Re: [WISPA] Micropops
You probably wont have billing issues with ATT Wireless. Its their legacy Bell company that sucks when it comes to billing. LOL, when I worked for ATT Wireless several years ago, they owed my department over a million dollars in credits. It took us over 2 years to get it straightened out! -RickG On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:45 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen > on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in > ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. > Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt > wrote: >> I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for >> always-on-everywhere. >> >> It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. >> >> I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas >> cities, DC, NYC, etc. >> >> Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. >> >> How can you compete with that? >> >> . . . J o n a t h a n >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson >> f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >> places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate >> but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their >> DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. >> >> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for >> data, tethered or not). >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >> >>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >>> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >>> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>> don't work? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >> much... >>> > >>> > Robert West wrote: >>> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>> > > install >>> > online >>> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >>> > > the >>> > moment. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -Original Message- >>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> > > To: WISPA General List >>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> > > >>> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >>> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>> > > resident is >>> > gone. >>> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> > > >>> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>> > > penetrates >>> the >>> > > wall and the POE. >>> > > >>> > > Josh Luthman >>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>> > > Suite 1337 >>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>> > > >>> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >>> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> inline >>> > >> >>> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >>> > >>> I'd like to hear opin
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Thats the point of the mpops. There are few places where I can not find some part of my network (or some other open wireless). I carry a PS2 and a bullet5 with 19db panel. Inverter in the van, spare battery + 200ft 10/3 cord, 10ft pole + tripod + cinder blocks. I can run down the block and drop a relay to get to my worksite if its REALLY that important. I pull the current info for a site before heading to it so I have it. 99.9% of all issues lately are due to A) the AP feeding the pop is down (legacy hardware) B) power has been pulled at mpop. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
But no matter where you area you can always get at least 2 stations on the regular old radio. County or Rap. If they would play it on the same station we could call it crap. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Problems seeing up? On 9/25/09, Robert West wrote: > I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of > Kentucky! > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt > wrote: >> I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for >> always-on-everywhere. >> >> It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. >> >> I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas >> cities, DC, NYC, etc. >> >> Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. >> >> How can you compete with that? >> >> . . . J o n a t h a n >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson >> f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >> places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate >> but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their >> DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. >> >> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for >> data, tethered or not). >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >> >>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >>> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >>> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>> don't work? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >> much... >>> > >>> > Robert West wrote: >>> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>> > > install >>> > online >>> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >>> > > the >>> > moment. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -Original Message- >>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> > > To: WISPA General List >>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> > > >>> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >>> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>> > > resident is >>> > gone. >>> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> > > >>> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>> > > penetrates >>> the >>> > > wall and the POE. >>> > > >>> > > Josh Luthman >>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>> > > Suite 1337 >>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>> > > >>> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >>> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> inline >>> > >> >>> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >>> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >>> > >>> the >>> least >>> > >>> expensive MPoP? >>> > >> 1 >>> > >> I can not think of a single pe
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Up isn't the issue, have to have a good enough side angle to see one of the satellites. If you're in a "holler" even the sun doesn't shine. Shade or dark 23.5 hours a day. Happens to me in some areas of Tennessee too. Steep mountains or hills on both sides and no where to look but straight up. I understand that Sirius has some ground based repeaters in some well populated areas that have this "canyon" issue. Speaking of which, bad reception in so called "Urban Canyons" as well, large cities with tall buildings. I believe is was the New York city area that I heard used a fair amount of repeaters. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Problems seeing up? On 9/25/09, Robert West wrote: > I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of > Kentucky! > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt > wrote: >> I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for >> always-on-everywhere. >> >> It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. >> >> I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas >> cities, DC, NYC, etc. >> >> Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. >> >> How can you compete with that? >> >> . . . J o n a t h a n >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson >> f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >> places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate >> but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their >> DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. >> >> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for >> data, tethered or not). >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >> >>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >>> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >>> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>> don't work? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >> much... >>> > >>> > Robert West wrote: >>> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>> > > install >>> > online >>> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >>> > > the >>> > moment. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -Original Message- >>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> > > To: WISPA General List >>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> > > >>> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >>> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>> > > resident is >>> > gone. >>> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> > > >>> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>> > > penetrates >>> the >>> > > wall and the POE. >>> > > >>> > > Josh Luthman >>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>> > > Suite 1337 >>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>> > > >>> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >>> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>>
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Problems seeing up? On 9/25/09, Robert West wrote: > I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of > Kentucky! > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt > wrote: >> I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for >> always-on-everywhere. >> >> It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. >> >> I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas >> cities, DC, NYC, etc. >> >> Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. >> >> How can you compete with that? >> >> . . . J o n a t h a n >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson >> f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >> places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate >> but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their >> DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. >> >> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for >> data, tethered or not). >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >> >>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >>> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >>> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>> don't work? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >> much... >>> > >>> > Robert West wrote: >>> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>> > > install >>> > online >>> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >>> > > the >>> > moment. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -Original Message- >>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> > > To: WISPA General List >>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> > > >>> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >>> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>> > > resident is >>> > gone. >>> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> > > >>> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>> > > penetrates >>> the >>> > > wall and the POE. >>> > > >>> > > Josh Luthman >>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>> > > Suite 1337 >>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>> > > >>> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >>> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> inline >>> > >> >>> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >>> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >>> > >>> the >>> least >>> > >>> expensive MPoP? >>> > >> 1 >>> > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have >>> > >> a >>> > > laptop. >>> > >> They >>> > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage >>> > >> it, >>> they >>> > >> have >>> > >> ZERO access to it) >>> > >> >>> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >>> > >> some >>> > >> user/pass) is >>> > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I have problems getting even my Sirius radio to work in some parts of Kentucky! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: > I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for > always-on-everywhere. > > It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. > > I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas > cities, DC, NYC, etc. > > Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. > > How can you compete with that? > > . . . J o n a t h a n > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson > f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many > places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate > but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their > DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. > > Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for > data, tethered or not). > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West > wrote: > >> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >> don't work? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >> wrote: >> >> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that > much... >> > >> > Robert West wrote: >> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >> > > install >> > online >> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >> > > the >> > moment. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >> > > To: WISPA General List >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> > > >> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >> > > resident is >> > gone. >> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >> > > >> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >> > > penetrates >> the >> > > wall and the POE. >> > > >> > > Josh Luthman >> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > > 1100 Wayne St >> > > Suite 1337 >> > > Troy, OH 45373 >> > > >> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >> > > >> > >> inline >> > >> >> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >> > >>> >> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >> > >>> the >> least >> > >>> expensive MPoP? >> > >> 1 >> > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have >> > >> a >> > > laptop. >> > >> They >> > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage >> > >> it, >> they >> > >> have >> > >> ZERO access to it) >> > >> >> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >> > >> some >> > >> user/pass) is >> > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >> > >> >> > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs >> > devalues >> > >> my >> > >>> business to a prospective buyer. >> > >> Why? >> > >> >> > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPo
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Josh, You know as well as I do, nothing works when and where you REALLY need it! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops It works in cities, sure. Does it work where your customers (WISP subs) are? On 9/25/09, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: > I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for > always-on-everywhere. > > It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. > > I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas > cities, DC, NYC, etc. > > Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. > > How can you compete with that? > > . . . J o n a t h a n > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson > f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many > places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate > but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their > DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. > > Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for > data, tethered or not). > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West > wrote: > >> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >> don't work? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >> wrote: >> >> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that > much... >> > >> > Robert West wrote: >> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >> > > install >> > online >> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >> > > the >> > moment. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >> > > To: WISPA General List >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> > > >> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >> > > resident is >> > gone. >> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >> > > >> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >> > > penetrates >> the >> > > wall and the POE. >> > > >> > > Josh Luthman >> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > > 1100 Wayne St >> > > Suite 1337 >> > > Troy, OH 45373 >> > > >> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >> > > >> > >> inline >> > >> >> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >> > >>> >> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >> > >>> the >> least >> > >>> expensive MPoP? >> > >> 1 >> > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have >> > >> a >> > > laptop. >> > >> They >> > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage >> > >> it, >> they >> > >> have >> > >> ZERO access to it) >> > >> >> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >> > >> some >> > >> user/pass) is >> > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >> > >> >> > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs >> > devalues >> > >> my >> > >>> business to a prospective buyer. >> > >> Why? >> > >> >> > >>> 3. I've always thought that h
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I have 3G (enough to make a series of phone calls for a 15 minute conversation). I don't care if it's 200k. Just that I can get connected and at least crawl!!! On 9/25/09, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen > on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in > ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. > Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt > wrote: >> I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for >> always-on-everywhere. >> >> It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. >> >> I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas >> cities, DC, NYC, etc. >> >> Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. >> >> How can you compete with that? >> >> . . . J o n a t h a n >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson >> f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >> places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate >> but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their >> DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. >> >> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for >> data, tethered or not). >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >> >>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >>> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >>> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>> don't work? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >> much... >>> > >>> > Robert West wrote: >>> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>> > > install >>> > online >>> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >>> > > the >>> > moment. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -Original Message- >>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> > > To: WISPA General List >>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> > > >>> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >>> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>> > > resident is >>> > gone. >>> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> > > >>> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>> > > penetrates >>> the >>> > > wall and the POE. >>> > > >>> > > Josh Luthman >>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>> > > Suite 1337 >>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>> > > >>> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >>> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> inline >>> > >> >>> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >>> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >>> > >>> the >>> least >>> > >>> e
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Damn, that's a good setup then! AT&T has a decent domestic setup from my experience with setting them up for customers. They even have a decent way to get internet access for no extra cash if the phone is setup right. Not exactly ethical but I would think that since the instructions have been on the net for so long they would have closed that loophole if they had an issue with it. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West wrote: > I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way > to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn > into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things > don't work? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney > wrote: > > > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because > > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... > > > > Robert West wrote: > > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every > > > install > > online > > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at > > > the > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > > > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if > > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the > > > resident is > > gone. > > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > > > > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it > > > penetrates > the > > > wall and the POE. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > Suite 1337 > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, > > > however improbable, must be the truth." > > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > > > > > >> inline > > >> > > >> Mark Nash wrote: > > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > >>> > > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even > > >>> the > least > > >>> expensive MPoP? > > >> 1 > > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have > > >> a > > > laptop. > > >> They > > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage > > >> it, > they > > >> have > > >> ZERO access to it) > > >> > > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out > > >> some > > >> user/pass) is > > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > > >> > > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs > > devalues > > >> my > > >>> business to a prospective buyer. > > >> Why? > > >> > > >>> 3.
