subject:"RE\\\\\\\: \\\\\\\[WSG\\\\\\\] Site check..."

 Without even trying to be obsessive compulsive I can report that there
is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several of them wrap.

Would you be able to post a link to the form in question?

Thanks



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RE: [WSG] Site check please

Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group,
check our new site for problems please? :)
www.clickfind.com.au 



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RE: [WSG] Site check please

Hmm, seems like the DNS has not delegated yet, it was supposed to redirect
to http://testing.clickfind.com.au:777  

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Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group,
check our new site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au 



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RE: [WSG] Site check please

2007-11-23 Thread David Hucklesby

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:53:13 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:

 Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check 
 our new
 site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au

Without even trying to be obsessive compulsive I can report that
there is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several
of them wrap.

FWIW - I have a high-definition laptop running at the default 120 DPI,
so both Opera and IE's default of 12 point text displays 25% larger
than at 96 DPI.

Cordially,
David
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RE: [WSG] Site check please

2007-11-23 Thread David Hucklesby

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:53:13 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:

 Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check 
 our new
 site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au

Without even trying to be obsessive compulsive I can report that
there is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several
of them wrap.

FWIW - I have a high-definition laptop running at the default 120 DPI,
so both Opera and IE's default of 12 point text displays 25% larger
than at 96 DPI.

Cordially,
David
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Re: [WSG] Site check please

2007-11-23 Thread David Laakso


Taco Fleur wrote:

Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group,
check our new site for problems please? :)
www.clickfind.com.au 

  



It is a little difficult to read. The fonts scale well. The overall look 
is nice. But color on color is sometimes a difficult trick to pull off.


Hozriontal overlap when fonts are scaled on this page:
http://testing.clickfind.com.au:777/browse.cfm

Best,
~dL



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RE: [WSG] Site check please

Thanks.

 It is a little difficult to read. 
Can you elaborate on the above? 

 The fonts scale well. The overall look is nice. But color on color is
sometimes a difficult trick to pull off.

 Hozriontal overlap when fonts are scaled on this page:
http://testing.clickfind.com.au:777/browse.cfm

What's the size of the font, and what screen size?

Cheers



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RE: [WSG] Site check please

2007-11-23 Thread David Hucklesby

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:31:30 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:
 Without even trying to be obsessive compulsive I can report that there
 is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several of them wrap.

 Would you be able to post a link to the form in question?


The link is the one you gave. I did not go further.

Cordially,
David
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Re: [WSG] Site check

2007-11-17 Thread James Jeffery

Usability - Poor

One off the reasons is viewing your web gallery annoyed me. I had to
click through 3 pages to view the gallery and each time the flash too
a while to load.

- There is to much flash on the site that does not need to be there.

- Colors are poor

I could point out alo of things but everyone else has said what i was
going to say.

The site really needs to reflect on what it is you do, and if i was a
potential client i would not be influenced to purchase your services
based on your website.

James

On Nov 17, 2007 7:35 AM, John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I fear for their welfare.
 
  Best,
 
  ~dL
 
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 Me too. Personally I like seeing h1 tags have only text content in
 them, and to at least have text content in them. Hey, are we in a
 timewarp? I have an issue that a lot of the content is inaccurate (eg.
 Ajax isn't a programming language) and lots of the rest is hard to
 use, or feels unfinished, from the Web button that when clicked, does
 nothing but float and return, via the 'web gallery wheel of doom' to
 the Work links' flash of unstyled content (FOUC) which is very
 avoidable.

 Kenny, you've got some fairly big issues with the site. I suggest
 reading a good book, maybe something like 'Designing with Web
 Standards', or alternatively 'Foucault's Pendulum'.

 If you want I can guide you through fixing some of the more obvious
 ones off-list, stuff like the empty (and useless) span/spans in
 the nav. Although XHTML 1.1 valid, a cursory glance at webxact would
 show your site fails some of the basic accessibility standards and
 quality checks.

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Re: [WSG] Site check

2007-11-16 Thread David Laakso


Kenny Graham wrote:

Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group check our new
site for problems please? :)

http://www.trademarkads.com
  




I fear for their welfare.

Best,

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Re: [WSG] Site check

2007-11-16 Thread Tee G. Peng



On Nov 16, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Kenny Graham wrote:

I don't think the grey used nicely; give me an impression that it's  
an advertising firm with very conservative, uncreative image. Content  
area without bg color may looks cleaner.


Home page is the most important real estate for a site, I think it  
presents better if making it to 2 columns floated with 2 rows, so  
that your visitor can see the 4 big buttons without having to scroll  
down to find out what services your firm offers .


Brand | Print
---
Web   | Media

Make it elastic with min/max width support, so user with big screen  
won't see the big empty space on the right, and those who prefer  
viewing at 800px can see what you have now.


I really don't like to have to scroll up so that I can navigate to  
another page.



Lastly, when I click the home button, I see  'about' text  popping up  
on top of about button, this happens to other 3 buttons too.



regards,
tee


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Re: [WSG] Site check

2007-11-16 Thread John Hancock


I fear for their welfare.

Best,

~dL

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Me too. Personally I like seeing h1 tags have only text content in  
them, and to at least have text content in them. Hey, are we in a  
timewarp? I have an issue that a lot of the content is inaccurate (eg.  
Ajax isn't a programming language) and lots of the rest is hard to  
use, or feels unfinished, from the Web button that when clicked, does  
nothing but float and return, via the 'web gallery wheel of doom' to  
the Work links' flash of unstyled content (FOUC) which is very  
avoidable.


Kenny, you've got some fairly big issues with the site. I suggest  
reading a good book, maybe something like 'Designing with Web  
Standards', or alternatively 'Foucault's Pendulum'.


If you want I can guide you through fixing some of the more obvious  
ones off-list, stuff like the empty (and useless) span/spans in  
the nav. Although XHTML 1.1 valid, a cursory glance at webxact would  
show your site fails some of the basic accessibility standards and  
quality checks.


John



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Re: [WSG] Site check requested :: Lecoat

2007-10-31 Thread David Laakso


Rick Lecoat wrote:

I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back,
rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as accessible
as I can. 


http://sandbox.sharkattack.co.uk/novaRebuild/working.html

  



Rick,

It is working far better than when you wrote for a check a week or so ago.

It is, imo, a little daunting to arrive on it at 116.5 dpi-- the font 
start point (at which one might begin to scale the fonts) for the 
content text is very tiny; and, the value contrast a little weak. I am 
not so sure the top links are really necessary as this is a keyboard 
function for most experienced users. And whether the coda information 
should be the same font-size as the content text is yet another matter 
of opinion, as is whether it should be there in the first place (I think 
I'd opt for deleting everything but privacy).


Some IE users, myself among them, run all versions of that browser in 
accessibility mode at text-size largest with font-sizes ignored-- 
your page /may/ wish to accommodate same.


Best,

~dL






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Re: [WSG] Site check requested :: Lecoat

2007-10-31 Thread Rick Lecoat

On 31/10/07 (14:19) David said:

Rick,

It is working far better than when you wrote for a check a week or so ago.

It is, imo, a little daunting to arrive on it at 116.5 dpi-- the font 
start point (at which one might begin to scale the fonts) for the 
content text is very tiny; and, the value contrast a little weak. I am 
not so sure the top links are really necessary as this is a keyboard 
function for most experienced users. And whether the coda information 
should be the same font-size as the content text is yet another matter 
of opinion, as is whether it should be there in the first place (I think 
I'd opt for deleting everything but privacy).

Some IE users, myself among them, run all versions of that browser in 
accessibility mode at text-size largest with font-sizes ignored-- 
your page /may/ wish to accommodate same.

