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> Behalf Of nedlud
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>> And for those of you with legal requirements to use or avoid
>> certain features?great! Use
>> them as you will! But don?t criticize others who take a more
>> practical approach and aren?t
>> enslaved by the legal requirements which chain you down.
I don't believe that legal requirements pr
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Subject: Re: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?)
Rick Faircloth wrote:
> Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
> days, who knows what things will be like then!
Blind people flying around with jetpacks
I thought you would say that! :o)
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On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
days, who knows what things will be like then!
Blind people flying around with jetpacks ;)
It will be just like in the Star Trek Voyager, that Tom Paris fou
So true.
But how long has the WG been working on HTML5? And assuming anyone
ever reaches consensus on that, how long until browsers start
supporting it in wide enough numbers for it to be a practical
alternative for developers?
Technology can change fast, but in the world of web, it can take some
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Sorry that tag isn't to standard... ;o)
Read Russ's DOCTYPE :-)
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Rick Faircloth wrote:
Wow...10 years from now...as fast as change occurs these
days, who knows what things will be like then!
Blind people flying around with jetpacks ;)
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Behalf Of ewen.h...@dhs.vic.gov.au
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:07 PM
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Any more and the thread will be closed
On 26/03/2009, at 11:37 AM, Andrew Maben wrote:
To address your argument, you appear (as does OP) to be confused as
to the context of "user benefit", "call to action".
I'm not at all confused as to what a user benefit is. You may have
decided for yourself that websites have no place crossing
Subject: Re: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?)
As I understand this thread, it is not about whether current standards
are right or wrong, but how did we end up with these standards in the
first place?
The current standards did not just spring into existence, fully
formed, o
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Sorry that tag isn't to standard... ;o)
Rick
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Any more and the thread will be closed.
Please!!!
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and
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will be "their" browser.
You have an "unusual" perspective on reality, Andrew.
Rick
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This thread has deteriorated into slanging match.
Any more and the thread will be closed.
Keep the conversation constructive, helpful, considerate... Like a giant
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As I understand this thread, it is not about whether current standards
are right or wrong, but how did we end up with these standards in the
first place?
The current standards did not just spring into existence, fully
formed, out of the brow of some greek god. The standards evolved as
peoples unde
ccommodate others.
Rick
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Morgan-May
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:50 PM
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Subject: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?)
On 3/25/09 12:12 PM, "R
On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:33 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
differentiation with
superior products or marketing
ROFL!
(sorry, Russ)
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Do you imagine that a condescending, not to say insulting, tone adds
weight to your arguments? If so, I'm sorry to disabuse you, but it
just makes a weak point weaker.
To address your argument, you appear (as does OP) to be confused as
to the context of "user benefit", "call to action". I f
ed by the legal requirements which chain you down.
You just don't realize it, but you're enslaved more by your "company" than I
will *ever* be.
Rick
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Lapcewich
Sent: Wednesday,
Stuart,
You'll be pleased to know that I have indeed read what the Web
Standards Group is for, and that I understand what web standards are.
My original email was very clear that the method I suggested was
*proprietary*, given that no standardised approach exists for doing
what was asked.
Rick Faircloth wrote:
Although that single link provides a lot of
convenience for the user, they could still visit all 11 plus sites
to register their site on delicious, digg, google, facebook, twitter, etc…
That assumes that the users will want to bookmark the page/site on all
11 social bo
On 26/03/2009, at 10:07 AM, Dennis Lapcewich wrote:
The simple process of adding a "favorites link" on a web page is a
proprietary function attributed to a single browser designed and
developed by its manufacturer solely as marketing mechanism for said
company. While on its face this may ap
The Web Standards Group is for web designers & developers who are
interested in web standards (HTML, XHTML, XML, CSS, XSLT etc.) and best
practices (accessible sites using valid and semantically correct code).
We aim to:
* Provide web developers and designers with a forum to discuss issues
a
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Behalf Of Matt Morgan-May
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:50 PM
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Subject: Who's responsible (was Re: [WSG] add to favorites?)
