercury.net
From: On Behalf Of Eric Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Open-net-working-group] Hearing on USF
There will be a hearing tomorrow on the high-cost-fund in the House
Energy and Commerce Committee. I’m told but can’t confirm that there
will be a follow-up
Matt,
We've been through this debate a number of times comparing PTP models to
PtMP models, and which is better.
I am in no way saying PtP models are not good, just different things to
consider, neither better.
The acceptabilty of PtMP model has nothing to do with ARPU of subscriber.
I can
Marlon
We are looking at this now for Demarc and I can tell you the cost is less
vs. pots if setup correctly . We have 5 standard pots lines coming in now at
a basic cost of $220 after you add in all the taxes and fees. The we pay
about $40 a month for long anywhere, any time, unlimited distance
I would almost buy this statement if it weren't for the fact that cell
phone call quality is horrible.
Add bluetooth headsets to the equation and windshear and I can't hear a
blessed word some people are saying.
And this has not stopped people from using cell phones.
Consumers switch to VoIP
WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality
http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/17310.html
http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/telecomweb.com/;sz=180x150;ord=021450
The *Wireless Communications Association International* (WCA) has come
down against network-neutrality legislation, joining one of the pressure
I agree.
I didn't say consumers demanded better quality.
I jsut said that when people are discussing quality of VOIP, they use the
wrong criteria.
I can also argue that its not ALL about price. And the reason is people
don;t seem to have any problem paying their cell phone bill that on
Title: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K
Hi there,
Not detracting from this great debate, but I'd have to make some Mikrotik comments at this point.
We use their OS in our radios and the end product we have on the market does out-perform several well-known
VoIP Is About More Than Replacing The Phone
http://techdirt.com/articles/20060530/0032231.shtml
For way too long, most of the attention on VoIP has focused on how it's
a cheaper telephone replacement option -- which a few people have
pointed out is the wrong lesson to take from VoIP. Yes, it
That is incorrect. What gives you that impression?
listening to others' conversations, but I am not knowledgeable on the
subject yet, and I take your word for it.
That is incorrect. A POTS line will only be able to provide ANI/ALI
information as configured by the LEC providing the POTS
I thought it worth chipping in - just my £0.01's worth.
Now that's harsh...the English Pence isn't worth 2 cents...yet.
Figuring it correctly:
just my 1.0871p worth
:-)
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Tom DeReggi wrote:
Why can't I write a script in Linux/Asterix that says, if Source phone
number equals my client, and destiantion phone number equalls 911,
move this call to POTS Line A, a POTS line with an area code/phone
xxx-xxx appropriaite for the region where that customer resides.
The 911 call is going to use SS7 information like caller ID and address
from the LIDB database to send help.
Your script can't really do that.
If it could, you would need to test hck out of it and find a way to get
insurance to cover when it didn't work and you were sued for criminal
I respectfully disagree and think that WCA's
position of less regulation and allowing network operators operate their
networks how they want is the right approach. Net neutrality legislation
opens the door for content companies and your subscribers to force open and
equal access to all
Title: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K
Nice one Jeff...
Absolutely right -
and our over-priced currency deserves some stick, not us (the people)
:-)
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Broadwick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 June 2006
Nah. It's just a phone. Ordinary wired phones already offer more features
than people want without VoIP. Ordinary phone service typically offers you
a list of 25 features. People don't want em, so in my midwest Ameritech
area (now ATT land) they typically throw in 5 features from the
It was my impression that most of the US has unmetered local US long
distance available for $60 ... something / month. I do. To save $100 to
$2000 per month on long distance with VoIP would mean they'd have to be
paying the subscriber money back
Out of that $60/month phone bill, the
I beg to differ... Find-me/follow-me, Outlook Integration, Billing
Platform Integration, video phone, do not disturb, call logs,
distributed call centers, IVR, and the list goes on VoIP is actually
more than a phone. But then it is to business, not necessarily resi,
which it is about
VZ Local/LD single Resi POTS line in Tampa, FL is $78 total bill.