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I have 3G (enough to make a series of phone calls for a 15 minute conversation). I don't care if it's 200k. Just that I can get connected and at least crawl!!! On 9/25/09, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen > on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in > ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. > Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt > wrote: >> I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for >> always-on-everywhere. >> >> It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. >> >> I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas >> cities, DC, NYC, etc. >> >> Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. >> >> How can you compete with that? >> >> . . . J o n a t h a n >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson >> f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many >> places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate >> but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their >> DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. >> >> Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for >> data, tethered or not). >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West >> wrote: >> >>> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >>> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >>> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >>> don't work? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >>> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that >> much... >>> > >>> > Robert West wrote: >>> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >>> > > install >>> > online >>> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >>> > > the >>> > moment. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -Original Message- >>> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> > > To: WISPA General List >>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> > > >>> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >>> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >>> > > resident is >>> > gone. >>> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> > > >>> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >>> > > penetrates >>> the >>> > > wall and the POE. >>> > > >>> > > Josh Luthman >>> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >>> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> > > 1100 Wayne St >>> > > Suite 1337 >>> > > Troy, OH 45373 >>> > > >>> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >>> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >>> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> inline >>> > >> >>> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >>> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >>> > >>> the >>> least >>> > >>> e
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
AT&T seems to have way too many issues with their DNS. They were down again for a 3 days last week in some areas around us. Oh, but they will never admit it! NOOO! It's always the customers fault and then they drag it into us where we have to tell them it's AT&T. "No, they said it was my computer.yada, yada, yada." Sigh... "Sorry, I must be stupid then." In our area, Verizon, which we use, is pretty good with the coverage. I've had one time I couldn't connect but I just had go down the road. But it just depends on where you are, lot of places outside our area have some really dead spots. Just fire up your Iridium phone! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West wrote: > I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to > blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into > a > brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney > wrote: > > > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their > > connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... > > > > Robert West wrote: > > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install > > online > > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > > > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's > > > another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is > > gone. > > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > > > > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates > the > > > wall and the POE. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > Suite 1337 > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > > improbable, must be the truth." > > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > > > > > >> inline > > >> > > >> Mark Nash wrote: > > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > >>> > > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the > least > > >>> expensive MPoP? > > >> 1 > > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a > > > laptop. > > >> They > > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, > they > > >> have > > >> ZERO access to it) > > >> > > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some > > >> user/pass) is > > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > > >> > > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs > > devalues > > >> my > > >>> business to a prospective buyer. > > >> Why? > > >> > > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for > > > tech > > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what > > > each > > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > > >> Documentation! > > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a > place > > >> where I > > >> store everything (other then just my brain!) eve
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Outside of major cities here in KY we are lucky to have Edge. Max I've seen on Edge is about 200k, and that is pushing it. YMMV. I've got a built-in ATT card, and I just take the sim out of my phone to put in the laptop. Works like a charm, and never had any issues billing wise either. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: > I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for > always-on-everywhere. > > It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. > > I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas > cities, DC, NYC, etc. > > Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. > > How can you compete with that? > > . . . J o n a t h a n > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson > f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many > places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate > but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their > DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. > > Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for > data, tethered or not). > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West > wrote: > >> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >> don't work? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >> wrote: >> >> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that > much... >> > >> > Robert West wrote: >> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >> > > install >> > online >> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >> > > the >> > moment. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >> > > To: WISPA General List >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> > > >> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >> > > resident is >> > gone. >> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >> > > >> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >> > > penetrates >> the >> > > wall and the POE. >> > > >> > > Josh Luthman >> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > > 1100 Wayne St >> > > Suite 1337 >> > > Troy, OH 45373 >> > > >> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >> > > >> > >> inline >> > >> >> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >> > >>> >> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >> > >>> the >> least >> > >>> expensive MPoP? >> > >> 1 >> > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have >> > >> a >> > > laptop. >> > >> They >> > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage >> > >> it, >> they >> > >> have >> > >> ZERO access to it) >> > >> >> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >> > >> some >> > >
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
On clarification, when you save a map, RM does not save the picture. Saving a picture is a separate function. If you save the picture as a JPG, it also creates a KML file. While the picture does not have the units which you can open the kml in Google Earth. If you have the units there as well, you will get what you are looking for. You may want to join the RM Yahoo group and ask there. I know there was some discussion about this earlier, but I do not remember all that was said. David E. Smith wrote: > Since we're sorta turning this into a general "Radio Mobile questions" > thread... > > Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units > as drawn on the map, as part of the picture? > > When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the > map. When you save the map, though, it doesn't save those units as part > of the picture. If you're making a small map, you can easily work around > that by just taking a screenshot (and then cropping out the GUI stuff), > but if your map is bigger than the screen, you either have to go without > or take several screenshots and later stitch them together. > > Since Radio Mobile is pretty awesome at so many other things, I'm > assuming there's an option for this and I'm just not sure what it's called. > > Thanks! > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2394 - Release Date: 09/25/09 > 05:51:00 > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Come to rural Kentuckyh and see if it works :) On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: > I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for > always-on-everywhere. > > It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. > > I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas > cities, DC, NYC, etc. > > Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. > > How can you compete with that? > > . . . J o n a t h a n > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson > f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many > places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate > but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their > DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. > > Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for > data, tethered or not). > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West > wrote: > >> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >> don't work? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >> wrote: >> >> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that > much... >> > >> > Robert West wrote: >> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >> > > install >> > online >> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >> > > the >> > moment. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >> > > To: WISPA General List >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> > > >> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >> > > resident is >> > gone. >> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >> > > >> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >> > > penetrates >> the >> > > wall and the POE. >> > > >> > > Josh Luthman >> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > > 1100 Wayne St >> > > Suite 1337 >> > > Troy, OH 45373 >> > > >> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >> > > >> > >> inline >> > >> >> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >> > >>> >> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >> > >>> the >> least >> > >>> expensive MPoP? >> > >> 1 >> > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have >> > >> a >> > > laptop. >> > >> They >> > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage >> > >> it, >> they >> > >> have >> > >> ZERO access to it) >> > >> >> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >> > >> some >> > >> user/pass) is >> > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >> > >> >> > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs >> > devalues >> > >> my >> > >>> business to a prospective buyer. >> > >> Why? >> > >> >> > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem >> > >>> for >> > > tech >> > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows >> > >>> what >> > > each >> > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). >> > >> Documentation! >> > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
It works in cities, sure. Does it work where your customers (WISP subs) are? On 9/25/09, Jonathan Schmidt wrote: > I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for > always-on-everywhere. > > It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. > > I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas > cities, DC, NYC, etc. > > Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. > > How can you compete with that? > > . . . J o n a t h a n > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson > f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many > places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate > but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their > DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. > > Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for > data, tethered or not). > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West > wrote: > >> I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way >> to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> >> Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn >> into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things >> don't work? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney >> wrote: >> >> > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because >> > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that > much... >> > >> > Robert West wrote: >> > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every >> > > install >> > online >> > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at >> > > the >> > moment. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -Original Message- >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >> > > To: WISPA General List >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >> > > >> > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if >> > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the >> > > resident is >> > gone. >> > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >> > > >> > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it >> > > penetrates >> the >> > > wall and the POE. >> > > >> > > Josh Luthman >> > > Office: 937-552-2340 >> > > Direct: 937-552-2343 >> > > 1100 Wayne St >> > > Suite 1337 >> > > Troy, OH 45373 >> > > >> > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, >> > > however improbable, must be the truth." >> > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >> > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >> > > >> > >> inline >> > >> >> > >> Mark Nash wrote: >> > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >> > >>> >> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even >> > >>> the >> least >> > >>> expensive MPoP? >> > >> 1 >> > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have >> > >> a >> > > laptop. >> > >> They >> > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage >> > >> it, >> they >> > >> have >> > >> ZERO access to it) >> > >> >> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out >> > >> some >> > >> user/pass) is >> > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >> > >> >> > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs >> > devalues >> > >> my >> > >>> business to a prospective buyer. >> > >> Why? >> > >> >> > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem >> > >>> for >> > > tech >> > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows >> > >>> what >> > > each >> > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). >> > >> Documentation! >> > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West wrote: > I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way > to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn > into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things > don't work? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney > wrote: > > > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because > > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... > > > > Robert West wrote: > > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every > > > install > > online > > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at > > > the > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > > > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if > > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the > > > resident is > > gone. > > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > > > > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it > > > penetrates > the > > > wall and the POE. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > Suite 1337 > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, > > > however improbable, must be the truth." > > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > > > > > >> inline > > >> > > >> Mark Nash wrote: > > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > >>> > > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even > > >>> the > least > > >>> expensive MPoP? > > >> 1 > > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have > > >> a > > > laptop. > > >> They > > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage > > >> it, > they > > >> have > > >> ZERO access to it) > > >> > > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out > > >> some > > >> user/pass) is > > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > > >> > > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs > > devalues > > >> my > > >>> business to a prospective buyer. > > >> Why? > > >> > > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem > > >>> for > > > tech > > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows > > >>> what > > > each > > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > > >> Documentation! > > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a > place > > >> where I > > >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still > > >> in > the > > > one > > >> man > > >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every > > >> application, > > reams > > >> of > > >> note pads, etc. I distill it
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West wrote: > I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to > blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into > a > brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney > wrote: > > > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their > > connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... > > > > Robert West wrote: > > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install > > online > > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > > > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's > > > another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is > > gone. > > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > > > > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates > the > > > wall and the POE. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > Suite 1337 > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > > improbable, must be the truth." > > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > > > > > >> inline > > >> > > >> Mark Nash wrote: > > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > >>> > > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the > least > > >>> expensive MPoP? > > >> 1 > > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a > > > laptop. > > >> They > > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, > they > > >> have > > >> ZERO access to it) > > >> > > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some > > >> user/pass) is > > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > > >> > > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs > > devalues > > >> my > > >>> business to a prospective buyer. > > >> Why? > > >> > > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for > > > tech > > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what > > > each > > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > > >> Documentation! > > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a > place > > >> where I > > >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in > the > > > one > > >> man > > >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, > > reams > > >> of > > >> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am > > >> missing > > >> most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map > > setup. > > >> > > >>> I think this is good discussion... > > >>> > > >>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > > >>> > > >>> Depends on a few factors... > > >>> > > >>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? > > >> Yes! =) > > >> > > >> OK OK, no bank robberies. > > >> > > >>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & > no > > >>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) > > >> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and > > >> everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted U
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Smart ass. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I Googled for SRTM, went to the first link and followed the instructions on how to download, which has the region map. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the > correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I > gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the > way. > > Thanks! > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Crash course: > > First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile > Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: > http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html > Once installed (leave program closed) download > http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip > Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder > (overwrite): > - rmpatheng.exe > - rmUpdateeng.exe > - rmweng.exe > - rmweng.hlp > > Run rmUpdateeng.exe > > This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc > installed. > > Open RM (rmweng.exe) > Go to Options --> Internet --> SRTM > - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and > leep a local copy > - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X > - Close this window > > Now you are ready to start using RM > > Go to File --> New Networks > - New Net initialization > - Use default values > - OK > > Go to File --> Map Properties > - Elevation data source SRTM > - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm > - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map > - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) > - Set size to 50km high > - Click Extract > > Go to Edit --> Merge > - Choose Internet MapPoint > - Draw > > you should end up with a map that has terrain data. > > now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the > place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in > the thing?? > > > I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... "Are you > STILL up?!" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you > do > that it will gel. > > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) > > > From: Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says > it's > easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also > have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and > the > wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Robert West wrote: >> What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you >> plan >> the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't > get >> that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been >> finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in > Google >> Earth. > > Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free > tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The > trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you > only have to do that once.) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Which is why I talked to Time Warner about it because our salesman told me we could resell at a wholesale rate and then we do the billing and mark it up and we pay Time Warner the lump sum for the wholesale. Both video and road runner. However, he failed to mention that it was limited to providing over their cable, not our wireless. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality There's a difference between being a DirecTV dealer and providing DirecTV service. You CAN get a wholesale rate on DirecTV services, include it on your bill for whatever markup, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "jp" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned > community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make > it work. > > However, if you want to transmit television over/under public > property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are > a cable provider. You then have to be a registered cable company and > meet local franchise requirements (such as coverage requirements, > franchies fees, PEG channels), or an Open Video provider (as described > by the FCC) and be subject to the conditions of that type of business. > Something like HITS (headend in the sky) is often used for smaller cable > systems. I'm sure there are some others as well. > > I have reason to believe the sat companies will not provide the channels > or gear to you if you appear to be doing the TV content distribution > business outside of the law. > > We're setup as a DirecTV dealer in addition to our ISP business. We like > their TV technology ourselves, and we like helping people get away from > TimeWarner/Roadrunner. We also get a sales commision and are compensated > for the installs. We're not selling a ton yet, as it's a fairly complex > mix of options and we're still getting up to speed. > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:19:07AM -0400, Robert West wrote: >> Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this >> yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Curtis Maurand >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> >> >> Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to >> resell. >> --C >> Robert West wrote: >> > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do >> Free >> > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what >> > type >> > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to >> Rebroadcast??! >> > >> > >> > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their >> > content >> > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the >> > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would >> > just >> > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to >> > the >> > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. >> > >> > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up >> > and >> how >> > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly >> there >> > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. >> > >> > Bob- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... >> You >> > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. >> > >> > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good >> > video >> > content. >> > >> > >> > - >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > From: "Clint Ricker" >> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > >> >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to >> >> streaming of video. >> >> >> >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for >> >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some >> >> progress >> to >> >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your >> >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent >> >> ISPs.