Best,

Thanks for that David.
Plenty of good points, and nothing that I disagree with.

Currently, this is a site that slightly falls between two stools; I'm
updating it away from tables-based layout but since the client hasn't
actually requested any sort of redesign (I'm doing it as a surprise
goodwill gesture), I'm trying to keep the look and feel as close as I
can to the original, even if I no longer consider that 'look' to be
necessarily the best solution.

So type sizes, if I was redesigning from scratch, would indeed be
larger, and some colours might be different. And I wouldn't use a semi-
fixed height design, that's for sure. Certainly, this is not an
accessibility-perfect site, and I fully accept that. It's more of an
exercise for me -- practise, if you like, for someone just getting on
the web standards bus, just learning about elastic layouts, and just
making the jump from GoLive to the world of hand-coded-from-the-ground-up.

I was interested by your comment about the 'top' links; I find them
useful on sites even as a fully-abled mouse-using web user, especially
where there is lots of scrolling going on. But then I've never really
been a big user of the page-down and home/end keys on the keyboard
(techniques that I suspect are possibly more common amongst people who
use word processor software on a regular basis -- just my speculation)
so you may well be right about the redundancy of those links.

I'm going to remove the Access keys I think; since I put them in place
I've read quite a lot of stuff to the effect that they are generally
more trouble than they're worth.

BTW, I don't know when you viewed the site in Explorer, but if it was
between this morning and this afternoon it was in a hell of a state, due
to a change I'd made; I had not realised that Explorer ignores media-
specific @import commands, eg:

@import url(styles.css) screen;

So for much of today the site was looking, well, unstyled in IE. That's
fixed now but I'm not sure how to specify media types when most of my
stylesheets are referenced by @import rules from inside a single
stylesheet called import.css.

If I assign a media type to import.css, will that propogate down to the
stylesheets that are imported within it?

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Re: [WSG] Site check requested :: Lecoat

2007-10-31 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun


Rick Lecoat wrote:
[...] I'm not sure how to specify media types when most of my 
stylesheets are referenced by @import rules from inside a single 
stylesheet called import.css.


You can leave the @import without a media type, and use @media wrappers
around the entire set of relevant styles in each stylesheet...
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/media.html#at-media-rule

I always do it this way, and leave old browsers with unstyled pages in
the process.

You can of course then also use IE/win's @import bug to feed IE/win some
additional styles...
http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_12.html
...in case it needs any, and/or you can use the bug to keep IE/win from
seeing styles that upsets it.

regards
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Re: [WSG] Site check requested :: Lecoat

2007-10-31 Thread David Laakso


Rick Lecoat wrote:

On 31/10/07 (14:19) David said:

  

Rick,

It is working far better than when you wrote for a check a week or so ago.





If I assign a media type to import.css, will that propogate down to the
stylesheets that are imported within it?

  


Rick,

I see Georg Sortun has answered your style sheet import question.

I seem always to skate on thin ice with regard to matters of opinion: I 
would delete the re-set style sheet , giving one rather than two style 
sheets to import.  Target only what needs to be targeted-- less bloat, 
easier maintenance, better learning experience, and more...

But in the end, it is your call. Not mine.

Best,

~dL



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Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread willdonovan


Hi Rick,

I loaded up your page, facinated by your achievement for a semantic 
structure, it looks good, however I'm getting validation errors for the 
DOC type, the img tag and trimming empty on 2 span tags,


Did you get the same?

William



Rick Lecoat wrote:

Hi;

I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back,
rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as accessible
as I can. Currently it's one static page and the links largely don't go
anywhere, but I would appreciate feedback from the list before I proceed
with more pages.

http://sandbox.sharkattack.co.uk/novaRebuild/working.html

It's really my first stab at a semantic markup, fully-CSS, accessible
site; it's also my first ever attempt at an elastic layout, so be merciful.

Many thanks!

  




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Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread Tom Roper


Looks good on my iPod!

Tom



On 30 Oct 2007, at 12:38, willdonovan [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Hi Rick,

I loaded up your page, facinated by your achievement for a semantic  
structure, it looks good, however I'm getting validation errors for  
the DOC type, the img tag and trimming empty on 2 span tags,


Did you get the same?

William



Rick Lecoat wrote:

Hi;

I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back,
rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as  
accessible
as I can. Currently it's one static page and the links largely  
don't go
anywhere, but I would appreciate feedback from the list before I  
proceed

with more pages.

http://sandbox.sharkattack.co.uk/novaRebuild/working.html

It's really my first stab at a semantic markup, fully-CSS, accessible
site; it's also my first ever attempt at an elastic layout, so be  
merciful.


Many thanks!






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Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread JonMarc Wright

Rick,
the site looks good.  visually i would maybe slow down your animated gif a
bit, or include the company name or slogan or something and have it stop
after going through once or maybe looping just a couple of times and fall to
rest on the name/slogan/whatever.  it's a bit fast and i found the constant
movement to be a slight distraction.

just a thought.

looks outstanding for a first effort!

On 10/30/07, willdonovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Rick,

 I loaded up your page, facinated by your achievement for a semantic
 structure, it looks good, however I'm getting validation errors for the
 DOC type, the img tag and trimming empty on 2 span tags,

 Did you get the same?

 William



 Rick Lecoat wrote:
  Hi;
 
  I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back,
  rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as accessible
  as I can. Currently it's one static page and the links largely don't go
  anywhere, but I would appreciate feedback from the list before I proceed
  with more pages.
 
  http://sandbox.sharkattack.co.uk/novaRebuild/working.html
 
  It's really my first stab at a semantic markup, fully-CSS, accessible
  site; it's also my first ever attempt at an elastic layout, so be
 merciful.
 
  Many thanks!
 
 



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Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Lecoat

On 30/10/07 (13:38) willdonovan said:

I loaded up your page, facinated by your achievement for a semantic 
structure

'Fascinated' is one of those worryingly ambiguous terms... ;-)

 it looks good, however I'm getting validation errors for the 
DOC type, the img tag and trimming empty on 2 span tags,

Did you get the same?

Thanks for the check-over William; weirdly I'm not getting those
validation errors, either from Web Developer Toolbar or the W3C
validator itself.
What is particularly odd about that is that I thought that I *did* have
one glitch to fix (brought on by a change made to the page since I
originally posted the URL to the group), but it has apparently
evaporated into the ether. Very odd.

The mystery error was indeed on the img tag, and stemmed from the fact
that I misunderstood how a longdesc attribute works -- I had put regular
text in there like an alt  attribute, whereas I believe that it should
be a URL pointing to a descriptive document. (My description --  a
repetition of the text displayed in the animated gif -- was a few
characters too long for a regular alt text).

The wrongly conceived longdesc is still in place, however, so I don't
know why the validation error has vanished, unless the original error
report was a mistake.

Are you using a different validator to me?
http://tinyurl.com/2y7pnf

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Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Lecoat

On 30/10/07 (14:09) JonMarc said:

Rick,
the site looks good.  visually i would maybe slow down your animated gif a
bit, or include the company name or slogan or something and have it stop
after going through once or maybe looping just a couple of times and fall to
rest on the name/slogan/whatever.  it's a bit fast and i found the constant
movement to be a slight distraction.

just a thought.

And a perfectly good thought, at that.
In this case I'm trying to keep the look and feel of the site as close
as CSS will allow to the existing tables-based version that the client
likes (and has been living with for a couple of years), so I'm leaving
as many elements unchanged as possible, and that will include the gif
speed, at least for now.

Also, the speed of the gif does vary according to the computer it's
being viewed on; high spec machines will let it whizz through its
frames, but on some machines (eg girlfriend's iBook) it crawls past.

looks outstanding for a first effort!

Ah, now THAT just made my day. Thank you.

