these
browsers.
I believe that Opera has the native ability to jump to headings, so that would
provide a very similar capability, especially if you add hidden headings for
the navigation. I don't believe any other browsers have any such features yet.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners
I do not recommend putting the navigation after the content. In fact I would go
as far as to say it's a really bad practice because it violates every user's
expectation of where the navigation will be. Using CSS to position it above the
content makes things even worse because the tab order no
2.4.3:
Structuring the content so the main content comes first (in structure - but
the default presentation may be a different order), and adding links to the
blocks of repeated content.
On 5 June 2012 22:57, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk wrote:
I do not recommend putting
You wouldn't put up with a web page that forced you to read a short message
and hit the delete key before seeing the rest of the page.
That's exactly what the new European cookie law is going to force you to do.
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Oliver Boermans
Sent: 07 March 2012 11:20
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?
On 6 March 2012 09:20, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote:
@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?
Come on Steve, tell us why not then?
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice
for these services (and they are not
cheap) there are much better ways you can spend the money that will benefit
more people.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of James O'Neill
Sent: 21 February 2012 18:34
To: wsg
fund a continuous program of
remedial work that would benefit all user groups rather than the fairly narrow
range of user groups that benefit from ReadSpeaker.
Steve Green
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of James O'Neill
Sent: 21 February 2012 19
If you are asking whether there needs to be a link from the error message to
the corresponding form control, the answer is no.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of Sue
Sent: Mon 18/07/2011 02:45
To: wsg
and
only one click is necessary instead of two.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org on behalf of tee
Sent: Sun 17/07/2011 00:14
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] accessibilty: avoid radio buttons?
I am building
regarding the use of Vision Australia's
tools if you have the skills to use them.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael
Sent: 24 June 2011 17:16
To: wsg
than you could do the task using a desktop browser. Even typing
URLs was taking a couple of minutes (they typically contained 50 characters or
so), so we had to use a URL shortening service to speed that up.
Good luck and let us know if you find a better service.
Steve Green
Director
Test
.x
On Jan 26, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Steve Green wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, all screen readers will 'accept'
the new tags insofar as they will read the content between the tags.
They just won't do anything with the tags themselves.
On 1/25/11 12:34 AM, Steve Green
to make an
informed decision.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Steve Green
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] HTML5 v. HTML 4.x
In my view it depends on who you are and who is paying for the website
development. If you
will not use this new technics now, then it wil be hard for browser
vendors, web services and device makers to develop them futher.
Of course that's all depend on type of site and conditions of work.
2011/1/27 Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk
Both those examples are interesting
, and placing text within
the canvas. At one time there was a conflict when combining ARIA
landmarks with the new elements. But this is no longer a problem as the
screen reader software was fixed.
Ted
On 1/25/11 12:34 AM, Steve Green steve.gr...@testpartners.co.uk
wrote:
You can use
You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive technologies don't
support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't know if search engines and
other users of programmatic access to websites are currently able to make use
of HTML5 markup, but I have not seen anything to indicate
On 25 Jan 2011, at 08:34, Steve Green wrote:
You can use it, but will anyone benefit from it? Assistive
technologies don't support much, if any, of the new semantics. I don't
know if search engines and other users of programmatic access to
websites are currently able to make use of HTML5 markup, but I
So called 'semantic classnames' are not semantic at all except in the
case of microformats. The whole point of semantic markup is that the
author and user agree on the terminology and the meaning, and that is
not the case with semantic classnames no matter how obvious they may
seem to you.
I just tested it in exactly the same operating system and browser, and
it works fine. The fact that you are seeing the 'Skip to content' link
suggests that the focus is going to the top of the page, not into the
lightbox. That happens if JavaScript is turned off, and I can't think of
any other
That would do no harm, but I don't think it would be much benefit either. This
site is about a year old, and we took the view that ARIA was not sufficiently
well supported to be worth using. More importantly, users typically have no
idea what it is when they encounter it, so it will be years
AM, Steve Green wrote:
Yes, here's one we worked on -
http://htmltools.moneymadeclear.org.uk/mortgage-calculator/index.aspx
Have you tested it on Firefox? It doesn't seem to allow keyboard support
for the modal window.
Also, a usability glitch IMHO, the close button should
time the focus is not correctly controlled is when the
'Recommend to a friend' or 'Email results' forms are submitted. In these
cases the focus returns to the top of the page. The developers tell us
it's because they can't control the focus after an HTTP request.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners
I'm with Patrick on this one. The form, fieldset and label elements
provide all the semantic structure you need. Anything else is noise.
Steve Green
Test Partners Ltd
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Taylor
It's just an animated GIF.
