Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-07 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 7, 2008, at 00:20 , Alexander Limi wrote: - Try not to be too clever with the Taste/Get and other links. People actually scan for links that are similar from other projects, and having to interpret/understand them is confusing. +1 - The list of companies using Zope includes

Re: [Zope-dev] Let's fix the damned website

2008-04-05 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Apr 5, 2008, at 17:52 , Martin Aspeli wrote: Then, we need a champion for each of the sub-projects. These are: - Zope 3 and the Zope Libraries -- this is the most important one in the short term! - Zope 2 - CMF - ZODB I'm volunteering for the CMF. jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Packaging Zope for Fedora

2008-03-26 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Mar 26, 2008, at 01:12 , Timothy Selivanow wrote: I would rather have a package that upstream approves of and participates in, than blindly create it in a silo not caring. It never turns out well in the long run with the latter. You may be fighting windmills here. Previous attempts at

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: zope.sendmail Retry fixes and new state machine.

2008-03-10 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Mar 10, 2008, at 17:57 , Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Tres Seaver wrote: Gary Poster wrote: Also, some variety of doctest would be nice. Even when a package is not using doctests, I add new tests as doctest unless there's a really good reason not to. Becuase they make for poor

Re: [Zope-dev] [Zope2.10+] zopectl run conflicts with Traversable

2008-02-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Feb 22, 2008, at 17:52 , Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, I (and some co-workers) encountered lately issues with traversal when running scripts using zopectl run from the command line. The lookup code fore views apparently expects always the existence of a REQUEST. What's the best approach to

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: mapping from collector numbers to launchpad numbers?

2007-11-16 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On Nov 16, 2007, at 10:36 , Chris Withers wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: How do you go about mapping from old collector issue numbers to new launchpad ticket numbers? You let the www.zope.org redirect you. Well, I'm not sure it does... I'm looking at a changelog and it has a specific old

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Oct 2007, at 17:20, Andreas Jung wrote: The distinction between Zope 2 and Zope 3 must disappear. We must speak of Zope. Everything else is counterproductive when it comes to promoting Zope. There is only one Zope developer community and

Re: [Zope-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-05 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Oct 2007, at 15:57, Jim Fulton wrote: Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. Good idea. +1 from me. I'm not on zope3-dev but won't mind additional

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 08:04, Andreas Jung wrote: to make it short: I propose to move the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad. Since the Zope 3 bugtracker works already with success on LP we should follow with the Zope 2 bugtracker. Objections? One

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 09:11, Andreas Jung wrote: Slow down... speaking for the CMF and PAS collectors: I'm -0.5 on both since I actively use them and I have no experience at all with Launchpad. The other responsible people sit on the CMF list so

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Moving the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 11:11, Hanno Schlichting wrote: One could also move the CMF bugtracker to LP at the same time. Then only the APE and the PAS trackers would remain. The PAS tracker is already empty and the APE tracker is also pretty much

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Moving the Zope 2 bugtracker to Launchpad

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Aug 2007, at 11:26, Hanno Schlichting wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 13 Aug 2007, at 11:11, Hanno Schlichting wrote: One could also move the CMF bugtracker to LP at the same time. Then only the APE and the PAS trackers would remain

Re: [Zope-dev] ZClassNG proposal makes Archetypes Easy.

2007-04-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22 Apr 2007, at 19:28, Christopher Lozinski wrote: On his personal home page http://zwiki.org/JimFulton Jim Fulton, the Zope Pope writes: Make ZWiki subclassable from ZClasses. This will make it a lot easier to experiment and innovate.

Re: [Zope-dev] unit tests

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Apr 2007, at 13:35, Miles wrote: However, having logged this, the testrunner proceeded to run all my tests correctly, and so the buildbot reported a pass. I expected the testrunner to bomb out on encountering this error, but it didn't -

[Zope-dev] Re: [Zope-CMF] CMF Tests: 9 OK, 2 Unknown

2007-03-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Subject: UNKNOWN : CMF-2.1 Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux From: CMF Unit Tests Date: Sun Mar 11 22:42:15 EDT 2007 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/cmf-tests/2007-March/004319.html Subject: UNKNOWN : CMF-trunk Zope-trunk Python-2.4.4 : Linux

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in AdvancedQuery and/or ManagableIndex?