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Re: [WSG] Site check requested :: Lecoat

2007-10-17 Thread David Laakso


Rick Lecoat wrote:

Hi;

I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back,
rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as accessible
as I can. Currently it's one static page and the links largely don't go
anywhere, but I would appreciate feedback from the list before I proceed
with more pages.

http://sandbox.sharkattack.co.uk/novaRebuild/working.html

It's really my first stab at a semantic markup, fully-CSS, accessible
site; it's also my first ever attempt at an elastic layout, so be merciful.

Many thanks!

  




No offense intended.

Always a good idea to do a little /brutal/ power testing (and most of 
the time, if not all the time, I am not able to live up to my own 
expectations):


Left column float drop IE6.0 text-size largest in accessibility mode 
in IE6.0; and, unusable in IE7.0 text-size largest in accessibility 
mode.
Header and top-navigation disappear under chrome at min font-size 24 in 
Firefox/Mac in a short window.
Some say jump links are not necessary if the primary content is 
followed by the secondary content, is followed by the navigation...


And so on...

Best,

~dL

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RE: [WSG] site check please

2007-06-19 Thread Alex James

 http://www.phillipwrayracing.com

XHTML error - img tag has been opened but not closed  add alt
attributes to those images.

Other than that nice!

Thanks,
Al


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Re: [WSG] site check please

2007-06-19 Thread David Laakso


Jermayn Parker wrote:

just wondering if people can have a quick look at the following website
for any major errors, suggestions etc

http://www.phillipwrayracing.com

  


It is a little slow to load. I regret that font-scaling drops the floats 
and/or breaks the layout.

Best,
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Re: [WSG] site check please

2007-06-19 Thread Tee G. Peng

Hi Jermayn, I notice the left and right columns white background  
colors (or image) are overlapping the 'g-background.jpg'.


You either need to may transparent color for left/right column or if  
background images are used, use nee to  make them narrower or maybe  
add z-index properties.


Small detail that doesn't interfer with website's function but IMHO  
this is what  differential good and best web deisgners :).


Also, the two columns collapse with two fontsize enlarge - this one  
really put me off because I always need to enlarge at least two time  
of fontsize for many sites I visit.


tee


On Jun 18, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Jermayn Parker wrote:


Hi folks,
just wondering if people can have a quick look at the following  
website

for any major errors, suggestions etc

The one thing that has given me major trouble is aligning the columns
the same over browsers (I am sure I have a few gray hairs from  
that), so

unless its horriable wrong, I am not going to worry about it, unless
someone knows a fix.





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Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media

2007-05-24 Thread Marghanita da Cruz


Steve Olive wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:19:46 pm Hassan Schroeder wrote:


Parker, Simi (DPS) wrote:


I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting
service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration
other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would
really appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would particularly
welcome feedback from Macintosh and Linux users.


Unsurprisingly, I get a black screen with '(no video)' message in
the popup on SuSE 10 Linux/Firefox; Konqueror gives me an alert:
  No plugin found for 'Microsoft Media'.
  Do you want to download one from www.microsoft.com?

Total no-go.

HTH!



I get nothing displayed but the file name starting to downlaod/stream in the 
MPlayer plugin for Firefox 2.0.0.3. This is using Ubuntu 7.04 with the 
w32codec package installed, so the file format is the problem on Linux.



Hi Simi,

You might like to explore using an open format for streaming video. 
Proprietary/licensed formats will be a problem for linux - free open 
source software.
OGG plugins are available for Linux and MSWindows and Quicktime - so 
probably also MACs


To find out more about this check out the slides (including links and 
sample clips) at

http://www.ramin.com.au/linux/acs-os-sig.html

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Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media

2007-05-23 Thread Steve Olive

On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:19:46 pm Hassan Schroeder wrote:
 Parker, Simi (DPS) wrote:
  I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting
  service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration
  other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would
  really appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would particularly
  welcome feedback from Macintosh and Linux users.

 Unsurprisingly, I get a black screen with '(no video)' message in
 the popup on SuSE 10 Linux/Firefox; Konqueror gives me an alert:
No plugin found for 'Microsoft Media'.
Do you want to download one from www.microsoft.com?

 Total no-go.

 HTH!

I get nothing displayed but the file name starting to downlaod/stream in the 
MPlayer plugin for Firefox 2.0.0.3. This is using Ubuntu 7.04 with the 
w32codec package installed, so the file format is the problem on Linux.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media

2007-05-22 Thread kevin mcmonagle


Parker, Simi (DPS) wrote:

Hi everyone
 
I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting 
service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration 
other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would 
really appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would 
particularly welcome feedback from Macintosh and Linux users.

..
Checked it out on 0Sx10.4.9 on an intel mac. using Firefox 2
Basically Ditto to the first reply. I followed the missing plug-in 
button from the pop up window and got the download page on the flip for 
mac site. I downloaded it and then went back-the content played fine 
through quicktime.  When i clicked on the play in windows media player 
  a new tab opened within the popup window with another instance of the 
video in quictime except without the description at the bottom-that was 
anoying. So that link might need to removed-dont know.




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Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media

2007-05-22 Thread Lindsay Evans


On 5/22/07, Parker, Simi (DPS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting service
and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration other than
Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would really
appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would particularly welcome
feedback from Macintosh and Linux users.


Hi Simi,

On the Mac side I don't have anything to add over Nick's observations
(using Safari 2 with Flip4Mac aswell)

On Firefox 2, Windows XP I dont get any media player controls for the
video. Can give you more details tomorrow if you want.

Otherwise (and I hope you're still working on these :p) - the
Conditions of Access page showing up every time I try to access a
stream is pretty annoying, and unnecessary from my knowledge.
Also opening the stream in a new window without warning is a bit annoying.

Oh, and displaying the stream information in a textarea seems like a
bad idea to me.

Otherwise it looks like a very useful service :)

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Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media

2007-05-22 Thread Hassan Schroeder

Parker, Simi (DPS) wrote:

 I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting
 service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration
 other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media player, I would
 really appreciate your feedback and/or assistance. I would particularly
 welcome feedback from Macintosh and Linux users.

Unsurprisingly, I get a black screen with '(no video)' message in
the popup on SuSE 10 Linux/Firefox; Konqueror gives me an alert:
   No plugin found for 'Microsoft Media'.
   Do you want to download one from www.microsoft.com?

Total no-go.

HTH!
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Re: [WSG] Site Check - Streaming Media

2007-05-21 Thread Nick Fitzsimons


On 22 May 2007, at 02:31:29, Parker, Simi ((DPS)) wrote:


Hi everyone

I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting  
service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player  
configuration other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows  
Media player, I would really appreciate your feedback and/or  
assistance. I would particularly welcome feedback from Macintosh  
and Linux users.


The live broadcasting service is streamed from: http:// 
webcast.aph.gov.au/livebroadcasting/  The House is sitting for the  
next fortnight so there should be something for you to have a look at.


I would like to know if you are able to see or not see the media  
being streamed and the configuration of software you are using eg:  
Mac OX, Safari and QuickTime.


Hi Simi,

Am I right in believing that this content is being streamed in  
Microsoft's proprietary WMV format? (No, I'm not going to go off on a  
rant about using proprietary technologies for information that should  
be freely available to all - well, not this time :-)


Anyway, I'm using Mac OS X 10.4.9 (the latest version, fully updated)  
on an Intel MacBook, and I've installed Flip4Mac, as suggested on  
Microsoft's own site:
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/otherproducts/otherproducts.aspx? 
pid=windowsmedia


Flip4Mac has one major advantage over Microsoft's own Windows Media  
Player for Mac: it actually plays Windows Media content, which  
Windows Media Player for Mac has never managed to do so much as once,  
either on this machine or on my old-but-good PowerMac G4.


