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Because I have not left the "office" my living room, in 3 days because
things keep coming my way. Computers, paperwork, a million calls. No
customer support issues, just a million things I can't seem to catch
up. And now I'm a few weeks behind on installs. I don't like being
ARe you anywhere near Cogent fiber?
Are you anywhere near
http://www.onfiber.com/content/index.cfm?fuseaction=showContent&contentID=28&navID=28
John
Blair Davis wrote:
I wish I could get 10meg for 1000.00 a month, let alone 100meg!!
Todd Lancaster wrote:
i get 100meg for 1000.00 a mont
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Brian
- why pay out that $95.00 when YOU can go do the install in 2 hours time ? Heck
3 installs = 1 new install paid for Sorry - guess Im just cheap and work
too much - I suppose we all grow our business differently. I worked 2 full time
jobs for the 1st 8 months we were
Can you offer him a 12 month contract, he pays install on 5 GHz equipment?
John
Bob Moldashel wrote:
Thanks for the reply Todd.
I have a few issues that we are dealing with. First, we can't use 2.4
GHz. DS. The spectrum sucks here so there are no real economical CPE
options. At present, m
The first thing I would do is to look carefully at the TOS of the Cable
contract. Usually, they are very restrictive, but that may not matter to
this customer. Then you need to consider, can you deliver 3-4 Meg to
compete? If not, how much can you deliver? Many people will pay a little
more for
Let me clarify. By sales guy, I meant someone who will knock on doors
and say "here, this is available in the area, call for details" hand
them a door hanger and leave. I pay my subs a free month for
refferals. I'd give the "door hanger guy" the same, $35 per "sale"
unless they were too good
There is a problem with that. :) I am very young and don't know a
lot. SO.I subscribe to about 5 lists, and read every post everyday
in the BBR WISP forums. If not for that, I would not know what I know
today. Remember. I have very little expenses (living with parents) I
pay gas, back
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From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group.
> OK...You have a customer that is paying $159 month for 256K service. No
> other service providers are
How much do you have to buy for $25 a mb? Its not $25 a mb if you only are
using 5 mbps, and you have to pay for 100mb.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sen
No. You must do the sales. Trust that to someone
else, and you will fail. It means that you may not be able to do the fun
stuff like you thought you'd be doing, but its the reality of a successful
business. UNtil you set the stage of how the sales process will go, and set the
example of suc
Well, I have no service levels advertised above $65/mo...
However, everywhere I go, be there other options or not, I will price to be
as competitively as I need to be anywhere.In other words, I make the
non-competitive areas priced as well as the competitive.
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC
Do NOT let him out of the contract. Its inforceable. There was a cost to
install his service, and you gave him the service two months earlier which
he needed. I have clients taht have paid $1000 expedite charges so they
wouldn't have to go a month without service waiting for DSL or cable. He
Don't take this the wrong way BUT ---> if you spent less time on the
Internet you would soon get those people connected.
Been there, done that.
Lonnie
On 8/25/05, Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just have to find someone to do installs. I have as many waiting to
> be hooked up as
Where can you get bandwidth at $25 per meg I am lucky to get it for $500
per meg.
Jory Privett
WCCS
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From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here's a question for the group..
Bob Moldashel wrote:
Blair Davis wrote:
Bandwidth on the availability side is not an issue. We buy
bandwidth for about $20-25 per meg so that is not an issue and we
have multiple provider fiber feeds to our NOC.
$25 per meg? I'm at $350 per 1.5 meg!
Unfortunately...customers
I wish I could get 10meg for 1000.00 a month, let alone 100meg!!
Todd Lancaster wrote:
i get 100meg for 1000.00 a month. Like i said bandwidth is not my problem. I
have a personal 45meg link to my house. When i run www.toast.net/performance
speed tests i chuckle. Hence why i dont care givi
Wise words for sure. There is more than any one can do by oneself out
there. The opportunities can run you broke if you chase them all.
Scriv
Charles Wu wrote:
Just a general word of advice...the biggest pitfall/doom of most startups is
not opportunity, but rather TOO MUCH opportunity...
Wat
Please keep private "show only" emails off list unless you have data to
share with the group.
