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Please pardon my slowness to respond. Zope is (still) not (yet) my full-time
occupation.
Jim Fulton wrote:
| Troy Farrell wrote:
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| Philipp, not everyone follows well-planned, ideal upgrade practices.
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| There's only so much we can do for people who
Stephan Richter wrote:
Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more
community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad.
Sorry, but I think you'll find several people stepped up, and ZC slapped them in
the face with a big fat legal
Andreas Jung wrote:
Yeah...just had a look a zopewiki.org it seems to be a great place. I
wonder why we were not
able to built a such place there were it would belong to: zope.org?
Indeed. I shall see if I can put some input there...
Any chance ZopeWiki.org could become the master location for
Jim Fulton wrote:
- The zope.org community site is a mess. Lots of outstanding problems
are not fixed, the performance
of the site is more than poor (it takes ages to login, it takes
ages to load pages),
usability (e.g. when you perform a software release) is bad.
Yes, that's a bad
Chris Withers wrote:
Andre Meyer wrote:
With respect to CMS, Plone archetypes are too simplistic for complex
data/document types and customisation takes too much effort.
totally agree...
I have the same experience.
They keep refactoring how a single small (and relatively uninterresting)
Lennart Regebro wrote:
This means that we need more bugdays. A typical bugday squishes a whole
bunch of bugs. They bugs will be harder to squish the more bugdays we have,
since the easy one will be squished first, but no matter.
Whatever happened to the plan to have a monthly bug day on the last
Tim Peters wrote:
[Max M]
Or perhaps an automated nightly Windows build.
[Stephan Richter]
We have talked about it many times before, but simply lack the
bandwidth. Maybe you could provide this for Cygwin?
[Max M]
Argh ... that wasn't fair.
Ok I will try and find some time to look into it.
A
Andre Meyer wrote:
I have been developing for Zope for about half a year now and it took
considerable effort to get anything going.
I would suggest that's because you chose to use what are, imho, overly complex
products ;-)
With respect to CMS, Plone archetypes are too simplistic for complex
On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 02:56, Chris Withers wrote:
Any chance ZopeWiki.org could become the master location for the book?
It's got a much nicer UI than Zope.org...
Every few weeks or so I go and clean out (sometimes hundreds of) test
and fglrldjksjds and you suck! comments in the BackTalk
From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any chance ZopeWiki.org could become the master location for the book?
It's gonna be hard to get a printable book out of a Wiki...
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From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Whatever happened to the plan to have a monthly bug day on the last monday
of
each month or somesuch?
Nothing, as usual, I guess. Even since bugdays where first thought of, more
of then and more regular bugdays have been promised, but it doesn't happen.
Hi all,
I'm reposting here because I had no luck on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm in the course of low-level wrapping the ODBC api. Just in case
you wonder: I know of mxODBC and pyodbc, they don't fit my needs as
well license-wise as technically (I want better metadata access,
thread-safety etc.).
I've used the cache_size paramter to the constructor of the DB to good
effect. Are there any further gotchas for ensuring that the ZODB stays
in memory as much as possible?
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Maik Jablonski writes:
Hi,
there are some bugs in the Zope-Collector which IMHO can be closed.
[...]
Not up2date anymore:
http://zope.org/Collectors/Zope/591
http://zope.org/Collectors/Zope/943
and:
http://zope.org/Collectors/Zope/599
(if someone minds...)
Cheers,
On Thursday 22 April 2004 10:42, Syver Enstad wrote:
I've used the cache_size paramter to the constructor of the DB to good
effect. Are there any further gotchas for ensuring that the ZODB stays
in memory as much as possible?
Memory usage scales proportional to the number of threads. Reducing
Jim Fulton wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hey there,
I understand from:
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/Zope2.8/MilestonePlan
Zope 2.8 is now planned for june.
This is, of course, a function of people's availability to help.
I still need to fix ZClasses, and I need to get through
Troy Farrell wrote:
...
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade or slow the adoption of Zope
3. I,
along with everyone here want to see this transition go smoothly. When the
customer only notices the change due to new functionality, ease of use, or
improved performance, then we will know that
On Thursday 22 April 2004 03:31, Lennart Regebro wrote:
Today 03:31:57
From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any chance ZopeWiki.org could become the master location for the book?