I've checked using Safari 2.0.4 (419.3) and Firefox 1.5.0.11, both  
with full popup blocking configured (the browser's own, not any  
extensions). Both of them successfully opened up the media window  
when I clicked the Accept button on the Conditions of Access  
page, initialised the Flip4Mac plugin, and played the content (which,  
being the proceedings of some standing committee or other, was  
unremittingly tedious :-)


Note that I haven't tested this on the PowerMac (non-Intel processor)  
- I reformatted that a while ago, and don't install fripperies like  
media players on it now as I use it as a development server. However,  
I seem to recall successfully using Flip4Mac there too some time in  
the past. Maybe others can give more detailed feedback on using it on  
PowerPC architectures.


So if you need to suggest options to Mac users for ways to view the  
content, you should probably recommend installing Flip4Mac - or maybe  
give them the Microsoft link above, as recommending specific software  
appears to be regarded with fear and loathing by governmental bodies  
fearful of lawsuits (although they don't appear to have the same  
worries over recommending dangerous rubbish like Microsoft's browser  
for Windows...)


Hope this helps,

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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-16 Thread Kepler Gelotte

Hi Taco,

I would suggest using a percentage to size the text in the yellow band
instead of smaller since IE has a different idea of what smaller is
compared to Firefox:

p span.smaller {
font-size: 80%;
}

I would also suggest using em sizing. The height of the yellow band would
then resize along with the text:

#frm_s {
position: absolute;
top: 41px;
width: 100%;
height: 3em;
border-top: 1px solid #fff;
background-color: #fc0;
background: url(/_resource/image/mn_shadow.gif) #fc0 bottom
no-repeat;
}

Basically anything you want to resize when he font size is changed can be
sized using ems. At font-size: 100%, 1em = 16px. At font-size: 62.5%, 1em =
10px.

I would also suggest having the second row of divs (box1, box2, box3)
contained within the divs sellstuff, buystuff, mystuff and position them at
the bottom. 

Regards,
Kepler

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Hi Felix thanks for the effort.

A solution to the problem would be great as well ;-) Min-height doesn't work
in all browsers which would be the best solution I guess.

Any ideas on why the purple background while it should be white, or is that
just your screenshot?

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[I have a minimum font size set to prevent eyestrain.]

On 2007/05/16 12:51 (GMT+1000) Taco Fleur apparently typed:

 Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

 http://web-strategists.com:888

I like it a lot above the yellow, but I don't like 3.5 word line lengths at
all. An unset background color and links half hiding behind other things are
unimpressive as well. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/tacofl2.jpg
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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-16 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun


Taco Fleur wrote:

http://web-strategists.com:888


Could do with suitable 'min-width' and 'max-width'.

Not well prepared for regular 'minimum font size', or even for 'font
resizing' in IE/win.

Also, I get the off-screen text for the click here to start selling
in at the left side on really wide windows.

regards
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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-16 Thread Ben Dodson


http://web-strategists.com:888


You've got a transparent background-color set somewhere as all of the
white space on the sides of the content and under the footer is
currently browser default (mine is set to pink so I can see sites that
aren't defining background-colors!).  This prob isn't much of a
problem but everyone should be aware that people might have changed
their browser default and it'll make your site look bad.

Nice site though :-)

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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-16 Thread kevin mcmonagle



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Yes I agree a min width would be good, if not maybe look into png 
transparency for the floating logo.


http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/png_overlay_with_no_extra_markup.asp


-best
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RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-16 Thread Taco Fleur

Thanks for your response, however,
 I wish I understood what you both meant by this, but I don't.
Min max width where/how?

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http://web-strategists.com:888

Yes I agree a min width would be good, if not maybe look into png
transparency for the floating logo.

http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/png_overlay_with_no_extra_markup.asp


-best
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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-15 Thread Taco Fleur

 
Thanks.

How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its
already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-)

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM
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Taco,

Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:

The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not
expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes the
bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one
image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place
background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without
breaking said shadow.

That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 does the
same thing FYI:

http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif

*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design  Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com



Taco Fleur wrote:
 For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, 
 even though I created a new message from scratch.

 Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

 http://web-strategists.com:888

 Thanks in advance...

 Taco Fleur
 www.pacificfox.com.au website design





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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-15 Thread Taco Fleur

 
May I add that your suggestion would work.

However we'd have to deal with other issues like the new white space (bottom
of yellow to white gradient) that would appear from the font-increase etc.

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM
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Taco,

Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:

The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not
expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes the
bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one
image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place
background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without
breaking said shadow.

That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 does the
same thing FYI:

http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif

*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design  Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com



Taco Fleur wrote:
 For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, 
 even though I created a new message from scratch.

 Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

 http://web-strategists.com:888

 Thanks in advance...

 Taco Fleur
 www.pacificfox.com.au website design





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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-15 Thread Felix Miata

[I have a minimum font size set to prevent eyestrain.]

On 2007/05/16 12:51 (GMT+1000) Taco Fleur apparently typed:

 Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

 http://web-strategists.com:888

I like it a lot above the yellow, but I don't like 3.5 word line lengths at
all. An unset background color and links half hiding behind other things are
unimpressive as well. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/tacofl2.jpg
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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-15 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor


Taco,

Don't worry, I'm not one of these nuts who blows up the text to 1200% or 
anything.  I make my largest benchmark the largest setting on IE which 
is the about the equivalent to 2 sizes up on Firefox.


No, its not the end of the world by any means, but you know what happens 
when you ask for a site check around here.


*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design  Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com



Taco Fleur wrote:
 
Thanks.


How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its
already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-)

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Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

Taco,

Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:

The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not
expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes the
bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one
image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place
background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without
breaking said shadow.

That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 does the
same thing FYI:

http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif

*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design  Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com



Taco Fleur wrote:
  
For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, 
even though I created a new message from scratch.


Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

http://web-strategists.com:888

Thanks in advance...

Taco Fleur
www.pacificfox.com.au website design





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RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

2007-05-15 Thread Taco Fleur

No, its perfectly fine, its exactly what I was asking for.

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Taco,

Don't worry, I'm not one of these nuts who blows up the text to 1200% or
anything.  I make my largest benchmark the largest setting on IE which is
the about the equivalent to 2 sizes up on Firefox.

No, its not the end of the world by any means, but you know what happens
when you ask for a site check around here.

*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
Sites by Joe, LLC
/Custom Web Design  Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com

Taco Fleur wrote:

 Thanks.

 How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, 
 as its already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor
 Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread

 Taco,

 Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix:

 The yellow bar.  As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does 
 not expand with it.  The content instead eventually hides as it passes 
 the bottom of the bar.  If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it 
 are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a 
 top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can 
 expand without breaking said shadow.

 That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6.  Firefox 2 
 does the same thing FYI:

 http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif

 *Joseph R. B. Taylor*
 Sites by Joe, LLC
 /Custom Web Design  Development/
 Phone: (609) 335-3076
 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com

 Taco Fleur wrote:

 For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, 
 even though I created a new message from scratch.

 Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?

 http://web-strategists.com:888

 Thanks in advance...

 Taco Fleur
 www.pacificfox.com.au website design

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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-25 Thread Bob Schwartz


Stuart,

I did as you suggested.

I now have another bi-lingual site to do and was wondering if there  
is a way to mark up for languages (Italian/English) something like:


linome/name/li

span class perhaps? Seems like it would add a lot of bytes to the page.

The declared language on the document will be Italian, as most of the  
text will be in that language.



1.
You can use the lang attribute,
div id=logoh1 lang=fr




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I ran my style sheets through the w3 validator and in the style sheet  
that comes with ThickBox I got the following errors.