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Thanks Mike. They make it so easy, these government operations. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the > correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I > gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the > way. > > Thanks! > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Crash course: > > First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile > Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: > http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html > Once installed (leave program closed) download > http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip > Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder > (overwrite): > - rmpatheng.exe > - rmUpdateeng.exe > - rmweng.exe > - rmweng.hlp > > Run rmUpdateeng.exe > > This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc > installed. > > Open RM (rmweng.exe) > Go to Options --> Internet --> SRTM > - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and > leep a local copy > - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X > - Close this window > > Now you are ready to start using RM > > Go to File --> New Networks > - New Net initialization > - Use default values > - OK > > Go to File --> Map Properties > - Elevation data source SRTM > - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm > - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map > - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) > - Set size to 50km high > - Click Extract > > Go to Edit --> Merge > - Choose Internet MapPoint > - Draw > > you should end up with a map that has terrain data. > > now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the > place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in > the thing?? > > > I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... "Are you > STILL up?!" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you > do > that it will gel. > > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) > > > From: Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says > it's > easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also > have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and > the > wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Robert West wrote: >> What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you >> plan >> the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't > get >> that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been >> finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in > Google >> Earth. > > Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free > tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The > trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you > only have to do that once.) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ >
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
And my wife complains, "Why do you always have to take those tools with you everywhere we go?" DUH! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cheney Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops My point wasn't that there are no alternative ways to access information on the web, but rather one should consider the scenarios where this sort of information will be the most useful. If you are most commonly going to need a tool or a piece of information in a particular situation, you need to make it as easy as you can to access it in that situation. If you always need a set of crimpers when you've put on an end, then the crimpers and the ends should be together. If you are most often going to need pictures when a link is down, then you should be able to see pictures when a link is down. Yes, for most of you there is going to be someone in the office that you can call. For me, there almost never was. Josh Josh Luthman wrote: > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a > brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney wrote: > >> Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their >> connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... >> >> Robert West wrote: >>> I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install >> online >>> so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the >> moment. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's >>> another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is >> gone. >>> Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> >>> Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the >>> wall and the POE. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>> jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>> inline Mark Nash wrote: > I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least > expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a >>> laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs >> devalues my > business to a prospective buyer. Why? > 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for >>> tech > support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what >>> each > installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the >>> one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, >> reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map >> setup. > I think this is good discussion... > > Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > > Depends on a few factors... > > 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. > 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no > access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us know there was a issue with one of
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Since we're sorta turning this into a general "Radio Mobile questions" thread... Anyone know how to tell Radio Mobile, when you save a map, to save units as drawn on the map, as part of the picture? When you look at a map on-screen, you can have it overlay units on the map. When you save the map, though, it doesn't save those units as part of the picture. If you're making a small map, you can easily work around that by just taking a screenshot (and then cropping out the GUI stuff), but if your map is bigger than the screen, you either have to go without or take several screenshots and later stitch them together. Since Radio Mobile is pretty awesome at so many other things, I'm assuming there's an option for this and I'm just not sure what it's called. Thanks! David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney wrote: > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their > connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... > > Robert West wrote: > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install > online > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the > moment. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's > > another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is > gone. > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the > > wall and the POE. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > > > >> inline > >> > >> Mark Nash wrote: > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > >>> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least > >>> expensive MPoP? > >> 1 > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a > > laptop. > >> They > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they > >> have > >> ZERO access to it) > >> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some > >> user/pass) is > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > >> > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs > devalues > >> my > >>> business to a prospective buyer. > >> Why? > >> > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for > > tech > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what > > each > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > >> Documentation! > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a place > >> where I > >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the > > one > >> man > >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, > reams > >> of > >> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am > >> missing > >> most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map > setup. > >> > >>> I think this is good discussion... > >>> > >>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > >>> > >>> Depends on a few factors... > >>> > >>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? > >> Yes! =) > >> > >> OK OK, no bank robberies. > >> > >>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no > >>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) > >> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and > >> everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes > >> sense > >> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In > >> years > >> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us know there > >> was a > >> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery > > was > >> bad > >> till after the power failed. > >> > >>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to > >> traditional > >>> "inside-the-box" installations? > >> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put > > in > >> time > >> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not > >> demand > >> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect > that > >> to > >> change some day. > >> > >> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port > > $2000, > >> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof access) > is > >> to far > >> out side the box". This is 10 years ag
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
We do it old school in that case, tether the cell to the laptop. :) No fancy iPhone on this end! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cheney Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 2:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's > another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the > wall and the POE. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > >> inline >> >> Mark Nash wrote: >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >>> >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least >>> expensive MPoP? >> 1 >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a > laptop. >> They >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they >> have >> ZERO access to it) >> >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some >> user/pass) is >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >> >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues >> my >>> business to a prospective buyer. >> Why? >> >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for > tech >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what > each >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). >> Documentation! >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a place >> where I >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the > one >> man >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams >> of >> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am >> missing >> most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. >> >>> I think this is good discussion... >>> >>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. >>> >>> Depends on a few factors... >>> >>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? >> Yes! =) >> >> OK OK, no bank robberies. >> >>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no >>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) >> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and >> everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes >> sense >> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In >> years >> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us know there >> was a >> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery > was >> bad >> till after the power failed. >> >>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to >> traditional >>> "inside-the-box" installations? >> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put > in >> time >> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not >> demand >> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that >> to >> change some day. >> >> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port > $2000, >> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof access) is >> to far >> out side the box". This is 10 years ago. >> >> >> On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so > in >> tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I > were >> to >> ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am >> certifiable. >> >> >>> Mark Nash >>> UnwiredWest >>> 78 Centennial Loop >>> Suite E >>> Eugene, OR 97401 >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> http://www.unwiredwest.com >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz when
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I can see where that would make sense due to the terrain. The micropops can let you bend and curve your coverage. Every place needs a solution, that seems to be the one. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Rural-Urban. 7kft mountains with 3kft valleys. Highest tower is currently 1300ft over the valley and links 3 towns + rural. Working on access to a new site 30 miles away (los), 5kft elevation, would link in 4 new towns and adding around 2200sqmiles (about twice the current coverable area). In town its average tree/building density of a suburban area (100ft trees, 35ft houses). Range on the pops is 2 to 6 blocks, depending on trees, houses, etc. Most have los to a primary site, very very few run off another pop. MT is the core hotspot controller. I am working on a new hotspot page for user self registration and signup so no more 3AM calls. I have a mix of hardware but have standardized on MT, StarOS and Ubiquity in my network. I am building a new tower to test out the newest gear from Ubiquity. Jeromie Robert West wrote: > What equipment are you using and what's the range and terrain are you > dealing with? > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:35 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > My entire network is pretty much done as micropops. I use 5ghz for BH to all > primary points with a mix of 5g and 2.4g AP's off the BH where needed. Most > of the pops are using 5ghz feeds (I think there are less then 10 left with > 2.4g feeds, and all of those are 10mhz channels and just work. When they act > up they get upgraded) > > > Mark McElvy wrote: >> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute >> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full >> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH >> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to >> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. >> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to >> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous >> solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I >> know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't >> need. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options --> Internet --> SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File --> New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File --> Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit --> Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... "Are you STILL up?!" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: > What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan > the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get > that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been > finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google > Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Ar
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Here's a great historical perspective on DSLREPORTS: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/What-Network-Neutrality-Is-REALLY-About -104631 . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality ? On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Tell that to espn. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Clint Ricker" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:52 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > > > Tom, > > Your hypothetical about Comcast, etc... creating "private networks" > > is unfounded and not likely to happen. In the end, it misses the > > point that the "Internet", from a consumer perspective, is NOT > > bandwidth and has > very > > little to do with the bits and bytes that you shuffle around your > network. > > The Internet IS the edge, it's the applications and users (since so > > much content is peer-generated these days). > > > > Want proof? Block Google and Facebook for 1 day and see how many > > people care that "your service" is working :). Do it for a week and > > see how > many > > customers you retain. Repeat for any of the other apps that your > > customers use. The balance of power, in terms of customer > > retention, is on the application providers side, since, from a > > customer perspective, the apps are Internet. > > > > As I recall, the "private networks" were tried back in the 90s by > > AOL, etc... they had a user base of millions and lots of premium > > content (in terms of dollar investment, the "best" content was on > > AOL, Compuserv, Prodigy, etc... for a time). It didn't matter, the > > users overwhelmingly chose the open Internet. Even the WISPA crowd > > has been more profitable than the guys that chose to do "private" > > networks :) > > > > Oh, and there's the small detail that every service provider in the > nation > > is running their network over public assets: whether it's on the > > poles, > in > > the ground, or running over wireless using licensed (leased) or > unlicensed > > spectrum (which isn't quite the same deal, I realize). If they want > > to run "private" networks, then they have to do it on land that they > > own or that they compensate the government for > > appropriately--current pole attachment rates and so forth are not > > applicable to companies that are wanting to build out solely private > > networks. > > > > -Clint Ricker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tom DeReggi > > wrote: > > > >> For those that have not yet read it, the relevent site to read is > >> > >> http://www.openinternet.gov/read-speech.html > >> > >> We need to realize and seperate two things... > >> > >> 1) that the intent of NetNeutrality expressed at this site, is an > >> idealalistic view, to keep the Internet open and free, which is > >> hard to combat based on the "ideals", and we should recognize that > >> the goal of > an > >> open Internet is not specifically what we are fighting. > >> 2) The reality that idealistic views dont translate to how the > >> Internet Industry really works. And the site's proposed methodology > >> to attempt preservation of an open network, infact may be harmful > >> to consumers and delivery of most common Internet services from > >> competitive Access providers. > >> What we need to fight are mechanisms and ideas that harm access > >> providers, or that prioritize content provider's needs over that of > >> access providers. > >> > >> There is an important thing to realize. One of NetNeutrality's > >> biggest advocates is now I think Chief of Staff. (Bruce somebody). > >> NetNeutrality will be directly addressed in the new FCC, we can > >> count on that. More so than in past commissions. > >> > >> Over the next 3 months I believe WISPA will need to get actively > >> engaged in Netneutrality lobbying. It will need to be a combined > >> effort between legislative and FCC committees. > >> The Legislative committee will need to fight bills being plannedd > >> to be introducted to congress, and FCC committee will need to fight > >> for WISP rights in soon to come FCC rulemaking. > >> It is my belief that government policy makers are timming their > >> efforts so legislation and FCC rules will come to effect togeather, > >> as legislation is pointing to the FCC to make rules. > >> We can start to lobby legislators now, while bills are government > working > >> groups. And possibly there could be public hearings, where we > >> might be able to request participation in them? > >> For FCC, we most likely would need to wait for the Notice of > >> PRoposed Rule making. Allthough ideally, its technically possible > >> to lobby for > proposed > >> rules to never get to rule making stage. > >> (although I dont think its l
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
