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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:29 PM
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Mark, Not to belittle your opinion but many of my customers would say just
the opposite in that they're actually saving money by deploying Alvarion.
The cost of owning a network isn't based
Alvarion in their networks.
Anyway, please excuse the long winded, ra-ra post.
- Patrick
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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:46 AM
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Brad, it would
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP, arguably OT
As we all know, this can take the form of an almost religious debate,
which I'm going to try to avoid (and I'll ask Brad or others from Alvarion
to avoid the same). We here have a strong
On 4/19/06, Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The telephone company didn't choose a system with $500 CPE. They have a$50 CPE.Same with Cable. We can all understand the infrastructurebuildout and the considerable cost in building it, but even they grasp the
cost of growth limitation
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It is not financially feasible for a mainstream WISP, who is attempting to
serve all types of internet customers to rely on BA for anything but
specialized application., It's just too
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Mainstream WISPs need good backhaul to interconnect tower locations.
Whatever a WISP uses I am guessing
Scrivner
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I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will
save money with this platform. If you are saying it is more expensive
than other platforms then you
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I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will
save money with this platform. If you are saying it is more expensive
than other platforms then you are right but the performance boost and
wider coverage per cell make up
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On a related note, Raising Capital: Get the Money You Need to Grow Your Business is an excellent book.
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I disagree. I weighed the performance specs and price and I feel I will
save money with this platform
Internet, NO WIRES!
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Mark, Come on.The whole BreezeAccess product family was made and
continues to get upgrades for WISP's. There are well over 1,000 WISP's
using
our gear in the states alone. You won't find many of them here or on other
WISP threads
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Mark, Come
and
not mainstream and there is some division is a real strech. Brad
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:51 PM
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With that said I still think
. Brad
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:44 AM
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agreed, VL is far from carrier grade
On Apr 12, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
snip
Motorola
Broadband
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:46 PM
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Tom,
I am confused about your testing. If you are testing a link, and it has 2%
packet
:46 PM
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Tom,
I am confused about your testing. If you are testing a link, and it has 2%
packet loss, then the link is going to run 2%-4% slower due to the loss,
therefore the results will reflect that loss.
Ever run a speed test across a link
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Thanks,
Steve
On Apr 11, 2006, at 18:55, Dylan Oliver wrote:
How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What
DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:46 PM
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Tom,
I am confused about your
I was thinking I would be the devils advocate, and ask this question:
Why go thru all the hassle of learning Mikrotik(Which, IMHO, Is a PITA),
when You can save the learning curve, and use Tranzeo, Deliberant or
even HighGain Antennas solutions that are cheap and easy to administer
and a
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From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Tom,
Again, I am confused. You state that TCP will correct for packet loss it
detects... so in that case
Get a 2.4 ap and a couple of cpe kits and do a small test install. If it
looks good buy more.
One of the first things we'd need to know in order to really help you out
would be more info on what your competition is doing
marlon
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From: Richard Goodin [EMAIL
: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
As a former Canopy user, I would like to point out a couple of issues not
mentioned here.
1) Canopy is limited to vertical polarity in PTMP deployments. Trango
and many other systems can be deployed in horizontal polarity, pretty much
avoiding any Canopy
Motorola designed Canopy specifically for the WISP market, not the
carrier market.
Alvarion designed VL specifically for the carrier market, not the WISP
market.
Thanks,
Steve
On Apr 11, 2006, at 18:55, Dylan Oliver wrote:
How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What is it
To: WISPA General List
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Thanks,
Steve
On Apr 11, 2006, at 18:55, Dylan Oliver wrote:
How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What is it about
Alvarion VL that makes the cut vs. Canopy? Lord knows Motorola
produces far more 'Carrier
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
Paul Hendry wrote: All the details are on the Valemount web site
http
John:
Here's my working definition of carrier grade:
Designed for use by carriers
Suitable for use by carriers
Sufficiently reliable for use by carriers
There is MUCH that goes into a product designed for use by carriers.
It's expensive and a tough market, so a lot of vendors don't try. Here
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Hi,
Does anyone
Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:54 PM
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It is TCP. We do not use UDP since it gives
9:36 PM
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Using the 533 MHz IXP-420 we can get an Atheros to just over 35 mbps
of non compressible data and almost 90 mbps of compressible data.
Lonnie
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Dan,
We had this discussion a few weeks
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:54 PM
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It is TCP. We do not use UDP since it gives a reading
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
in just a point to point config
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:07 PM
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What we do is measure non compressible data and that becomes the
absolute max I will let someone ask for. That means with compressible
data we do
Here's the reply for all answers.
Look at the name of the association. WISPA. We are not carriers, we Do
Not get listed on the stock-exchange, we do not have money to burn. This
is the reason for our existence. We deliver the goods where these fools
fear to tread. A Microcell with 10 customers
Steve, excellent points. except... (also see inline)
By your definition of Carrier grade, I could argue that many WISPs that
just so happen not to use Alvarion, may very well better meet the definition
of carrier grade than the carriers themselves. One of the negatives about
the Alvarion
- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
This may be the case, but the test we perform seems to describe what
we
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:33 PM
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This may be the case, but the test we perform seems
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Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
With that said I still think Alvarion is a far better platform than
Canopy which is strictly my opinion and has no basis in fact. In the
past I
I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have
mine. :D
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for a new WISP
Chad,
Based on your post, I just
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
This may be the case, but the test we perform seems to describe what
we see in real life use. As long as you have consistency it does not
matter what you do. The ability to compare apples to apples
Tom:
My defense of Alvarion is pretty mild. They're definitely drifting down
the innovation curve, not up. They're incredibly arrogant about not
doing Wi-Fi despite the growing, impressive wins of Wi-Fi mesh vendors.