They seem to me to be CSS hacks that the author has used to solve  
problems with different browsers.


Should I leave them, or fix them?

#TB_overlay
Parse Error - opacity=60)

#TB_overlay
Property -moz-opacity doesn't exist : 0.6

#TB_overlay
Property opacity doesn't exist : 0.6

#TB_HideSelect
Parse Error - opacity=0)

#TB_HideSelect
Property -moz-opacity doesn't exist : 0

#TB_HideSelect
Property opacity doesn't exist : 0

#TB_iframeContent
Property _margin-bottom doesn't exist : 1px



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In my primary style sheet I got 29 warnings like this:

Same colors for color and background-color in two contexts .month and h5

As there are no h5's with a .month class anywhere in the site, I  
would assume I can just ignore these types of warnings, but it bugs  
me that the style sheet does not validate cleanly just the same.



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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time


 Kenny,


Your cites should probably not be in their own paragraphs if the cite
can be styled directly.


I took the cites out of the paragraphs and the page did not pass w3  
validation, I put them back in and it did.


Bob


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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time


Philip,

It looks like the site may have problems displaying at widths of  
less than
1000px in Opera 9 and Firefox.  The backgrounds don't stay within  
the three
columns properly, leaving some text unreadable.  Probably an issue  
with div
positioning, and the box model since the problem doesn't seem to  
show up in

IE -- which is what you presumably used to test the positioning.


Got a fix? It's the body background (faux column)image that is  
shifting in FF.



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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

2007-03-21 Thread Stuart Foulstone

Hi,

Since Bob was effectively asking for a peer review of his web design prior
to publication, I would have thought this was an entirely legitimate use
of this forum.

We can all learn new techniques from each other as part of this process,
with the result that we all increase the quality of our Web design and
promote Web standards.

With appologies to those who know it all already. of course.


Stuart



On Wed, March 21, 2007 7:54 am, Mike Brown wrote:
 Bob Schwartz wrote:

 Lots and lots and lots of emails about his site! There were 6 I just
 received  within a 30 min period, another 5 within 30 mins this morning
 ... :(

 Bearing in mind that there's over 2000 people on the list, and that
 there's already a lot of list traffic, and that all of these emails are
 asking people for help on a site you're building, is it not possible to:

 - reply off list to people
 - send one big email
 - try a little harder to work things out

 Whilst we want an environment that's welcoming to people as they learn, do
 bear in mind that every email you send goes to everyone on the list, and
 maybe just consider if they're all necessary.

 Mike
 - writing purely in a personal capacity and not as a list core member






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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time


Stuart,

Your menu has links with the same anchor text but different  
destinations -

introduction, current and members.  When you can see the menu
structure the context is obvious but when using a screen reader  
this can

be confusing.


OK. I've fixed them all but one and I'm at a loss to how to fix it.

Dreamweaver is complaining that I am using this more than once to  
point to different URL's


div id=rsshra href=http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml;img  
src=../../as/im/xml.gif id=xml alt=RSS Feed title=FIFe RSS  
feed width=72 height=15/ahr/div


The only other use of this URL is in the head:

link rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml title=FIFe Feed  
href=http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml;


and on the page where I explain RSS:

pa href=http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml;http:// 
www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml/anbsp;nbsp;nbsp;a href=http:// 
www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xmlimg src=../../as/im/xml.gif  
id=xmlfeed alt=RSS Feed title=FIFe RSS feed width=72  
height=15/a/p


Any thoughts?

Bob


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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-21 Thread Stuart Foulstone

Hi,

I think Dreamweaver is complaining about using the same link text to point
to different URLs not the other way round (It is OK to use different link
text to point to the same URL).

In your menu you have:

lia href=../rss/rss.html title=The FIFe RSS feed keeps you
informed.rss feed/a/li

Below you have another link to a different URL
(http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml)
which has an image with replacement link text alt=RSS Feed.

So, without images, one link text is rss feed the other RSS Feed which
are both the same to a screenreader.

yours,

Stuart




On Wed, March 21, 2007 11:13 am, Bob Schwartz wrote:

 Dreamweaver is complaining that I am using this more than once to
 point to different URL's

 div id=rsshra href=http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml;img
 src=../../as/im/xml.gif id=xml alt=RSS Feed title=FIFe RSS
 feed width=72 height=15/ahr/div

 The only other use of this URL is in the head:

 link rel=alternate type=application/rss+xml title=FIFe Feed
 href=http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml;

 and on the page where I explain RSS:

 pa href=http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml;http://
 www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml/anbsp;nbsp;nbsp;a href=http://
 www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xmlimg src=../../as/im/xml.gif
 id=xmlfeed alt=RSS Feed title=FIFe RSS feed width=72
 height=15/a/p

 Any thoughts?

 Bob


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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

2007-03-21 Thread BKDesign Solutions

The below sounds like a good way to discourage using this list.

Bruce P
bkdesign
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

Bob Schwartz wrote:

Lots and lots and lots of emails about his site! There were 6 I just
received  within a 30 min period, another 5 within 30 mins this morning
... :(

Bearing in mind that there's over 2000 people on the list, and that
there's already a lot of list traffic, and that all of these emails are
asking people for help on a site you're building, is it not possible to:

- reply off list to people
- send one big email
- try a little harder to work things out

Whilst we want an environment that's welcoming to people as they learn, do
bear in mind that every email you send goes to everyone on the list, and
maybe just consider if they're all necessary.

Mike
- writing purely in a personal capacity and not as a list core member

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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-21 Thread BKDesign Solutions


From: Bob Schwartz

OK. I've fixed them all but one and I'm at a loss to how to fix it.

Dreamweaver is complaining that I am using this more than once to  
point to different URL's


Any thoughts?

Bob


Get rid of dreamweaver? ;)

Bruce P
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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

2007-03-21 Thread Dennis Lapcewich

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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

You should also perhaps markup your logo H1 content as a change  
from the

declared natural language of the page (English).


Thanks for you tips Stuart:

1. How do I do that?
2.I'm curious as to why you  think it is necessary - it is the name  
of the association - I doubt if Danone or Armani marks their names up  
as French or Italian on their English sites.




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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time


Thanks Lyn,

During the planning for the site re-do we relied pretty heavily on a  
year's worth of visitor stats in making decisions.


One of the things our stats showed us was the very low percentage of  
800 x 600 and below visitors we had, plus people were complaining  
that the site was looking too small, so we bumped it up.


There was some discussion about keeping a lower res version, but the  
client ruled it out.



Bob - I was wondering about the width of the #wrappers- 980px/960px  
which causes horizontal scrolling if viewed on a smaller screen  
resolution such as 800 x 600.  I have always tried to avoid  
horizontal scolling sometimes with great difficulty - does it not  
matter so much now that many people are using higher screen  
resolutions?




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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-20 Thread Lyn Patterson



During the planning for the site re-do we relied pretty heavily on a 
year's worth of visitor stats in making decisions.


One of the things our stats showed us was the very low percentage of 
800 x 600 and below visitors we had, plus people were complaining that 
the site was looking too small, so we bumped it up.


There was some discussion about keeping a lower res version, but the 
client ruled it out.

Thanks Bob - that's very interesting. Love the main page image!

Lyn
Western Web Design
www.westernwebdesign.com.au



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Thanks Kenny,


I would appreciate it if
you guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices


Most/every page has two h1's, and there should only be one per page.
Ideally, you should keep the h1 for the page title, but not for the
site title.


I've fixed these (not yet uploaded to test server).


Your cites should probably not be in their own paragraphs if the cite
can be styled directly.


