And I can assure you they don't leak. The secret to having your
installers get 3 installs done per day is that cable. As a rule of
thumb, 98% of the installs should be done in such a way that that 60ft
of cable is enough to get inside to the router-If you have a guy running
hundreds of feet of cabl
...in fact, I just remembered an excellent example. In the Monterey, CA
area there's a VL deployment of over 2,200 CPE in about 3 or 4 square
miles from a handfuls of closely co-located cells. Our engineers
designed it and it provides over 99% actual coverage of the homes within
the cells and the a
Jon,
With a proper channel plan that is just not the case, not to mention
things like ATPC. Things like WiMAX use it because there you are dealing
with small frequency allocations where every last ounce of efficiency
needs to be found. In UL that is not the case since there is so much
more spectru
With VL, you still run into the issue of self interference in a cellular
deployment(many tower sites in a region). The only products I'm aware of
that cooperate properly in a cellular deployment are minimally GPS
capable, and the advanced products that support things like hand-off or
N:1 deploy
The neg 48vDC is simply an option (standard 100-240 vAC is the other
option) for powering of the rack mounted chassis. In the telecom space
it's very common that folks have racks powered that way. The CPE's
themselves are not 48vDC. On the CPE 54 vDC is sent via PoE up to the
ODU from the IDU.
Pat
Brad, you are right on this. I was in the network cabling business for
years and it is not 568A or B. And as point of fact, there is no 568-B2
pin out. 568 B2 refers to the system of "category" rankings of the
twisted pair cable itself.
So, as you note, the pin out is some standard I am not famili
Tom, what one thinks is not the same as threats, libel (in my opinion)
and blatant falsehoods (e.g. being the first WISP give a right to
protections). Nothing heroic about that. I would contend it is just the
opposite. I cringe every time I see a WISP do something dishonest or
slimy or just out of
Patrick... I find the 48V power thing a HUGE problem.
almost every site I have now is 12V powered...
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HAH, yeah, I was digging rather irritatedly around the van looking for a 10
mm wrench on Monday as well... same thing.
I normally do not carry metric tools out on my install rig...
Early in the year, I'm going to pick up some Equinox universal mounts.
Same long arm, heavy pipe...
No 10 mm nuts..
Hi Marlon,
Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Just a thought, you might want to fire those 9 customers.
You could also rate-limit them down to 56K and see how long they stick around.
Jeff
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From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Can anyone else hear the axe grinding in the background..
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
Hello Alber
Well, hello Patrick and Merry Christmas!
Yes, the gaul of me to insist a client gets what he pays for. Just what am
I thinking! lol
Bottom line is as you know the client wasn't happy with the VL product as it
wasn't able to keep up with the client demands. I'm sorry that's what it
came to, but
Hello Albert,
Can you point me to a URL describing the 586-B2 color code? I've searched
for a minute or two, but so far everything comes up with the oranges and
greens in the 1,2,3 and 6 pin locations. Even if there is a 568-B2 color
code why use that color code when the rest of the world uses b
Hi Brad,
The cable we supply with the VL product is terminated following the
ANSI/EIA/TIA 568-B2 standard. We pre-terminate the cable in an effort to
speed the installation process. The design of the weatherproof boot is
intentional to provide an impervious seal from the elements.
Having install
I agree that everything written in Forbes post may not be politically
correct. But his intent was almost heroic.
I think whats important is not the exact content of Forbes post, but the
concept and purpose.
We can't be afraid to tell our city councils what we think. (What ever that
is, we each a
Marlon,
You say "most of my towers have fewer than 25 users on them..." In
response to that reality we created a version of the VL AU for rural
markets. We came to realize that the cost of a regular of VL AU where
likely user counts are low simply was not economical. So we came up with
the AUS. T
How are you guys tracking usage? What program are you using to measure
it and are you measureing every bit or an average?
On 12/22/06, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have not had the guts to do what Marlon does. But that doesn't mean there
isn't merit in his method.
Part of the reason
I have not had the guts to do what Marlon does. But that doesn't mean there
isn't merit in his method.
Part of the reason is we put in place technology that allows the use of
available bandwdith with limited impact to other users, therefore taking
away some of the need to charge for it, if it wa
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From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Grin, while I've certainly noticed Brad's almost religious
But a cahing server if you can't afford the bandwidth.
Seriously, your model, the old model, is about dead and buried.
How much does it cost to watch a movie across the net using your system?
Just be glad you aren't a competitor of mine.