2007-02-04 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Feb 2007, at 12:47, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I'm not quite sure it has to be part of Zope 2 as you install it. Having it in svn.zope.org would go a long, way, though, allowing us to use svn:externals during development and potentially fix

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Interest in AdvancedQuery and/or ManagableIndex?

2007-02-04 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Feb 2007, at 18:27, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Note that we have the same issue with ZopeVersionControl, which is currently only in CVS. An import of that into subversion would make a lot of us very happy. I think it has been

Re: [Zope-dev] Interest in AdvancedQuery and/or ManagableIndex?

2007-02-03 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2 Feb 2007, at 22:36, Dieter Maurer wrote: * my code uses 2 blank indentation rather than the usual 4 blank (to make it more readable and easier to maintain for me) That can be dealt with by reformatting. Should not be hard to quickly

Re: [Zope-dev] Error running ZPublisher tests

2007-01-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14 Jan 2007, at 11:26, Andreas Jung wrote: Running the ZPublisher tests (on the trunk) alone results in the following error. However the tests works when running all unittests. Bug or feature? If a test runs one way and not another there's

Re: [Zope-dev] Is there an alternative to zdaemon?

2006-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Dec 2006, at 14:23, Jim Fulton wrote: zdaemon is an interesting case because it is s non-zope and (mostly) non-python specific. I must say that it amazes me that there isn't an established alternative out there. When people start

Re: [Zope-dev] Is there an alternative to zdaemon?

2006-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Dec 2006, at 14:53, Jim Fulton wrote: I don't think it ever caused anyone any headache apart from maybe working around different ways in which forking/daemonizing is handled on some platforms (OS X comes to mind). Any software we own is

Re: [Zope-dev] ZopeVersionControl bug

2006-12-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Dec 2006, at 03:44, Rob Miller wrote: is there a current maintainer or development process for ZopeVersionControl? there's been a little bit of activity lately, but it's still in CVS. in any event, CMFEditions (a versioning system for

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:32, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I did a bit of checking: zope.org has a crazy number of DNS servers and they are not all in sync. Particularly seconly.rackspace.com (69.20.0.180) and cabana.palladion.com (64.34.177.88) are not authorative for the zope.org domain and will

Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org down?

2006-10-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:36, Justizin wrote: That record comes from zoneedit.com, noone should be using those servers for lookups AFAIK because zoneedit.com is not authoritative for the NS records. These are slaves which have not coordinated with me

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving ZopeVersionControl to subversion?

2006-10-09 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Oct 2006, at 18:55, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 6 Oct 2006, at 17:38, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I noticed that ZopeVersionControl is still actively maintained in CVS. Would its maintainers mind moving it to subversion? That would make it a lot

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving ZopeVersionControl to subversion?

2006-10-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Oct 2006, at 17:38, Wichert Akkerman wrote: I noticed that ZopeVersionControl is still actively maintained in CVS. Would its maintainers mind moving it to subversion? That would make it a lot easier for us to include it in the Plone 3.0

Re: [Zope-dev] Release schedule for Zope 2.11/3.4?

2006-09-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Sep 2006, at 13:19, Andreas Jung wrote: Another point with this whole half-yr release cycle: we're going to confuse more and more professional users about which Zope version to use for what. I've heard from my major customer but also from

Re: [Zope-dev] Release schedule for Zope 2.11/3.4?

2006-09-12 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Sep 2006, at 14:44, Martijn Faassen wrote: Another point with this whole half-yr release cycle: we're going to confuse more and more professional users about which Zope version to use for what. I've heard from my major customer but also

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Timing the opening of network ports

2006-08-30 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30 Aug 2006, at 14:32, Christian Theune wrote: Chris Withers wrote: Christian Theune wrote: b) it's more convenient for developers Why? Early open port means: zopectl restart and reload in your browser immediately without getting

Re: [Zope-dev] Timing the opening of network ports

2006-08-28 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28 Aug 2006, at 19:19, Andreas Jung wrote: Some time ago the following patch was proposed to control the timing for opening the socket ports upon startup: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2005-November/025709.html I propose to adapt

Re: [Zope-dev] Help! Need to extract files out of Data.fs!