I've fixed these, too (not yet uploaded to test server) though I  
can't seem to get the exact styling (align-right) I want to work  
using css - the font-size does work, though. They look OK aligned left.



Other than that, looks great.


Thank you.



Some may also say that having a splash screen page (a page with no
other navigation other than enter) is a bad practice, but I think
that's more a matter of personal preference.


I like it, the client likes it :-}

Olly Hodgson pointed out (here) that I should put links to the major  
sections of the site on it though, some I am studying a way to do that


Best,

Bob


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 Nick,

As no screenreaders read title attributes by default (and no  
screenreader user ever changes the default setting, apparently) you  
aren't really deriving any benefit (at least in accessibility  
terms) from the title attributes, so they might as well go.


They were originally put there when I took over the site several  
years ago as a means of letting people know what  was where in the  
completely re-done site navigation.


I suppose they have out lived their usefulness, so will go.

Thanks for the tip.

Bob




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Stuart,

Your menu has links with the same anchor text but different  
destinations -

introduction, current and members.  When you can see the menu
structure the context is obvious but when using a screen reader  
this can


This is a real head-scratcher.

I'm having trouble finding other words that fit the space. but keep  
the meaning.


I'll work on it.

Thanks,

Bob


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Rob,

The navigation is dependent on javascript for the flyouts which not  
only
do the flyouts cease to work when js is turned off they also become  
dead

links leaving only a partial working menu.


What browser - OS are you using?

In everything I've checked it in, the links are not dead with  
javascript turned off.


They do cease to work as flyouts, but instead  line up nicely one  
under the other.


Bob


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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

2007-03-20 Thread Jorge Laranjo


meta name=author content=Penny Bydlinski  Bob Schwartz /

The '' should be escaped as amp;

You can see that you've only got one 'warning' and that's it! http:// 
tinyurl.com/2m4pey




Em 2007/03/20, às 18:46, Bob Schwartz escreveu:

In the test site I put up the other day for scrutiny http:/// 
www.fotografics.it/fife/


I have discovered a funny one with IE 6

If you go to organization ---commissions--- any commission except  
show


you should see an image beside the list of names.

The image is attached as a background to the div holding the names

(try with FF)

on IE 6 they are not showing up.

Is there some hack I should know about, but don't?

Bob



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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

2007-03-20 Thread Jorge Laranjo

An try to use http://www.sidar.org/hera/ (you can choose you're  
language) to check your site
And you're site has 1 error for the Priority 3: Keyboard shortcuts:  
No keyboard shortcuts provided.



Em 2007/03/20, às 18:46, Bob Schwartz escreveu:

In the test site I put up the other day for scrutiny http:/// 
www.fotografics.it/fife/


I have discovered a funny one with IE 6

If you go to organization ---commissions--- any commission except  
show


you should see an image beside the list of names.

The image is attached as a background to the div holding the names

(try with FF)

on IE 6 they are not showing up.

Is there some hack I should know about, but don't?

Bob



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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-20 Thread Stuart Foulstone


On Tue, March 20, 2007 11:56 am, Bob Schwartz wrote:
 You should also perhaps markup your logo H1 content as a change
 from the
 declared natural language of the page (English).

 Thanks for you tips Stuart:

 1. How do I do that?
 2.I'm curious as to why you  think it is necessary - it is the name
 of the association - I doubt if Danone or Armani marks their names up
 as French or Italian on their English sites.



I did say perhaps.

1.
You can use the lang attribute,
div id=logoh1 lang=fr

2.
The idea is that speech synthesizers will pronouce it correctly and 
braille generators will be able to substitute the appropriate control
codes.


I was thinking more in terms of Web standards, rather than the standards
of other Websites (Danone - 260 coding errors errors on home page; Armani
- Flash!)


Stuart

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OK, you convinced me.

Your reason for doing so is far more valid than my lame reasoning  
with the Danone and Armani examples.


Thanks.



On Tue, March 20, 2007 11:56 am, Bob Schwartz wrote:

You should also perhaps markup your logo H1 content as a change
from the
declared natural language of the page (English).


Thanks for you tips Stuart:

1. How do I do that?
2.I'm curious as to why you  think it is necessary - it is the name
of the association - I doubt if Danone or Armani marks their names up
as French or Italian on their English sites.




I did say perhaps.

1.
You can use the lang attribute,
div id=logoh1 lang=fr

2.
The idea is that speech synthesizers will pronouce it correctly and
braille generators will be able to substitute the appropriate control
codes.


I was thinking more in terms of Web standards, rather than the  
standards
of other Websites (Danone - 260 coding errors errors on home page;  
Armani

- Flash!)


Stuart




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2007-03-19 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor


Looks pretty strong.

*Joseph R. B. Taylor*
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/Custom Web Design  Development/
Phone: (609) 335-3076
www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com



Bob Schwartz wrote:

The test site at

http://www.fotografics.it/fife/

has been refurbished to make it more standards compliant,

before moving on to the accessibility layer I would appreciate it if 
you guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices


Thanks,

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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-19 Thread Kenny Graham


I would appreciate it if
you guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices


Most/every page has two h1's, and there should only be one per page.
Ideally, you should keep the h1 for the page title, but not for the
site title.

Your cites should probably not be in their own paragraphs if the cite
can be styled directly.

Other than that, looks great.

Some may also say that having a splash screen page (a page with no
other navigation other than enter) is a bad practice, but I think
that's more a matter of personal preference.


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2007-03-19 Thread Nick Fitzsimons


On 19 Mar 2007, at 14:42:38, Bob Schwartz wrote:


The test site at

http://www.fotografics.it/fife/

has been refurbished to make it more standards compliant,

before moving on to the accessibility layer I would appreciate it  
if you guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices


One thing I notice is that the links in the navigation have title  
attributes which, when they appear as a tooltip, obscure the contents  
of the submenus and of the menu items further down the page (I've  
looked in Safari and Firefox, BTW).


Of course, when you move off the link the tooltip vanishes, but it  
reminded me of something that one of the speakers (I believe it was  
Anne McMeekin of the Royal National Institute for the Blind)  
mentioned at the WSG London Accessibility meetup a couple of weeks  
ago: a partially-sighted user might well have a screen magnification  
of as much as 32 times normal (or more), and the appearance of a big  
yellow tooltip box obscuring the actual content is usually a major  
hindrance to them.


In this case, such a user might not even notice that a submenu (which  
could be partially off the right of their screen) had appeared, nor  
would they be able to scan down the main menu until the tooltip  
finally disappeared.


As no screenreaders read title attributes by default (and no  
screenreader user ever changes the default setting, apparently) you  
aren't really deriving any benefit (at least in accessibility terms)  
from the title attributes, so they might as well go.


Generally though I think it looks extremely good :-)

Cheers,

Nick.

(Apologies if I've misrepresented what was said at the WSG meetup,  
but I believe I've remembered it correctly :-)

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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-19 Thread Olly Hodgson


On 3/19/07, Kenny Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Some may also say that having a splash screen page (a page with no
other navigation other than enter) is a bad practice, but I think
that's more a matter of personal preference.


Personally, I'd have links to the major sections of the site, rather
that one small insignificant link at the bottom of the page. A
screen-reader user would have to trawl through the whole screen before
they could get into the meat of the site, which doesn't seem ideal.

On a non-accessibility tip, the header graphic appears to have quite
significant JPEG artifacts on my screen (they show up more on the
Macbook for some reason).  Also, the sub-menus on the left-hand
navigation appear, then grow slightly in size (in both Safari and
Camino on MacOSX). I'm not sure if that's intentional or not, but it's
a bit distracting.