On 3/25/09 12:12 PM, "Rick
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"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing
it." -- George Bernard Shaw
"Rick Faircloth"
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03/25/2009 02:48 PM
Please respond to
wsg@web
On 3/25/09 12:12 PM, "Rick Faircloth" wrote:
> The correct design (and web standards that are adhered to or not)
> is that design for which the client is paying.
Sorry, but that just reads to me like a way to excuse slipshod work. It is
one thing to figure out any old way to collect the check, an
On 26/03/2009, at 3:56 AM, Steve Green wrote:
Is this list interested in discussing how to balance the conflicting
requirements of various stakeholders (including marketers) or does
it take
the dogmatic position that compliance with web stardards trumps
everything
else?
You've pretty much
n.com
"In a well designed user interface, the user should not need
instructions."
On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Steve Green wrote:
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent:
rew Maben
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:41 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites?
The argument continues to be shaky at best. "...compel a user..." in
particular seems to display a fundamental misunderstanding of the
realities of the web as a medium.
andardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites?
I am not so arrogant as to even wish to speak for "this list", but on my own
account I'll say that this question is disingenuous. Obviously our work
constantly involves balancing req
In my opinion that's the wrong list to ask such a question, should go
to something more "web developing" like.
My opinion about the button idea and web standards?
Why not give a nice ajax button that when people click it gives them
instruction in few screenshots/lines of text on how to favourite a
rg [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent: 25 March 2009 16:19
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?
This list is aware of many "marketing practices" that are against Web
Standards.
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Is this list inte
maben.com
"In a well designed user interface, the user should not need
instructions."
(Forgive me if this duplicates the prior version)
On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Steve Green wrote:
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org
[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.or
On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
When you have a boss, you do as the boss says, like it or not.
Or quit, or be fired. Those are the options.
If you have not been hired for your expertise, yes. Otherwise you are
honor-bound to present the arguments, not just blindly obey -
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My justification for wanting to do this is simple, and in my eyes, very
sensible. However, it will no doubt cause ructions amongst the evangelists.
I want to use frames. Frames, contrary to popular myth, are not an
accessibility nightmare. The
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Janice Schwarz
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:14 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?
I'm new to this group, so I can't speak for anyone else. Howev
efinition of functionality.
Rick
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Green
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:23 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?
From: li...
My justification for wanting to do this is simple, and in my eyes, very
sensible. However, it will no doubt cause ructions amongst the evangelists.
I want to use frames. Frames, contrary to popular myth, are not an
accessibility nightmare. The simple 2-frame frameset I have made validates
pe
n get them to comply with and what we're
willing to let go of.
Janice
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Behalf Of Steve Green
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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent: 25 March 2009 16:19
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?
This list is aware of many "marketing practices" that are a
dnesday, March 25, 2009 12:19 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?
This list is aware of many "marketing practices" that are against Web
Standards.
On Wed, March 25, 2009 3:46 pm, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> No, previous arguments still miss the point.
>
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Maben
Sent: 25 March 2009 15:18
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites?
On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote:
It's not just replicating browser function
in, "call-to-action", marketing concept which you may or may not
> understand.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Maben
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:18 AM
> To: wsg@we
t;918-878-8787".
Rick
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[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of David Dorward
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:14 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites?
designer wrote:
Does anyone know o
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Subject: Re: [WSG] add to favorites?
designer wrote:
> Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
> provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
As far as I know, Microsoft are the only vendor to have implement
On Mar 25, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Steve Green wrote:
It's not just replicating browser functionality - it's a call to
action.
But the action you're calling for is indeed a replication of browser
functionality. Calling something by another name does not change what
it is.
So previously state
9 13:36
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] add to favorites?
> designer
> Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
The only one I can find is IE only:
I know you're probably asking b
> designer
> Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
The only one I can find is IE only:
I know you're probably asking because a client insists on having it,
but...have we not evolved yet beyond re
designer wrote:
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to favourites?
As far as I know, Microsoft are the only vendor to have implemented a
system for triggering bookmark/favourite adding from a webpage.
In
On 25/03/2009, at 11:15 PM, designer wrote:
Does anyone know of a modern, valid, reasonably cross-browser way to
provide a link on a page so that a user can add the page to
favourites?
There is no way of doing this across all browsers, so all you're left
with are the browsers who have prov
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