? On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Tell that to espn. > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Clint Ricker" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:52 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > > > Tom, > > Your hypothetical about Comcast, etc... creating "private networks" is > > unfounded and not likely to happen. In the end, it misses the point that > > the "Internet", from a consumer perspective, is NOT bandwidth and has > very > > little to do with the bits and bytes that you shuffle around your > network. > > The Internet IS the edge, it's the applications and users (since so much > > content is peer-generated these days). > > > > Want proof? Block Google and Facebook for 1 day and see how many people > > care that "your service" is working :). Do it for a week and see how > many > > customers you retain. Repeat for any of the other apps that your > > customers > > use. The balance of power, in terms of customer retention, is on the > > application providers side, since, from a customer perspective, the apps > > are > > Internet. > > > > As I recall, the "private networks" were tried back in the 90s by AOL, > > etc... they had a user base of millions and lots of premium content (in > > terms of dollar investment, the "best" content was on AOL, Compuserv, > > Prodigy, etc... for a time). It didn't matter, the users overwhelmingly > > chose the open Internet. Even the WISPA crowd has been more profitable > > than > > the guys that chose to do "private" networks :) > > > > Oh, and there's the small detail that every service provider in the > nation > > is running their network over public assets: whether it's on the poles, > in > > the ground, or running over wireless using licensed (leased) or > unlicensed > > spectrum (which isn't quite the same deal, I realize). If they want to > > run > > "private" networks, then they have to do it on land that they own or that > > they compensate the government for appropriately--current pole attachment > > rates and so forth are not applicable to companies that are wanting to > > build > > out solely private networks. > > > > -Clint Ricker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tom DeReggi > > wrote: > > > >> For those that have not yet read it, the relevent site to read is > >> > >> http://www.openinternet.gov/read-speech.html > >> > >> We need to realize and seperate two things... > >> > >> 1) that the intent of NetNeutrality expressed at this site, is an > >> idealalistic view, to keep the Internet open and free, which is hard to > >> combat based on the "ideals", and we should recognize that the goal of > an > >> open Internet is not specifically what we are fighting. > >> 2) The reality that idealistic views dont translate to how the Internet > >> Industry really works. And the site's proposed methodology to attempt > >> preservation of an open network, infact may be harmful to consumers and > >> delivery of most common Internet services from competitive Access > >> providers. > >> What we need to fight are mechanisms and ideas that harm access > >> providers, > >> or that prioritize content provider's needs over that of access > >> providers. > >> > >> There is an important thing to realize. One of NetNeutrality's biggest > >> advocates is now I think Chief of Staff. (Bruce somebody). NetNeutrality > >> will be directly addressed in the new FCC, we can count on that. More so > >> than in past commissions. > >> > >> Over the next 3 months I believe WISPA will need to get actively engaged > >> in > >> Netneutrality lobbying. It will need to be a combined effort between > >> legislative and FCC committees. > >> The Legislative committee will need to fight bills being plannedd to be > >> introducted to congress, and FCC committee will need to fight for WISP > >> rights in soon to come FCC rulemaking. > >> It is my belief that government policy makers are timming their efforts > >> so > >> legislation and FCC rules will come to effect togeather, as legislation > >> is > >> pointing to the FCC to make rules. > >> We can start to lobby legislators now, while bills are government > working > >> groups. And possibly there could be public hearings, where we might be > >> able > >> to request participation in them? > >> For FCC, we most likely would need to wait for the Notice of PRoposed > >> Rule > >> making. Allthough ideally, its technically possible to lobby for > proposed > >> rules to never get to rule making stage. > >> (although I dont think its likely for that to occur). > >> > >> We are going to need to decide whether we want to fight the core concept > >> all > >> togeather, or fight for details and wording that make the idealisitic > >> views > >> realistic in a way not to harm ISP. > >> I believe we will likely have a better chance of winning our view, if we > >> all > >> togeather fight netneutrality in its entirely, jsut because we'd ahve
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations
You want the MT-484034/NH Call Daniel White, 3db networks. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > MTI, no doubt. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "pat" > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:38 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations > > > Looking to add a few 5.8GHz sectors, and I would like know what everyone > > else is using. > > > > My first on that will go up ASAP is a 120' sector antenna, HPOL, > > N-connector. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I Googled for SRTM, went to the first link and followed the instructions on how to download, which has the region map. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the > correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I > gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the > way. > > Thanks! > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Crash course: > > First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile > Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: > http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html > Once installed (leave program closed) download > http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip > Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder > (overwrite): > - rmpatheng.exe > - rmUpdateeng.exe > - rmweng.exe > - rmweng.hlp > > Run rmUpdateeng.exe > > This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc > installed. > > Open RM (rmweng.exe) > Go to Options --> Internet --> SRTM > - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and > leep a local copy > - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X > - Close this window > > Now you are ready to start using RM > > Go to File --> New Networks > - New Net initialization > - Use default values > - OK > > Go to File --> Map Properties > - Elevation data source SRTM > - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm > - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map > - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) > - Set size to 50km high > - Click Extract > > Go to Edit --> Merge > - Choose Internet MapPoint > - Draw > > you should end up with a map that has terrain data. > > now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the > place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in > the thing?? > > > I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... "Are you > STILL up?!" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you > do > that it will gel. > > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) > > > From: Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says > it's > easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also > have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and > the > wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Robert West wrote: >> What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you >> plan >> the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't > get >> that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been >> finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in > Google >> Earth. > > Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free > tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The > trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you > only have to do that once.) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/piperm
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations
MTI, no doubt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "pat" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 1:38 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations > Looking to add a few 5.8GHz sectors, and I would like know what everyone > else is using. > > My first on that will go up ASAP is a 120' sector antenna, HPOL, > N-connector. > > Thanks, > > Pat > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
The local governments have no say. They can't regulate the airwaves, and the airwaves are what crosses property lines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:49 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > How does DirectTV and the like get out of that red tape mess then? Do > they > pay franchise fees? Or is beaming from space a bit different in the eyes > of > the FCC? > > Just wondering. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of jp > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:43 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned > community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make > it work. > > However, if you want to transmit television over/under public > property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are > a cable provider. You then have to be a registered cable company and > meet local franchise requirements (such as coverage requirements, > franchies fees, PEG channels), or an Open Video provider (as described > by the FCC) and be subject to the conditions of that type of business. > Something like HITS (headend in the sky) is often used for smaller cable > systems. I'm sure there are some others as well. > > I have reason to believe the sat companies will not provide the channels > or gear to you if you appear to be doing the TV content distribution > business outside of the law. > > We're setup as a DirecTV dealer in addition to our ISP business. We like > their TV technology ourselves, and we like helping people get away from > TimeWarner/Roadrunner. We also get a sales commision and are compensated > for the installs. We're not selling a ton yet, as it's a fairly complex > mix of options and we're still getting up to speed. > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:19:07AM -0400, Robert West wrote: >> Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this >> yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Curtis Maurand >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> >> >> Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to > resell. >> --C >> Robert West wrote: >> > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do >> Free >> > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what > type >> > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to >> Rebroadcast??! >> > >> > >> > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their > content >> > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the >> > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would >> > just >> > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to > the >> > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. >> > >> > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up >> > and >> how >> > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly >> there >> > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. >> > >> > Bob- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... >> You >> > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. >> > >> > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good >> > video > >> > content. >> > >> > >> > - >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > From: "Clint Ricker" >> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > >> >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to >> >> streaming of video. >> >> >> >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for >> >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some >> >> progress >> to >> >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your >> >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent > ISPs. >> >> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) >> >> should >> >> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for >> >> FREE" > >> >> and >> >> get people to shi
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
There's a difference between being a DirecTV dealer and providing DirecTV service. You CAN get a wholesale rate on DirecTV services, include it on your bill for whatever markup, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "jp" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:42 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned > community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make > it work. > > However, if you want to transmit television over/under public > property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are > a cable provider. You then have to be a registered cable company and > meet local franchise requirements (such as coverage requirements, > franchies fees, PEG channels), or an Open Video provider (as described > by the FCC) and be subject to the conditions of that type of business. > Something like HITS (headend in the sky) is often used for smaller cable > systems. I'm sure there are some others as well. > > I have reason to believe the sat companies will not provide the channels > or gear to you if you appear to be doing the TV content distribution > business outside of the law. > > We're setup as a DirecTV dealer in addition to our ISP business. We like > their TV technology ourselves, and we like helping people get away from > TimeWarner/Roadrunner. We also get a sales commision and are compensated > for the installs. We're not selling a ton yet, as it's a fairly complex > mix of options and we're still getting up to speed. > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:19:07AM -0400, Robert West wrote: >> Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this >> yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Curtis Maurand >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> >> >> Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to >> resell. >> --C >> Robert West wrote: >> > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do >> Free >> > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what >> > type >> > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to >> Rebroadcast??! >> > >> > >> > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their >> > content >> > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the >> > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would >> > just >> > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to >> > the >> > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. >> > >> > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up >> > and >> how >> > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly >> there >> > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. >> > >> > Bob- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... >> You >> > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. >> > >> > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good >> > video >> > content. >> > >> > >> > - >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > From: "Clint Ricker" >> > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > >> >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to >> >> streaming of video. >> >> >> >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for >> >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some >> >> progress >> to >> >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your >> >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent >> >> ISPs. >> >> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) >> >> should >> >> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for >> >> FREE" >> >> and >> >> get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on >> >> triple play packages over your way. >> >> >> >> -Clint Ricker >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West >> >> >>> wrote: >>
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
http://dds.cr.usgs.gov/srtm/version2_1/SRTM1/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:06 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the > correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I > gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the > way. > > Thanks! > > Bob- > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Crash course: > > First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile > Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: > http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html > Once installed (leave program closed) download > http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip > Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder > (overwrite): > - rmpatheng.exe > - rmUpdateeng.exe > - rmweng.exe > - rmweng.hlp > > Run rmUpdateeng.exe > > This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc > installed. > > Open RM (rmweng.exe) > Go to Options --> Internet --> SRTM > - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and > leep a local copy > - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X > - Close this window > > Now you are ready to start using RM > > Go to File --> New Networks > - New Net initialization > - Use default values > - OK > > Go to File --> Map Properties > - Elevation data source SRTM > - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm > - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map > - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) > - Set size to 50km high > - Click Extract > > Go to Edit --> Merge > - Choose Internet MapPoint > - Draw > > you should end up with a map that has terrain data. > > now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the > place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in > the thing?? > > > I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... "Are you > STILL up?!" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you > do > that it will gel. > > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) > > > From: Robert West > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says > it's > easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also > have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and > the > wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Robert West wrote: >> What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you >> plan >> the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't > get >> that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been >> finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in > Google >> Earth. > > Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free > tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The > trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you > only have to do that once.) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > >
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Personally I don't have anyone to call, either. If you're at a customer site and things don't work and you need documentation just think about it - you have no connectivity anywhere, no matter where you store your data it is out of reach. If you copy it locally, which really isn't feasible to keep updated, you'll have some information but not nearly enough. I have a Dude server that helps me troubleshoot where the problem is - I work from the router towards their connection. Typically I assume backhauls are good and just work at the AP to the customer or the SU where the repeater is (first hop off the backbone). Looks like... http://i36.tinypic.com/epj2ap.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Josh Cheney wrote: > My point wasn't that there are no alternative ways to access information > on the web, but rather one should consider the scenarios where this sort > of information will be the most useful. > > If you are most commonly going to need a tool or a piece of information > in a particular situation, you need to make it as easy as you can to > access it in that situation. If you always need a set of crimpers when > you've put on an end, then the crimpers and the ends should be together. > If you are most often going to need pictures when a link is down, then > you should be able to see pictures when a link is down. > > Yes, for most of you there is going to be someone in the office that you > can call. For me, there almost never was. > > Josh > > > > Josh Luthman wrote: > > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn > into a > > brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney > wrote: > > > >> Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their > >> connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... > >> > >> Robert West wrote: > >>> I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install > >> online > >>> so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the > >> moment. > >>> > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > >>> > >>> Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's > >>> another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is > >> gone. > >>> Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > >>> > >>> Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates > the > >>> wall and the POE. > >>> > >>> Josh Luthman > >>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>> 1100 Wayne St > >>> Suite 1337 > >>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>> > >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > >>> improbable, must be the truth." > >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > >>> jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > >>> > inline > > Mark Nash wrote: > > I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > > > 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the > least > > expensive MPoP? > 1 > I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a > >>> laptop. > They > need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, > they > have > ZERO access to it) > > The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some > user/pass) is > to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > > > 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs > >> devalues > my > > business to a prospective buyer. > Why? > > > 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for > >>> tech > > support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what > >>> each > > installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > Documentation! > I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a > place > where I > store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in > the > >>> one > man > shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, > >> reams > of > note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often.