My CallVantage line is $41.
Rich Comroe wrote:
It was my impression that most of the US has unmetered local US long
distance available for $60 ... something / month. I do. To save $100
to $2000 per month on long distance
Rich
In general I would agree with you expect for two features, one is video.
Phones like the Grandstream GXV-3000 have are low cost with all the features
one would need. I am not saying this is there yet as its not plug and play
but it's a step in the right direction.
Also the second is
Wow... my Qwest bill with Caller-ID, Caller Blocking, etc. is $38 per
month total (including all taxes, surcharges, etc.).
Travis
Microserv
Peter R. wrote:
VZ Local/LD single Resi POTS line in Tampa, FL is $78 total bill.
My CallVantage line is $41.
Rich Comroe wrote:
It was my impression
Thats because ISDN really stands for I Still Don't No...
Back in the 80's when Bellsouth introduced it in
Nashville, the techs had to make repeated stops
at my house to finally get it going. Probably 20 of them.
Bellsouth introduced it, without bothering to show their
employees how to make
I am wondering if there are any suggestions for an ATA - SIP Adapter with 1 or 2
POTS jacks.
We are running asterisk, so if you have experience with an ATA that works well
with asterisk that would be great
Thanks
Dan Metcalf
Wireless Broadband Systems
www.wbisp.com
781-566-2053 ext 6201
But then it is to business, not necessarily resi, which it is about
dial-tone.
We've reached agreement! I agree completely. I missed where your comments
were defined towards business customers. Wisps that I work with serve
predominantly residential customers, which was my 2 cents. I know
Business users, sure IP video conferencing is great. I love it, and use it
myself. Residential: sure I've setup skype video-conferencing with other
techie friends ... and then not turned it on again (everybody else I call
just has an ordinary phone). Ya'never'know. But I wouldn't wager any
grinIt Still Doesn't Work would be ISDW!/grin Got a chuckle out of
your reply but I get your meaning. Asked the question, What is ISDN, the
answer you're thinking of is I Still Don't Know. I'm sure that's the one
you were thinking of. Got'ta love ISDN.
I actually tried it for awhile. In
That was my experience exactly! Finally used my own protocol analyzer (my
PC) and saw each Q931 request being auto-repeated before the first D channel
acks came back (there was nearly a SECOND of D channel delay!!). At that
point it was obvious and I had the phone technicians switch me from a
I'd say we need to support WCA's post.
In politics it possible to get a double standard to pass.
ILECS / Cable companies need Net Neutrality, wireless providers do not.
Do you know what it would do to our cell phone bills, if Internet enabled
Cell phones were required to allow users to use
I only mentioned Mikrotik as its abilty to pass large packets has been
tested.
I believe we couldn't do that with StarOS as a limitation of Wifi clients
(although not positive, as I did not investigate WDS options on StarOS which
allows the large packets and full passing bridge features.) With
Maybe a better way to do it would be to exclude UNlicensed wireless
providers from Net Neutrality, but include all other wireless providers :-)
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Thanks Matt.
That clears up my confusion.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: 911 compliance (was
Title: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K
The secret of Net Neutrality is that there is no
harm in NOT HAVING NET NEutrality for under dog small providers. Market
pressures FORCE us to not unnecessisarilly block access. If we block, and
they want, they
I have $9 a month unmetered long distance, and $30 unmetered Europe long
distance. But some how I managed to get a $2000 long distance bill, that is
now in dispute, and ended up in our home phone lines (long distance and
local lines) being disconnected by Verizon. Good thing I was not using
While they do an ok job w/ wireless, IMO, their strength is more the
convenience coming from the integration of multiple packages and its
flexibility rather than the performance of any single feature
If you're looking at purely a wireless solution (in this do-it-yourself
genre) -- you
On Jun 20, 2006, at 4:37 PM, David Sovereen wrote:
How many WISPs on this list are limiting P2P traffic separate from
other traffic? I'll bite... I am.