2006-08-28 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28 Aug 2006, at 22:33, Dennis Allison wrote: Have you compressed the Data.fs? There is an option in the control panel to do this. I can be run on a live machine, but you may not want to do so given the size of stuff. I'd do it on a quiet

Re: [Zope-dev] Should PageTemplate._text be a unicode or an encoded string in Zope 2.9.3?

2006-07-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17 Jul 2006, at 12:24, Andreas Jung wrote: What about loading FS ZPT's and things like CMF's FSZPT? Ask Tres or Jens :-) CMFCore/FSPageTemplate does not do anything special, it defers to the PageTemplate implementation. jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Can logreopen restarts Zope ?

2006-06-30 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30 Jun 2006, at 14:30, Julien Anguenot wrote: For maximum reliability I tend to forego the built-in log reopening in favor of using the logrotate utility in copytruncate mode. This will not require any log file reopening, logrotate will

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: Scrap zpkg for Zope2 releases

2006-06-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 22 Jun 2006, at 16:35, Tres Seaver wrote: I believe that the extra flexibility which zpkg is intended to provide (dependency-based subset distributions, primarily) would be better served by moving Zope to use eggs, and that we should thus retire

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Nasty error message with obscure bug

2006-06-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19 Jun 2006, at 15:51, Chris Withers wrote: Florent Guillaume wrote: Hopefully the google archive trail will be enough for this issue... When I look for bugs to fix I don't read the mailing list archives for the past two years, I use the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Stable / Development branches?

2006-06-16 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Jun 2006, at 10:28, Andreas Jung wrote: My recommendation: 1 yr deprecation period as it is now 1 yr + X maintenance period for older branches. +1 jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin)

Re: [Zope-dev] Time-based releases a good idea?

2006-06-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 14 Jun 2006, at 09:44, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 14. Juni 2006 07:32:42 +0100 Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the good reasoning behind the time-based releases, but have they really worked out? Yes and No. Yes: It's a must

[Zope-dev] Re: SVN: CMF/branches/1.6/ - preparing CMF 1.6.1-beta

2006-06-03 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 3 Jun 2006, at 20:53, Florent Guillaume wrote: On 3 Jun 2006, at 20:46, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 3 Jun 2006, at 18:49, Florent Guillaume wrote: I didn't see the GenericSetup checkin creating that tag, could you check that you're subscribed

Re: [Zope-dev] tempstorage to ZEO?

2006-05-31 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 31 May 2006, at 14:55, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:49:49AM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote: | I've done this (at least with FileStorage) and it's | sllo. Might be OK for low-traffic sites, but better | to

[Zope-dev] QueueCatalog moved to svn.zope.org

2006-05-03 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just FYI, since the product seems mostly orphaned I just moved it without asking anyone: http://svn.zope.org/Products.QueueCatalog jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin)

Re: [Zope-dev] favicon.ico for 2.10?

2006-04-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Apr 2006, at 10:59, Lennart Regebro wrote: I find all these errors that Zope can't find a favicon.ico pretty annoying. Can we put one into 2.10s root by default, or is that for some reason a bad idea? +1 from me. The circle-Z should make

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: favicon.ico for 2.10?

2006-04-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Apr 2006, at 11:43, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Lennart Regebro wrote: I find all these errors that Zope can't find a favicon.ico pretty annoying. Can we put one into 2.10s root by default, or is that for some reason a bad idea? +1

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: favicon.ico for 2.10?

2006-04-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 24 Apr 2006, at 11:57, kit BLAKE wrote: 2006/4/24, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah, that's nice. Does it work as a PNG, though? I was under the impression (and thought the spec requires) that favicons must be *.ico files. A PNG favicon will work in the Mozilla family

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Re: cvs.zope.org/Products - svn.zope.org?