Wrong answer, It should be the other way around. Beca
Marlon,
Sell your service based on speed... 512k = $xx, 1meg = $xx and so on...
then you don't have to worry about who is transferring how much, etc.
The people that hog it, just call them and say "that's not permitted on
our service" and if they continue, cap their speed down to 256k or 128k
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From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be.
Specifi
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Grin, while I've certainly noticed Brad's almost religious dislike of
Alvarion I do have to side with him on this. I just called Ben Moore at
PacWireless yesterday to bitch about the new Sat. arm mounts he sent me.
They have some bizarre metric nut on th
Cause it takes just 9 uers at 50 gigs per month to double my BW costs.
At $35 per month in service fees, the 50 gig user chews up more than 10% of
my costs.
He needs to pay more.
Or, he needs to get his service from you. Just be glad you aren't a
competitor of mine. Right now, we have 9 us
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>>> First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be.
>>> Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month.
>>> How many kbps does it take to generate that?
>>
>> Assuming a month is 30 days (nice round number), 50GB/m
Grin, while I've certainly noticed Brad's almost religious dislike of
Alvarion I do have to side with him on this. I just called Ben Moore at
PacWireless yesterday to bitch about the new Sat. arm mounts he sent me.
They have some bizarre metric nut on the dang things. Now I have to carry
FOUR
Brad,
What you have hit right on the nose, is that the profile of a business
prospect is changing.
Its no longer good enough to offer 1 and 2 mbps services. WISPs are most
competitive offering 5 and 10 mbps services.
That changes what gear and topologies that will be appropriate for the
future
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From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be.
Specifi
Yes, change to a "speed" model like everyone else (Cable, DSL, WISP) and
don't worry about it any more. :)
Travis
Microserv
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Hi All,
OK, so now that we know who our heavy users are I have to come up with
a couple of things.
First, I have to figure out
Marlon, I'll answer this with a re-post of a September post that
explains, in part, why VL is not just regular CSMA:
I believe most if not all of the below are features not found among
Trango or Canopy. I list a few of the advanced features. A few of these
(probably some you have neve
Guess it cmes down to what you are selling and what does it cost you to
do business.
First f, you are selling a simle internet conection for a casual user.
If you want you can squeeze them fr every little "bit".
I wonder why you have to charge them more, if you are being billed at
the 95%
The gaul of us to create a tight seal. I am sorry you are not able to
figure out how to attach the connector Brad. Thousands of others seem to
manage just fine and when is the last time you ever heard of anyone
complaining about water intrusion into a VL VPE or PoE line?
It is simply amazing at t
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be.
> Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month.
> How many kbps does it take to generate that?
Assuming a month is 30 days (nice round number), 50GB/month is ab
Brad,
This is not something for which "opinion" has a place. There are facts
here and you are asserting things about us that simply false. I
personally conceived, wrote and pitched every word, idea, concept, and
crossed t of the AlvarionCOMNET program. Its origination has nothing to
do with your t
Hi All,
OK, so now that we know who our heavy users are I have to come up with a
couple of things.
First, I have to figure out how many kbps a gig of download would be.
Specifically, I've got a couple of customers doing 50 gigs per month. How
many kbps does it take to generate that?
We pa
Oh and BTW, what happens to a link that is trying to shove 5Mbps FDX through
while auto-rated down to modulation 1 in the event of noise? It drops
packets! That was our problem with the VL. The client experienced this and
their applications simply would not work. We also were seeing ping packet
I just wanted to wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy new year!
It is truly an honor to be associated with y'all. I'm honored to be a part
of one of the most progressive, trouble making lots that the internet has
ever seen!
Take care, sell lots, and above all, stay safe
Marlo
Agreed, however like I said if the link is engineered properly the RX
threshold will save you more times than not. Is the Trango immune from
noise? Absolutely not, but at least you have a tool or two in your bag to
work around it. RX threshold - dual band - dual polarity. VL has none of
these!
I too am interested in what the minium price would be to put up a POP
using Alvarion gear. I really like my Trango gear but this stuff
sounds awesome and from what I read the Comnet program is just what I
am looking for. To compare to build out a Trango POP it costs about
1600 that includes AP, a
Agreed, Trango is far from "immune" from interference, but they do give you
a few more tools in your bag to combat it.
(1) RX Threshold
(2) Dual Polarity
(3) Dual Band
Alvarion VL offers none of these. If they did they would hands down be the
best PtMP LE gear available today IMO. However,
Hi Brad,
The radio will auto modulate down from mod level 8 to 1 when faced
with interference. They won't stop transmitting when interference is
present however. They do work like any radio out there, two way
radio, Ip radios, Trango radios all need a specific C/I ratio to run
correctly. I
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From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
Wow back at ya there, Mike!
