Jon Spencer wrote:
> Actually, I think that there is a realistic way for Mexico to invade Canada,
> to see if Canada's entire 55,000 member armed forces could beat the Mexican
> army. Since the US already lets the Mexican army come onto Indian lands in
> Arizona to protect the drug smugglers,
Scott McGee wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Sorry, I misread your post. You said a list of countries who could, and I
> read it as a list of countries who would like to. My apologies. I was
> repeatedly interupted yesterday while trying to read my mail (ok, I was
> trying to read my mail while working on so
Actually, I think that there is a realistic way for Mexico to invade Canada,
to see if Canada's entire 55,000 member armed forces could beat the Mexican
army. Since the US already lets the Mexican army come onto Indian lands in
Arizona to protect the drug smugglers, the US could just extend a lit
Mark,
Sorry, I misread your post. You said a list of countries who could, and I
read it as a list of countries who would like to. My apologies. I was
repeatedly interupted yesterday while trying to read my mail (ok, I was
trying to read my mail while working on something that had repeated "wait
a
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:06:31 -0600, "Tom Matkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> virtual breath. Anyway I'm guessing the acronym is "Masticate your own
> beans".
No! Were we not discussing food storage and such? It goes with that:
Make Your Own Bread!
It is good advice for those who stored a lot of
At 18:33 10/3/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote:
>There's a real-life precedent for your scenario: Napoleon's invasion of
>Russia, and that was just the Priepsky Marshes that he had to navigate.
>Territory and weather were major causes of the Nazi failure in their
>attempt at invading Russia,
>too.
I know how Canadians spell it. However, our larger Zion audience is US
Americans, and you know that Johnny can't read
And here I am stuck in Alabama. Definitely a treasure trove of high
quality illiterates
K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www
.geocities.com/r
There's a real-life precedent for your scenario: Napoleon's invasion of Russia, and
that was just the Priepsky Marshes that he had to navigate. Territory and weather were
major causes of the Nazi failure in their attempt at invading Russia,
too.
Mark Gregson wrote:
>
> > So, in conclusion, I t
Dan R Allen wrote:
> > Mark:
> > If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes,
> > well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would
> > already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD
> > will not work and will not be bui
Mark:
But that's just what I refuse to do: concede that any country can do an
overseas invasion of Canada.
You have heard of wargaming. I mean the real stuff done by the military,
not the Saturday afternoon fantasies of teenage boys. Do a wargame of an
overseas invasion of Canada. You will
od deal, in my book.
They will go along nicely with what we have, and give us the grain we need
to fill out our supply.
Heidi the fair
> [Original Message]
> From: Dan R Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 10/2/2002 2:17:27 PM
> Subject: R
> So, in conclusion, I think the list you stated would be empty is,
> instead, rather lengthy. I won't bother to try to fill in the list,
> but if you were to concede my arguements, you would see that it is
> indeed a long one.
But that's just what I refuse to do: concede that any country
Gary Smith wrote:
> I think Canada has potential big enemies internally. There are the Quebec
> group (unless, of course you are a froggie, then it would be the Anglos),
> for example. Of course, Nanuck of the North could always get with Bob and
> Doug and create a took
Toque. It's pronounced
> Mark:
> If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes,
> well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would
> already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD
> will not work and will not be built.
>
> Dan:
> Actually, it w
I think Canada has potential big enemies internally. There are the Quebec
group (unless, of course you are a froggie, then it would be the Anglos),
for example. Of course, Nanuck of the North could always get with Bob and
Doug and create a took and back-bacon shortage. Half the Canadian economy
wo
Thanks, Scott -- you've summarized my views very well, and succinctly.
Scott McGee wrote:
>
>
> Hmm, he did agree with John that there was NO honorable nation on earth,
> so that implies that Canada is corrupt too. In fact, he criticized Canada
> for following the same policies he disagrees with
Dan R Allen wrote:
> Mark:
> If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes,
> well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would
> already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD
> will not work and will not be built.
>
> Da
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 06:35:09 +0800, "Mark Gregson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all
> on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it:
>
> Please send me a list of Canada's enemies who could invade Canada.
>
> Your
-Marc-
> Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters.
-Stephen-
> NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq
> MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is.