2006-04-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
that Basket should really just die in favor of something going in to Zope 2 proper. - C On Apr 22, 2006, at 1:02 PM, Rocky Burt wrote: Will do. - Rocky On Thu, 2006-20-04 at 21:12 +0100, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rocky, since this whole issue seems

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [ANN] pythonproducts 1.0beta1 released

2006-04-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Apr 2006, at 18:47, Rocky Burt wrote: On Sun, 2006-23-04 at 19:30 +0200, Florent Guillaume wrote: Cool. What's the status of it regarding integration directly into Zope 2.10? Well, pythonproducts patches regular Zope and also CMF. Five

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Re: [ANN] pythonproducts 1.0beta1 released

2006-04-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Apr 2006, at 19:33, Rocky Burt wrote: Great news regarding CMF 2.1 and Plone. Specifically all pythonproducts does for CMF is patch CMFCore.TypesTool.TypesTool.listDefaultTypeInformation so that when it looks up a product it doesn't simply

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: cvs.zope.org/Products - svn.zope.org?

2006-04-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
+0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Apr 2006, at 08:30, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 17. April 2006 16:25:10 +0200 Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it make sense to migrate the complete Products hierarchy from cvs.zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] cvs.zope.org/Products - svn.zope.org?

2006-04-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Apr 2006, at 08:30, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 17. April 2006 16:25:10 +0200 Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it make sense to migrate the complete Products hierarchy from cvs.zope.org to svn.zope.org? - -1 on migrating

Re: [Zope-dev] cvs.zope.org/Products - svn.zope.org?

2006-04-17 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17 Apr 2006, at 14:15, Andreas Jung wrote: Hi, almost all big Zope projects have changed to Subversion fortunately. Using svn:externals is a nice way to build bundles and helps a lot deploying software. However projects still have some

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope2.8.7] with Five 1.0 or Five 1.2

2006-03-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27 Mar 2006, at 11:55, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: Zope 2.8 ships/shipped with Five 1.0 which is very old and no longer actively maintained. Most ppl doing currently development with Zope 2.8 are using Five 1.2. Should

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:07, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the XML export is a facility that is and should be advertized as a legitimate escape hatch for data kept in Zope. People really shouldn't feel afraid of putting data in Zope/ZODB as there really

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:07, Jim Fulton wrote: I think the XML export is a facility that is and should be advertized as a legitimate

Re: [Zope-dev] IMO ZClasses should stay

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:25, Jim Fulton wrote: On the subject of deprecation, for the record, I think removing ZClasses is a mistake. They have legitimate uses. They have major flaws too. It would help if we would more clearly document their

Re: XML export/import is cool! (Was Re: [Zope-dev] Deprecating XML export/import?)

2006-03-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Mar 2006, at 16:30, Jim Fulton wrote: Interesting. I imagine that this is fixible in a somewhat straightforward way, although it is probably tied up with the general encoding mess in Z2. Yes, that's likely where the problem comes from.

Re: [Zope-dev] New mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] for all checkin messages

2006-03-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
I've set up a new mailing list that gets all checkins for the zope.org CVS and Subversion repositories: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/checkins Does this list replace [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the default checkins list? jens ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] [svn.zope.org] How to change the From: address for checkin notifications

2006-03-13 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 13 Mar 2006, at 15:15, Andreas Jung wrote: Due to some changes in my email configuration I would like to use another email address for checkin notifications email other than the current one. Is there a way to configure this on my own or do I have to beg before the svn admistrator? The

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: merge zope-dev and zope3-dev?

2006-02-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 18 Feb 2006, at 13:08, Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 17 February 2006 23:54, Jim Fulton wrote: Only you and Philipp were excited about this. Not sure that constitutes a ringing endorsement. Maybe others will chime in now. I'm +10 too. I'd like to see this happen before the end of

Re: [Zope-dev] Moving Five source code to svn.zope.org

2006-02-15 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 15 Feb 2006, at 15:30, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: * I plan on doing the migration some time during the PyCON conference or sprint (24 Feb through 2 Mar). There might be a period of 1 day or so when commits to Five won't be possible. I'll inform everyone in advance. Perhaps Jens

