Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to provide
a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites? The only
one I can find is IE only:
Click a href=javascript:window.external.AddFavorite('
http://www.blablabla.com', 'blabla')here/a to add this site
Hi,
One of the very first pages that I tested in the released version of IE8
was:
http://www.calcresult.com/reference/text/unicode-reference.html
The rendering of that page is slightly broken (at the moment) in IE6 and
IE7 in that the right-hand column overlaps some of the content. What
confused
On 25/03/2009, at 11:15 PM, designer wrote:
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to
favourites?
There is no way of doing this across all browsers, so all you're left
with are the browsers who have
designer wrote:
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
As far as I know, Microsoft are the only vendor to have implemented a
system for triggering bookmark/favourite adding from a webpage.
In
michael.brocking...@bt.com wrote:
http://www.calcresult.com/reference/text/unicode-reference.html
The rendering of that page is slightly broken (at the moment) in IE6
and IE7 in that the right-hand column overlaps some of the content.
What confused me though, was that IE8 insisted on
designer
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
The only one I can find is IE only:
I know you're probably asking because a client insists on having it,
but...have we not evolved yet beyond
If in doubt, place this meta in page head...
meta http-equiv=X-UA-Compatible content=IE=edge / ...and the
Compatibility view button will disappear in IE8.
Using meta http-equiv=X-UA-Compatible content=IE=8 / will also
have the same effect (getting rid of the compatibility view button and
It's not just replicating browser functionality - it's a call to action. As
such I think it's perfectly reasonable.
Steve
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On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote:
It's not just replicating browser functionality - it's a call to
action.
But the action you're calling for is indeed a replication of browser
functionality. Calling something by another name does not change what
it is.
So previously
As was mentioned, it's a call to action. Those who are familiar
with marketing will understand this concept. Also, it a user-friendly
way to compel a user to bookmark the site for future reference without
jumping through the hoops the browsers require.
It's the same principle as putting Call us
On Mar 25, 2009, at 4:58 AM, michael.brocking...@bt.com michael.brocking...@bt.com
wrote:
Hi,
One of the very first pages that I tested in the released version of
IE8
Sorry for my ignorant, is IE8 out?
I did a google search, and only see Released Candidate, the IE8 page
on MSDN site
The argument continues to be shaky at best. ...compel a user... in
particular seems to display a fundamental misunderstanding of the
realities of the web as a medium.
I wonder if anyone knows of any user studies around this question: Is
this an often-requested feature? When available, is
This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web
Standards.
On Wed, March 25, 2009 3:46 pm, Rick Faircloth wrote:
No, previous arguments still miss the point.
Having a button on a browser for booksmarks is not comparable
to having a Bookmark this page link on the
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Sent: 25 March 2009 15:18
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On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote:
It's not just replicating browser functionality
Apparently this list is not aware of many marketing practices,
as the original poster was challenged as to the appropriateness
as to the use of a standard marketing practice.
If list members do not want to discuss topics, they should not
bring them up.
I didn't start this discussion, but I'll be
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This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web
tee wrote:
Sorry for my ignorant, is IE8 out?
Yes, as of March 19th.
Keep an eye on a site like this...
http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/
...and you'll at most only be a few days off regarding new releases.
regards
Georg
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On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Gunlaug S?rtun wrote:
The start html tag is missing in your page - you have doctype
directly followed by head.
That should make no difference. The HTML, HEAD and BODY tags are
optional.
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I'm new to this group, so I can't speak for anyone else. However, this
sounds like something that would be of interest to me. I'm certainly game
for hearing how other people handle these conflicts, how they arrive at
their decisions, and so on.
The simple fact is that regardless of our
My justification for wanting to do this is simple, and in my eyes, very
sensible. However, it will no doubt cause ructions amongst the evangelists.
I want to use frames. Frames, contrary to popular myth, are not an
accessibility nightmare. The simple 2-frame frameset I have made validates
James Leslie wrote:
Using meta http-equiv=X-UA-Compatible content=IE=8 / will also
have the same effect (getting rid of the compatibility view button
and forcing standards mode), but may be a bit more stable against
future releases of IE.
But, may also lock documents to IE8's rendering
A call-to-action Bookmark This Page does not provide the
same functionality as a browser's bookmarking button when
functionality is extended to include psychological functionality
from the designer's perspective.
From a technical perspective, a bookmarking link and a bookmarking
browser button
Quite right, Janice.
When you have a boss, you do as the boss says, like it or not.
Or quit, or be fired. Those are the options.
No web standard is worth the loss of employment.
If anyone wants to make the final decision about standards
adherence, become the boss.
Rick
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The correct design (and web standards that are adhered to or not)
is that design for which the client is paying. Web designers should
offer suggestions and guidance to those who hire them for their
expertise, but the decision to follow or disregard standards is up
to the person footing the bill.
On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
When you have a boss, you do as the boss says, like it or not.
Or quit, or be fired. Those are the options.
If you have not been hired for your expertise, yes. Otherwise you are
honor-bound to present the arguments, not just blindly obey -
I am not so arrogant as to even wish to speak for this list, but on
my own account I'll say that this question is disingenuous. Obviously
our work constantly involves balancing requirements. An important
part of that balancing act is to provide the benefit of our expertise
to stakeholders.
I have found using a service such as http://www.addthis.com/ which includes add
to favorites/bookmark is fine.
Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign Solutions
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG]
In my opinion that's the wrong list to ask such a question, should go
to something more web developing like.
My opinion about the button idea and web standards?
Why not give a nice ajax button that when people click it gives them
instruction in few screenshots/lines of text on how to favourite a
This seems like a good solution and I certainly would use it.