>
> NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion
> MARC: Just goes to show you how corr
Newfound is chock full of names like this, the best example of which I can't give
because it would break the charter (but it's an ironic name, given that a former
Playmate, Shannon Tweed, comes from this town). But some other examples I can think
of are
Channel-port-aux-Basques, Rose Blanche Harb
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:37:27 +, "Stephen Beecroft"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> -Marc-
> > Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters.
>
> NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq
> MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is.
>
> NEWS: Canada kills enemies
I dunno, I kind of like the North Korean translation, Stim-kim-ah-lim-boh, which
phonentically spells out an acronym meaning "fragrant asparagus stem of revenge
against running dog imperialists"
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> -John-
> >>>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:41:02 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long
> >ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts.
>
>
> Till thought the wolves in
Mark:
If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes,
well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would
already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD
will not work and will not be built.
Dan:
Actually, it would work, (has
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> You are my
> perception.
Hey, that could be a Carly Simon song...
> So far as I know, the entire world and all its people don't
> even exist, except in my fevered imagination. But I think my perception
> is at least reasonably justified in this case, based on exchang
Currently, I think you're probably correct. For now. Will that be the
situation tomorrow? Are Canadians righteous and God-fearing enough to
stand alone against the world, if it comes to that? Will God fight your
battles for you?
--
No, I'm afraid the Canadians are not
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:41:02 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long
> >ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts.
>
>
> Till thought the wolves in Pr
list consists of exactly no one. It used to consist of the Soviet Union,
which would absolutely have loved to own Canada the way it owned eastern
Europe, and would doubtless have invaded had they believed they had any
chance whatsoever of success.
---
That's just the point. Had
At 10:06 10/3/2002 -0600, Uncle Presidente wrote:
>On the other hand, and it pains me to say this because no one is more to
>be admired than the venerable Till, but still, I have to say it...
>Wasn't it the Till who first introduced alcohol into the discussion?
>That never helps in civil discour
> Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by
> aliens from outer space. It could happen.
I don't think you are trying to be serious, but if aliens ever attacked, it would be
the US asking Canada for a safe place to hide. If Canada were being attacked there'd
b
> -John-
> >>>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign
policy
> >>>problems.
> >>
> >> Make your own beer
> >
> > Mind Your Own Business --JWR
>
>
> Seems unnecessarily harsh. Poor Till was just trying to clarify the
> meaning of the acronym -- and this is a discussio
-John-
>>>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy
>>>problems.
>>
>> Make your own beer
>
> Mind Your Own Business --JWR
Seems unnecessarily harsh. Poor Till was just trying to clarify the
meaning of the acronym -- and this is a discussion list, after all.
St
At 05:16 10/3/2002 -0800, BLT wrote:
>Mind Your Own Business --JWR
Sorry! 8>))
Till the penitent
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At 07:36 AM 10/3/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
>>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems.
>
>Make your own beer
Mind Your Own Business --JWR
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At 18:02 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote:
>But we're vastly outnumbered by caribou. I'm thinking that if the aliens are
>really smart, they'll assume that caribous are the sentient species, and we're
>just advanced prairie dogs. Besides, they'd be looking for Elvis, and Wawa,
>Ontario, is the last p
At 20:25 10/2/2002 -0800, BLT wrote:
>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy
>problems.
Make your own beer
Till
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At 23:45 10/2/2002 +, St Stephan wrote:
>No kidding? The US actually invaded Canada a
My great-great-great-great grandfather invaded Canada once. Unfortunately
(for him, not necessarily for history) the invasion failed and he was
captured. He spent some time in the dungeons in Quebec.
-Stephen-
> Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them!
-Marc-
> Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote.
-Stephen-
> I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that
> Canada's problems originate with the US,
-Marc-
> More accurate: your pe
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> -Stephen-
> > Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them!
>
> -Marc-
> > Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote.
>
> I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that Canada's
> problems originate with the US,
More
Who cares. What I want to know is if we'll ever find out what really happened to
Elvis. Is that
covered by the 9th AoF?
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> At 06:43 PM 10/2/02 -0500 Paul Osborne favored us with:
> >I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on
> >this list who
Although, with Stephen's caricaturism in mind, I should admit that being every bit as
human as you all are, if we could, we'd be every bit as well, whatever you want to
call it, as you are, if you get my
drift. It's just human nature, the natural man at work.
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> At 12:1
-Stephen-
> Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them!
-Marc-
> Your caricature does not accurately represent what I wrote.