[Zope-dev] Main repository on svn.zope.org now with fsfs backend

2005-12-25 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
Hi all, Just got finished migrating the main repository on svn.zope.org away from the old BDB backend to a FSFS backend. Some quick tests show me that everything seems to be in order, including sending of commit messages. This means the repository is open for business again. jens

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 23 Dec 2005, at 14:48, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim, if you want to take a look at this new repository, it's under / root/fakesvn. I moved this to the normal repos area and changed the group to the zopesvn, so that everyone with access to the old repository should have access to this one. The

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 23 Dec 2005, at 14:57, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 23 Dec 2005, at 14:48, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim, if you want to take a look at this new repository, it's under / root/fakesvn. I moved this to the normal repos area and changed the group to the zopesvn, so that everyone with access

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-22 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:15, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: With this upgrade in place I will do a new dry-run for the FSFS backend migration tomorrow morning. The test run ran through without any problems. Here's some stats: - dumping the existing repository took 12 minutes and resulted in a 1.1 GB

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Jim Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:08, Jim Fulton wrote: Sounds good. I'll announce that the repo will be down for maintenance on the 25th, Just FYI, during a dry run this morning I hit an obvious snag

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 16:12, Jim Fulton wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to go ahead with this update in hopes of resolving some windows client problems that may be confounding our efforts to run windows tests with buildbot. Done Great. I can see http://svn.zope.org works just fine. With

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-21 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 21 Dec 2005, at 18:47, Jim Fulton wrote: I'll note, FWIW, that we don't do installs from Zope 3 checkouts. I think it's worth asking whether this is an important requirement. If it is, then we should make it work. Question is, is it worth delaying the release? I don't know. IMHO it is an

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 08:51, Stefan H. Holek wrote: On 18. Dez 2005, at 17:58, Tim Peters wrote: Nobody should be installing from a checkout to begin with, right? Ok, so that's probably where we disagree then ;-) I almost exclusively work with checkouts, and I would think many developers

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:08, Jim Fulton wrote: Sounds good. I'll announce that the repo will be down for maintenance on the 25th, Just FYI, during a dry run this morning I hit an obvious snag: The subversion packages on svn.zope.org are so ancient that they cannot create FSFS backends.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 11:57, Jim Fulton wrote: Since I cannot do any test right now for loading the dumpfile into a FSFS-based repository I suggest doing this package upgrade beforehand. It only takes a few minutes. I cannot make any guarantees that nothing will break, however. The only

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 12:47, Alan Milligan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jens, I have the latest subversion-1.2.3-4 compiled for python2.3. I am happy to make them available to you if you wish. Thanks for the help, Alan. I'm just going the route of least risk by

Re: [Zope-dev] [RfC] Removal of old stuff in Zope 2.10

2005-12-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 20 Dec 2005, at 19:47, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 20. Dezember 2005 14:27:18 -0500 Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just to be clear, the stuff I'm talking about is ZMI user interface docs, not programmer docs. I'll raise the question again: what are the benefits of the HelpSys

Re: [Zope-dev] optimised python

2005-12-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 19 Dec 2005, at 12:00, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 06:50:19AM -0500, Jim Fulton wrote: | There is a drawback: Debugging becomes a lot harder and sometimes | impossible because you get no or faulty line number information in | tracebacks and when using pdb. | | That isn't

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 19 Dec 2005, at 20:02, Jim Fulton wrote: Rocky Burt wrote: Perhaps the backend should be switched from bdb to fsfs (native subversion backend type) ? I know it does away with a lot of these, issues. Yup, when someone has time to do it. AFAIK, it will involve dumping the repository and

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 19 Dec 2005, at 21:27, Jim Fulton wrote: IMHO the process is straightforward and easy (except for the time it will take), That fact alone adds complication, as that down time needs to be scheduled. OK, well, the only complication is setting a date really. Someone decides and

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 19 Dec 2005, at 21:37, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: BTW, thanks for volunteering for this! It will be great not to fool with the Berkeley DB anymore. :) Umh, more like force-volunteered now ;) Which is fine, but in return I'd like someone else (maybe you?) to herd the cats and come up

