And for those of you with legal requirements to use or avoid
certain features?great! Use
them as you will! But don?t criticize others who take a more
practical approach and aren?t
enslaved by the legal requirements which chain you down.
I don't believe that legal requirements providing
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As I understand this thread, it is not about
On 25/03/2009, at 11:15 PM, designer wrote:
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to
favourites?
There is no way of doing this across all browsers, so all you're left
with are the browsers who have
designer wrote:
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
As far as I know, Microsoft are the only vendor to have implemented a
system for triggering bookmark/favourite adding from a webpage.
In
designer
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
The only one I can find is IE only:
I know you're probably asking because a client insists on having it,
but...have we not evolved yet beyond
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designer
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
The only one I can find is IE only:
I know you're probably asking because a client insists
On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote:
It's not just replicating browser functionality - it's a call to
action.
But the action you're calling for is indeed a replication of browser
functionality. Calling something by another name does not change what
it is.
So previously
today at 918-878-8787 for
more info. Instead of just putting 918-878-8787.
Rick
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designer wrote:
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link
the door.
Again, call-to-action, marketing concept which you may or may not
understand.
Rick
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On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote:
It's not just replicating browser functionality
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This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web
Standards.
On Wed, March 25, 2009 3:46 pm, Rick Faircloth wrote:
No, previous arguments still miss the point.
Having a button on a browser for booksmarks is not comparable
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This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web
with and what we're
willing to let go of.
Janice
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Is this list
My justification for wanting to do this is simple, and in my eyes, very
sensible. However, it will no doubt cause ructions amongst the evangelists.
I want to use frames. Frames, contrary to popular myth, are not an
accessibility nightmare. The simple 2-frame frameset I have made validates
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
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I'm new to this group, so I can't speak for anyone else. However, this
sounds like
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My justification for wanting to do this is simple, and in my eyes, very
sensible. However, it will no doubt cause ructions amongst the evangelists.
I want to use frames. Frames, contrary to popular myth, are not an
accessibility nightmare. The simple 2-frame
On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
When you have a boss, you do as the boss says, like it or not.
Or quit, or be fired. Those are the options.
If you have not been hired for your expertise, yes. Otherwise you are
honor-bound to present the arguments, not just blindly obey -
the prior version)
On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Steve Green wrote:
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This list is aware of many marketing practices that are against Web
Standards.
--
Is this list interested in discussing how to balance the conflicting
requirements of various stakeholders (including marketers) or does it take
the dogmatic
In my opinion that's the wrong list to ask such a question, should go
to something more web developing like.
My opinion about the button idea and web standards?
Why not give a nice ajax button that when people click it gives them
instruction in few screenshots/lines of text on how to favourite a
and, I'm sure, would be appreciated by the business interests whose links
are represented.
Rick
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The argument continues to be shaky at best. ...compel a user... in
particular seems to display a fundamental misunderstanding of the
realities of the web as a medium.
I wonder if anyone knows of any user studies around
Green wrote:
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This list is aware of many marketing practices
On 26/03/2009, at 3:56 AM, Steve Green wrote:
Is this list interested in discussing how to balance the conflicting
requirements of various stakeholders (including marketers) or does
it take
the dogmatic position that compliance with web stardards trumps
everything
else?
You've pretty much
On 3/25/09 12:12 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
The correct design (and web standards that are adhered to or not)
is that design for which the client is paying.
Sorry, but that just reads to me like a way to excuse slipshod work. It is
one thing to figure out any old way to
not interrupt those who are doing
it. -- George Bernard Shaw
Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
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On 3/25/09 12:12 PM, Rick Faircloth
The Web Standards Group is for web designers developers who are
interested in web standards (HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS, XSLT etc.) and best
practices (accessible sites using valid and semantically correct code).
We aim to:
* Provide web developers and designers with a forum to discuss issues
On 26/03/2009, at 10:07 AM, Dennis Lapcewich wrote:
The simple process of adding a favorites link on a web page is a
proprietary function attributed to a single browser designed and
developed by its manufacturer solely as marketing mechanism for said
company. While on its face this may
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Although that single link provides a lot of
convenience for the user, they could still visit all 11 plus sites
to register their site on delicious, digg, google, facebook, twitter, etc…
That assumes that the users will want to bookmark the page/site on all
11 social
Stuart,
You'll be pleased to know that I have indeed read what the Web
Standards Group is for, and that I understand what web standards are.
My original email was very clear that the method I suggested was
*proprietary*, given that no standardised approach exists for doing
what was
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While the concept may appear sound at first glance, it's based on a false,
misleading and dishonest premise.
The simple process
Do you imagine that a condescending, not to say insulting, tone adds
weight to your arguments? If so, I'm sorry to disabuse you, but it
just makes a weak point weaker.
To address your argument, you appear (as does OP) to be confused as
to the context of user benefit, call to action. I find
On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
differentiation with
superior products or marketing
ROFL!
(sorry, Russ)
Andrew
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On 3/25/09 12:12 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
The correct design (and web
As I understand this thread, it is not about whether current standards
are right or wrong, but how did we end up with these standards in the
first place?
The current standards did not just spring into existence, fully
formed, out of the brow of some greek god. The standards evolved as
peoples
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As I understand this thread, it is not about whether current standards
are right or wrong, but how did we end up with these standards in the
first place?
The current standards did not just spring into existence, fully
formed, out
On 26/03/2009, at 11:37 AM, Andrew Maben wrote:
To address your argument, you appear (as does OP) to be confused as
to the context of user benefit, call to action.
I'm not at all confused as to what a user benefit is. You may have
decided for yourself that websites have no place crossing
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Any more
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
days, who knows what things will be like then!
Blind people flying around with jetpacks ;)
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huggroup/hug
Sorry that tag isn't to standard... ;o)
Read Russ's DOCTYPE :-)
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So true.
But how long has the WG been working on HTML5? And assuming anyone
ever reaches consensus on that, how long until browsers start
supporting it in wide enough numbers for it to be a practical
alternative for developers?
Technology can change fast, but in the world of web, it can take
On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
days, who knows what things will be like then!
Blind people flying around with jetpacks ;)
It will be just like in the Star Trek Voyager, that Tom Paris
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Rick Faircloth wrote:
Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
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Blind people flying around with jetpacks ;)
P
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