I think it does, more or less. Your implication has been that Canada's
problems originate with the US, and that any of Canada's perhaps
less-than-s
At 06:43 PM 10/2/02 -0500 Paul Osborne favored us with:
>I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on
>this list who think >that Canada needs the US to protect it:
>
>Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by
>aliens from outer space. It c
At 12:15 PM 10/2/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
>We don't paint targets on our chest like the US has a tendency to do.
That is exactly what the USA does, and I don't understand it. Why deliberately make
enemies around the world unnecessarily? A little MYOB would go a long way to s
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> -Marc-
> > No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're
> > all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it
> > is too expensive for us.
>
> Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them!
>
Your caricature does not
But we're vastly outnumbered by caribou. I'm thinking that if the aliens are
really smart, they'll assume that caribous are the sentient species, and we're
just advanced prairie dogs. Besides, they'd be looking for Elvis, and Wawa,
Ontario, is the last place they'd think of looking.
Paul Osborne
-Marc-
> No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're
> all corrupt. Much as we would love to take a higher ground, it
> is too expensive for us.
Yes, you would be moral if only it weren't for the US. Darn them!
-Marc-
> My reasoning is that we are being hammered enough by US
>I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on
this list who think >that Canada needs the US to protect it:
Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by
aliens from outer space. It could happen.
Paul O
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Mark Gregson wrote:
> > I get it, but as I explained, it's not a level playing field, morally speaking.
> > No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much
> > as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. We *could*
> > do it, but your
> I get it, but as I explained, it's not a level playing field, morally speaking.
> No part of Zion has lived up to the contract in Ether and we're all corrupt. Much
> as we would love to take a higher ground, it is too expensive for us. We *could*
> do it, but your government's actions make it m
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> -Marc-
> > Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters.
>
> NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq
> MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is.
>
> NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion
> MARC: Just goe
-Marc-
> Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters.
NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq
MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is.
NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion
MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is.
Now
Dan writes,
>The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier; Have they started
>talking about the prepackaged food kits in your area yet?
---
Sandy:
I've heard of pre-packaged food kits, especially along the lines
of MRE's, but they're usually produced or distributed by a
third party co
The Mexicans are smarter and more efficient. They're getting back the land that
was stolen from them -- it's called La Reconquista.
Jon Spencer wrote:
> John W. Redelfs wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet they could whip the Mexican army if they were to invade.
> grin> --JWR
>
> Now perhaps here is where y
Jon Spencer wrote:
> Yea, John, give them thar Canadians a break, eh? Frankly, I would rather
> that they slaughter the criminals over there, rather than have more come
> over here and slaughter more of us.
>
We know the feeling. At least we don't give immigration visas to dead applicants
lik
Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. Let me put it this way,
though: we pay a higher cost for the moral high ground -- look at the reaction of
people like Cousin Bill to Chrétien's caution about going to war with Iraq. It's
a simple fact of geopolitics that the US has substantial e
At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long
>ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts.
Till thought the wolves in Provo were the RM's prowling for mates .
//
the Atlanta storehouse now allows members to purchase 30 day storage
boxes. It contains cans of wheat, powdered milk, etc., enough for one
person for thirty days. Each costs about $30, or a dollar a day.
I'm not sure if all the storehouses are now doing this or not.
K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary Smi
Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long ramp up to
southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts.
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> At 07:01 AM 10/2/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
> >>Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers slaugh
>I'll bet they could whip the Mexican army if they were to invade.
--JWR
Boy, you are really on a roll these days.
I thought I was really bad at kicking the beehive. I guess I've met my
match!
Paul O
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Or an endangered species, maybe
"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote:
> At 19:02 10/1/2002 -0800, JWR wrote:
>
> >Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers
> >slaughtering people half way around the word. It must make you feel
> >great. --JWR
>
> Just rogue wolves wandered from
John W. Redelfs wrote:
>
> I'll bet they could whip the Mexican army if they were to invade.
grin> --JWR
Now perhaps here is where you and I may agree. However, given that the
Mexican army is invading Arizona quite successfully on an ongoing basis,
maybe they might night win.
Jon
At 12:14 PM 10/2/02 -0400 Jon Spencer favored us with:
>I guess Canada is just dependent upon the US to protect them if anyone is
>ever wacked out enough to attack Canada. Cretan (I meant it that way) must
>believe that we will protect him even after he badmouths us as he does, and
>he must depen
Yea, John, give them thar Canadians a break, eh? Frankly, I would rather
that they slaughter the criminals over there, rather than have more come
over here and slaughter more of us.