Never said the product was less in quality in any form. Simply sta
OK then, Patrick, Ed, whoever, is the VL a CSMAK based product like WiFi or
a polling based product like Trango?
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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Wow back at ya there, Mike!
Never said the product was less in quality in any form. Simply stating the
gear doesn't perform well under load in unfriendly RF environments.
Alvarion Techs themselves acknowledge the radios back off modulation speeds
in the face of noise. Do you know something the
Hello Tom,
Just speaking from first hand experience and the experiences of the
references Alvarion gave me. Nothing more.
The VL gear is a great product for a "best effort" solution, but not a
committed rate business class service. Two very different animals.
Again, my post was only because
Wow Brad,
With as long as you have been at this and the knowledge level you
have I am surprised you could be so far off the mark on this one. VL
does automodulate and has better RF characteristics than their
hoppers did. It won't backoff and die when presented with noise and
will still tran
Yeah, FH gear has it's ups and downs.
We do NOT offer ANY speed based plans though. All of our plans
automatically assume full speed customers. We sell bits.
I'll never understand why the internet industry thinks it's got a better
grasp on business realities than any other industry in the w
Brad,
I'm not sure that is a fair statement.
I agree, TDD/DSSS/Pol Diversity solutions can tackle that noise better, one
of the reasons Trango is still the only clear choice for a good number of my
cell sites.
But there are many reasons WISPs are making the move to OFDM. Alvarion
handles OFDM
Charles,
Although your comment is true, and you left out on the fly flexibilty, what
people want is not always the best value, at the end of the day with all
things considered.
The value of consistent availability and right out of the box deployment is
PRICELIST! This doesn't only save cost o
It's much closer Patrick. That's for sure.
Let run some numbers though.
Tranzeo or Inscape Data ap:
$450ish. Will deliver an honest 3 to 4 megs to almost anyone at ranges up
to 10 miles. 1 to 2 megs out to 15 miles.
Sector antenna, $400.
Or omni and amp, $500 to $700 depending on the qualit
Yep, the cable is pre-terminated in some odd non-code compliant pin
configuration. Oh, and pre-terminated due to the fact that the RJ45
connector doesn't fit through the weather seal! Just about a millimeter too
small!
When are you guys going to start using the standard 568A or 568B pin color
co
Hello Marlon,
VL won't be a good choice as a committed rate business grade product as it
will modulate down in a noisy environment. Without any RX threshold
mechanism the VL radio begins to slow and drop packets under heavy business
class loads in unfriendly RF environments. Even the references
BreezeACCESS VL CPE under the AlvarionCOMNET program can be had for as
low as $245. Even at $285, I'd contend it is cheaper than an equivalent
quantity of Canopy or Trango and with better total performance plus the
ability to be used for large bandwidth-requiring customers. Also, the
OPEX from inst
Patrick,
$285 "WAS" a residential price back in 2004
People now want $185 (or lower) CPEs
-Charles
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Hey Marlon, the price thresholds are there now for residential too.
That's a big part of the entire program. A $285 all inclusive CPE with
nothing extra to buy, piece together, etc. should fall within the
residential business model of even small WISPs.
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
It seems to have fixed the problem. Been a few days now with no issues.
On a side note though we just came back up from a 19 hour service outage
from AT&T, man those guys piss me off.
This has been a rough month glad its about over.
Hope everyone has a good Christmas, Take some time off and spen
Right on! Can't wait till I build another business grade system out here.
That's what I plan on using.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
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what would you like to know? There was something just released about 3650.
Anyone remember what it was???
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And
Thanks for the validation Marty. I suspect that some might have thought
there was a catch. I almost forgot that the cable was pre-terminated.
That's one of the things we don't highlight enough -- VL CPE does not
require hidden extra things to buy like power supplies, cable,
connectors, mounting kit
Chadd,
Did that fix your problem or do you still have issues?
Merry Christmas!
Mac Dearman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chadd Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 5:09 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Stra
Well we got our 1st 100 pack of VL Su's under the Comnet program
yesterday- Just wanted you all to know they are the EXACT same radios as
before the big price drop- Same high quality metal radio and still
INCLUDES the mounting hardware AND the pre-made cat5 outdoor cable (60ft
long)- the cable is w
You folks meeting the FCC, can you ask about 3.65 ghz?
Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
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Sent: Thursday, December 21,
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