Cheers,


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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-19 Thread Stuart Foulstone

Hi,

From an WAI accessibility point of view:

Your menu has links with the same anchor text but different destinations -
introduction, current and members.  When you can see the menu
structure the context is obvious but when using a screen reader this can
be confusing.

You should also perhaps markup your logo H1 content as a change from the
declared natural language of the page (English).

Stuart

On Mon, March 19, 2007 2:42 pm, Bob Schwartz wrote:
 The test site at

 http://www.fotografics.it/fife/

 has been refurbished to make it more standards compliant,

 before moving on to the accessibility layer I would appreciate it
 if you guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices

 Thanks,

 bob



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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-19 Thread Rob Unsworth

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Bob Schwartz wrote:

 The test site at
 
 http://www.fotografics.it/fife/
 
 has been refurbished to make it more standards compliant,
 
 before moving on to the accessibility layer I would appreciate it if you
 guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices

Bob, 

The navigation is dependent on javascript for the flyouts which not only 
do the flyouts cease to work when js is turned off they also become dead 
links leaving only a partial working menu.

This would be very confusing for a screen reader user.



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RE: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-19 Thread Philip Kiff

Bob Schwartz wrote:
 The test site at
 http://www.fotografics.it/fife/
 has been refurbished [...] I would appreciate it
 if you guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices

It looks like the site may have problems displaying at widths of less than
1000px in Opera 9 and Firefox.  The backgrounds don't stay within the three
columns properly, leaving some text unreadable.  Probably an issue with div
positioning, and the box model since the problem doesn't seem to show up in
IE -- which is what you presumably used to test the positioning.

Phil.



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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

2007-03-19 Thread Lyn Patterson

Bob - I was wondering about the width of the #wrappers- 980px/960px 
which causes horizontal scrolling if viewed on a smaller screen 
resolution such as 800 x 600.  I have always tried to avoid horizontal 
scolling sometimes with great difficulty - does it not matter so much 
now that many people are using higher screen resolutions?


Lyn
Western Web Design
www.westernwebdesign.com.au
  

The test site at

http://www.fotografics.it/fife/

has been refurbished to make it more standards compliant,

before moving on to the accessibility layer I would appreciate it if you
guys could check it out for any errors or wrong practices





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Re: [WSG] Site Check: lagunadesigns.com.au

2007-03-07 Thread Ben Dodson


Hey Dylan,

Great job on the site - it looks really good!  I particularly like the way
you've added click to return home on your logo, a really nice touch.

Only criticism I would say is not to do with the standards or anything, but
I'd give a rough idea of how long it takes you to build each type of website
(e..g personal - 3-5 days, etc)

Anyway, nice site!

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Re: [WSG] Site Check: lagunadesigns.com.au

2007-03-07 Thread ~davidLaakso


Dylan Lindgren wrote:
If I could get you guys to have a look at the website 
www.lagunadesigns.com.au it would be greatly appreciated.


Dylan Lindgren

Dylan,

I think you are off to a good start. The w3c markup validation service 
will point to the same few errors on all pages. It is important to 
resolve them. And with a little care, your page will handle font-scaling 
better.

The site needs correction for IE6, if that browser is important to you.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check: lagunadesigns.com.au

2007-03-07 Thread Dylan Lindgren


Sorry, all the pages were validating correctly half a week ago, but I made a
few changes since then. I've fixed this up, and all the pages now validate
to XHTML strict.

I will have a look at the text scaling and IE6 issue.

Thanks for your help guys.

d.

On 3/7/07, ~davidLaakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Dylan Lindgren wrote:
 If I could get you guys to have a look at the website
 www.lagunadesigns.com.au it would be greatly appreciated.

 Dylan Lindgren
Dylan,

I think you are off to a good start. The w3c markup validation service
will point to the same few errors on all pages. It is important to
resolve them. And with a little care, your page will handle font-scaling
better.
The site needs correction for IE6, if that browser is important to you.

Best,

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Re: [WSG] Site Check: lagunadesigns.com.au

2007-03-07 Thread Christian Montoya


On 3/7/07, Dylan Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi guys,


...


If I could get you guys to have a look at the website
www.lagunadesigns.com.au it would be greatly appreciated. I am going to list
this on Google AdWords under a few keywords once I'm completely happy with
it. I tried to go for a web 2.0 style look.

Thanks for your help,
Dylan Lindgren
Laguna Designs
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www.lagunadesigns.com.au


The design, markup etc. is great. I just have a couple suggestions on the copy.

I wouldn't say accessible price, but rather affordable price.

In the features table, you have:

# Graphically appealing
# Highly customizable
# User friendly
# Standards based

repeated for all site plans. I wouldn't repeat these things for every
single plan, but rather have  a way of saying, outside the table, that
all site plans are w,x,y,z. Then it would be easier for people to see
which features are different between the site plans.

Finally, it seems like some of the links in the portfolio are out of date.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-04 Thread Irina Ahrens

1. Text of validation errors sometimes overlaps 'error' icon2. When email address and confirm email address fields have invalid entries, error should be 'enter valid email format', not 'values must match'.3. If edentiti is targeting Australian market, I would validate state and postcode as well.
4. Regarding 'Add additional address/email/phone' buttons: 4.1 When clicked, error messages dissappear, only error icons are left. 4.2 Do you really need a postback? 4.3 These buttons make the page too 'heavy'. I would make them looking like your 'Cancel' link. Also, I would not put arrow on them. Arrow makes sense when you move between the pages, like 'Back' and 'Next'. For 'Add address, etc.', it does not make sense because you are staying on the same page.
4.4. If you have 'Add' button, I suggest to have 'Remove' as well. Example, GMail Contacts5. I would not use button graphic to show 'creating edentiti progress'. visitor is used that buttons can be clicked. When click does not produce any result it is a bit frustrating.
6. It is more common to use red * or red tick to show which fields are required. Cheers, Irina.On 3/3/06, Lachlan Hunt
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months, called Edentiti [1], has just officially launched and I wantedto get some feedback about the usability, accessibility and overfunctionality in whatever browsers you can get your hands on.I'vetested in various Windows and Mac browsers during development, but as is
always the case, bugs tend to sneak in wherever they can and somethingmay have been missed.(I know there are bugs in IE7, but I'd rather wait till MS actuallyrelease something that isn't a joke like both betas 1 and 2 were before
I bother testing/fixing with it - the one to be released after Mix '06looks slightly more promising)For all you DOM Scripting fans, if you go to step 2 of the Create anEdentiti section, there's a funky form validation script you might want
to check out.http://edentiti.com/create/ (click next, to get to step 2)[1] http://edentiti.com/PS. I know the markup is currently XHTML and I'm aware how much of a
hypocrite that makes me :-), but, given the time constraints, it was alimitation of the back end solution we had to accept, with plans toconvert it to HTML4 later on.--Lachlan Hunt
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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-04 Thread Steve Ferguson

A quick scan with WebLight turned up a few problems, see the report  
at http://www.illumit.com/reports/edentiti.html


The problem found on https://edentiti.com/about-partners has me baffled.

Here's the source:
Epicorp - a href=http://www.epicorp.com.au/www.epicorp.com.au// 
a/p

pimg src=/images/epicorp.jpg alt=Epicorp //p

It's missing a quote at the end of the href so the img and the link  
don't work.


The baffling part is. It validates!

Check out http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=https%3A%2F%2Fedentiti.com 
%2Fabout-partnerscharset=%28detect+automatically% 
29doctype=Inlinesp=1verbose=1


If you search for epicorp you can see the mangled href and srcless img.

Can anyone explain to me why the validator isn't flagging the  in  
the href?