Besides, with the mighty armed services that Canada has (a TOTAL of 55,000),
they couldn't even muster up another
Yuko? How long have you been posing as Marc?
In any case, I'm glad to see it really was the US's fault, after all.
For a brief moment, I feared that perhaps some other country besides the
US had to grapple with possible failings in moral matters.
---
We are a peaceful, antlik
-Marc-
> Our problem these days is we are gradually losing our
> sovereignty to the U.S. and are becoming prisoners of your
> foreign policy. We don't have a lot of choice -- sometimes
> you just have to play a bad hand the best you can.
Yuko? How long have you been posing as Marc?
In any case,
At 07:01 AM 10/2/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
>>Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers slaughtering people
>half way around the word. It must make you feel great. --JWR
>
>Just rogue wolves wandered from the Boreal Forest, eh?
I love and have a deep admi
At 19:02 10/1/2002 -0800, JWR wrote:
>Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real killers
>slaughtering people half way around the word. It must make you feel
>great. --JWR
Just rogue wolves wandered from the Boreal Forest, eh?
Till
//
I never know whether to feel proud or ashamed. Our problem these days is we are
gradually losing our sovereignty to the U.S. and are becoming
prisoners of your foreign policy. We don't have a lot of choice -- sometimes you just
have to play a bad hand the best you can. That's why I was so
surpri
At 05:11 PM 10/1/2002 -0500, Paul wrote:
> >Dan:
> >The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier; Have they started
> >talking about the prepackaged food kits in your area yet?
>
>
>Nope.
Our branch had a food storage party at the Medford cannery last month. For
$27.22 (that's US dollar
At 06:05 PM 10/1/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with:
>Maybe better food is why our special forces killed more Taliban than your
>special forces did in Afghanistan over the past six months even though your group
>is 4 times the size of ours (1300 vs 300)* ;-)
Yeah, its real nice to know t
>Amen to that! Paul is good at stirring things up a little, and
sometimes this list really >needs that. --JWR
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Dan writes,
>The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier; Have they started
>talking about the prepackaged food kits in your area yet?
---
I've heard of pre-packaged food kits, especially along the lines
of MRE's, but they're usually produced or distributed by a
third party company, su
We have a novel way of getting food storage. Our youngest son has been in the
militia (the reserves) the past few years, and every time he goes to some
function or on exercise they always have extra food. One day he brought home 135
pre-packaged meals! And they're actually pretty good -- I've trie
At 03:55 PM 10/1/02 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] favored us with:
>By the way, Paul...it is GREAT to see you back on the list!
>
>Heidi the fair
Amen to that! Paul is good at stirring things up a little, and sometimes this list
really needs that. --JWR
/
>Dan:
>The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier; Have they started
>talking about the prepackaged food kits in your area yet?
Nope.
Paul O
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> [Original Message]
> From: Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/30/2002 8:40:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
>
> >
>This should be a simple commandment to keep, like tithing
Paul:
It may be a "simple" commandment but it is NOT easy for all of us. Some
of us really struggle with the law of tithing. I think you know that. I
was just being picky. ;-)
Dan:
The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier;
At 07:08 PM 9/30/02 -0500 Paul Osborne favored us with:
>Not JWR. I have seen his stash. He is loaded with grain! When I visited
>him in Alaska I told him he may need a gun to protect his stock but he
>said he has so much he is willing to feed his neighbors too!
>
>What a swell guy.
Thanks for t
>Why are we (I include myself in that) latter-day saints so reluctant to
get our year's >supply of food?
Not JWR. I have seen his stash. He is loaded with grain! When I visited
him in Alaska I told him he may need a gun to protect his stock but he
said he has so much he is willing to feed his n
>This should be a simple commandment to keep, like tithing
It may be a "simple" commandment but it is NOT easy for all of us. Some
of us really struggle with the law of tithing. I think you know that. I
was just being picky. ;-)
Paul O
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Why are we (I include myself in that) latter-day saints so reluctant to get our year's
supply of food? It isn't that hard for most of us, and we probably all know members
who have lived off their food for quite some time (e.g. a job loss). This should be a
simple commandment to keep, lik
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