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 19 Dec 2005, at 21:44, Jim Fulton wrote: Umh, more like force-volunteered now ;) Which is fine, but in return I'd like someone else (maybe you?) to herd the cats and come up with a time frame where this can be done, and communicating it. I'll do everything on the technical side.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:08, Tim Peters wrote: [Jim] ... The whole repository is only about 800 megs. There are over 8 gigs free. Are the dump file or the file-based repo much larger in size the the Berkeley database? FYI, if you don't want to read the code ;-), the book says an FSFS

Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org borked

2005-12-19 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 19 Dec 2005, at 22:38, Sebastien Douche wrote: On 12/19/05, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That %$£@ BerkeleyDB backend was geborken again. svnadmin recover fixed it. Hi Jens! Does Zope server use svn server ? I had many problems with it (with the need to recover it each time

Re: [Zope-dev] optimised python

2005-12-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 18 Dec 2005, at 06:46, Alan Milligan wrote: I'm reconsidering the way we RPM package byte-code compiled python, and although I suspect optimised python is a bit of an anacronysm, I thought I'd check with the list ;) If one was to start Zope with python -O, then it would look for (and

Re: [Zope-dev] zope-2.9 r40780 make install doesn't finish, files missing from bin

2005-12-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 18 Dec 2005, at 09:40, Stefan H. Holek wrote: make install does currently not work on 2.9 branch and trunk. I am told that this is because zpkg cannot do it. I am also told that the tarball would support make install, just not the checkout. I never use tarballs, so I don't know for

Re: [Zope-dev] Logging changes in ZEO break zeoup.py

2005-12-10 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 8 Dec 2005, at 22:57, Tim Peters wrote: Can anyone advise me how to make this work under Zope 2.8.4? I expect zeoup.py needs to be changed. I did a similar thing for runzeo.py some time ago, and I bet the latter's setup_default_logging() method could be mostly reused. Just checked in a

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: Please vote about conflict errors logging

2005-12-09 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 9 Dec 2005, at 14:45, Florent Guillaume wrote: So I propose another little change: have the error_log copy to event.log be the default behaviour. Today the default is off. +1 jens ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

[Zope-dev] Logging changes in ZEO break zeoup.py

2005-12-08 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
Hi all, In Zope 2.7 I'm using zeoup.py to check on a ZEO server. This script can be run from anywhere as long as the PYTHONPATH is set correctly. For Zope 2.8.4, the ZEO logging has been switched to use the logging module. This leads to an error when running zeoup.py now: CRITICAL -

Re: [Zope-dev] Logging changes in ZEO break zeoup.py

2005-12-08 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 8 Dec 2005, at 22:57, Tim Peters wrote: To get unstuck quickly, try adding just this: import logging logging.basicConfig() That always helps me in a pinch, but I never understood why (neither why logging insists that you call _something_ before it will stop annoying you, nor why

Re: [Zope-dev] AcceleratedHTTPCache and virtual hosting (collector 1447)

2005-12-03 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 3 Dec 2005, at 15:57, Paul Winkler wrote: One thought that occurs to me is to replace httplib.HTTPConnection with a mock object of some sort that allows easy verification of its input. So we assume that httplib works, as a proper unit test should I think. How to do this? One idea is to

Re: [Zope-dev] Logging of ConflictError

2005-12-02 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 2 Dec 2005, at 14:16, Chris Withers wrote: Please no. Don't put anything at INFO. A conflict error is either something normal that should be at level BLATHER or below, or an ERROR that a sysadmin wants to see logged as such. Not so. If I'm getting 1,000 resolved conflict errors a day,

Re: [Zope-dev] Please vote about conflict errors logging

2005-12-02 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
1. Do you want these ConflictErrors retried logs to be at level: INFO 2. In addition, please specify if you feel those retried ConflictErrors should have their full traceback logged? no traceback 3. Finally, please tell us if the ConflictErrors that *can't* be retried (and are

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: DateTime mess

2005-11-30 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 30 Nov 2005, at 08:20, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 11/30/05, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 on a dedicated migration step. Might even be a chance for some other cleanups. So the process would be something like: 1. Make a FrankenDateTime that uses the pickles of the DateTime