Scriv
Charles Wu wrote:
Hi Dylan,
We are working on gathering all the presentations
Trust me, with our testing, there is A LOT of "behind the scenes"
wrangling (including bitching/threats from "l
Blair Davis wrote:
Bandwidth on the availability side is not an issue. We buy bandwidth
for about $20-25 per meg so that is not an issue and we have multiple
provider fiber feeds to our NOC.
$25 per meg? I'm at $350 per 1.5 meg!
Unfortunately...customers are so sold on price an
Stand your ground or offer a slightly higher speed for the same money
you have now with a longer term signed contract. Otherwise stand your
ground. Let them know you are better than cable. I am. I bet you are
too. That is how I do it. I have plenty of people who pay me when cable
is less in my
Todd Lancaster wrote:
I have no idea how the hell that post was posted 3 times.. I didnt do it..
anyways sorry bout that however it happened
It was that 45 meg personal connection you have... It's faster than your
fingers!
:)
George
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I have no idea how the hell that post was posted 3 times.. I didnt do it..
anyways sorry bout that however it happened
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Thanks,
Todd Lancaster
Network Administrator
AlwaysOn-Line LLC.
http://www.alwayson-line.net
Quoting Todd Lancaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> i get 100meg for 1000.00 a month.
i get 100meg for 1000.00 a month. Like i said bandwidth is not my problem. I
have a personal 45meg link to my house. When i run www.toast.net/performance
speed tests i chuckle. Hence why i dont care giving customers the bandwidth i
give them. I do monitor it closely, more so to keep stress off my
You are very correct it that it all comes down to service. People want there
hand held through everything. Im signing 10-20 customers a week at the moment
to our network because we have great customer service and go the extra mile and
are way competitive with DSL and Cable. And our uploads blow c
You are very correct it that it all comes down to service. People want there
hand held through everything. Im signing 10-20 customers a week at the moment
to our network because we have great customer service and go the extra mile and
are way competitive with DSL and Cable. And our uploads blow c
You are very correct it that it all comes down to service. People want there
hand held through everything. Im signing 10-20 customers a week at the moment
to our network because we have great customer service and go the extra mile and
are way competitive with DSL and Cable. And our uploads blow c
Bandwidth on the availability side is not an issue. We buy bandwidth
for about $20-25 per meg so that is not an issue and we have multiple
provider fiber feeds to our NOC.
$25 per meg? I'm at $350 per 1.5 meg!
Unfortunately...customers are so sold on price and high speeds
-B
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Do
your own installs for the 1st 100 or so - I would not outsource "installation"
nor "sales" help till then. Just my opinion but we've learned a lot here. We
were able to purchase an extra (40) CPEs in our 1st 100 customers b/c we didn't
have the installer expense.
JohnnyO
Well, our rates are quite a bit lower than that.
Around here, we get $59.95 for a standard business connection, $39.95
for a standard residential connection. Special requirements can raise
these prices. I have one customer paying $200 month for 128k. He was
paying $400/month for ISDN.
We
Thanks for the reply Todd.
I have a few issues that we are dealing with. First, we can't use 2.4
GHz. DS. The spectrum sucks here so there are no real economical CPE
options. At present, many customers are on Alvarion FHSS. High bandwidth
customers are on 5GHz. but are paying real prices
Well first off if my customers did a speed test and saw 256k My phones would be
ringing off the hook. 159.00?? Thats insane too, but if your getting more
power to you. On the other hand if i was you I would search for more bandwidth
and a cost that doesnt bring your overhead up much. Then I woul
I am looking into getting two people to help. One "install guy" and
one "sales guy", both on commission. Then I can be the guy who grows
the network to keep up, do site surveys, tower work/deals, and paper
work. Ok plan or no??
Charles Wu wrote:
Just a general word of advice...the bigges
There's the numbers, but I'd focus more on: how much can you give while
still making a profit? 256k for $159/mo sounds a little ridiculous to
me, but I don't know your market. Is $79/mo unprofitable, or just less
profitable?-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC
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This will make me sound like a cold-harded bastard, but generally speaking,
you need to look at the numbers
Say you match the price of $79 / month - for the next 10 months, that will
end up costing you approximately $800
Will you be able to make that up in a longer contract term? Or will, 10
mont
Just a general word of advice...the biggest pitfall/doom of most startups is
not opportunity, but rather TOO MUCH opportunity...