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
My point wasn't that there are no alternative ways to access information on the web, but rather one should consider the scenarios where this sort of information will be the most useful. If you are most commonly going to need a tool or a piece of information in a particular situation, you need to make it as easy as you can to access it in that situation. If you always need a set of crimpers when you've put on an end, then the crimpers and the ends should be together. If you are most often going to need pictures when a link is down, then you should be able to see pictures when a link is down. Yes, for most of you there is going to be someone in the office that you can call. For me, there almost never was. Josh Josh Luthman wrote: > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a > brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney wrote: > >> Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their >> connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... >> >> Robert West wrote: >>> I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install >> online >>> so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the >> moment. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's >>> another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is >> gone. >>> Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> >>> Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the >>> wall and the POE. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>> jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>> inline Mark Nash wrote: > I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least > expensive MPoP? 1 I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a >>> laptop. They need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they have ZERO access to it) The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some user/pass) is to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs >> devalues my > business to a prospective buyer. Why? > 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for >>> tech > support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what >>> each > installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). Documentation! I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a place where I store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the >>> one man shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, >> reams of note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map >> setup. > I think this is good discussion... > > Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > > Depends on a few factors... > > 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? Yes! =) OK OK, no bank robberies. > 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no > access to AP if its host is on vacation) Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes sense to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In years the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us know there was a issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery >>> was bad till after the power failed. > 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional > "inside-the-box" installations? Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put >>> in >>
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Tell that to espn. marlon - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > Tom, > Your hypothetical about Comcast, etc... creating "private networks" is > unfounded and not likely to happen. In the end, it misses the point that > the "Internet", from a consumer perspective, is NOT bandwidth and has very > little to do with the bits and bytes that you shuffle around your network. > The Internet IS the edge, it's the applications and users (since so much > content is peer-generated these days). > > Want proof? Block Google and Facebook for 1 day and see how many people > care that "your service" is working :). Do it for a week and see how many > customers you retain. Repeat for any of the other apps that your > customers > use. The balance of power, in terms of customer retention, is on the > application providers side, since, from a customer perspective, the apps > are > Internet. > > As I recall, the "private networks" were tried back in the 90s by AOL, > etc... they had a user base of millions and lots of premium content (in > terms of dollar investment, the "best" content was on AOL, Compuserv, > Prodigy, etc... for a time). It didn't matter, the users overwhelmingly > chose the open Internet. Even the WISPA crowd has been more profitable > than > the guys that chose to do "private" networks :) > > Oh, and there's the small detail that every service provider in the nation > is running their network over public assets: whether it's on the poles, in > the ground, or running over wireless using licensed (leased) or unlicensed > spectrum (which isn't quite the same deal, I realize). If they want to > run > "private" networks, then they have to do it on land that they own or that > they compensate the government for appropriately--current pole attachment > rates and so forth are not applicable to companies that are wanting to > build > out solely private networks. > > -Clint Ricker > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tom DeReggi > wrote: > >> For those that have not yet read it, the relevent site to read is >> >> http://www.openinternet.gov/read-speech.html >> >> We need to realize and seperate two things... >> >> 1) that the intent of NetNeutrality expressed at this site, is an >> idealalistic view, to keep the Internet open and free, which is hard to >> combat based on the "ideals", and we should recognize that the goal of an >> open Internet is not specifically what we are fighting. >> 2) The reality that idealistic views dont translate to how the Internet >> Industry really works. And the site's proposed methodology to attempt >> preservation of an open network, infact may be harmful to consumers and >> delivery of most common Internet services from competitive Access >> providers. >> What we need to fight are mechanisms and ideas that harm access >> providers, >> or that prioritize content provider's needs over that of access >> providers. >> >> There is an important thing to realize. One of NetNeutrality's biggest >> advocates is now I think Chief of Staff. (Bruce somebody). NetNeutrality >> will be directly addressed in the new FCC, we can count on that. More so >> than in past commissions. >> >> Over the next 3 months I believe WISPA will need to get actively engaged >> in >> Netneutrality lobbying. It will need to be a combined effort between >> legislative and FCC committees. >> The Legislative committee will need to fight bills being plannedd to be >> introducted to congress, and FCC committee will need to fight for WISP >> rights in soon to come FCC rulemaking. >> It is my belief that government policy makers are timming their efforts >> so >> legislation and FCC rules will come to effect togeather, as legislation >> is >> pointing to the FCC to make rules. >> We can start to lobby legislators now, while bills are government working >> groups. And possibly there could be public hearings, where we might be >> able >> to request participation in them? >> For FCC, we most likely would need to wait for the Notice of PRoposed >> Rule >> making. Allthough ideally, its technically possible to lobby for proposed >> rules to never get to rule making stage. >> (although I dont think its likely for that to occur). >> >> We are going to need to decide whether we want to fight the core concept >> all >> togeather, or fight for details and wording that make the idealisitic >> views >> realistic in a way not to harm ISP. >> I believe we will likely have a better chance of winning our view, if we >> all >> togeather fight netneutrality in its entirely, jsut because we'd ahve >> cable >> TV and RBOCs endorsement in addition to our WISP view. But the risk >> there >> is that we do not protect ourselve from predator practices of monopoly >> like >> providers, and we risk loosing altogeather, if consumers gain more >> support >> than providers do. The risk is
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney wrote: > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their > connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... > > Robert West wrote: > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install > online > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the > moment. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's > > another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is > gone. > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the > > wall and the POE. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > > > >> inline > >> > >> Mark Nash wrote: > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > >>> > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least > >>> expensive MPoP? > >> 1 > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a > > laptop. > >> They > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they > >> have > >> ZERO access to it) > >> > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some > >> user/pass) is > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > >> > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs > devalues > >> my > >>> business to a prospective buyer. > >> Why? > >> > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for > > tech > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what > > each > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > >> Documentation! > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a place > >> where I > >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the > > one > >> man > >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, > reams > >> of > >> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am > >> missing > >> most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map > setup. > >> > >>> I think this is good discussion... > >>> > >>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > >>> > >>> Depends on a few factors... > >>> > >>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? > >> Yes! =) > >> > >> OK OK, no bank robberies. > >> > >>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no > >>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) > >> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and > >> everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes > >> sense > >> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In > >> years > >> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us know there > >> was a > >> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery > > was > >> bad > >> till after the power failed. > >> > >>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to > >> traditional > >>> "inside-the-box" installations? > >> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put > > in > >> time > >> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not > >> demand > >> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect > that > >> to > >> change some day. > >> > >> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port > > $2000, > >> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof access) > is > >> to far > >> out side the box". This is 10 years ago. > >> > >> > >> On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so > > in > >> tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I > > were > >> to > >> ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I > am > >> certifiable. > >> > >> > >>> Mark Nash > >>> UnwiredWest > >>> 78 Centenni
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... Robert West wrote: > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's > another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the > wall and the POE. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > >> inline >> >> Mark Nash wrote: >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >>> >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least >>> expensive MPoP? >> 1 >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a > laptop. >> They >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they >> have >> ZERO access to it) >> >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some >> user/pass) is >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >> >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues >> my >>> business to a prospective buyer. >> Why? >> >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for > tech >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what > each >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). >> Documentation! >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a place >> where I >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the > one >> man >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams >> of >> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am >> missing >> most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. >> >>> I think this is good discussion... >>> >>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. >>> >>> Depends on a few factors... >>> >>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? >> Yes! =) >> >> OK OK, no bank robberies. >> >>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no >>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) >> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and >> everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes >> sense >> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In >> years >> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us know there >> was a >> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery > was >> bad >> till after the power failed. >> >>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to >> traditional >>> "inside-the-box" installations? >> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put > in >> time >> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not >> demand >> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that >> to >> change some day. >> >> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port > $2000, >> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof access) is >> to far >> out side the box". This is 10 years ago. >> >> >> On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so > in >> tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I > were >> to >> ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am >> certifiable. >> >> >>> Mark Nash >>> UnwiredWest >>> 78 Centennial Loop >>> Suite E >>> Eugene, OR 97401 >>> 541-998- >>> 541-998-5599 fax >>> http://www.unwiredwest.com >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "RickG" >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy >> wrote: > I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute > service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full > blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for B
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations
For vertical we like the MTI ones that Alvarion provides in their kits. For horizontal, the Pac wireless is actually pretty good. We had some superpass vertical ones, but they failed after about two years on the tower, and the mounting was less than ideal. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:38:32AM -0700, pat wrote: > Looking to add a few 5.8GHz sectors, and I would like know what everyone > else is using. > > My first on that will go up ASAP is a 120' sector antenna, HPOL, > N-connector. > > Thanks, > > Pat > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations
Looking to add a few 5.8GHz sectors, and I would like know what everyone else is using. My first on that will go up ASAP is a 120' sector antenna, HPOL, N-connector. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
You pay per customer, but you get a wholesale rate. They love it because you aggregate a whole bunch of billing for them. --C Robert West wrote: > How does DirectTV and the like get out of that red tape mess then? Do they > pay franchise fees? Or is beaming from space a bit different in the eyes of > the FCC? > > Just wondering. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of jp > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:43 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned > community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make > it work. > > However, if you want to transmit television over/under public > property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are > a cable provider. You then have to be a registered cable company and > meet local franchise requirements (such as coverage requirements, > franchies fees, PEG channels), or an Open Video provider (as described > by the FCC) and be subject to the conditions of that type of business. > Something like HITS (headend in the sky) is often used for smaller cable > systems. I'm sure there are some others as well. > > I have reason to believe the sat companies will not provide the channels > or gear to you if you appear to be doing the TV content distribution > business outside of the law. > > We're setup as a DirecTV dealer in addition to our ISP business. We like > their TV technology ourselves, and we like helping people get away from > TimeWarner/Roadrunner. We also get a sales commision and are compensated > for the installs. We're not selling a ton yet, as it's a fairly complex > mix of options and we're still getting up to speed. > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:19:07AM -0400, Robert West wrote: > >> Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this >> yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Curtis Maurand >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> >> >> Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to >> > resell. > >> --C >> Robert West wrote: >> >>> Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do >>> >> Free >> >>> To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what >>> > type > >>> of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to >>> >> Rebroadcast??! >> >>> I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their >>> > content > >>> but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the >>> individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just >>> install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to >>> > the > >>> customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. >>> >>> Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and >>> >> how >> >>> are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly >>> >> there >> >>> HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >>> >>> I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... >>> >> You >> >>> can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. >>> >>> I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video >>> > > >>> content. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Clint Ricker" >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >>> >>> >>> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to streaming of video. That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress >> to >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent > ISPs. > If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) should be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE" > > and get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on >
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?