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: DateTime mess

2005-11-29 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 29 Nov 2005, at 15:47, Tres Seaver wrote: Yes, and for a perfect example of why (not related to DateTime, just to fix-in-place in general) prosecution calls zope.org. Pros: Is it true that you harbor pickles from software which pre-dates the original public release of the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: DateTime mess

2005-11-29 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 29 Nov 2005, at 16:46, Andreas Jung wrote: --On 29. November 2005 17:36:51 +0100 Lennart Regebro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question that then pops up is: Do we want to force people to do a migration to upgrade between say Zope 2.9 and Zope 2.10, just to replace all the DateTime

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: removing test.py from path

2005-11-28 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 28 Nov 2005, at 13:35, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tarek Ziadé wrote: Tarek Ziadé wrote: Hello, Benji recently changed test.py in Z3 in order to avoid collision name with the standard python 'test' module. I bumped into the same problem running

[Zope-dev] Re: Weird test failures with DateTime

2005-11-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 27 Nov 2005, at 15:49, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: The real difference now is that I used to be able to create an empty directory from which to run configure and make, but now it only works when you sit inside the full source tree... So in order to do my usual pristine source tree

Re: [Zope-dev] Weird test failures with DateTime

2005-11-26 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 26 Nov 2005, at 11:43, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Hi, I've recently been seeing weird DateTime test failures on all Zope 2 branches since 2.7 (see below). Any idea what I'm doing wrong? My system is OSX 10.3 with a self-compiled Python 2.4.1 (through darwinports). My system

[Zope-dev] Re: Weird test failures with DateTime

2005-11-26 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 26 Nov 2005, at 15:07, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: However, I am noticing that on the current Zope 2.9 branch, trying to build the software fails completely. The configure script works fine, but the make step does not seem to do anything at all. Yes it does. It compiles the C

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-24 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:54, Florent Guillaume wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Thursday 24 November 2005 00:41, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: At least no one is expecting to make such big changes by yourself. Being stubborn and refusing to do further contributions, be they large or

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Reunite Zope 2 and Zope 3 in the source code repository

2005-11-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 24 Nov 2005, at 00:09, Stephan Richter wrote: On Wednesday 23 November 2005 18:49, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: People keep telling Zope2 developers that the inclusion of Zope3 doesn't mean you have to touch it, if you don't use it it is just inert code that won't cause any change in your Zope2

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: UI improvements

2005-11-20 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 18 Nov 2005, at 23:19, Alexander Limi wrote: On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:56:32 -0800, Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] jung.com wrote: In general such changes should be made on the HEAD (for next 2.10 release). OK. I was aiming for a quick sprint to get some small changes into 2.9 before

Re: [Zope-dev] UI improvements

2005-11-18 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 18 Nov 2005, at 09:27, Alexander Limi wrote: I'd like to investigate the possibility of doing some UI improvements to the Zope Management Interface. Is there someone that is considered the godfather of the current Zope user interface that I should coordinate with? I don't think there

Re: Get rid of configure/make? (was Re: [Zope-dev] Re: SVN: Zope/trunk/ Merge philikon-zope32-integration branch. Basically, this branch entails:)

2005-11-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 6 Nov 2005, at 03:41, Chris McDonough wrote: configure also allows you to install multiple times from a pristine source directory without changing the source directory, which I (and others, because they've told me they do) make use of. I use that a lot myself. -1 for removing it from me

Re: [Zope-dev] File uploading with Zope

2005-11-04 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 4 Nov 2005, at 02:42, Thanh Hải, Hà wrote: 2005/11/3, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No it is not. And doing that opens up security risks. You need to write a Python product or external method. jens Is there an example of how to implement it in external method or python product

Re: [Zope-dev] File uploading with Zope

2005-11-03 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
On 3 Nov 2005, at 10:41, Thanh Hải, Hà wrote: Hello, Does anyone know to manipulate files within a local filesystem instead of ZODB? Is it possible to do that through a python script or dtml method? Thanks. No it is not. And doing that opens up security risks. You need to write a

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