It's gonna be hard to get a printable book out of a Wiki...
I tried this and I can tell you that a Wiki is
Jim Fulton wrote:
2. Especially Andreas expressed his worries about the current release
policy in Zope 2 and its future regarding maintainance and support. I
have to say that I share some of his skepticism regarding Zope 2. I
personally have never fully understood ZC's reasons for the release
Joachim Werner wrote:
There are quite a few Zope-based CMS solutions out there, and most of
them are better than their commercial counterparts in many respects. But
if we had managed to start a joint CMS effort (other than CMF, which is
a failure by design) two or three years ago things would
Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thursday 22 April 2004 10:42, Syver Enstad wrote:
I've used the cache_size paramter to the constructor of the DB to good
effect. Are there any further gotchas for ensuring that the ZODB stays
in memory as much as possible?
Memory usage scales
On Thursday 22 April 2004 11:43, Syver Enstad wrote:
cache_deactivate_after sounds interesting. Since I am running ZODB in
a web server I don't want the data to timeout and disappear from
memory since every object I have should be loaded at all times.
Thats why ZODB ignores that parameter now
Jim Fulton wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
I'm surprised to read this. Could you be more specific about your
concerns?
Did you read Andreas Jung's mail? He was pretty specific, but I had to
hunt around as in my mailreader his reply had broken the thread.
I was responding to
Jim Fulton wrote:
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Why would they switch to Zope 2.8 if not for the component architecture?
To stay current? To get MVCC? To get new-style extension classes, and
thus access to many modern Python features. Later releases will provide
benefits beyond just the Z3
On Thu, Apr 22, 2004 at 06:07:10AM -0400, Stephan Richter wrote:
I tried this and I can tell you that a Wiki is not the right format for a
book. While it lowers the entrance points, it is far too simplistic. I
eventually changed my master to LaTeX, where I can add as much meta-data and
Jim Fulton wrote:
Have interfaces stabilized enough to start this work, or should I wait
until next month (may is indicated on the planning).
I think so.
You think I can start now or you think I should wait? :)
What steps need to be taken concretely before such integration is
considered
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:15:58 +0100, Seb Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joachim Werner wrote:
There are quite a few Zope-based CMS solutions out there, and most of
them are better than their commercial counterparts in many respects.
But if we had managed to start a joint CMS effort (other than
Hello Martin,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Kretschmar) writes:
putting this back on list, hope it's ok with you.
Hello,
I was once debugging an application which usually
crashed after 2-3 days during load tests. It was
doing a lot of database operations. The access
was to a Microsoft SQL
Jim Fulton wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
this could fit fairly well with my own (also delayed :) plans for
using this facility in Silva. The obvious area I could try to
contribute is in integrating Zope 3 interfaces in Zope 2.
I meant to mention that Kapil has offered to work on this.
I suggest you
Paul Everitt wrote
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:15:58 +0100, Seb Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joachim Werner wrote:
There are quite a few Zope-based CMS solutions out there,
and most of
them are better than their commercial counterparts in many
respects.
But if we had managed to
I proposed this yesterday, but I wanted to make sure that everyone say
it. I think we should have a bug day, we're long overdue. I'm proposing
we hold it on Thursday, April 29.
We'll convene on the #zope-dev irc channel.
-Casey
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Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Why would they switch to Zope 2.8 if not for the component architecture?
To stay current? To get MVCC? To get new-style extension classes, and
thus access to many modern Python features. Later releases will
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
2. Especially Andreas expressed his worries about the current release
policy in Zope 2 and its future regarding maintainance and support. I
have to say that I share some of his skepticism regarding Zope 2. I
personally have never fully
I know I'm new here, but I think this may work to my benefit in this case
...
+1 on everything Jim just said!