Force the eth to 10M and see how it changes things. sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: > Ok, > > Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the > other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. > Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we > were getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss from the main > router to everything. > > average pps going through the router 585 and transfers around 4m at the > moment. > > We switched out the pc and even used an integrated ethernet port on the new > pc to check connectivity to the other devices via means other than the RB 4 > port ethernet card to make sure that wasnt going bad. But no improvement > STILL getting pings loss. Switched cables. STILL. Latest OS. Now here is the > wierd part I do not get. > > We have our backhaul radio connected directly to the onboard ethernet port on > the pc router. Running a ping from the pc router to the radio port in the > ping specifying to use not ANY but the backhaul port as we labeled it will > get us around 10-15% packet loss. While at the same time running a ping from > the bachaul radio to the router gets 0% packet loss using the same method. > How is this possible? > > PC PORT (ethernet cable) RADIO ETH = Lost packets > > Radio ETH (ethernet cable) PC PORT = 0 Lost packets > > ? > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Rural-Urban. 7kft mountains with 3kft valleys. Highest tower is currently 1300ft over the valley and links 3 towns + rural. Working on access to a new site 30 miles away (los), 5kft elevation, would link in 4 new towns and adding around 2200sqmiles (about twice the current coverable area). In town its average tree/building density of a suburban area (100ft trees, 35ft houses). Range on the pops is 2 to 6 blocks, depending on trees, houses, etc. Most have los to a primary site, very very few run off another pop. MT is the core hotspot controller. I am working on a new hotspot page for user self registration and signup so no more 3AM calls. I have a mix of hardware but have standardized on MT, StarOS and Ubiquity in my network. I am building a new tower to test out the newest gear from Ubiquity. Jeromie Robert West wrote: > What equipment are you using and what's the range and terrain are you > dealing with? > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:35 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > My entire network is pretty much done as micropops. I use 5ghz for BH to all > primary points with a mix of 5g and 2.4g AP's off the BH where needed. Most > of the pops are using 5ghz feeds (I think there are less then 10 left with > 2.4g feeds, and all of those are 10mhz channels and just work. When they act > up they get upgraded) > > > Mark McElvy wrote: >> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute >> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full >> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH >> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to >> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. >> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to >> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous >> solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I >> know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't >> need. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I don't know if this one was mentioned but I use Motorola's PTP Link Planner- I was free and would think it still is. Data exports out into Google Earth- Works well- You email your profiles to an account and it sends the data back to you and gives the PTP profile- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software For a quick down and dirty "is it worth looking into" Ligo's new online tool is pretty slick. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 8:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software I've done the same for years. The only thing I use RM for is the backhaul links. -RickG On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:31 AM, Blair Davis wrote: > It may sound stupid, but I use Delorm Topo 4 > > Plot your endpoints, draw a line and look at the trerrian profile. Add > the antenna heights and you should have a real good idea if it will work > or not. > > I played with Radio Mobile for a long time. It works, but Delorm is > faster and eaiser for PtP links. > > Robert West wrote: >> What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan >> the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get >> that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been >> finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google >> Earth. Sucks. >> >> Anyone using a good software app that will plot the links and give me the >> easy thumbs up or thumbs down? >> >> Sorry to be a pain with all these questions. It's been too hectic and I >> just don't have the time to sit for 2 days evaluating crap software. I'd >> rather be told what's good by real users. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> "Organite. It's not just for breakfast anymore." >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue
But why wouldn't more than 2 clients associate to the AP? And it's always the same 2 depending on the frequency. For example on 2415 I have two clients one at a -57 signal if I change frequency this -57 client will not associate and I never see more then 2. My understanding with GPS sync is it's all the same just provide the beat to the canopy and it will then do it's transmissions based on distance, control slot and %. But even if it was sync issue where I'm not in sync with other canopies around me WHY would ALL clients associate to the AP when I use Generate Sync on the AP?? That is what I don't get. I would think that if it was a different phasing the clients would associate but have jitter issues and frequent re-reg. But the case is only 2 clients associate to the AP when getting sync from timing port and all will associate when the AP itself generate sync. If there was problem receiving sync signal from the SyncPipe I would think NO clients would associate and you wouldn't see that status info on the GPS status tab? / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue If you are not using a CMM, the sync source you are using may be providing sync at a different phase (timing) than the standard cmm. Marco On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: > As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by a > CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone (we > share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only had > one unit up there and he didn't need the port). > > > > So instead of getting with the other WISP to find out how and when we could > get sync again we installed a syncpipe parasitic (we didn't have any at the > point ourselves when the other WISP told we could plug in to his CMM). > > > > Canopy unit gets GPS sync nicely and we see 10 out of 12 sats, coordinates > looks right etc. > > > > But when we turn on the AP to use gps sync from timing port only 2 subs > associate. If we change frequency a different 2 subs associate. If we change > to another frequency yet another different set of 2 subs associate. Plus > they take a good 20-30 before they associate. > > But no matter what I do only 2 will associate as long gps sync from timing > port is set. If we set it to generate sync plop all subs come back almost > immediately once the AP rebooted. > > > > We are running v9.4, on this 2.4Ghz non-advantage (all subs are also 9.4) AP > (wish Moto would hurry up get us our upgrade). > > > > We are running same distance, control slots and % as the other 2 canopy > operators in the area. . > > > > Any ideas to find a solution that means I do not have to climb 180ft a third > day in a row appreciated.. And no do not have a second sync pipe on hand it > was our spare unit we installed. The other unit we got at the same time > works very nicely on a 900Mhz AP on a different tower. > > > > / Eje > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
We have evil on both sides of us! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:37 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > If we really want to retain the right to prioritize, go rattle the chain > of > the RIAA. Put the bug in their ear that this will give more speed to the > torrents. They have a lobby group that can smack this down. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Clint Ricker > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:27 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > > Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? > The > speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The > Julius > Genachowski's recent speech specifically said "no prioritization"--refer > to > section 5. > > - "This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their > networks" (blocking / deprioritizing) > - "or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others in > the connection to subscribers' homes" (prioritizing) > - "During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be > appropriate > for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone > else" (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) > - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to > metro > Ethernet with QOS) > - "open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and > applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of > copyrighted > works, which has serious economic consequences." (As I said in my Senate > confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful > content, > services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution > of > copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) > > Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? > > Thanks, > -Clint Ricker > > > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett > wrote: > >> Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize >> anything, >> but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this list). >> They accomplish the same thing, but at face value, one is permissible the >> other is not. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Jeff Broadwick" >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for >> >> > You'd have to ask the FCC. Seems like it's the opposite side of the > same >> > coin. >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:51 PM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for >> > >> > What's the difference between prioritizing all traditional services > above >> > other and deprioritizing the "bad" ones below other? >> > >> > >> > - >> > Mike Hammett >> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >> > http://www.ics-il.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > From: "Jeff Broadwick" >> > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:07 PM >> > To: "'WISPA General List'" >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for >> > >> >> The FCC has said that you cannot de-prioritize any type of traffic. > You >> >> have to do it by prioritizing other types of traffic. >> >> >> >> Jeff >> >> ImageStream >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> On >> >> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson >> >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting >> for >> >> >> >> I read the Fifth as I cannot discriminate - meaning block this but not >> >> that. >> >> It says nothing about shaping. >> >> >> >> Jerry >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> On >> >> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:33 AM >> >> To: WISPA General List >> >> Subject: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for >> >> >> >> http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html >> >> >> >> In addition to the four classic "Network neutrality" principles, the > FCC >> >> plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: >> >> >> >> * "The fifth principle is one of non-di
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Who will let me bundle DirecTV? NRTC has a program that does that, but their contract with DirecTV is under renegotiation, so they're not taking new customers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Curtis Maurand" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:44 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to > resell. > --C > Robert West wrote: >> Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do >> Free >> To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what >> type >> of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to >> Rebroadcast??! >> >> >> I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their >> content >> but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the >> individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just >> install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the >> customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. >> >> Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and >> how >> are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly >> there >> HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> >> I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... >> You >> can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. >> >> I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video >> content. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "Clint Ricker" >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> >> >>> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to >>> streaming of video. >>> >>> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for >>> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress >>> to >>> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your >>> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent >>> ISPs. >>> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) >>> should >>> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE" >>> and >>> get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on >>> triple play packages over your way. >>> >>> -Clint Ricker >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG wrote: >>> >>> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West wrote: > One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. > > The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. > Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same > network, > which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to > touch > the internet at least in part. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Clint Ricker > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth > costs > are > very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. > However, > that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their > network > to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that > is > the > main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even > that > is > small compared to the potential loss of revenue if "over the top" > video > takes hold. > > -Clint > > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt wrote: > > >>> It's back >>> >>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews >>> >> I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you >> think >> about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to >> completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am >> sure >> are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will >> likely believe them. >> >> I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Bob, sadly there isn't. I've talked to many of them and their hands are tied because Viacom, NBC Universal, etc., etc. won't license it over wireless networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:02 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do > Free > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to > Rebroadcast??! > > > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their content > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. > > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and > how > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly > there > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. > > Bob- > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... > You > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. > > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video > content. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Clint Ricker" > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to >> streaming of video. >> >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress >> to >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent ISPs. >> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) >> should >> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE" >> and >> get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on >> triple play packages over your way. >> >> -Clint Ricker >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG wrote: >> >>> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West >>> >>> wrote: >>> > One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. >>> > >>> > The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. >>> > Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same >>> > network, >>> > which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to >>> touch >>> > the internet at least in part. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -Original Message- >>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> > On >>> > Behalf Of Clint Ricker >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM >>> > To: WISPA General List >>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >>> > >>> > For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth >>> > costs >>> are >>> > very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. >>> > However, >>> > that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their >>> network >>> > to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that >>> > is >>> the >>> > main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even >>> > that >>> is >>> > small compared to the potential loss of revenue if "over the top" >>> > video >>> > takes hold. >>> > >>> > -Clint >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt wrote: >>> > >>> >> > It's back >>> >> > >>> >> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews >>> >> >>> >> I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you >>> >> think >>> >> about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to >>> >> completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am >>> >> sure >>> >> are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will >>> >> likely believe them. >>> >> >>> >> I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that >>> >> bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for >>> >> bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market >>> >> share. >>> >> >>> >> Matt >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Resell value? What's that? I don't care about the resale value on anything I ever purchase. I want it because I want it, I don't care what someone else wants. There probably would never be a someone else for anything I buy anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:07 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > I just do whatever it takes to get the cash coming in as long as the money > makes sense. I don't give one thought to resell value. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Nash > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:30 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least > expensive MPoP? > > 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues > my > business to a prospective buyer. > > 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech > support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each > installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > > I think this is good discussion... > > Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > > Depends on a few factors... > > 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? > > 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no > access to AP if its host is on vacation) > > 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional > "inside-the-box" installations? > > Mark Nash > UnwiredWest > 78 Centennial Loop > Suite E > Eugene, OR 97401 > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > http://www.unwiredwest.com > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > >> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets >> for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: >>> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute >>> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full >>> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH >>> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to >>> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. >>> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to >>> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous >>> solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I >>> know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't >>> need. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > > >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wi
Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue
If you are not using a CMM, the sync source you are using may be providing sync at a different phase (timing) than the standard cmm. Marco On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: > As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by a > CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone (we > share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only had > one unit up there and he didn't need the port). > > > > So instead of getting with the other WISP to find out how and when we could > get sync again we installed a syncpipe parasitic (we didn't have any at the > point ourselves when the other WISP told we could plug in to his CMM). > > > > Canopy unit gets GPS sync nicely and we see 10 out of 12 sats, coordinates > looks right etc. > > > > But when we turn on the AP to use gps sync from timing port only 2 subs > associate. If we change frequency a different 2 subs associate. If we change > to another frequency yet another different set of 2 subs associate. Plus > they take a good 20-30 before they associate. > > But no matter what I do only 2 will associate as long gps sync from timing > port is set. If we set it to generate sync plop all subs come back almost > immediately once the AP rebooted. > > > > We are running v9.4, on this 2.4Ghz non-advantage (all subs are also 9.4) AP > (wish Moto would hurry up get us our upgrade). > > > > We are running same distance, control slots and % as the other 2 canopy > operators in the area. . > > > > Any ideas to find a solution that means I do not have to climb 180ft a third > day in a row appreciated.. And no do not have a second sync pipe on hand it > was our spare unit we installed. The other unit we got at the same time > works very nicely on a 900Mhz AP on a different tower. > > > > / Eje > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
So how do I find out what the USGS regions are in order to choose the correct one? I remember being here before and this is pretty much where I gave it up. I can't find it on their maps anywhere. I'm in Ohio, by the way. Thanks! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options --> Internet --> SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File --> New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File --> Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit --> Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... "Are you STILL up?!" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: > What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan > the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get > that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been > finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google > Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireles
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
My post was more concerning the Computer Inquires Acts. Under II (I think it was) http://www.cybertelecom.org/ci/ , the telcos that were also ISP's, had to have separate operations, meaning couldn't operate under the RBOC/ILEC. III came along and changed it so that a separate subsidiary was no longer needed, but they were under strict regulations. They had to have ONA and there could be no cross subsidizing what-so-ever, and they had to keep separate books for the ISP side and telco side. The problem is it was never adequately enforced. What I am asking as far as NN goes, is if this had been enforced would their have been a need for NN? If I am ATT and I HAD to have a separate ISP and sell the use of my lines to my separate ISP and other ISP's at the same cost, would it matter that the ISP's were offering VOIP across them. I would not like it, but not much that I can do about it. Same goes for the cable companies with video. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Clint Ricker Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:31:26 -0400 >What do you mean by "do I think the same things would be happening?" > >I have no love for the FCC under the Bush administration, and I think their >actions were either the result of blatant corruption or stupidity. It's >hard to look at their regulatory history and not be suspicious of the >motivations for such a "pro-telco" agenda. > >That said, the "competition" of the late 90s was largely "fake" in a lot of >ways. One of the fundamental purposes of the Telecom Act of 1996 was to >force linesharing as a transitional stage while competitive carriers built >out their own networks. Very little last mile buildout by CLECs actually >happened--most CLECs just rode Ma Bells lines and were basically just >glorified salespeople fronting private label bell products. A lot of money >was made through various forms of arbitrage plays--which, given that they >sucked a lot of revenue out of the industry without adding any value, >weren't good. Unfortunately, this sort of arbitrage mentality still infects >a lot of the telecom market. > >On the other hand, the same arbitrage plays did have the benefit of making >dialin PRIs very profitable, making unlimited dialup Internet access >feasible and setting the general consumer expectation that Internet should >not be metered in the same way as normal telephone calls. > >I'm not sure what you mean by "cable didn't have anything to do with this". >The market share, as well as the lack of regulations on the cable companies >was one of the main talking points behind getting the Tauzin-Dingell act >pushed through Congress. > >Regardless, I think your general question is "would we need forced network >neutrality" if the provisions of the telecom act of 1996 were still in place >to some degree. I think so: >- As previously mentioned, no one really pursued last mile buildout except >for the MSOs and ILECs. This means that any competition is going to be >"forced" to some degree by regulations. >- Eventually, IPTV / triple play would still be the logical evolution of >service providers, whether they are ILECs, MSOs, or CLECs. >- Once they offer voice / video services, they have every incentive to make >sure that competitive services don't perform well on their network. This >doesn't change if you go from 2 providers in a zip code to 5, they still >have the same incentives. >- If CLECs were still viable, then the regular M&A trends would have lead to >heavy consolidations. and there still wouldn't be that much more >competition. >- The basic problem that net neutrality solves is that traffic shaping has >the potential to fracture the Internet. If application providers need to >pay more in general to send content to the Internet, then fine. However, >the overhead of requiring application providers to negotiate with each and >every network provider in the world to ensure that they have a viable path >to the end-consumer essentially kills any innovation from anyone other than >the biggest of companies. A "standard" of sorts is necessary, much in the >same way that power companies are regulated to ensure that their voltage is >consistent all across the US. > >Still, I wish the past 8 years of regulatory actions had gone differently. >I think business customers, specifically, really got screwed by the last 8 >years of regulation: residential Internet access is generally cheap, while >millions of small business are still stuck with $700 T1s as their best >method for getting on the Internet. Had regulation changes not killed off >CLECs and killed line sharing requirements (or, at least cast enough doubt >on them to make any investment very questionable), I think CLECs, >unrestrained by having a big cash cow of existing T1 customers, would have >made that space a lot more interesting. > > >-Clint Ricker > > > > > >On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > >> One question Clint. If you go all the way
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
Okay, but where am I getting the rmpatheng.exe rmweng.exe and rmweng.hlp files? The archive only has the various language update files. I copied the English updater file though and ran that one. Thanks! I'll try it. Took me a whole 3 hours from start to get to this point with all the interruptions. That's my biggest issue! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Crash course: First uninstall anything to do with Radio Mobile Next download and install Radio Mobile Deluxe: http://www.pizon.org/files/index.html Once installed (leave program closed) download http://www.cplus.org/rmw/download/rmwupdate.zip Extract the following files to your Radio Mobile Deluxe Folder (overwrite): - rmpatheng.exe - rmUpdateeng.exe - rmweng.exe - rmweng.hlp Run rmUpdateeng.exe This gets you to the latest version 10.0.0.8 with all the packages/etc installed. Open RM (rmweng.exe) Go to Options --> Internet --> SRTM - Choose Download from Internet if a file is not found on local path and leep a local copy - Select the Internet ftp directory USGS USA - 1 arcsecond Region X - Close this window Now you are ready to start using RM Go to File --> New Networks - New Net initialization - Use default values - OK Go to File --> Map Properties - Elevation data source SRTM - Drive or path: c:\program files\radio mobile deluxe\srtm - Upper left corner enter the Lat/Lon of the center point of your map - Set size (pixel) to 1000 W x 1000h (just to get started) - Set size to 50km high - Click Extract Go to Edit --> Merge - Choose Internet MapPoint - Draw you should end up with a map that has terrain data. now the fun begins. Let me know if/when you get to this point. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Okay, I went through it here and getting the terrain maps is indeed the place where I give up. Anyone have a good step by step to get the map in the thing?? I totally believe the 4 hour thing. My issue is, every hour... "Are you STILL up?!" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software It takes 4hrs in the idle of the night with zero interruptions. Once you do that it will gel. Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent Mobile (Probably one handed) From: Robert West Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:19 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone says it's easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you also have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat and the wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Robert West wrote: > What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before you plan > the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I can't get > that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've been > finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in Google > Earth. Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you only have to do that once.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
How does DirectTV and the like get out of that red tape mess then? Do they pay franchise fees? Or is beaming from space a bit different in the eyes of the FCC? Just wondering. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make it work. However, if you want to transmit television over/under public property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are a cable provider. You then have to be a registered cable company and meet local franchise requirements (such as coverage requirements, franchies fees, PEG channels), or an Open Video provider (as described by the FCC) and be subject to the conditions of that type of business. Something like HITS (headend in the sky) is often used for smaller cable systems. I'm sure there are some others as well. I have reason to believe the sat companies will not provide the channels or gear to you if you appear to be doing the TV content distribution business outside of the law. We're setup as a DirecTV dealer in addition to our ISP business. We like their TV technology ourselves, and we like helping people get away from TimeWarner/Roadrunner. We also get a sales commision and are compensated for the installs. We're not selling a ton yet, as it's a fairly complex mix of options and we're still getting up to speed. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:19:07AM -0400, Robert West wrote: > Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this > yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Curtis Maurand > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > > Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to resell. > --C > Robert West wrote: > > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do > Free > > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type > > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to > Rebroadcast??! > > > > > > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their content > > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the > > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just > > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the > > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. > > > > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and > how > > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly > there > > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > > > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... > You > > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. > > > > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video > > content. > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -- > > From: "Clint Ricker" > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > > > > >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to > >> streaming of video. > >> > >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for > >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress > to > >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your > >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent ISPs. > >> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) > >> should > >> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE" > >> and > >> get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on > >> triple play packages over your way. > >> > >> -Clint Ricker > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG wrote: > >> > >> > >>> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West > > >>> wrote: > >>> > One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. > > The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. > Eventually most if not all communications will run
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
I know they have business partners that handle the MDU / planned community sort of things, and they definitely have the equipment to make it work. However, if you want to transmit television over/under public property/ROW such as public roads or off your private property, you are a cable provider. You then have to be a registered cable company and meet local franchise requirements (such as coverage requirements, franchies fees, PEG channels), or an Open Video provider (as described by the FCC) and be subject to the conditions of that type of business. Something like HITS (headend in the sky) is often used for smaller cable systems. I'm sure there are some others as well. I have reason to believe the sat companies will not provide the channels or gear to you if you appear to be doing the TV content distribution business outside of the law. We're setup as a DirecTV dealer in addition to our ISP business. We like their TV technology ourselves, and we like helping people get away from TimeWarner/Roadrunner. We also get a sales commision and are compensated for the installs. We're not selling a ton yet, as it's a fairly complex mix of options and we're still getting up to speed. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:19:07AM -0400, Robert West wrote: > Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this > yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Curtis Maurand > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > > Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to resell. > --C > Robert West wrote: > > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do > Free > > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type > > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to > Rebroadcast??! > > > > > > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their content > > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the > > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just > > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the > > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. > > > > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and > how > > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly > there > > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. > > > > Bob- > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > > > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... > You > > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. > > > > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video > > content. > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -- > > From: "Clint Ricker" > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > > > > >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to > >> streaming of video. > >> > >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for > >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress > to > >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your > >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent ISPs. > >> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) > >> should > >> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE" > >> and > >> get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on > >> triple play packages over your way. > >> > >> -Clint Ricker > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG wrote: > >> > >> > >>> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG > >>> > >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West > > >>> wrote: > >>> > One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. > > The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. > Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same > network, > which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to > > >>> touch > >>> > the internet at least in part. > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Clint Ricker > Sent: Wednesday, Septemb
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Never thought of that. Anyone else doing this? I'm not up to doing this yet but always planning ahead, maybe in 6 to 12 months. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to resell. --C Robert West wrote: > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do Free > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to Rebroadcast??! > > > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their content > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. > > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and how > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly there > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. > > Bob- > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... You > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. > > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video > content. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Clint Ricker" > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to >> streaming of video. >> >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress to >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent ISPs. >> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) >> should >> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE" >> and >> get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on >> triple play packages over your way. >> >> -Clint Ricker >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG wrote: >> >> >>> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West >>> wrote: >>> One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same network, which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to >>> touch >>> the internet at least in part. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth costs >>> are >>> very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. However, that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their >>> network >>> to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that is >>> the >>> main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even that >>> is >>> small compared to the potential loss of revenue if "over the top" video takes hold. -Clint On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt wrote: >> It's back >> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews >> > I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think > about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to > completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure > are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will > likely believe them. > > I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that > bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for > bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market > share.