But the others who are against bookmarking links could not without
violating principle. Although that single link provides a lot of
convenience for the user, they could still visit all 11 plus sites
to register their site on
Spend a little time on Google searching
internet marketing call to action bookmark this page
and you'll get a ton of info on the subject and you'll
see many other examples that are similar to bookmarking,
such as Subscribe to my RSS feed... even though there
is a button right on the page already.
I am not so arrogant as to even wish to speak for this list, but on
my own account I'll say that this question is disingenuous. Obviously
our work constantly involves balancing requirements. An important
part of that balancing act is to provide the benefit of our expertise
to stakeholders.
James Leslie wrote:
Using meta http-equiv=X-UA-Compatible content=IE=8 / will also
have the same effect (getting rid of the compatibility view button
and forcing standards mode), but may be a bit more stable against
future releases of IE.
But, may also lock documents to IE8's
Hi all,
Has anyone had any experiencing trying to implement the 'mega dropdown
menu' (see article below) in a SharePoint site?
I'm going to attempt to do it, but thought anyone who has already been
through this might have some tips / advice for me.
Alertbox: Mega Drop-Down Navigation Menus Work
On 26/03/2009, at 3:56 AM, Steve Green wrote:
Is this list interested in discussing how to balance the conflicting
requirements of various stakeholders (including marketers) or does
it take
the dogmatic position that compliance with web stardards trumps
everything
else?
You've pretty much
On 3/25/09 12:12 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
The correct design (and web standards that are adhered to or not)
is that design for which the client is paying.
Sorry, but that just reads to me like a way to excuse slipshod work. It is
one thing to figure out any old way to
While the concept may appear sound at first glance, it's based on a false,
misleading and dishonest premise.
The simple process of adding a favorites link on a web page is a
proprietary function attributed to a single browser designed and developed
by its manufacturer solely as marketing
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:50 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?)
On 3/25/09 12:12 PM, Rick Faircloth
The Web Standards Group is for web designers developers who are
interested in web standards (HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS, XSLT etc.) and best
practices (accessible sites using valid and semantically correct code).
We aim to:
* Provide web developers and designers with a forum to discuss issues
On 26/03/2009, at 10:07 AM, Dennis Lapcewich wrote:
The simple process of adding a favorites link on a web page is a
proprietary function attributed to a single browser designed and
developed by its manufacturer solely as marketing mechanism for said
company. While on its face this may
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Although that single link provides a lot of
convenience for the user, they could still visit all 11 plus sites
to register their site on delicious, digg, google, facebook, twitter, etc…
That assumes that the users will want to bookmark the page/site on all
11 social
Stuart,
You'll be pleased to know that I have indeed read what the Web
Standards Group is for, and that I understand what web standards are.
My original email was very clear that the method I suggested was
*proprietary*, given that no standardised approach exists for doing
what was
Oh, brother, Dennis.you're implying that the use of the word favorites is
a conspiracy?
And it really doesn't matter who develops a function and for what
reason.it's up to the
developers and designers to use or not use a function, depending on their
target audience.
Every business has to
Do you imagine that a condescending, not to say insulting, tone adds
weight to your arguments? If so, I'm sorry to disabuse you, but it
just makes a weak point weaker.
To address your argument, you appear (as does OP) to be confused as
to the context of user benefit, call to action. I find
On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
differentiation with
superior products or marketing
ROFL!
(sorry, Russ)
Andrew
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First off, no, it's not possible. The technology doesn't exist today, or
we'd all have self-driving cars already.
It is possible...there's just not sufficient will and money to make it
a widespread reality. But that's another topic for another day...
Anyway...the first time you are forced to
As I understand this thread, it is not about whether current standards
are right or wrong, but how did we end up with these standards in the
first place?
The current standards did not just spring into existence, fully
formed, out of the brow of some greek god. The standards evolved as
peoples
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This thread has deteriorated into slanging match.
Any more and the thread will be closed.
Keep the conversation constructive, helpful, considerate... Like a giant
virtual group hug :0
Thanks
Russ
List admin and group hug evangelist
There's where the difference is.users are *allowed* to come to sites that I
build
as a benefit to them. I don't know of a single user who ever visited a site
(other than somebody's mother) for the benefit of the site's owner or
developer.
People don't visit newegg.com, Microsoft,com, or
Any more and the thread will be closed.
Please!!!
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Ewen Hill , Project Manager, Web Communications Unit
Department of Human Services, Level 16, 50 Lonsdale Street Melbourne
Victoria 3000
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huggroup/hug
Sorry that tag isn't to standard... ;o)
Rick
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Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
days, who knows what things will be like then!
Rick
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On 26/03/2009, at 11:37 AM, Andrew Maben wrote:
To address your argument, you appear (as does OP) to be confused as
to the context of user benefit, call to action.
I'm not at all confused as to what a user benefit is. You may have
decided for yourself that websites have no place crossing
hug
group
include template=Ewen.Hill
/hug
:o)
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Any more
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
days, who knows what things will be like then!
Blind people flying around with jetpacks ;)
P
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huggroup/hug
Sorry that tag isn't to standard... ;o)
Read Russ's DOCTYPE :-)
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So true.
But how long has the WG been working on HTML5? And assuming anyone
ever reaches consensus on that, how long until browsers start
supporting it in wide enough numbers for it to be a practical
alternative for developers?
Technology can change fast, but in the world of web, it can take
On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
days, who knows what things will be like then!
Blind people flying around with jetpacks ;)
It will be just like in the Star Trek Voyager, that Tom Paris
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Cool! They'll have implants and better vision
than organically-sighted people!
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