Unlike some others it seems, I look at Zope almost uniquely as framework
for
building web applications. An API or SDK if you will. As such, I think it's
internal software desing and
Toby Dickenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thursday 22 April 2004 11:43, Syver Enstad wrote:
cache_deactivate_after sounds interesting. Since I am running ZODB in
a web server I don't want the data to timeout and disappear from
memory since every object I have should be loaded at all
http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/Zope2-20040422.zip/file_view
and let us know what happens! As the comment there says, it's just .pyd
files from Zope2 HEAD, compiled with MSVC 6. This is from an inplace
(setup.py build_ext -i) build on Windows, from a current Zope HEAD
checkout.
As far as I
[Tim Peters]
...
No way to tell without trying. I don't know whether you're
building Zope2 or Zope3, but since this is the zope-dev list I
assume the former. Try
http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/Zope2-20040422.zip/file_view
and let us know what happens! As the comment there says
What a great discussion.
I'm not sure I can catch up and make a single coherent reply, so I'll
just drop this into the stew right here: I think Zope 3 is firmly on the
right track. At the same time let us not forget the ideas around
http://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html .
Casey Duncan wrote:
On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly*
lowers the bar on contributing
That is exactly the intent. We have needed this since the days of the ZDP.
I see no reason why it being or not being on Zope.org is relevant. Its a
social thing: Simon
Hi!
It would be great to start something like a Zope3 CMS interest group up,
to pool all our CMS experience - start collecting requirements, etc.
Seems like a mighty large task, though :-)
I've proposed that a couple of times already. There are two problems in real
life:
1)
Joachim Werner wrote:
[Seb Bacon wrote:]
I disagree that performance is a problem in Zope 2. With a combination
of profiling to eliminate bottlenecks, ZEO, and Squid, Zope hums along
beautifully. We are consulting for a company that is in the process of
replacing their Java front-end
I wrote:
- In debug mode, add a new handler that dumps to standard output. This
is fairly easy to code, but is inflexible.
Andreas responded:
But flexible enough for most usecase. The point is that you want to see
the tracebacks on the console during the development phase. Watching the
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 04:48 am, Chris Withers wrote:
I'm guessing there is some kind of log-to-console logger already?
If so, why not just add that in zope.conf and comment it out when you move
to production?
That would work for me, but not everyone at ZC agreed, so I've made some
Jim Fulton wrote at 2004-4-21 11:39 -0400:
Andreas Jung wrote:
...
I am sure that more are willing to contribute more
than at the moment.
Great! Where are they?
I, for example, would but I am scared away by the required
promise to defend ZC against any potential patent claim related
to my
Terry Hancock wrote at 2004-4-21 09:39 -0500:
...
I've been developing an application, which has taken about two years, largely
because developing in the Zope 2 Framework model is like beating your head
against the wall constantly.
That's probably because I'm writing a fundamentally complex web
Joachim Werner wrote at 2004-4-21 21:24 +0200:
...
Believe me or not, almost everything gets
more complicated with CMF/Plone than with plain Zope.
I do not believe you.
We have used CMF (mostly the SkinsTool, the ActionsTool and DCWorkflow)
very successfully to build
* an editorial system
Ames Andreas (MPA/DF) wrote at 2004-4-22 11:07 +0200:
...
The ODBC api is object-based and exhibits four object types:
environment, connection, statement and descriptor objects each of
which has a set of methods and properties. Pickle-wise I'm not so
concerned about persistence across
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2004-4-21 19:42 +0200:
Stephan Richter wrote:
Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more
community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad.
I believe part of the blockage is because contributors have to
Syver Enstad wrote at 2004-4-21 18:03 +0200:
Syver Enstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am using ZODB 3.2 in a twisted based web application. I have read
that I need to call sync to keep the connection up to date. When
exactly should I call sync? Are there any drawbacks with calling it
I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that Zope.org is just not going
to cut it to do Zope Book development work due to its speed (or lack
thereof).
I'd like to help fix the Zope.org slowness problem, but I'm a little
unclear about what's required for me to get the level of access required
to
On Thursday 22 April 2004 05:22 pm, Dieter Maurer wrote:
Writing a fundamentally complex web application within 2 months work
is quite impressive, isn't it?
Apparently, the framework is not too bad...
Ya' think? I thought it just meant I kicked ass. :-D
No, seriously Zope is great. But it's
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