Watch cash flow closely, and don't bite off more than you can chew
-Charles
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Hi
Dylan,
We are
working on gathering all the presentations
Trust
me, with our testing, there is A LOT of "behind the scenes" wrangling (including
bitching/threats from "losing" manufacturers) that goes on
-Charles
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OK...You have a customer that is paying $159 month for 256K service. No
other service providers are available in the area except a full T1 for
$599+ per month. 8 Months later cable modem shows up and offers
$79/month for the first year for new sign ups with 3-4 Mb downloads.
Your customer payin
Thats a great way to start. Congradulations.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:20 AM
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Regarding which, when will the reports on 900 MHz et al be released to attendees of the conference?
Wondering what to do with my waverider given new dedication to Moto...
ooh, I think I'll coin a new term: "Moto Ho"-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC
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>I take it from this post regarding Canopy that the other systems you
>tested were not as much speed?
Yes
>If you want to compare then let us see what you have seen for all the
>systems you have tested. Let's compare apples to apples.
We have already done that
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Canopy claimed long and loud about real aggregate throughput. However, last
February Moto put out an application note that discloses real Canopy
aggregate throughput will be significantly less with short packet traffic,
while claiming that real internet traffic would never be short enough to be
I'm in, Central MN
Mike Bushard Jr
Reliable Internet Services
1st Rate Computers
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Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 12:10 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering - WISPBO
I am in if anyone else is in Texas
Jory Privett
WCCS
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From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nationwide Peering
I was told to bring this up after WiNog. Well...
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I take it from this post regarding Canopy that the other systems you
tested were not as much speed? Waverider has more aggregate throughput
than what each client individually will get because of polling. So maybe
three Waverider clients running at full speed could be the same as
Canopy aggregat
Hi Brian,
Well we led a session that started a dialog on this topic. It got quite
loud at times. The end result was I am willing to donate time to map out
in one location all of the data people send me with locations of POP's,
fiber hotels and other inexpensive sources of bandwidth. Thi
Canopy 900 has close to 4 Mb of aggregate *REAL* thoughput now in 2x mode
-Charles
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August 15-17, 2005
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The "dish guy" is one of my good friends, but not real good with
heights. I have talked to a company who will do them at $100 a pop.
Fair? I provide (pre configured) Antennas, tripods, masts, site survey,
location to mount, ect. He provides tools, caulk, screws, ect (the
little stuff) I'll
Consider contracting through the local Dish/DirecTV installers. It can
save you a bunch of headaches and will cost less than employees in the end.
Scriv
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
I just have to find someone to do installs. I have as many waiting to
be hooked up as I have hooked up. It's there
I do not think you will find any 900 Mhz 2M X 2M solutions out there
that will scale well. I use Waverider and it works really well for my
service. I offer two plans. 768K and 256K up and down. I can get about
70 to 100 clients per sector with Waverider running this way. I think
the polling MAC
I was told to bring this up after WiNog. Well...
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ppphhht
I was already married for a year when I could
legally drink!
Still stuck with the ol hag too!
hehehehehe
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In the lab, in a "clean" environment, using BSD hosts and TCP, we get about
1.8 Mb of "Real"
throughput
However, w/ NLoS 900 Mhz systems, there are too many variables (e.g., which
data rate, loss, multipath, etc) that will affect your "real-world"
throughput performance
To get further FREE infor
This is one of the big reasons we started wispa. We know that we'll be
regulated, the question is how to control that process. A strong
association is our best chance to avoid the fate of the DSL industry.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
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I just have to find someone to do installs. I have as many waiting to
be hooked up as I have hooked up. It's there for the taking, but I
can't take it! The search for help has started.
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Most ISPs shared that plan. But it rarely works that way, when you
want to grow your
Anyone with real-world experience with them?
I sell 2M X 2M connections... will WR gear keep up with this, and what is
the maximum available real throughput? Not radio rates, but real-world
throughput?
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to: mark at neofast do
Most ISPs shared that plan. But it rarely works that way, when you want to
grow your business.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Brian thanks for the great info on Demarc!
Bo
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
I've lost a few, but due to surges. Ground and put this
http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-poe/dt-poe-sp01.html on
the ethernet run (tucked in the enclosure) and your golden. Tony will
give the ethernet surge
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