They're not doing mesh, etc. They now are involved pretty deeply in the
I've always looked at Alvarion as being carrier grade or as close as
anything I've seen.
And they are a fine company.
George
Steve Stroh wrote:
Tom:
My defense of Alvarion is pretty mild. They're definitely drifting down
the innovation curve, not up. They're incredibly arrogant about
Guys;
These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a WISP
operator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away, maybe 300 feet,
another guy put up his tower. I think they were both on 2.4 GHZ, and
someone suggested a different AP that would not even be
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Sent: 11 April 2006 08:09
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Guys;
These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about a
WISP
operator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away
All the details are on the Valemount web site
http://www.staros.com/starvx/
Cheers,
P.
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Sent: 11 April 2006 09:15
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
So
Richard Goodin wrote:
Guys;
These all sound great. I was reading just a couple months back about
a WISP operator that had a severe problem. Just a few yards away,
maybe 300 feet, another guy put up his tower. I think they were both
on 2.4 GHZ, and someone suggested a different AP that
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Behalf Of Richard Goodin
Sent: 11 April 2006 09:15
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
So... Who makes them?, how much?
Hi Richard,
This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz channel sizes
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
So... Who makes them?, how much?
Hi Richard,
This cloaking mechanism is the 5MHz and 10MHz
Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begin
delivery of bandwidth to customers.
Since Canopy hasn't been mentioned yet, I'll mention it.
You really can't go wrong with a canopy installation. It works, even in
the presence of noise that would
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Travis Johnson wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz
boards in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
Attached is a screen capture from the original 4 port
As a former Canopy user, I would like to point out a couple of issues
not mentioned here.
1) Canopy is limited to vertical polarity in PTMP deployments. Trango
and many other systems can be deployed in horizontal polarity, pretty
much avoiding any Canopy in the area.
2) Canopy systems
Replies inline below:
Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begin
delivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery was
802.11b, but with increased competition from other services nearby
(about 5 miles away) I am wondering how
John Scrivner:
Sadly the best Wifi solutions available do not have 100% FCC
compliance. There are some that do though. Tranzeo is a good example.
Look at Tranzeo for your Wifi based gear needs.
Tranzeo is 100% FCC legal? I've been looking for the certs...
Jason
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Might I inquire as to where the dishes can be had for $40?
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That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3
miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to
10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with
I sure thought I saw certs once on their site. I guess maybe you could
call them and ask for the URL to their FCC certs? If you see this then
passing those along here would sure be nice.
Thanks,
Scriv
Jason Wallace wrote:
John Scrivner:
Sadly the best Wifi solutions available do not have
To clarify,
I was looking specifically for AP's that were certified for 120deg
sectors. I Searched the FCC database and couldn't find anything about
the Tranzeos. YMMV, however. Can anyone clear this up? A link?
Jason
John Scrivner wrote:
I sure thought I saw certs once on their site. I
John Scrivner wrote:
I sure thought I saw certs once on their site. I guess maybe you could
call them and ask for the URL to their FCC certs? If you see this then
passing those along here would sure be nice.
Tranzeo in the past has played fast and loose with certificates besides
what they
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As a former Canopy user, I would like to point out a couple of issues not
mentioned here.
1) Canopy is limited
, April 11, 2006 9:28
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for a new WISP
Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz
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Dan,
We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another
wireless list.
What processor and setup are you using to get
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Dan,
We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on another
wireless list
, April 11, 2006 9:28 AM
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
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Dan,
We had this discussion a few weeks ago, although it may have been on
another
wireless list.
What
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum
Of Travis
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best system for a new WISP
Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
in just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
How is any product qualified as 'Carrier-Grade'? What is it about
Alvarion VL that makes the cut vs. Canopy? Lord knows Motorola produces
far more 'Carrier-Grade' equipment than Alvarion ever will - so where
did they go wrong with Canopy?
Also, I've heard lately several complaints that Waverider
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards
in just a point to point config
General List
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for a new WISP
Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz boards in
just a point to point config, using 20mhz of spectrum?
Travis
Microserv
Paul Hendry wrote:
All the details are on the Valemount web sitehttp
PacWireless Dishes.
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Hi,
Does anyone know actual TCP throughput with StarOS on their 533mhz
If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has that
cpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.
Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to begin
delivery of bandwidth to customers. My choice for service delivery was
that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has that
cpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.
Richard Goodin wrote:
I have been planning my WISP for about a year, and have yet to
Qty 30 (last I heard, I don't use them)
Rick Smith wrote:
that's only quantity (large!) pricing isn't it ?
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
If it's pretty absent of trees you might look at 5.8. Trango has
that cpe for $150. Not going to find any propriety gear cheaper.
Richard Goodin wrote:
I
That's on quantity 30 $149 each. 5.8ghz, dual polarity, up to 3
miles (add $40 for a dish and it goes up to 13 miles) and delivers up to
10Mbps. Hard to beat! And with SmartPolling on the AP, you can get
hundreds of customers per sector.
Travis
Microserv
Rick Smith wrote:
that's only
Trango does make a good product. I still have 2 Sunstream AP's in use.
They are like Timex watches.
I'm using Star War boards. A little bit more than the trango s. The 2
card boards in a 5 gig rootenna let me use the 2nd card for an omni.
Speeds are about 20+ megs or so and I cloak down to
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