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Grant Bailey
Sent: 08 November 2010 12:14
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Google 'X-ray' banner
Hello,
Does anyone know how Google did their
fixed font sizes,
which just introduces a different problem.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of tee
Sent: 26 October 2010 03:00
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG
mentioned above) tend not to be cooperative.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
***
List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm
Help: memberh
than
loading a new page. We keep telling them to implement the feature
differently but they persist despite all the accessibility problems it
causes.
Steve Green
Test Partners Ltd
***
List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org
of the world cannot afford to upgrade as fast as we can.
Steve Green
***
List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm
Help: memberh
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Kat
Sent: 02 November 2009 01:35
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Complex data tables, accessibility and XHTML Basic 1.1
Steve Green wrote:
I am tempted to say
I always point people to http://blackwidows.co.uk/. The links are accessible
to screen readers and are displayed when they have focus so they are
accessible to sighted users who use keyboard navigation.
_
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of
...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Green
Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 12:52 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] skip links
I always point people to http://blackwidows.co.uk/. The links are accessible
to screen readers and are displayed when they have
regards
Mark
_
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Green
Sent: Thursday, 29 October 2009 11:01 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] skip links
A 1-pixel image works for screen reader users but it is no use
It may seem strange, but image maps are more accessible to screen reader
users than to almost any other user group. They are a significant barrier to
some user groups even when correctly coded, so you should provide the
information in an alternative, accessible manner.
For your class exercise you
Hi everyone.
I was just looking at a page on the National Library of Australia web site
(http://www.nla.gov.au/services/issnabout.html) and noticed the font
rendering was strange in my browser (Firefox 3.5.3). When I looked at the
markup to try and understand why, I found that the site seem to be
It's not that simple. We are working with some UK Government departments
that still use WCAG 1.0 and will continue to do so until well into 2010.
Other departments have already adopted WCAG 2.0.
To answer the question, I do not believe such a list exists, and it would
require continuous
JAWS
behaves this way.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd
***
List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm
Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm
Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org
***
Actually he won't see a bug free site at all. Correcting the doctype and
other issues makes no difference.
The bug does not occur in Internet Explorer 6. Something like this has been
reported previously but the only references I can find are not directly
applicable to this situation.
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]on
Behalf Of Christopher Kennon
Sent: 15 April 2009 01:40
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Image Replacement and Accessabilty
Hi All,
The text indent CSS property can render an h#
It's not just replicating browser functionality - it's a call to action. As
such I think it's perfectly reasonable.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Lauke
Sent: 25 March 2009 13:36
To:
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Maben
Sent: 25 March 2009 15:18
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites?
On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote:
It's not just replicating browser functionality
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent: 25 March 2009 16:19
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?
This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web
It's not just screen readers that have problems with new windows. Every user
group we have tested with has had problems.
Screen reader users sometimes do not notice that the screen reader has
announced the opening of a new window. Screen magnifier users frequently
cannot tell that a new window
I don't allow QuickTime to be installed on any of our machines either. Is
there a reason why you can't use a file format that has a larger installed
user base? Most non-Mac users won't have QuickTime.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
Accessibility validators should make it very clear where a checkpoint is
required by a standard (in which case they should provide a reference so you
can check the precise wording) and where it is 'best practice' (according to
who?).
In this case the 'failure' is not a non-compliance with any
It is understood that some tasks will require two keys, such as Alt + down
arrow to open a combobox.
I presume you are testing on a Mac because I see slightly different
behaviour than you describe in Windows browsers. In both Internet Explorer 6
and Firefox 2.0 the arrow keys alone are sufficient
I would be grateful if any JavaScript (specifically jQuery) experts could
contact me off-list as I have a client who needs some remedial work done
(for which they will pay). Also are there any more suitable places I could
post this request?
Steve
Stuart's point is that blinking content violates checkpoint 7.2 of the W3C
Web Content Accessibility Guidelines:
Until user agents allow users to control blinking, avoid causing content to
blink (i.e., change presentation at a regular rate, such as turning on and
off)
Steve
-Original
Betsie does a lot more than just display the page without styles. It was
designed to improve the accessibility of the crappy websites that were the
norm a decade ago, and it is less useful on a website that is coded properly
but it still has some value. The technical spec is at
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke
Sent: 20 November 2008 20:54
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version
Steve Green wrote:
You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you
can't do is replace the images with their 'alt' attributes
November 2008 21:07
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you
can't do is replace the images with their 'alt' attributes.
Does
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of David Dorward
Sent: 20 November 2008 21:06
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version
Steve Green wrote:
You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you
can't do is replace the images
November 2008 21:33
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Text-only version
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Steve Green
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You can do a lot of what Betsie does using CSS but the one thing you
can't do is replace the images with their 'alt' attributes.