We don't
How many WISPs on this list are prioritizing VoIP traffic separate
from other traffic? I'll bite. I am. And I only
This is turning out to be a fun little read:
http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm (there's a link on that
page to download their 400-page PDF book, free this week only, after
that it's $20)
This book alleges that over the past twenty years, the various RBOCs
have essentially scammed
Businesses with multiple lines and many employees are not able to buy
unmetered service.
-Matt
On Jun 20, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Rich Comroe wrote:
It was my impression that most of the US has unmetered local US
long distance available for $60 ... something / month. I do. To
save $100 to
Rich, I don't agree. My Lingo service is $20 a line, unlimited calling to
Europe-US-Canada, and I use simultaneous ring to cell when I'm away, I use
voicemail-to-Email (instantaneous) when I'm at the office or away, and use
quite a few other features. My ATT line was 3 times that and no Europe
He gave me the final prices for these, so if anyone was interested, I
can forward it to you.
OFFLIST
Brian
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
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David Sovereen wrote:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] the right address?
Dan,
We have bought a lot of stuff from these folks and these adapters are
really highly recommended and have worked well.
http://www.voipsupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=321
Mac Dearman
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Behalf Of [EMAIL
I'd like to point out that it can work the other way, when the telcos and
cabelcos demand a premium above the normal price to be able to access all
services or have your VOIP phone work at all, or watch live video, or any
one of a number of items.
IF you think that backbone providers are going to
You guys that post using this incredibly annoying
bar at the left... why do you do it? It makes c onversational
email impossible...
Read on below. comments are prefaced
with
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061personal correspondence
to: mark at neofast dot netsales inquiries to:
I'd take whatever this says with a LARGE load of salt.
For instance, this paragraph: New franchises? Verizon's FiOS and ATT's
Lightspeed are inferior services. We're 16th in broadband because they
companies conned the American Public and never delivered. Asia has 100 Mbps
services for $40
why do you do it?
I'm a top poster. I hate having to
essentially re-read the previous email to find the added reply comments
(especially when it's a long email and you ultimately just find an added "yeah
me too" way down at the bottom). I find that incredibly annoying. I
prefer replies
Very cool. I love gadgets too ... got'ta play with them all.
Rich, I don't agree.
But I've no idea what I said that you disagree with. What I said was I
don't see VoIP providing advanced services that the consumer marketplace as
a whole is going to pick-up (for example, the way caller-id
I guess you have to know Bruce Kushnick to understand the book.
He was a consultant for the Big Boys. When he couldn't stomach how they
were ripping everyone off, he switched sides.
He has piles of data - much of it from the ILECs themselves in press
releases, PUC statements, etc.
Get the
Title: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K
Im looking for some connectivity in Huntington and Charleston West Virginia. If anyone can help, hit me off list.
Thanks
Chris
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Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
I'd take whatever this says with a LARGE load of salt.
For instance, this paragraph: New franchises? Verizon's FiOS and ATT's
Lightspeed are inferior services. We're 16th in broadband because they
companies conned the American Public and never delivered. Asia has 100
I'd like to point out that the RBOCs own the backbone, the last mile,
and the cellular companies, so if they filter or prioritize it should be
interesting. Word is L3 is buying all fiber so that they can be equals
with VZ att.
- Peter
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From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book
Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
I'd take whatever this says with a LARGE load of salt.
For
Title: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K
While it may sound great to have a "double standard
law," it isn't realistic. Recent FCC ruling trends tell us
that.
For years, telephone companies have been heavily
regulated while cable companies have not.
DSL
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Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
You guys that post using this incredibly annoying bar at the left...
why do you do it? It makes c onversational email impossible...
Read on below. comments are prefaced with
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personal
Dave,
I can see your points and I agree that
OVER-regulation could lead to the sort of harms that you list.
Unfortunately, the alternative of NO-regulation would enablebackbone
providers of the internet toweed out the smaller providers by
deprioritizing traffic, blocking ports, charging
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From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:56 PM
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