Thanks,
Steve Ferguson - WebLight Developer http://www.illumit.com/weblight

On Mar 2, 2006, at 7:31 AM, Lachlan Hunt wrote:


Hi Everyone,
  A new site I recently developed the front-end for over the past  
few months, called Edentiti [1], has just officially launched and I  
wanted to get some feedback about the usability, accessibility and  
over functionality in whatever browsers you can get your hands on.   
I've tested in various Windows and Mac browsers during development,  
but as is always the case, bugs tend to sneak in wherever they can  
and something may have been missed.





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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-03 Thread Drew Trusz

On 3/2/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Everyone,
A new site I recently developed the front-end for over the past few
 months, called Edentiti [1], has just officially launched and I wanted
 to get some feedback about the usability, accessibility and over
 functionality in whatever browsers you can get your hands on.  I've
 tested in various Windows and Mac browsers during development, but as is
 always the case, bugs tend to sneak in wherever they can and something
 may have been missed.


Leaving aside all of the technical issues, the site is innocuous
without being understated. But since that is what they want -- good
job.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-02 Thread Rob Mientjes

On 02/03/06, Rob Mientjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Looks good, everything works. Just not sure about the logo and left
 chunk of site. Why is that below the header bar? Is that just Safari
 or was it a conscious decision? Please do explain.

Of course it was conscious, but I still don't get it. It's not
consistent enough for my tastes. What's the reasoning behind it?

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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-02 Thread Tom Livingston




On 3/2/06 10:31 AM, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [1] http://edentiti.com/

Took _minutes_ for the home page to display, and once it did, it still
wasn't finished loading things.

Mac OS 10.4.5 Safari 2.0.3

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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com


Hopkins Programming wrote:

Why must I have javascript enabled for the site to be styled?


Um... You don't need to, although IE users without script enabled with 
have a slightly degraded style (not totally unstyled) due to Dead 
Edwards' IE7 script not working.


Which browser are you testing with?  I couldn't replicate this issue at all.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com


Rob Mientjes wrote:

On 02/03/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Everyone,
   A new site I recently developed the front-end for over the past few
months, called Edentiti [1], has just officially launched and I wanted
to get some feedback...


Looks good, everything works. Just not sure about the logo and left
chunk of site. Why is that below the header bar?


It was decided by the designer and management that they wanted the logo 
on the homepage to be slightly larger and more prominent as a branding 
exercise, but to then move it up to the header, out of the way for all 
the sub pages.



Is that just Safari or was it a conscious decision?


Concious decision, all browsers.


Also, a typo on the about page says About Edentit—think of all the
children that will grin gleefully.


Couldn't find that typo anywhere.  Which page?  Give the URI.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-02 Thread Kim Kruse


Hi Lachlan,

Just a design opinion...

The main area (#main) looks a little squeezed between the rather heavy 
right and left sides. Maybe make the h2 bigger and make the intro below  
strong. (It is, but double strong!!... I don't know if that's why it 
doesn't come up as strong on my screen (W2K/FF 1.5). Also the #main text 
is not the same size on all pages! IMO the text would stand out more if 
you used the darker blue from the logo instead of the paleish blue you 
use right now. If the text is increased the text in the boxes on the 
left side drops out of the bg img. Maybe Thierrys TIP would work nice 
here?


Besides that I looks great... and I'm crazy over the form validation. 
Looks awesome.



Hi Everyone,
  A new site I recently developed the front-end for over the past few 
months, called Edentiti [1], has just officially launched and I wanted 
to get some feedback about the usability, accessibility and over 
functionality in whatever browsers you can get your hands on.  I've 
tested in various Windows and Mac browsers during development, but as 
is always the case, bugs tend to sneak in wherever they can and 
something may have been missed.


(I know there are bugs in IE7, but I'd rather wait till MS actually 
release something that isn't a joke like both betas 1 and 2 were 
before I bother testing/fixing with it - the one to be released after 
Mix '06 looks slightly more promising)


For all you DOM Scripting fans, if you go to step 2 of the Create an 
Edentiti section, there's a funky form validation script you might 
want to check out.

http://edentiti.com/create/ (click next, to get to step 2)

[1] http://edentiti.com/

PS. I know the markup is currently XHTML and I'm aware how much of a 
hypocrite that makes me :-), but, given the time constraints, it was a 
limitation of the back end solution we had to accept, with plans to 
convert it to HTML4 later on.




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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com


Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:

Lachlan Hunt wrote:

[1] http://edentiti.com/


The layout can't cope with any degree of font-resizing in any browser,
which I think is a weak point.


In my testing, I can resize a substantial amount before seeing any 
problems occur, and even then it's just slightly misaligned background 
images which don't affect the readability of the content too much.  The 
text will eventually over lap the columns (especially on the 3-col home 
page), but it has to get quite big and I'd rather the user disabled 
stylesheets in such cases or we provided an alternative larger 
font/single-column stylesheet.



Noticed delay (on a slow connection) for those '#secondary-nav'
background-images to change on :hover first time. Maybe a single
repositioned background would work better..?


That was considered and even attempted, but I couldn't find a way to do 
it in a way that didn't cause other problems without spending too long 
on the issue.  Now that I have more time, I may be able to find a way to 
do it.



PS. I know the markup is currently XHTML and I'm aware how much of a
 hypocrite that makes me :-)... plans to convert it to HTML4 later on.


Not much of an issue :-)
However, are there any reasons for not using '(X)HTML Strict' on that
page/site?


Yes.  The JavaScript and CSS were not fully written to deal with real 
XHTML issues.  With the exception of the DOM script from my library 
which was written to handle both conditions, the rest wasn't designed 
and tested under XML conditions because my original templates used HTML 
4 Strict.


It wasn't until the back end developer came along later and was only 
relatively new to programming JSP/JSF, we ended up having to accept the 
default output of XHTML in favour of fixing the other more major issues 
including invalid/ill-formed and inaccessible generated markup.


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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com


Tom Livingston wrote:



On 3/2/06 10:31 AM, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[1] http://edentiti.com/


Took _minutes_ for the home page to display, and once it did, it still
wasn't finished loading things.

Mac OS 10.4.5 Safari 2.0.3


Really?  Maybe the server can't cope with the load very well, it's loads 
just as fast in Safari for me, as it does in everything else.  I find IE 
slightly slower because of the IE7 and the DOM patch scripts 
initialising, but nothing too serious.


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Re: [WSG] Site Check/Launch: Edentiti.com

2006-03-02 Thread Jay Gilmore


Lachlan Hunt wrote:



It was decided by the designer and management that they wanted the logo 
on the homepage to be slightly larger and more prominent as a branding 
exercise, but to then move it up to the header, out of the way for all 
the sub pages.


offtopic class=slightly

You may want to send them a copy of Steve Krug's Don't Make Me Think. 
This is a big no no as far as conventions are concerned. My opinion is 
that it looks like ad clutter below the header. Because of the line used 
to delineate the navigation it looks like content not a site id and when 
the page loads I don't know what site I am on and what it is about. 
There is no tagline to give meaning to the site. I may just leave 
because it isn't apparent as to what the site purpose is.


I think that there is not enough pop (visually) for the calls to action. 
From a marketing standpoint I find it hard to figure out what I want to 
do next and there is no lead to the action by color, shape etc. We do 
use these cues regardless of the content.


From a designer and marketer point of view there should be a graphical 
flow chart with the service explanation that shows what this does.


/offtopic

The orange color and font-weight of the Edentiti is a safe secure 
private place for your identification information. is too light and the 
contrast is low. I think it either needs to be heavier, larger or 
reverse the colors of the h2 and the above sentence. BTW what is with 
the nested strong elements? Is this countering the effect in FF?


Don't beat yourself up over the XHTML thing -- it is called working in 
the real world.



Jay



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