Does
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matthew Pennell
Sent: 18 October 2008 20:22
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Big Browsing Issues on clients PC Laptop AOL
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Kristine Cummins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 03 October 2008 10:03
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Fieldsets Legends
Hi,
I'm trying to educate developers to add fieldsets and legends to their code
when building applications. Jaws 5.0
Further to the discussion regarding WCAG 2.0 in government, I am interested
in the reasons why organisations are or are not choosing to adopt WCAG 2.0.
Would anyone care to share their thoughts? Are you adopting it just because
it's new and presumably better? Or have you reviewed it thoroughly and
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: 04 September 2008 23:33
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???
Hey guys... it is great that talk about accessibility and chrome has been
raised - but I do
Yes, this is the case. There has been a lot of talk about this in GAWDS, and
Steve Faulkner has written about it at
http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=92.
Basically it looks like there's no MSAA support. If they don't address this,
many large organisations (at least in the UK) will not use it.
Thanks Steve for the clarification.
OK, in the risk of showing more ignorant, I still have question. My
understanding on WCAG guidelines, are the fundamental principle of DDA,
Section 508 and similar law in other countries correct? When a website is to
be DDA or Section 508 compliant, for lack
On Aug 14, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Krystian - Sunlust wrote:
It costs £300 man, I would prefer to get an open source solution,
community paid support.
Try getting support from Magento, likely £300 is comparably very
inexpensive, considering that commercial software ought to give you support
on
I thought that UK DDA is based on the WCAG AA guideline no? One time I
did a template coding for a UK company, and was asked to follow WCAG AA
guideline.
As for Section 508, my impression is that, despite the additional
requirements, it doesn't even quite meet the WCAG A.
In the early years of
You can get an uninstaller from the Adobe website -
http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html#uninstaller
You can get every old Flash version at
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_14266
/ consultant. This is a
mid-level to senior position based on London and I am offering a substantial
finders fee for anyone who can introduce a candidate that we recruit. Full
details are available on request.
Steve Green
Labscape
www.labscape.co.uk
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Thanks for the clarification Dennis. If it turns out that ADA does cover
websites, what would be the test for compliance?
Or is it likely to be similar to the DDA in the UK, which is concerned with
actual outcomes rather than a technical standard? Under the DDA it doesn't
matter if a website is
I have never encountered a friend, family member or other civilian who
has a problem scrolling in either direction if necessary.
A horizontal scrollbar does not prevent users from accessing content but it
reduces the efficiency with which they can do so. Not only does zooming
introduce the
Well here's a guy who has done a bit of usability testing. To quote from the
article:
We know from user testing that users hate horizontal scrolling and always
comment negatively when they encounter it.
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050711.html
Of course he could be entirely wrong but I don't
You can still get some old versions from the Mozilla FTP site at
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/
It's ludicrous that they have removed some old versions - can they really
not afford the disk space? Obviously users should not be installing old
versions but developers
The rationale for this checkpoint seems to have been long forgotten, and I
don't know of any user agent that has a problem with adjacent links. Nor
does anyone else it seems, which is why the WCAG Samurai recommended that
the checkpoint should be ignored.
It certainly isn't a problem for any
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 April 2008 15:36
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
Please help me with another question, with multiple
It's the well known IE6 duplicate text bug.
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html
_
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rob Enslin
Sent: 03 April 2008 10:51
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
During user testing I have not seen this cause any problems, particularly
when only one level is skipped. It is certainly odd when you jump from an
h1 or h2 to an h5 or h6, but users generally take even extreme cases
like this in their stride (yes, we do come across sites like this!). In
general,
This kind of testing is our core business, and I have to say that these days
there is very little difference when running a particular browser version on
different Windows versions.
One difference that comes to mind is that Windows 2000 has native 56-bit
encryption, and this is not increased
PDFs can be more accessible than was previously possible but there are lots
of gotchas, and it's way too big a topic to cover in this reply. Note that
by default, PDFs are not tagged, so they are only marginally more accessible
than before. Maximum accessibility is obtained by tagging them, but
In my experience client-side validation works fine with screen readers but
you need to be careful how you present any error messages. It is
increasingly common to see them slid in silently, and this is a big problem
not only for screen reader users but also for magnifier users because they
are
There may be specific cases where it would be right to mark up a form as a
list, although I can't think of one. As a general rule it would be wrong.
The argument against marking up a form as a list is that a form is not a
list. A form is one or more groups of form controls, and the fieldset
. Do they usually have Flash installed? I thought that
screen readers would default to whatever is suppose to be replaced with the
Flash when using SWFObject. Maybe it defaults because the Flash isn't
enabled... Though, I guess that could be wrong as well.
Steve Green wrote:
Such as?