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install online so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is gone. Get paperwork that allows you to do so. Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the wall and the POE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > inline > > Mark Nash wrote: > > I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > > > 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least > > expensive MPoP? > > 1 > I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a laptop. > They > need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they > have > ZERO access to it) > > The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some > user/pass) is > to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > > > > > 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues > my > > business to a prospective buyer. > > Why? > > > > > 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech > > support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each > > installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > > Documentation! > I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a place > where I > store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the one > man > shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, reams > of > note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am > missing > most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map setup. > > > > > I think this is good discussion... > > > > Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > > > > Depends on a few factors... > > > > 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? > > Yes! =) > > OK OK, no bank robberies. > > > > > 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no > > access to AP if its host is on vacation) > > Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and > everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes > sense > to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In > years > the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us know there > was a > issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery was > bad > till after the power failed. > > > > > 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to > traditional > > "inside-the-box" installations? > > Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put in > time > wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not > demand > the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect that > to > change some day. > > "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port $2000, > 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof access) is > to far > out side the box". This is 10 years ago. > > > On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so in > tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I were > to > ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I am > certifiable. > > > > > > Mark Nash > > UnwiredWest > > 78 Centennial Loop > > Suite E > > Eugene, OR 97401 > > 541-998- > > 541-998-5599 fax > > http://www.unwiredwest.com > > - Original Message - > > From: "RickG" > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > > > >> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets > >> for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). > >> -RickG > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy > wrote: > >>> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute > >>> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full > >>> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH > >>> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to > >>> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. > >>> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to > >>> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is thi
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
I just do whatever it takes to get the cash coming in as long as the money makes sense. I don't give one thought to resell value. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least expensive MPoP? 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my business to a prospective buyer. 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). I think this is good discussion... Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. Depends on a few factors... 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no access to AP if its host is on vacation) 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional "inside-the-box" installations? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets > for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). > -RickG > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: >> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute >> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full >> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH >> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to >> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. >> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to >> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous >> solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I >> know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't >> need. >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
What equipment are you using and what's the range and terrain are you dealing with? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops My entire network is pretty much done as micropops. I use 5ghz for BH to all primary points with a mix of 5g and 2.4g AP's off the BH where needed. Most of the pops are using 5ghz feeds (I think there are less then 10 left with 2.4g feeds, and all of those are 10mhz channels and just work. When they act up they get upgraded) Mark McElvy wrote: > I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute > service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full > blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH > typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to > receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. > Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to > the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous > solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I > know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't > need. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Try talking to DirectTV or Dish Networks. They'll deal with you to resell. --C Robert West wrote: > Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do Free > To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type > of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to Rebroadcast??! > > > I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their content > but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the > individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just > install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the > customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. > > Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and how > are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly there > HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. > > Bob- > > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... You > can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. > > I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video > content. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Clint Ricker" > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > > >> I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to >> streaming of video. >> >> That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for >> independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress to >> handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your >> competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent ISPs. >> If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) >> should >> be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE" >> and >> get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on >> triple play packages over your way. >> >> -Clint Ricker >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG wrote: >> >> >>> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West >>> wrote: >>> One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same network, which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to >>> touch >>> the internet at least in part. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth costs >>> are >>> very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. However, that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their >>> network >>> to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that is >>> the >>> main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even that >>> is >>> small compared to the potential loss of revenue if "over the top" video takes hold. -Clint On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt wrote: >> It's back >> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews >> > I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think > about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to > completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure > are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will > likely believe them. > > I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that > bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for > bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market > share. > > Matt > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > >
Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software
I'll shoot him an email. Thanks! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software Why not contract with Brian Webster for a couple of hours. He's a true expert with the software and it won't take much for him to help you through the rough patches...and probably show you tricks you'd never figure out on your own. His contact info is: Brian Webster (607) 286-3465 work (607) 435-3988 cell bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Chuck On Sep 23, 2009, at 6:18 PM, Robert West wrote: > You know, I haven't a clue! It looks simple, heck yes! Everyone > says it's > easy but I'll be darned if I can't get anything out of it. Now you > also > have to understand, when I try to work with it I have 3 kids, a cat > and the > wife all wanting something. Time was not well spent when I've tried > it. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:45 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Link Planning Software > > Robert West wrote: >> What are you folks using to verify the viability of a link before >> you plan >> the build? I've tried using Radio Mobile but I'll be darned if I >> can't > get >> that thing to work even with the step by step instructions. I've >> been >> finding myself just plotting elevations all the way along the link in > Google >> Earth. > > Where are you getting hung up? Radio Mobile is probably the best free > tool you're gonna get, and once set up, works pretty well. (The > trickiest part probably is getting the terrain data you need, but you > only have to do that once.) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality
Would the Free To Air stuff work at all? I have some customers who do Free To Air but I have yet to even look at one of their setups to see what type of content they are getting. But is Free To Air also Free to Rebroadcast??! I tried to deal with Time Warner as just being a reseller of their content but they just yawned. I wanted to setup a building to install the individual digital boxes in for each customer ant Time Warner would just install in that building as needed. Then stream the video channel to the customer. Not gonna fly with Time Warner. Anyone else out there doing TV over IP? How are you setting this up and how are you obtaining rights to rebroadcast the video content? Certainly there HAS to be a group that we can purchase content from. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality I've looked into doing traditional TV over IP and wireless networks... You can't obtain a license for traditional TV over wireless networks. I wouldn't mind coming up with a half assed list of places of good video content. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Clint Ricker" Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:11 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality > I am all too aware of the weakness of wireless networks in regards to > streaming of video. > > That said, I cannot see how over the top video is a bad thing for > independent ISPs, even if wireless technology has to make some progress to > handle it. It removes triple play as a competitive advantage for your > competitors and hurts them a LOT more than it costs the independent ISPs. > If anything, independent ISPs (especially wireline independent ISPs) > should > be advertising "Internet access, includes 10 million channels for FREE" > and > get people to shift the $1,500-$2,000 a year that they are spending on > triple play packages over your way. > > -Clint Ricker > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:06 AM, RickG wrote: > >> This is imminent. The questions is: whose network? -RickG >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Robert West >> wrote: >> > One thing you can bank on, it WILL take hold. >> > >> > The need for more Bandwidth won't be stopped anytime soon, I believe. >> > Eventually most if not all communications will run over the same >> > network, >> > which if you think about it, all the communications out there seem to >> touch >> > the internet at least in part. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> > Behalf Of Clint Ricker >> > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:21 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality >> > >> > For the mainstream ISPs (the big RBOCs and MSOs), their bandwidth costs >> are >> > very, very low and are a small fraction of their overall costs. >> > However, >> > that statement does ignore the costs of perpetually upgrading their >> network >> > to handle larger volumes of bandwidth. From a cost perspective, that >> > is >> the >> > main motivation for the big players to shape traffic. However, even >> > that >> is >> > small compared to the potential loss of revenue if "over the top" video >> > takes hold. >> > >> > -Clint >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Matt wrote: >> > >> >> > It's back >> >> > >> >> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,552503,00.html?test=latestnews >> >> >> >> I am just waiting for them to say bitcaps are a no no. When you think >> >> about it with a bit cap you cannot really use the Internet to >> >> completely replace the catv or dish service. Some consumers I am sure >> >> are going to say that's not fair and some clueless law makers will >> >> likely believe them. >> >> >> >> I have already heard some 'expert' IT people on blogs brag that >> >> bandwidth costs ISP's virtually nothing and the only reason for >> >> bitcaps is to prevent competing video services from taking market >> >> share. >> >> >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> -
Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for
If we really want to retain the right to prioritize, go rattle the chain of the RIAA. Put the bug in their ear that this will give more speed to the torrents. They have a lobby group that can smack this down. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 7:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for Where is everyone getting that you are allowed to prioritize anything? The speech details three points along the subject of prioritization. The Julius Genachowski's recent speech specifically said "no prioritization"--refer to section 5. - "This means they cannot block or degrade lawful traffic over their networks" (blocking / deprioritizing) - "or pick winners by favoring some content or applications over others in the connection to subscribers' homes" (prioritizing) - "During periods of network congestion, for example, it may be appropriate for providers to ensure that very heavy users do not crowd out everyone else" (block / degrade on a per-user basis, rather than per-application?) - Doesn't apply to managed services (I believe that he's referring to metro Ethernet with QOS) - "open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences." (As I said in my Senate confirmation hearing, open Internet principles apply only to lawful content, services and applications -- not to activities like unlawful distribution of copyrighted works, which has serious economic consequences.) Where has any statement been made regarding prioritization being ok? Thanks, -Clint Ricker On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Right, which is why I phrased it that way. You can't deprioritize > anything, > but you can prioritize anything (based upon what I've read on this list). > They accomplish the same thing, but at face value, one is permissible the > other is not. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "Jeff Broadwick" > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > > > You'd have to ask the FCC. Seems like it's the opposite side of the same > > coin. > > > > Jeff > > > > -Original Message- > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:51 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > > > > What's the difference between prioritizing all traditional services above > > other and deprioritizing the "bad" ones below other? > > > > > > - > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > -- > > From: "Jeff Broadwick" > > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:07 PM > > To: "'WISPA General List'" > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > > > >> The FCC has said that you cannot de-prioritize any type of traffic. You > >> have to do it by prioritizing other types of traffic. > >> > >> Jeff > >> ImageStream > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:53 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting > for > >> > >> I read the Fifth as I cannot discriminate - meaning block this but not > >> that. > >> It says nothing about shaping. > >> > >> Jerry > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 9:33 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: [WISPA] The Net Neutrality speech we've all been waiting for > >> > >> http://openinternet.gov/read-speech.html > >> > >> In addition to the four classic "Network neutrality" principles, the FCC > >> plans to pursue two more. Quotes from the speech: > >> > >> * "The fifth principle is one of non-discrimination -- stating that > >> broadband providers cannot discriminate against particular Internet > >> content > >> or applications." > >> * "The sixth principle is a transparency principle -- stating that > >> providers > >> of broadband Internet access must be transparent about their network > >> management practices." > >> > >> I love the sixth one, but number five gives me the willies. "Nope, > >> doesn't > >> matter that BitTorrent users bring your network to its knees, you're not > >> allowed to do anything about it." Please t
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?
Sounds like a duplex mismatch to me. Are both ends set to auto-negotiate and have they both negotiated 100mb/full? Have you checked for errors or discards on the interfaces at either end? -Original Message- From: sa...@michianawireless.com [mailto:sa...@michianawireless.com] Sent: 24 September 2009 17:51 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!? Ok, Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we were getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss from the main router to everything. average pps going through the router 585 and transfers around 4m at the moment. We switched out the pc and even used an integrated ethernet port on the new pc to check connectivity to the other devices via means other than the RB 4 port ethernet card to make sure that wasnt going bad. But no improvement STILL getting pings loss. Switched cables. STILL. Latest OS. Now here is the wierd part I do not get. We have our backhaul radio connected directly to the onboard ethernet port on the pc router. Running a ping from the pc router to the radio port in the ping specifying to use not ANY but the backhaul port as we labeled it will get us around 10-15% packet loss. While at the same time running a ping from the bachaul radio to the router gets 0% packet loss using the same method. How is this possible? PC PORT (ethernet cable) RADIO ETH = Lost packets Radio ETH (ethernet cable) PC PORT = 0 Lost packets ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Micropops
Inline Mark Nash wrote: > I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least > expensive MPoP? > 1 if they will pay for the equipment. 2 or more if they will share it 0 if I think the potential is there to make the cost of the equipment back in 6 months to 1 year. > 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs devalues my > business to a prospective buyer. > Why? Why does it matter? I am in business to provide a service to my customers and make money. If a prospective buyer doesn't want the mPOPs, he must not have the same goals and is therefore looking at the wrong business to purchase. > 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for tech > support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what each > installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > Well, with 300+ and just me, that is not a problem. However, good design and better documentation is the key. Someone else mentioned pictures. That helps a bunch if the tech can get to them when he needs them. > I think this is good discussion... > > Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > > Depends on a few factors... > > 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? > > Pretty much, but for me there is also the goal of providing a service to my customers that they can not get otherwise. > 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no > access to AP if its host is on vacation) > That depends. I make the "secondary" customers sign a waiver that states if the mPOP is down and we can not get to the cause, tough luck. > 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to traditional > "inside-the-box" installations? > > Mark Nash > UnwiredWest > 78 Centennial Loop > Suite E > Eugene, OR 97401 > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > http://www.unwiredwest.com > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > >> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets >> for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). >> -RickG >> >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy wrote: >> >>> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to redistribute >>> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full >>> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH >>> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to >>> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. >>> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect to >>> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or ridiculous >>> solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? I >>> know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't >>> need. >>> >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2392 - Release Date: 09/24/09 > 05:52:00 > > -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wi