JAWS (which
Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using
unobtrusive techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the
content that is supposed to be replaced, but I have never
: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using
unobtrusive
techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content
that is
supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Green
Sent: 04 February 2008 14:23
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
I checked www.salford.ac.uk with JAWS 7.10 and 9.0, and neither of
them see either the linked image or the Flash content.
Steve
Such as?
JAWS (which has something like 50% market share) has a high level of
JavaScript support and I believe that the other professional screen readers
(WindowEyes and HAL/SuperNova) also do. Free and cheap screen readers
generally don't have JavaScript support.
In our experience screen reader
resources that may be useful so I'll contact you off-list.
Steve Green
www.labscape.co.uk
_
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Jeffery
Sent: 15 January 2008 12:09
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Test Plans
Hi All.
Im not familiar with test
online. I think this is a very important part of
web standards. QA should not be an afterthought but an integral part of the
process.
Michael Horowitz
Your Computer Consultant
http://yourcomputerconsultant.com
561-394-9079
Steve Green wrote:
When you talk about 'standard' or 'government' test
I have a big problem with the term 'best practice', especially when it is
used to effectively terminate a discussion. It implies that not only is
there currently no better solution, but that there never will be.
I believe that the most appropriate solution invariably depends on the
context, and
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] semantic list with explanations
On Behalf Of Steve Green
I have a big problem with the term 'best practice', especially when it
is used to effectively terminate a discussion. It implies that not
only is there currently no better solution
The desire for semantic purity is only one of many factors when deciding how
to mark up a page. Other factors include (but are not limited to) UA
support, the user experience, the time available to implement the design and
the expected life of the website. I would expect a professional designer to
Of course I made up that 1% figure but I don't suppose it's far out. Just
look at the phenomenal number of crap websites out there. There are
something like 100,000 people offering web design services in the UK (10,000
in London alone) yet GAWDS membership (which is global) is only around 500
and
I think that definition lists would be appropriate semantically but in the
real world I don't know of any user agent that does anything useful with a
definition list or any user group that derives any benefit from them.
Certainly they make no sense when read with a screen reader because you
cannot
visual browsers a better experience.
If we cheat with the markup to please user agents what's the incentive for
SR manufacturers to take care of the problem?
--
Regards,
Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Steve Green
Read the license terms - they are very clear. You can only use the demo
version to help you assess whether you are going to purchase the full
version. Nothing else.
You explicitly cannot use the demo version for testing your websites.
Once you have decided that you are not going to purchase
A year ago I started to evaluate FireVox 2.6 and had a dialog with Charles
Chen, its creator. At that time there is no way I would describe it as
full-fledged screen reader as it had many shortcomings. I got the
impression it was really just a hobby project, and Charles said he had
pretty much
A year ago I started to evaluate FireVox 2.6 and had a dialog with Charles
Chen, its creator. At that time there is no way I would describe it as
full-fledged screen reader as it had many shortcomings. I got the
impression it was really just a hobby project, and Charles said he had
pretty much
I don't recommend that solution. We have tested this kind of form with a
highly proficient screen reader user, and he could not understand it at all.
In fact it was one of the few tasks he has ever failed to complete. This is
one of those cases where marking up content so it is semantically
The problem with the code below is that the content of the legend will be
read before every label. That makes it very difficult for a screen reader
user to read it fast. I would just have the question in a p or possibly
even a header element.
Once the user has read through a few questions and
Undoubtedly it's the cleanest way to achieve the required functionality, and
there are fewer accessibility issues.
However, it is less easy for a user to quickly review their answers because
they have to read the text rather than just look at the physical position of
the selected radio button.
Steve Green wrote:
The problem with the code below is that the content of the legend
will be read before every label. That makes it very difficult for a
screen reader user to read it fast. I would just have the question in
a p or possibly even a header element.
However, if the user is in JAWS
The accessibility issues relating to frames are often overstated, although
they can cause difficulties with user agents that only support one window,
such as Lynx. You can usually still use the site but it is not as convenient
because you have to keep going back to the list of frames in order to
Not at all. You know that the site only has 15 pages but your visitors
don't. The sitemap gives the visitor an immediate indication of the size of
the site, so why deny them that? It can be a big help in determining their
strategy for browsing the site.
Steve
-Original Message-
From:
People with assistive technologies rarely benefit from 'title' attributes.
They are not displayed by text browsers, they are not accessible using
keyboard navigation (or devices that emulate keyboards) and they are not
read by screen readers with default settings. They are only accessible to
the screen there are alternative methods for
making link text bigger, there is no alternative method for a user to make
sense of link text.
James
On Nov 18, 2007 5:44 PM, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
People with assistive technologies rarely benefit from 'title' attributes
There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to tab through the links in
Firefox. Links are not on the tab sequence in Safari by default, but you can
turn that on in the Preferences. I have no idea if users actually do in
practice.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
1 - 100 of 151 matches
Mail list logo